Title: | Soapbox. Just Soapbox. |
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A note for all the non-Christian soapbox participants without children, who would like nothing better than to be able to sit down with a good NC-17 movie, do the nasty with their SO without the watchful eye of Newt, and walk down the street without having our sense of taste assaulted by a plaster sculpture of the madonna sitting on Lexington Battle Green. This is your note to vent frustration on the Christian Coalition's Contract on Independent Thought.
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425.1 | ASDG::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Tue May 16 1995 13:16 | 12 | |
The Cook, the Thief, the Wife and Her Lover, Bad Lieutenant and Henry:Portrait of a Serial Killer, were all really good movies. My brother and I grew up on a steady diet of punk rock, Monty Python and computer text adventure games. Today we both hold down real jobs, and pay more in taxes than anyone with a house and kids. I'm officially incorporating the Church of Elvis right now, so that I can put tacky Elvis memorabilia on the Hatch Shell as a sign of my faithfulness to the one and only King. Lisa | |||||
425.2 | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | You-Had-Forty-Years!!! | Tue May 16 1995 13:22 | 3 | |
Lisa: Only single people or DINCS can reply here?? | |||||
425.3 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue May 16 1995 13:27 | 4 | |
> Today we both hold down real jobs, > and pay more in taxes than anyone with a house and kids. You pay more in taxes than William Weld? | |||||
425.4 | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | You-Had-Forty-Years!!! | Tue May 16 1995 13:55 | 15 | |
What I find interesting is that Lisa doesn't site the PC crowd when it comes to defying independent thought. I was listening to David Brudnoy last Friday and he had a writer to had an article in Playboy called, "The Safe Generation...Preparing our Children for a PC World". It focused solely on our Colleges and Universities and the atrocities going on...how free thought is squelched and debate is at a standstill in our secondary schools...lest we offend somebody in speaking the truth. It is well documented over the last few years that the bent on liberalism is to squelch free thought and implement PC talk. I find it amazing Lisa, that you seem to show a blind eye to this! -Jack | |||||
425.5 | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | A Repo Man is always intense | Tue May 16 1995 13:56 | 1 | |
Rat-on, Lisa! | |||||
425.6 | SMURF::MSCANLON | alliaskofmyselfisthatiholdtogether | Tue May 16 1995 14:07 | 16 | |
I honestly don't care if people have a "Mary on the half shell" anywhere they want. If it's important to them, and it gives them comfort, let it be. The problem with independent thought is that we've stopped teaching people how to think to begin with. If we were still teaching thought, most of the stupid stuff would fall through the cracks where it belonged, and people would watch a whole lot less television. We don't encourage debate, individuality, creativity or independent thought anymore. We encourage teamwork, political correctness and right-thinking. We heard people into groups and use peer and societal pressure to ensure they are all thinking the same thing. Yes, life in the nineties is truely boring if you enjoy good conversation. Mary-Michael | |||||
425.7 | The material girl ? | GAAS::BRAUCHER | Tue May 16 1995 14:09 | 3 | |
Madonna is appearing in Lexington ? When are tix on sale ? bb | |||||
425.8 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Tue May 16 1995 14:11 | 11 | |
RE: .6 Mary-Michael, I daresay you have summed up what I've been thinking better than I could have hoped to! And Jack is 100% correct in pointing out that the Christian Coalition hardly has a lock on such nonsense. -b | |||||
425.9 | Wisdom to One Is Foolishness To Another... | LUDWIG::BARBIERI | Tue May 16 1995 14:14 | 10 | |
In trying to be as generic as possible, I think that to be loving is the only thing that makes any sense in this world and to be unloving makes no sense whatsoever. For me, the above may be the beginning of wisdom and to try to suggest anything else to be worthy of attainment is foolishness. Far from the mark, but hopefully getting closer to it... Tony | |||||
425.10 | Aw, c'mon - don't tell me he's a voyeur | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Tue May 16 1995 14:19 | 4 |
I wasn't aware of the fact that Newt was casting a watchful eye on those who were doing the nasty with their SO while watching NC-17 movies. | |||||
425.11 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Tue May 16 1995 15:20 | 5 | ||
>Madonna is appearing in Lexington ? Barring an earthquake, yes, Madonna will be appearing and I hear that the opening act is supposed to be second to none. | |||||
425.12 | BIGQ::SILVA | Diablo | Tue May 16 1995 15:24 | 11 | |
| <<< Note 425.4 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "You-Had-Forty-Years!!!" >>> | It focused solely on our Colleges and Universities and the atrocities going | on...how free thought is squelched and debate is at a standstill in our | secondary schools...lest we offend somebody in speaking the truth. Jack, guess it would depend on what one perceived the truth was, and if it equalled reality. | |||||
425.13 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue May 16 1995 15:28 | 1 | |
You can see Madonna at Our Lady of the Battle Green in Lexington. | |||||
425.14 | DASHER::RALSTON | Anagram: Lost hat on Mars | Tue May 16 1995 15:30 | 6 | |
>Barring an earthquake, yes As you have probably heard, this is much more likely to happen this year then last. ...Tom (trying to add some Thumperism to this quite boring topic.) :) | |||||
425.15 | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Tue May 16 1995 15:34 | 6 | |
RE: 425.4 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "You-Had-Forty-Years!!!" > What I find interesting is that Lisa doesn't site the PC crowd when it > comes to defying independent thought. Site, Cite. | |||||
425.16 | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | You-Had-Forty-Years!!! | Tue May 16 1995 15:40 | 1 | |
uhhh....sorry | |||||
425.17 | specificity prevents aliasing | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | luxure et supplice | Tue May 16 1995 15:43 | 6 |
Perhaps, Lisa, you should modify the title to reflect the fact that you are venting at the "Christian Coalition's Contract on Independent Thought" as opposed to the Clinton/Schumer Contract on Independent Thought, the Political Correctness Movement's Contract on Independent Thought, or any of the others. | |||||
425.18 | WECARE::GRIFFIN | John Griffin ZKO1-3/B31 381-1159 | Tue May 16 1995 15:48 | 3 | |
The Bad Lieutenant was rubbish. | |||||
425.19 | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Tue May 16 1995 15:52 | 8 | |
>> The Bad Lieutenant was rubbish. 'twas a bit rough, shall we say. ;> keitel was good, as usual, though. | |||||
425.20 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Tue May 16 1995 16:37 | 3 | ||
>The Bad Lieutenant was rubbish. I agree. The Good Mother was much better. | |||||
425.21 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Tue May 16 1995 16:37 | 3 | |
Yeabut, the Good Son sucked. | |||||
425.22 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Tue May 16 1995 16:40 | 1 | ||
He was just a Bad Seed. | |||||
425.23 | POBOX::BATTIS | Land shark,pool shark | Tue May 16 1995 16:40 | 2 | |
Goodfellows, was good. | |||||
425.24 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Tue May 16 1995 16:42 | 3 | |
Did he have a Good Morning Vietnam? | |||||
425.25 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Tue May 16 1995 16:42 | 1 | ||
And who could forget the GoodFather. | |||||
425.26 | POBOX::BATTIS | Land shark,pool shark | Tue May 16 1995 16:54 | 2 | |
As well as the Goodfather parts II & III. | |||||
425.27 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue May 16 1995 16:55 | 3 | |
> Yeabut, the Good Son sucked. Whom? Bill Todman? | |||||
425.28 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Tue May 16 1995 16:59 | 1 | ||
Ever see The Nasty Girl? | |||||
425.30 | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Tue May 16 1995 17:08 | 11 | |
RE: 425.17 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "luxure et supplice" > Perhaps, Lisa, you should modify the title to reflect the fact that you > are venting at the "Christian Coalition's Contract on Independent Thought" That's the only one that's having a big impact on Merrimack, New Hampshire. Perhaps your mileage may vary, but multi-month long debate on "is teaching critical thinking a good thing?" was pretty educational. Phil | |||||
425.31 | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Tue May 16 1995 19:39 | 6 | |
What's this about a statue of the Mother of God appearing on the Lexington Battle Green? I'd be rather surprised if the Christian Coalition had anything to do with it. /john | |||||
425.32 | CSC32::J_OPPELT | He said, 'To blave...' | Tue May 16 1995 20:04 | 3 | |
Tom -- Does this topic add to your thumper index? | |||||
425.33 | DASHER::RALSTON | Anagram: Lost hat on Mars | Tue May 16 1995 20:38 | 5 | |
No, it is difficult to determine whether non-thumper topic titles are indeed thumper topics. If anyone has a spare man-year they can do an evaluation. :) ...Tom | |||||
425.34 | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | luxure et supplice | Wed May 17 1995 07:50 | 3 | |
>That's the only one that's having a big impact on Merrimack So I've heard. And heard. And heard. | |||||
425.35 | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Wed May 17 1995 08:09 | 11 | |
RE: 425.34 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "luxure et supplice" >>> > So I've heard. And heard. And heard. Very little of this has been in Soapbox. Topic in New Hampshire notefile is only 307 replies: hardly close to the standard of the hunting debate. I'd like to know where you have heard about this so much, if you don't mind. Phil | |||||
425.36 | what a mess | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | luxure et supplice | Wed May 17 1995 08:24 | 3 |
The Telegraph has been covering the goings on in Merrimack for months. Sounds like you guys got yourselves on heap of trouble out there; creationism science? Sheesh. | |||||
425.37 | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Wed May 17 1995 08:53 | 8 | |
RE: 425.36 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "luxure et supplice" > what a mess Nothing a few thousand votes can't cleanup. Phil | |||||
425.38 | SUBURB::COOKS | Half Man,Half Biscuit | Wed May 17 1995 13:57 | 9 | |
Can`t say I find Monty Python very funny to be honest. What`s all that "Ministry of silly walks" and "dead parrott joke" all about? What a load of rubbish. Give me Benny Hill or Syd James any day. | |||||
425.39 | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Indeedy Do Da Day | Wed May 17 1995 14:02 | 1 | |
{look of astonishment} | |||||
425.40 | POWDML::LAUER | Little Chamber of Creamy Presents | Wed May 17 1995 14:19 | 3 | |
{thud} | |||||
425.41 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Wed May 17 1995 14:22 | 51 | |
Well, typical of the hyperbole I've come to expect from the base-noter, it seems serious discussion on the topic has been quashed. However, there are a few elements of the Contract with the American Family that are worthy of note. While I cannot claim to remember all of the elements, the important ones include: - Prayer in Schools The moment of silence. I am against this, on the ground that it is unnecessary. The moment of silence will have no effect on the overwhelming problems facing our educational system. It is purely symbolic, and in my opinion, without merit. - Public display of religious symbols A Pandora's box... while this paves the way for the seemingly innocuous nativity scene on the town common, I wonder how the Christian contingent would feel about the Wiccans erecting a pentagram? The Christians can't have it both ways... either they must tolerate all manner of religious symbols, or such symbols must be prohibited from public lands. - Abortion The only abortion provision in the contract is one that cancels federal funding of abortions. This one I support. While pro-choice, I'm not keen to pay for anyone's abortions. - Remove funding from PBS Part of the overall conservative agenda, I support this. - Remove funding from the NEA I also support this, on the basis that the NEA actually hurts art, not helps it. With a Republican congress, will the liberals who support the NEA be willing to let the Repubs decide what art should be subsidized? Helms approved art something you want? Didn't think so. Removing funding means that art is not controlled by anyone's political agenda, and this strikes me as a good thing. Same thing applies to PBS. - School Choice Reaffirmation of the voucher concept. I have yet to conclude whether I support this or not. | |||||
425.42 | Basicall yagree. | POBOX::ROCUSH | Wed May 17 1995 15:27 | 33 | |
Re: 41 The base note, as seems to be obvious to most respondents, was a poor attempt to start another bashing topic. Not much else to say about such drivel. As far as your enumeration of the items I guess, overall, I tend to suppport them with certain caveats. The Prayer in School issue gets more blown out of proportion with each passing year and the rantings of "Christian conspiracy" fringe. My basic take on the subject is, if it's voluntary, what difference does it make. If a school believes that starting the day with prayer may be beneficial to the students, then let's give a try. the absence of any moral teachings in school have certainly not provided a better society. It may just be worth letting schools try something radical on their own. Would like to see some real discussion on this instead of the knee-jerk No. Religious displays should also be encouraged and recognize all "major" religious sects. I realize that this may result in some fringe groups left out, but then fringe groups in all walks of life aren't always accomodated. I personally would like to see the local Municpal Center display the images that reflect the essential beliefs of the major groups within a community. I would certainly enjoy seeing people prepare and present the images of their holidays. I'm not sure if all religions have a particular display, but it would be interesting. All of these need to be discussed, but for many people the mere voicing of a religious belief should be outlawed. the rest of the points and your evaluation seem rational as well. | |||||
