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Note 416.23                   The Founding Fathers                      23 of 23
ICS::EWING                                           14 lines  11-MAY-1995 14:35
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    Question? Could there have been an international conspiracy where some
    of the founding fathers who were of course state representatives that
    grafted the US Constitution? The reason why I asked, is because there
    is no documented proof that the people called for these representatives
    to convene in Philadelphia to amend and/or nullify the Articles of Con-
    federations. It seems to me these men known as the Founding Fathers
    took it upon themselves to engineer what we call today the Supreme
    law of the land. If this is true, then it is likely that covert 
    operations were being carried out for power elite members of
    secret societies. Recall, the Illuminiti was established on 
    May 1, 1776, just prior to the Declaration of Independence.   
    I think that there is a possible connection.
                                                

Well said.  Next question.

    Hey that's my birthday!!!!

    re .0 ahhh yes a kind lady that one !!! :*)

Nancy was born on May 1, 1776?

    
    wow, at 219 years old, her and Steve look kinda good for their age.

	Does that make Nancy our Founding Mother???  :)

    Ummm....I won't tell(monday) you when my bir(monday) birthday is
    because I'm ki(monday) kind of shy about it!
    
    By the way, has anybody ever heard the song Monday Monday?
    
    

        So that's what "mf" stands for - Mother Founder ...

RE: Moday. Monday

	Can't trust that day...

ME

	If I didn't know any better, I'd say Jack Martin's birthday is Monday.
But I don't know any better.... :-)

Well, pahty hahty.

    re .13
    
    Reading through reply .13 I suddenly realized that the replies MR_TOPAZ
    is referring to were written on April 20th.
    
    Did you know that April 20th is the birthday of the late
    
    
    
                           A D O L F    H I T L E R
    
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Note 479.42                    Monte Hall Problem                       42 of 44
SMURF::BINDER "Father, Son, and Holy Spigot"          6 lines  30-JUN-1995 10:22
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    John, I stand corrected.
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Note 167.138                      Addiction !!                        138 of 138
SMURF::BINDER "Father, Son, and Holy Spigot"           1 line  25-JUL-1995 14:18
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    WHAT IN BLOODY HELL IS A POG???

    POG = Pineapple Orange Grape

    	I thought the G was for Guava.

    depends on who you ask.

    
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Note 155.304                    i hate do-gooders                     304 of 308
DEVLPR::DKILLORAN "It ain't easy, bein' sleezy!"      5 lines   3-AUG-1995 16:01
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    Jim, when have I ever argued in favor of ignorance?
    
    Dan
    

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Note 505.107           Al Gore blending into the scenery?             107 of 111
GAAS::BRAUCHER                                       16 lines   7-AUG-1995 14:33
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      By the way, if we're going to refight the War of the Rebellion,
     right here in the 'Box (and why not, we've done everything else !),
     we couldn't be more apropos.  The US Postal Service has just issued
     a full series of Civil War comemorative 32 cent stamps, of that
     era's great people and events, from both sections : Lincoln, Lee,
     Sherman, Jeff Davis, Gettysburg, etc.  "Once divided, now perforated"
     opines the wallposter of them.
    
      As you can tell, I'm personally an unreprentent Yankee, who would
     have marched with Sherman to the sea, given the chance.  However, as
     the men of each section were, I'd have been surprised at the very
     brave fight the other side was willing to put up, over matters of
     moral difference.
    
      bb
    

       
       
       
       
       
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Note 33.1060     Separation of Church and State // School Prayer    1060 of 1071
MKOTS3::JMARTIN "I press on toward the goal"          4 lines  20-SEP-1995 11:11
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    Yes and I certainly haven't forgotten you Don.  I WILL get that info on
    line.  I still haven't gotten it yet but I will be accountable here!
    
    -Jack
       

    	Who was it that used to hound Boris The Bear like that...

	Is Jack Martin/Mr Topaz the new Joe Oppelt/Glen Silva?

    The Netpest

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Note 544.205                     Colin L. Powell                      205 of 205
MKOTS3::JMARTIN "I press on toward the goal"          3 lines  10-OCT-1995 16:32
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    Just remember DougO...
    
    Bullcrap usually stunts critical thinking!

    Meany!!!!!!

       
       As long as you spell his name right, Our Jack is a happy man.

    
    It's open!!

    Brilliant observation!

    
    	RE: .30
    
    	No it's not.  I couldn't reply.
    

<----how did he do that?????

    
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MKOTS3::JMARTIN "I press on toward the goal"          8 lines  17-OCT-1995 15:26
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 Z   Jack, if it was nothing more or nothing less, why did you admit
 Z   you were wrong then?
    
    Glen, nothing more, nothing less.  I was admitting fault in the C-P
    conference.  My question about Evolution has nothing to do with me
    coming into Soapbox and beguiling the Jewish faith.
    
    Topes, are you Jewish,  if not, then why are you complaining? 

    Get back there & find the rest of 'em...  They'll make great reading of
    a cold winter's night when little is as much fun as reading dumb notes,
    and no-one's online.  If they're all together in one place, it's
    easier... :-)
    
    A banner day, Oh yes indeed.  And so MANY in 33.* !! 
    

    TYVM.
    
    Tried it.  Stored it locally.  MY PC CRASHED.
    
    Turns out that entire disc sector crapped out, and under diagnostics
    reports that it now can store only ONE bit per octet.
    
    Thanks VERY much...  Wod didja say YOUR cost center code is???
    
    :-)
    
    |-{:-)
    

        
    	ext/all/author=jmartin 1.1 1.0-l.l
    
    	exit
    	exit
    
    
    	ty/page 1.1
    
    
    
    	8^)
    

    

    
    
    You guys stop picking on Jack!!!!!!!!
    

    
    	Hey, if I make a mistake in posting a "for sale" ad in that
    	other place, I expect you to correct me one way or another.
    
    	However, here, you have no authority.  8^)
    

    
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Note 56.2472                    Gay Issues Topic                    2472 of 2472
COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert"                       6 lines  19-OCT-1995 16:06
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Nope.  It's just the further continuation of the nonsense that there is
any possible rationale for considering the gay lifestyle to be acceptable.

That needs to be turned around.

<----you beat me to it Joan!

    
    	From a religious perspective, John had every right to say that.
    

