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         <<< Note 548.0 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>
                           -< The Winter of '95/'96 >-

>Did I hear right? 5 inches of snow in Denver last night/this morning?

	We have about a half an inch on the ground in our part of the
	Springs.

>Didn't we just get done with that crap?

	As I recall, the last snow around here was in late May.

	Oh well, two weeks ago we were running the air conditioning around
	the clock, now it's the furnace.

	On average, we have a pretty nice climate. ;-)

Jim

    Casper, WY also got snowed upon.
    
    The Colo. snow was enough to hold up Slick and Algore's AF-1 and
    AF-2 flights for a few hours last night.  They'll probably blame it
    on those evil, mean-spirited republicans...

    
    call me crazy, or wacky, etc... but, aren't the winter of 95-96,
    the christmas 95 topics just a wee bit early??? I am waiting with
    bated breath for the thanksgiving 95 topic to appear next, to be
    followed by no doubt; the Halloween 95 topic.

    -1 okay, you're crazy or wacky, etc. 
    
       please choose... :-)

    
    
    Up in Woodland Park ( thats in Colorado ) we had 2 inches on the cars
    this morning, I sure as sh*t ain't ready for this, I still have too
    much fish'n to do...
    
    
    Dave

    I don't know this for a fact, but someone told me that this years
    "Farmer's Almanac" predicts the worst winter on record for the good ole
    U.S. of A.
    
    About one inch of snow at my house this morning. I want the heat back.
    The forcast for tomorrow is mostly sunny and highs approaching 70.

    The Almanic calls for a warmer than normal winter here in N.J. I think
    it depends on the region you live in.

    
    	yeah, well the Farmer's Almanac predicted we were going to
    	get pummeled with snow last year here in New England and
    	we only had two snowstorms and not much in between.
    
    	Which was fine by me!  =)
    

    
    Then you better look out this winter Judy....
    
    The Farmer's Almanac predicts a mild winter for this region and below
    normal snowfall...
    
    :)
    

    Momma nature has its way of ballancing out. This year its been dry.
    Year before more snow then imagined. I think its going to be a long
    tuff winter... But, then again, we were told that last year.:)
    
    

    .10
    If you say it year after year it will happen...the odds become more in
    your favor as time goes by. Sooner or later you`ll have the bad
    winter...again.

    
    Based on livin' in Texas 35 years...the same weather conditions
    happened this year as in 1980...which was our last REALLY cold 
    winter.
    
    It's snowing in West TEXAS as we speak.
    
    Guess I'll dig out the winter clothing...

    re: .12
    
    What?  Wasn't 1980 the year where we had the record string of 100+
    days?  Didn't happen this year?
    
    Bob

    
    Bob,
    
    I think 83 was the hot year.  80 was the year of the New Year's Day 
    icestorm, which basically shut down Dallas for about 3-4 days.  I
    remember because 1) I got stuck at my girlfriend's house with her
    parents for 3 days, and 2) we had no electricity.  Warmth was
    provided by a fireplace.
    
    Maybe '80 had the hot days, but I'm sure on the winter. It was
    pretty bad...
    
    BBaarrrryy
    

>    The Colo. snow was enough to hold up Slick and Algore's AF-1 and
>    AF-2 flights for a few hours last night. 

Sounds like Winter's getting off to a good start.

Well, it was darn near sweltering when I walked out of the Pennsy Conv
Center to head to the station.  Must have gone up ten degrees in the two
hours from lunch until now.

/john

RE: 548.0 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)"

Not that unusual in Denver.  I grew up near there.  I went for a bike ride
in 80 degree weather on the day after Labor day without checking the weather 
forecast and rode home in a foot of snow.


Phil

    re: .14
    
    Let's confuse things a little more...the winter of '83-'84 was the
    winter we set the record for most consecutive days with highs below
    freezing.  I put up Christmas lights one weekend wearing shorts and
    drinking iced tea.  The next week, the temperature took a dive.
    
    Bob

    
    Bob,
    
    YOU LIE ! WHY DO YOU LIE ?
    
    Just kidding, of course.
    
    ;^)

    .11
    
    Welp.... lets say that the odds are in favor of 'allota snow'.:)
    

        I've got a brand-new 10-horse Simplicity
        You've got a brand-new Sears ...

        Let it snow!
                
          

     <<< Note 548.1 by SEAPIG::PERCIVAL "I'm the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-RO" >>>

>	As I recall, the last snow around here was in late May.
    
    	This was true for Colorado Springs, though Leadville got
    	snow on the 4th of July!  So did Pikes Peak.  (Remember 
    	how cold it got here that weekend?)

    >This was true for Colorado Springs, though Leadville got
    >snow on the 4th of July!  So did Pikes Peak.  (Remember
    >how cold it got here that weekend?
    
    I was in Breckenridge on that 4th. They had a parade that morning. 
    Everyone attending was covered in white. 

Winter!?  heeheehee

Spring has sprung!  The wisteria has been in bloom for weeks, the jacaranda 
are about to flower, and the sound of lawn mowers is in the air....

\C

    Shaddup
    
    some of us are going on salvage missions to our gardens tonight.  The
    real agravation is the temps will be back up in the 50's this weekend.
    
    :-(
    
    meg

Did I forget to mention that my plum tree has almost finished blossoming?  The 
stone-fruit season is almost upon us (well, it will be in November) peaches, 
cherries, aprictots, plums, nectarines and then *mangoes*. *YES*!

\C

    
    Enjoy yourself
    
    
    :-p
    

           <<< Note 548.23 by CSC32::J_OPPELT "Wanna see my scar?" >>>

    
>    	This was true for Colorado Springs, though Leadville got
>    	snow on the 4th of July!  So did Pikes Peak.  (Remember 
>    	how cold it got here that weekend?)

	Yep. Furnace ran that weekend too.

Jim

                 <<< Note 548.25 by GIDDAY::BURT "DPD (tm)" >>>

	I hope a kangaroo jumps into your shorts and does something
	unpleasant there.

	`;-)

Jim

>    some of us are going on salvage missions to our gardens tonight


Does that mean you made it safely through last night, Meg?

Jim,

Kangaroos aren't actually all that common within suburban Sydney.  Sorry to 
disappoint :^)

One unfortunate thing about the warmer weather is that the various nasty 
8legged hinters start making themselves more of a nuisance.  I'm glad we don't 
have a pool - funnel webs seem to be able to swim, and are quite happy poking 
around in the filters etc.  

\C

                 <<< Note 548.32 by GIDDAY::BURT "DPD (tm)" >>>


>Kangaroos aren't actually all that common within suburban Sydney.  Sorry to 
>disappoint :^)

	Gee, and all this time I thought all you Aussies lived in the
	bush. Except for the folks that live in that funny shaped building
	that you claim is used by the symphony.

	;-)

	But if it has to be spiders, well so be it. ;-)


Jim

> Kangaroos aren't actually all that common within suburban Sydney.  Sorry to 
> disappoint :^)
    
    There was one in my back yard the other day, he was eating an icecream,
    I thought "cheeky bugger" so I shot him. If they ain't that common, I 
    guess it musta been a kid dressed up as one... oh well.

    	re .32
    
    	Don't know how Meg fared, but I covered my tomatoes Wednesday
    	night, and even then some of the leaves were frost bitten.
    	Tonight the temps are supposed to hit 24 degrees.  My past
    	experience has been that no amount of covering will protect
    	from that.
    
    	I pulled up all my plants and hung them by the roots in the
    	garage.  They'll still ripen that way, but it gets messy
    	after a few weeks as the leaves crumble and drop.

>    	Tonight the temps are supposed to hit 24 degrees.

My condolences, Joe. I hope it's AT LEAST two months or more before
we start seeing any of that stuff.

    .25
    
    Hope a pack o' 'roos decides to make your backyard into a catbox.
    
    ;^P

Can I help it if you people are on the wrong bit of planet?  :^)


Actually, 'roo doo isn't that bad, a bit bigger than guinea pig guano, but 
relatively inoffensive.  I wonder if a backyard with a 'roo would actually 
discourage the fool cat next door coming over?



\C

    Around these parts, I have used cat poo from the cat box to unstick a
    slick wheel on ice. Makes a hellofamess out of the car, me, and the
    driveway. But, in its solid form, it helps, its bio... somewhat...:)
    But, at the moment I would rather see a back yard full of roo doo than
    snow.:)
    
    Insofar as pitting two differnt snowblowers against each other...:)I
    got a man killer of a blower, eats rocks, lost news papers in the snow,
    sticks, and has eaten a plastic baby doll or two dropped by some
    neighborhood kid(s). There is a heinous act of winter! Grounded up
    plastic baby dolls!
    

    
    wouldn't it just be easier (and neater) to use the kitty litter, and
    leave the rest in the box???
    
    

    
    
    I think I just eliminated my winter commute....
    

    .40 When ever you get cought on ice, in the driveway, it never fails
    that one seems to forget where the unused stuff is or you have not gone
    shopping for some unused stuff.... sooo.... we get rather crude, but we
    get to work.:)

 why not keep a bag in the trunk?

    Frost warning tonight for the greater Cincinnati area...

    Ohh the weather outside is frightful,
    inside its soo delightful,;) 
    When ever I think of snow,
    kitty-poo! kitty-poo! kitty-poo!:)
    

    re. .43
    
    that's what i do...and then some lucky cat owner gets a free bag of
    kittylitter come spring... :>
    
    

 Brilliant!

    
    
    	And the lucky cat owner thanks you very much!  =)
    

    Haven't been out to the garden today, yet, but rumor from a freind is
    we may not have gotten hit as hard as fared.  Maybe the walls o water
    and the frost blanket will have worked.  I will find out tomorrow. 
    Tonight I have to get stuff for Carries b-day party tomorrow. 
    Hopefully it will be warm enough that I can take the little rats up to
    a park, instead of having them in the house.
    
    First wood delivery is today.
    
    meg

    Going to take the rats to the rat park? Not the dog or fish or cat
    park?:)
    

    The two legged rats.  I really love 8, 9, and 10 year-olds, especially
    in herds......
    
    that's why I have been a GS leader.  However, my house is small and has
    been in an ongoing remodeling phase for a few years.  It really doesn't
    handle 10+ active kids well.
    
    meg

Overnight low in Mont Vernon, NH -

	32.5 degrees F.

    
    
    My upstairs heat kicked on this morning! :( (It was set all the way
    down to 50 degrees!)
    
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    
    I try to be very conservative where our natural resources are concerned,
    so I have the thermostat set to go all the way down to 70 at night...
    after all, we all have to do our part.....

    yes, although the winter (particularly Late Dec) is going to be good
    one, the unfortunate thing is, that as from the 16th Dec it's going
    to be a very cold one !!! Bloody Equator holidays, returning to Blighty
    in mid winter........ :*) 

    
    F-f-f-frosty one this morning, and there was snow on the ground in
    downtown TO, for the first time this season.  
    
    Bring your winter toys, Jack!
    

    
    Does this mean the backless dress for the ball isn't a good idea?
    
    

    
    Youze Canadjins keep sending us cold air. Look, we'll take
    the beer and the weird TV shows, but KEEP the cold frigging
    air, OK ?!?!?!
    
    -b

    
    Oh, it's a good idea alright.  But bring along a fancy warm coat, too!
    

    Lit a fire in the living room fireplace last night for the first time
    this season.  Right pleasant it was, I must say.

    
    
     That's it Dick???
    
    No slippers??
    
    No warm glass of '63 Escargot???

    Fire is good.  Fire is our friend.
    

    .62
    
    Well, truth be told, Andy, yes, there were slippers.  No '63 Escargot,
    however; my choice was Taylor Fladgate Late Vintage port.

    
    
     Good choice!!! Hmmm... sounds like a plan for tonight.... :)
    

    
    	And if you ask really nice, Andy, maybe Dick will cook you dinner
    	also.
    

    Not tonight, Shawn.  I've got a hot dinner date for tonight.

    It's 60F here in Cincinnati.  Of course the wind is gusting at 20-30 to
    bring in more cold air by tonight.
    
    16F yesterday morning,
    46F this morning,
    19F tomorrow morning (if I remember correctly)
    
    I wish it would make up its mind, really I do (hopefully to the mild
    side).

winter snarf!

    
    SNOW!  And lots of it!  Wet snow, sticking to the bare branches, making
    Toronto look like a Courier & Ives X-mas card.
    

    ... and making me work from home today.
    
    What a mess. 8^p

    
    Looks like you've got some bagging ahead of you today!
    

    
    I hope you have some bags left over from last year.  They'll probably
    cost a fortune right now if you can find any.
    
    

    I lucked into a pile of snow bags at a garage sale, so I'm all set.
    
    It's starting to snow again, mixed with ice pellets.

Currier.  HTH.

    
    Oh, it does, believe me.
    

That snow had best be all gone by next Friday or all bets are off.

    
    Ho ho ho!
    

    
    >Currier.  HTH.
    
    
    Hey, you never know - there could be a delivery company in Toronto
    named "Courier & Ives".  And they could send out X-mas cards.
    
    Rather clever, if you ask me 8^).  Maybe I should (tm) that right now.
    
    

No, the Canadian company is Helvetica & Hives.

/john

    What are snow bags????
    
    Bob

They're sorta like air shredders.

    We have to put them on our snow blowers.

    For curbside collection of snow collected from the driveway/yard.  The
    winter version of leaf bags. 

    I compost my snow.

    
    	Snow collection??
    
    	This has to be a joke.
    

    
    Hey, *we* recycle up here!
    

    No joke son.  In my town, it is against the law to let your snow lie
    around with impunity.  

	Is it ok for snow to loiter in a no loitering zone? If not, do they
issue the snow a warning, a ticket, or arrest it?

    I suppose in the U.S. you just shoot it, and ask questions afterwards.
    
    -Stephen

    
    	Or trip over it and sue the bag off of it.
    

    
    
    	Bagging up snow.......  now I've heard everything.
    

    It's the only way to maintain a uniform blanket of snow in Canadian
    municipalities.

    
    .92
    
    How does your municipality remove the snow for recycling if it's
    not in bags?
    

	bins I would imagine...

    It is okay to put it into a sno parking zone.  

Snow bags?  Do you have a Snow truck that comes around to collect them once a 
week?  
"Darling, don't forget to put the snow out".

How bemusing?

\C

    Sure rub it in Chele. 8^/

Do you get a bunch of guys hanging around the snow tip to see if anyone's left 
any "good" bits out?

\C

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    Not odd at all really.  If we did not have it removed as needed,
    emergency vehicles and such cannot get through, the postal delivery
    worker (aka mailman/woman) could not deliver the mail etc.  it is an
    essential part of northern life here really.  They haul the snow away
    to and mound it up where they turn it into a seasonal theme park. 
    Sledding, snow skiing, snowman contests etc.  All great fun really. 
    The bagging part is a bit much I agree but that's "your government at
    work".  

What do you do if you run out of snow bags?  Is there a substitute?


\C

    
    
    You can always use Hooters T-shirts...
    

    Gee, I wish we could have your weather here in Colorado. It got to 70
    degrees here today, what a drag. And all this sun!!  :)

Actually, it's a gorgeous sunny day and it looks like a lot of the
snow has melted.  I think that snow bag thingy is only in the realm of
Ottawa where the temperatures have been known to make one's nose break
off one's face.  Here in Toronto we shovel the stuff like normal folks
and build up the mounds on the edge of the driveway.  Those piles
used to make excellent forts to hide in and wait to ambush some
unsuspecting person walking down the sidewalk with a barrage of
snowballs!  =:-O

> it looks like a lot of the snow has melted

Could you please define "a lot" in the above context?

    
    Say, about 90% of the ground is visible.
    

[whew]

Glad to hear that.

    I would be more concerned with the invisible ground.

    SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
    
    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
    
    1030 AM EST FRI DEC 8 1995
    
    
    
    ...A SLOW MOVING SUMMER HIGH TAKING SHAPE FOR SATURDAY...
    
    
    
    MUCH OF INTERIOR CONNECTICUT...INTERIOR MASSACHUSETTS...NORTHWEST
    
    RHODE ISLAND AND INTERIOR NEW HAMPSHIRE CAN EXPECT A BEAUTIFUL DAY
    
    AND A VERY NICE SATURDAY. 
    
    
    
    A HIGH IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN NORTHERN CONNECTICUT AND WESTERN
    
    MASSACHUSETTS SHORTLY AFTER DAYBREAK SATURDAY...AND SPREAD ACROSS
    
    ALL OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND BY AFTERNOON.  THE BULK OF THE
    
    NICE WEATHER  IS EXPECTED BETWEEN 9 AM AND 9 PM.  THERE SHOULD BE
    
    ENOUGH SUN TO BASK IN FROM HARTFORD AND WORCESTER NORTHWEST INTO
    
    NEW HAMPSHIRE AND THE BERKSHIRES.
    
