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Conference back40::soapbox

Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
Notice:No more new notes
Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:862
Total number of notes:339684

517.0. "The Box Web Page Discussion Topic" by SMURF::BINDER (Night's candles are burnt out.) Fri Aug 11 1995 13:05

    This note is intended for discussion of the SOAPBOX WWW page, located
    at this URL:
    
    	http://www.zk3.dec.com/~binder/soapbox.html
    
    Subjects of discussion can include suggestions for the page, reports of
    problems about it, and questions.
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517.1SMURF::BINDERNight's candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 13:1024
           <<< BACK40::BACK40$DKA500:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SOAPBOX.NOTE;1 >>>
                          -< Soapbox.  Just Soapbox. >-
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Note 11.7448                  Things to Like Today                  7448 of 7449
DECWIN::RALTO "Stay in bed, float upstream"          11 lines  11-AUG-1995 11:52
                        -< Box denizens in hibernation >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    The "box denizens" link (or whatever it's called) doesn't seem
    to point anywhere.  At least from VMS Mosaic...
    
    Maybe we should have a photo of Simon Szeto on the home page
    or the early history page.
    
    And, as for history, the events of 1988 were at least as interesting
    as anything that happened before that.  But no way would I write
    that up, mainly because I don't know all of it.  :-)
    
    Chris
    
    ********************
    
    It appears that Mosaic may be more sensitive than Netscape to certain
    syntactical anomalies in the HTML.  I fixed a missing quotation mark;
    the link to the denizens page will now resolve correctly.
517.2TROOA::COLLINSCareful! That sponge has corners!Fri Aug 11 1995 13:108
    
    How about:
    
    - An address (postal-type) for mailing photos?
    
    - hyperlinks to websites often quoted here, like the Congressional
      site, etc.
    
517.3SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 13:2011
    Address for mailing photos:
    
    	Dick Binder
    	ZKO3-3/Y32
    
    Please include your DTN, cube number or other identifying info,
    mailstop, and email address (DECnet, TCP/IP).
    
    Adding links to oft-quoted Websites is a good idea.  I don't have my
    finger on the pulse of each recommended URL - please request here that
    a given URL be added.  I'll put up an item for this very shortly.
517.4CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanFri Aug 11 1995 13:2511


 I can't get in there via mosaic.






 JIm
517.5Wanted for first-degree interstate discussionDECWIN::RALTOStay in bed, float upstreamFri Aug 11 1995 13:3812
    >> It appears that Mosaic may be more sensitive than Netscape to certain
    >> syntactical anomalies in the HTML.  I fixed a missing quotation mark;
    >> the link to the denizens page will now resolve correctly.
    
    Okay, this works fine for me now, thanks.
    
    BTW, somehow it's funny that the first "Web site relevant to SOAPBOX
    discussions" is the FBI.  Maybe box denizens will show up on a post
    office wanted poster soon.  The scanned-in pics will sure come in
    handy then.
    
    Chris
517.6COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Aug 11 1995 13:444
I wonder if there's an easy way to automate addition of any "interesting WWW
pages" posted in topic 87.

/john
517.7SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 13:513
    Not easy.  Doable.  But not all "interesting" pages are useful or
    relevant.  I'd like to keep the noise level down just a little, if
    possible.
517.8COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Aug 11 1995 13:533
Well, it could be a separate page:  "The topic 87 links".

/john
517.9CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanFri Aug 11 1995 13:5611


 I finally was able to get in there.  Pretty neat.  wonder if I should send
 my picture...





 Jim
517.10MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryFri Aug 11 1995 14:008
    
    i've decided to provide dart-board fodder to the mineral contingent.
    so as soon as the gestation process is completed by my local cvs,
    picies of your fave reich winger will be made available to herr
    bimder, disproving, once and for all, tom davis' assertion that
    i am a 10.
    
    -b 
517.11MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Fri Aug 11 1995 14:033
> wonder if I should send my picture...

But of course.
517.12GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA memberFri Aug 11 1995 14:049
    
    
    Just was able to get to see the page.  Richardson has a heck of a
    sunburn.....
    
    The babes look as lovely as ever.  
    
    
    Mike
517.13EDSCLU::JAYAKUMARFri Aug 11 1995 14:096
Can't get in!

>>>Can't Access Document: http://www.zk3.dec.com/~binder/soapbox.html. 

>>Reason: System call `connect' failed: Host is unreachable. 

517.14COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Aug 11 1995 14:113
re .13 Bad luck.