<---need more qualifiers. I know too many people who are religious who would 
    not agree with him

    
    .43, Shawn
    
    And I have every right to dismiss it as crap.
    

    
    	OK, Glen, from John's religious perspective.  How's that?
    
    
    	Joan:
    
    	Of course you do.  And I don't have a problem with that.
    

<---shawn, thank you. i don't want to see the whole world of religion smashed 
    due to john's view.

    Have at it Glen, just please save the cathedrals, the Bach Cantatas,
    about half the Requiems, the odd lot of incense... but most of the rest
    is mental chains imho.  Don't forget various ritual foods...  Oh well
    the list goes on, but you get the idea.
    
    |-{:-)
    

    
    ... and the wine!
    
    -b

    
    ...and the spankings!
    

    ....and the oral sex!

    Wow- that's a killer combination!

    
    	Granted, the wine is usually the item that makes all the rest
    	possible.
    

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Note 568.52                         Exorcisms                           52 of 53
POLAR::RICHARDSON "Pettin' & Sofa Settin'"            2 lines  23-OCT-1995 17:26
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    ...but I digress...
    

    I am honoured.

 Please to meet ya..

PS. SNARF!
    
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Note 552.220                 Presidential primaries                   220 of 224
CALLME::MR_TOPAZ                                      5 lines  24-OCT-1995 10:52
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		Diaper Dan thought Soapbox was great,
		'Til he started to participate;
		Cause when he opened his yap
		All that came out was crap,
		And he got handed his head on a plate.

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Note 138.1302              'Box Word/Phrase of the Day              1302 of 1302
CALLME::MR_TOPAZ                                      4 lines  26-OCT-1995 13:10
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       Jack, I forgive you for everything that you ever might have done
       and everything that you even thought of doing.
       

    
    	This loses all sincerity when analyzed:
    
    
       >Jack, I forgive you for everything that you ever might have done
    							 ---------------
    
    	Not everything he did, but everything he MIGHT HAVE DONE.  In
    	other words, Jack changed his mind and didn't do them after all.
    
    
       >and everything that you even thought of doing.
    				     -------
    
    	Thought ... past tense of think.  Need I say more?
    
    	8^)
    

    
    Sorry Shawn...
    
    I still don't know how to make one of those smiley face thingies into a
    sarcastic face, or I woulda added it to my title...
    
    :)
    

    Shawn:
    
    You're screwing up a tender moment and I will cast a spell of
    hemmerhoids upon you if you continue.  I did it to Haag and I can most
    assuredly do it to you!
    
    Topes, thank you!

    Spell casting is anti-christian and will most assuredly solidfy your
    seat on the train to the underworld.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.

	I think OJ Martin would make a good Dr. Bombay!

    Dr. Bombay Dr. Bombay....we really do need you...come right away!!
    
    Poof!>  Colonel Kritenton from Hogans Heroes!

    
    	Jack, your presence here alone is akin to a case of hemorrhoids.
    
    	Or at least one specific hemorrhoid.
    

    Shewwwww.....well, I'm glad I'm having some effect!!1

	jack, you knew that too well..... that troubles me.....

    Quiet you peasant!!!!!!

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Note 15.3349                      1-800-SOAPBOX                     3349 of 3349
POWDML::HANGGELI "Little Chamber of Tootsie Pops"    10 lines  27-OCT-1995 14:52
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    Last night was apparently ToT night in, at least, Maynard and Hudson. 
    
    I saw two little kids, holding hands, dressed as Pooh and Tigger.
    
    
    
    OK, OK, they were cute.  Repeat this, and I'll deny it 8^).
    
    

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Note 9.1905                   The Processing Topic                  1905 of 1905
MKOTS3::JMARTIN "I press on toward the goal"         12 lines  31-OCT-1995 10:27
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    Richard:
    
    The clue which lead me to believe it is Soapbox was the (tm).  Over in
    the box, some of the participants (tm) phrases or words they use and
    are very protective of their trademarks.  No where to my knowledge in
    any other conference does this occur.  
    
    Soapbox is like the city where Obe Juan and Luke met Hans Solo and
    Chewbaka.  Nowhere in all of Digital will you find a bigger consortium
    of scum and villiany!
    
    -Jack

Obi Wan

    Sorry...I'm not good with these French names!

    villainy

    Han Solo
    Chewbaca
    villainy
    

    whatever

    
    
    Corrections in the repository note don't/shouldn't count... 
    
    Go comment on the original one...
    

    is this a rule, bonapartiski?

    Comment on the original?  Not a chance.  We'd have to venture into that
    den of piety and sanctimony AKA C-P.  

     Han Solo => Hans Solo
    Chewbaca => Chewbacca

    
    re: .80
    
    >is this a rule, bonapartiski?
    
    Nope... should be self explanatory... 
    
    re: .81
    
      God forbid you shouldn't paly it safe.... wot??
    

	.73
	
>   No where to my knowledge in any other conference does this occur.  

	it's been used for years in ::GRATEFUL.NOTE

    >> Han Solo => Hans Solo
    
    Really?  I always thought it was Han.  Oh well...
    
    As for "Obe Juan", I like that spelling better.  Sounds like a
    character that Desi Arnaz or Ricardo Montalban could have played,
    which certainly would have given "Star Wars" a different spin.
    
    Chris

    
    It's HAN Solo, not HANS Solo.  Cripes, the guy wasn't German, you know
    8^).
    
    

    Mz.Debra is correct.

    She also has the cutest little simper I ever sawed.

    But not as cute as Karen's laugh!

    >8^|

    Well, I say Debra's laugh is intoxicating.

    
    	It gives you a headache after a few hours, eh?
    

    
    
    	Incoming!
    
    
    	{duck}
    

    
    Shawn:
    
    
                         
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    <-- That is just the cutest thing.
    
    

	Ropository snarf!!!!

    
    	Deb, I bet you say that to ALL the guys.
    

    
    	I agree with mz_debra!
    

  I like it m'self, thank ya (and thanks to Mz Deb for sending to me after
 I'd lost it)..


 I sent it to our secretary here one day, with the mail subject header 
 indicating that an important report was attached ;-)

    Mos Eisley

    Bill

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BIGQ::SILVA "Diablo"                                  3 lines  31-OCT-1995 16:52
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POLAR::RICHARDSON "CPU Cycler"                         1 line   1-NOV-1995 09:55
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    Removing 10mm of snow off my car this morning.
       