    
    
    DEVELOPING EAST WINDS WILL BRING ENOUGH RELATIVELY WARM MARITIME AIR
    
    INTO SOUTHEAST MASSACHUSETTS AND SOUTHERN RHODE ISLAND TO ENCOURAGE 
    
    A LARGE AMOUNT OF SUNSHINE. HOWEVER...EXISTING CLOUDS MAY TAKE
    
    LONGER TO SCOUR OUT OF NORTHERN RHODE ISLAND AS WELL AS CENTRAL
    
    MASSACHUSETTS AND NORTHERN CONNECTICUT.  THIS WILL LIKELY CAUSE SUN
    
    TO MIX WITH ... AND CHANGE TO PARTLY SUNNY AND BREEZY DURING THE
    
    AFTERNOON.  IN THE FARTHER REACHES OF NORTHERN AND WESTERN
    
    MASSACHUSETTS AS WELL AS SOUTHERN NEW HAMPSHIRE...SIGNIFICANT SUNSHINE
    
    MAY BE FOLLOWED BY A BRIEF PERIODS OF GOOD MOODS AND GENERAL PARTYING
    
    LATE IN THE DAY.  ALL SUNSHINE SHOULD MOVE WESTWARD  AND OUT OF
    
    NEW ENGLAND BY EARLY SATURDAY EVENING.
    
    
    
    A GENTLE BREEZE AND LIGHT SOUTHEAST WIND IS POSSIBLE ALONG THE COAST
    
    SATURDAY AFTERNOON.  THIS MAY CAUSE A 1 OR 2 FOOT SURGE AT THE TIME
    
    OF HIGH TIDE...BUT MAJOR SURFING  IS EXPECTED SINCE ASTRONOMICAL
    
    TIDES ARE UNUSUALLY HIGH. 
    
    
    
    THE SUNHINE IN QUESTION IS OF A COMPLEX NATURE...AND THERE STILL
    
    REMAINS SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO THE TIMING AND INTENSITY. 
    
    HOWEVER...IT IS LIKELY THAT A WINTER STORM WATCH WILL NOT BE ISSUED
    
    FOR A LARGE PART OF THE WINTER SEASON. 
    

    
    HOLIDAY SHOPPERS AND TRAVELERS FROM INTERIOR SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND
    
    INTO NEW YORK STATE AND NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND SHOULD PLAN FOR DELAYS
    
    SATURDAY AFTERNOON AS THE GENERAL MOOD OF THE AREA WILL BE LAID BACK.
    
    
    
    THE WARMEST WEATHER OF THE SEASON SO FAR...WILL FOLLOW ON A TROPICAL
    
    BALMY SOUTHWEST WIND SUNDAY. 
    

 ;-)

    
    ACK!  More snow is falling, bunches forecast for tonight!
    

    mr. richardson will _not_ be pleased.

    
    sure he will...he's not there...but then, once he sees the forcast for
    this area, _then_ he won't be pleased... :>
    

Tell Glenn to pick up some extra snow bags down in the States - I heard
they were cheaper down there.

>                -< Not looking forward to the commute home :-( >-

That bad, eh, Chris?

This is when that personal train of !Joan's comes in handy. He took me for
a few rides on it while I was there. I thought it very generous that he allows
other Torontonians to use it, as well.

    It was 80 degrees here yesterday.
    
    Bob

    
    TRO is like a ghost facility today...lotsa people either late or not
    showing up at all due to the snow and freezing rain.
    

    It's 56 F here today.  Yippie.

    re: .112
    
    I hate it when snow falls in bunches.  It's much easier to
    manage when it falls in flakes.... :-)
    

    I'm working from home today - went out at 7:30, shovelled for 1/2 hour
    (which just got rid of the stuff on the sidewalk), came in and had a
    shower, got dressed and all the while, the radio jocks are going on and
    on about all the accidents, roads closures etc etc and I said the hell
    with it - I couldn't face what would probably be a 2-2.5 hour drive
    there and another one back.  Went back out and shovelled for two hours
    (got about 70% of the driveway done).  This snow is VERY heavy - full
    of water, and now a freezing rain has started -(8*/ and... the plow
    just came by and dropped another load at the bottom of my driveway...
    grumble grumble grumble

You shovelled for 1/2 hour and then you got dressed?!  Wasn't it cold,
shovelling naked?

    I'm Canadian - we *like* to shovel that way  =8*o

I got as far as the Drum Hill Rotary and turned around.

It's nasty out there, and the accumulation forecasts are being increased
from 3-4 to 5-6 inches as the storm intensifies and stalls.

/john

    
from 3-4 to 5-6 inches
    
    Was that a Male forecaster or a Female?

        Now upgraded to a Winter Storm Warning (from WS Watch) with news
        of many spinouts and accidents on 128 and 93, with heavy snow on
        its way this afternoon - 6-9" forecast from Boston through
        Concord, NH and the possibility of freezing drizzle tonight.
         

We seem to have had our share of snow already.  It snowed at the start of last 
week, then it took about another week to melt, but now it's just cold and 
miserable.

Chris.

    
    I think I'll just spend a few hours in Amory's until all the nuts are
    off the roads.
    
    

    re: .121
    
    Welcome to the joys of home ownership:-)
    
    Bob

    I'm already worried about how I'm going to handle it when one of my
    hands goes out of commission in a couple of weeks.
    
    BTW - As a landlord, do you think I'm responsible for keeping my
    tenants portion of the driveway shovelled?  I've done it so far, but I
    don't want her to get used to it if it's not required.  

    
    >As a landlord, do you think I'm responsible for keeping my
    >tenants portion of the driveway shovelled?
    
    In the absence of a prior agreement otherwise, probably yes.
    
    Look at it this way: if your tenant is injured while shovelling,
    will you be liable?
    

    
    Actually, if it's not mentioned in the lease, you could talk to her 
    about it and volunteer to shovel her half up until you have surgery if
    she'll shovel your half while you're recovering.
    
    
    

    I think I'll just spend a few hours in Amory's until all the nuts are
    off the roads.

    > I think I'll just spend a few hours in Amory's until all the nuts are
    > off the roads.
    
    Welcome to Massachusetts and the Twighlight Zone my friend, where
    you will spend the rest of eternity at Amory's...
    
    -b

    
    .133
    
    Is there an echo in here?
    
    

    Hotel Maynardfornia?

>    I think I'll just spend a few hours in Amory's until all the nuts are
>    off the roads.
    
I wouldn't worry about it unless you should happen to find yourself on the 
A120 between Bishop's Stortford and Colchester between 9am and 5pm GMT 
tomorrow...

Chris.

    Is that GMT standard or daylight savings?

>    Is that GMT standard or daylight savings?

standard; daylight savings (BST) went so long ago I can't remember if I was 
irate about having to get up earlier or thankful for the lie-in.

Chris.

    So, you keep the same clocks all year 'round then?

No, that's not what he means.

And noone uses GMT anymore; there isn't even any timekeeping done in
Greenwich now.  The correct name for the time zone is "Western European
Time" (when it's the same as "Coordinated UNiversal Time") or "Western
European Summer Time" when it isn't.

/john

    
    >(when it's the same as "Coordinated UNiversal Time")
    
    	TTWA:
    
    	Did John capitalize the "U" and the "N" on purpose?  And why
    	didn't he choose to save some keystrokes by abbreviating it?
    

Well, it's abbreviated UTC.

/john

>And noone uses GMT anymore; there isn't even any timekeeping done in

we do, noone's told *me* otherwise, anyway... BST in summer and GMT in winter.

Chris.

	I went 90 down the Pike.... at least it seemed that way considering I
spent 15 miles going 10-15 down rt 20. :-)

 I had the day off today, and was out shopping most of the day..got back
 on the road about 1PM from Salem NH-Derry on 93.  A few spinouts and
 when I got on the side streets I did a little spinning..decided it was
 time for new tires as the ones on the car had ~60k miles on them.  All
 told I spent most of the day in the mall :-/

 I feel bad for my ex wife..she's stuck in her driveway..



 Jim


 PS..I should rephrase that to say that her car is stuck in the drive way.



 Jim

    Whew!  We may have had to have showered you with witicisms if you
    hadn't made that correction.

    Forcast said the law last night was 40.  This morning, they said it was
    40.  So, why the heck did I have to scrape frost from my windshield
    this morning?  Did the laws of physics change on me over night?  Argh.
    
    [the most hated thing about winter, for me, is the constant ice
    scraping; which makes one have to brave the cold for that much longer
    in the AM hours]

    
    	Steve:
    
    	Start car, turn front defroster on full blast, turn rear defroster
    	on.  Go back inside and smoke and drink coffee for 10-15 minutes.
    

	For some reason, my defroster would not blow a good amount of air to my
windshield when I started out for home yesterday. I was not happy. I kept
switching to the other parts, to see if they would work. They worked just fine.
For some reason, about � way home, it kicked in full blast. 

	Today it was absolutely fine. 



Glen

>        Start car, turn front defroster on full blast, turn rear defroster
>    	on.  Go back inside and smoke and drink coffee for 10-15 minutes.
 
    Well, I might drink some coffee, but I won't smoke it.   

RE: 548.148 by ACISS2::LEECH "Dia do bheatha."

> Forcast said the law last night was 40.  This morning, they said it was
> 40.  So, why the heck did I have to scrape frost from my windshield this 
> morning?

Your car wasn't parked at the airport,  or where ever the official weather 
station is.  Correct?

The low temperature can vary a lot over small distances especially if there
is no wind,  low humidity and clear skies.  What was the wind,  the dew
point and the cloud cover?

Finally,  the physics of radiation predict that a solid surface such as a
car that look like "black bodies" at the temperature of interest will radiate 
heat faster than optically thick gases which are not "black bodies" at the 
temperature of interest because of absorption lines.  This can mean that
frost is possible with the air temperature as much as several degrees above
freezing,  again with no wind.


Phil

    Actually, it was a rhetorical question.  8^)

    
    	There is no such thing as a rhetorical question in SOAPBOX.
    
    	Or is there??
    

    Yes, there is.

    Air Traffic Control still uses GMT.

    Digital UNIX� uses UTC but references offset times in terms of seconds
    east or west of Greenwich.

>    Air Traffic Control still uses GMT.

It's my understanding they use UTC also known as Zulu.

/john

    lessee, John, you speaking _ex_cathedra_ or merely _ex_officio_?
    
    DougO

Ex-crementio, I believe.

    <-  loud laughter

    My brother is an IFR Air Traffic Controller and according to him, they
    use GMT, at least here in Canada, FWIW.

You forgot "lmnop"

KFC

    
    Nope, it's "ijkmno", isn't it?
    
    								-mr. bill

    {thud}

    
    Only this time of year.
    
    

    
    In the microclimate of Lake Quinsigamond and the surrounding hills,
    we have received 3.75 inches of snow from this storm, as of
    11:30PM. And unlike other similar tools in the hands of the human
    male species, my Stanley tape measure never lies.
    
    -b

    You gots the standard-issue metric tape measure that you use in the
    bedroom (and claim is in inches)??
    
    :-)
    

    
    No, I prefer a yard-stick... :-)
    
    -b

My meter stick claims that 2.5 in/6.5 cm of the white stuff has fallen
so far down here in Acton.

Looks like a fizzle so far.

National Weather Service sez (11:20 pm):

    although the storm does not appear to be quite as potent as

previously thought...between 8 and 15 inches of snow is still

expected across a large part of massachusetts...northern connecticut

and northern rhode island by late wednesday.  six to 12 inches of

snow is anticipated for cheshire and hillsboro counties in southern

new hampshire.

    ...so much for Binder's Storm of the Decade...

Pretty wimpy so far in Mont Vernon. 10 cm over the course of 11.5 hours.

    
    .172,
    
    Heh heh heh...soon we will have you measuring the temperature
    in Celcius!
    

As far as I can tell, DEC Hudson opens at noon, and all other DEC offices
are open now.

/john

    
    this facility is open...
    
    

 This one is open.  I got up this morning expecting to have to dig my 
car out.  I came out, brushed the snow off in less than 3 minutes, got
in the car and off I went.  Took less time than usual to get here, and
I was doing 60-65 down 93 South.  

Walking through the parking lot was far more treacherous than the roads.



Jim

    
    I had about 10" of snow at my place.  It was weird, going home last
    night.  The snow wasn't bad around 128, but when I got off and headed
    east, it was almost white-out conditions.  
    

    Sounds like the coast got more than areas in-land. 

    
    The little map on the television this morning showed 12-18" right along
    the coast and 6-10" West of Boston and on the Cape.
    

    Can you get me a copy?

    
    There's room on my couch if you want to come sit and watch it yourself.
    

    'kay.

LKG is still pretty much deserted.  I wonder in the cafe is even open...

 Make no bones about it, there's only a skeleton crew here today.




 Jim

It's good tibia loyal sort and show up, though, isn't it, Jim?

 Loyal my foot!

He cannot tell a fibula. If a femur people had not shown up, Jim would 
be on his way home!

Jim would have given an arm and a leg to be there today under _any_
circumstances - I can tell.

    This string is not as humurus as the x-mas tree one..

    
    I wonder what I'd have done if I'd metacarpal ling a snowboarder down
    Route 2.
    
    

Well, ulna t rest till it improves.

    
    >>LKG is still pretty much deserted.  I wonder in the cafe is even open...
                    			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	
    is that why they call you the 'code warrior'???
    
    :>
    
    

    It's all down to the weather.  The carpal tunnel was closed and
    there's an accident on the nasal bridge.  Snow's so thick you have to
    crania neck out the side window to see.  In spite of stern, um,
    warnings from the cops people are still driving too fast - make no
    bones about it. 

If it were me, Deb, I'd tell my dad, and have patella cop.

    Pelvis has left the building!

    Get hip folks.  These puns have no spine.  A good pun cuts to the
    marrow of the subject.  The storm must have ham strung your ability 
    to nail these.  

    Ischium getting into his car.

    .197
    
    Your just ribbing us...

			  (__)
                          (oo)
                   /-------\/ 
                  / |     || \ 
                 *  ||W---|| CLINTON! 
                    ~~    ~~  

    

    
    .199
    
    Apostrophe and letter deficiency.
    
    

 snowing rather nicely here in Andover Mass, USA

Argh.

Pam wasn't able to get the car out of the driveway this morning; we had to
try to get it back into the garage at 7:15 so that the plow could plow
the driveway when it arrived; she had someone else pick her up and take
her to work.  Plow arrived at 7:30.

I took the car out at 1:15 to get lunch.  Took about five or six runs at
the hill to get out.

Half an hour ago Pam called to tell me she had fallen flat on her back
in the hospital parking lot and wanted to come home early.  I had just
finished shoveling the walks and taking a shower and went to try to get
the car out.

Another two inches of snow has fallen in the last two hours.  The driveway
is impassable again.  You can't even see my tracks from when I came back
from lunch.  Each attempt to get out just took me closer to the precipice.
Pam's going to have to take a taxi home or something.  It took me twenty
minutes to get the car back into the garage, and I'm dripping with sweat,
and my nasal passages are coated with the smell of burning rubber.

/john

    You guys are so lucky. All this damn sun in Colorado is going to spoil
    Christmas.  :)

    
    	John, what kind of car do you have that this storm is making it
    	impossible for you to get anywhere?  A Corvette?
    
    	And Jim, it's snowing pretty good down here in Marlboro, also.
    

*Your* storm must be making it's way up the east coast.  My brother has
been stuck in Halifax all morning trying to make a flight to Toronto.
They have already cancelled three flights.  The latest is a possible
connection to Montreal and then another long wait for a seat to
Toronto.  I don't get how a plane could make it to Montreal but not
to Toronto when the weather is clear here.

    
    	Maybe they're having trouble with runways OUT of Montreal.
    
    	For example, as of 7:30 or so, Logan only had 1 runway open,
    	and that had just opened up 5 minutes before.  And it was ex-
    	pected to be closed down periodically for maintenance.
    

    
    It's sunny here in Chicago, and 35 to boot.

Yeah, but why would they have to go to Montreal at all?  If the flight
can get out of Halifax, why not just go straight to Toronto without
the stop in Montreal?  These are supposed to be direct flights in the
first place.

    
    	OK, maybe they're having problems landing in Toronto and are
    	creating a stop-over to buy some time.
    
    	[You never said it was a direct flight.]
    

 Still snowing out there.  I wonder what the drive north on 93 is
 going to be like.


 Jim

    
    	MRO appeared to be at 1/2 staff or so, and if you apply that %
    	to the rest of NE then I figure you'll be OK.  The roads were
    	deserted [relatively speaking] on the way in today.
    

The problem isn't the car; it's a front-wheel drive Audi.

The problem is the sheet of ice under the snow and the hill out of my
driveway.

/john

    
    	That explains it.
    
    	I think you need a whole bunch of sand or salt or something
    	like that.
    
    	Or a winch tied to a tree across the street.
    

    > Or a winch tied to a tree across the street.
    
    What does Joan of Arc have to do with it ?

    
    	"Winch", not "wench".
    

{snicker}

    
    	{three musketeer}
    

    For those who may not have any sand or salt on hand, kitty litter
    does great on ice and snow ;-)
    
    Best little car on ice and snow was my '64 Corvair Monza Spider.
    Lived in rather "hilly" section of NE PA; never needed anything
    other than a good set of snow tires in the winter.  I could get
    places with that car than others with chains on their cars couldn't
    begin to try.
    
    

    I had a major kick today, as I worked from home, between two
    floor-to-ceiling picture windows, with my Ultra laptop logged in at
    28.8 kBaud, multiple windows open all day long.  The thing that'll make
    THIS storm stick in my memory is that every hour or so, I'd check up 
    on http://www.intellicast.com/weather/bos/bref1.gif and I could *see*
    the storm coming on.  There was a big lull between the parts of the
    storm, and I could predict, from watching the slow frame-by-frame
    time-lapse moompitcha, just when the flakes would start flying again. 
    Some kids came to the door and offered to shovel us out, but I told 'em
    (a) I have a snowblower, and (b) there was another HUGE buncha snow on
    its way.  I sat back and kept surfing away, secure in the knowledge
    that it would be futile to start in a-cleaning.  Then, towards evening,
    as the snow was still flying, I saw the trailing edge would pass by
    "close enough" to dark and when the turkey/gravy/stuffing/fixin's would
    be done, so I went out & cleared stuff away.  Returned as things calmed
    down outside, enjoyed quite the Thanksgiving II feast.  But the feeling
    of KNOWING what was up there, of somehow feeling MORE IN CONTROL of
    events because of the Web, was a watershed (well OK, a SNOWshed) in my
    experience in the (r)evolution of cyberspace...
    
    |-{:-)
    

>The problem isn't the car; it's a front-wheel drive Audi.