425.43 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Wed May 17 1995 15:38 | 13 | |
Re: .42 >If a school believes that starting the day with prayer may be >beneficial to the students Then tell kids to pray when they get out of bed. >the absence of any moral teachings in school have certainly not >provided a better society. School prayer does not provide any moral teachings, unless you read the prayer of the day over the loudspeaker. That would surely fail any test on separation of church and state. | |||||
425.44 | Rantings, but hardly fringe | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Wed May 17 1995 16:30 | 33 |
RE: 425.42 by POBOX::ROCUSH > The Prayer in School issue gets more blown out of proportion with each > passing year and the rantings of "Christian conspiracy" fringe. "Fringe"!?! You have got to be nuts. In Merrimack, we had nice, smiling faces, running for school board, making vague conservative type noises, claiming to be concerned parents, and denying any connection what so ever with the Christian Coalition _before_ the election. AFTER the election, one of them gets an all expense paid trip to be the KEYNOTE SPEAKER at the National Convention of the Christian Coalition, they voted in school prayer, they tried to vote in teaching biblical "scientific creationism", they tried to vote in passing out New Testaments to all the students, You gotta be nuts. It's not like they ran as Christian Coalition members and won. They ran Stealth. Under radar. I repeat, YOU GOTTA BE NUTS! This sort of trash is the most damaging thing possible for conservatives in general. Any conservative running for office that is a concerned parent, makes vague conservative type noises and denys membership in the Christian Coalition will be suspected by large numbers of voters of being just that. > My basic take on the subject is, if it's voluntary, what difference does > it make. Calling it voluntary is bogus. It is as voluntary as death and taxes, unless you got the money for private school. Phil | |||||
425.45 | CSC32::M_EVANS | proud counter-culture McGovernik | Wed May 17 1995 16:33 | 13 | |
Mr. rocush, Calling one of the oldest religions in the world "fringe" is offensive to many people. I truly believe that any religions younger than 4000 years of age should be considered upstart, cultish and "fringe" and should not be promoted in schools or public forums. Or are you saying that obscure shristian sects should also be banned from having input? Buddhists. moslems, hindu's? Inquiring minds ywould like to know. | |||||
425.46 | RDGE44::ALEUC8 | Wed May 17 1995 16:41 | 10 | ||
.9 hear hear - very Taoist except for this bit: >to suggest anything else to be worthy of attainment is foolishness. one must learn to live with opposites but be possessed by neither - truly a difficult thing to do ric | |||||
425.47 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Wed May 17 1995 16:51 | 5 | |
Re: .44 That's nothing. When I was in high school, we had someone running on the platform of eliminating humanism and Satanism in the schools. ("Darn, there go the virgin sacrifices at lunch.") | |||||
425.48 | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Wed May 17 1995 17:01 | 8 | |
RE: 425.47 by OOTOOL::CHELSEA "Mostly harmless." Chelsea, Would you please tell us exactly how many virgins you sacrificed at lunch? Enquiring Minds Want To Know. | |||||
425.49 | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | Trouble with a capital 'T' | Wed May 17 1995 17:02 | 5 | |
More importantly, how many could you find in high school?? Kindergarten, maybe. High school? Nah. | |||||
425.50 | Ancient joke... | GAAS::BRAUCHER | Wed May 17 1995 17:07 | 5 | |
I remember the line, "If every Vassar student were laid end-to-end..." bb | |||||
425.51 | What's the name of that song? | REFINE::KOMAR | The Barbarian | Wed May 17 1995 18:00 | 6 |
I went to a school that was near a town called Vestal. When the song that has the line "Vestal virgins" was played, the joke was that there were no Vestal virgins. ME | |||||
425.52 | POWDML::LAUER | Little Chamber of Creamy Presents | Wed May 17 1995 18:30 | 2 | |
Whiter Shade of Pale | |||||
425.53 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Wed May 17 1995 19:08 | 6 | |
Re: .48 >Would you please tell us exactly how many virgins you sacrificed at >lunch? Me? None. | |||||
425.54 | Phew, that feels better | ASDG::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Wed May 17 1995 19:35 | 142 |
I see that five minutes yesterday at lunch was not sufficient to clearly organize my thoughts. The reason I have singled out the Christian Coalition in my basenote is because I see them as having the political clout at the moment to affect my personal life. Yes, my personal life. If I cannot go down to my local vid store and choose an NC-17 tape because CFV has determined that such things are not suitable for 5 year olds, my life is affected. If I can't go out and see a Mapplethorpe exhibit at the ICA because a Christian group was offended by six out the hundreds of photos displayed, my life is affected. If I can't turn on my radio and hear what I want to listen to because Focus on the Family has deemed that music unhealthy for 10 year olds, my life is affected. If I can't go to my local library and borrow the books I want to read because they've been labeled heretical, my life is affected. If I have to sit through prayers to Jesus at a public gathering, even though I do not believe in that god, my life is affected. As for the other extremes, excessive "political correctness", I don't care for that either. The original idea of PC was admirable, to make people aware that actions stemming from long held stereotypes could be hurtful many people, especially in the workplace, where all colors and persuations of people earn their livelihood. Things like responding to a female co-workers presentation with "Have I told you your make-up looks especially nice today" or "Go get me some coffee", or "When are you going to get pregnant and quit". Or purposely scheduling some big business dealing on a Jewish holiday to dissuade the Jewish workers from taking the responsibility. Or making sure to tell "fag jokes" in front of an acquaintance who you saw out with his boyfriend the weekend before. The extreme elements of the "PC" movement have alienated people by invading into areas that don't concern them, and trying to eradicate things that weren't causing problems to begin with. Likewise, the extreme elements of the "anti-PC" backlash, are using the current popularity of the movement to justify downright rude behavior. Walking the line between the two requires one to engage their brain on both sides of the equation. One needs to think out what the bottom line is, and dea lwith situations that affect that bottom line. Example: At the workplace, the bottom line is to provide an enviroment where everyone can contribute to the team and get the product out the door. The concern is that while your employees are in the workplace, they are producing results, and working with other people regardless of color, gender, sexual persuasion, religion, etc. What they do once they walk out the door is none of your business if it doesn't impact their ability to perform tasks. Example: You have an apartment to rent. The bottom line is that you want someone who pays their rent on time and keeps the place in good condition. Why should it matter what god they pray to or who spends the night in their bedroom? The problem is, that deciding what's really important requires independent thought. The American Way for years has been to identify an unpleasant problem and then to a) ban it, b) look the other way, c) put a band-aid on the most easily curable symptom. Learning to deal with the problem has never been a popular solution because it requires looking at something you find ugly, probing it, and generally thinking for oneself. I've already been labelled a liberal PC lunatic in this string. Maybe I am, because I believe that pornography, action movies, sex, bad words, unwanted pregnancy, hate radio, daytime talk shows, enviromentalists, and condo developers are all parts of today's society, and they're not going to go away. Nor would I really want them to under forced conditions. Take pornography. Degrading to women, bad for my kid, etc. Why is there a need? What is missing that people need pornography? Are all people who partake in the activity doing harm to others? Are a couple who use it to jump start their sex life in the same category as someone who abducts people off the street to force them to participate in a scene that they saw in Torture Unlimited? Will outright banning it remove all the bad side effects from our society? Will banning all "non-christian" activities from American society really solve the problems we face in real life? Will a return to the nuclear family and traditional sex roles really bring back the "good-old-days"? Will removing everything that's not acceptable for a toddler from the airwaves really protect our children? Will "not talking" about ugly things make them go away? Will not associating with "people like that" make them disappear? No, it won't. Looking at root causes of unpleasant things, deciding what's a necessary evil and what's an acceptable risk, and what are really the societal taboos will help, but it requires seeing in shades of gray, and not digital black and white. Welfare: Those welfare queens are sapping society. (Black) Cut off the funding. (White) There are some bad apples who take advantage of the system. There are others who made poor choices when young, or were forced into hard situations. They want to improve their life, but lack the education or the means to get a real job (one with a living wage and health benefits). Separate the two kinds and help the ones who want to better their life. (Gray) But hey, I'm a working stiff and I can barely afford my mortgage and I can't afford to send my kids to school, why should some welfare queen <other minority> get an opportunity that I don't have USING MY TAX DOLLARS? As long as I don't have it, you can't have it either! (Black and White). Is the fact that your wages have gone down, there are fewer jobs to be had, or that health costs are spiralling really the fault of those minorities? Or is one of the causes Late 20th Century Business Practices? Or a changing marketplace? Or greed? Or a number of other things? (Gray) The dumbing of kids and their atrocious behavior: Is it really ALL the NEA's fault? Or "stupid courses"? Or does it have to do with boredom? Or the fact that afternoon activities that previously kept kids out of the malls are all being eliminated? Could the fact that greedy ad executives are more often targeting younger kids be affecting society's preoccupation with material goods? Is banning advertisements the way to stop this? Or is teaching the kids to see through the advertiser's glitzy images a better way to deal with it? My take on the whole thing is that as few things as possible should be "banned" outright. Let people use their brains and figure out how to deal with them. End the preoccupation with what people are doing behind closed doors. If it's not preventing you from obtaining your goals in life, what business is it of yours. Don't perpetuate the "neat little boxes" syndrome. People don't come in convenient categories. Everyone has good and bad in them. Look for the good and the bad and then judge whether this person is someone you want in your life. The whole Rush thing feeds off of people's desire for easy classification. Why do they want easy classification? Is it too overwhelming to deal with the gray areas? Why is it overwhelming? why can't we as a society deal with the gray? FWIW, I can't stand Rush, daytime talk shows, hate radio, the Christian Coalition, militant Hassidim, any religious fanatics out to convert the world. But I will never deny them the right to exist or to ban them. They are part of the world and we have to learn to co-exist with them. There are of course limits. When snipers attack the house of a black person, that is unacceptable. No one will argue. There are certain mores that are accepted throughout our society regardless of religion or political views. Murder of an already born person, rape, physical assault, stealing, lying, causing another person harm, these are the things we have legislation for. When a person is ensouled (if they even have a soul), who you should have sex with, what religion one practices, what you read at home or watch in the movies, how many kids you should have, what you drink or smoke in the privacy of your own house, these are things you can't legislate because there are no universal societal agreement. I could go on, but I have work to do (that work ethic, you know) and I'd like to get out of here before midnight. Lisa | |||||
425.55 | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Wed May 17 1995 20:27 | 4 | |
> "neat little boxes" syndrome Er, that's the "scummy_little_boxes" syndrome, Lisa. | |||||
425.56 | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Learning to lean | Wed May 17 1995 23:06 | 13 | |
Frankly, as a conservative Christian, I'm not entirely sure I support this "Christian Coalition" contract. I haven't seen the whole thing, however. However, while there is much in this world that I find quite offensive, legislating it away is not the answer, in my opinion. Certainly is not going to win a lot of folks to Jesus Christ. Hearts must be changed, and that can't be done by legislation. Jim | |||||
425.57 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu May 18 1995 10:17 | 3 | |
re .51: Vestal, NY? | |||||
425.58 | SMURF::MSCANLON | alliaskofmyselfisthatiholdtogether | Thu May 18 1995 10:26 | 6 | |
re: .54 You've said much of what I've been trying to say, and far better than I could have said it. Thanks. Mary-Michael | |||||
425.59 | Does it work both ways. | POBOX::ROCUSH | Thu May 18 1995 10:40 | 20 | |
Boy, I've seen a lot of convoluted reasoning in these topics before, but none like the last few. Somebody complains that a conservative Christian won office without making a mjor point of their deepest feelings. Well, I suppose it has never happened that someone paraded as a conservative and once in office showed their true liberal stripe? I thappens on both sides and it's wrong, but I don't recall you ever complaining when it went the other way. When I talked about major religions I realized that there are many fringe, and I do mean fringe groups that might not be generally recognized. The age of a religion does not make it a mjor religion. Complaints about the side issues never address what the irreversible harm might be. History does not support your crisis mode. If the idea that every opinion and personal feeling, belief or life style is equally valid and should be protected then you negate your argument about the laws restricting what can and can not be said, done, etc in the workplace. You want it one way and argue for it, but the same argument to the other side appears to be invalid to you. | |||||