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BUSY::SLABOUNTY "Erin go braghless"                   3 lines   1-NOV-1995 09:59
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    	That's 4" for all you metric-ignorants.
    
       

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Note 323.1075                    The AIDS topic                     1075 of 1117
BIGQ::SILVA "Diablo"                                 14 lines   6-NOV-1995 17:04
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| <<< Note 323.1069 by SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI "Been complimented by a toady lately?" >>>

| My cousin and his boyfriend attest to the fact that this is normal in
| their sexual relationship (I don't know about the tongue thing) and
| that in their past relationships it was also normal. They also stated
| they know of NO gays that do NOT engage in this aspect of sex...

	I know of many who do not. I do, but there are those out there who
don't. 

Glen

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BIGQ::SILVA "Diablo"                                 11 lines   7-NOV-1995 09:14
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| Do you give blood? Why/why not?

	Yes. I give blood incase others need it.

| What/who are those questions aimed at about certain behaviours on the
| the donor forms???

	Anyone having sex.

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Note 14.4620                       News Briefs                      4620 of 4638
PERFOM::LICEA_KANE "when it's comin' from the left"   5 lines   7-NOV-1995 15:45
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    re: .4614
    
    Huh?  What's *your* problem.
    
    								-mr. bill
    

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Note 19.800                       Introductions                       800 of 845
POLAR::RICHARDSON "CPU Cycler"                        4 lines   8-NOV-1995 11:11
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    Hello Jim, everything you say here can and will be twisted into
    something perverted.
    
    nnttm, hth, kfc, lmnop


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    Truer words have not been spoken (written)
    :-)

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BSS::S_CONLON "A Season of Carnelians"               36 lines  13-NOV-1995 11:21
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[...]
    You can take your dick out of my face now.  I didn't say that your
    definition of the word was wrong.  I've heard it used more than
    one way, that's all.

    Perhaps others here have heard this same usage.  I've lived in too
    many regions of this country (and have known too many people from
    even more regions of this country) to pin it down, if it is regional.

Damn.  I wouldn't ever put it somewhere it might get bitten off.

    
    
    Maybe Suzanne and Mark can try to discuss this at a nudist colony???
    

    Then again maybe not.

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| Damn.  I wouldn't ever put it somewhere it might get bitten off.

	Phew.....

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Note 20.3528                        Abortion                        3528 of 3529
COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert"                       3 lines  14-NOV-1995 09:20
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That's not context, that's whitewash.

/john

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BSS::S_CONLON "A Season of Carnelians"               10 lines  14-NOV-1995 15:17
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    RE: .479  Dick Binder
    
    /// Actually, Mark did neither.
    
    // Good - well, at least you agree that I didn't do this.
    
    / I didn't say "Mark didn't do it, either."  I said "Mark did neither 
    / [of the things you were complaining about]."
    
    You're right.  My mistake.

    If I ever quit using spell-checker - and if I quit editing and reposting
    my notes after spotting the typos - you may end up seeing this a lot. :)
                                                                          

    
    	Funny how the spell-checker misses all those typos that you
    	have to go back and correct.
    

    The spell-checker doesn't pick it up when I type something
    like "the the" or leave a word out of a sentence entirely 
    by touch typing so fast.

    My most frequent error is to type 'probably' when I mean
    'probable' and visa versa.  Spell-checker doesn't pick
    these up either.

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Note 33.1919     Separation of Church and State // School Prayer    1919 of 1920
BIGQ::SILVA "Diablo"                                 10 lines  14-NOV-1995 17:10
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| please address jim's request for facts, with something a bit more
| weighty than your words, 'the proof is out there...'

	SHE'S BAAAACKKKK! 'tine.... I'm going on what I have been hearing in
here, on the news, etc. 


Glen

<---Jim, that would be a correct place for it IF I had stated I got the info
    elsewhere. 

    Re .120:L
    
    > My most frequent error is to type 'probably' when I mean
    > 'probable' and visa versa.
    
    No, it is not.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
Public key fingerprint:  8e ad 63 61 ba 0c 26 86  32 0a 7d 28 db e7 6f 75
To find PGP, read note 2688.4 in Humane::IBMPC_Shareware.

    One would have to see all my notes before they are posted to know
    for sure.  :)

    
    	I think you'd be VERY surprised to find out how wrong you are.
    

    Actually, you're both probably right about that.

    .120
    
    > My most frequent error is to type 'probably' when I mean
    > 'probable' and visa versa.
                     ^^^^
    
    You're charging your errors, are you?

    Yes, Dick, I am.  But only after I Master the errors.   :)

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BSS::S_CONLON "A Season of Carnelians"               54 lines  16-NOV-1995 12:12
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    RE: .707  Mark Levesque

    / Nothing new, just the same rehashed BS ...

    You should have used this as the title of your note, Mark.

    Well, I didn't really expect you to be willing to engage in a good
    one-on-one fair fight.  It's not your style (and never has been.)

    You are truly the consummate coward.  You can only engage in a brawl
    when the person you are fighting is vastly outnumbered.  Otherwise,
    you are nothing more than a sniveling worm.

    I see that you are still using the reference to violent rape in your
    personal name.  How telling that you chose to use it while you engaged
    in a lengthy "raking over the coals" (to use your phrase) of a solitary
    female while high-fiving it to the gang of men you kept nearby to support 
    you.  They did a bit of their own "raking" at the same time you were
    doing yours, of course.

    The phrase "squeal like the pig you are" is a real window into your 
    character and attitude (as much as the "75 Reasons Why Bitches Should 
    Not Have Free Speech" was a window into those Cornell freshmen's 
    attitudes.)  Then again, they're just kids - and they've apologized.
    You're an adult - so you're a full-blown <blank>hole with little hope 
    of changing.

    If you ever work up the courage to get into a fair fight with me,
    I'm ready for it.  I've already offered some suggestions for ground
    rules (including a provision which gives BOTH PEOPLE a guarantee of
    receiving precisely HALF of the two 'last words' possible in the
    two debate phases:  the argument phase and the conclusion phase.
    The order of 'last words' is also set to be determined by a flip of
    a coin.)  You talk about 'last words' every time we speak, so it's
    obviously an important part of your life.  I set it up to make this
    matter PERFECTLY FAIR to both people, so that you would have nothing
    to cry about later.