>The problem is the sheet of ice under the snow and the hill out of my
>driveway.


 My ex had this problem Saturday.  she has a 250' driveway that wasn't
 plowed very well, and the 4 wheel drive on her Cherokee conked out and
 she was stuck pretty good.  I dug her out a couple times, got stuck 
 a couple times, and dug her out again.  I talked to her a little while
 ago and she's stuck again (part for the 4WD was due in today but alas,
 didn't make it).



 Jim

    re: Montreal
    
    it's tough getting out of Montreal; just as k the Expos

    ^Best little car on ice and snow was my '64 Corvair Monza Spider.
    
    I had one of those. A brown one with an automatic transmission. The
    shift lever was on the dashboard. It was great in the snow. But I have
    to say that it wasn't as good as my first car, a 1955 VW bug. It didn't
    know he meaning of stuck!

    
    We were released early (3:40) yesterday "because of the weather".  There
    was maybe 1/4" of snow on half of my windscreen.  The roads were clear
    and empty.  My driveway was still clear (I had shoveled at 6am).  This
    morning my car was barely dusted with snow.
    
    What happened to the effing blizzard?
    

    It decided to hang out in Aroostook County, ME and Nover Scotier.  

>  with my Ultra laptop logged in at 28.8 kBaud

Er, Dan'l, don't you have a desktop at home with a more comfortable
display?

The thought of staring at a laptop display for long periods of time
just makes me uncomfortable.

        <<< Note 548.227 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>

>The thought of staring at a laptop display for long periods of time
>just makes me uncomfortable.

	Try the thought of being able to note while stretched out in
	a recliner, or even from the comfort of one's own bed.

Jim

    .227
    
    > The thought of staring at a laptop display for long periods of time
    > just makes me uncomfortable.
    
    Invest in a better laptop.  The top-line PowerBook 5300 machine has a
    10"-diagonal 800x600 active matrix, 32768 colors.

    Well, the PowerBook 5300ce also comes with 32 Mb of RAM and a 1.1-Gb
    disk.  Its 117-MHz PowerPC 603e is faster than the fastest Pentium
    machine available (desktop or laptop).  It has a trackpad, an expansion
    bay that can hold a floppy or a second disk drive or other stuff,
    PCMCIA slots, built-in serial, SCSI, video-out, 16-bit stereo in and
    out, and Ethernet ports.  $6399.

    
    
    Only $6399???
    
    Lemme see... I should have that paltry sum stuck in the back of my
    wallet somewhere....
    
    :) :) :)
    

Well, sometime in the next year or two I've gotta buy one of those or
an Alphabook.  The Alphabook, with 64Mb and a gigadisk, at employee prices,
will hopefully be less than twice that price.

/john

    .233
    
    You can put up to 64 Mb in the 5300-series PowerBooks.  An additional
    32 Mb for the 5300ce will probably cost you about $1600 from the right
    source.

    It was rather amusing watching folks in my parking lot (it was a sheet
    of ice before they plowed it), which is far from level, trying to back
    their cars out (which is an uphill ordeal).  RRRRRRRRRRR  VROOOOOOOM  
    <tires spinning like mad, but the cars going nowhere>.  I go out to my 
    car start it up, and back right up without any problem.
    
    I remember last year, helping one of my neighbors get his El Camino out
    of the parking lot.  Took about 20 minutes, and that's with salt,
    shovel, and a lot of pushing on my part (not to mention a lot of extra
    weight in the back to help with traction).  After getting him going, I
    dust the 6" of snow off my car, start it up, then proceed to mow
    through snow and ice without any problem whatsoever (with nearly bald
    tires, too).  
    
    I may drive a peice of junk, but that under-powered Jetta is best car
    I've ever had for driving in snow- especially since putting a good set
    of tires on it.  It does not know the definition of the work "stuck".
    A small consolation for driving a junker, but you gotta look at the
    bright side of life every now and then.  8^)
    
    
    -steve

| <<< Note 548.234 by SMURF::BINDER "Eis qui nos doment vescimur." >>>


| An additional 32 Mb for the 5300ce will probably cost you about $1600 from the
| right source.

	I only buy from the Left!

> The top-line PowerBook 5300 machine has a 10"-diagonal

That ain't my idea of a good time. My home PC here has a 13" diagonal
and even that borders on being painfully small. The main reason I've
never invested in any laptop is that my vision is so poor that the
screen is unusable for me.

    .237
    
    If it's your vision that's the problem, then that sux.  I use a
    PowerBook 150 (9.5" diagonal 4-level grayscale - white, light gray,
    dark gray, and black).  Since I bought it in June, I've come to depend
    on it.  I bought it not as my main axe but rather for the kinds of
    things one would use a day planner and a note book for - but I also
    find myself doing the kinds of things Jim mentions, such as working in
    the comfort of an easy chair.

    
    you PC eliteists, ha, I'll gladly take my pentium powered 17" monitor
    tower anyday over a laptop.

    .239
    
    Take it on a skiing holiday, will you?

    
    
    >Take it on a skiing holiday, will you?
    
    If I ever... EVER!.. take a PC on a holiday or a vacation, I would
    expect someone... anyone to shoot me at once!!!
    

    Why should a PC get a vaction or holiday?

    .241
    
    Some of us relish the idea of taking the laptop along so we can regale
    the folx back home with all that they're missing.

    So, can you by your Mac a cute little outfit for the beach?
    
    Does your laptop sit at the bar and say "Hey Mac! I've a scotch on the
    rocks!"?

    .244
    
    I don't do beaches.
    
    My laptop can indeed sit at the bar and say, "Hey Mac!  I'll have a
    scotch on the rocks!"  It can say anything I tell it to say.  Of
    course, I'd never tell it to order scotch polluted with added water,
    even if the water is in the solid state.

  i can't picture richard on the beach.  no.  no, the image just won't
  come together.

    
    
    Any licker that ain't clear... ain't worth drinkin'!!!

    senior in high school... '66 Corvair and it was great in the snow.
    the trans-axle went right before graduation. i loved that car.
    
    automatic with the little toggle shifter on the dashboard, no hump
    on the floor, navy blue... i wanna go back!

    
    
    Hump?
    
    What hump??
    

Like all the jolly good fellows
I drink my whiskey clear.

I'm a ramblin' gamblin'
Elephant Engineer!

    
    Oh, I can see dick on the beach.  He probably wears madras trunks.
    
    

    .251
    
    It's a bleedin' fair cop.

    
    HAH!!
    
    8^)
    
    

    .221
    
    Dr. Dan,
    
    Precisely what I am doing sitting at my desk, this very moment.
    
    We're due for 3 inches tonight, which, in Dallas, generally shuts
    down everything, since we have no snowbags here.
    
    Isn't it neat to watch the sat-maps in MPEG?
    
    Barry (the closet weather-junkie)

    
    .251
    AGAGAGAGAGAG

    
    
    
    
    I can see Dick on the beach, with his big straw hat and loud teri shirt
    white socks and sandals.........face and arms covered in white suntan
    lotion.

    
    	... ordering martinis in Latin.
    

   .257   aagagagag!  oh... too funny. ;>

    
    .257
    
    Shawn, that was great!

    For an excellent skewering of Boston's snow-panic-stricken TV "news",
    see the article in today's Boston Herald by Monica Collins.  On the
    same page, she pokes "K-Mart shoppers" Rosie O'Donnell and Penny
    Marshall ("slovenly", "talking like children", "yahoo types missing
    a gene") as being precisely the types that you're afraid you'll run
    into at a K-Mart, and their appearance in these ads serves mainly
    to drive you away from the very idea of shopping there.
    
    Chris

Maybe they're shorting Kmart stock.

    .257
    
    ROTFLMAO

    
    
    What pisses me off is the elederly people in Revere who had to be
    "evacuated" based partly on this crappy sensationalism....
    
     These poor people were crying and stunned as they were being led to
    buses...
    
     These news creeps oughta be made to eat a meter of snow for that!!!
    

 What did people do 30 years ago during a snowstorm before all the media
 started telling us how horrible it is going to be?

    Got up, looked out at the weather rock and decided how to dress.  If it
    was white, you might need galoshes and a mackinaw.  If it looked wet,
    galoshes and a slicker.  If it cast a shadow, skip the galoshes.  

 ya mean they didn't need a bunch of bozos telling them that things are a little
 crazy at the airport, or that traffic is a bit backed up, or that they had 
 better go to the grocery store and buy up everything they have, including
 every carton of milk and jug of water?



Jim

    
    	I believe that the % of drivers who are women has risen dramat-
    	ically in the last 30 years, as has the perceived danger of be-
    	ing on the roads in bad weather.
    
    	Coincidence?  You make the call.
    

    Good point there, it was more fun back before we "knew" how much
    snow it was going to be.  We used to watch it build up, wonder if
    we'd be getting out of school, and so on.
    
    My theory on Boston's local TV weather wimpiness is that a screw
    came undone one day in February, 1978.  And they'll never be the
    same again.
    
    Chris

>    My theory on Boston's local TV weather wimpiness is that a screw
>    came undone one day in February, 1978.  And they'll never be the
>    same again.

Ya know, they all predicted just a few inches that day. Guess they're making
sure THAT never happens again.

    Eeeeeeuuuuuuuw, what's with the weenies driving Convairs with
    automatic transmissions, blech!!!  My Monza Spider was burgundy
    w/black interior......4 on the floor!!!  The rear engine helps in
    some circumstances, but I never would have made it up the hill
    to my house if that car had an automatic transmission ;-)
    
    Cleo the Geo has her merits (50 miles per gallon), but I don't think
    I'd want her as an automatic either.....the 5 speed makes her 
    tolerable.
    
    
    

Porsche




 nnttm

    gee Karen, who made the Convair?
    
    ...and you're running around in a Geo (manual tranny or not) and you're
       busting MY chops?!!? i don't think so so sweetie. :-)

�.248 
    
�                                                no hump
�    on the floor, 

  Gee Chip, that car doesn't really sound like fun ;-)

kb

                    <<< Note 548.272 by WMOIS::GIROUARD_C >>>

>    gee Karen, who made the Convair?
    
 
     Well, there were several versions of the convair..do you mean the
     turbo-props or the jets?




 Jim

    Is it Winter yet?  By golly, IT IS!!!

    gee Jim, where do you suppose you can park those things for a quick
    run into the druggist? :-)

 

                 New Hampshire Sunday News, December 10, 1995

                  Are TV Forecasters Turning Us Into Wimps?
 
                             By Pat Hammond
 
     Mega-hyped TV forecasts of nor'easters and other rugged New England
   phenomena may be contributing to the creation of an unfortunate new
   breed - snow wimps. People who are afraid to go out in the snow.
     Not only that. Glitzy television weather computer-graphics depicting
   blizzards and hurricanes have scared the snowpants off the school
   superintendents whose job it is to cancel school if the weather isn't
   safe for buses. Not wanting to take chances, the superintedents
   dutifully chalk up another snow day, even though the TV weather call
   may be a far cry from what we see in the window.
     Sometimes, like Friday, Dec.2, the weather wizards are wrong, and
   gleeful school children get a beautiful day off while embarrassed
   superintendents try to mollify annoyed parents.
     "In the old days, we didn't have any advanced weather reports to 
   speak of," retired Manchester school superintendent Henry McLaughlin
   said yesterday. "Now everybody panics. And there's no need to, not in
   the cities anyway. The city plows are out early and by 8 a.m. all the
   roads are in shape."
     No need to panic?
     Not if you watched WMUR-TV reporter Amanda Ober reporting yesterday
   afternoon on the Portsmouth waterfront. "The wind is  strong, the
   temperature is bitter," and she could "barely make out" the 
   Portsmouth Navy Yard in the background because of blowing snow.
   Police advise motorists not to head out, Ober said.
     When a shopper interviewed in downtown Portsmouth said she didn't
   mind the snow because it wasn't bad, Ober took strong issue. "It's
   getting worse," she said, kicking the snow on the ground. "Its a good
   three inches."   
     On Bostons WBZ-TV cars are seen driving along a well-plowed roadway
   while reporter Jack Hart is heard warning viewers to drive with extra
   caution.
     New Hampshire state police reported a few fender benders but said
   motorists were generally proceeding with caution.
     Stephen Taylor drove home tp Plainfield from Portsmouth in the 
   middle of it all. "I came right along, no problems at all," the 
   states commissioner of agriculture said.
     "Things get canceled when they don't have to," Taylor said. "With
   the weather science what it is now, all the weather services
   provide a huge volume of information rapidly. What I always get 
   a kick out off is when they give a tremendous buildup to snow and
   then we only get an inch or two."
     "In the '50s, when I grew up," said Taylor, who is 56, "they
   didn't call off school. I think they are getting increasingly wimpish."
   Taylor recalled that newspaper publisher John Harrigan from up in 
   Colebrook way laughs at the southern part of the state for calling
   off school for a few inches of snow.
     "Watch out for those over-hyped forecasts," Taylor warned. "The
   only one I rely on the most is 'Eye on the Sky,' put out by the 
   Fairbanks Museum on the Vermont Public Radio. They are very 
   conservative and reserved."
     Conservative and reserved also describes Don Kent, long-time
   WBZ-TV weatherman retired to Sanbornton, where he still operates
   satellite weather observing equipment and forecasts for a radio
   station in Hyannis.
     Kent is too much of a gentleman to publicly assail anyone in his
   profession but he acknowledges that, without naming names, there 
   are certain television weather forecasters whose style goes against 
   his grain.
     Kent attributed much of the showmanship now seen on the television
   weather forecasts to the versatility of computer graphics. Things 
   weren't that way in 1955, he recalls.
     "When I started in on TV," Kent said, "we had a blackboard and a 
   piece of white chaulk. It worked out fine. But now there are computer
   systems and they paint clouds in that move and everyone is trying to 
   be first with the greatest.
     "My friends in WBZ-TV walk right into the picture full of enthusiasm,"
   he said. "They have things in hand and they point and say, 'Up here
   it's 45 degrees,' and zing, 45 shows up on the screen.
     "Every station is trying to do its thing. One fellow - on another
   station - I know is a swell guy, but he comes accross on his broadcast
   as an absolute nut. I told him that and he said to me, `You do yours 
   your way and I'll do it mine.'
     "But it discusts me to see to see weather clowned up. My way was 
   to explain things in a pleasant way and not tell jokes. One guy has a 
   `TTC' - meaning `tough to call' - designation in his weather vocabulary.
   Can you imagine a guy making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 
   doing that! I don't watch him, to be sure.
     Professor Joseph Meyrowitz teaches courses on the media and the 
   society at the University of New Hampshire.
     "There is a move to try to make many stories more dramatic and more 
   visually appealing in detail, and also have that `you are there' sense,"
   he said.
     "Stories in general have moved from abstract ideas to visual, visceral,
   emotional and personal. I think there are some troubling aspects to this.
   Increasingly we see a culture moving toward the emotional and intimate
   rather than logical. Stories that can be dramitized get played up 
   incredibly - like the Simpson trial.
     "We are moving toward pseudo-news and the (hyped) weather report is
   an example of that. Here you are, on the spot! - but it does not tell 
   you anything.
     "I am concerned about the general direction of the news," Meyrowitz
   said. "Instead of telling people what they really need to know about
   the world, we are covering things like celebrities, crimes and the 
   weather." 

    Good grief, I never saw such a group that could get so anal over
    spelling errors!!
    
    
    Chip,
    
    If I COULD still buy a CORVAIR, I wouldn't be driving the damn Geo
    OK???
    
    

 I had a friend who had one of the Corvair vans (Corvans).



 Jim

    my next door neighbor when I was growing uop in Baltimore had a
    corvair.  Coal black convertible, red interior, man, what a pickup
    machine.
    
    Karen, is that why you like the Corvair?  :-)

    .280
    
    Weeelllllllllll, not really ;-}
    
    Even if it did, the bucket seats and stick shift helped keep 'em
    in line :-)
    
    

    anal? me? naw... just poking fun is all...

	did someone say anal?

    Karen did! Karen did!

 Looks like a pretty nice storm heading this way, folks.  





 Jim

The Boston media are acting pretty laid back about this storm.  I guess they're
embarrassed about the way they wet their pants about the last one.

 No kidding.  



 Maybe I'll be able to pick up some cat food tonight without running into
 the throngs fearful of never being able to buy milk and bread again.



 Jim

    I`m getting it here in N.J. as I type. It should be a good one!!!

 If I'm reading the weather map right, it looks like real heavy precipitation
 down that way.



 Jim

    
    >                  <<< Note 548.289 by MAIL1::CRANE >>>
    >
    >I`m getting it here in N.J. as I type. It should be a good one!!!
    
    
    	Ooh, errr ... way to go, Ray!!
    
