Conference back40::soapbox

    > Amazing, he can avoid
    > capture, but UN toops can't avoid being captured and used as
    > pawns.
    
    He was one person, whereabouts unknown, aware that he was being sought
    by hostile forces and hence possessed of a strong motive for avoiding
    capture.  Peacekeepers are many people, right in the public thick of
    things, who are not expecting to be taken captive.
    
    There's nothing to wonder about, unless the wonderer is a little thick.

    
    	Dick, are you saying that a group of Rush Limbaugh impersonators
    	in the middle of the Bosnian capital would be more likely to be
    	captured than a mime in a cave in the mountains on the outskirts
    	of Bosnia?
    
    	Who would've thought?
    

    Oh, Excusme,
    
    I just thought knowing where the plane went down would simplfy
    things.....even one who is "thick" would have a good shot at
    tracking him down..

    .3
    
    Remember where you are.  :-)
    
    > good shot at
    > tracking him down..
    
    Actually, sarcasm aside, that's not true.  The Boserbs aren't using
    crack person-hunting dogs, to the best of my knowledge.  This means
    that it's humans looking for him.  They probably don't have IR gear
    either, which means that it's going to have to be a visual contact.
    If he's wearing clothing that's roughly the color of foliage, and a
    USAF G-suit is that color, and if he's smart and determined to hide
    from them, then he could be, and obviously was, VERY hard to find.
    
    I gotta wonder if anyone will think to remind the Boserbs that they
    lied outright when they said they had him.  If they can lie, we can
    lie, too - so let's promise no more NATO attacks, and as soon as we
    get all the peacekeepers back, carpet bomb the SOBs.  :-)

    Speaking of F16's, It's air show time at Hanscom Field this weekend. 
    
    Saturday features in addition to the Thunderbirds, a flyby by the 
    B2 bomber. Show continues on Sunday, but with some different things 
    scheduled.
    
    Call the base and ask for info line. Sorry I don't have the # with me
    at the moment. 

What I heard on CNN is that the pilot wasn't very far from the where the
plane landed.   He survived by sleeping during daylight and moving at night.
Pilots go through a very extensive survival training exercise.  Probably 
better than the ground troops do. 

Paul

 He also ate bugs (which when I heard of this, caused me to remember
 yesterday's Calvin and Hobbes.



 Jim

    	I remember reading (either yesterday or the day before) that
    	our military suspected he wasn't captured because they were
    	picking up radio signals from him in the vicinity of the
    	downed plane.
    
    	My questions are, how responsible was our media in reporting
    	this?  If I saw it in the news media, surely the Serbs saw
    	it too and would know he's near the plane.  And,  how did the
    	news media get ahold of that information?
    
    	I also recall hearing a statement from one of the freed UN
    	hostages that the American pilot was in Serb hands, and
    	apparently safe and in good health.
    
    	This pilot will return to the USA and be made a media hero.

    They haven't said anything about the Arkansas governor's indictments
    and Hillary's pending indictments, why should they tell us the truth on
    anything?

	He ate bugs??  Swallowed 'em and everything?

	Oh dear.

    As I understand it his plane broke into two pieces.  He was located
    near one of the two pieces.  If he was at 20,000 ft when the bird was
    hit, it then broke into two pieces, anyone would have a heck of a time
    finding his exact location.
    
    re: -1 bugs can be tasty, high in protein, with a nice crunch.  This
    was told to me by a friend wh rides motorcycles with a brain-bucket
    helmet (i.e. open-faced)...
     :-)
    
    Dan

    
    
    Seems there are questions about the cause of the downing.  The two
    planes hung around the area wuite long after being picked up on radar
    turning on and off their jamming devices.  Some are speculating that
    these pilots were playing cat and mouse with the Serbs.
    
    
    

    Too much over nothing, imho.

    
    I had heard a report that Serbs knew where the downed pilot was but
    were not interested in capturing him. Serbs viewed the succesful 
    rescue in their interest as it minimizes US public interest in Bosnia
    war. Besides, it was seen as an unnecessary complication to an already 
    complicated situation and Serbs wanted to end it without giving US an 
    excuse to get involved. 

    >Too much over nothing, imho.
    
     Speaking of "too much over nothing," tell us again about how you don't
    get to be a cop. Poor baby. I, for one, am glad you don't get a badge
    to go with that tiny brain of yours.