425.60 | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | You-Had-Forty-Years!!! | Thu May 18 1995 10:57 | 28 | |
ZZ Example: You have an apartment to rent. ZZ The bottom line is that you want someone who pays their rent on ZZ time and keeps the place in good condition. Why should it matter what ZZ god they pray to or who spends the night in their bedroom? Lisa, I had the privelage of leasing a townhouse to a couple a few years ago. They were not married, yet my feeling was they have to determine their own destinies. I do however vehemently state the following. IT IS MY RIGHT to be discriminatory in these matters, and it IS NOT YOUR RIGHT to tell me how I am going to conduct my personal affairs. Just like the abortion issue, I reserve the very same right to self determination and it is NOT the peoples business to determine how bigoted or discriminatory I will be. As long as it affects MY wallet, you keep out. Same goes with other things you mentioned. The Maplethorpe exhibit for example. As long as they keep their dirty laudry to themselves, they can exhibit their non art wherever. Demand will determine their success. However, when I have to fund such garbarg, then I as a citizen have the right to squawk and have the right to be heard. Bottom line is, if the left element of our society had not foisted all this crap upon the masses in the first place, then the Christian Coalition would not be is a position of prominence. You did it to yourself! -Jack | |||||
425.61 | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | luxure et supplice | Thu May 18 1995 11:06 | 9 | |
>If I cannot go down to my local vid store and choose an NC-17 >tape [...], my life is affected. >What is missing that people need pornography? Well, Lisa, what's missing? :-) Imagination, or proper instruction? :-) | |||||
425.62 | POWDML::LAUER | Little Chamber of Creamy Presents | Thu May 18 1995 11:09 | 2 | |
Um...since when is NC-17 pornography? | |||||
425.63 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu May 18 1995 11:11 | 3 | |
Jack, suppose you wanted to rent an apartment in some town, and no landlord would consider you because you're Christian. Would you slink away to the next town? | |||||
425.64 | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | You-Had-Forty-Years!!! | Thu May 18 1995 11:39 | 4 | |
Personally, yes, I would. I don't force myself where I am not wanted...except here that is! :-) -Jack | |||||
425.65 | TROOA::COLLINS | must ipso facto half not be | Thu May 18 1995 11:40 | 8 | |
Note 425.60 >I do however vehemently state the following. IT IS MY RIGHT to be >discriminatory in these matters No it's not. | |||||
425.66 | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Thu May 18 1995 11:42 | 3 | |
.64 Am I the only one who has trouble believing that? | |||||
425.67 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 11:45 | 12 | |
While everyone is rushing up to Lisa to give her the "yeah yeah, bravo bravo" -- and far be it from me to ruin her parade -- but her little diatribe has virtually nothing to do with the Contract with the American Family. I tried to point this out to her earlier, but was ignored. Apparently, I'm dealing with a write-only device. Now back to your regularly scheduled load of uninformed bull feces. -b | |||||
425.68 | re: .66 | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Thu May 18 1995 11:45 | 2 |
No. | |||||
425.69 | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | You-Had-Forty-Years!!! | Thu May 18 1995 12:40 | 5 | |
Well, let's put it this way...you will have to prove discrimination and with me, let's just say you would have an ice cubes chance in hell of doing so! -Jack | |||||
425.70 | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Thu May 18 1995 12:45 | 3 | |
.69 why would anyone have to prove it when you'll freely admit to it? | |||||
425.71 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Thu May 18 1995 12:47 | 6 | |
Re: .67 >her little diatribe has virtually nothing to do with the Contract >with the American Family Did she say it did? I guess I overlooked it. | |||||
425.72 | ...or A right, for that matter. | TROOA::COLLINS | must ipso facto half not be | Thu May 18 1995 12:50 | 9 |
.69: Proving discrimination is OFTEN very difficult. That doesn't mean: - that it doesn't happen, or - that it is right | |||||
425.73 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 12:51 | 6 | |
Why did she title this note "Contract on Independent Thought" if she was not making an association with the Contract with the American Family? -b | |||||
425.74 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Thu May 18 1995 13:08 | 1 | |
See replies .0, .17, and .30 for a few clues. | |||||
425.75 | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | You-Had-Forty-Years!!! | Thu May 18 1995 13:11 | 4 | |
I wouldn't admit it. I would tell the powers that be that it is my business! -Jack | |||||
425.76 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 13:13 | 8 | |
Lisa: A warning. Chelsea has decided what you meant. Attempt to correct her at your own peril; she'll make like a poodle and grab onto your leg and you'll never get rid of her. -b | |||||
425.77 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Thu May 18 1995 13:42 | 6 | |
Re: .76 >Chelsea has decided what you meant. So did you. Unlike you, I have not made any pronouncements about what Lisa meant. | |||||
425.78 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 13:48 | 7 | |
> The reason I have singled out the Christian Coalition in my basenote is That's from .54 Chelsea. Now if the direct reference to the Christian Coalition and the title are not an indication of the subect matter Lisa intended to address, I would be most happy to apologize. -b | |||||
425.79 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Thu May 18 1995 14:10 | 3 | |
You have established that her subject is the Christian Coalition, but you have not established that her subject is the Contract with the American Family. | |||||
425.80 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 14:11 | 3 | |
YAWN. | |||||
425.81 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Thu May 18 1995 14:20 | 15 | |
Of course, we could just wait for Lisa to come back and tell us what, exactly, her subject is. One entirely possible scenario is that she will come back and say, "Hell, yes, I'm talking about the Contract with the American Family." At which point, you might be tempted to say something like, "Chelsea was wro-ong, nanny nanny boo-boo." At which point I would be obliged to point out that I was not. I didn't say, "Hey, you peabrain, she's not talking about the Contract with the American Family." What I said was (and I quote): "Did she say it did? I guess I overlooked it." So you decided to get into a pissing contest that you can't possibly win. Good job. | |||||
425.82 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 14:29 | 5 | |
Chelsea, you seem to think I care. Serious re-evaluation of this conclusion is in order. -b | |||||
425.83 | REFINE::KOMAR | The Barbarian | Thu May 18 1995 14:40 | 5 | |
RE: .57 That's the place! ME | |||||
425.84 | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Thu May 18 1995 15:31 | 4 | |
OK - so what's this Contract with the American Family? Some peabrained boo-boo that I've missed in recent notes? | |||||
425.85 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu May 18 1995 15:35 | 2 | |
The Christian Coalition's roadmap for Newt's 2nd 100 days. It's got the Newt stamp of approval. | |||||
425.86 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Thu May 18 1995 16:14 | 6 | |
Re: .82 >you seem to think I care If you didn't care, why'd you bother with that little warning to Lisa? You decided you wanted a pissing contest, and look where it got you. | |||||
425.87 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 16:25 | 7 | |
Because Chelsea, it's sometimes a bit of fun, in a predictable sort of way, to pull your chain and watch you go off. "Winning" this argument was not a consideration. Thank you for a bit of free amusement. Maybe I can make it up to you sometime. -b | |||||
425.88 | ;> | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Thu May 18 1995 16:29 | 3 |
.87 cow doots. | |||||
425.89 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 16:33 | 6 | |
Whatsa cow doot? I mean, I think I get the general idea, but I've never heard that expression before you used it... Doot's not in my dictionary. -b | |||||
425.90 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu May 18 1995 16:40 | 1 | |
I believe Dave Barry uses it. | |||||
425.91 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Thu May 18 1995 16:41 | 6 | |
Re: .87 So, you find it amusing to make yourself look stupid in order to "pull my chain." I find that amusing. | |||||
425.92 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Thu May 18 1995 16:42 | 1 | ||
Right on, .54, right on! | |||||
425.93 | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Thu May 18 1995 16:42 | 4 | |
yes, it's a dave barry thing. or at least that's where i first saw it, lo these many years ago. | |||||
425.94 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 16:44 | 4 | |
So, is it akin to "BS"? -b | |||||
425.95 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu May 18 1995 16:49 | 1 | |
See HYDRA::DAVE_BARRY notes 223, 251, 322, 688, 852 and 926. | |||||
425.96 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 16:51 | 4 | |
Oh like, don't anyone _dare_ just answer the bloody question! :-) -b | |||||
425.97 | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Thu May 18 1995 16:56 | 8 | |
no, bri, it's nothing at all like BS. it's short for "cow duties" - all those little tasks that cows must perform before they can go out and laze around in the fields. hope this helps. | |||||
425.98 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 16:59 | 6 | |
Yes, Lady Di, that helps immensely. It is Chelsea's Cow Duty to keep going on about how I might be misinterpreting what Lisa said. -b | |||||
425.99 | POWDML::LAUER | Little Chamber of Creamy Presents | Thu May 18 1995 17:01 | 4 | |
Somehow that brings to mind cows wearing overalls and straw hats hoeing the fields, slopping the hogs, feeding the chickens, mucking out, etc. 8^). | |||||
425.100 | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Indeedy Do Da Day | Thu May 18 1995 17:03 | 1 | |
Doot snarf. | |||||
425.101 | ASDG::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Thu May 18 1995 17:44 | 45 | |
You'll have to excuse my strange noting hours. I work split shift EDT, and like to keep the long diatribes to a minimum during my working hours. Since it is not dinner yet, I'm going to keep it short. From my position as an observer, Contract for American Family, Focus on the Family, Colorado Family Values, and others of their ilk, exist to "strengthen and re-introduce the concept of family" in american society, where family is defined as a male father unit who works outside the house, a female mother unit who cares for children, and whatever offspring the Christian God has blessed them with. To "reintroduce the family concept" the goal appears to be to eradiacate all household units who don't fit into a narrowly defined concept of "the proper family as defined by the Bible". To protect our children, the goal appears to eradicate everything that could damage the mind of a three year old. To bring up our children as "moral" human beings, institute prayer. None of this fosters independent thought in future generations. Instead of teaching how to develop interpersonal relationships, just make everyone the same so that there won't be disagreement. Instead of teaching children problem solving and survival skills, just get rid of everything you don't want them to see, or would be embarrassed about having to explain to them. Instead of teaching them how to be at peace with themselves and develop a firm sense of identity, just tell them "God says this so you do it". Eventually, this train of thought affects me, because the proponents of these movements want me to live in the same world and be exposed to the same things as their toddler. I am not a toddler. I am an adult, and I deal with adult things. I am not my parents. I share some of the same opinions as they do, but I have developed my own life on my own. I have been brought up to be helpful to others when I can, and to treat others as I would have them treat me, but I have come to understand the point when my needs absolutely have to come before someone else's. And that point is not cut and dry, nor is it in the same place for everyone. Which is why you need to have the ability to think and be able to differentiate the shades of gray. This ability is not developed by simply following to the letter what your deity, or Newt, or Camille Paglia, or Oprah, or Gloria Steinham tells to you do. Listen to everything, sort it out, and draw upon your experience to guide you. Lisa | |||||
425.102 | :^) | TROOA::COLLINS | must ipso facto half not be | Thu May 18 1995 17:47 | 3 |
Never mind that, Lisa...just tell us who was right: Brian or Chelsea? | |||||
425.103 | SMURF::BINDER | Father, Son, and Holy Spigot | Thu May 18 1995 17:57 | 22 | |
I agree with what Lisa is saying. The Nehemiah Scudders of the Christian Coalition are bound and determined to impose their narrow and sadly ignorant view of the world on everyone who falls into their clutches, and those clutches reach everywhere throughout this country. The CC are not even above outright lies to get their agenda made into law; they field stealth candidates for public office who blithely deny any such agenda until in office. What the CC's agenda will ultimately do if carried to fruition is to return us to the Dark Ages, when having an original thought could be, and often was, deemed heresy, punishable by excommunication or even death. If "Scientific Creationism" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) is put on a par with physics, geology, and other natural sciences, can it be much later that "God did it, and don't try to figure out how" will become the standard explanation for whatever is not understood? For a quick start, let's set the calendar back 500 years and forget the discoveries of bacteria, viruses, and rickettsia and how to deal with them. You're sick because you're wicked and God is punishing you. It's a terrifying prospect, people. | |||||