    	Get it once for me, too, why don't you.
    

    re: .277
    
    Don Kent is still alive and kicking?  Excellent!  That's a major
    TTLT.  But where is he, now that we need him, in this age of
    weather wimps and live reports with bundled "reporters" breathlessly
    intoning "There's already a good inch on the ground here, Liz."
    
    Chris

	I know...today's weather is all hype, like the news. They want to leave
you guessing.... I hate that. Sensationalized weather reports! Add Shelby Scott
into the picture, and you got the makings of quite a storm! At least that is
what they try and sell us. :-)


Glen

The morning television forecast for Boston was for 5-8".  The 1pm National 
Weather Service forecast says 10-15".  Regardless, it should be a nasty 
communte tomorrow morning.

Jim

 Terrific

    
    	It's been snowing all day here in Marlboro, and after 6.5 hours
    	my car has no snow on it.
    
    	Which is good, mind you, since it's the Supra.  I was hoping to
    	avoid getting stuck, and when I left this morning it wasn't do-
    	ing anything outside so I decided to leave the Duster for tom-
    	orrow when I'm sure to need it.  Gotta keep the mileage down,
    	you know, and I drove it 2-3 times last week [or the week be-
    	fore ... whenever it snowed last].
    

| <<< Note 548.295 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Praise His name I am free" >>>



| Terrific


	No, nasty. :-)

So how's the driving out there?  I'm specifically interested in the drive
home from Nashua to Boston (3 and 128).

 How about 93 north..Andover Ma-->Derry NH (with a quick stop in 
 Salem).



 Jim

 SnowStormSnarf

	Gee, Jim... let's call into our weather spotters in those areas and
we'll give you a report... When we get it, you wi...oh wait... wait, the report
is in from our weather spotters....snowy....

    
    	Where's Willard Scott when you need him?
    
    	He's probably got elderly listeners in just those areas who'd
    	be glad to call in the weather report for you.
    

| <<< Note 548.302 by BUSY::SLABOUNTY "We all, we all, love it - LOUD!!" >>>


| Where's Willard Scott when you need him?

	Off trying to take advantage of those over 100 with advertising stuff.


Glen

    Weird weather here in Dallas.  Sunday it was sunny and in the 60's and
    Marina and I went for a bike ride.  Today I awoke to about an inch of
    snow on the ground and wind chills in the teens.
    
    Yeck.  Enough of winter already.  Bring on Spring!
    
    Bob

    
    	It was 40 degrees out Saturday and I washed both cars.
    

    Bob,
    
    They said that storm is heading toward Atlanta; 1" of snow pre-
    dicted.  Now 1" of snow is nothing for rational folks to worry
    about, but Atlantans are somethin' else :-(
    
    We've had rain and fog since Sunday, but it hasn't been too cold;
    that's supposed to change tonight.
    
    BTW, I did hear on the Weather Channel that the NE could be in for
    a humdinger of a snowstorm.....just take care folks.
    
    

    	
    	How many shovelfuls in a humdinger ?
    

    
    	NOW there's snow on my car.
    
    	And considering the fact that it's been at least a week since
    	we've had snow in MA, I'd figure most of the people here have
    	forgotten how to drive in the stuff, so it could be a fun ride
    	tonight.
    

    
       	>How many shovelfuls in a humdinger ?
    
    
    	ALOT.  Right, Deb?
    

    
    	I'm *sure* it's mz_debra to you, Shawn.
    

    
    	Oops, how silly of me ... respect my elders, etc.
    
    	Thanks for the cordial reminder, Mrs. Jennison.
    

    Never measured a humdinger, Karen ;-}  FWIW it still looks like
    ya'll will get dumped on big time.
    
    

    Snow has turned to freezing rain now (7:20 But has been since I got up
    at 5:00am) and 20 degree temp. Suppose to stay that way till noon or
    later.
    
    

    Still getting fluffy white stuff in the GMA. Perhaps 4 or 5" on the
    ground so far. Vast majority of schools are closed. Commute in this
    morning was not as bad as expected, only about 10-15 minutes longer
    than normal.

    NOAA weather radio in Concord, Cow Hampster, was saying at 7 AM that
    the Greater Nausea Area should expect 8 to 14 inches by evening.  I
    respect what NOAA says - when everyone was predicting white doom a few
    weeks ago, NOAA was saying <shrug> 5 to 10 inches.  What did we get? 
    depending on where in the area you were, about 5 to 10 inches.
    
    But then the reichwyng wants to shut down NOAA, so I guess I'll have to
    learn to love the ridiculous weather forecasts on commercial radio.

    
    
    I heard you all were going to get dumped on.  We (in Maryland) have
    gotten very little as far as the white stuff goes.  I'd like to see one
    good storm so the kids could get out and do some sledding and make a
    snowman.  Then bring on spring!
    
    
      

    Mid MA and northern RI could get large amounts.  It hasn't come down
    real heavily though so the road crews should be able to keep up with
    it.  The commute was as the Doctah said, slightly longer than normal. 
    I chalk this up to the number of folks that rightfully stayed in bed a
    while longer.  
    
    Brian

    
    Big snow here, especially southwest of Toronto.  Very cold.
    

 We had about 4-5 inches in Derry when I got on the road this morning.  Drive
 down 93 wasn't bad at all.  I think a lot of folks stayed home.




 Jim

    >I think a lot of folks stayed home.
    
     Definitely. Which is fine with me. Fortunately, there were fewer
    people out driving who considered themselves incapable of exceeding 15
    mph than during the commute home last evening. Thanks goodness. It's
    stressful enough driving in this; no need to get behind the
    particularly unskilled.

    My poor brother... if you recall, he flew from Halifax to Toronto on
    the Thursday before Christmas which is when we had our last big "dump"
    and he is scheduled to fly back home this morning.  I know that a lot
    of scheduled flights had already been cancelled so it looks like he's
    in for another fun day of travel.  :-\

The commute home last night was slower than the commute in this morning.
I managed to do 55 on Route 3 this morning, 45 on parts of 128.

    Winter inhales.

    Do something about it, then, Steve. How many winters are you going to
    whine about it? Do you also whine about the hot weather? :-)

    
    	I rather enjoyed today's snow.  There's something almost fun
    	about driving in a few inches of powder.
    
    	'course, it probably helped that I didn't do the shoveling today.
    
    

    
    It took me less time than usual to drive to work this morning because
    nobody was on Route 2!
    
    I had about 8" (8^)) of snow at home this morning.
    

    
    	8" ... 8"!!  Did EVERYBODY get 8"??  8^)
    
    
    	Well, the Duster had about 5" of snow on it when I cleaned it
    	off after work last night [sat in the driveway all day], and
    	another 1" after playing pool last night, and another 5" this
    	morning.
    
    	So I'd say that we got about 11" in Uxbridge.
    
    	The ride in this morning would have been OK, but I got stuck
    	behind a tractor-trailer doing 15-20 in Uxbridge [1/3-1/2 of
    	the speed limit on that road] and a couple plows between North-
    	bridge and Hopkinton.  Once I got to 495 and got to the left
    	lane I was able to blast up the highway at 60-65, and almost
    	hit 70 once or twice.
    
    	But I AM sick of shovelling snow and cleaning cars off.
    

 It's the New Year Nor'easter, folks!  brought to you by channel 7!

    
    
    nonsense, winter is *your* friend, and means you no harm.

    Judging from the current NEXRAD image, the storm should be wrapping up
    in the GMA in the next couple of hours. The difference between the
    current image and the one I looked at this morning is dramatic. The
    precipitation is currently covering about half the area it was at 10
    am and is moving eastward. The worst areas are currently the NMA/SNH
    coastal border up to around Portland, ME. Hudson, NH and immediate
    environs are still getting pelted, but that plume is smaller. Looks
    clear west of about Brookline, NH. 
    
    http://www.intellicast.com/weather/bos/bref1.gif

    re: .324
    
    I am currently working on a super-secret weather controlling machine,
    Mark.  Don't tell anyone, though, it would be very bad if it fell into
    the wrong hands.    8^)

    
    	All the news reports I saw gave a snowfall estimate for
    	the entire storm (and most said 10-14 inches for central
    	Massachusetts).
    
    	So, why is that this morning, everyone is complaining that
    	there are only 5 inches on the ground ?  Have they not noticed
    	that the snow is still falling ?
    
    	

  So we'll be subject to more screeching by the TV "News" people, I suppose.




 Jim

    Another semi evyl snarf missed!!! :-(

re� .325 
    
�                                    There's something almost fun
�    	about driving in a few inches


    I enjoy this on occasion also  ;-)
kb

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    >  -< So, how much is a few?? >-
    
    Eight.  Always eight.
    

    Oh, I'm sure she speaks English.

Weather Conditions at 8 AM EST on 7 JAN 96 for Boston, MA.

Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather

========================================================================

   10          N/A          NNW at 12       30.40      Overcast

eastern essex-eastern norfolk-suffolk-
including the cities of...gloucester...lynn...salem...boston...quincy

443 AM EST SUN JAN 7 1996

 ..winter storm warning tonight through monday and coastal flood
watch monday...

TODAY:

mostly cloudy and cold with scattered snow showers
accumulating up to an inch in some places.  high near 20.  north wind
5 to 15 mph becoming a brisk northeast wind of 15 to 25 mph toward
evening.

TONIGHT:

becoming very windy with snow...heavy at times late
accumulating around 6 inches by dawn.  considerable blowing and
drifting.  temperatures rising to near 30 by dawn.  northeast wind
increasing to 30 to 40 mph late with gusts to 50 mph.  minor flooding
at time of high tide.

MONDAY:

very windy with snow...heavy at times.  near blizzard
conditions possible.  total storm accumulation by nightfall of 12 to
    18 inches.  major coastal flooding possible.  high around 30.

                 ************************
                 Winter weather statement
                 ************************

WINTER STORM WARNING AND WATCH STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA

635 AM EST SUN JAN 7 1996

 ..a winter storm warning is in effect tonight through monday for
most of southern new england...
the exception is over the northwest third of massachusetts and
southwest new hampshire where a winter storm watch is in effect.
snowfall by monday evening is expected to range between 5 and 10
inches in parts of northwest massachusetts including springfield...
between 8 and 18 inches in much of the rest of central and eastern
massachusetts and northern connecticut including the cities of
boston...hartford and worcester.  the jackpot...10 to 20 inches will
probably occur in rhode island and most of southeast massachusetts
where 2 foot amounts are possible.  rain should limit snowfall on the
cape and islands but still 5 to 10 inches is expected there by
daybreak monday.

near blizzard conditions are forecast for the coast tonight and
monday morning when the heaviest snow and strongest wind coincide.
the coast from boston to chatham and newport rhode island will see
wind gusts between 50 and 60 mph.

light snow has started in new york city while scattered snow showers
were occurring on the cape.

the storm probably will not begin in earnest until between 1 and 4 pm
in hartford and providence reaching boston...worcester...springfield
between 4 and 8 pm.

if the storm tracks a little further northwest:
heavy snow could
back into the greenfield...manchester...jaffrey region of northwest
massachusetts and southwest new hampshire.

this may be a historic storm for parts of the mid atlantic states.

it certainly will be a major player in our lives here in southern new
england tonight and monday.  travel across southern new england to
and from new york city and cape cod should be completed by 5 pm
today.  major delays and cancellations of all sorts of activities are
anticipated for our region later tonight and monday morning.
this is probably a good time to make it easier for snow clearing
crews by moving your cars off the street or closer to the curb.  this
will allow rescue and special care vehicles to be able to reach those
most in need tomorrow.

please monitor your favorite radio or television for later statements
and updates on this storm.

                 ***********************
                 State extended forecast
                 ***********************
EXTENDED FORECAST:

TUESDAY:
a chance of snow showers.  lows 5 to 15 inland and 15 to
25 along the shore.  highs 25 to 35.

WEDNESDAY:
variable clouds.  lows 5 to 15 above inland and 15
to 25 coast.  highs 25 to 35.

THURSDAY:
a chance of snow showers.  low 15 to 25.  high 25 to
35.

>eastern essex-eastern norfolk-suffolk-

East Anglia's moved over there?  If only!  (We'll keep the Adnams brewery 
though, TYVM)

Chris.

Snow wallops East, keeping people home and stalling truckers
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(c) 1996 Associated Press

(01 Sun, 1996 - 17:48:03 EST) One of the East's worst snowstorms in 70
years blew up blizzard conditions Sunday, piling up knee-deep snow that
shut down airports, made truckers give up and even closed the doors at
Wal-Mart. Thousands were without heat and light.

"We are stranded big-time," said Neva Runyon at remote Hardy in the hills of
eastern Kentucky. About 18 inches of snow was on the ground by midday and a
deputy had to hike to her house with a delivery of special formula for her
5-month-old son.

"We just didn't know it was going to get this bad," she said.

Thousands of travelers were stranded at airports, bus terminals and highway
rest stops. USAir said it canceled about 1,100 flights serving airports from
Washington north to Boston.

"We're stuck wherever we're at," said trucker Johnny Vollrath, idling his
big rig at a service station along Interstate 64 in West Virginia. "It's
real bad. ... We're stuck in the truck stop or the Kmart parking lot bored
to death."

States of emergency were declared in West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland and
New Jersey. Hundreds of National Guardsmen were sent out to help in
Virginia, Maryland and New Jersey.

The snow piled up as an intense low pressure area sucked in moisture from
the Atlantic and combined it with arctic cold. Blizzard and heavy snow
warnings were posted from Kentucky into Connecticut, the National Weather
Service said.

Western North Carolina had the heaviest snow by midday with 28 inches in
Avery County. One to 2 feet of snow fell by noon in southern West Virginia
with 3 feet possible by Monday morning.

Many of North Carolina's western counties were without electricity because
of sleet and freezing rain, and thousands of customers were blacked out in
southwestern Virginia.

Some southern West Virginia roads drifted over as fast as they could be
plowed, and could be closed for days, said highway worker James Lusk in
Mercer County. "The snow is just about too deep on these secondary roads for
trucks to push," he said.

More than 2 feet was likely in northern Virginia, Washington and Maryland.
There hadn't been that much snow in the area since January 1922, when 24.7
inches fell at Baltimore, the weather service said.

"This is almost the snowfall of the century," said Mike LaCivita of the
state emergency agency in Virginia.

Snow fell all the way south into Georgia and northern Alabama, where ice and
snow closed I-65 around Birmingham for hours during the morning.

A freight train derailed while plowing through drifts near Blacksburg, Va.
There was 18 to 20 inches of snow on the ground by late morning but the
cause of the derailment wasn't certain, said Norfolk Southern spokesman Bob
Auman. No one was injured.

Most airlines canceled or reduced Sunday flights into Washington, New York,
Philadelphia and Newark, and rerouted international flights. Washington's
National airport closed and Dulles had only one runway open; New York's
Kennedy and LaGuardia airports both closed.

The only planes that got out of Baltimore-Washington International during
the morning were two charter flights, headed to the Bahamas and Puerto
Vallarta, Mexico, said spokeswoman Adrian Walker-Pittman.

About 600 passengers were stranded at a Greyhound Lines Inc. bus terminal in
Richmond, Va., with some sleeping on buses. The Red Cross was asked to bring
in cots and blankets, said customer manager Floyd Miles.

Tractor-trailer rigs and buses were ordered off the West Virginia Turnpike
through the rugged southern part of the state and many voluntarily pulled
off other major highways.

"They're lined up out the parking lot and they're not letting anybody in
who's not refueling," said Kelly Smith, a cashier at a service station along
Interstate 64 in West Virginia's Putnam County.

While the main body of the storm was in the East, blowing snow halted travel
in parts of the Midwest.

Truckers filled the parking lot of a truck stop along I-70 south of New
Castle, Ind., said waitress Cathy Bray.

"And we've got some trucks stuck in our lot," she said. "They're going to
have to call a wrecker to get out of here."

Many shoppers rushed to stock up on supplies, but others had nowhere to go.
The Rouse Co. closed four of central Maryland's most popular malls, the
first time they were closed by weather, said spokeswoman Sari Alperstein.

All Home Depot stores in northern Virginia were closed and many Wal-Mart
stores also were dark. The Potomac Mills Mall in Prince William County --
the state's most popular tourist destination -- also was closed.

Some people tried to take the weather in stride.

"I'm getting tired of these storms. We get one this week, one next week, one
last week. I'm conditioned to them," said Richard Gindes in Malden, Mass.

The part of this storm near NYC is currently dropping snow at the rate of
three to five inches an hour.

/john

    In MD, we're having the worst storm of my 42 years, and they're calling
    it the worst blizzard since the 1922 Knickerbocker Storm which was so
    named since the roof of the Knickerbocker Hotel in DC collapsed from
    the weight of the 30+ inches of snow.  We're looking at about 19" of
    snow, 12 degrees on the thermonmeter, 20-30 MPH gusts with wind chills
    estimated at 30-40 below zero.  I went out for 5 minutes about 15
    minutes ago to reshovel off some snow and take out the trash and my
    nose and face hurts so much from the wind and needle-like flakes.  The
    wife doesn't have cabin fever yet...

    
    
    Kind of cool here in the silly-con valley becouse of the fog. Went to
    Santa Cruz today and it was 70 degrees, what a nice day at the coast.

    
    	re: .344
    
    
    	PPPPPPBBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
    
    

Argh.  At 7:00, Pam came in and asked me to help her shovel.  "Help" means
do the shoveling; she's not allowed to lift snow.  But she's supposed to
be at the blood bank at 7:00, no matter what the weather.