Try again.
517.15POLAR::RICHARDSONFirsthand Bla Bla BlaFri Aug 11 1995 14:111
    ugh.
517.16SCAS01::GUINEO::MOOREOutta my way. IT&#039;S ME !Fri Aug 11 1995 14:152
    
    Using MOSAIC, Mr. Bill looks like an alien from another planet.
517.1743GMC::KEITHDr. DeuceFri Aug 11 1995 14:164
    I have been running 2 WWW pages under different processes. I now have
    different HOTLISTS. Is there any way to merge them?
    
    Steve
517.18SPSEG::COVINGTONWhen the going gets weird...Fri Aug 11 1995 14:557
    .17
    Quit both processes (Mosaic, right?)
    
    When you restart both, you should be all set. Same thing happened to
    me. (Can't remember iffn I had to reboot or not.)
    
    Ain't VMS wunnerful?
517.19SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 14:573
    .8
    
    Done.
517.20MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalFri Aug 11 1995 14:581
    I wish it would work for me!
517.21On how to point to topic 87 -- c'est tout simple... vo�l�:DRDAN::KALIKOWW3: Surf-it 2 Surfeit!Fri Aug 11 1995 15:0121
    <html>
    <head>
    <title>Your Ticket to the LoonyBin...</title>
    </head>
    <body>
    Just convert this leetle bit of Majick HTMLFroot into a file FROOT.HTML
    , point your handy-dandy WebBrowser at it (you can use the LOCAL FILE
    access capability thereof) and then a miracle happens... when you
    <a href="http://www-notes.lkg.dec.com/back40/soapbox/87">click RIGHT
    HERE</a> to take a Majickal Mystery Tour thru the Code Warrior's
    magnifico gateway... sadly, to arrive right back here in the
    'BoxGhetto.
    <p>
    
    To get to <i>this very note right here,</i> and thus to recurse
    yourself to death on the spot,
    <a href="http://www-notes.lkg.dec.com/back40/soapbox/517.8"> CLICK
    HERE.</a> <strong><blink>So long, sucker!!</blink></strong>
    </body>
    </html>
                                  
517.22SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 15:0511
    .21
    
    Pointing to topic 87 isn't what was wanted.  What I've done was to
    write a script that filters the results of an EXTRACT into a live HTML
    file with active links to every http: site listed in topic 87.  With
    due allowances for failures to foresee people's inevitable gaffes in
    entering syntax, of course.  (I did make it smart enough to fix http:/
    and http::/ into http:// and I also took into account a few things like
    the fact that mosaic.playboy.com is now known as www.playboy.com .)
    
    So there.
517.23The answer is Workgroup Web Forum(tm) - <what was the Q?>DRDAN::KALIKOWW3: Surf-it 2 Surfeit!Fri Aug 11 1995 15:2155
    Wot's all this bollox about "having to hand-code the 'BoxPage???" 
    Gentlefolk, iffen you WANNA have a 'BoxPage in CyberSpace (albeit safe,
    non-visible-to-the-great-unwashed-INTERNET, within the Great Corporate
    Firewall) for our WebRavings, then...  (flourish) ... look no foider
    than -- Workgroup Web Forum(tm) from your friendly neighborhood Network
    Integration Systems group at LKG.  Take a trip to
    
    http://insight.lkg.dec.com/nisforum/general/dispatch.cgi
    
    and my Very Own Local Copy at 
    
    http://www.ibg.ljo.dec.com/wf/ibgforum_open/dispatch.cgi
    
    I mean, wot dis loverly, lovingly-created 'BoxPage is, is a sorta
    crippled, non-interactive-as-DECnotes, simulacrum of what the 'Box
    would dream of being, IF IT GREW UP into a MULTIMEDIA, USER-WRITTEN
    THINGIE on the Web.  This cannot, <i>trust me on dis, 'BoxBubbas &
    'BoxBubbelehs,<i> be done singlehandedly by even the most generous-
    hearted, HTML-savvy, 'BoxHardened 'BoxDenizen, even the estimable Herr
    BinderSan...  
    
    It has to enlist the READERSHIP to become the WRITERSHIP.  With their
    own little fingers, pounding away on their own little clients. Ya
    know... the way you have become accustomed to do, with your DECnotes
    clients, onto BACK40::'s Notes Server?  But WEBBISHLY????  With
    whatever browser you happen to have handy?  Down to Lynx or even (God
    save us) WWW??
                                                     
    But not to worry -- we're Digital -- WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!!!
    