    Unfortunately, you decided to cry before we ever got to the fair fight
    in the first place, so these rules stand only as a monument to your fear.

    I also set it up so that neither person could insult the other or
    make personal comments, and BOTH people would have to stand alone.
    A pretty frightening prospect for you, obviously.  In fact, it's
    downright impossible for you.

    If you ever do decide that you are enough of a man to engage me in
    a fair fight, you know where to find me.  I'll be waiting.

    Don't even THINK about coming at me in another one of these gang brawls 
    until you are willing to face me ONE-ON-ONE, though.  

    I'll keep the fair fight suggestions handy in the meantime.  If you
    ever get the balls to face me on your own, I'll be there.

    Mark Levesque,
    
    Thank you for making my challenge to you a permanent part of this
    version of the 'Box.  
    
    It stands as a monument to your utter and complete cowardice.
    
    If you ever find the guts to face me one-on-one, I'll be waiting.

    Suzanne:
    
    Remember the analogy I made in the abortion topic a year ago??!!
    
    Handsome Stevie Leech, Jack the hit man Martin and Ravishing Jim
    Henderson  ....LIVE.....
    
    
    
    			IN A STEEL CAGE EXTRAVOGANZA....
    
    
    
    		Facing the Lovely Mary Michael, Beautiful Meg and 
    		THE EVER SO ILLUSTRIOUS Gorgeous Suzanne.
    
    
    
    		One man fall with a 60 minute time limit.  Sanctioned 
    		by the World Wrestling Federation of Abortion debate.
    
    Well, you stole MY idea here!!!!
    
    -Jack

	You think Steve is handsome? Jim Henderson is ravishing? Jack.... you're
gay!


    

    Well, I wasn't participating in Soapbox a year ago, and I don't
    think I'd been in the Abortion topic - until the recent discussions
    about late-term abortions - for 5 or 6 years, at least.
    
    So I didn't see your fight announcement at all.  
    
    (By the way, I didn't realize that Suz K. was still here a year ago.  
    She's really cool.)

    kissypooo Meatyluv.

	Everyone is becoming gay in here.....

    Suzanne:
    
    It was most assuredly you, not Suz Kinacki!  You were in there for
    about a three week period!

    
    >about a three week period!
    
    
    	Hmmm ... this could explain quite a bit.
    
    	When did she start on this etymology tirade?
    

This entomology tirade really bugs me.

>This entomology tirade really bugs me.


 It flies in the face of sensibility, that's for sure.

    Raid!!!

    
    Why is everyone so Antsy in here today????
    

    
    	It's ticking me off, too!
    

    I laughed so hard when I read the line about me being "fulla
    gadinkydust" that I had to put it here so I could come back
    and get a refresher laugh from time to time!!! Thanks Dr. Dan!
    
    -b
    
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DRDAN::KALIKOW "DIGITAL=DEC; Reclaim the Name&Glory" 12 lines  17-NOV-1995 09:13
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    TeekEma.
    
    Not bored.
    
    Making a pernt.
    
    The untrammeled naycha of Da 'Box �ber alles (save for Corporate P&Ps)!
    
    Brian Markey, on his beef wiv DougO, is imho, fulla gadinkydust.
    
    |-{:-)
    
    

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Note 16.388                         The Ring                          388 of 388
DEVLPR::DKILLORAN "No Compromise on Freedom"          6 lines  29-NOV-1995 10:43
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    Well thank god that's over!  One of the most childish displays I've
    seen in a long time... 
    
    :-P
    

    Yep, that's what I thought when I read it.

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PENUTS::DDESMAISONS "person B"                        4 lines  30-NOV-1995 14:03
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   .615 semi-doubting thomas, if it's not "tears are fallin'...",
	i'll eat dr. dan's hat.  the glow-in-the-dark one.

    
    	Oh yeah, I forgot ... she's a moderator, isn't she??
    
    	So much for preservation of evidence.
    

    	Oh yeah, you forgot ... she's got integrity, doesn't she??
    
    	So much for destruction of evidence.
    

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SMURF::BINDER "Eis qui nos doment vescimur."          8 lines  19-DEC-1995 09:50
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    .1199
    
    I'm not Phil, but I'd suggest that the republicans should learn that
    the wored "politics" is a synonym for "compromise."  For the past 13
    months they have been crowing that now they were in power there would be
    no compromise.  Slick could accede to the terms of the Kontract on
    Amerika, or he could go fly a kite.  It's coming home to roost - he's
    playing their game and they're bawling about it.

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MKOTS3::JMARTIN "I press on toward the goal"         15 lines  11-JAN-1996 10:31
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    [ irrelevant material excised ]
    
    Joan, I wish you the best.  Always appreciated your humor at my knee
    jerk replies here...especially the senseless ones.  Take care of
    yourself.
    
    Rgds.,
    
    -Jack

    
    
    He as said as much before, Dick.
    
    
    
    Mike

    .151
    
    So?  I like to enshrine great notes, and that was one.

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ACISS1::BATTIS "two cans short of a 6 pack"           2 lines  17-JAN-1996 11:45
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    I'll bite Glenn.

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NOTIME::SACKS "Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085"   1 line  25-JAN-1996 10:31
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Oy!  I agree with Krawiecki!

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MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Bye Bye Mrs. Dougherty!"            15 lines  26-JAN-1996 10:59
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  ....
    
    Tom, the human condition isn't deteriorating.  It has always been
    deteriorated.
    
    -Jack

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Note 636.15                      Lamar Alexander                        15 of 15
AIMHI::RAUH "I survived the Cruel Spa"                3 lines   6-FEB-1996 15:46
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    I donno, he isnt as extream as many. Not off the edge as Bucanon, not
    as obserd as Forbs, seems mild compaired to Dole... Tuff call. Best
    said by Taylor they are all laywers and all rejects from a law firm.:)

    
    	The funny thing about George, though, is that I can never tell
    	the difference between an honest attempt at grammatical correct-
    	ness and sarcasm.
    