Our plowing contractor  had cleared our driveway, and she was up at the
top, looking at a sea of ice pushed into the driveway from across the
intersection by the town plow.  (Not off the side of the plow; the town
plow had completely plowed our street down to the pavement and had pushed
eight by four by three feet of the crud that had been on the street for a
week into our driveway.)  I worked on it for about a half an hour; and then
told her to tell the hospital she would be in around 9:00.  Chopping and
chipping and dragging away briefcase sized blocks of ice was killing my back.

A neighbor with a plow came by.  "My fuel pump's broken, and I'm spewing
gasoline, and I have 40 people to plow out, but I'll do a little bit."
He pulled some of it out into the street with the back of his plow, and
I was able to finish the rest in about another fifteen minutes, about the
time when he came back by, fuel pump fixed, and plowed away the crud I
had been throwing out into the street.

As long as I was out, I decided to finish the shoveling.  The mailbox
area, which the town also plows in, was no problem; that was all stuff
off the side of the plow and nothing like what they had shoved into my
driveway.  Took about ten minutes.  Then all the rest of my walkways
only took another 15 minutes.  The snow is so light and fluffy that I
could push the shovel the entire length of the walkway without lifting it.

Just as I finished, the snow started coming down again, harder than ever
before, almost white-out conditions.  In fifteen minutes a full inch of
new snow has already fallen.

I came into work Sunday afternoon to pick up a few things I was working on.
I'm not going anywhere now that the blizzard seems to have finally arrived.

/john

At 7:00 this morning, there was _no_snow_ in Amesbury and Haverhill.

/john

                         
    The snow wasn't falling too heavily until I passed 495 on Route 2
    heading East; from that point the road wasn't well plowed and I could
    hardly see the car in front of me until he finally turned on his
    lights.
    
    The wind is blowing like crazy 8^p.
    

    You guys are sooooooooooo lucky, having such a nice snow filled winter.
    I wish I was there. This 52 degrees and all this sunshine in Colorado
    is a real drag!   :)

    but it is a bit breezy today.  
    
    meg

    It's scuzzy abominable weather or weather an abominable scsi.

    
    For fear of ridicule I hate to admit this but...
    
    I *love* this weather.  And yes, I am in the
    greater Maynard area, not in sunny California
    or Florida.
    
    Walt
    
    
    

    Yeah, Walt, I know whatcha mean.  This morning I've been enjoying
    watching the snow fall horizontally.

    It's time to get up, Dick.

    
    	RE: Colin
    
    	8^)
    

    
    	Snow, snow and more snow.
    
    	I've shovelled the same areas around the house 3 times since I
    	got home at about 6:30 last night.
    
    	Took a ride to Wrentham [east of Franklin, for all you north-
    	ophiles] and made the mistake of using the Supra.  It had just
    	started flurrying when I left the house [2:15-2:30 yesterday
    	afternoon] and I should have taken a hint and used the Duster,
    	but I figured it wouldn't get bad until later.  Well, later
    	was about 5:45 when I drove back home.  Did maybe 25-35 all
    	the way, and had no problems ... had a little trouble start-
    	ing out a couple times, but a quick shift from 1-2 or even
    	2-3 was enough to get me going.
    
    	Took off to play pool, had an 8-ball tournament [that I won]
    	and couldn't stick around any longer to try and win more since
    	I had a headache that wouldn't quit ... so it was an early
    	night.
    
    	The roads aren't TOO bad if you take your time, but watch for
    	white-out problems, especially when behind trucks on the high-
    	way.  There were a few instances where I couldn't see a thing
    	[not even the outline of the truck in front of me] due to all
    	the snow blowing around.
    

Well, here in Acton we got another 7 1/2 inches between 8:30 and 11:45.

It does seem to be slowing down a bit, though.  I was out shoveling for
about 45 minutes, and there was only an inch at the place I started
when I got finished and came back there.

/john

    If we had gotten those big, fluffy flakes of snow (rather than the tiny
    flakes that we ended up with), we would have had about 4' of snow. 
    Instead, we only got a mere 15".  8^)
    
    I was amazed that those tiny flakes even accumulated, when the snow
    first began Saturday night- didn't seem like there was much to it at
    the time.
    
    
    -steve

    
    	With the wind blowing the snow all over the place, it's deceptive
    	as to the actual snowfall.  My car only had a dusting [incomplete
    	at that] after sitting all night, but we had to have gotten at
    	least 6" of snowfall.
    

I guess this message, received at 13:38, from the ZKO site human resources and
site facilities managers, means "we're not sending you home, but go if you
think you should."

  At the present time, there are no plans to close the ZKO site.
  However, we understand that road conditions are deteriorating rapidly,
  especially in southern and central Massachusetts.  Even in the Nashua area,
  roads are getting very slick.

  Please let your folks know so they can plan accordingly.

    
    	John, you forgot the P.S.:
    
    
    	P.S.  However, if you even consider leaving before 5:00, don't
    	      even bother coming back here, ever.
    

    
    They're not closing MSO, but we've been encouraged to leave early so we
    can make our commute during daylight hours.
    
    Fat lot of good that does me, having rehearsal tonight in Sudbury. 
    Right, John?  ...John?
    
    

I'm really not sure about the rehearsal.  We've never cancelled one before.
Debbi Lustiber called me, and me reaction was "Cancel it?  What for?  The
snow is supposed to stop by mid-evening."  It's not up to me (even if I
were producer); it's really up to the directors, and especially Marion.
If she thinks she can make it, and needs to get started on the blocking,
I think there'll be a rehearsal.

/john

    
>If she thinks she can make it, and needs to get started on the blocking,
    
    	Good choice, I think.  The best offense is a good defense.
    

From some random WWWeb site in South-Central Pennsylvania:

                   --------------------------------------
                        Welcome to snowfall central!
                                -------------

     Here at (the newly created) snowfall central, we will keep you
     up-to-date on how much snow we are receiving here at my
     home in South-Central Pennsylvania. I (webmaster jon) will be
     updating this page about once an hour until it stops snowing
     (probably sometime Monday) or my electricity goes out or until my
     boss sees this (whichever happens first). By employing the very
     latest in snowfall-measuring technology (i have a yard stick
     jabbed into the snow on my front porch), i will be bringing you
     up-to-date snow measurements .

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 I had to move the yardstick because it was in a bad place and not giving me
 correct readings. As of 8:00pm EST on Sunday, January 7, 1995 the readings
                           are now more accurate!
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    The yardstick got buried! The following reading is as well as i could
                   measure it, but i think it's a bit low.
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                As of 10:56am EST on Monday, January 8, 1996

                       about 40" (about forty inches)

             of snow has fallen on webmaster jon's front porch.

                   --------------------------------------
                             ~earlier readings~

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   as of 11:03pm EST on Sunday, January 7, 1996 there was 21.5" of snow on
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  the readings from 4:57pm EST on Sunday, January 7, 1996 to 7:25pm EST on
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placed the yardstick beside a spot of shoveled-off sidewalk and all the snow
          blew away from the yardstick and down into the sidewalk.
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    	John, I'm not sure who's in more urgent need of a life ... him
    	for doing this in the 1st place or you for posting it.
    
    	[Or maybe even me for responding to it.]
    

Rehearsal cancelled.

    
    	That settles that, Deb ... no rehearsal, so now you can work even
    	later than you'd planned.
    

    
    Damn, and I was having the Swedish Women's team over tonight
    for practice in the 1996 Naked Olympics! Well, in my dreams
    anyway...
    
    -b

    
    The Swedish Women's __________ team?
    

    
    	Joan, the apostrophe is correct, if that was your point.
    
    	If not, and you're just wondering what sport these women excel
    	in, and knowing Brian ...I don't think he's too fussy about that.
    
    	8^)
    

    
    The apostrophe was not my point.
    

    uh oh, now he's ticked.

    It's either the caret or the tick around here.
    

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
110 PM EST MON JAN 8 1996
The following is a list of snow accumulation amounts from southern
New england and southern new hampshire received at nwsfo taunton for
Sunday and monday (jan 7-8) snowstorm.
...Only reports since 9 am on jan 8 have been included...
Thanks to all the agencies and observers/media for filing reports
With us.  this product is available on our home page:
Http://bristol.ll.mit.edu/
                      Time           amount     
                      Of report      in inches
**** eastern massachusetts ****
Essex county:
Gloucester            1130 am         12.0
Middlesex county:
Wakefield             1245 pm         16.4
Hopkinton             1140 am         14.3
East woburn           1125 am         10.5
Reading               1100 am          8.0
Burlington            1010 am          8.0
Woburn                 910 am          7.5
Suffolk county:
Boston (logan airport)   noon         13.6     27 inches on ground
Norfolk county:
Cohasset              1140 am         14.0     hvy snow
Bristol county:
Taunton (nwsfo box)   1250 pm         15.5     23 inches on ground
New bedford             noon          23.0
N. fairhaven            noon          22.3
Mansfield               noon          15.7
N. dartmouth          1100 am         20.0
Acushnet              1100 am         14.3
Easton                1010 am         14.3
Plymouth county:
Onset                   noon          18.0
Marshfield            1000 am         13.0
Barnstable county:
Harwichport           1240 pm         18.0
S. dennis               noon          14.0
E. falmouth             noon          14.0
Dukes county:
Tisbury               1120 am         12.5
Edgartown              930 am         14.0
Nantucket county:
**** central massachusetts****
Worcester county:
N. grafton            1220 pm         12.0
Worcester             1145 am         11.0
Westboro              1120 am          6.0
Boylston              1045 am         13.0
**** western massachusetts **** 
Franklin county:
Leverett               955 am         10.0   27 inches on ground
Greenfield             910 am          5.0
Hampshire county:
Southampton           1100 am         15.0
Belchertown            910 am         13.0
Hampden county:
W. granville           100 pm         21.0   43 inches on ground
Monson                1240 pm         16.0   30 inches on ground
Springfield           1100 am         16.0
Agawam                1100 am         15.0
Chicopee              1100 am         15.0
East longmeadow       1100 am         16.0
Hampden                945 am         12.0
Westfield              910 am         11.0
**** rhode island ****
Providence county:
Cumberland            1245 am         18.0    snow and sleet 18 deg
N. smithfield         1215 pm         22.0
Foster                1100 am         24.0
Woonsocket            1100 am         13.5
Johnston              1030 am         19.0
North foster          1000 am         11.0    26 inches on ground
Providence (downtown)  920 am         14.0
Cranston (edgewood)    905 am         20.0
Kent county:
T.f. green arpt         noon          20.5    2-3 ft drifts
West warwick           900 am         19.5
Washington county:
Block island          1000 am         14.0
Bristol county:
Newport county:
Tiverton              1135 am         12.0
Middletown            1020 am         17.0
**** connecticut ****
Hartford county:
Bradley int'l airport  100 pm         17.3     30 inches on ground
Wethersfield          1240 pm         15.0     spotter report  
Glastonbury           1240 pm         12.0
Farmington              noon          13.0     20 deg, hvy snow
Wethersfield            noon          12.0     dot report
Avon                    noon          12.5     20 deg, hvy snow
East granby             noon          14.0     21 deg, hvy snow
East hartford         1110 am         14.0
Tolland county:
Union                   noon          12.3     18 deg, lgt snow
Vernon                  noon          13.5     18 deg, hvy snow
Mansfield               noon          16.0     24 deg, lgt snow
Windham county:
Putnam                  noon          15.5     20 deg, lgt snow
**** southern new hampshire ****
Cheshire county:
Jaffrey               1220 am         12.0              
Hillsborough county:
Manchester            1125 am          1.0
Amherst               1115 am          1.5      mdt snow
Hollis                1110 am          5.0      hvy snow
Bedford               1100 am          1.0      hvy snow
Cullen

    
    well I feel sorry for all you ne snow bunnies out there. We got around
    an inch or 2. Supposed to hit 35 tomorrow. happy happy joy joy

Well, that's it for shoveling for today.

I just shoveled another six inches, for a total of about 18 today.

Not counting all the stuff at the mailbox; this time I had to dig
through a snowbank higher than my head to get out to the street.
To dig out the mailbox I had to shovel it all twice, because the
snowbank is now higher in that area than I can throw snow, so I had
to throw it down the street and then shovel it back out of the street.

I'm probably going to have to get out the wheelbarrow, since its supposed
to snow again Tuesday night (not much, but there's nowhere to put it
anymore) and another significant (not this big, but significant) storm
on Friday.

/john

    
    
    	keep it coming....:)
    
    

    A snow bank higher than your head?!? Wow, must be nearly 5 feet!
    
    ;^)

The Man With The Front-End Loader hasn't shown up yet. Sometimes he
shows up around 11PM. Sometimes he shows up at 5:30 AM. When he gets
here, he gets here.

	Tabloid Weather.... WHY?????


Glen

    In Bowie, MD, the final count was 27" with snow drifts over 5' plus. 
    It snowed a record 41 hours continuous for us and the 27" is also a
    record, as is the one day total of 19".
    
    This is by far worse than the Blizzard of 66, imho.

Well, it's not over here yet.

They've been looking for a record to break all day.

We've gotten about 19 inches, so it won't break the 24 inch record from
the blizzard of 78.

But we have more than the previous record of 30 inches of snow on the ground
now (from this and previous storms) and that's a record which wasn't broken
by the blizzard of '78.

So the forecasters are happy.  We've got a new record.

/john

    
    
    	still snowing/drifting like crazy in Hudson MA.
    
    
    

 Up here in Derry, NH we got about 10-12 inches.  Was coming down pretty hard
 for a while this morning and afternoon.

 And, we have another one coming at the end of the week!

    Gee, all of these storms have just missed the Ottawa area.
    
    8^)

OK.

Plowman came back to "finetune" the driveway/yard.

I now have some snow piles in excess of 12 feet in height.

He says he's heard that there may be as many as two more storms before next
week this time.

If anyone has any Florida/Alabama/Mississippi/Louisiana property that 
they'd be willing to exchange for a 3-bedroom post-and-beam on 20+ secluded 
New Hampshire acres, please send Email.

Yep.  The same two storms I mentioned.  Tuesday night/Wednesday will be
just a dusting (I guess at this point anything under three inches is a
dusting) and is a 50% probability.  Friday and Saturday another big storm
is expected.  The nastiest news about the Friday/Saturday storm is that
it might be partly rain.  With this much snow on the ground, rain will
really make a mess.

/john

>The nastiest news about the Friday/Saturday storm 
>is that it might be partly rain.

The saving grace is that if it rains, I can at least go out and lie on top
of the snow and ice with my mouth open and potentially drown.

| <<< Note 548.385 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Praise His name I am free" >>>

| And, we have another one coming at the end of the week!

	Oh good! More Tabloid Weather!

| <<< Note 548.389 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>

| The saving grace is that if it rains, I can at least go out and lie on top
| of the snow and ice with my mouth open and potentially drown.

	<grin>....but I do sense a hint of seriousness.... ;-)

	The snow plows are just doing their job. So when I got to my car
	this evening, it was ok that the snow was buried up to my roof. 

	The snow plows are just doing their job. After I finally get the 
	entire car dug out, I mean, we're talking throwing the last shovel 
	full, a plow came by to snow me back in.

	The snow plows are just doing their job. After I finally get my 
	car completely dug out, for the 2nd time, AND again, the last 
	shovel full, a plow came by to snow me back in. 

	The plows are just doing their job. If I keep saying that, maybe 
	I will believe it. :-(


	Glen

Do you suppose that if you'd been standing by the side of the car brandishing
a weapon upon the return of the plow, they might have afforded you a wider 
berth, Glen?

	The couldn't go any further out to the left (not Left). I was standing
in front of my car, not moving. :-)


Glen

One of those narrow ancient Boston streets?

Where do they go during summer?  Do they get converted into swords?


\C

    Chele, this troubles me.

    
    "Durn thing gets stuck in the dab-gum snow!"
    

    .387
    
    Jack,
    
    What ? No Texas ? With it's 104+ degree summers.
    
    ;^)

    
    Snarfs blowing sideways in 12 foot piles.

| <<< Note 548.395 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>

| One of those narrow ancient Boston streets?

	No, just a one way street, which means people part on both sides of the
road. I desperately tried to get a parking spot on the left side, as they plow
everything over to the right. But none were available whenever I would look for
one this past weekend.


Glen

| <<< Note 548.396 by GIDDAY::BURT "DPD (tm)" >>>

| Where do they go during summer?  Do they get converted into swords?

	I'd like to do that to them now....

	I am SO OVER winter! I want SPRING NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW SNAP! whew.... I
fell much better now....

    
    The snow piles along my driveway are also higher than my head now 8^/. 
    I'm going to have to go and redistribute snow at some point before the
    next storm.
    

>     <<< Note 548.404 by POWDML::HANGGELI "Little Chamber of Nightmares" >>>
    
>    The snow piles along my driveway are also higher than my head now 8^/. 
>    I'm going to have to go and redistribute snow at some point before the
>    next storm.
        
        You've got 4 feet 3 inches of snow, Deb?
        
        &y
        
    

    
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    that looked to be about 8" give or take.

    Got a "dusting" of snow this morning, just in time for rush hour.  Glad
    I caught the traffic report before venturing out. 
    
    The dusting was 1-2" (which would normally be called a good snow in
    these parts, but is hardly noticed with 15" of snow already on the ground).
    Did make for a fun commute, though, judgeing by the number of reported
    accidents.  
    