    Please to note, (pun intentional), iffen you wanna have a CyberVenue
    for this sort of CyBerdinage, someone <i>far</i> nuttier than me will
    have to volunteer to take a kit and install it on THEIR box...  You
    won't catch ME moderating this nuthouse, if and when it ever goes
    Webbish. 
    
    No-Flippin-WAY!!
    
    With a bit of quite-easy-to-do customization, you could have virtually
    everything that Herr BinderSan is now laboriously hacking up, all done
    fer FREE!!
    
    (And btw Herr BinderSan, you asked offline about how you might automate
    the notification of users when someone new "signs up..." -- howzabout a
    NEXT UNSEEN command?  And a per-user BOOKMARK?)
    
    But don't order yet...  How'd you like a FULL TEXT SEARCH across the
    ENTIRE INFOBASE?  At lightspeed...?
    
    But wait, there's MORE...  
    
    Kin U say "Killer App sighted on the horizon, Keptin!!!!"??
    
    |-{:-)
    
517.24TROOA::COLLINSCareful! That sponge has corners!Fri Aug 11 1995 15:225
    
    <--- You mean, it *could* be done better, but *you* ain't gonna do it?
    
    :^)
    
517.25POLAR::RICHARDSONFirsthand Bla Bla BlaFri Aug 11 1995 15:341
    Can Hare Binder convert a .bmp for the Denizens area?
517.26A bmp?COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Aug 11 1995 15:415
>    Can Hare Binder convert a .bmp for the Denizens area?

Sounds like a job for Inspector Clouseau.

/john
517.27MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Fri Aug 11 1995 15:465
>    Can Hare Binder convert a .bmp for the Denizens area?

I'd suspected that .TIF was Trousers Indescriminately Falling, but does
this mean that .BMP is Bring_down My Pants?

517.28POLAR::RICHARDSONFirsthand Bla Bla BlaFri Aug 11 1995 15:471
    A veeerrrry laaaarge bmp you knyeeew.
517.29DRDAN::KALIKOWW3: Surf-it 2 Surfeit!Fri Aug 11 1995 16:012
    Oheauu, ze bmp enleearjjement pleauuy! I see...  Veggghy eeenteresssting...
                                          
517.31SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 16:117
    .23
    
    You have obviously mistaken a Web PAGE for a Web FORUM.  Contrary to
    popular belief, the two critters are not congruent.  I've been looking
    into WebForum, but that's not the purpose of the Box Web PAGE.  We
    already have a passaably usable forum right here, in case you hadn't
    noticed.
517.30SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 16:1240
    .25
    
    Hare Binder can convert:
    
    PICT
    MacPaint
    TIFF
    RIFF
    Photoshop 2.0, 2.5
    PICS
    JPEG/JFIF
    GIF
    PCX/SCR
    IMG/XIMG
    BMP
    PIC
    FLI/FLC
    TGA
    MSP
    SHP
    WPG
    PEM/PGM/PPM
    CGM
    SUN
    RLE
    XBM
    IFF/LBM
    PAC
    Degas
    TINY
    NeoChrome
    SPC
    GEM megafile
    Imagic
    ImageLab
    HP-GL/2
    DCX
    Scitex-CT
    GRP
    VFF
517.32TROOA::COLLINSCareful! That sponge has corners!Fri Aug 11 1995 16:515
    
    FBI URL needs to be updated to http://www.fbi.gov
    
    Yahoo needs to be updated to http://www.yahoo.com
    
517.33DRDAN::KALIKOWW3: Surf-it 2 Surfeit!Fri Aug 11 1995 17:2423
    .31> You have obviously mistaken a Web PAGE for a Web FORUM.
    
    One would thinq, but one might be mistooken... tho' the jury is still
    out on that pernt, and anyhow YOU are the keeper of the former...  
    
    Point of info -- It is perfectly possible to hand-craft whatever sorta
    Front Page(s) one wants, and then have a web-style interactive forum,
    as passaable as a Passat and with even more Fahrvergn�gen, tacked onto
    the end.  Where 'BoxLand belongs, natchally.
    
    Nat�rlich you are right that we gots a forum going here on BACK40::,
    and I'll grant you that it has a wider (and lower!) reach to the dregs
    of 'BoxDenizens, some of whom, regrettablement, we would perforce
    abandon were we to "go Webbish."  But rest assured, that WebForum or
    its growing number of conferencing-on-the Web ilk DOES represent the
    wave of the future...  Only a matter of time...  Whether or not this
    hits 'BoxLand is congruent, imho, with the larger question of 
    
    
    "Will DIGITAL survive?"
    
    |-{:-)
                                                 
517.34SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Fri Aug 11 1995 18:0112
    Re .19 re .8
    
    Just in case anyone cares...
    