    
    A tiny badge?
    

    
    well it would be nice if they could somehow settle this affair
    in Bosnia, but, I doubt it very much.

    are the bugs in Serbia covered with chocolate?

    Why did he have to hide out 6 days?  I'm not clear on that at all - was
    it because there were Serbs too close, or was the rescue team not
    ready?
    
    Axel

    he needed time to pick out an outfit and put makeup on.

 He was beginning to enjoy the bug diet

    his beard hadn't come in the way he wanted it yet

    Previous radio contacts were not certain- they never were sure it was
    him, coulda been captors trying to lure in rescue choppers for an
    ambush.
    
    He was evading, hiding during daylight, and moving at night to get to
    someplace where rescuers could get to him.  He was also conserving his
    radio batteries.  He made contact 2:30am Thursday morning with an
    overflying F16, they handed him off to AWACS, they got the rescue force
    scrambled from the carrier and covering jets from other locales, to him
    within four hours.  
    
    He was alone in enemy territory, being sought by armed men, and he kept
    his cool, followed his training, used his brains, and did all the right
    things to maximize his chances. He still had a smoke cannister (carried
    it for six days, used it two minutes before the choppers got to him). 
    He still had his sidearm (in his hand while running for the chopper.)
    
    DougO

    
    He's going to sing "Hakuna Matata" at the White House reception.

>                    -< takes backbone to eat invertebrates >-

I suspect many spineless folks eat crustaceans and mollusks.

    It took 5 1/2 days to get his exact location.  They were picking
    up a signal he trasmitted steadily after first going down; but
    when he tried to conserve the batteries they weren't picking up
    on it all the time.  They wanted to know the exact location if
    possible because they expected ground fire coming at them.  They
    also had to make sure it was O'Grady using the radio and not the
    Serbs; fortunately for him a buddy recognized his voice.  Once
    they were sure they had the location, the Marines were ordered to
    move.
    
    I thought it was pretty terrific to turn on the tube when the
    alarm went off this AM in time to see O'Grady returning to Aviano.
    His commanding officer said exactly what Paul pointed out; they
    pilots have excellent survival training and O'Grady's ability to
    keep his head, not panic and remember the training is what enabled
    him to survive.
    

    Pilots go to SERE school... Survival,Evasion,Resistance,Escape...
    Pilots learn how to avoid capture and how to survive during captivity..

>Singer Neil Diamond's "Come to America" blared out from loudspeakers ...

whereupon O'Grady asked to be taken back to Bosnia to get away from
the "music."

    <----- thinking very much the same thing I was.  

    He's lucky they didn't really put on the dog and play Roseanne's
    version of the Star Spangled Banner.

    
      By the way, in Senate hearings the day before the rescue, General
     Shali was asked point-blank by a senator whether the marines had a
     confirmed communication from the pilot.  General Sh (etc) said,
     "No", thus committing the felony of lying to Congress.  He knew
     perfectly well the truth was, "Yes".
    
      So would you prosecute him ?
    
      bb

    oh ya, let's string 'em up...
    
    Chip

    
    re: .32
    
     Seems a perfect question to ask Silva...
    

    .32
    
    > the day before the rescue, General
    > Shali was asked ... whether the marines had a
    > confirmed communication from the pilot.  General Sh (etc) said,
    > "No", thus committing the felony of lying to Congress.
    
    Gasbag, are you always so clueless?  The day before the rescue, the
    Marines had NOT had a CONFIRMED contact with the pilot.  They had had
    several contacts that MIGHT have been from O'Grady.  Not until an F-16
    pilot who was a buddy of O'Grady confirmed the identity of the voice on
    the ground, 2 hours and 46 minutes before the snatch force was
    launched, had there been a CONFIRMED contact.

    
    
    Come on, Dick, I'm sure that they had confirmed contact.  For a critter
    to ask this question in this forum was just plain ole dumb and the
    officer was perfectly correct in answering the way he did to protect
    the lost soldier.
    
    
    Mike

 Re Neil Diamond, etc...are we going to break out the yellow ribbons and 
 have parades for the next 6 months?

	I think it's great that he's back, and having him back is
	worth a celebration.

	But I wonder why anyone would think he's any more of a hero
	than any other flyboy who went on a mission and returned
	without being shot down...

