Conference back40::soapbox

I'll go first: 3

    
    I was gonna say 4, but if Tom is a 3, I wanna be a 3 too!
    

How many votes does Glenn get?

    <<< Note 506.2 by TROOA::COLLINS "Careful! That sponge has corners!" >>>

    
>    I was gonna say 4, but if Tom is a 3, I wanna be a 3 too!
 
:')   

   <<< Note 506.3 by NOTIME::SACKS "Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085" >>>

>How many votes does Glenn get?

I lost count a long time ago. 

    
    i'm touched. this is the first time i've ever been accused
    of being a "10". i didn't know you cared tom. {sniff}
    
    -b

    42!
    
    No, wait....wrong question.

    I thought he was calling Kalikow a reich winger. :-)

    
    
    I'll pleed the fifth....
    

    <---- that's never been done before.

    
    <---- he also has never seen anyone do it

             <<< Note 506.8 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "the heat is on" >>>

>    I thought he was calling Kalikow a reich winger. :-)

I node bedder 'n dat.

    Aliasing of DanK...

    
    Any fule no Dr. Dan gots no wings, he gots propellors!
    

    
    er Mark, were your car seats soaked yesterday, perhaps??

    Check your left/right meters when it comes to Atilla H. and J. Stalin. 
    You may find that thier politics were not as right sided as one would
    be led to believe by the comparisons some boxers like to draw upon
    themselves.  
    
    

    
    their   nnttm

    re: .14
    
    >Any fule no Dr. Dan gots no wings, he gots propellors!
    
    
     Which go a hundred mile an hour!!!
    

    998 to go Mark, and you'll be even.

	>>some boxers like to draw upon
        >>themselves.  

    this is sick.  who are these people?
    
    

    
    take it to the tattoo note!
    
    -b

    Look for the ones with several dry erase markers and felt tip 
    pens lurking in their pocket protectors.  Those'll be they.

    3

    I'll give myself a 6.  Between 6 and 7 actually, no, more like a 6.25
    but since there was no room for fractions of a point, I'll round down to
    a 6.  

    10 today, 1 tomorrow
    
    ...Tom

    Andy, your nose and mouth are missing.

 .28  aaagagag.

    7.
    

    
    re: .28
    
    "Nutter" camouflage...
    

    	Maybe the ground rules of this survey ought to be better spelled
    	out.
    	
    	If you're going to be a 10, you have to be conservative on (in?)
    	all issues -- budget, taxes, morals, guns, religion, etc.
    
    	Maybe we should agree upon 10 categories.  Then give yourself
    	a 0 (liberal) .5 (moderate) or 1 (conservative) for each.  Your
    	total is your rating.
    
    	Here is my suggestion for some categories.  We can pare the
    	list to 10 by combining similar issues.
    
    	Moral issues:
    
    	  Abortion
    	  Death penalty
    	  birth control
    	  abstinence
    	  sex education
    	  divorce
    	  single parenting
    	  homosexuality (gay rights, gay marriage, gaymil, etc)
    	  school prayer
    	  gov-sponsored Christmas displays (belongs in another category?)
    	  war
    	  other
    
    	financial:
    
    	  balanced budget
    	  military spending
    	  welfare
    	  taxes
    	  corporate welfare (what actually are the cons/lib positions here?)
    	  social security	(ditto)
    	  medicare		(ditto)
    	  other
    
    	social:
    
    	  welfare (duplicate from above)
    	  guns    (what are the cons/lib positions here?)
    	  seatbelts/helmets (ditto previous)
    	  communism (Joseph McCarthy would be a 10 here)
    	  feminism
    	  immigration (what are the lib/cons position?)
    	  other
    
    	general government:
    
    	  Republican vs Democrat
    	  term limits
    	  other
    
    
    --------------
    
    
    	Is it possible to agree on 10 categories for ratings?
    	Or is that too much work and not really worth the exercise...

    
    Awwww, Joe, this was *so* much easier 'til you showed up!
    
    :^)
    

    	But once defined, the list would make the survey quite
    	easy, and maybe even relatively accurate.
    
    	Of course, given that we don't have a similar survey of
    	the population-at-large to which we can compare the box
    	results, the intent of the basenote is not met.