425.104 | ASDG::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Thu May 18 1995 18:01 | 21 | |
Who is right is less important than the fact that they're arguing over what I wrote, because sometimes arguments can bring new viewpoints that one may not have considered before. To tell the truth, they're both right, and they're both wrong. I wrote what I wrote, I was happy with it, and no matter how carefully I choose my words people are going to interpret it through their own filters. I can't change that, nor do I feel it's proper to do so. I can say my mind, and perhaps someone might store my words in the attic of their brain, and maybe draw on what I said when they think about things in the future. I also realize how ludicrous the last paragraph is in the Soapbox enviroment. Soapbox is very similar to the enviroment I experienced as a child during large family get-togethers during the holidays. Everyone talks at the same time, and either the loudest or the most offensive gets heard. I am trying to undo my years of training.... LIsa | |||||
425.105 | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Learning to lean | Thu May 18 1995 18:03 | 14 | |
What disturbs me, and again, I am a conservative Bible believeing, Baptist Church attending, Christian, is that this Christian Coalition is associated with Pat Robertson. And while I may agree with some of the tenets in this contract, I don't care for Mr. Robertson's brand of theology, nor of the politicizing of Jesus Christ. I would love people to know the joy of coming to know Jesus Christ and the power that lies in the Word of God. But, that cannot be legislated. Jim | |||||
425.106 | TROOA::COLLINS | must ipso facto half not be | Thu May 18 1995 18:05 | 7 | |
.104: Stop being reasonable, Lisa. There's no room for that here. ;^) | |||||
425.107 | NASAU::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Thu May 18 1995 18:08 | 2 | |
Maybe a return to the Dark Ages is just what we need to usher in a "true" Renaissance. | |||||
425.108 | CSOA1::LEECH | Thu May 18 1995 18:11 | 10 | ||
So, Dick, where do you draw the line? There has to be some place in between your scenario (of what you think the end result of the CC's plans), and the current status quo that has only contributed to the demise of our social structure. The pendulum has swung too far to the left. How do we stop it from swinging back too far to the right, without locking it in place? -steve | |||||
425.109 | ASDG::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Thu May 18 1995 18:16 | 9 | |
Personally, I think we're currently in a "mega-Renaissance". New information is pouring in from all sides at a blinding rate, which has never happened before in history. Traditionally, change has been slow enough to give people/society time to deal with it. Not so now. Humans have to learn to deal with the rapid change of today's world or perish. Perhaps acceptance of our current situation would be a first step in the right direction... Lisa | |||||
425.110 | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Indeedy Do Da Day | Thu May 18 1995 18:40 | 4 | |
But Dick, the people who don't see things their way are precisely the ones responsible for the unraveling of the fabric of American society. ;-) | |||||
425.111 | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Thu May 18 1995 18:45 | 13 | |
The same thing continues to bug me here... wild generalizations are being made about the people and motives behind the CWtAF, instead of any meaningful discussion of its contents. I'm sorry I picked on Lisa for this... it seems it's the bloody lot of you! :-) Overall, the CWtAF has some elements I support and some I don't. Calling the drafters of the CWtAF names has very little to do with the contents... Feel free to bitch (I know you will anyway), but for Gawd sakes, put away the 300psi pneumatic paint guns and get out something with a little finer stroke... -b | |||||
425.112 | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Learning to lean | Thu May 18 1995 23:13 | 13 | |
Interestingly I read tonight that Gary Bauer, President of the Family Research Council and associated with Focus on the Family, is less than enthusiastic about the Christian Coalition, stating something similar to what I said in .105 "There's nothing really new here...legislation is not likely to solve all of society's problems, either. the larger question of what's happened to our culture and our families is really a matter of the heart and soul".. Jim | |||||
425.113 | Haven't seen a text. | GAAS::BRAUCHER | Fri May 19 1995 08:58 | 6 | |
Pardon my ignorance, but this just doesn't get much coverage in the media. If somebody has a text of this proposed CWAF, could you post it ? If short enough. bb | |||||
425.114 | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150kts is TOO slow! | Fri May 19 1995 09:31 | 13 | |
From what I read in the newspaper last night, it appears that spokespeople for most of the major religions in the U.S. have come out against this contract. Seems like the CC is going it alone on this one. From what I've read, I have to agree that for the most part, these are very misguided pieces of legislation, many of which would be found unconstitutional if enacted. As far as the ones that I agree with, my reasons for supporting them are not the same as the CC. For example, the one to do away with the agency that supports art. I don't want to do away with it because I don't think the federal government should be sponsoring Maplethorpe's (sp?) art. I want to do away with it because I don't think the federal government should be sponsoring ANY art, whether it be a tour of the great classics or pictures of crosses soaking in urine. Bob | |||||
425.115 | POWDML::LAUER | Little Chamber of Creamy Presents | Fri May 19 1995 11:03 | 4 | |
I found a copy of it in =wn=. I'll post it in the next reply; it's 1,075 lines long if you want to skip it 8^). | |||||
425.116 | POWDML::LAUER | Little Chamber of Creamy Presents | Fri May 19 1995 11:03 | 1081 | |
<<< TURRIS::DISK$NOTES_PACK2:[NOTES$LIBRARY]WOMANNOTES-V5.NOTE;1 >>> -< Topics of Interest to Women >- ================================================================================ Note 427.0 The Contract With The American Family - 1075 lines 6 replies SUPER::GOODMAN 1075 lines 18-MAY-1995 11:40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copied without permission from the Cristian Coalition Web page at http://cc.org/ Christian Coalition Presents The Contract With The American Family Introduction In the 1994 midterm elections, the American people elected the first Republican Congress in 40 years in what was the largest transfer of power from a minority party to a majority party in the twentieth century. The message of the election was clear: the American people want lower taxes, less government, strong families, protection of innocent human life, and traditional values. The 104th Congress devoted its first hundred days to the Contract with America, including a Balanced Budget Amendment, tax relief for families, welfare reform, and term limits. Christian Coalition enthusiastically supported the Contract and launched one of the most extensive grassroots campaigns in its history to support the Contract's passage. The Coalition will continue this effort as the Contract moves through the Senate. The problems our nation faces are not all fiscal in nature. The American people are increasingly concerned about the coarsening of the culture, the breakup of the family, and a decline in civility. A recent Los Angeles Times poll reported that 53 percent of Americans believe the moral problems facing our country are more important than the economic problems.1 Other survey data indicates that 80 percent of Americans believe there is a problem of declining morality within our nation.2 The Contract with the American Family is a bold agenda for Congress intended to strengthen families and restore common-sense values. The Contract represents a valuable contribution to a congressional agenda beyond the first hundred days. These provisions are the ten suggestions, not the Ten Commandments. There is no deadline or specified time period during which they are to be enacted. But Congress would be well advised to act with all due and deliberate speed. The provisions in the Contract enjoy support from 60 to 90 percent of the American people. These items do not represent the pro-family movement's entire agenda. There are many other prominent pro-family organizations that will work on many other issues - women in combat, welfare reform, budget policy - in the months ahead. This contract is designed to be the first word, not the last word, in developing a bold and incremental start to strengthening the family and restoring values. Restoring Religious Equality A constitutional amendment to protect the religious liberties of Americans in public places. With each passing year, people of faith grow increasingly distressed by the hostility of public institutions toward religious expression. Public interest law firms dedicated to preserving religious liberties receive thousands of calls every year on issues pertaining to the rights of students in public schools. Examples of hostility toward religious values and those who hold them abound. In Nevada, an elementary school student chosen to sing a solo in the school's Christmas pageant was forbidden from singing "The First Noel" because of its religious overtones.3 At a public elementary school in Rhode Island, the principal announced shortly before the beginning of a Christmas concert that he had censored all of the pageant's songs.4 A Scarsdale, New York school board banned all religious celebrations from schools, although parties with non-holiday themes were still permitted. According to the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, the ban included "displays or exhibits, such as wreaths, garlands, caroling and menorahs that appear to promote or give approval to religious matters," as well as "candy canes, bells, holiday music, and Hanukkah or Christmas parties and concerts."5 Teachers in New Jersey were told to avoid references to Easter, including jelly beans and the colors purple and yellow. Children have been told they cannot read the Bible during silent reading time.6 In one school, a little girl was told there was a problem with the book she chose to read to her class - it mentioned "God" four times.7 This anti-religious bigotry is not confined to the classroom. Nativity scenes are now barred from federal post offices,8 and from the lawns of public buildings unless accompanied by a non-religious display such as Santa Claus. Some courthouses are prohibited from displaying the Ten Commandments (despite the fact that they are chiseled into the walls of the United States Supreme Court). And landlords have been sued by the state for discrimination because they refused to rent to unmarried couples for religious reasons.9 This hostility toward faith is the result of 30 years of confusing and often quixotic jurisprudence in establishment clause cases. The Supreme Court's application of the three-pronged "Lemon test," first developed in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971),10 has become so tortuous that some court decisions allow states to lend textbooks, but not movie projectors, maps, or laboratory equipment to parochial schools; to supply guidance counseling services outside of parochial schools, such as mobile units, but not within the schools; and to provide bus services to and from parochial schools, but not for school field trips.11 Justice Scalia, who like many has argued for ending the use of this confusing test, has likened it to "some ghoul in a late-night horror movie that repeatedly sits up in its grave and shuffles abroad, after being repeatedly killed and buried-"12 Despite such rollbacks in religious rights, the American public consistently supports freedom of religious expression in the public square. An April 1994 Wirthlin poll indicates that reinstating voluntary school prayer not only continues to receive overwhelming support (78 percent of Americans), but it also enjoys support across a broad spectrum of Americans: 79 percent of African Americans and 80 percent of whites support school prayer; 85 percent of low income and 71 percent of high income Americans support school prayer; and 65 percent of non-Christians and between 80 and 94 percent of Christians support school prayer. The Religious Equality Amendment would not restore compulsory, sectarian prayer or Bible-reading dictated by government officials. Instead, we seek a balanced approach that allows voluntary, student and citizen-initiated free speech in non-compulsory settings such as courthouse lawns, high school graduation ceremonies, and sports events. A survey by the Luntz Research Company found that 78 percent of all Americans support a Religious Equality Amendment. We urge the 104th Congress to pass an amendment that not only protects the rights of students, but the religious liberties of all Americans. Returning Education Control to the Local Level Transfer funding of the federal Department of Education to families and local school boards. The need for education reform is plainly evident if one considers the trends of recent decades. SAT scores have dropped by more than 75 points since 1960.13 Ten nations outperform U.S. 13-year-olds in math and science tests.14 And as education performance drops, the level of school violence in our schools is on the rise. The dramatic increase in shootings and violence-related injuries occurring in our nation's schools is well-known. Because of the prevalence of weapons, many American students are greeted with metal detectors when they arrive for school in the morning. In 1992, 10 percent of tenth-graders admitted they had taken a weapon to school during the past month.15 There are 250,000 crimes committed on school property each year. Parents are distressed over the failure of schools to teach children basic skills of reading, writing, and arithmetic. Too often, sex education emphasizes contraception and condom use rather than abstinence and self-control. Homosexuality is promoted as an acceptable alternative lifestyle. Outcome-based education (OBE) supplants basic skills. Psychological counseling takes place without parental involvement or notification.16 Christian Coalition members believe schools should reinforce rather than undermine the values taught in homes, churches and synagogues. Parental involvement and local control is the most pressing need in education today. A current report by the U.S. Department