    The generation of the Topic 87 links list on the Box Web site is done
    automatically by a pair of robots, one on this VMS system that extracts
    the contents of Topic 87 nightly at 10:00 p.m. and one on my ULTRIX
    workstation that runs at 10:30 to filter the extracted notes into an
    HTML file.
    
    If you see links that won't resolve due to things like slashes added or
    removed from the end, I may be able to smarten up the filtering robot.
517.35ROWLET::AINSLEYLess than 150kts is TOO slow!Mon Aug 14 1995 09:563
    What happened in 1988 that is as interesting as the years before it?
    
    Bob
517.36Growing painsDECWIN::RALTOStay in bed, float upstreamMon Aug 14 1995 12:5124
    >> What happened in 1988 that is as interesting as the years before it?
    
    To make a long story short (others correct me if I'm wrong):
    
    We had a "freedom of speech" crisis of sorts.  Things got out of
    hand (by the standards of some, that is).  Ultimately the 'box was
    seized and shutdown by others.  It was closed for a while, then
    it re-opened with new mods and a long, new set of rules that (in
    the opinion of some) made it pretty difficult to discuss anything.
    
    Most of the box old-timers "resigned".  Lots of new "polite" boxers
    came in; most of these had previously been read-only, but had been
    somewhat intimidated by the old style, and felt safer coming into
    the new 'box (which was termed "politebox" or some similar term,
    by some).
    
    Over the next several weeks, the new rules were relaxed somewhat,
    and simultaneously most of the resigned old-timers came back, and
    the box reached a steady state of sorts, that was at safer and
    more in conformance with the evolving corporate standards, but
    some would say also less interesting and dynamic.  It's been pretty
    much the same since then, to everyone's relief.  :-)
    
    Chris
517.37While perusing the museum, don't forget to use the facilitiesSHRCTR::sds9.shr.dec.com::DavisMon Aug 14 1995 16:008
This is really a ttwa, but:

Why is the picture of the home page author, the honorable Mr. Binder, 
hanging in the bathroom?

Your modesty (in that forum, at least) is inspiring!

Tom
517.38ROWLET::AINSLEYLess than 150kts is TOO slow!Mon Aug 14 1995 17:227
    re: .36
    
    Oh yeah, I didn't note in here then, but I remember hearing about it. 
    Wasn't that about the same time SEXETERA (or however it was spelled),
    was shut down?
    
    Bob
517.39SEXCETERAMOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Mon Aug 14 1995 17:262
Oh, yeah - I remember that. I always figured it was an accident waiting
to happen.
517.40POLAR::RICHARDSONFirsthand Bla Bla BlaTue Aug 15 1995 00:021
    Hare Binder, you wascawee wabbit! Thanks for the info.
517.41Noting memoriesDECWIN::RALTOStay in bed, float upstreamWed Aug 16 1995 12:4612
    I think that the SEXCETERA crisis happened a couple of years
    earlier, actually (I joined the group that had "owned" that
    conference in 1987, a year or so after the crisis had passed).
    The SEXCETERA crisis was probably worse in that some people
    almost lost their jobs over it; I don't believe the 'box crisis
    was as bad, but then I wasn't involved in it, thankfully.
    
    I remember peeking at SEXCETERA only a couple of times, back
    around 1985/6; I was afraid that my boss would walk into my
    office and see it on my screen!  :-)
    
    Chris
517.42SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Wed Aug 16 1995 15:503
    .37
    
    I hope my picture's new environs meet more nearly with your approval.
517.4328364::DAVISThu Aug 17 1995 09:4913
      <<< Note 517.42 by SMURF::BINDER "Night's candles are burnt out." >>>

>    I hope my picture's new environs meet more nearly with your approval.

Now, Dick. I know my approval rates waaaaaay down there in the old Binder 
hopes bin. So you're not foolin' me.

I just think you deserve better. Say....the laundry room. :')

Seriously (yeah, right) your background should be a library. \john's could 
be an E.M.Escheresque intertwining of RCC and Episcopal emblems. 
The good Doctah's, should he ever include his mug among the lineup, could be 
set in the kitchen -- or the wine cellar. Any other ideas?
517.44DRDAN::KALIKOWW3: Surf-it 2 Surfeit!Thu Aug 17 1995 11:2017
    Hmmm.  Last time I had the pleasure of dining wiv the good Herr
    BinderSan, I did not receive the impression that he wuz "built like a
    $***house constructed of the materials" that at least MY browser
    displays to me as the background of
    http://www.zk3.dec.com/~binder/bio.html ...
    