    	To add to the list in .32 we should consider something
    	about environmental issues (spotted owls, oil digging,
    	ozone, strip mining, etc.)

    Killoran, dishyeah 'Box is too dang small fuddaBofeOvUs...
    
    Puns at Dawn!!
    
    (notice I get to choose my weppins...)
    
    |-{:-)
    

        Is it possible to assign an irrational number to oneself?
        

    I tried usin' the list but I got up to ten, n' ran outa fingers.  Now I 
    can't average it out correctly, so I'll just have to stay undecided
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Rod (ok 5, no 6, no 5, no 6, no 5, no 6...)
    

           <<< Note 506.32 by CSC32::J_OPPELT "Wanna see my scar?" >>>

	Someone else can do the math.

    	  Abortion - truley undecided
    	  Death penalty - yes
    	  birth control - yes
    	  abstinence - for kids, yes. adults make up their own minds.
    	  sex education - yes
    	  divorce - yes
    	  single parenting - what choice is there? Kill the kids is a parent
			     dies, leaves, whatever?
    	  homosexuality (gay rights, gay marriage, gaymil, etc) - yes
    	  school prayer - no
    	  gov-sponsored Christmas displays (belongs in another category?) - no
    	  war - tough one, war does have a place, but you better be sure
 		that you have a real good reason.
    	  other- I'm all for others.
    
    	financial:
    
    	  balanced budget - yes
    	  military spending - enough to ensure the security of the nation.
    	  welfare - should be adminstered by the States.
    	  taxes - within reason to support the government (government should
		  be cut way back).
    	  corporate welfare - subsidies to any industry should stop.
    	  social security - Privatize it.
    	  medicare - Privatize it
    	  other - I'm still in favors of others.
    
    	social:
    
    	  welfare - see above
    	  guns - no restrictions for law-abiding persons.
    	  seatbelts/helmets - Use them.
    	  communism - who cares?
    	  feminism - equal treatment for women, yes.
    	  immigration - another tough one. don't know.
    	  other - Still rooting for others.
    
    	general government:
    
    	  Republican vs Democrat - Libertarian for the most part
    	  term limits - Changed my mind on this one, yes.
    	  other - Go OTHERS!
    

    <--- I'll give you a 9, but math is not my forte.

    
    Is piano your forte?
    
    

    8^@

    Beverly!
    

    Where? Where?

    
    On the North Shore of Massachusetts.

    Beverly?

    Sheesh, it just occurred to me that this partickeler note, with its
    requests for folks to place themselves on a category scale of 
    
    1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10
    
    would be a natural for a Polling Topic in Workgroup Web Forum(tm),
    
    q.v. LJSRV2::INTERNET_TOOLS 2393.* and a URL given therein.
    
    Methinx the 'Box would be strongly humped (oo er) to the right.
    
    And strongly skrewed, no wait, skewed too.  Not to mention skewered.
    
    PS -- don't get too involved with that URL, it's temporary ONLY...
    
    |-{:-)
    

    Sorry, it wasn't Beverly.  It was Brian Ellis.
    

    
    
    Gee Glenn, you don't look forte......

    
    Mr. Kalikow,
    re:.37   -   You don't want to do that.  Trust me on this.....
    
    re:.38   -   For most people no, but for you, it's a natural...
    
    Dan

    
      6.384 +/- 0.115 (?)
    
      bb

    If Sadin is a 6 and I declared a 6 (rounded down too!) and Sadin is a
    reichwyngnut then I must be too!  Oh my!  Oh Dear!  The pain!  The pain!
    My family will disown me!  My friends will call me names.  It cannot be
    true it just can't!  
    
    Brian - in denial 

    
    	<pat - pat - pat> there there Brian, it'll be alright. You'll get
    used to be a social outcast soon enuff....;*)
    
    
    	jim
    
    p.s. - Wanna go shootin' this weekend Brian? ;)
    

    {shudder} 

    
    I hearby declare Brian McBride to be a `5', contrary to his wishes.
    
    If I am a `3', then Brian hasn't disagreed with me enough to rate a
    `6.25'.
    
    ;^)
    

    Thang Kew John, Thang Kew!  I am saved! 