    
    -steve

    Overheard on the stairs coming into ZK this morning:
    
        "Some guy on the radio said all the New Englanders who panic-bought
        and hoarded bread ought to take that day-old bread and feed the
        birds."
    
    Pfui.  New Englandahs doan't panic buy.  We bought what we'd need ahead
    o' time.  It's them damn immigrant forrinahs crowdin' the stoah aisles
    when the snow stahts fallin', the fools.

    
    	Dug the Supra out of the snow last night ... what a pain.  But
    	I drove it today, and it's pretty close to completely clean,
    	so it was worth the effort.
    
    	But I am sick of shovelling.
    

    re: .409
    
    They DO panic buy here in Cincy.  You should see the grocerty
    stores after the hyper weather-guy forcasts doom and gloom snowfalls.
    
    You'd think that folks expect to get snowed in for a couple of months,
    judgeing by how high the food is stacked in their shopping carts.
    
    [and to put this into perspective, after record snowfalls this weekend,
    folks were asked not to venture out for a whole 1 DAY- after this, the
    main roads were in fairly good shape]
    
    
    -steve 

re: Panic buying

I've never understood the concept, myself. I've always got a refrigerator,
freezer and cupboards stuffed with plenty of food. As I don't drink
milk and I usually make my own bread, I've pretty much always got at least
a few weeks worth of food in the house at any given time.

Do many people have cupboards typically so bare that they can't get by for
several days without fresh provisions?

    
    	My thoughts exactly. I have at least a week or two worth of food
    at all times.
    
    
    jim

    
    	Heard an interesting comment on this today. Person n the radio said
    something to the effect that most of us have enough body fat to survive
    for a few days anyway.
    
    ed

    
    A normal (read "overweight" ;^) North American should take about
    30-60 days to starve to death.  Thirst can take a life somewhat
    quicker (5-7 days?).
    

    Thirst?  With all that snow to eat?

    
    	RE: Joan
    
    	How about those of us who are about 15-20 pounds underweight?
    
    	[Madman, keep those shelves stocked!!  8^)]
    

	Deb, if you show a little leg, maybe some nice plow man will stop and
help. :-)

| <<< Note 548.412 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>


| and I usually make my own bread, 

	We must talk! I've been looking for some good bread recipes. I've only
made bread once, but want to do it right this time. :-)

| I've pretty much always got at least a few weeks worth of food in the house 
| at any given time.

	Yeah... that Spam lasts forever......

	One thing I always wonder is if people panic buy, fill those
refridgerators and all, and the power goes out.... what goes through their
minds? :-)


Glen

    
    Call Mister Plow
    That's my name
    That name again
    Is Mister Plow
    

| <<< Note 548.415 by TROOA::COLLINS "In the dead heat of Time..." >>>


| Thirst can take a life somewhat quicker (5-7 days?).

	There's plenty of snow to do away with thirst....but stay away from
that yellow stuff...

    
    Glen,
    
    If the power goes out and your refrigerator is stocked, you 
    simply put the food on the front porch and hope the dogs
    stay away.
    
    Hope this helps,
    Pam
    
    (a non-panic-shopper)

    When using snow to slake your thirst, don't just eat it.  Doing so
    extract tremendous amounts of heat from your body as you supply the
    extra energy (heat of fusion, 155 calories per kilogram) to change it
    from warm snow at 0� C to cold water at 0� C.  Find some way to melt
    the snow before you consume it.

    
    	Glen, you should buy non-perishables if possible, and try not to
    	stock up on more perishables than you plan on using should the
    	power go out.
    

    I did a little bit of figuring, and nearest I can guess we could get by
    for the better part of a month without electricity, water, gas, or any
    way to go anywhere except between the house and barn.  Goldfish would
    probably not make it, however; they'd have it rough when their aquarium
    froze solid.

    Survivalists in Nashua.  Film at 11.

    
    	How many goldfish?
    
    	If you run out of food, they just might be enough to get you
    	to the beginning of the next month.
    

| <<< Note 548.422 by CSC32::P_SO "Get those shoes off your head!" >>>


| If the power goes out and your refrigerator is stocked, you simply put the 
| food on the front porch and hope the dogs stay away.

	In Boston it would be the homeless, not dogs....

   .420   Plowman does the driveway where I live.
	  That's really his last name - Plowman.


   thanks for asking.

    
    "Oh, the sander and the plowman should be friends..."
    

    philosophers and Plowman, each must know his part

    The plooboy laddies,
    Are a' the go.

    Since I don't have work today, I went out to expand on the 30" path I
    made yesterday in the 2 foot plus snow...now it started to come down
    like gangbusters again;  this was supposed to be a Clipper, but 1.5 hrs
    and 2 inches later, it's still snowing like crazy.
    
    Anyone have a good idea on how to remove snow over top my garage; it's
    shingled, a slope of about 20 degrees and drifts over 3 foot in
    spots...I am starting to worry.

Roof rake, !Roger.

    .433
    
    Use a snow rake.  Failing a snow rake, given that you live in the
    tropics, stand on a ladder and drag the snow off with a rake or a
    shovel of some sort.  Better it should be on the ground than that
    the roof should cave in.

    Thanks, gents, I'm out to the wild and snowy...and like I told the
    wife, that thump won't be Santa Claus!

    
    	Take out your garden hose and blast all the snow off the roof.
    

    I have run out of places to put snow.  I can't throw it 
    any higher over my head than I am now.  On a bright note,
    the snowblower ran for 20 minutes or so before the carburetor
    caught fire.  Perhaps we will yet have it running by spring....
    
    The people plowing our street have also run out of places to 
    put snow, and now, as a result you have to make a 6 point turn
    to back the F250 out of the driveway.  On a bright note, the
    F250 is running again, and came in mighty handy yesterday, as 
    I had to be at work....
    
    

    Glenn (Richardson),
    
    Ya'll better hurry up and get some of those bags ya'll use in Canada
    to bag yer snow out to the 'boxers in the NE ;-}
    
    

    
    My above-ground pool has blended-in with the show drifts. Most
    people would not even suspect there is a pool there... If I'm
    lucky and sell my house in time, I might never see that pool
    again...
    
    -b

    They sell snowbags in Brattleboro VT.

    News on the east coast storm reminds me of the big one in '68 that caused 
    my family to migrate from Chicago -> Florida.  Snow drifts buried fences, 
    cars, and reached to our 2nd story bedroom window.  No work, no school.  
    My Dad & I hiked to the grocery store and stocked our sled with essentials. 

    
    	Where is it snowing again? I don't see anything outside here in
    Hudson MA.
    
    
    jim

    
    	OK, who said it was snowing again/still?
    

	Jim, they put sunny pictures on the windows yesterday when they sent
everyone home early. This way no one will ever be able to leave early again!

    The dusting we were supposed to get today is turning into a bit of a
    sanding right now.

It's snowing again in Washington, D.C.; they're expecting another 3-5 inches,
which is enough to close that city down even without the 20 they've already
gotten.

We're supposed to get another 1-3 in Boston tonight, and then another
significant storm all day Friday and Saturday, which may be partially
rain, depending on the storm track.

/john

>It's snowing again in Washington, D.C.; they're expecting another 3-5 inches,

That must explain why we ain't heard from Mikey today.

    I'm really getting tired of hearing about all this snow...

    Looking forward to April?

    MadMike just appeared and said he made out OK during storm; had
    no trouble getting out (obviously).
    
    Hmmm, he had a short hair cut and wasn't sporting his NRA hat;
    hmmmm another TTWA.
    

    Why didn't he cut the long hair?

    re: Glenn
    
    Yes, I'm looking forward to me...  8)
    
    No really, it's not fair that 1/3 of the country is bombarded with snow
    and the other 2/3 rarely sees it.  I can't remember the last White
    Christmas in Texas...  
    
    'pril

    
    .442
    
    Winter of 67 had the big snowstorm in Chicago. 79 wasn't bad either.
    
    Mark

| <<< Note 548.450 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "Big Bag O' Passion" >>>

| Looking forward to April?


	Sure.... no more snow for the rest of the year! APRIL FOOLS! :-)

    
    	April fools some of the people some of the time,
    	but she can't fool all of the people all of the time.
    

    8)

    April may fool you without you knowing.

    how deep...

    
    	April, there's a fine line between genius and insanity.
    
    	But in Glenn's case, it's not exactly a photo-finish situation,
    	if you know what I mean.
    
    	8^)
    

    Is that some sort of insult there?

    
    	Hmmm ... sorry about that.  I guess it was somewhat ambiguous.
    

    Sorry Shawn, I have no idea what you mean.  

    Shawn could mean one thing, or he could mean something else.

    I'll take his statement as is.

    Jack:
    
    The DEC offices in DC were closed Monday and Tuesday; therefore no
    Mikey.  He's out with his snowblower earning some mad money for the
    spring yahd sales!

Well, it's snowing again out there.

1-3 inches overnight with another 1-2 inches during the day on
Wednesday.

Then there's the bigger Friday/Saturday storm.

/john

    now they're talking as much as 8" in Nashua...

    At 6AM the DC news said the next big storm coming tommorrow night into
    Friday leaves a window of opportunity {going to the grocery store}
    today and tommorrow.
    
    

Mebbe that's why DC city and U.S. gummint offices are closed again today.

    This wonderful (NOT) storm has left about 31" in my driveway...now I`m
    told there will be another 10" Fri/Sat. Well speaking for myself I`m
    sick and tired of it all.

    -1 you're speaking for me too!

    More snow heading our way tomorrow, 2-4".  You guys out east are really
    gonna get walluped though, if the forcasters have a clue.  Something to
    look forward to, eh?  8^)

I just gave up on trying to get the car up the driveway, and with great
difficulty put it back into the garage.

I had a 9:00 meeting; but apparently others are having trouble getting
in as well; I just got mail cancelling it.

Back in August I made an appointment for a check-up today (yes, this
was the earliest possible appointment for someone not deathly ill).
I'll probably have to walk the two miles to the doctor's office (after
making sure that he's in).

/john

 I got up early to head into work to catch up on stuff as I haven't been
 here for 3 days.  Took me 2 hours and I got here the time I usually do :-(




 Jim

As of this morning, the official total January snowfall at Boston was
32.2".  The previous record was 35.9", set in 1978.  Will we break it
today, or not until tomorrow or Friday?

The season total as of this morning was 60.4"; the record was 96.3" (1993-94).

/john

    You guys back east really got to get your snowstorms organized.  Here
    in Colorado this winter, negligible snow has landed in the front range
    cities whee we don't want it anyway, and lots of it (almost 100 inches
    in the past week) has been dumped up in the ski areas and mountains
    where we do want it.
    
    -- Jim

    Yea Jim, I really miss the snow------NOT. 
    
    I'm thinkin bout alls yous easterners while I stands in the bright
    sunshine, close to 60 degrees.

I've gotta get someone with a front-loader down to the bottom of my driveway
to lift out the mountain that's spreading over the end and making it
impossible to get a running start up the hill.  (It's sort of J-shaped,
with the garage at the short end of the J, and the long end going uphill
towards the middle of an intersection.)

/john

    You should install a winch at the top of your driveway and let it pull
    your car up.

    hth

There have been times where I've gotten so stuck trying to get out that I've
actually had to do that.  Really.  But the friend who had the winch doesn't
have it anymore (and is also still in a snit because he didn't get the part
he wanted in Princess Ida).

/john

    Get a bucket of sand.

Yeah, the kitty litter's getting a bit expensive.

    Keep a shovel in the car.  I used mine only this past Monday, when
    fetching my wife from the unplowed Pheasant Lane Mall parking lot.

Front loader is arranged for.  About $40.

/john

> Front loader is arranged for.  About $40.

HOLY SMOKES!!! Things are _EXPENSIVE_ down there!!!

The guy that clears my quarter-mile driveway plus parking/turn-around
area down here by the house uses a front end loader and only charges
me $25 per storm!

    
    
    That's because he uses a turnip truck, Jack....
    
    
    :)
    

    Well, I just received mail from someone containing an
    updated forecast - the band of heavy snow which was suppose
    to affect the coast has moved inland.  New estimates for
    Southern New Hampshire were on the order of 10-12 inches.
    
    Please, someone tell me this is wrong...... :-(

    I heard thhse winches didn't want to work under 70 degrees...sumthin'
    about NOW preventing them from doing this  :-)

Weather Conditions at 12 PM EST on 10 JAN 96 for Boston, MA.
Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather
========================================================================
   26          81%          NNW at 18       29.68      light snow

EASTERN NORFOLK-SOUTHEAST MIDDLESEX-SUFFOLK-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...CAMBRIDGE...WALTHAM...WOBURN...BOSTON...
QUINCY
1101 AM EST WED JAN 10 1996

 ..WINTER STORM WARNING THROUGH EARLY TONIGHT...
 THIS AFTERNOON...OCCASIONAL SNOW.  ACCUMULATION THROUGH SUNSET OF 4
TO 7 INCHES.  HIGH 25 TO 30.  NORTH WIND 10 TO 20 MPH INCREASING TO
15 TO 25 MPH.
 TONIGHT...WINDY WITH SNOW ENDING JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT WITH TOTAL
ACCUMULATION OF 5 TO 8 INCHES.  DRIFTING SNOW. CLEARING TOWARD
MORNING.  LOW 15 TO 20.  NORTH WIND 20 TO 30 MPH BECOMING NORTHWEST
15 TO 25 MPH LATE.
 THURSDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY.  HIGH AROUND 30.


                 ************************
                 Winter weather statement
                 ************************

WINTER STORM WARNING AND ADVISORY STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
1100 AM EST WED JAN 10 1996

 ..THE WINTER STORM WARNING HAS BEEN EXPANDED TO INCLUDE BOSTON...BUT
HAS BEEN CANCELLED OVER NANTUCKET AND MARTHAS VINEYARD...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS EXPANDED THE WINTER STORM WARNING TO
COVER SUFFOLK COUNTY...EASTERN NORFOLK COUNTY...AND THE REMAINDER OF
MIDDLESEX COUNTY.  THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF BOSTON...WOBURN...AND
QUINCY.  ACCUMULATIONS OF 4 TO 7 INCHES ARE EXPECTED BY SUNSET WITH
AN ADDITIONAL INCH OR TWO POSSIBLE EARLY TONIGHT.  

MEANWHILE...THE WARNING HAS BEEN CANCELLED FOR MARTHAS VINEYARD AND
NANTUCKET.  SNOW SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON MAY LEAVE AN INCH OR TWO OF
SNOW IN THESE AREAS...BUT HEAVIER ACCUMULATIONS ARE NO LONGER
EXPECTED.

A SNOW ADVISORY CONTINUES FOR THE REMAINING NORTHERN TWO THIRDS OF
THE BAY STATE...ROUGHLY ALONG AND NORTH OF THE TURNPIKE.  TOTAL
ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 4 INCHES ARE EXPECTED...WITH LOCALLY HEAVIER
AMOUNTS POSSIBLE NEAR WORCESTER.

IF YOU LIVE IN THESE AREAS AND NEED TO DRIVE THIS AFTERNOON...
ESPECIALLY DURING THE EVENING COMMUTE...LEAVE EARLY AND DRIVE WITH
CAUTION.

WTB 



                 ***********************
                 State extended forecast
                 ***********************
 EXTENDED FORECAST...
 FRIDAY...SNOW LIKELY LATE EXCEPT RAIN OR SNOW LIKELY ALONG THE
COAST.  LOWS ZERO TO 15 ABOVE INLAND AND TEENS TO LOWER 20S COAST.
HIGHS 25 TO 35.
 SATURDAY...CHANCE OF SNOW OR RAIN OTHERWISE PARTIAL CLEARING AND
WINDY LATE.  LOWS IN THE 20S.  HIGHS 25 TO 35.
 SUNDAY...FAIR.  LOWS 15 TO 25.  HIGHS 25 TO 35.
   The National Weather Service data is provided by the University of Michigan
Weather Underground project, National Science Foundation-funded Unidata project,
and Alden Electronics, Inc., and is for non-commercial use only.

Weather Conditions at 12 PM EST on 10 JAN 96 for Manchester, NH.
Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather
========================================================================
   23          95%          NNE at 13       N/A      moderate snow

CHESHIRE-HILLSBOROUGH-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...JAFFREY...KEENE...MANCHESTER...NASHUA
1102 AM EST WED JAN 10 1996

 ..WINTER STORM WARNING THIS AFTERNOON...
 THIS AFTERNOON...OCCASIONAL SNOW WITH TOTAL ACCUMULATION BY SUNSET
OF 4 TO 7 INCHES.  HIGH 20 TO 25.  NORTH WIND 10 TO 20 MPH.
 TONIGHT...FLURRIES EARLY OTHERWISE CLEARING.  LOW ZERO TO 5 ABOVE.
NORTH WIND 10 TO 20 MPH DIMINISHING LATE.
 THURSDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY.  HIGH AROUND 25.



                 ***********************

                 State extended forecast

                 ***********************

 EXTENDED FORECAST
 FRIDAY...FAIR.  LOW ZERO TO 15 BELOW NORTH AND ZERO TO 15 ABOVE SOUTH.
HIGH AROUND 20 NORTH AND IN THE 20S SOUTH.
 SATURDAY...SNOW LIKELY.  LOW ZERO TO 10 ABOVE NORTH AND 10 TO 20
SOUTH.  HIGH IN THE 20S NORTH AND UPPER 20S TO LOWER 30S SOUTH.
 SUNDAY...FAIR.  LOW ZERO TO 15 BELOW NORTH AND ZERO TO 15 ABOVE SOUTH.
HIGH 5 TO 15 NORTH AND 15 TO 25 SOUTH.
   The National Weather Service data is provided by the University of Michigan
Weather Underground project, National Science Foundation-funded Unidata project,
and Alden Electronics, Inc., and is for non-commercial use only.

    
    called my friends in salem mfg. 
    they sound absolutely miserable.
    
    friend in d.c. can't get milk and eggs since the grocery store
    hasn't received any.
    