/john

    .36
    
    Mike, the Marine colonel and the admiral were both pretty specific in
    saying they'd been hearing from a survival radio since O'Grady went
    down but that there was a possibility the Boserbs were using it to lure
    'Muricans.  The first confirmed contact, i.e., the first time they
    could be absolutely sure it was O'Grady, came in the predawn hours of
    the day of the rescue, when an F-16 from O'Grady's wing overflew the
    area where he was.

> the words "Welcome Home Zulu" awaited O'Grady at Aviano.

That's funny, he doesn't look Zulu.  And I don't think "O'Grady" is a Zulu name.

    Maybe Zulu is his handle.

    
    
    Dick,
    
    I understand that's what they've been saying in the public eye, but I
    don't know whether that is or is not the whole truth.  I suspect it
    isn't and I think they are justified if they didn't give the whole
    story.
    
    
    Mike
    

    .42
    
    Actually, Mike, Gasbag was even farther off base than I indicated. 
    General Shalikashvili actually said, very carefully, words to the
    effect that we didn't have definite status on the pilot.  He never
    actually said we hadn't had contact with him.  I heard his testimony on
    NPR, that arm of the limolib antichrist movement.

    
    re: Note 455.38
    
    I'm not sure it's a celebration of his heroism as much as it is a
    celebration of his return from a harrowing experience.  Sort of like 
    the parades given Persian Gulf Vets, not all were heroes but all went
    through a difficult experience.
    
    Before going to VN I went through what is known as SERE training
    (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) which teaches you how to cope with
    being in similar circumstances.  I have a tremendous amount of respect
    for this guy surviving for 6 days.
    
    al
    
        
                                    

    
      Dick, OK, maybe we could weasel out of it in court.  "Confirmed,
     the senator asked for confirmed.  But we didn't know for sure."
     In some sense, after all, the only confirmation would be when
     they debrief O'Grady and see he isn't a Serb lookalike.
    
      My point was that this is a case in which the oath an officer
     takes might well ne in conflict with his oath before the hearing,
     even if it might not have actually been (I still think it was).
    
      But then, he could always hire OJ's dreamteam...
    
      bb

    
      And by the way, yellow ribbons wouldn't be Neil Diamond, would it ?
    
      I thought it was Tony Orlando.
    
      bb

    .45
    
    Bob, the NPR commentators made the point that Gen S. was being VERY
    careful NOT to lie.  His answers were evasive, yes, but they were not
    untrue.  And he was wise, as Mike says, to avoid being more positive. 
    Better to downplay the hopes, because pleasant surprises are always
    better than nasty ones.

 Yes it was Tony Orlando.  I mentioned Mr. Diamond because the whole scene of
 his "Coming to America" reminded me of the parades and yellow ribbons that 
 went on and on and on and on and on after the end of the Gulf War.




 Jim

    RE: .43
    
    For a minute there I thought Easty was back, phew.  

    
    
    I'd like to see the Beasty boy back.
    
    
    

    No you wouldn't.

    
>>    For a minute there I thought Easty was back, phew.  

	wachoo mean "phew"?  'twould be the cause for much rejoicing,	
	perhaps a little dancing in the aisles.  

    
    
    Yeah I would, Dick, he alway added a juno say kwaa to the box....

    I thought mine ice were plane trix onto me.  

    He was a high-handed twerp.
    
    Damn, I miss the SOB.

	brainiest of the lot

>    He was a high-handed twerp.

I saw one of those when I was out birdwatching the other day.

>	brainiest of the lot

Binder's no dummy either -- I think he spelled Shali-whatsit right.

    Gen. Shallikisstheshovel should get a nice little glyph like TAFKAP so
    we could all play along.  

  you're no slouch yourself, mr. sacks. ;>

    Don't be so hard on Gerald Di.  Gerald is quite a slouch when he wants
    to be.  

I'm slouching right now.  Don't tell my mother.

    
     Well, djinn sax, you wuz jest babed.
    
     bb

  nah, i'm not a babe.

Djinn?  Never touch the stuff.

    .64
    
    I'll take bets on that.

    	re .27 -- S.E.R.E
    
    	Air Force Academy used to do it each summer with the cadets,
    	but some complained that it was "too realistic" and it has
    	been discontinued.
    
    	As the current and future airmen hot the skies, we may see
    	more of these situations coming to tragic endings instead of
    	the way this one turned out...

 .66  foof... hey, if you're looking to throw your money away,
      i could give you my dcu account number. 

    
    Lady Di is a lovely, charming, and intelligent sort.  That makes her a
    babe in my books.

    
    i have to concur with mz debara, yes, I do.