	For those who don't care:
    
          Death penalty - Believe it's legal, but wouldn't vote for it
    	  birth control - use it at least once a year
    	  abstinence - sucks.  more than once a year.
    	  sex education - wish I had some. My kids will get it.
    	  divorce - sucks worse than abstinence. Planning not to do it.
    	  single parenting - is really hard. Applause to all who succeed.
    	  homosexuality (gay rights, gay marriage, gaymil, etc) - whatever
               floats your boat (what's gaymil?)
    	  school prayer - shouldn't be promoted in public schools
    	  gov-sponsored Christmas displays - nope
    	  war - sucks worse than abstinence and divorce together.
                sometimes necessary
    	      
    	financial:
    
    	  balanced budget - go for it. Gonna take a lot of work.
    	  military spending - reduce through efficiency measures.
    	  welfare - state by stae only. get the feds out of it.
    	  taxes - state by state only. get the feds out of it.
    	  corporate welfare - what's corporate welfare?
    	  social security - dump it.
    	  medicare - needs reform.
    	      
    	social:
    
    	  welfare - dump it.
    	  guns - I might own some, but I wouldn't tell you.   
    	  seatbelts/helmets - yes seatbelts, no helmets.
    	  communism - works only for really small groups. 
          feminism - shouldn't be needed, but it is.
    	  immigration - tightly restrict.
    	      
    	general government:
    
    	  Republican vs Democrat - Libertarian
    	  term limits - no, just election reform
    	     
       issues not listed above:

	  drugs - legalize 'em.
          consensual crimes - legalize 'em.
          federal government - cut! cut! cut!

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    and the survey says............................

    Oh, oh since my answer lined up with Percival and Covington, does
    this mean I'm not a Republican after all?
    
    

    
    well Karenlee, that all depends on the outcome of the O.J. trial. hth

    .61
    
    Depends on what you call yourself. I'm registered as an independent.
    Keeps me off those dang mailing lists.

    Death penalty - Yes, for 1st degree murder could one day be
    		    eliminated with an organized ostracizing system
    birth control - Should be available and competitively researched
    abstinence    - Stupid and unnatural
    sex education - If you want your kids to have it teach them or pay
    		    somebody to teach them. Keep it out of public school.
    divorce       - Couple should be able to decide for themselves.
    single parenting - It happens, they are families too.
    homosexuality - No ones business but theirs
    school prayer - If you want to pray, pray, if not, don't, should not be
    		    forced.
    gov-sponsored Christmas displays - NO
    war - should only be used in retailiation against a direct attach on
          ones own country.
    	      
    	financial:
    
    balanced budget - Yes, while cutting spending and taxes. 
    military spending - Enough to insure individual and property rights of
                        every American
    welfare - Eliminated
    taxes - Free enterprise should eventually eliminate government taxation
            and non-profit spending programs.
    corporate welfare - Never, ever!
    social security - Should be voluntary
    medicare - should be voluntary
    	      
   social:
    
    welfare - eliminate it
    guns - Anyone should be able to own as many as they want as long as
           they do not use them as force against any individual,   
    seatbelts/helmets - should not be dictated
    communism - What about it?, It's a system based on force and
    	        restrictions on individual rights. It's dying. 
    feminism - not needed.
    immigration - free and open. But, no government support.
    	      
   general government:
    
    Republican vs Democrat - Capitalist
    term limits - Who cares, politicians are a dying breed.
    	     
   issues not listed above:

    drugs - individual's choice
    consensual crimes - subjective and should be eliminated
    federal government - Needed only to protect the individual and property
                         rights of the citizens. 

    
    
    ...Tom

    .63
    
    I've lived in Georgia for over 25 years; I'm sure there must have
    been some Libertarians on ballots, I just don't remember seeing it.
    Guess I'll have to start doing some homework before the next
    election rolls around.
    
    

    Cripes Karen,
    
    There were Libertarians all over the last ballot.  
    

  A Short True Account That Drastically Changed My Political Leanings...

  One Halloween evening during the latest election year, I was flicking
  the channels and I came upon C-Span.  It was about 11:30 PM and there
  was a debate between Andre Moreau and the head of some other very small
  party.

  The head of the other party talked about the need for all these social
  entitlement programs, blah, blah, blah.