 Another one who needs to consider answering <n> when asked whether to
    really enter the note...
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POLAR::RICHARDSON "I sawer that"                       1 line  14-FEB-1996 12:26
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    One anus, one fart.

    re .-1
    

    Who knows?
    
    He's always mad at me.
    
    8^)

    >> Who knows?
    
    
    >> He's always mad at me.
    
    
    	Well, let's gang up and go burn down his cube while singing
    Tibetian Monk Love Mantras...

    
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Note 601.514                        Bob Dole                          514 of 514
MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs."             5 lines  15-FEB-1996 16:17
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    Damn....I should have thought about that!  
    
    ...
    

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MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs."             9 lines  29-FEB-1996 15:51
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    Lunchbox:
    
    Try to emulate me.  I was a vindictive individual when I first
    participated here.  I now tend to use wisdom and discernment in my
    thoughts and how I express them.
    
    Rgds.,
    
    -Jack

    
    	Looks like Jack left the "mis" off of "misuse".
    

    
    .163
    
    BBWWWWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAA !!!
    
    

    MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs."       
    >>I now tend to use wisdom and discernment in my thoughts.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
    
     Jack, it's spelled excretement.  NNTTM.
      

    Oh...but indeed.  Thank you for correcting me!!!!! :-)

    .166
    
    excrement.
    
    nnttm.

    Figgers Dick would get the poop on that one.

    I knew there was something amyss

    
    Is this now the suppository note or sumptin' :)

    
    	Stick it!!
    

    ...but gently.

    Well, it seems we've been discovered. He saw right through our low
    I.Q's.
    
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BSS::SMITH_S "the rude dude"                          5 lines  12-MAR-1996 22:15
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    Okay, guys. Let's shake & just be friends. I'm willing to look through
    the stream of bullets and apparently low I.Q's if you guys can forgive
    my brash hostility. You continue to bring the worst out in me. I
    appreciate this that you've brought.      Friends?
    

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CSLALL::SECURITY "MADHATTA"                           6 lines   6-MAR-1996 17:22
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    John Hinkley Jr. shot Reagan, and you're correct, he was found insane.
    I can't think of any professional football  player pleading insanity,
    just a recent one who proved his innocence. I don't want to open a can
    of worms about that, though.
    
    						lunchbox

    oh boy.

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BUSY::SLABOUNTY "Don't like my p_n? 1-800-328-7448"   4 lines  18-MAR-1996 14:08
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    I am class-challenged. everyone in soapbox knows this.
    as for calling you a bozo, it was correct at the time.
    

    
    	Darn, I stay out of this topic completely and then appear in here
    	twice in 1 month!!
    

    -1 well Shawn, which is it?

    
    	Don't make me go up there and pound you senseless.  8^)
    
    	Darn, I stay out of this topic completely [up until a month ago]
    	and then appear in here twice since then!!
    

    Shawn, we don't want to hear about your sexual fantasies.

    
    	Who's this "we"?  You got a mouse in your pocket or some ...
    
    	Oops, it's you, Glenn.  Now I understand.
    

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SCASS1::BARBER_A "breath in, breath out"              4 lines  22-MAR-1996 11:48
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    I'm testosterone-impaired.  
    [...] but it's pretty cool when they beat up on eachother.  

    I knew it!!  8)

  doctah, are you implying that all men are brainless brutes? ;>

    According to someone's standards... 8^)

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MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs."            39 lines  17-APR-1996 10:09
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...
I believe New Age is one of the biggest shams of the late 20th century. 
...

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    Note 711.143      APPLAUSE APPLAUSE - The Bernie Goetz Verdict!   143 of 143
    MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs."          2 lines 25-APR-1996 10:02
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    Yes...thank you and please stop jumping to conclusions to further
    your pet ideologies.
     

    I get pissed off because people like Steve look for a ghost behind
    every rock.  It's annoying.

       <<< Note 417.190 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs." >>>
    
    I get pissed off because people like Steve look for a ghost behind
    every rock.  It's annoying.
    
    

    Brian,
    
    We have become a paranoid society.  The sensitivity crowd has retarded
    the common sense of the country.  We are incapable of having any
    backbone or expressing our feelings in a way to curb bad race
    relations.  So in a sense, yes, I do blame the sensitivity crowd for 
    manipulating free thinking in this country.

    The appropriateness of the location of your last note Jack is, is,
    well, it's just appropriate I guess.  Job well done.  

    Grrrrrrrrrr.......

| <<< Note 417.192 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs." >>>

| The sensitivity crowd has retarded the common sense of the country.  

	Jack, this statement speaks volumes of your view, and how bad it is.

| We are incapable of having any backbone or expressing our feelings in a way 
| to curb bad race relations.  

	I think it was that backbone that caused bad race relations. It takes a
different kind of backbone to be willing to make repairs. But you can't see
that, and it doesn't look like it will change anytime soon.


Glen

    
    <-------
    
    > Jack, this statement speaks volumes of your view, and how bad it is.
    
    In your everso-humble-opinion, of course....

	Since when has my opinion been humble? :-)

    All this touchy-feely PC crapola changes nothing (except, perhaps, the
    speed at which America is being dumbed down).  All it really does is
    hide the problems behind neutered language.
    
    Jack is right in gist.  We are becoming much-minded zombies who are
    being prodded into thinking and talking a certain way.  This is only
    the beginning of what this form of brainwashing can accomplish.  
    
    
    -steve

    Glen:
    
    My conviction to curb bad race relations is just as strong as yours is
    Glen.  The difference between our two philosophies is you seem to
    believe the social workers of this country are going to help us save
    ourselves.  I submit to you that they are collectively screwing things
    up more than they are helping.  
    
    Social workers today are the priests and priestesses of modern
    liberalism.  I don't think in the history of our country has the
    populace been put in convenient little categories as they have today.
    
    -Jack

    Suppository Snarf!

    re. 198
    
      I use to have this turtle when I was young.  I saved him from the
    dangers of being outdoors.  I took him in and loved him and protected
    him.  A week later, he died.
    -ss
    

    
    	Eesh, what were you protecting him from?
    

 Z   Your nice little home with
 Z   satellite dish that doesn't receive the Body Dance stations, does
 Z   not sit alone on the frontier.  Hiding in the living room will not shield
 Z   you from the rest of us depraved beings. 
    