  .69  I paid her to say that.  And handsomely, I might add.  

Are those of us who are lovely charming intelligent male-type persons "babes?"

    
    	re: .72
    
    	nah....
    
    

    
    No, "hunks".

    Funny how Slick Willy invited him to the White House.  I wonder if
    they'll let him wear his uniform.  Maybe Hillary will have him serve
    hors d'ouevres to the guests before dinner.

    btw - Willy and his buds smoked cigars on the Truman balcony to
    celebrate the rescue.  No word yet on whether he inhaled or not.
    
    Somehow the real heros have been forgotten - the Marines who rescued
    him.

    Mike

    	Pilot says that he was so in need of water that he even wrung
    	the water out of his soked woolen socks...

    
    
    	MMMMmmm...yummy....:)
    
    

Re .67

 	>As the current and future airmen hot the skies, we may see
        >more of these situations coming to tragic endings instead of
        >the way this one turned out...

They may not do survival training at the academy anymore, but not all the
USAF pilots go there.  I am sure some survival training must be done later on
when they actually go to flight school.  Pilots are too valuable to the
military in terms of money spent on training etc.  Us ground pounders were
expendable however.

Paul

    it is so wonderful that this brave strong man made it back from hell on
    earth. the man is a roll model for all those little kiddies that dream
    of seeing dead and rotten corpses littering streets. i love this guy if
    i was a homosexual i would be hopping on the next plane to where ever
    this big brave macho hunk of darling super brave man was living and
    give him a big peck on the cheek and say thanks that there are still
    such brave and cunning and just plain old wonderful people out there.
    reaqlly this guy is such a hero such a man he is so wonderful so great
    i just cant stop this guy is perfect he is the best like he really
    makes me dance you know like i love this guy really i am going to get
    pictures and a swath of his dirty underwear because there are no flies
    on this guy he is the greatest.

    
    Don't hold back, Chris, tell us how you REALLY feel.
    
    
    
    
    Rob
    

    >> btw - Willy and his buds smoked cigars on the Truman balcony to
    >> celebrate the rescue.  No word yet on whether he inhaled or not.
    
    Hey, hey, I thought Commandant Hillary had outlawed the burning and
    inhalation of tobacco products on White House property.  What gives?
    
    Meanwhile, pilot O'Grady has been so relieved and grateful to his
    rescuers that he probably hasn't given much thought to the notion
    that he's rescuing someone as well.
    
    
    re: "he's a roll model"
    
    See one of the other topics in here for the Poppin' Fresh discussion...
    
    Chris

    
    .80
    
    You drink while working, Chris?
    

    I drink on average 4oz of scotch a week. Who would would want to ruin
    such an enjoyable experience (drinking scotch) and the go to work.
    

    coupla' points... 
    
    - it was the media and everyone else that drove the public to this
      heightened state of admiration for the pilot (and rightly so).
      is he more of a hero than the guys who made it back? i'll bet
      my bank account that the guys who made it back would say yes.
      of course, you're free to your opinion.
    
    - the Marines are not forgotten. if you looked up humble pie in the
      dictionary there would be a picture of this guy. he enthusiastically
      declared his rescuers as the real heroes.
    
    - BC inviting him the WH... Duh! et a grip and pick on something the
      he deserves to be maligned about. 
    
      hey, maybe he should have confined him at Leavenworth for the
      destruction of gov't property... 
    
       Chip    

    Reasons, according to a town meeting with locals in Clarmont NH. Our
    prez said he didn't want to send in our guys cause, most of the men
    there have no guns. The issues were if the UN had no guns they would
    not be inclined to shot back. Insead they became hostages. And now we
    gotta bail/bale em out.....
    
    

    
    From the Jay Leno show.....
    
    "Pilot O'Grady was invited to the White House by his Commander in Chief,
    but supposedly declined because he had enough guys shooting at him."
    
    billn'hill probably wanted to tell him personally that they were going to
    deduct the cost of his F16 from his pay and pension.    
    
    JLB 

According to the White House, Clinton doesn't smoke cigars, he just chews on
them.  Yuck!

    .80 is one major run-on sentence.

    Re: chewing on it
    
    either way, his mouth is full of it.

    .89 gee, i hope no one was seriously injured.

    
      Actually, it is sort of sentences.  It's just punctuation depleted.
    
      bb

    
    O'Grady dined at the White House last night.  No bugs were on the menu.
    

        no, the pests were seated around him....