  Andre Moreau said that nobody has the RIGHT to expect help from anyone
  else.  That is not a right, that is a PRIVELAGE.  He went on to say that
  when the govt. gets in the business of taking from one group so as to
  give to another, that is not democracy, that is socialism.

  His statement literally hit me like an anvil.

  I now believe govt. has the following functions...

  1) A judicial system which defines victimization, tries people accused
     of victimization, and penalizes people accordingly.

  2) A military presence to protect our borders.

  3) Some utilitarian functions as I do not see it as practical for 
     private ownership of roads, bridges, etc.  (But, maybe I'm wrong.)

  4) Control of the printing of currency (which responsibility it illegally
     gave up)

  I am amazed that the govt. actually tells employers they must provide
  health insurance.  They restrict so much.  What business is it of theirs???

  GET 'EM OUT!!!

  I used to be perhaps a 2.5.

  I am now a 9.5.  I don't even believe in licensing for crying out loud!
  You see how fast people would drive right if they found the penalty
  for not driving right.

  Don't license people!  Just penalize when someone does wrong to another.

							Tony

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    <<< Note 506.61 by DECLNE::REESE "ToreDown,I'mAlmostLevelW/theGround" >>>

>    Oh, oh since my answer lined up with Percival and Covington, does
>    this mean I'm not a Republican after all?
 
	You a liberal Republican. Or as our dear departed Eastie once
	labeled me, A Politically Correct Nazi. ;-)

Jim   
    

    MadMike,
    
    Their name recognition was zilch.  I'm serious about doing some
    homework.  I've always felt most comfortable voting Republican
    (with some exceptions on local level).  I've thought of myself as a
    moderate Republican; I don't fit the "new" image though (I'm pro-
    choice and anti-prayer in schools). You and I live in different
    counties, so we're not looking at the same options for those
    elections.
    
    Hey, this was an eye-opener for me; I identified with Percival
    and Covington (not 100%) but close enough.  You have to be realistic
    though; unless the Libertarians offer a viable candidate on the
    national level, the a L vote will probably make sure Sliq gets
    re-elected...... I WON'T  be a part of that!!
    
    And if I don't vote at all, then I lose my right to bitch and I
    won't do that either :-)
    
    
    

I wouldn't rate the 'box as either right or left. I say it's "normal", in
other words, about an average representation of US politics (sorry, the rest
of you). Only half the population lives on the pinko coasts, and some of them
are conservative, so...

I'd put myself at 6 or 7, but I'm far from traditional "right".

    .69
    
    Jim,
    
    A PC Nazi?  Guess it's time to stick my head in the oven :-0
    
    

>    <<< Note 506.70 by DECLNE::REESE "ToreDown,I'mAlmostLevelW/theGround" >>>

>    though; unless the Libertarians offer a viable candidate on the
>    national level, the a L vote will probably make sure Sliq gets
>    re-elected...... I WON'T  be a part of that!!


As long as people keep saying this and voting in this way a thrid party 
will never get elected.  It is up to us to make sure that the libertarian
(or any other 3rd party) candidate is viable.  If people would stop voting 
for the lesser of two (we)evils and vote for whom they thought would really 
do the best job, then the libertarians would receive a much greater 
percentage of the vote.

--Geoff    
    
    

    
    > If people would stop voting for the lesser of two (we)evils and vote 
    > for whom they thought would really do the best job, then the 
    > libertarians would receive a much greater percentage of the vote.
    
    The problem is that unless we all do that at the same election, the
    greater of the two evils will probably be elected.
    

    
    What the LP really needs is money, prior to elections.  
    
    And to know who needs money, subscribe to the feed:
    
    "[email protected]"
    
    This is the LP National feed: this provides the best source of info
    on up-and-coming LP candidates.

>    What the LP really needs is money, prior to elections.  

But it's more convenient to just flush it down the toilet.

    <--- Nah, then YOU would get it.