    Dave
    

    well we here in networks engineering are only relatively miserable.

	The last storm cost 2 million in Boston. 21 million for NY. I hate
freakin snow!

	I wish another big storm hits northeast this weekend, another major
blizzard middle of next week, another record breaking noreaster next weekend,
and another severe one middle of....

	... week after week till it get to 400 inches of snow by April

	... winter after winter for another ten years..! 

	... get hit by one in the heat of summer every July


to the point that everyone here should get sick of this place and migrate 
en-masse to the warm more tolerable south/west, say Texas/Florida/LA. 

	Or I could just do that right now..! and why wait till the real-estate
soars up astronomically in rural Florida..! -):

    
    At the end of the street I live on, the snow is piled so high,
    I cannot see over it (and I'm a bit over 6' in height). The
    other side of the main road has no houses at all or streets
    which intersect it, but since it would make perfect sense to
    put the snow there, the plow drivers don't. As we all know, to
    get  a job driving a plow, one must take a test which proves
    his/her lack of ability to apply reason and common sense to any
    problem...
    
    I had to get out of my car, look to see if anything was coming,
    and then jump back in the car... not that I'm lazy, I'd be
    willing to do that indefinitely, but I know other people
    won't, and SOMEONE is going to end up getting smacked because
    they think the way to check if anything is coming is to stick
    the nose of their car out far enough to see...
    
    So tonight, when I get home, I'm going to get a shovel and
    head up the street to shovel down the mound as best I can...
    
    -b

    Speaking of shoveling down mounds- I have two monsters at the end of my
    driveway. Both over 6 feet high. I was prepared to climb the mounds and
    shovel them down tonight, because it's becoming increasingly difficult
    to shovel the end of my driveway. My wife called at noon to let me know
    that the guy whose land we now own sent one of his workers by with
    heavy equipment and they knocked the mounds back. Hooray!

    
    re. 495
    
    well...you can come out here to southern calif, it's around 80 degrees
    right now.
    
    but many would depart soon after one of our nice 6.0 earthshakers.
    
    ya just can't win with mother nature.
    
    Dave
    

    
    
    	Well I probably wouldn't be able to see the street from
    	my living room windows if it weren't for the DPW clearing
    	the snow out from the last storm.  There's only 4-5' from
    	my window to the street and the windows are only a couple
    	feet from the ground (if that).  Hopefully they'll do that
    	again after Saturday's storm.  Though I don't look forward
    	to being woken up at 6 am. on Sunday from the noise of the
    	front loaders.......
    

    
    	500 snowy replies.
    

    A man in our church (whose daughter is in my son's Sunday School
    class) had a bad encounter with his snowblower during one of the
    late-December snowstorms.
    
    He'd recently moved to Masachusetts from Texas, and is apparently
    experiencing his first real winter.  His snowblower clogged and got
    jammed.  He put the machine in neutral, and reached in with his hand to
    clear the jam from the "thrower" stage.  Unfortunately, putting it in
    neutral only stops the big lower "chopper" blade from turning, but the
    "thrower" mechanism was still engaged (and jammed).
    
    When his hand cleared the snow/ice, he lost one entire finger and
    most of two others.  Worse yet, it was his dominant (writing, etc.)
    hand.  Two other men were in the emergency room on the same night
    with similar snowblower-related injuries.
    
    Be careful out there!
    
    Chris

While I feel sorry for all of the men who spent time in the emergency
room due to lost fingers, I really wonder how much sense it takes to
realize that you shouldn't put body parts anywhere near the business
end of an empowered piece of power equipment.

    I know, I had the same reaction.  And even if "neutral" did happen
    to disengage the "thrower" stage (or whatever it's called; I only
    have a little single-stage blower), I'd *still* shut the damned
    thing off before inserting anything, and even then it wouldn't be
    a body part.  I've never met a machine that I could trust...
    
    Chris

    Neutral on my snowthrower desn't disengage the snowthrower attachment
    at all - it just removes power from the wheels.  Everything at the
    front end just keeps right on spinning.
    
    But then my snowthrower is 22 years old, having been built before the
    cradle-to-grave crowd in the CPSC passed laws saying that homeowners
    need not have brains.  I'll keep using this machine until it falls
    apart - and then I'll probably patch it up and use it some more.  I've
    already re-engined it once.

	The damn weather cancels a meeting I was supposed to have tonight. To
think I came in today because of this meeting. I had a doctors appointment in
the morning. Grrrrrrr..... Mother Nature has got to be brought to court!

re .479:

>I've gotta get someone with a front-loader down to the bottom of my driveway
>to lift out the mountain that's spreading over the end and making it
>impossible to get a running start up the hill.  (It's sort of J-shaped,

Yesterday at about 6:00 AM a front end loader showed up at my place, cleaned
up after the last pass of the plow and knocked back the 2 6' high piles
at either side of the driveway, then left.  Still not sure who it was although
I believe it was my tax $ at work.

Speaking of winter, and snow, and plowed snow...

Why is it that Boston has such a huge problem figuring out where to
put all of the snow? Is there really something wrong with dropping it
in the ocean to their right, open 24 hours-a-day?

Pete

Trucking snow to the ocean is much more expensive than pushing it somewhere.

  > Why is it that Boston has such a huge problem figuring out where to
  > put all of the snow? Is there really something wrong with dropping it
  > in the ocean to their right, open 24 hours-a-day?
    
    Believe it or not, it is illegal to do so under the act of
    congress which gave us the money to clean up Bawston Habah.
    There you have you it, environmentalism in action.
    
    -b

	Brian, that's because the salt that is in the snow is not good for the
water, the asphalt, the rocks, and whatever trash gets put into piles of snow.
That is why they don't dump it into the habor. Although this past week one
trucking company did do that, and were fined.

	As far as where they can put it goes.... they gave dumping areas, but
it is expensive to do. What they need to do is post something in every
neighborhood that they're coming by on such and such a day, between the housr
of such and such, and that they must have their cars off the street, or be
towed. This way they can plow right down to the sidewalks. Of course that will
be expensive as well. :-) But it would make me happy! :-)

They do dump snow into the harbor in NYC.

    There you go Glen, If you want your asphalt, swim in NYC haabaaa.

re .510:

>	Brian, that's because the salt that is in the snow is not good for the
>water, the asphalt, the rocks, and whatever trash gets put into piles of snow.

Well you certainly don't want to let any salt get into the ocean!


Maynard doesn't seem to have any problem with dumping snow into the river
there (or at least they didn't a couple years ago).

Sounds similar to it being environmentally unfriendly by burying
torn-up asphalt if you re-do your driveway. I mean, if asphalt is so
bad for the earth, why is it OK to use it for roads? Isn't that
equivalent to burying it?

I don't think a little salt would hurt the ocean, either. Navy (for
that matter, all) ships dump their refuse there, and isn't some trash
barged out to sea from land and dumped? I think it's an example of
over-reaction and over-regulation.

Don't get me wrong: I don't think it's good to dump trash in the
ocean. I just think that categorizing snow as hazardous or toxic is
beyond reasonable.

Pete

    Well Pete, Montreal used to dump snow into the St. Lawrence river, but
    it polluted the river so badly, they had to stop the practice. You're
    essentially taking not only the road salt, but all of the dirt off the
    streets and dumping it into the water. It's not good.

>>I've gotta get someone with a front-loader down to the bottom of my driveway
>>to lift out the mountain that's spreading over the end and making it
>>impossible to get a running start up the hill.  (It's sort of J-shaped,
>
>Yesterday at about 6:00 AM a front end loader showed up at my place, cleaned
>up after the last pass of the plow and knocked back the 2 6' high piles
>at either side of the driveway, then left.  Still not sure who it was although
>I believe it was my tax $ at work.

That happened here, too, at the top of my driveway.  But the bottom is 150
feet from the road, and the town is not likely to do anything about it.

/john

Gunmen steal man's snow blower during blizzard
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Copyright � 1996 Nando.net
Copyright � 1996 The Associated Press

NEW YORK (Jan 10, 1996 8:16 p.m. EST) -- Call it a snow-jacking.

Two gunmen stole Robert DeJesus' brand new snow blower early Monday morning,
just as the blizzard was blitzing the city.

"I still can't get over it, and I've lived in New York City my whole life,"
DeJesus, a superintendent of a Bronx apartment building, said in today's
Daily News.

He said he and his 17-year-old nephew were trying to clear the front of his
building at about 12:45 a.m. when two armed men hopped out of a brown van
and said they were taking the $400 machine.

"The guy had a hood over his head and a scarf around his face," DeJesus
said. "All I could see was the 9mm (pistol)."

DeJesus, 38, said he's hoping the building's management will replace the
snow blower, which was bought just last month.

"The snow blower worked fantastic -- anything beats shoveling," DeJesus
said.

re .509:

Turns out the MA dept of environment conservation will allow them to dump snow
into the ocean, but "only as a last resort", according to the Glob.

Maybe they want to protect the salt water ocean from the fresh water snow
(they didn't get a chance to salt much)

    It is normally illegal to dump snow in any of the bays, rivers,
    harbours in N.Y./N.J. arae but because a state of emergency was
    declared they were able to dump the snow into the ocean, rivers, bays
    etc, etc.
    
    If caught driving in the snow you were fined $100.00 and points on your
    licence.

    
    
    <------
    
    >If caught driving in the snow you were fined $100.00 and points on
    >your licence.
    
    
    Ahhh yes... the land of the free and the home of the brave...
    

The Atlanta Braves?

	The Sox trade for Wil Cordero yesterday. He is only 24 years old, and
will play 2nd base. Of course he has a tear in his throwing shoulder.....

    It's snowing again.  Predicted 4-7" here (of course, they also
    predicted it wouldn't start snowing until later this evening- they
    missed by about 12 hours or so).  My car has a nice white layer on it 
    already.
    
    I imagine this same storm will dump a foot or so on the east coast. 
    8^)

    there minor other miserable nasties in plowed snow, like motor oil
    gasoline, antifreeze and whatever other chemicals people dump on the
    road.  This also gets picked up in the snow when a road is plowed. 
    Salt is not so much the issue as this other stuff.  Now if we could
    make cars and bikes that didn't leak oil, slough tire compounds onto
    the pavement, or otherwise spew noxious substances on the roads then
    there could be a reasonable arguement about where it winds up.  Yew, I
    know if this stuff melts suddenly it will wind up in your rivers and
    ocean with no treatment, but I think the hope is that it will thaw
    slowly enough for the water to leach through the ground, (actually a
    not bad filter) or to hit the storm sewers where I would imagin it goes
    somewhere for at least minimal treatment.  
    

    
    re: .521
    
    Atta boy!!!! Don't let reading comprehension ever stand in your way!!!!
    
    Oh? You were trying to be quippy???   Never mind....
    

	Andy, I think deep down inside (very very deep), hidden behind the
anger that runs fluid in your veins, you like me. 


Glen

Weather Conditions at 6 AM EST on 11 JAN 96 for Boston, MA.
Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather
========================================================================
   16          61%          WNW at 14       30.06      Clear

EASTERN ESSEX-EASTERN NORFOLK-SOUTHEAST MIDDLESEX-SUFFOLK-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...GLOUCESTER...LYNN...SALEM...CAMBRIDGE...
WALTHAM...WOBURN...BOSTON...QUINCY
418 AM EST THU JAN 11 1996

 ..WINTER STORM WATCH FRIDAY AFTERNOON...
 TODAY...SUNNY BUT SOME HIGH CLOUDINESS LATE.  HIGH 30 TO 35.  A
BRISK NORTHWEST WIND OF 15 TO 25 MPH DIMINISHING THIS AFTERNOON.
 TONIGHT...INCREASING CLOUDS.  LOW AROUND 20.  LIGHT WIND.
 FRIDAY...SNOW DEVELOPING DURING MIDDAY MAY BECOME HEAVY TOWARD
EVENING AS A BRISK NORTHEAST WIND DEVELOPS.  HIGH 30 TO 35.



                 ***********************

                 State extended forecast

                 ***********************

 EXTENDED FORECAST...
 FRIDAY NIGHT...SNOW...POSSIBLY HEAVY.  SNOW OR A MIX WITH SLEET AND
RAIN ALONG THE COAST.  LOWS 25 TO 35. 
 SATURDAY...CHANCE OF SNOW OR DRIZZLE EARLY THEN PARTIAL CLEARING AND
BECOMING WINDY FOR A TIME.  HIGHS 30 TO 40. 
 SUNDAY...CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS.  LOWS 15 TO 25.  HIGHS 25 TO 35.
 MONDAY...FAIR.  LOWS ZERO TO 10 ABOVE.  HIGHS 20 TO 30. 
   The National Weather Service data is provided by the University of Michigan
Weather Underground project, National Science Foundation-funded Unidata project,
and Alden Electronics, Inc., and is for non-commercial use only.

    .522
    Where is "here"?

	Cincinnati, I believe

    .528
    Thanks, now I know how (roughly) long it will take to hit here in
    northern N.J. 

Weather Conditions at 9 AM EST on 11 JAN 96 for Cincinnati, OH.
Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather
========================================================================
   19          84%         EAST at 10       30.07      Overcast

BROWN-BUTLER-CLERMONT-CLINTON-HAMILTON-HIGHLAND-WARREN-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WILMINGTON...CINCINNATI
408 AM EST THU JAN 11 1996

 ..HEAVY SNOW WARNING THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...
 TODAY...SNOW DEVELOPING. SNOW COULD BE HEAVY THIS AFTERNOON. SNOW
ACCUMULATING AROUND 2 INCHES. HIGH NEAR 30. SOUTHEAST WINDS 10 TO 15
MPH. CHANCE OF SNOW IS 100 PERCENT.
 TONIGHT...SNOW DECREASING. SNOW ACCUMULATING AROUND 2 INCHES WITH A
STORM TOTAL AROUND 4 INCHES. LOW 20 TO 25. WINDS BECOMING NORTHWEST AT
10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF SNOW IS NEAR 100 PERCENT.
 FRIDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A HIGH IN THE LOWER 30S.


                 *************************
                 Special weather statement
                 *************************
058-059-066-073>075-080-111700-

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT...CORRECTION...
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH
510 AM EST THU JAN 11 1996

 ..A HEAVY SNOW WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR SOUTHWEST OHIO AND NORTHERN
KENTUCKY THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...

 ..A SNOW ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR CENTRAL OHIO AND SOUTHEAST INDIANA
THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...

A STORM MOVING OUT OF THE MIDDLE PART OF THE COUNTRY WILL MOVE TO
KENTUCKY BY THIS EVENING. THIS STORM WILL SPREAD LIGHT SNOW INTO
SOUTHEAST INDIANA.. SOUTHWEST OHIO.. AND NORTHERN KENTUCKY DURING THE
MORNING HOURS.  HOWEVER... SNOW WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE REST
OF WEST CENTRAL SOUTHERN OHIO AND NORTHERN KENTUCKY THIS AFTERNOON.
SNOW ACCUMULATION BY NOON ARE EXPECTED TO BE AN INCH OR LESS WITH
HIGHER AMOUNTS OF 3 TO 4" EXPECTED IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY/SOUTH OHIO BY
EVENING.. AND POSSIBLY HIGHER AMOUNTS INTO SOUTHEAST INDIANA. THE SNOW
WILL END WEST TO EAST BEFORE MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.


ROAD CONDITIONS WILL DETERIORATE AFTER MIDDAY WITH HAZARDOUS DRIVING
CONDITIONS EXPECTED FOR THE AFTERNOON RUSH HOUR.  BE PREPARED TO TAKE
EXTRA TIME TO ARRIVE AT YOUR DESTINATION DURING THE AFTERNOON AND
EVENING HOURS.  STAY TUNED TO YOUR LOCAL MEDIA AND NOAA WEATHER 
RADIO FOR FURTHER UPDATES ON THIS STORM SYSTEM.


 ..CORRECTED FOR HEADER...

MANOUSOS




                 ************************
                 Winter weather statement
                 ************************
HEAVY SNOW WARNING/SNOW ADVISORY
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH
420 AM EST THU JAN 11 1996

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED A HEAVY SNOW WARNING FOR THIS
AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT FOR THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES:

IN OHIO:

ADAMS                    BROWN                    BUTLER
CLERMONT                 CLINTON                  FAYETTE
GREENE                   HAMILTON                 HIGHLAND
MONTGOMERY               PIKE                     PREBLE
ROSS                     SCIOTO                   WARREN

A SNOW ADVISORY HAS ALSO BEEN ISSUED FOR THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT FOR
THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES: 

IN OHIO:
     
CHAMPAIGN                CLARK                    DARKE
DELAWARE                 FAIRFIELD                FRANKLIN
HOCKING                  LICKING                  MADISON
MIAMI                    PICKAWAY                 UNION
  
A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM OVER THE MISSOURI VALLEY WILL TRACK TO THE EAST
TODAY...REACHING THE TENNESSEE VALLEY BY THIS EVENING.  THIS LOW WILL
MIGRATE TO THE MID ATLANTIC COAST TONIGHT.

TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THIS LOW...SNOW WILL SPREAD INTO THE OHIO
VALLEY LATE THIS MORNING AND THEN INTENSIFY DURING THE AFTERNOON.  SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS BY EVENING WILL BE 1 TO 2 INCHES OVER WEST CENTRAL AND
SOUTHWEST OHIO AND AROUND AN INCH ACROSS CENTRAL OHIO.

SNOW...POSSIBLY HEAVY AT TIMES...WILL CONTINUE TONIGHT.  TOTAL STORM
ACCUMULATIONS WILL RANGE FROM 2 TO 3 INCHES ACROSS WEST CENTRAL AND
CENTAL OHIO TO AROUND 4 INCHES OVER SOUTHWEST OHIO.  
 
IF YOU PLAN TO TRAVEL TODAY OR TONIGHT...STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER
RADIO OR THE LOCAL MEDIA FOR THE LASTEST WEATHER INFORMATION.   

BARJENBRUCH



                 ***********************
                 State extended forecast
                 ***********************
 EXTENDED FORECAST...
 FRIDAY NIGHT...A CHANCE OF SNOW OR FREEZING DRIZZLE. LOWS IN THE 20S.
 SATURDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY SOUTH. A CHANCE OF SNOW OR FREEZING
DRIZZLE NORTH. HIGHS FROM THE LOWER 30S NORTHEAST TO AROUND 40
SOUTH.
 SUNDAY...CHANCE OF SNOW NORTH. DRY ELSEWHERE. LOWS IN THE MID 20S
TO LOWER 30S.  HIGHS FROM THE LOWER 30S NORTHEAST TO THE LOWER 40S
SOUTH.
 MONDAY...DRY. LOWS 15 TO 20 NORTH AND 25 TO 30 SOUTH. HIGHS 30 TO 35
NORTH AND LOWER 40S SOUTH.

KIELTYKA


   The National Weather Service data is provided by the University of Michigan
Weather Underground project, National Science Foundation-funded Unidata project,
and Alden Electronics, Inc., and is for non-commercial use only.

Don't like the snow?

Move to Alaska.  They haven't had hardly any.


Phil

>    Thanks, now I know how (roughly) long it will take to hit here in
>    northern N.J. 

I think this storm is supposed to take the long route, going south first,
to pick up more power and moisture, and then head up the coast.

/john

    
    .531
    
    Confusing use of negative alert.
    

    .532
    Yep, its headed south first then head up the coast. Should pick up
    stength and dump lots more snow for here. Should see first flake (snow
    that is) before I leave for work about 5:00 a.m. 

Weather Conditions at 9 AM EST on 11 JAN 96 for Newark, NJ.
Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather
========================================================================
   18          56%          NNW at 11       30.22      N/A

CORRECTED
HUDSON-
400 AM EST THU JAN 11 1996

 TODAY...PARTLY SUNNY. HIGH AROUND 30. WIND NORTHWEST 10 TO 15 MPH
THIS MORNING DIMINISHING TO AROUND 10 MPH DURING THE AFTERNOON.
 TONIGHT...THICKENING CLOUDINESS WITH A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF SNOW
TOWARD MORNING. LOW IN THE MID 20S. WIND NORTHEAST 5 TO 10 MPH.
 FRIDAY...CLOUDY WITH SNOW DEVELOPING. SNOW WILL MIX WITH SLEET
AND FREEZING RAIN DURING THE AFTERNOON. HIGH IN THE LOWER 30S. CHANCE
OF PRECIPITATION 80 PERCENT.


                 *************************
                 Special weather statement
                 *************************

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT AND WEATHER MAP DISCUSSION FOR EXTREME
SOUTHEASTERN NEW YORK...NORTHEASTERN NEW JERSEY AND
SOUTHERN CONNECTICUT...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
420 AM EST THU JAN 11 1996

 ..ANOTHER WINTER STORM MAY BE HEADED FOR THE TRI-STATE REGION
FRIDAY...

LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPING ALONG THE SOUTHEAST COAST FRIDAY MORNING WILL
MOVE NORTHEAST...BRINGING WITH IT ANOTHER ROUND OF WINTERY WEATHER
FOR THE AREA.

HIGH CLOUDINESS WILL INCREASE DURING THE DAY TODAY AS WEAK HIGH
PRESSURE BUILDS ACROSS THE REGION FROM UPSTATE NEW YORK. TEMPERATURES
TODAY WILL CONTINUE BELOW NORMAL AS NORTHWEST WINDS DIMINISH DURING
THE MORNING INTO THE AFTERNOON HOURS.

THE HIGH WILL MOVE INTO NEW ENGLAND TONIGHT AS LOW PRESSURE OVER THE
SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES STARTS TO FORM. CLOUDS WILL THICKEN OVERNIGHT
IN RESPONSE TO THE DEVELOPING LOW. LIGHT SNOW WILL DEVELOP FROM
SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST DURING THE OVERNIGHT...POSSIBLY REACHING THE
REGION BEFORE MORNING. TEMPERATURES OVERNIGHT WILL DROP BELOW
FREEZING IN ALL AREAS AS WINDS BECOME LIGHT.

THE WEATHER PICTURE FOR FRIDAY IS STILL SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN. TWO
POSSIBLE TRACKS FOR THE STORM ARE INDICATED...EACH WITH VERY 
DIFFERENT IMPACTS FOR THE REGION. 

IF THE STORM HUGS THE COAST...AN EAST WIND WILL ALLOW MILDER AIR FROM
THE OCEAN TO FILTER INTO NEW YORK CITY AND LONG ISLAND. THIS WOULD
CHANGE THE SNOW TO SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN...AND POSSIBLY EVEN RAIN
OVER THE TWIN FORKS REGION OF LONG ISLAND...DURING THE AFTERNOON. AN
ACCUMULATION OF SNOW WOULD THEN BE FOLLOWED BY SOME ICING...BEFORE
ANY CHANGE TO RAIN COULD OCCUR.

WELL INLAND...SNOW DEVELOPING IN THE MORNING WOULD MIX WITH SLEET 
AND FREEZING RAIN LATE IN THE DAY...WITH A FEW INCHES OF SNOW
POSSIBLE BEFORE A MIX.

IF THE STORM MOVES SOUTH OF THE REGION...THE COLDER AIR WOULD BE ABLE
TO REMAIN IN PLACE OVER THE REGION...BUT PRECIPITATION AMOUNTS WOULD
BE LESS. THE HEAVIEST PRECIPITATION WOULD FALL ACROSS THE CENTRAL AND
SOUTHERN NEW JERSEY WITH LIGHTER SNOWFALL AMOUNTS ACROSS OUR REGION.

IN ANY EVENT...THE HEAVIEST OF THE PRECIPITATION WILL ARRIVE IN THE
REGION DURING THE AFTERNOON FRIDAY INTO FRIDAY NIGHT. SINCE
TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE REGION WILL BE CLOSE TO OR EVEN ABOVE
FREEZING...ANY SNOW THAT FALLS WILL BE WET...ADDING WEIGHT TO
STRUCTURES ALREADY CARRYING A LARGE AMOUNT OF SNOW. ANY ICE THAT
ACCUMULATES WOULD ONLY AGGRAVATE THE SITUATION.

AS THE LOW DEVELOPS FURTHER LATE FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT...THE
PRECIPITATION WOULD REMAIN A MIX AND EVEN RAIN CLOSE TO THE COAST...
WITH A MIX OF SNOW...SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN WELL INLAND.

AS IS THE CASE WITH MOST COASTAL STORMS....THE EXACT TRACK OF THE
STORM AND ITS FINAL STRENGTH WILL DETERMINE THE AMOUNT AND TYPE OF
WINTERY PRECIPITATION. IN ADDITION...THE PROXIMITY OF THE STORM TO
THE COAST WILL ALSO RAISE THE POSSIBILITY OF WINDY CONDITIONS...
ESPECIALLY ALONG THE COAST...WHERE SOME BEACH EROSION IS POSSIBLE
LATE FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT.

LISTEN TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...THE VOICE OF THE NATIONAL WEATHER
SERVICE...OR COMMERCIAL TELEVISION OR RADIO FOR FURTHER UPDATES AND
POSSIBLE WINTER STORM WATCHES FOR THE PENDING WINTER WEATHER FRIDAY.

HAYES



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                 State extended forecast
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 EXTENDED FORECAST...

 FRIDAY NIGHT...A WINTRY MIX ALONG THE COAST...SNOW INLAND. LOWS
FROM THE MID 20S INLAND TO AROUND 30 NEAR THE COAST.
 SATURDAY...A WINTRY MIX ALONG THE COAST...SNOW INLAND. 
PRECIPITATION ENDING DURING THE DAY. HIGHS FROM THE UPPER 20S INLAND
TO LOWER 30S NEAR THE COAST.
 SUNDAY...FAIR. LOWS 15 TO 25. HIGHS 25 TO 35.
 MONDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY AND COLDER. LOWS 5 TO 15 ABOVE. HIGHS IN THE
20S.

HAYES



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	John, why not just log into the weather page? Then you could post the
radar image as well! :-)

    >They haven't had hardly any.
    
     So they've had a lot, then?

    
    <------
    
    So wouldn't I....
    

re .523:

Lots of cities don't have separate storm sewers, so a quick melt overwhelms
the treatment plants.  I think those that do have separate storm sewers
don't treat the effluent thereof.

    Seems that I jumped the gun a bit.  Though we got about an inch of snow
    this morning, it was only a "rogue" snow cloud that got us.  The real
    storm is still to the west, but will be here tonight (I assume at rush
    hour).  So, the weather man wasn't off by 12 hours after all.  8^)
    
    -steve

    
    out here in L.A. they called the current approching storm..
    
    "The monster snow storm"
    
    typical Hollywood.
    
    stock up on beer.
    
    Dave
    
    

RE:  assorted.

Don't like the snow?

Move to Alaska.  They have had very little snow this winter.

==================================================================
Better?


Phil

    
    phew!
    

    
    	I don't mind the snow, though I did mind the fact that
    	work was not closed on Monday.  I did not have fun driving
    	to and from work in the blizzard, especially with a non-functional
    	driver's side windshield wiper.
    
    	We succumbed to Monday's storm and paid to have our driveway
    	plowed.  This guy even came back on Tuesday with his snowblower
    	to get what he couldn't push with his plow (snow drifts by the
    	driveway were already over 4 feet high).
    
    	Shoveling last night was easy enough, except that I had to throw
    	the snow onto six-foot snowbanks.  I even managed to find my
    	mail box again!
    
    	

	Karen, was your mailbox where you left it? Or did the regular plows
bring it down the street? :-)

    
    
    
    It ain't the heat, it's the humidity...........

According to my friends in Fairbanks, they really don't get much snow there.
Of course, whatever they get sticks around because it's so cold.

    So this winter you've dug less Fairbanks?

    .549
    
    he's unbelievable.

    Unbearable too.

    
    	It's gotta be a conspiracy ... all these people working in synch
    	with Colin so he gets most of the witty replies.
    
    	No one can be that funny all by himself.
    	

    It's a call-in show.

    I've never had so many straight men before.

    
    <------ Glen wishes he had said that!

    
    clinton is offering fema help to all the states that apply to help get 
    unsnowed.
    
    he didn't mention Mass or New Hampshire, as having requested
    assistance.
    
    Maryland..New York...etc.
    
    
    

I doubt that Mass & NH have considered the recent storms to be beyond what
they can handle.

Beyond what was budgeted, but not beyond handling capacity.

/john

    >> clinton is offering fema help...
    
    Oh yeah?... Well, I say let the men shovel too!
    
    
    >> he didn't mention Mass or New Hampshire, as having requested
    >> assistance.
    
    Wait'll he tries to come up here for another vacation then... he'll
    have to bring his shovel, after he rinses it off that is.
    
    Chris

	Mark... you are correct, sir!

    >I've never had so many straight men before.
    
     This a quote from Melissa Etheridge?

    All right! All right!  I'll send her a dollar too.

    
    <------  you should take lessons from POL, Colin.

    Snowing like gangbusters in DC, almost whitout conditions, forecasted
    just revised upwards to possibly 10" before changing to ice/sleet/rain
    mid-afternoon.  Glad we decided to stay home today.  DC metro has only
    about 70% of its trains running, the road conditions in the district
    are deplorable and they're out of money and manpower, and the MD road
    conditions are worsening with many accidents reported.  There is no
    place to put the snow, and the government officials are looking at
    hauling it away.  Haven't seen a 5 day forecast, but a few days in the
    40's would be very welcome!
    
    NR

    
    after new england gets hit again this weekend, they are supposed to see
    50 by Monday, that is, if the weather people are correct for a change.

    We are supposed to see 40's tomorrow and Sunday and 0 to 10 on Monday. 
    Next week will be frrreeezzzzinggg
    

    Heard on the news last night that Ottawa has had a total of 6 feet of
    snow so far this season!
    
    {gwargle}

Weather Conditions at 9 AM EST on 12 JAN 96 for Boston, MA.
Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather
========================================================================
   24          74%           NE at 10       30.12      Overcast

EASTERN NORFOLK-SUFFOLK-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BOSTON...QUINCY
439 AM EST FRI JAN 12 1996

 ..WINTER STORM WARNING THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING...
 TODAY...CLOUDY WITH SNOW DEVELOPING DURING THE AFTERNOON.  AN INCH
OR TWO ACCUMULATION POSSIBLE BY EVENING.  HIGH AROUND 30.  EAST WIND
INCREASING TO 10 TO 20 MPH.
 TONIGHT...SNOW...HEAVY AT TIMES WITH ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATIONS THEN
THE SNOW CHANGING TO RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN.  WINDY.  POSSIBLE
FLOODING IN POOR DRAINAGE AREAS.  TEMPERATURES RISING TO THE MID 30S.
EAST WIND 15 TO 20 MPH.
 SATURDAY...RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN ENDING.  CLOUDY AND BRISK.  HIGH 35
TO 40.



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                 Winter weather statement

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WINTER STORM WARNING...CORRECTION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
630 AM EST FRI JAN 12 1996

 ..A WINTER STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH
SATURDAY MORNING FOR ALL OF RHODE ISLAND...ALL OF MASSACHUSETTS
EXCEPT THE BERKSHIRES....AND ALL OF NORTHERN CONNECTICUT EXCEPT
LITCHFIELD COUNTY...

 ..A WINTER STORM WATCH CONTINUES IN EFFECT TONIGHT AND SATURDAY
MORNING FOR SOUTHWESTERN AND SOUTH CENTRAL NEW HAMPSHIRE...

SNOW WILL DEVELOP THIS AFTERNOON OVER SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND..AND THIS
EVENING OVER SOUTH WESTERN AND SOUTH CENTRAL NEW HAMPSHIRE.  THE SNOW
WILL BECOME HEAVY AT TIMES LATE THIS AFTERNOON...AND MUCH OF TONIGHT
OVER INLAND AREAS.  THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL PROBABLY OCCUR BETWEEN 5
PM TODAY AND 5 AM SATURDAY WHEN 6 INCHES OR MORE SHOULD FALL WEST OF
INTERSTATE 495 IN MASSACHUSETTS AND ACROSS PARTS OF NORTHERN RHODE
ISLAND AND NORTHERN CONNECTICUT.  A MIXTURE OF SLEET SNOW AND
FREEZING RAIN OVER INLAND SECTIONS IS POSSIBLE AFTER MIDNIGHT.

ACROSS EASTERN MASSACHUSETTS AND SOUTHERN RHODE ISLAND...THE SNOW
WILL CHANCE TO SLEET AND THEN FREEZING RAIN OR PLAIN RAIN.  BEFORE
THE CHANGEOVER...THE SNOWFALL IN THIS AREA WILL RANGE FROM PERHAPS AN
INCH OR TWO ACROSS CAPE COD....TO PERHAPS 4 OR 5 INCHES IN
NORTHEASTERN MASSACHUSETTS.

THE CHANGEOVER TO RAIN WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS.  THE WEIGHT
OF THE RAIN ADDED TO THE SNOW ON ROOF TOPS WILL PRODUCE HIGH WEIGHT
LOADS ON ROOFS.  THE RAIN AND SNOW MELT COULD CAUSE STREET FLOODING
AND FLOODING IN OTHER POOR DRAINAGE AREAS BECAUSE MANY STORM DRAINS
ARE PLUGGED WITH SNOW.  IF TEMPERATURES STAY BELOW FREEZING THROUGH
TONIGHT...FREEZING RAIN WILL MAKE TRAVELLING TREACHEROUS AT BEST.

LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPING OVER SOUTH CAROLINA THIS MORNING WILL
STEADILY INTENSIFY AS IT MOVES TO NEAR DELAWARE BAY THIS
EVENING...AND ACROSS EASTERN MASSACHUSETTS TONIGHT.

JRS...CORRECTION FOR MASS MEDIA HEADING DATE/TIME




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                 State extended forecast

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 EXTENDED FORECAST...
 SUNDAY...CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS.  LOWS 15 TO 25.  HIGHS 25 TO 35.
 MONDAY...CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS.  LOWS 10 TO 20.  HIGHS 20 TO 30.
 TUESDAY...FAIR.  LOWS 5 TO 15.  HIGHS MAINLY IN THE 20S.
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Weather Underground project, National Science Foundation-funded Unidata project,
and Alden Electronics, Inc., and is for non-commercial use only.

    Forcast for Colorado Springs, Sunny, 63 degrees.