    :-)
    Dan

    Interesting interview with OBready on CNN.
    Interesting what he said.
    
    The serbs were shooting with machineguns, APCs, shoulder launched
    rokets, AAA and handheld guns at the helos, when the Marines got
    him out.
    
    Interesting also what he didn`t say.
    
    What do you think, did the the pilots of the Marines SuperCobra attack
    helos when the SAR helo got under fire ? Twiddle thumbs ?
    
    Must have been a heck of a firework.
    
    Kurt

    
    Alain Marie used to be on MINNY:: 8^(.

    	re .93
    
    	O'Grady also declined the salad.  

I don't believe this guy's a hero, at least in the conventional sense of the
word.  He was doing his job and he got shot down and he conducted himself as he
was trained to do.  The more important lesson here is that most of his collegues
would have come thru this experience as O'Grady did.  This is more a tribute
to their training and discipline than to individual heroism.

If we must have our heroes, then let them be selected from the personnel who
volunteered to go to his rescue.  They put themselves in harm's way with the
very likly expecation of engagement.  Mr. O'Grady, while very aware of the
possibility of danger, launched that morning with the expectation that nothing
untoward would be happening that day.

On an unrelated point:  Beetles do not taste good.  Many of them excrete a
vinegar-like substance.  Fleshy grubs, tho', can be quite tasty.  

regards,

/mtp

    
     Ants, he said.  But they were hard to catch.
    
      bb

What I've seen, I like.  He's humble, and when called to the microphone has
insisted that the same honor be given to returned POWs and others who went
through much worse than a week in the woods.

             <<< Note 455.98 by DECWET::MPETERSON "Max Overhead" >>>
>                                -< Not a hero! >-

	Pretty much what Captain O'Grady said himself. But then of course
	the Marines were "just doing their job" too. 

Jim

    
    Sorry, John, but your note doesn't hold a candle to .80.
    

Don't ants secrete formic acid?  Any anteaters in the 'box?

    > Don't ants secrete formic acid?
    
    No, they're quite open about it and squirt it around with gay abandon.

<--------- Yes, actually ...
I once had the unfortunate experience of popping a cookie into my mouth that
had been in an opened pack (from the previous day) in the back seat of a car.
This was in a part of the country with which I was unfamiliar, I wasn't up to
speed on the local fauna's habits. Anyway, terrible taste, looked at the rest of
the thing, and it was covered with tiny black ants. Awful!!! Formic acid I
guess. Sure tasted strong and caustic.

I was driving down the freeway at the time, well, never mind. TTMYGgakT.

    
    	That's worse than the time I decided to pour a cup of coffee
    	from a pot that was made a couple hours previously, and noticed
    	[too late] that an ant had crawled in and drowned.
    
    	Very gross.  I don't bite into it or anything [since biting is
    	not a requirement while drinking coffee] but just the feeling
    	of an ant in my mouth was enough TMMGak [although I didn't].

    
    They used to teach us which ones to/not to eat during survival school
    way back when... Can't remember much of it though as I didn't think I'd
    ever need it after the service (well.. maybe if the ATF comes
    knocking...)
    

>    	             I don't bite into it or anything [since biting is
>    	not a requirement while drinking coffee] 

Depends on the coffee.

    so in exchange for wearing his uniform to the White House, did Hillary
    make him serve appetizers to the guests?

    re: a few back -
    
    Awwww, come on, give the guy his 15 minutes fame. In a couple of months
    nobody will even remember him.

      I ate a couple ants as a child.  As I recall, they tasted kind
      of like crabapples.
    
      I'm pretty sure they were army ants!!
    
      I think I liked my grandparent's dog's dogfood better!
    
    						Tony

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      I knew he was coming.  He's my only hope!
    
      I think he's mad because he wanted some of Ripper's dog
      food.

Supposedly there's an ant that doesn't secrete formic acid but secretes
something lemony instead.  They're considered a delicacy among the natives
of (whereever they are).  Supposedly there's an(other?) ant that has a
large amount of honey-like substance in its body, they're supposed to
be sweet and tasty.

    
      It isn't practical.  A human weighs about the same as 1,000,000
     ants, depending on the species, so it takes hundreds to make an
     ounce, thousands to make a modest meal.  Chitin is not very
     nourishing.  And our dextrous appendages are ill-suited to ant
     capture in bulk.  Furthermore, you'd have great trouble avoiding
     intake of too much grit for your digestive system.
    
      bb

    Speaking of delicacy, I once saw an earthworm cookbook. They said that
    the cookies were quite good.
    