    	Moral issues:
    
    	  Abortion - not legal outside of rape, incest or threat to the
    			life of the mother
    
    	  Death penalty - for it
    
    	  birth control - what about it?
    
    	  abstinence - practice it until marriage
    
    	  sex education - basic reproduction education in biology class, 
    			the rest in an elective class
    
    	  divorce - do away with "no fault" divorces
    
    	  single parenting - what about it?
    
    	  homosexuality (gay rights, gay marriage, gaymil, etc) - 
    
    	rights and privileges based on "alternative" sex habits is a
        bazarre concept in my book
    
    	  school prayer - should be allowed, not forced
    
    	  gov-sponsored Christmas displays (belongs in another category?) -
    
    	Why should the government sponsor Christmas displays?  Why should
    they sponsor *any* displays.  If a community wants one, let them
    sponsor it.
    
    	  war - sometimes a necessary evil; US should not be the police
    power of the world, however
    
    	  other - I'm all for others having morals.
    
    
    	financial:
    
    	  balanced budget - if I treated my finances the way DC treats US
                          finances, I'd be noting from a prison cell
    
    	  military spending - we should spend enough to insure security; we
    cannot do this by speding $700 for a toilet seat or $300 for an ash
    tray-- cut out stupidity and you save a lot of money without cutting
    any of the military budget
    
    	  welfare - abysmal failure, but too late in the game to outright
    		drop it; move it to the states
    
    	  taxes - a necessary evil that has grown from a mustard seed to a
                  mustard plant; they have to be cut
    
    	  corporate welfare -  government should not subsidize business
    
    	  social security - phase it out, privatize it
    
    	  medicare - move to the states; desparately needs to be reformed
    
    	  other - I'm all for others having finances.
    
    
    	social:
    
    	  welfare - move it to the states; phase it out
    
    	  guns - I like guns.  I also like the Second Amendment as it was
    written, not as it is being interpreted today.  Do away with all laws
    that go against this amendment.
    
    	  seatbelts/helmets - If I'm financing (via tax) someone's
    insurance, then I see the value in restricting freedom.  If I am not
    subsidizing a person's insurance, then they can do as they like.
    
    	  communism - (in my best Ronald Reagand voice) it's bad, baaaaad!
    		doesn't work outside very small groups
    
    	  feminism - depends what kind you are talking about, I see
    		in your face men_are_pigs feminism, and I see those seeking
    		things like equal pay for equal work...I agree with the
    		latter sentiment
    
    	  immigration - should be restricted, an unfortunate necessity, IMO
    
    	  other - I'm all for others being social.
    
    
    	general government:
    
    	  Republican vs Democrat - Neither, though I lean towards GOP.
    
    	  term limits - a fix so stupid voters won't ruin this nation?
    			I'm not entirely decided on this one, though it
    			must be constitutional since the pres. can only
    			run for two terms.  8^)
    
    	  other - I'm all for others having a general government.
    
    
    
    -steve

    >	rights and privileges based on "alternative" sex habits is a
    >   bazarre concept in my book
    
    that should make for an interesting flea market...
    
    

    
    A left/right scale doesn't really do justice when polling
    political sentiment.  But echoing Tony's remarks, I'm
    very strongly freedom oriented (Hayek and Rand are two of
    my favorite authors), so rate me a 9.8.
    
    Gummint isn't much good at anything except spending money
    like a drunken sailor on payday.
    

Re: Libertarian Party

They may need money, but they most certainly need electable candidates
even moreso. And until they start nominating some of them for the
important spots (like Pres) they will continue to be a 3rd rate 3rd
party which can't do much more than remain on the ballot.

Hell - I believe in the philosophy, but I sure as hell won't throw away
any more votes on unelectable 3rd party candidates and see the likes of
what we have in the White House now as a result of that action. I'm sure
Slick would be real happy to see about 17% of the vote go to a Libertarian
candidate.

    
    <--- Harry Browne is probably going to be thw LP '96 presidential
         candidate...he's well known among conservatives, already
    	 has over $100 K in his war chest, and is slated to appear in
    	 3 different national debates prior to Nov. 7th, 1995, including
    	 CSPAN and NPR debates.
    
         That's a whole lot better than the LP version of Sliq, Andre
         Marrou, the 1992 candidate.

    There should be an entertainment category. I protest.

    
    I protest your protestation.
    

    When are you coming to Ottawa to party?

    
    <---- Good question!!!   Hmmmm.....
    
    {thoughtful look}
    

> Harry Browne is probably going to be thw LP '96 presidential candidate..