of Education, "Strong Families, Strong Schools," corroborates the fact that parental involvement in children's education results in higher student performance.17 Many local and state reform initiatives focus on increasing parental rights and participation in their children's education. Despite this trend at the local level, the federal government has done little to advance these initiatives. In 1993 and 1994, Congress tightened the federal choke hold on local schools by passing Goals 2000, the Educate America Act18 and the Improving America's Schools Act, which re-authorized the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA).19 Christian Coalition seeks to return greater power and control over our children's education to parents and local communities. This reform begins by transferring much of the funding for the U.S. Department of Education to families and local school boards, and applying the remainder to deficit reduction. The U.S. currently spends approximately $275 billion per year on public education.20 Yet student performance and educational achievement do not reflect this financial investment. As Time magazine recently noted, "The U.S. spends a greater percentage of its gross national product on education (7.5 percent) than any other country except Israel, and yet is out-performed in math and science among 13-year-olds by more than 10 nations, including Hungary, Taiwan and the former Soviet Union."21 Less than half of federal education dollars reach classrooms for instruction.22 Increased spending is not the answer. In fact, the 10 states ranking highest in education performance do not top per-pupil expenditures.23 Rather, the answer lies in eliminating bureaucracies, administrative costs, and federal restrictions that prevent effective reform at the local level. Since the time of its creation in 1980, the U.S. Department of Education has grown in magnitude to the point that it now consists of 241 separate programs, a budget of $30 billion,24 and more than 5,000 employees.25 Moreover, federal control over education has dramatically increased, ultimately culminating with the 1994 passage of Goals 2000 and H.R. 6, the Improving America's Schools Act. Goals 2000 established several new federal bureaucracies, including the National Education Standards and Improvement Council (NESIC), which many view as equivalent to a national school board. NESIC has powerful authority to certify national education standards regarding educational content and student performance. Although these standards are not binding on states, they do have national stature, and states have to "voluntarily" develop comparable standards in order to receive a portion of the billions of dollars in federal funding authorized under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act. When Congress passed Goals 2000, many people predicted it would lead to the establishment of "politically-correct" national education standards, resulting in the introduction of outcome-based education (OBE) on a national scale. Verification of this prediction came quickly. With 1994's release of national history standards, developed with $2.2 million in federal funding from the National Endowment for the Humanities and the U.S. Department of Education, it became obvious that national education standards would not be objective.26 Criticism of the biased and distorted views prevalent in both sets of standards - the National Standards for United States History, as well as the National Standards for World History - was widespread. Criticism of the U.S. History standards included the fact that the United States Constitution was never mentioned in any of the 31 standards, and was relegated to the supporting materials;27 the establishment of the National Organization of Women and Sierra Club were viewed as notable events, but not the first assembling of the United States Congress;28 and according to one reviewer, the material revealed only one quotation from a congressional leader, and that was Tip O'Neill calling Ronald Reagan "a cheerleader for selfishness."29 The World History standards drew widespread criticism also, particularly for their anti-Western bias.30 The bias in these standards was so grave that the United States Senate overwhelmingly adopted (99 to 1) a resolution condemning the standards and expressing the sense of the Senate that NESIC not certify them.31 Nevertheless, 10,000 copies of these standards already have been mailed to school administrators and others throughout the nation.32 These national standards undermine parental involvement and local control of education. The time to return federal education control to parents and local communities through elimination of the United States Department of Education is long overdue, and a good first step would include repealing Goals 2000 legislation. Promoting School Choice Enactment of legislation that will enhance parents' choice of schools for their children. School choice initiatives are sweeping the nation like wildfire. Sixty-two percent of Americans favor choice among public schools, and 50 percent favor vouchers.33 School choice legislation was either introduced or pending in 34 states in 1993.34 These initiatives take a number of forms, including voucher programs, tax credits and charter schools. Voucher programs provide monetary assistance to parents for use at the school of their choice. Tuition tax credits achieve the same goal of school choice, and are preferred by some communities. Charter schools are a creative new initiative through which states charter and fund alternative schools designed to meet the needs of a diverse student population. Other local initiatives include the privatization of public schools, such as in Baltimore, Maryland and Hartford, Connecticut. As parents and local communities strive to reform our country's educational system, the federal government must do more to assist these efforts. One possible example of federal school choice legislation is S. 618, the Coats-Lieberman Low-income School Choice Demonstration Act. This legislation would establish up to 20 demonstration projects that would provide financial assistance to low-income parents to help them send their children to the school of their choice, whether public or private. The legislation requires an evaluation of the effectiveness of this demonstration initiative in order to provide objective documentation of the merits of school choice. With almost half of high school students in inner city schools failing to graduate,35 educational reform for low-income parents in these cities is becoming increasingly urgent. We urge the swift passage of school choice legislation such as S. 618 during the 104th Congress as a means of promoting school choice for parents. We believe passage of this bill will spur grassroots efforts to reform education and give parents greater choice in selecting the best school for their children. Protecting Parental Rights Enactment of a Parental Rights Act and defeat of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child. The United States Constitution does not explicitly set forth protections for parental rights, but a long line of court cases have held that the United States Constitution protects the right of parents to control the upbringing of their children. The rights of parents, however, are under increasing assault in modern day society. For example, state officials removed an eighth-grade girl from her home because she objected to the ground rules (regarding use of drugs, curfew hours, etc.) her parents had set.36 One mother's child was removed from her home because the mother refused to continue to take her first-grade child to therapy lessons for hyperactivity.37 And in 1992, a San Diego grand jury found that 35 to 70 percent of the county's foster children "never should have been removed from their parental homes."38 Enactment of a Parental Rights Act will ensure that parental rights are not violated and ensure that parents have the foremost duty and responsibility to direct the upbringing of their children. Representatives Steve Largent (R-OK) and Mike Parker (D-MS) in the House, and Senators Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Howell Heflin (D-AL) in the Senate, are drafting a parental rights act to address this critical problem. While language is still being finalized, the authors intend that the Parental Rights Act of 1995 will clarify that "the right of parents to direct the upbringing of their children," includes overseeing their children's education, health care, discipline, and religious training. Moreover, it requires that any governmental interference in the parent-child relationship be justified by "clear and convincing evidence" that it "is essential to accomplish a compelling governmental interest" and that it is applied in "the least restrictive means" possible. The threat to the rights of America's parents is very real, as the movement to ratify the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child exemplifies. The Convention on the Rights of the Child is a human rights treaty adopted in 1989 by the General Assembly of the United Nations. It has not been ratified in the United States. In the past, the United States has not supported the treaty due to concerns that it may concede jurisdiction over United States citizens to an international body and international court.39 Christian Coalition opposes the treaty because it interferes with the parent-child relationship, threatens the sovereignty of U.S. law, and elevates as "rights" such dubious provisions as access to television and mass media. The following are some of the examples of the absolute rights given to children through this treaty: "No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy, family, home or correspondence - The child has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."40 "The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of the child's choice."41 With respect to the right of the child to freedom of association or peaceful assembly, "[n]o restrictions may be placed on the exercise of these rights other than those imposed in conformity with the law and which are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, public order, the protection of public health or morals or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others."42 Under the treaty, parents could well lose their right to prevent their child from associating with disreputable individuals such as delinquents, or receiving literature or gaining access to mass media communication (including films and television) that is not age-appropriate. Pursuant to the treaty, a Committee on the Rights of the Child has been established to review reports from nations regarding their progress in implementing the treaty. The committee has urged that in the area of sex education, parents be required to give the opinion of the child equal weight. The committee warned that "the possibility for parents in England and Wales to withdraw their children from parts of the sex education programmes in schools" undermines "the right of the child to express his/her opinion."43 The committee's concern about soliciting children's views prior to "exclusion from school" should be of particular concern to parents who educate their children at home. It is clear that rejection of this treaty by the United States Senate would be in the best interests of American parents. Family-Friendly Tax Relief Reduce the tax burden on the American family, eliminate the marriage penalty, and pass the Mothers and Homemakers' Rights Act to remedy the unequal treatment that homemakers receive under the Internal Revenue Service Code with respect to saving for retirement. It has been said that the intact family is the most successful Department of Health, Education, and Welfare ever conceived. Yet the federal government, through the tax code, has punished families for working, saving, and staying together. The Contract with the American Family addresses not only the cultural pressures on families, but the financial pressures as well. 1. Tax relief for families with children. In 1950 the average family of four in America paid just 2 percent of its adjusted gross income in federal income taxes. Today that same family sends one out of every four dollars to Washington. When state and local taxes are added, the average family of four pays 38 percent of its entire income in taxes, more than it spends on such essentials as housing, clothing and food. Christian Coalition's top legislative priority since 1993 has been tax relief for America's hard-working families. We strongly favor the $500 tax credit for children that has been passed by the House and awaits action in the Senate. Our long-term goal is to restore the standard deduction for children to its inflation-adjusted 1946 value: $8,000 to $10,000 per dependent child. Christian Coalition also supports in concept a flat or flattened tax (with a generous personal exemption for children) as an ultimate goal to simplify the tax code, reward work and savings, and reduce the crushing tax burden on families. 2. Eliminate the marriage penalty. Under current law, many married couples pay more in taxes than they would if they remained single because their combined income puts them into a higher tax bracket. On April 5, 1995, as part of the American Dream Restoration Act, the House of Representatives voted to restore tax fairness for married couples. H.R. 1215 makes married couples eligible for a tax rebate of up to $145 if their tax liability goes up as a result of being married. In a time when family breakups are so common, the Senate should pass this legislation to encourage marriage and ease the burden on families trying to form and stay together. 