    But I'll never know  :(
    
    ...Tom

    Nobody likes me 
    Everybody hates me
    I think I'll eat some worms...

I posted some earthworm recipes in here a few months ago.

    
    
    And we thank you most sincerely for doing so, yes we do 8^q.
    

While on a trip out to the "Outback", our Aboriginal guide showed us where 
to find ants and other nasties to eat. Being a good sport, I did try a 
couple and in fact, the ants we ate did taste like lemon. However, when he 
handed us each a whichity grub (small white squiggly thing) I swallowed it 
whole and only just stopped myself from hurling.... turned me off food for 
the rest of the day ...

re<<< Note 455.120 by TROOA::TRP109::Chris "dedicated sybarite" >>>

I think witchetty grubs are supposed to be BBQ'ed 

Then disposed of.


\Chele

    O'Grady seems like an OK guy who survived because he kept his
    head and followed his training.  I wonder what he really thought
    about being behind Bosnian lines one week and appearing on Larry
    King Live the following week :-0
    
    

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The remaining headers in this are as interesting as the report itself.


Subj:	I'm going to mail this back to my friend on the Kearsarge and close the 
loop! 
Subject: Rescue report
Subj:	FWD: FYI: Report from a participant (!) on the rescue of Scott O'Grady
ubject: FYI: Report from a participant (!) on the rescue of Scott O'Grady
To:     See Below

From:	US2RMC::"[email protected]"   21-JUN-1995 10:36:41.30
To:	[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], 
[email protected], orion::eppes
CC:	
Subj:	[[email protected]: The Scott "Zulu" O'Grady Rescue]

Everything about this blows my mind.

Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:26:25 EDT
From: " Gopal Nagarajan" <[email protected]>