Well, then, I hope that the 3 national debates are intended to be against
potential contenders from the two major parties. If, in fact, this guy
appears to be electable, then the Libertarian party should begin IMMEDIATELY,
if not sooner, to make this man's name a household word. THAT is the next
step in trying to get him elected, and in trying to get votes away from
either party. As an example, I had never heard of him before this mention.
And I tend to pay a fair amount of attention to what's going on.

    
    The 3 debates include the Elephants and the Asses. Who'll show ? Ya got
    me.  But judging that it's CSPAN and PBS, there will be some
    combination of elephants and asses and lady-liberties (well, it is
    the Lib symbol).
    
    As far as spending, well, I ain't holding any purse strings. I do know
    that the Browne campaign plans exactly what you propose : a LOT of
    radio and TV PRIOR to the "debates".  With as many candidates involved,
    it's gonna be sound-bite city, with an emphasis on bite. Dates :
    Oct. 7, Oct. 22, and Nov. 5, sponsored by CSPAN and PBS.
    
    FYI, Harry Browne is an author ("How I Found Freedom in an Unfree
    World", etc.), and currently is an independent investment analyst.
    
    Since the Lp hasn't picked a candidate, there's also Irwin Schiff.
    Recognize him ?
    
    Although this should go on the WWW note, I'll list here:
    
    	Harry Browne for President
    	1500 Adams Ave.
    	Suite 105
    	Costa Mesa, CA 92626
    	714-437-7911
    	[email protected]
    	WWW: http://www.rahul.net/browne
    
    and
    
    	Schiff for President
    	c/o Jeff Kanter
    	    P.O. Box 221440
    	    Beachwood, Ohio  44122
    	216-248-9995, #3
    	WWW: http://www.webpub.com/schiff
    
    Harry Browne 

>    FYI, Harry Browne is an author ("How I Found Freedom in an Unfree
>    World", etc.), and currently is an independent investment analyst.

"Independent Investment Analyst" ain't exactly the kind of credentials
that will get him elected. Maybe he can downplay it. (What was Marrou?
A real estate agent?) Seriously - if the LP wants to really get a
candidate elected, they have got to play the image game for the sake of
getting the attention of the braindead public.

>    Since the Lp hasn't picked a candidate, there's also Irwin Schiff.
>    Recognize him ?

Nope. Never hoid of him. And, he'll never be a household word. He should
get dumped forthwith.

    
    Well.  Hmmm.  I didn't pick 'em.  I suppose Harry should be listed
    as a super-dooper freedom-lover.  And Schiff : well, he's written
    about 16 books on the illegality of the income tax, and probably
    has spent as many years in the pen for that very reason.
    
    I'm not a spin doctor.  I just calls 'em as I see's 'em.  I'll
    venture you this: if you wanna beat Sliq, vote Republican, but
    contribute something to an LP candidate. $20 to a Demopublican
    means squat; but to a Lib, it means airtime. Have your cake, and
    eat it, too.
    
    Tiny historical note : The Prohibition party never got anyone into
    high (no pun intended) office, but they brought about the Amendment
    banning liquor in the good old USA.  This works both ways.

    
    ...oh, forgot. Andre Marrou WAS and IS a real estate agent in Las
    Vegas.
    

    
    > has over $100 K in his war chest, and is slated to appear in
    
    $100 K, with that kinda budget, he doesn't stand a chance...
    
    Oh well, keep tryin' though 
    
    Dan

This has been a pretty amusing string.

I thought of suggesting a much more comprehensive survey, a la Joe, but 
decided I'm too busy - and besides, it's a pretty silly exercise brought on 
by the incredulity of reading some of my 'box brethren on the right 
declaring this forum as representative of the politics of the nation at 
large. Yeah, and the callers into Rush's show are a mirror of America, too.

As hopelessly simplistic as the survey was, it still made its point. Look 
back. the average is about 7 - and that's including all the libertarians 
whom I knew would be throwing the curve way off. They're really 9s-10s with 
some 90s sensitivity thrown in. I kinda liked that fellow
Eastie's label: Politically Correct Nazis. :') Which would bring the 
average up to about an 8.5.

I rest my case.