    I would suggest that <body background="pictures/bricks_random.gif""> be
    added to the 'BoxWebPp of and all of the MSO_Baben.  Waste of good
    pixels around our Genial 'BoxWebHost, imho.
    
    As fer me, a cloud background would seem most appropriate.  After I
    wore my prop-beanie to the IBG block party yestiddy, a colleague asked
    me at LJO2 this AM why I wasn't wearing same.  "I *never* wear that
    indoors!" I said, with a shocked tone.  "Damages the ceilings!!"
    
    |-{:-)
    
517.45POLAR::RICHARDSONFirsthand Bla Bla BlaThu Aug 17 1995 12:433
    Hare Binder.
    
    NNTTM
517.46NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Aug 17 1995 12:463
>    Hare Binder.

In your dreams, Elmer.
517.47SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Thu Aug 17 1995 13:4511
    .43
    
    You want a library, you got a library.
    
    .44
    
    I will not, repeat NOT, adjust the backgrounds of any of the BoxBaben's
    piccie pages without the specific request of the individuals pictured
    therein.  Ladies???
    
    As for the BoxWebPp, I LIKE the Kirk's Shandon Bells Toilet Soap ad.
517.48figured others might want to know as well...MPGS::MARKEYfunctionality breeds contemptThu Aug 17 1995 13:498
    
    a question herr binder:
    
    what is the desired format (giff, photoshop, jpeg, etc.) size (pixel
    dimensions) and color depth (256, 64k, 24 bit) of pictures contributed
    electronically to the web page?
    
    -b (the macintosh-photoshop-1200dpi-scanning-enabled)
517.4928364::DAVISThu Aug 17 1995 13:5812
      <<< Note 517.47 by SMURF::BINDER "Night's candles are burnt out." >>>

>    .43
>    
>    You want a library, you got a library.

:')  Mooch-oh better. Though regularity of the books therein reminds me of 
the BOTMC, which is a tad surprising...;>




517.50SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Thu Aug 17 1995 14:4111
    .48
    
    See .30 for a list of the formats I can handle.
    
    Anything at a resolution higher than 72 dpi is a waste, because I'll
    just have to re-rasterize it anyway.  If your scanner software is any
    good, it will already have done the necessary dithering.  You will see
    better results from files with 16- or 24-bit color than from 8-bit.
    
    I will extract this information and add it to the Denizens directory
    page for future reference.
517.51MPGS::MARKEYfunctionality breeds contemptThu Aug 17 1995 14:547
    
    thanks, but let me rephrase the question:
    
    which of those formats do you feel would produce the best results
    for you?
    
    -b
517.52SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Thu Aug 17 1995 15:033
    .51
    
    If it made a difference, I'd say so.
517.53CNTROL::JENNISONRevive us, Oh LordThu Aug 17 1995 16:475
	The resultant file from a scanning of a piccie of me and the
	husband is some 9K blocks.

	Shirley you don't want us mailing you such beasts, do you ?
517.54SMURF::BINDERNight&#039;s candles are burnt out.Thu Aug 17 1995 17:156
    You musta scanned it at a resolution rather higher than 72 dpi.  I can
    take a file that big by copying it, and re-rasterize it.  Or you can
    rescan at lower resolution.  'Sup to you.
    
    (You can't mail me a binary file, anyhoo, you'd have to uuencode or
    BinHex it for mailing.)
517.55POLAR::RICHARDSONFirsthand Bla Bla BlaFri Aug 18 1995 23:201
    Hare Binder, what would we do without your fluffy tail around here?
517.56BROKE::PARTSMon Aug 28 1995 16:347
    
    
    i successfully attached to dick's bio on www but couldn't find
    soapbox.  has it been taken offline?
    
      
    
517.57Hope this helps. :*)NETCAD::WOODFORDOhNO! Not the LAN Mr. Bill!Mon Aug 28 1995 16:354
    
    
    nope
    
517.58COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Aug 28 1995 16:511
It's right there, right where the conference notice sez it is.
517.59BROKE::PARTSMon Aug 28 1995 17:052
    
     now my netscape is connecting.  must be sunspots. 
517.60TROOA::COLLINSNothing wrong $100 wouldn&#039;t fix.Tue Aug 29 1995 16:024
    
    Looks like 32.1407 is ripe for inclusion in the `Boxbash' section of
    the wwweb page.
    