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> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> To: [email protected]
>      Jeff,
>      Don't know if you have seen this yet.  Thought you'd enjoy
>      it.     Bob
>
>      PS.  Half of the story is the route this has taken to get
>      here from the Bosnia.  We now have given warriors the
>      technology to report directly from the battlefield rather
>      than leaving it to the news anchors to garble the story.
>      Could be a defining moment in news history.
>
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Author:  TDOLAN at PTPLAN2
> Date:    6/14/95 2:18 PM
>
> FYI
> Tom Dolan
> __________________________________
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Author:  [email protected] at INTERNET
> Date:    6/14/95 1:05 PM
>
> I thought you guys may find this interesting.
>
> Tony
> P.S.  BEAT NAVY!!
>
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Author:  [email protected] at !INTERNET
> Date:    06/14/95 10:12 AM
>
> =*=
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>
> Check out the forwarding history on this one!  Original E-mail from the F-16
> squadron at Aviano.
>
> Mike Cochrane '79
>
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Author:  Timothy Clapp at ~tea06
> Date:    6/14/95 9:38 AM
>
> Best story I've read in a long time.  Enjoy!
>
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Author:  ,"Avery, Mike MAJ (USACAP)" <[email protected]> at
> DDN/Internet
> Date:    6/13/95 1:18 PM
>
> Originated-by: "Avery, Mike MAJ (USACAP)" <[email protected]>
> To: Timothy Clapp <[email protected]>
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 13:18:00 PDT
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> Here's a true story for you.
>
> Mike
>  ----------
> Originated-by: Woltz, Al LTC
> To: VanDyke, L. MAJ (Div Chem); Boaldin, Bob; Davis, Walter C. MSG (DCSOPS);
> Neal, Barry MAJ; Toyama, Jann; Tune, John MW4; Wolozyn, Michael D. LTC;
> Avery, Mike MAJ (USACAP); 'MAJ Tom Woloszyn'
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Date: Monday, June 12, 1995 4:50PM
>
>
>  ----------
> Originated-by: Scott, Thomas D. COL (DCSOPS)
> To: Patykula, T. LTC; Aguigui, Henry SGM; Bailey, Kenneth R. (ADCSOPS);
> Ball, Stephen C. LTC; Belleperche, Keyko CPT; Carr, Audrey LTC; Durante,
> Kirk L. LTC; Gibson, Joe LTC; Krammer, Frank LTC; Sorensen, Clark LTC;
> Welch, Douglas LTC; Woltz, Al LTC
> Subject: FW: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Date: Monday, June 12, 1995 4:35PM
>
> FYI
>  ----------
> Originated-by: Pernell, Mark COL (DCSINT)
> To: Hale, David R. E. MG (DCG); Ord, Robert L. III LTG (CG); Wintrich,
> Frederick COL(DCofS); Scott, Thomas D. COL (DCSOPS)
> Subject: RESCUED! -- The Rest of the Story
> Date: Friday, 09 June, 1995 12:25
>
> Sir, FYI.
>  ----------
> Originated-by: Boyd, Kenneth K. CPT
> To: Pernell, Mark S. COL (DCSINT)
> Subject: FW: Fwd: RESCUED!
> Date: Friday, June 09, 1995 11:45AM
>
> For your reading pleasure,
>
>      Capt Boyd
>  ----------
> Originated-by: DOTW_Westberry
> To: ALL/DO
> Subject: RE: Fwd: RESCUED!
> Date: Friday, June 09, 1995 8:02AM
>
> Lets here it for the good guys!!!
>
> Westy
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> ___
> _
> Originated-by: [email protected] on Fri, Jun 9, 1995 3:57 AM
> Subject: Fwd: RESCUED!
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
>
> An awesome story...
>
> Crab
>  ---------------------
> Forwarded message:
> Originated-by:   [email protected] (Scott Zobrist)
> To:     [email protected] (STEPHEN G BOJACK),
> [email protected] (EDWARD W BROCKHAUS),
> [email protected] (Manning, Crab),
> [email protected] (JAMES C FOGLE),
> [email protected] (Jane/CCA),
> [email protected] (BRIAN J MCCULLOUGH),
> [email protected] (T.J. Miller),
> [email protected] (GREGORY A MOORE),
> [email protected] (PARKER J PENNINGS),
> [email protected] (MARC SASSEVILLE),
> [email protected] (TODD K SHEEHY),
> [email protected] (Chris Weggeman),
> [email protected] (Kunsan Weapons)
>
> Date: 95-06-08 19:32:48 EDT
>
> (8 Jun 95)
> To all my Viper buds and other Shit Hot Fighter Gods on the net -
>
>         It was a good day at Aviano!  As you guys have no doubt heard, we
> rescued Scott "Zulu" O'Grady today after 6 days of E&Eing in the Bosnian
> countryside.  We had an idea that he was still out there but hadn't had
> positive radio contact until about 0000Z this morning when Capt T.O. Hanford
> had some extra gas so he stayed in his CAP a little longer and tried to
> reach
> Zulu on the SAR A (PRC-112) freq from the day of the shoot down.
>  After about 40 minutes of calls in the blind, T.O. started getting some
> suspect clicks on the mike.  Finally, Zulu came up voice.  T.O. didn't have
> all the info from Zulu's ISOPREP so he came up with
> a quick way to verify it was indeed Zulu, although it sounded like Zulu
> recognized T.O.'s voice and called him by name (although the comm was weak
> since T.O. (Basher 11) was about 70 miles away).  The comm went something
> like this.
>
> "Basher 52 this is Basher 11"
> click
> "Basher 52, this is Basher 11, are you up on this freq"
> "This is Basher 52"
> "Say again, understand this is Basher 52"
> "This is Basher 52...I'm alive"
> "Say again, Basher 52, you are weak and unreadable, this is Basher 11"
> "This is Basher 52!"
>
> pause
>
> "Basher 52, what squadron were you in at Kunsan?"