3. The Mothers and Homemakers Rights Act. The Contract with the American Family calls for the enactment of legislation such as the Hutchison-Mikulski Individual Retirement Account equity bill (S. 287), which will allow homemakers to contribute up to $2,000 annually toward an IRA, thereby providing equitable treatment to spouses who work at home. The Internal Revenue Code currently allows a double-income married couple to contribute up to $4,000 per year toward retirement by allowing them to contribute up to $2,000 each toward an IRA. However, in the case of a single-income married couple, the couple can only contribute up to $2,250 per year toward retirement through an IRA, with the homemaker's contribution limited to $250. This inequity in the tax code reflects a disrespect for the valuable role of the homemaker in our society. Christian Coalition urges Congress to remedy this injustice by amending the tax code to allow homemakers to contribute equally up to $2,000 annually toward an IRA. This could provide an increase of up to $150,000 in savings for a couple after 30 years.44 Furthermore, because the value of families never decreases, the contribution amount should be indexed to inflation. Restoring Respect for Human Life Protecting the rights of states that do not fund abortion, protecting innocent human life by placing real limits on late-term abortions, and ending funds to organizations that promote and perform abortions. In speaking to the National Prayer Breakfast in 1994, Mother Teresa delivered an eloquent and stirring defense of the rights of innocent human life. "The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion," Mother Teresa of Calcutta said at the National Prayer Breakfast in February 1994. "It is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child."45 The foundation of all our rights as Americans - to speech, assembly, and religious expression - are all built upon the right to life. The genius of the American idea is that every person is endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights, the first of which is the right to life. Christian Coalition seeks by all lawful and non-violent means to protect innocent human life for the disabled, the elderly, the infirm, and the unborn. We support constitutional and statutory protection for the unborn child. Our ultimate goal is to establish the humanity of the unborn child and to see a day when every child is safe in their mother's womb. We urge Congress to take the following action as a beginning toward that end. 1. Real limits on late-term abortions by providing legal protection to children in the latter months of pregnancy and ending the practice of "partial-birth abortions." Most Americans would be shocked to learn about the methods that are used in late-term abortions in America today. These methods have reached the point to where a fully formed child can be completely delivered alive, with the exception of the child's head, and then the abortionist is free to end the child's life. This "partial-birth abortion" procedure is also known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, in which forceps are used to remove second and third-trimester babies, with only the head remaining inside the uterus. The child's life is then ended, and the dead child is delivered.46 Most tragic of all is the fact that the majority of these babies are alive until the end of the proceeding.47 Indeed, virtually all of the victims are beyond the 24th week of pregnancy, and many can survive outside the womb. It is difficult to estimate the number of partial-birth abortions performed, because abortion statistics in general are unreliable. The Alan Guttmacher Institute, a research group affiliated with Planned Parenthood, estimates that about 10 percent of abortions occur in the second or third trimester. One abortionist who specializes in D&X procedures testified in 1992 that he had performed 700 of them.48 Establishing real limits on late-term abortions is one of the most important steps Congress can take to protect innocent human life. A child has a better than 50-percent chance of survival outside its mother's womb at 26 weeks.49 But the D&X technique has been used on children up to 40 weeks gestation, which is a full-term pregnancy.50 One physician experienced in this procedure admitted to having mixed feelings on its morality: "I do have moral compunctions. And if I see a case that's later, like after 20 weeks where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there. I think, 'Gee, it's too bad that this child couldn't be adopted.'"51 We call on the 104th Congress to enact restrictions on late-term abortions and end the practice of D&X abortion. Children at any stage of pregnancy should not be subject to this cruel and inhumane form of death, but such treatment of those who can clearly survive outside the mother's womb is particularly cruel. 2. Protect the rights of states that do not wish to use taxpayer funds to take innocent human life. In 1993 Congress re-authorized the Hyde Amendment, in effect since 1977, with rape and incest exceptions. Christian Coalition believes taxpayer funds should only be used to pay for an abortion when the mother's life is in danger. The Clinton administration issued a new interpretation of the Hyde Amendment, and rather than permitting states to use Medicaid dollars to fund abortion in rape and incest cases, it requires them to do so. This created havoc in the states because 30 states prohibited public funding of abortion, with the life of the mother being the sole exception. Another six states had reporting requirements for abortions due to rape and incest which were invalidated under this new directive. As a result, many states are now involved in litigation over this issue and seven states are facing administrative enforcement proceedings which could ultimately result in the termination of federal Medicaid funding to the state. Moreover, as a result of litigation, two state constitutional provisions have been invalidated and now the states are required to pay for abortion for any reason, with state funds. Enacting legislation to clarify the congressional intent behind the Hyde amendment and to protect states' rights in this area is a matter of urgency for the 104th Congress. The Coalition urges Congress to adopt the Istook/Exxon Amendment that would protect the rights of the citizens of states that do not use taxpayer funds to take human life. 3. End taxpayer subsidies to organizations that promote and perform abortions. We call for an end to federal funding for organizations that promote and perform abortions. This includes an end to funding for international family planning organizations that promote and perform abortions. Christian Coalition, along with numerous American taxpayers, believes that abortion is the taking of innocent human life and that tax dollars should not be used to promote it. Yet, organizations that receive funding under Title X are required to counsel and refer young adolescents on abortion. This implicitly sends the message to these youngsters that abortion is an acceptable method of family planning. The merits of continued funding of the Title X program have long been questioned. It is estimated that one-third of the clients served through Title X funding are teen-agers.52 And yet, during the course of the 25 years of Title X's existence, the out-of-wedlock birth rate among girls aged 15-19 has increased 100 percent, the abortion rate for teens has more than doubled, and sexually transmitted diseases among teens also have increased.53 Today, one out of every four sexually experienced teen-agers becomes infected with a sexually transmitted disease annually.54 Family planning expenditures for all ages under Medicaid now approximate $252 million annually,55 and the annual appropriation to the Title X family planning program is now $193 million,56 one-third of which is expended on adolescents. The time is long overdue for the United States Congress to eliminate funding for such programs. Similarly, the American taxpayer should not be forced to fund international family planning organizations that promote abortion overseas. The United States contributed $50 million to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) alone for this year,57 despite its involvement in China's coercive population-control program that includes forced abortions.58 Amnesty International USA recently outlined some of the reports coming out of China regarding the method used to enforce its "one-child" policy: [D]etainees were beaten and tortured to accelerate the payment of fines. Some were reportedly hung upside down, others received electric shocks on their tongue with electric batons or live wires- One man who could not bear to see his wife tortured in a cell for days attempted to sell their children in Beijing- other women pregnant eight or nine months were given - against their will - injections to induce miscarriages.59 In fiscal year 1993, the United States contributed at least $580 million toward world family planning programs.60 Any of this money that is contributed to organizations that encourage or perform abortions should be eliminated. Moreover, the entire budget should be reviewed to determine the success of the program to ensure that, like Title X, we are not subsidizing failed programs. Encouraging Support of Private Charities Enactment of legislation to enhance contributions to private charities as a first step toward transforming the bureaucratic welfare state into a system of private and faith-based compassion. A 1994 report by the National Center for Policy Analysis details the growing evidence that private sector charities do a better job than government "of getting prompt aid to those who need it most, encouraging self-sufficiency and self-reliance, preserving the family unit and using resources [more] efficiently."61 According to the same report, "94 percent of all shelters for the homeless in the U.S. are operated by private sector organizations."62 Studies have shown that "as many as 80 percent of low-income people turn to the private sector first when facing a crisis."63 In light of this evidence, as well as the growing evidence of the failure of government programs to discourage welfare dependency, the federal government should take steps to encourage donations to private charities which serve the needy. In their Contract with America, House Republicans have enacted the most dramatic and sweeping welfare reform in decades. By turning welfare spending over to the states in the form of block grants, this reform will encourage innovation at the local level, promoting work and personal responsibility. The Contract with the American Family takes the next step. We propose unleashing the charitable capacity of the American people by providing private, non-governmental solutions to the problems of the underclass. Through the Salvation Army and other private charities, millions of Americans will be able to provide compassionate assistance to those in need without sending more tax dollars to a failed, discredited bureaucratic welfare state. Many citizens are not as generous in their contributions to private charitable organizations these days because they already are overtaxed. However, if given the choice between having their tax dollars subsidize government welfare programs or subsidize private charitable programs, many would prefer to designate the money to a private charity of their choice. Christian Coalition urges the United States Congress to enact legislation to give taxpayers this opportunity. One possible means to do so would be to allow individuals to designate on their income tax returns a limited amount of their taxes to qualified private charities. Another would be to create pilot programs through federal welfare block grants that earmark funding to encourage charitable giving and assistance to needy individuals through charities and religious organizations. For every dollar the taxpayer designates toward a private charity, the federal welfare funding to that taxpayer's state would be equally reduced.64 As a result, "private charities would compete on an equal footing with government welfare programs for the portion of the federal budget that is allocated to poverty programs," thereby increasing competition. This will not only change government, it will change our citizenry's pattern of thinking - people will once again feel more of a civic duty toward their fellow man. In the words of Acton Institute head Father Robert A. Sirico, "[G]overnment has no monopoly on compassion. Indeed, government is compassion's least able practitioner." Through a private charity check-off or other means, the 104th Congress can replace the welfare state with a culture of caring. Restricting Pornography Protecting children from exposure to pornography on the Internet and cable television, and from the sexual exploitation of child pornographers. 1. Enactment of legislation to protect children from being exposed to pornography on the Internet. Pornography, both soft core and hard core, is freely available on the Internet to virtually anyone with a home computer. Several magazines post pornographic images that can be viewed by anyone, including children, for free. There are also numerous sites on the Internet where hard core pornography depicting a variety of explicit sexual acts, even rape scenes and bestiality, are available free and can be accessed with a few clicks of a computer button. Christian Coalition urges Congress to enact legislation to protect children from being exposed to pornography on the Internet. Criminal law should be amended to prohibit distribution of, or making available, any pornography, soft core or hard, to children, and to prohibit distribution of obscene hard core pornography to adults. 2. Enactment of legislation to require cable television companies to completely block the video and audio on pornography channels to non-subscribers. Many children throughout the country are exposed to pornography, often hard core, on cable television because of incomplete scrambling of the signal on pornography channels. Cable companies have asserted that it is the parents' responsibility to guard their children. Christian Coalition believes that the responsibility should be on the cable companies to help parents keep pornography out of their homes. Cable companies should not be allowed to transmit pornography to non-subscribers. We urge Congress to require cable television companies to completely block the video and audio on pornography channels to non-subscribers. 