517.61Quite nice, well done, etceraXEDON::JENSENFri Oct 06 1995 17:256
    re:  The 'Web Page
    
    I been there.  I seen it.  I don't know why the esteemed
    Mr. DelBalso didn't fork over the dough for glamour pix
    like the rest 'a youze.
    
517.62POLAR::RICHARDSONPettin&#039; &amp; Sofa Settin&#039;Fri Oct 06 1995 17:281
    hey! HEY!
517.63XEDON::JENSENFri Oct 06 1995 17:332
    What?  WHAT!?!?!
    
517.64POLAR::RICHARDSONPettin&#039; &amp; Sofa Settin&#039;Fri Oct 06 1995 17:421
    Do I know you?
517.65MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalFri Oct 06 1995 17:443
    In a way maam...
    
    You were just...thinking of someone...like me.
517.66'ello... Miss?XEDON::JENSENFri Oct 06 1995 17:512
    I'm sorry, I have a cold.
    
517.67MOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Thu Oct 12 1995 00:376
.61>				I don't know why the esteemed
.61>    Mr. DelBalso didn't fork over the dough for glamour pix


Ain't seen me recently, eh?

517.68NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Oct 12 1995 10:338
Makeover artists have been known to throw up their hands upon sighting
Mr. DelBalso.

Pick one:

1. His pulchritude is so striking that a makeover is unnecessary.
2. They throw up their hands in joy upon finding a model for Fabio's
   "before" picture.
517.69CALLME::MR_TOPAZThu Oct 12 1995 10:383
       > Makeover artists have been known to throw up on their hands...
       
       Eeeeewwww.
517.70DPDMAI::GUINEO::MOOREHEY! All you mimes be quiet!Fri Oct 13 1995 02:386
    
    Jack looks like a deer in the headlights...
    
    ;^)
    
    P.S. I should send mine, but I ain't comin' out....
517.71COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Dec 26 1995 00:0212
Well, I don't know where it was that we were discussing the blotchkis that
needed to be removed from the scanned pictures added to the the box web
page the other day...

But anyway, I have just replaced the inferior PC-scanned gif image of the
Renoir Monet on http://bulova.zko.dec.com/people/john_covert.html with a
jpeg which has a million times as many colors in the same file size.

Now that all decent browsers support inline jpegs as well as inline gifs,
there's no apparent reason to use gifs anymore.

/john
517.72POWDML::HANGGELIComing apart at the seamsFri May 10 1996 17:015
    
    Thanks to Dick, I have a new picture on my boxpage!
    
    I think I like this one better than the old one.
    
517.73SMURF::BINDERUva uvam vivendo variatFri May 10 1996 17:022
    Tell them the r-r-r-r-rest of the story, Mz Debra, about who liked
    which picture when you had them taken...
517.74POWDML::HANGGELIComing apart at the seamsFri May 10 1996 17:044
    
    OK, OK, everybody else liked this new picture and I liked the old one. 
    No accounting for taste, I guess 8^).
    
517.75BUSY::SLABOUNTYBeing weird isn&#039;t enoughFri May 10 1996 17:077
    
    	Hmmm, didn't I send you a picture, Binder?
    
    	I know I'm not quite as attractive as Deb, but ...
    
    	8^)
    
517.76POWDML::HANGGELIComing apart at the seamsFri May 10 1996 17:124
    
    That's a matter of opinion 8^).
    
    
517.77BUSY::SLABOUNTYBeing weird isn&#039;t enoughFri May 10 1996 17:145
    
    	Ooooh, thank you, my dear.
    
    	Are you busy tonight?
    
517.78CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri May 10 1996 17:151
    Aren't you BUSY::SLABOUNTY?
517.79BUSY::SLABOUNTYBeing weird isn&#039;t enoughFri May 10 1996 17:183
    
    	COURSE::NOT
    
517.80SMURF::BINDERUva uvam vivendo variatFri May 10 1996 17:184
    .75 
    
    Yes, you did.  I haven't been able to work myself in to get access to
    the scanner.  Soon, probably.  And apologies for the delay.
517.81BUSY::SLABOUNTYBeing weird isn&#039;t enoughFri May 10 1996 17:199
    
    	Oh, the delay's no problem.  I was just making sure you didn't
    	give Deb's picture "cuttsies"* over mine.
    
    	8^)
    
    	* - I'll bet most of you haven't seen THAT word since 4th grade,
    	    eh?
    
517.82So we enter 16.140.16.3COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri May 10 1996 17:204
Gak.  Due to the local dns problems, I'm getting "www.zk3.dec.com" does not
have a DNS entry.