> "Juvats!  Juvats!  I'm alive!"
> "Copy that, you're alive!  Basher 52, sit tight and come back up at 15 past
> the hour"
>
>         T.O. then started coordinating with Magic to pass words to the Deny
> Flight CAOC (command center) that he had positive radio contact with Basher
> 52.  They replied that T.O. should pass the word "manana" to Basher 52.
>  When he did, Zulu replied "I want to get picked up tonight!" (imagine
> that).  So T.O. passed that to the CAOC and the decision was made to press
> with a rescue.  We were 2 hours before sunrise so it would be daylight but
> there was concern (rightly so) that word would get out to the press and
> every SA-6 in the AOR would be mobile and spiking us and the rest of the
> rescue package.  So they went ASAP.
>
>         T.O. stayed airborne (now at about the 4 hour point in his sortie -
> one note here:  T.O. got high marks for wingman consideration for advising
> his wingman that it was a good time to take a piss on the way to the tanker!
>  That video clip probably won't make CNN ) and the 510 FS Buzzards scrambled
> our alert guys (I was #2).  Unfortunately, Vaughn "Slot" Littlejohn and I
> had just gone from 60 minute alert to 180 minute alert and I had headed home
> to get some sleep.  The phone rang at about 0255L (after about 10 minutes of
> sleep) telling me to get in there ASAP.  I was back at the SQ in 15 minutes.
>  Before I was even in the door, our ADO, Phil "Psycho" Sever told me we had
> positive radio contact, get dressed, step, crank, and taxi ASAP - I would
> meet SLOT in EOR whenever he made it in.  We were in the air at about 0400L
> (1+05 from a dead sleep at home) loaded with 2xGBU-12s, 2 slammers, 2 9Ms, a
> 131 pod, and 2 tanks (Standard DF SCL).  We swapped out with T.O. manning
> the cap and staying in touch with Zulu every 15 minutes.  A SEAD package was
> getting airborne as T.O. started his RTB.  We had a plan with the F-18Ds
> (Harm shooters (kind of), with NVGs and a WSO), EFs, and EA-6Bs to try to
> establish contact.  But since we already had contact, the F-18s just did a
> recce run to get a good fix on him and to check the weather.
>
>         Meanwhile, Zobe the hero, callsign Rock 42, was hanging on Slot's
> wing 70 miles away listening to the whole thing, ensuring my tape was on.  I
> can't wait to tell my grandkids about the day I put all my Weapons School
> training to use - "No shit, kids, there I was - tape on, tape off, tape on,
> tape off.  The pressure was incredible!"  Seriously, although I didn't do
> shit, it was shit hot to listen to the entire mission unfolding.  The helos
> were inbound, authenicating Zulu (they asked him what he was called in high
> school when he got drunk!)  With a good ID they moved in, had Zulu pop some
> smoke, and picked him up.  The whole thing from the authentication to the
> pick-up was about 10 minutes (seemed like an eternity).  To hear comm like,
> "Basher 52, got you in sight", was pretty moving, especially after thinking
> for most of the week that Zulu was a mort ("Wilbur" Wright didn't see a
> chute, no radio contact, etc.)  I've
> never been choked up in the jet before, but I was this morning.
>
>         Unfortunately, they weren't out of danger yet.  We hit the tanker
> and when we came back up to Magic freq the helos were about 13 miles from
> feet
> wet.  Then I heard the escort chopper, c/s Bull, say, "Bud, impacts
> underneath
> you.  SAMS IN THE AIR!  SAMS IN THE AIR!"  FUCK!!  Luckily, they missed,
> although they took some small arms fire and apparently the gunner from Bull
> silenced that.  About 10 minutes later, we heard the call that they were
> feet
> wet, then shortly after that that they had "mother in sight" (the ship), two
> more bits of comm that I will never forget.
>
>         So we got one of our own back.  What a day.  I wish we could have
> done more in the rescue but it was almost entirely a Navy and Marine show
> (we and the mud-eagles were in the cap) and they kicked ass.  So don't bad
> mouth the squids and jarheads too loudly - they put on a good act today and
> we've got a Viper driver back because of it.
>
>         I thought you might enjoy hearing the story straight from the CSAR
> Commander of VTR Ops!  Hope it wasn't too mushy, but after all, I did cry
> when I watched Old Yeller.  That's just the emotional type of guy I am!
>  Hope all is well with you guys at your various bases.  Drop me a line and
> let me know what's up.  Fly safe, check six, and pray for the UN leadership
> to get a clue and let us blow these bastards back into the stone age!
>
> Zobe
>
>

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    i jes' love that macho jet driver lingo!

>           <<< Note 455.124 by CALDEC::RAH "a wind from the East" >>>
>    i jes' love that macho jet driver lingo!

Yah, so macho it'll probably get deleted for the big RO.

    
    In the Globe yesterday there was little blurb that he has been
    confined, temporarily, to a wheelchair due to foot problems he is
    experiencing.  Seems he is having problems from having his socks and
    boots wet and on for 6 days.
    
    Mary
    

    .126
    
    Sounds like trenchfoot.  Any WWI Tommy who was a member of the PBI
    could sympathize.

    .90  OUTSRC::HEISER
    
    if i'm full of it then i can smell you from here.
    

    Re: POLAR::WILSONC
    
    that was addressed to Slick Willy.  You ain't he.