    Now this had me red in the face!  My boss was inquiring because I
    couldn't hold the laugh in any more!  Kind of like Mary Tyler Moore at
    the Chuckles the Clown funeral!!!!!! :-)

    It was meant to please, Jack.  I was hoping you'd get a chuckle out of
    it.  

    Well I did.  That's going in my greatest hits collection!

    it's a good idea, jack. the satellite dish on the roof.
    good precaution, in case you have a flood.

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AIMHI::RAUH "I survived the Cruel Spa"                2 lines  13-MAY-1996 14:49
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    .16 In the sports area, outside of Nicky the Greek who was a bookie has
    said and gotten away with it?

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Note 18.3118               Bill Clinton/Hillary Rodham              3118 of 3119
SPECXN::CONLON                                       37 lines  21-MAY-1996 11:36
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    ...
    
    If this is what you meant to say, then take an English class.  It's
    not what you wrote.

    ...
    

    Shawn, what would I do without you running along behind my notes
    like my own little groupie?  :)

    
    Yeah, Shawn...
    
    Hmmmm... what kind of "head" can we call you for doing that???
    

    
    	Suzanne, I thought a groupie was an admirer?
    
    	8^)
    

    It is.  :)
    

    Ah, then it must be delusions of grandeur from which you are
    suffering!

    Only if it could be considered 'grand' to be followed around by
    a groupie like Shawn.  :)
    

    
    	The delusion is that I'm following you around because I'm a
    	groupie [admirer].
    
    	The reality is much different.  8^)
    

    
    	Well, I don't like to think of you as a stalker, Shawn,
    	so I'll keep you as a groupie.  :)
    

    Fourteen Quatloos to anybody who can decipher the following...
    
    
 Z   Klintoon dress's like Charlie Manson. With his angles go out for a ride
 Z   to visit these good folks. 'Do something witchy', he says to the
 Z   angles of death as they go off high on LSD. :)
    

    I know, I stole the line from Lord Hemmerhoid!!!

    Exactly how many degrees are there on the "angles of death?"
    

 Let's not have a protracted debate on that question, eh?

    
    	Looks like everybody will enter acute joke on this subject.
    

    Oh don't be so obtuse.  
    
    Isoscolest  puns there ever was on this one.

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    MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Madison...5'2'' 95 lbs."          1 line  6-JUN-1996 17:09
    
        Ahhh...the dangers of lacking knowledge.
    

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RUSURE::EDP "Always mount a scratch monkey."         20 lines  24-JUN-1996 15:20
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    Re .118:
    
    > Incorrect. Murder is a legal term.
    
    "Murder" is also an ethical term.  Further, you know the intent of my
    words, that I mean it is wrong to kill an innocent person.  We are not
    discussing what is or is not legal, so there is no reason to put a
    legal interpretation on the words.
    
    > . . . society would only be guilty of murder if it were known that
    > the person were innocent and the person were killed anyway.
    
    Texas versus Herrera.   
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago Bulls-1996 world champs"      2 lines  28-JUN-1996 15:03
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    pardon my ignorance
    

    Notes>
    
    
    Note 750.72        Children in world-class sports - bad idea?      72 of 74
    ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago Bulls-1996 world champs"  3 lines  3-JUL-1996 08:55
    
    
        Jack Martin, I am not French. German/Irish, thank you very much.
        Explains my propensity for good beer.
    

    > perhaps clinton simply changed his mind, thought better of 
    > the idea.  he's been known to change his mind.

    hey, that was said tongue-in-cheek.  for the record.

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THEMAX::SMITH_S                                        1 line  25-JUL-1996 19:14
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    CEO Snarf

    Oh my...

    8^O
    
    

    Ya got to admire his tenacity.  I was going to use one of Glen's three
    D snarfs.

    oh sure you were, jack.

    I WAS!!! REALLY!!!  I just forgot to go over there is all....

    it was a good troll, jack, a very good troll.

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ACISS1::BATTIS "New Chevy Blazer owner"               7 lines  19-AUG-1996 13:51
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    raq, i've got news for you. Chicago is the midwest. it is literally
    smack in the middle of the US of A. 
    

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MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Ebonics Is Not Apply"                4 lines  22-JAN-1997 16:54
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    So back to the question.
    
    Why are pro choicers in general bigoted toward the mentally
    handicapped?  

    Lady Di:
    
    It isn't lacking if it causes a stink...which is apparently what it
    did.
    
    We got a good 100 replies out of it...what are you raising a fuss
    for?!!

    
    	A good 100 replies?
    
    	No, more like "a good 100-jack" replies.
    

>         <<< Note 417.325 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Ebonics Is Not Apply" >>>
    
>    It isn't lacking if it causes a stink...

	    Yes it is, but keep patting yourself on the back, by
	    all means.  Very becoming.

    You mean very comely!

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SSDEVO::RALSTON "Goodbye, Feb 14th"                   3 lines   5-FEB-1997 17:58
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    I think it is acceptable usage, in the English language, to use him in
    -------
    a sentence as a gender neutral term. I'm sure that Di could help on
    this one.
    

    Di, HELP Di!!!!   :)

    bwahahahaha!

                             ``The public now is very clear as to how
                             political our board is and how they operate,''
                             she said. ``There's no intention to educate
                             African-Americans at the highest level.

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RUSURE::EDP "Always mount a scratch monkey."         12 lines  11-FEB-1997 15:19
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    Re .22498:
    
    >     TTWA:  Is all human knowledge available on the internet?
    
    Why ask here?  Can't you find the answer on the web?
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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    MKOTS3::JMARTIN "Ebonics Is Not Apply"            6 lines 11-FEB-1997 16:28
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    Mark:
    
    The people here can at times be crass...at least that is what I've
    come to understand.
    
    -Jack
    

    
    <----- the last two are classics.

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PENUTS::DDESMAISONS "person B"                        6 lines  19-FEB-1997 15:57
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   .390  I am definitely _not_ too refined for this place.
	 John is being more honest than I am.
	 Personally, I don't find John's reaction any more boorish
	 or objectionable than Glen's crude comments.  

  what's so special about that?

    What a waste of time.

    beats playing solitaire.

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ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago - My Kind of Town"            3 lines  26-FEB-1997 09:11
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    gee, I don't know shawn. Glenn is a humoric Jedi master. Colin, on
    the other hand is very Yoda like, even resembles him a bit.