/john
517.83BUSY::SLABOUNTYBeing weird isn&#039;t enoughFri May 10 1996 17:263
    
    	I usually wait until the next day and try again, but that's me.
    
517.84SMURF::BINDERUva uvam vivendo variatFri May 10 1996 17:272
    Internet in ZK is severely hosed.  I can't even find flume.zk3.dec.com
    from usr308.zko.dec.com (My PowerBook, dialed in through a DS700).
517.85COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri May 10 1996 17:3011
Bizarre, though.  From star.zko.dec.com I can get to the Box Page and to
bulova.zko.dec.com and out to the outside world.

From my Mac, I can get to bulova and the outside world, but not to the Box
Page.

That picture doesn't look all that dramatically different.

Good trick, Dick, updating it tomorrow today.  (Last updated May 11th, 1996).

/john
517.86SMURF::BINDERUva uvam vivendo variatFri May 10 1996 17:324
    .85
    
    Looks to me as if it was updated today.  Your browser musta picked a
    bit.
517.87also says "May 11"EVMS::MORONEYyour innocence is no defenseFri May 10 1996 17:371
Well my browser is busticated as well then.
517.88SMURF::BINDERUva uvam vivendo variatFri May 10 1996 17:481
    Try hitting the Reload button.
517.89SALEM::DODAA little too smart for a big dumb townFri May 10 1996 17:5310
       <<< Note 517.72 by POWDML::HANGGELI "Coming apart at the seams" >>>
  
   > Thanks to Dick, I have a new picture on my boxpage!
    
   > I think I like this one better than the old one.
    
    Uh, I'll be right back....

    daryll

517.90Admitted it in .88, he did.COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri May 10 1996 17:563
>    Your browser musta picked a bit.

You lie.  Why do you lie?
517.91GENRAL::RALSTONOnly half of us are above average!Fri May 10 1996 18:142
    I'm really hosed. Mine still says "last updated 28 July 1995". I
    wondered why Deb's picture didn't look any differant.
517.92GENRAL::RALSTONOnly half of us are above average!Fri May 10 1996 18:162
    I reloaded. Now it say May 10, 1996. The pic is differant and I like it
    better than the old. Not that they're not both great!  
517.93BIGQ::SILVAMr. LogoFri May 10 1996 21:397

	Well, when you're a babe like Deb, any picture looks good. I mean, you
could wear a cow costume and look good! 

	Hey.... maybe mad cow disease is they are just pissed cuz Deb looks so
good in a cows costume, and they don't? Hmmm....
517.94Sign in, please!SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Thu Jun 27 1996 17:279
    New addition to the Box Web page:
    
    * Sign or read the _Soapbox Guest Book_
    
    This is a page where you can enter your name, and it'll be added to the
    list of people who, like you, have enterd their names.  You can be cute
    and clever and make a holy mess of it, in which case I will discontinue
    it, or you can be friendly and use your real name so that your fellow
    Boxers can see who's visited.
517.95SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Thu Jun 27 1996 17:301
    Thanks, Zelda.  We appreciate your forthrightness.
517.96SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jun 28 1996 14:022
    In case anyone's been trying to sign in today, I introduced a bug that
    blew your entry away.  It's fixed now.
517.97SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jun 28 1996 17:5510
    Gradually refining the guest book - jeez, I love using a fun toy like
    this for a learning experience.  (It's official learning, too - I have
    to know how to do this stuff for our documentation effort.)
    
    Added a locking mechanism so people won't write over each other if two
    or more happen to be accessing at the same time.
    
    Added a filter that removes inadvertent duplicate entries like Tom
    Ralston's.  After fixing this bug, I zorched raq's "wondering why Tom
    signed in twice" entry, hope no feelings are bruised.
517.98GAVEL::JANDROWi think, therefore i have a headacheMon Jul 01 1996 10:017
    
    you zorched me????
    