3. Amending the federal child pornography law to make illegal the possession of any child pornography. Sexual exploitation of children through child pornography continues to be a major problem in society. Possession of child pornography should be a crime. President Reagan proposed such a law in 1988, hoping that those with collections of child pornography would destroy them for fear of federal prosecution. In an 11th hour compromise on the bill, however, a conference committee of House and Senate members changed the Reagan bill to criminalize only the possession of "three or more" items of child pornography, videos, magazines, etc. Thus, federal law sanctions the possession of some child pornography - less than three pieces. A person with two hour-long videotapes depicting the rape of a child cannot be charged with a federal crime, yet a person with three photos depicting a child in a lascivious pose can. Christian Coalition urges that the federal child pornography law should be amended to make illegal the possession of any child pornography. Privatizing the Arts The National Endowment for the Arts, National Endowment for the Humanities, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and Legal Services Corporation should become voluntary organizations funded through private contributions. Christian Coalition urges the privatization of the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) because we do not view such funding as a proper role for the United States Government. The issue is not whether the arts should receive funding, but rather which entity should do so - the government or the private sector. Through its grant selection process, the nea acts as an arbiter of art and places its endorsement or "seal of approval" on certain works. This federal imprimatur is as important to artists as is the funding which accompanies the grant. And yet, as William Bennett pointed out during his testimony calling for elimination of the nea, this role of arbiter itself should be questioned, as well as the "seal of approval" which gives the "official blessing - the blessing of the people of the United States - to things both worthy and horrible."65 This federal endorsement is particularly objectionable when it applies to obscenity, pornography, or attacks on religion. Despite repeated attempts by the United States Congress to place common-sense restrictions on federal funding of the arts, nea dollars continue to go toward controversial works that denigrate the religious beliefs and moral values of mainstream Americans.66 William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, has joined the call for de-funding the nea, stating: "We, as Catholics, have rights too, and among them is the right not to be defamed, and this is especially true when defamation is funded with government money." At a time of fiscal restraint and budget austerity, cultural agencies cannot expect to be exempt from the broader realities of declining federal spending. Americans spend more than $7 billion annually on the arts; only $173 million is derived from federal funding. The privatization of the nea into a voluntary, charitable organization would unleash the creative capacity of the American people and de-politicize one of the most controversial agencies in recent years. It is an idea whose time has come. The National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH) also would be improved by privatization. Lynne Cheney, the neh Chairman from 1986 to 1992, testified in January in support of ending federal funding for the agency. During her testimony she explained, "The humanities - like the arts - have become highly politicized. Many academics and artists now see their purpose not as revealing truth or beauty, but as achieving social and political transformation. Government should not be funding those whose main interest is promoting an agenda."67 The controversial national history standards, which neh funding assisted in bringing into existence, are one such example.68 William Bennett cites another example of the neh's use of taxpayer dollars: "[T]he neh provides funding for the Modern Language Association (MLA) - Their annual convention attracts over 10,000 professors and students and reveals the type of agenda that neh grants make possible. Past panels include such topics as 'Lesbian Tongues Untied;' 'Henry James and Queer Performativity;' [and] 'Status of Gender and Feminism in Queer Theory;'-"69 It is clear that at a time when 24 percent of the average American family's budget goes to the federal government in taxes, we can find a better use for these tax dollars than through continued funding of the neh. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) is another entity that should rely on private funding. Federal subsidies to the Public Broadcasting Service cost taxpayers $350 million a year, an example of transfer payments from the middle-class to the well-to-do. Children Television Workshop, producer of "Sesame Street," reaps more than $100 million in licensing fees annually. Its chief executive officer earns $647,000 annually in salary and benefits. A rate card sent out by Washington, D.C. pbs affiliate WETA in 1992 noted that the average net worth of its contributors was $627,000; one in eight was a millionaire; one in seven owned a wine cellar; one in three had been to Europe in the previous three years. Would privatization cause the death-knell of public broadcasting? Hardly. Private and corporate contributions already make up the vast majority of public broadcasting's revenue. Only 14 percent of the Public Broadcasting Service's (PBS) budget comes from the federal government, and only 3 percent of the National Public Radio's (NPR) budget is composed of federal funds. Lastly, the Legal Services Corporation (LSC) is a federally chartered corporation established to provide legal assistance to the poor. It received an appropriation of $415 million for FY 1995. What many Americans don't realize is that divorce proceedings are a high priority for many legal services grantees.70 The LSC alone paid for 210,000 divorces in 1990, at an estimated cost to taxpayers of $50 million. Yet, as study after study has revealed, divorce is not helping our nation's poor break out of poverty. Rather, as historian Barbara Dafoe Whitehead has pointed out: "Children in single-parent families are six times as likely to be poor. Twenty-two percent of children in one-parent families will experience poverty during childhood for seven years or more, as compared with only two percent of children in two-parent families."71 Therefore, an agency that was established to help ameliorate poverty is instead fostering it through its financing of divorce actions. Christian Coalition urges Congress to privatize all four entities, the NEA, NEH, CPB, and LSC, and turn them into organizations funded through private contributions. Crime Victim Restitution Funds given to states to build prisons should encourage work, study, and drug testing requirements for prisoners in state correctional facilities, as well as requiring restitution to victims subsequent to release. Today's prisons are not designed either to punish convicts or provide justice to victims. In Pennsylvania, felons can receive in-cell cable TV.72 At a facility in Fallsburg, New York, outdoor weight training areas feature televisions prisoners can view as they work out.73 Hard labor has been replaced in many prisons with recreational activities. Christian Coalition urges Congress to enact legislation that will encourage states to instill work and study requirements for prisoners. More than one million inmates are imprisoned in our country's correctional facilities - 919,143 in state prisons and 93,708 in federal prisons.74 Although a majority of institutions have academic programs, many prisoners do not participate in them.75 In fact, a 1990 census found that "[a]pproximately 570,000 inmates, accounting for two-thirds or more of both sexes in State and Federal facilities, were not participating in any academic activities." Moreover, about a third of the prison population had no work assignment, and 25 percent of the population was idle - meaning prisoners neither worked nor participated in an academic program.76 An estimated 70 percent of inmates in U.S. prisons are functionally illiterate. Without the ability to read and write, these individuals are unable to find work outside prison, a contributing factor giving the United States one of the highest prison recidivism rates in the Western world. Literacy programs - many of which can be provided by private charities and prison ministries at low cost - will give prisoners hope and give society a better chance to absorb former inmates upon their release. Moreover, with one out of four American households victimized by crime each year, as well as more than 700,000 days of hospitalization resulting from crime-related injuries, victim restitution is very necessary.77 Requiring an offender to make restitution to the victim will not only force the offender to confront the consequences of his actions, but also compensate the victim monetarily. Christian Coalition urges Congress to remedy this by conditioning the receipt of federal prison construction funding by the states on enactment of work and study requirements. Moreover, we urge that restitution to victims subsequent to release also be required. Conclusion The Contract with the American Family is the first word, not the last word, on a cultural agenda for the 104th Congress during the post-100-day period. The ideas included in this document are suggestions, not demands, and are designed to be a help, not a hindrance, to Members of Congress as they seek to fulfill their mandate for dramatic change. Christian Coalition welcomes the support of Republicans and Democrats alike as it seeks passage of the items in this bold legislative agenda. There is no specified deadline on acting on the Contract. The Coalition and its grassroots members will work on behalf of these mainstream proposals in this Congress and in as many subsequent sessions of Congress as necessary to secure passage. The Contract with the American Family emerged from a survey of Christian Coalition members and supporters conducted in March and April, 1995. It has been improved during the drafting process by extensive polling and focus groups and consultations with members of Congress and their staffs. Each item in the Contract enjoys support from between 60 and 90 percent of the American people. More than half of the items in the Contract already have legislative sponsors, and several have already been passed by committee. The American people now have a Congress that is receptive to their desire for religious liberty, stronger families, lower taxes, local control of education, and tougher laws against crime. With the Contract with the American Family, the nation now has an agenda with broad support that addresses time-honored values and cultural issues for the 104th Congress and beyond. Endnotes 1. Ronald Brownstein, "Dissatisfied Public May Spell Democrat Losses," Los Angeles Times, July 28, 1994. 2. Nationwide survey by Luntz Research and Strategic Services, conducted February 11-12, 1995. Sample Size: 1000. Theoretical margin of sampling error: + or - 3.1%. 3. Keith A. Fournier, Religious Cleansing in the American Republic, 1993, p. 17. The decision was later reversed after counsel intervened. 4. Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, 1994 Catholic League's 1994 Report on Anti-Catholicism, p. 14. 5. Ibid. 6. Keith A. Fournier, Religious Cleansing in the American Republic, 1993, p. 16. In both instances, the children were allowed to read their Bibles after legal counsel intervened. 7. Only after the student's parent contacted the school board was the book allowed. 8. Mark Kellner, "Postal Grinch Who Stole Christmas," The Washington Times, November 20, 1994; Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, 1994 Catholic League's 1994 Report on Anti-Catholicism, p. 17. 9. Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, 1994 Catholic League's 1994 Report on Anti-Catholicism, p. 16. 10. 403 U.S. 602 (1971). 11. Jesse H. Choper, The Establishment Clause and Aid to Parochial Schools - An Update, 75 Cal.L.Rev. 5, 6-7. (1987). 12. Lamb's Chapel v. Center Moriches School Dist., 113 S.Ct. 2141, 2149 (1993) (Scalia, J., concurring). 13. William J. Bennett, The Index of Leading Cultural Indicators (March 1993), p. 17. 14. "[T]he U.S. spends a greater percentage of its gross national product on education (7.5%) than any other country except Israel, and yet is out performed in math and science among 13-year-olds by more than 10 nations, including Hungary, Taiwan and the former Soviet Union." Claudia Wallis, "A Class of Their Own," Time, Oct. 31, 1994, 56 15. 140 Congressional Record S9917 (daily ed. July 27, 1994). 16. Maria Koklanaris, "Virginia parents may get option to exclude pupils from counseling," The Washington Times, Oct. 28, 1994. 17. U.S. Department of Education, Strong Families, Strong Schools (September 1994). 18. Pub. L. 103-227. 19. Pub. L. 103-382. 20. Claudia Wallis, "A Class of Their Own," Time, October 31, 1994, p. 56. 21. Claudia Wallis, "A Class of Their Own," Time, October 31, 1994, pp. 53, 56, citing a 1992 report by the Educational Testing Service. 22. Claudia Wallis, "A Class of Their Own," Time, October 31, 1994, pp. 53, 56. 23. Carol Innerst, "Education Still Lacking Bang for Buck, The Washington Times, September 21, 1994. 24. Family Research Council, "Freeing America's Schools[:] The Case Against the U.S. Education Department," Family Policy, p. 5. 25. Letter from Terrel Bell, to The Washington Post, February 1, 1995. 26. Carol Inherst, "Some Historians See New Standards as Revisionist Coup," The Washington Times, October 27, 1994. 27. Lynne V. Cheney, "The End of History," The Wall Street Journal, October 20, 1994. 28. Lynne V. Cheney, "The End of History," The Wall Street Journal, October 20, 1994. 29. Ibid. 30. See Congressional Record, S1025-1040, January 18, 1995. 31. Congressional Record, January 18, 1995, S1025-2040. 32. Statement of Senator Slade Gorton, Congressional Record, January 18, 1995, p. S1034. 33. U.S. Department of Education, Center for Choice in Education, Issue Brief, "Public Opinion on Choice in Education" (March 1992), Executive Summary. 34. The Heritage Foundation, "School Choice Continues to Gain Ground," Business/Education Insider (June/July 1994). 35. Statement of Senator Coats, Congressional Record, March 24, 1995, S4582. 36. In re Sumey, 94 Wash.2d 757, 621 P.2d 108 (1980). 37. Matter of Ray, 408 N.Y.S.2d 737 (1978). 38. K.L. Billingsley, "Sex, Lies and County Government: Abuse Case Shows It All," The San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 1992. 39. Human Events, February 24, 1995. 40. United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, Article 16. 41. United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, Article 13. 42. United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, Article 15. 43. Committee on the Rights of the Child, Eighth Session, Consideration of Reports Submitted by States Parties Under Article 44 of the Convention, p. 3. 44. Statement of Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Congressional Record, January 26, 1995. 45. Mother Teresa of Calcutta, remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast, February 3, 1994. 46. Illustration Adapted from Drawings Appearing in the February 1993 Issue of "Life Advocate," National Right to Life News, July 14, 1993, p. 12. 47. Diane M. Gianelli, "Shock-tactic ads target late-term abortion procedure," American Medical News, July 5, 1993 (emphasis added to quotation). 