    
    <---- liked that, eh? I did.

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Note 846.47            Special Ed: a system ripe for abuse              47 of 47
PERFOM::LICEA_KANE "when it's comin' from the left"  14 lines   3-APR-1997 08:19
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    . . . .
    I have *NO* *FACTS* to back up my case.
    . . . .

    
    <--- damn. i thought for sure topic 35 would get this. <sigh> 

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ACISS1::BATTIS "Ferzie fan"                           2 lines  23-APR-1997 16:07
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    di, slot a goes into slot b.
    

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BIGQ::SILVA "http://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/"  15 lines  28-APR-1997 16:14
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	Jim.... I think it is because most people relate Christian people with
the most vocal. The Pat Robertson's of the world. So people just don't give a
damn. Yet you have to admit that even with all the hype about Ellen, Touched by
an Angel does much better in the ratings. :-)

	If people want change, then they gotta do something about it. To *me*,
you are doing something about it just by being you. You're not holier than
thou, and you freely admit that. There are others who don't. 

	If someone were to come out 30 years ago.... it never would be shown.
If someone became a Christian 30 years ago, it would probably have made the
news. I think the vocal Christians have swung the pangolin around the other way
for those who they are against, and against themselves. jmnsho

now maybe you can explain why?

    
    	I think we need two repositories:
    
    	"Attaboy repository"
    	"'What an idiot' repository"
    

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BUSY::SLAB "Be gone - you have no powers here"        6 lines  28-APR-1997 18:14
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    	I think we need two repositories:
    
    	"Attaboy repository"
    	"'What an idiot' repository"
    

    
    	What'd you do that for ... it's already here!!
    
    	8^)
    

    swinging pangolins are an endangered species.

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WECARE::GRIFFIN "John Griffin zko1-3/b31 381-1159"   21 lines   4-JUN-1997 14:12
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    ONe year before the OKC bombing, McVeigh was a peaceful protester at
    Waco, Texas, handing out leaflets, trying to bring about the end of the
    seige.
    
    Then the tanks rolled in.
    
    A lot of Americans died, their right to due process totally
    disregarded; a lot of kids burned to death, and no one in Washington
    lost their job or got penalized at all.
    
    Peaceful protester McVeigh went into "action mode", and became a 
    "political terrorist." 
    
    I doubt he'll escape the death penalty, and I don't know that he
    should, but I'm dismayed that every night on the news one still hears
    people asking, "why did he do it?"
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    	Enlighten us, oh great one.
    

    Well for a start, the end of the seige at Waco:
    	April 19, 1993.
    
    Timothy McVeigh bombs the Alfred P. Murrah, killing 169 people:
    	April 19, 1995.
    
    McVeigh was *not* at Waco April 19, 1993.
    
    								-mr. bill

so a few errors in timing should result in dismisal of the author's point?

    
    	RE: .354
    
    	Oh, now I see.  But as .355 says, maybe that [IE, specific delta
    	time period] wasn't the idea that his message was trying to convey.
    

| so a few errors in timing should result in dismisal of the author's point?
    
    Rather severe error.
    
    Then there are the Americans who died at Waco.
    
    But since almost all of their murderers committed suicide, McVeigh
    couldn't kill them again.  Quickly, name the people who were convicted
    of crimes at Waco!
    
    								-mr. bill

    
    	Waco ... was that the situation involving the BATF rushing in with
    	all their guns blazing?
    

    
    
    	The govt was right. they should have burned the place down right
    off the bat...
    
    

    AFAIC, the gummit really botched the whole WACO deal.
    
    On the other hand, shooting at BATF agents isn't exactly the smartest
    move in history, either.

The key points:

  He protested at WACO
  He objected to how WACO was handled and the use of
  military equipment against civilians.
  He watched the women and children go up in flames prompted by the
  actions of the authorities, suicide or not.
  He found the actions of the government intollerable.


>Rather severe error.

  Says you. They were unimportant to the points the author was making.
  

>Quickly, name the people who were convicted of crimes at Waco!

 Quickly, how is this important to TM state of mind?


 Doug.

 >  	Waco ... was that the situation involving the BATF rushing in with
 >   	all their guns blazing?
 
  Not according to the movie ....

>  Says you. They were unimportant to the points the author was making.
    
    Regardless, their inaccuracy calls the author's credibility into
    question.
    
    Make all of the points you want, but don't make things up if you want
    to be taken seriously.

    Thanks, Fyfe, but I did get the dates wrong and I deserve the maximum
    punishment: a long session in the Mr Bill Agony Chamber, where what
    little mind I have to start with will be destroyed beyond repair by
    sarcasm, smugness and numbing repetition of nano-theses.
    
    Anyway, I'm not defending McVeigh or suggesting any kind of moral
    equivalency 'tween the one and t'other.
    
    I'm sure in HIS mind, he's political terrorist.  

    > nano-theses
    
    Good for a screen full o' nasally ejected cola.
    
    My sinuses thank you.

    Re .363:
    
    > Make all of the points you want, but don't make things up if you want
    > to be taken seriously.

    What about making things up, disagreeing with a correction, compounding
    that, and then disagreeing with a pointer to the correct information
    and magnifying it with an absurd satire of your opponent that turns out
    to be completely wrong?
    
    Never ever trust Bill Licea-Kane.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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>    Never ever trust Bill Licea-Kane.

	Good grief.  I trust him and I trust in his humanity, as well.

  

    
    	Well, Diane, there goes YOUR credibility also.
    

   .368  it's not as though i ever had any, my dear.

  whereas, you can take edp to the bank...

  bb

    
    poor di.  n-s-b, no credibility.  sigh.
    

    
    oph, next she'll start "explaining" her mistakes, then the apostrophes
    will start appearing. it gets ugly in its late stages.

    
    you just know she's gone around the bend when she uses 
    those hard-to-measure/calculate abstractions like "humanity".
    sigh.
    

    
    	Battis used "its" correctly in .372!!
    

    
    	RE: .370
    
    	Would a roll or two of pennies be a good trade?
    