Tom

PS: My apologies to Dr Dan. First, for impugning his reputation with a 
careless use of abbreviation; and second, for not accommodating non-real 
numbers in my survey. And to Mr. Markey: You will always be a 10 in my 
book, love. :') If not for the beauty of your ideals, than for the charm of 
your candor - you're a libertarian who readily acknowledges how truly 
conservative you are.    

The name Harry Browne is a little familiar.  Didn't he put out some off-the-wall
investment advice book back in the '70s?  Invest in gold and hide it in your
bunker so you can trade it for food after Armageddon?

<groan>

Another Marrou look-alike, then . . . 

    
      "Made its point ?"  Well, maybe. Was that, "Garbage In, Garbage Out"?
    
      bb

>                          And to Mr. Markey: You will always be a 10 in my 
> book, love. :') If not for the beauty of your ideals, than for the charm of 
> your candor - you're a libertarian who readily acknowledges how truly 
> conservative you are.
    
    i think i should blush. i'm not exactly sure why, it just
    seems turning red is in order... not pink, just red... :-)
    
    -b

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>      "Made its point ?"  Well, maybe. Was that, "Garbage In, Garbage Out"?

Ah, but bb, garbage is an anthropologist's friend!

    I just read some of Harry Browne's writings... pretty good,
    actually.  Not that he has a chance of getting anywhere, but
    still interesting.
    
    These Libertarians can't just come out of nowhere and expect to
    win the Presidency.  They have to come up through the ranks, like
    everyone else does.  Why aren't there any Libertarians in town or
    state government, or in Congress, for example?
    
    I'd also like to see the Libertarian candidate in the debates.
    The media likes the two-party system just fine, and intends to
    keep it that way.  Perot was a fluke, mostly a caricature who
    looked good on TV, so they made room for him.
    
    Chris

    ...and the survey says: 
    
    SNARF!

    
      I never heard of Harold Browne.
    
      On surveys : of course, this is a very complicated subject, and even
         the pros sometimes predict the country very poorly with thousands
         of subjects polled and at least a rudimentary scientific method.
    
         In general, though, it is widely reported that virtually everybody
         thinks the country agrees with them.  Liberals think the country
         is liberal, conservatives think it's conservative.  I was very much
         amused in Massachusetts last election, when Republicans thought
         Mitt Romney had a chance, or Democrats applauded Mark Roosevelt's
         "victory" in the debates.  Of course, the pros knew better, but
         they sure never predicted the US House in 1994, a very hard one
         to read.  The standard boobytrap is to sample the people you know.
         This will invariably produce a result much closer to you than to
         the electorate.  Consider the 96 election.  Perhaps this is really
         a foregone conclusion already, but if it is, it's too tough for
         me.  I'm not going to take a swing at that one till after AT LEAST
         the first few primaries.
    
         bb

    >    These Libertarians can't just come out of nowhere and expect to
    >    win the Presidency.  They have to come up through the ranks, like
    >    everyone else does.  Why aren't there any Libertarians in town or
    >    state government, or in Congress, for example?
    
    Plenty o' libertarians in local and state gov. (considering the size of
    the party, anyway) in NH.

>         In general, though, it is widely reported that virtually everybody
>         thinks the country agrees with them.  Liberals think the country
>         is liberal, conservatives think it's conservative.

All right then, can one of you net wizards go find some statistics somewhere?
Lib vs Conserv vs other, or even just Dem vs Rep.

    I must not be everybody. My paranoic self thinks everyone's against me.
    P.S. What tpye is N100Q?

    
         Seven
    
    
     

    
    <------
    
    That's Amherst St. in Nashua.. right???
    
    
    :)
    

>    P.S. What tpye is N100Q?

Err, it's a ham radio license.
Nancy 1 Ocean Ocean Queen.

You know... We're the guys who beam radio waves into your brain.

> You know... We're the guys who beam radio waves into your brain.

Stop that this instant!

    
    
    Or Mr. Bill will bite you!!!!
    

    Ah...
    I thought it was a plane.
    
    What alphabet are you speaking?
    I speak November one Oscar Oscar Quebec.

>    I speak November one Oscar Oscar Quebec.

It's an old radio alphabet... sometimes it takes more than one to get the
information across, especially if the guy on the other end isn't paying
attention.

-Number 1 Obvious Old Question

    12.5
    
    
    KB1MZ
    
    FN42

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