    
    {{{sniff}}}
    
    
517.99WAHOO::LEVESQUEit seemed for all of eternityMon Jul 01 1996 10:061
    Wasn't it good for you. too? :^)
517.100ACISS2::LEECHMon Jul 01 1996 10:569
    
			  (__)
                          (00)
                   /-------\/ 
                  / |     || \ 
                 *  ||W---|| Snarf. 
                    ~~    ~~  

    
517.101ACISS1::BATTISFuture Chevy Blazer ownerTue Aug 13 1996 17:142
    
    i've been there
517.102ACISS2::LEECHWed Aug 14 1996 10:411
    been where?
517.103ACISS1::BATTISFuture Chevy Blazer ownerWed Aug 14 1996 11:332
    
    there, silly.
517.104NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Aug 14 1996 11:341
They certainly are.
517.105COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Jan 06 1997 15:506
517.106POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityTue Jan 14 1997 17:17226
517.107....from bethe.zko.dec.comPERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it&#039;s comin&#039; from the leftTue Jan 14 1997 17:244
517.108WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jan 15 1997 08:041
517.109POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityTue Jan 21 1997 10:063
517.110MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyTue Jan 21 1997 10:351
517.111POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityTue Jan 21 1997 10:373
517.112BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 21 1997 10:393
517.113POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorTue Jan 21 1997 10:421
517.114MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyTue Jan 21 1997 10:471
517.115BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 21 1997 10:493
517.116ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Jan 21 1997 14:177
517.117SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Tue Jan 21 1997 16:323
517.1188^)ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Jan 21 1997 16:553
517.119BUSY::SLABAs you wishWed Feb 05 1997 18:176
    
    	Bonnie and bb both have on-line pictures but didn't submit them
    	for inclusion on the SOAPBOX WWW page.
    
    	[Maybe we need a tattletale note.]
    
517.120BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Feb 05 1997 19:063

	I meant to say that I did put my pic on my page finally.....
517.121SSDEVO::RALSTONGoodbye, Feb 14thWed Feb 05 1997 19:431
    I didn't think you were blond!  :)
517.122POMPY::LESLIEAndy, DEC man walking...Thu Feb 06 1997 07:041
    True Blond?
517.123BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Feb 06 1997 07:215
| <<< Note 517.121 by SSDEVO::RALSTON "Goodbye, Feb 14th" >>>

| I didn't think you were blond!  :)

	Blond is not just a hair color... it's a lifestyle!
517.124WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Feb 06 1997 08:031
    it's a state of !mind
517.125%Display error - image too ugly...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaThu Feb 06 1997 08:474
  picture ?  me ?  since when ?

  bb
517.126PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Feb 06 1997 09:234
  .124  sigh


517.127COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Mar 27 1997 15:431
http://www.zk3.dec.com/~binder/soapbox.html seems to be back...
517.128SCASS1::BARBER_APsychobilly FreakoutThu Mar 27 1997 15:453
    YAY!!  Yes!!  
    
    Thank you, Mr. Binder.
517.129PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Mar 27 1997 15:475
>             <<< Note 517.127 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>

  it does?

517.130BUSY::SLABForeplay? What&#039;s that?Thu Mar 27 1997 15:553
    
    	Try clearing out your cache, Diane, and try again.
    
517.131PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Mar 27 1997 15:567
>           <<< Note 517.130 by BUSY::SLAB "Foreplay? What's that?" >>>

	yar, thanks.  mr. covert just explained that to me, too.
	doy.  i don't do the Web thing much.  yet.  8-[


517.132BUSY::SLABForeplay? What&#039;s that?Thu Mar 27 1997 15:597
    
    	Well, that's not a "doy" moment, it's just a "lack of knowledge"
    	moment.
    
    	You can't know everything, right?  Heck, I wouldn't even attempt
    	to spell Vizzule Baisick ... but you actually know how to use it.
    
517.133PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Mar 27 1997 16:038
>           <<< Note 517.132 by BUSY::SLAB "Foreplay? What's that?" >>>
    
>    	You can't know everything, right?

    No, that's Mr. Postpischil's job. ;>
    And he's damn good at it.


517.134COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Mar 27 1997 16:594
You shouldn't have to clear your cache; a simple press of the reload button
should do it.

/john
517.135PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Mar 27 1997 17:039
>             <<< Note 517.134 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>

>You shouldn't have to clear your cache; a simple press of the reload button
>should do it.

	um, but it didn't.  maybe i pressed too hard.


517.136BUSY::SLABForm feed = &lt;ctrl&gt;v &lt;ctrl&gt;lThu Mar 27 1997 17:235
    
    	RE: .135
    
    	Either it's late and I'm tired or that was a riot.
    
517.137BUSY::SLABForm feed = &lt;ctrl&gt;v &lt;ctrl&gt;lThu Mar 27 1997 17:246
    
    	RE: .134
    
    	"Reload" doesn't empty Netscape's cache directory, either, which
    	can get rather large after awhile.
    
517.138cacheCSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Mar 27 1997 22:344

 ..as I found out with Microsoft Explorer/aol.  I couldn't believe how much
 space that thing was taking up.