48. Douglas Johnson, "AMA Newspaper Investigative Report Supports NRLC Statements on Brutal 'D&X' Abortion Method," National Right to Life News, July 14, 1993, pp. 12, 13. 49. Ibid., p. 13. 50. Douglas Johnson, "AMA Newspaper Investigative Report Supports NRLC Statements on Brutal 'D&X' Abortion Method," National Right to Life News, July 14, 1993, p. 12. 51. Diane M. Gianelli, "Shock-tactic ads target late-term abortion procedure," American Medical News, July 5, 1993. 52. Family Research Council, "Suffer the Children: Title X's Family Planning Failure," Insight, by Gracie S. Hsu; Family Research Council, "An Estimate of Federal Spending on Contraceptive-'Safe Sex' Services for Adolescents 1970-1993," Insight, by Charles A. Donovan, Sr., p. 2. 53. Ibid. 54. Ibid. 55. Family Research Council, "An Estimate of Federal Spending on Contraceptive-'Safe Sex" Services for Adolescents 1970-1993," Insight, by Charles A. Donovan, Sr., p. 2. 56. H.R. Conf. Rep. No. 103-733, 103d Cong., 2d Sess. 64 (1994). 57. National Right to Life Committee, Inc. Memorandum, From Douglas Johnson, Legislative Director, to "Interested Parties," April 20, 1995, p. 2. 58. Ibid. 59. Amnesty International USA, "People's Republic of China[:] Catholic Villagers in Hebei Province," March 14, 1995. 60. National Right to Life Committee, Inc., "The Clinton Administration's Promotion of Abortion as a Tool of Population Control in Less-Developed Nations," June 1, 1994, page 2. 61. National Center for Polcy Analysis, "Why Not Abolish the Welfare State?" (October 1994), Executive Summary. 62. Ibid. 63. Ibid. 64. For a general discussion of this concept, see National Center for Policy Analysis, Why Not Abolish the Welfare State? (October 1994), p. 30. 65. Written Testimony of William J. Bennett, Before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, January 24, 1995, p.3. 66. Rod Dreher, "S&M 'Art' Video Exceeds Shocking Stage Version," The Washington Times, January 26, 1995. 67. Written Testimony of Lynne V. Cheney, Before the Interior Appropriations Subcommittee on January 24, 1995, p.1. 68. Congressional Record, January 18, 1995, S1025-40. 69. Written Testimony of William J. Bennett, Before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, January 24, 1995. 70. Kathleen B. DeBettencourt, Office of Policy Development, Legal Services Corporation, "Legal Services Corporation vs. The Family," March 1988, p.15. 71. Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, "Dan Quayle Was Right," The Atlantic Monthly, April 1993, p. 47. 72. Robert James Bidinotto, "Must Our Prisons Be Resorts?" Reader's Digest, November, 1994, pp. 65, 76. 73. Robert James Bidinotto, "Must Our Prisons Be Resorts?" Reader's Digest, November, 1994, p. 65. 74. U.S. Department of Justice, "State and Federal Prison Population Tops One Million," October 27, 1994. 75. U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Census of State and Federal Correctional Facilities, 1990," p. 11. 76. U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Census of State and Federal Correctional Facilities, 1990," p. 12. A survey of state prison inmates in 1991 also substantiated that approximately one-third of the inmates had no work assignments. See Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991," p. 27. 77. H.R. Rep. No. 104-16, 104th Congress, 1st Sess. at 4 (1995). Copyright � 1995 by The Christian Coalition of this page and all contents. All Rights Reserved. | |||||
425.117 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Fri May 19 1995 11:16 | 2 | |
Is a super good man allowed to post in =wn=? I thot they don't recognize male perchilden as capable of being super good. | |||||
425.118 | OOTOOL::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Fri May 19 1995 11:34 | 10 | |
Re: .98 >It is Chelsea's Cow Duty to keep going on about how I might be >misinterpreting what Lisa said. Since every note I've entered has been in response to one of yours, one might likewise infer that it's your Cow Duty to keep yammering about a subject you purport not to care about. The deal is, I don't get off your case 'til you get off mine. | |||||
425.119 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Fri May 19 1995 11:54 | 1 | ||
>male perchilden? | |||||
425.120 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Fri May 19 1995 12:00 | 1 | |
Whoops, that should have been male perchildren (perSONs is sexist). | |||||
425.121 | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Fri May 19 1995 12:08 | 62 | |
> Restoring Religious Equality Oh yes, and why do I suspect that one religion is more equal than others? > Returning Education Control to the Local Level > Parents are distressed over the failure of schools to teach children > basic skills of reading, writing, and arithmetic. The real problem seems to be more like that schools also teach things like critical thinking and science. > Promoting School Choice After watching the debate over a local and "liberal" school choice proposal that was voted down at town school meeting, I'm convinced the only school choice the Christian Coalition wants to allow is the kind of school choice they want to require. > Protecting Parental Rights > The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; I see why this is a problem for the CC: Adults having freedom of expression is probably even worse, but harder for the CC to attempt to get put into law. > Family-Friendly Tax Relief Good idea. > Restoring Respect for Human Life I'm pro-choice and I vote. > Encouraging Support of Private Charities Tax funding of charities? No thanks. > Restricting Pornography Removal of all "Pornography" from the internet and cable TV? Propose that, as that is the intent of these sections. Fails the honest intent test. > Privatizing the Arts I support the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Arts? No. Education. > Crime Victim Restitution A better idea would be to decriminalize drugs. Phil | |||||
425.122 | LANDO::OLIVER_B | Fri May 19 1995 12:23 | 3 | ||
>(perSONs is sexist) Aw, gawahn. | |||||
425.123 | Couldn't let this go uncommented | DECWIN::RALTO | It's a small third world after all | Fri May 19 1995 12:55 | 17 |
re: .104 >> Soapbox is very similar to the enviroment I experienced as >> a child during large family get-togethers during the holidays. Everyone >> talks at the same time, and either the loudest or the most offensive >> gets heard. I am trying to undo my years of training.... You have mis-characterized this conference; in fact, it is precisely the opposite in here, and that's one of the great things about this conference. Everyone can be heard, no matter what your opinion is, no matter how much or little you want to say, no matter how politely or rudely, and no matter how loudly or softly. It's all here, nice and sequential, so your message can be read without anyone else interrupting, without being forced to be quiet, and without being forced out of the room. Chris | |||||
425.124 | NASAU::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Fri May 19 1995 13:04 | 5 | |
re:.-1 and endlessly recycled... :-)/2 | |||||
425.125 | Law of Beholding...Placing Less Benefits On Education | LUDWIG::BARBIERI | Fri May 19 1995 14:17 | 62 | |
Just a couple thoughts...(slight rise in thumper index) I believe there is a principle at work in existence that goes something like "by beholding, we become changed." I agree Lisa that we ought not legislate against these things although if we got a little more specific, we might have some disagreements such as why is Mapplethorpe (or any other art) funded in the 1st place? I heard from some person who was in (I think) Montana and there was just NOTHING around. The place could have come from the 1800's. While he was there, there was some gangland violence and he thought it totally impossible. How could this happen here? But, then he saw the TV's... Concepts that people would never think of (or at least think of less often), but there they were right in front of their eyes. And now this quaint town in Montana was enjoying the same mindset as urban areas plagued with real life things to behold (or at least much more like urban areas). They beheld and they were changed. And I appreciate your suggestions to not ban anything, I under- stand where you're coming from. I'm just addressing the reality (as I believe it to be) that as a society we are bathed with some ugly things to behold and we do get desensitized to how bad things can be. Never see a person get killed and watch your reaction when you do see it. See 10,000 murders on TV and maybe even when seeing it in real life, you're aversion to the evil of the act is somewhat desensitized. You stressed education. I don't know. This earth has gotten so much more educated than centuries previous (as a generalization). Those Germans in the 1940's weren't dumb. They were the top dogs so far as philosophy was concerned - not to mention science. But, just look at them! And as a famous Jewish person who was at Nuremberg said when he saw one of the monsters, "I saw myself." Education ain't gonna do NOTHIN!! Oh sure, it might stifle the outward act (might), but it ain't gonna change the heart. We are selfish by nature. We need a heart-change and man hasn't demonstra- ted a whole lot of success where thats concerned. We've had quite a long time to figure it out if it was within our capabilities. I guess I'm taking exception to the merit you're placing on educa- tion. I'm not saying its worthless, but I am saying that education alone doesn't change hearts. So, yeah, I am part of an ilk that sees merit to beholding divine love and to hoping that as I do, I am changed. But, I'm not in that Christian camp that seeks legislation. By God's grace, I want to be part of that camp that would be willing to relinquish my eternal salvation even for one who wants me eternally lost. Nothing else makes sense to me. Tony | |||||
425.126 | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Indeedy Do Da Day | Fri May 19 1995 14:30 | 21 | |
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425.127 | LUDWIG::BARBIERI | Fri May 19 1995 15:29 | 4 | ||
nothing else makes sense to me... ...except Spiny of course!!! | |||||
425.128 | BOXORN::HAYS | I think we are toast. Remember the jam? | Mon May 22 1995 08:37 | 15 | |
RE: 430.176 CSC32::J_OPPELT "He said, 'To blave...'" > The Religious Equality Amendment (as proposed in the May 1995 > Focus On The Family newsletter): > "In order to secure the unalienable right of the people to acknowledge > God according to the dictates of conscience; I'm sure agnostics, atheists and Buddhists will be happy to know that their rights don't need to be mentioned, or don't exist. Which is it, by the way? Phil | |||||
425.129 | CSC32::J_OPPELT | He said, 'To blave...' | Tue May 23 1995 17:53 | 6 | |
<<< Note 425.128 by BOXORN::HAYS "I think we are toast. Remember the jam?" >>> >I'm sure agnostics, atheists and Buddhists will be happy to know that >their rights don't need to be mentioned, or don't exist. In what way were their rights not mentioned? | |||||
425.130 | SMURF::BINDER | Father, Son, and Holy Spigot | Tue May 23 1995 18:03 | 10 | |
.129 > In what way were their rights not mentioned? >> "In order to secure the unalienable right of the people to acknowledge >> God according to the dictates of conscience; This does not provide for people NOT to acknowledge God or, shock horror, to DENY God. That omission violates the rights of everyone who does not believe in the Jewish-Christian-Muslim God. | |||||
425.131 | CSC32::J_OPPELT | He said, 'To blave...' | Tue May 23 1995 19:16 | 13 | |
<<< Note 425.130 by SMURF::BINDER "Father, Son, and Holy Spigot" >>> > This does not provide for people NOT to acknowledge God or, shock > horror, to DENY God. I disagree. If that is the dictates of their conscience, they are covered. > That omission violates the rights of everyone who > does not believe in the Jewish-Christian-Muslim God. I see the word "God" as "deity". Maybe a better wording is in order. | |||||
425.132 | SMURF::BINDER | Father, Son, and Holy Spigot | Wed May 24 1995 11:39 | 10 | |
.131 Denying something is not the same as acknowledging it in any manner. Denying something is REFUSING to acknowledge it. I'm all for changing the wording - something like "to acknowledge whatever deity or deities they choose, or to deny all deities, according to the dictates of their consciences." You and I both know that there are exactly three chances for such wording to be adopted by the CC: fat, slim, and none. | |||||
425.133 | CSC32::J_OPPELT | He said, 'To blave...' | Wed May 24 1995 14:04 | 7 | |
It's not the CC that has to adopt it, Dick. It's the nation that does. The CC is only the catalyst to get this ball rolling. Or are you suggesting that the CC is so powerful and representative that it is the CC that has to adopt it and not the nation as a whole... | |||||
425.134 | SMURF::BINDER | Father, Son, and Holy Spigot | Wed May 24 1995 14:16 | 9 | |
.133 The CC is the organization proposing it, and the CC has devised the phrasing of it. I do not believe that the CC would accept an altered phrasing such as I propose because I do not believe that the CC is honestly willing to tolerate freedom of nonChristian worship or thought despite whatever CC members may say when questioned. Members of the CC have too frequently demonstrated a casual willingness to prevaricate if doing so will further their theocratic agenda. | |||||
425.135 | CSC32::J_OPPELT | He said, 'To blave...' | Wed May 24 1995 14:26 | 20 | |
<<< Note 425.134 by SMURF::BINDER "Father, Son, and Holy Spigot" >>> > The CC is the organization proposing it, and the CC has devised the > phrasing of it. You are wrong. What is under discussion here (I'm not sure why) is the wording of an amendment which was proposed in the May 1995 newsletter from Focus On The Family. It was posted in 430.176. In fact, what is being proposed is intended to replace a drive for organized prayer in school, counter to alleged CC motives. As for accepting altered phrasings, the FotF newsletter clearly states that this is not the final or precise wording of the proposed amendment. You still have time to get your changes to them! Send your suggestions to: Dr. James Dobson Focus On The Family Colorado Springs, CO 80995 | |||||
425.136 | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Wed May 24 1995 15:10 | 5 | |
Since the Amendment needs to be officially worded by Congress before passage and ratification, I wouldn't worry a whole lot about whatever words CC or FotF might have in mind, but I'd be keeping a close eye on my congresscritters. | |||||
425.137 | CSOA1::LEECH | Wed May 24 1995 17:48 | 3 | ||
re: .136 We certainly agree on this one. |