    > What about making things up, 
    
    You've done this
    
    > disagreeing with a correction, 
    
    You did that, too
    
    > compounding that, 
    
    and that
    
    > and then disagreeing with a pointer to the correct information
    > and magnifying it with an absurd satire of your opponent that 
    > turns out to be completely wrong?
    
    this you didn't do- instead you insisted I was harassing you and you
    threatened my job.
    
    >    Never ever trust Bill Licea-Kane.
    
    You talk about trust?!  Most of the time I can't be bothered to
    TALK to you.
    
    DougO

    
    Some dates:
    	Ruby Ridge		August 1992
    	McVeigh at Waco		Spring 1993
    	Seige ends at Waco	April 19, 1993
    	Brady Bill Signed	November 30, 1993
    	Brady Bill Effective	February 28, 1994
    	OKC Bombing		April 19, 1995
    	McVeigh Convicted	June 2, 1997
    
    								-mr. bill

    Just a gentle reminder people, mb2LoN....
    
    It's not worth it, ever!
    
    								-mr. bill

    
    hmmmm.  can we trust you, mr bill?
    

    trust in God. people make mistakes.

>    Regardless, their inaccuracy calls the author's credibility into
>    question.

   Credibility? Come on! It was a general converstation, not a scientific
   paper! The events were correct with erroneous dates. Big deal. The war of
   1812 being fought in 1795 doesn't change the fact that the war actually
   occured.

>    Make all of the points you want, but don't make things up if you want
>    to be taken seriously.

   The dates were not an invention, they were mistakes, and unimportant to the
   point the author was trying to make. 

   But there are those who will always shoot the messagener and ignore 
   the message.

Doug.

>Quickly, name the people who were convicted of crimes at Waco!

 Quickly, name the people who were convicted of crimes in the murder
 or Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ronald Goldman!

Doug.

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    there may be quite a few gun-obsessed, sexually inadequate,
    socially retarded dorks who read garbage like the "Turner
    Diaries" and get the same ideas McVeigh did.
      

    I thought it was pretty funny.

    
    what's so special about that?
    

    well, you're right I guess, I find a lot of things to be funny.

	That's pretty impolite of you.  I think you owe me an apology.

    no doubt. Seems that I owe everyone an apology and the debt seems
    endless.

 Sorry..

    
    just for the record, mark, mcveigh simply adored 
    the "Turner Diaries" and his inordinate love for guns
    was well-known amongst his "peers".
    

What if he really liked apple pie and Chevrolets? Are all _those_ 
people madmen as well?

    >what's so special about that?
    
     So much prejudice in such a small package.

    
    ever skimmed through the "Turner Diaries", daryll?
    believe me, it's not about apple pie and chevrolets.
    

nope, but that's not my point.

    You guys are all just puppets of the zog.

    
    .392
    
    prejudice?  blaah.  he is what he is.  a loser.
    

    He is not a loser because he likes guns.
    He is not a loser because he is "sexually inadequate" (tell me this
    "fact" doesn't tell us more about you than about him)
    He is not a loser because he read the Turner Diaries.
    
    He's a loser because he took his outrage over the attack of the
    government on a group of its citizens to the level of indiscriminate
    killing.
    

    .398
    
     What he said
    
    Some people like to read all kinds of 'bad things' that fit their agenda
    into bad people or events...

    
    he is a _dangerous_ loser as opposed to a benign loser.  
    
    what made him a _dangerous_ loser?
    

    I dunno. What makes tree spikers dangerous losers?

>    what made him a _dangerous_ loser?
    
Insanity. You are aware that he believes that the army planted a microchip in
his butt to keep track of him, no?

    that's one way to keep track of his movements, I guess.

 I'm surprised you had the guts to enter that one.

    
    i am aware that he could not stop bragging about his
    kill in the gulf war.  when he shot an iraqi's head off
    at a good distance.
    
    yes, it was war.  yes, these things happen in war.
    
    but to be gleeful about it is another thing entirely.
    

    .399
    
     /Some people like to read all kinds of 'bad things' that fit their
     /agenda into bad people or events...
    
     no, i just look for common denominators.  psssst!  
     it's _all_ about guns.  ruby ridge, waco, timmy mcveigh.
     
    

|   Insanity.
    
    Rubbish.  He is evil.  He is a convicted mass murderer.
    
|   You are aware that he believes that the army planted a microchip in his
|   butt to keep track of him, no?
    
    According to Linda Thompson.  She's not insane.  She's a liar.
    
    								-mr. bill

    RE .406
    
    
    Pssssst
    
    It IS all about how some people view the actions of the US government
    and how strongly they feel about their views

    .408
    
    no it isn't, not really.  that's only a facade.
    

>     no, i just look for common denominators.  psssst!  
>     it's _all_ about guns.  ruby ridge, waco, timmy mcveigh.

   Not quite. It's about authority, and the boundaries of same.

>  no, i just look for common denominators.

   ruby ridge, waco, timmy mcveigh

   Doug.

    .410
    
    get yours checked, mine's fine.
    

>    According to Linda Thompson.  She's not insane.  She's a liar.

Really?

"In Decker, he told some people the Army had implanted a microchip
in his buttocks so the government could spy on him."

Washington Post
Sunday, July 2, 1995; Page A01

If you'd like to read the whole story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/oklahoma/bg/mcveigh.htm

|>    According to Linda Thompson.  She's not insane.  She's a liar.
|
| Really?
    
    Really.  She's not insane.  She's a liar.
    
    
    "People who know Timothy McVeigh have notified us that he has told
     people for at least 2 years that he was implanted with an electronic
     microchip while a volunteer for an experimental program while on active
     duty with the United States Army."
    
    Linda Thompson, April 30, 1995
    
    								-mr. bill

Uhhh.

She lies, why does she lie?

Leave it to mr. bill to be more informed on conspiracies than the
conspirators.

You must read a lot of really whacko stuff, dude.

    
    mr bill, bs detector extraordinaire.
    

  the "Turner Diaries" ?

  Is this by Grisham ?

  bb

    
    it's all about how a group of american "revolutionaries"
    plot to blow up a federal building in order to start
    the "revolution".  oh, and it's racist, too.
    

| Leave it to mr. bill to be more informed on conspiracies than the
| conspirators.
|
| You must read a lot of really whacko stuff, dude.
    
    Yup.  I read a lot of really whacko stuff.
    
    								-mr. bill

    He's a rigorous proofreader, ya see.