Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    
     I THINK THAT HM ORIGINATED FROM THE STREETS OF LONDON, ENGLAND AND WE
    ARE THE TRUE HM KINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    THE private RATT
     
    
    
    

    Source of HM?  A shot of JD, a smoke filled room, a big amplifier,
    a couple of friends, a couple of guitars, a pair of mirrored
    sunglasses, and some distance between you and humanity!
    
    I guess heavy metal is like 80% hard rock, 5% punk and 15% attitude.
    I'll wait to see what my partners in crime add in before I make
    a real judgement!
    
    HITMAN

    
    
    Heavy Metal is when you get a surge of energy from listening 
    to Metallica's new album, coz its such an outstanding piece of 
    work.  Its a what gives you goose bumps when you listen to the 
    perfect playing of the great Randy Rhoads.  And its a hype that 
    no drug can ever give.
    
    Thats why no other music style comes close to it.

    
    re.1
    
    >> I THINK THAT HM ORIGINATED FROM THE STREETS OF LONDON, ENGLAND
    AND WE ARE THE TRUE HM KINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    THE private RATT
    

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    	That's a pretty narrowminded view dontchathink?  I agree that
    England was a major contributor but there was and still is a good
    strong American influence.  Take Hendrix..for example..correct me
    if I'm wrong but isn't he American.  What about bands that are the
    origional "rebel" rockers (for their day)  People like Chuck Berry
    and Elvis. I personally don't listen to either but I can not 
    deny their influence on music.  And as I said for their day they
    were pretty rebelious.  They censored Elvis like they're trying
    to censor some groups today.  IMO heavy metal took it's roots from
    several different places.  If you were to ask 10 of your favorite
    HM musicians what their influences are no two would be EXACTLY the
    same.
    
    just an opinion
    
    Brian
    

    
    re .1
    
    Ps.  And for Gods sake please try not to type in all caps.  It puts
    quite a strain on the eyes  8^)
    
    Bk
    

    Brian
    
         I was refering to the sourse(sp!) of HM not the best or the
    contributors of it sorry if I offended you / anyone
    
    The private RATT
    

    I thought Black Sabbath was a UK band??

    For more discussion on the roots of metal, you may want to look
    at note 86.
    
    gh

    
    
    For what it's worth , I would agree that Black Sabbath were probably
    a major contributing factor to the development of todays Heavy Metal.
    
    Paranoid and especially Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (although there were
    a couple of 'soft' tracks) were at one time , my favourite albums.
    
    I think that Motorhead took it a stage further , bringing it more
    from the basic 'hard rock' , into a form based primarily (but not
    exclusively) on speed and a generally 'heavier' sound . 
    
    Way back when , Motorhead would tour England , usually backing the
    popular punk bands of the time , and gaining a cult following probably
    due to their different style of dress ie , Hells Angels .
    
    When punk ran it's course , the bands either changed their style
    or split up . Motorhead didn't have to . They had a much bigger
    following now , had a couple of chart entries along the way (sorry,
    can't remember titles) and , in my mind anyway , lead the way for
    the better looking groups with flashier clothes and hair-styles
    to emerge later .
    
    Uriah Heep brought a slightly different angle and a slightly different
    following onto the scene . Unfortunately for them , Mick Box arrived.
    But what *he* brought , was the high pitched style of singing that
    is now very much copied (well , the stuff I've heard , anyway) .
    
    Now , I'm not saying any of the above were the only , or even the
    first , but they were popular , brought the major ingredients of
    Heavy Metal with them , and left it up to the next 'generation'
    to refine and mold them into what we have now .
                   
    
    John J
    
    p.s. are we friends again ?  :^)
    

    I'm not sure if metal found its origins in UK or the States. It has
    probably come as a natural progression from Black Sabbath, Hendrix,
    Zapper and Co, with latter influences from the Punk scene, where it
    probably picked up the speed from. 
    
    I really cannot see how Blues gets roped in there, but there again
    I guess most forms of music, in one way or another come from a
    blues source.
    
    					Gru�
    						Mark

    I'd tend to agree with your analysis.  I would also include bands such
    as Deep Purple in with this.  I believe they were very influential
    in the formation of hard rock/heavy metal.
    
    I think that much of the debate on whether some of the early groups,
    such as Deep Purple, J. Hendrix, and Cream were heavy metal is based on
    the fact that music has only recently become so heavily catagorized for
    force such a label. 20 years ago, there was just rock & roll, then it
    started branching out and everything has a very specific name now.
    There are a huge number of terms which we use for music now which had
    not been coined a few years back. 
    
    Perhaps some of these bands, by modern standards would fit into these
    catagories, however, I've seem enough discussion on the meaning of
    these terms to know that there is no standard meaning to them. It's
    very individual.            
    
    btw: I'm very happy to see our UK_MUSIC friends participating in the
    discussions here rather than everyone fighting.  Thank you all.
    
    gh 

    re .22
    
    The Blues comes in through Led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix.  I believe
    that much of todays metal was influenced by Jimi and Zep, and therfore
    has tie-ins with the blues.  As I see it, Metal is a second generation
    effect of the Blues.  Much like you are a second generation effect
    of your Grandfather.
    
    Steve O
    

    Another big contributor to the current metal scene, must be Alice
    cooper. 
    

    re:7
    
      Yes my opinion is that Black Sabbath was "I my opinion now"
    
    The Heaviest Hard Rock Group around. Sabbath Originated in 1969
    
    LONDON ENGLAND,
    
                     I love Sabbath, then Alice came in on a new Style
                                   Jim

    
    London ?????
    
    I thought that Ozzy Osbourne and Tony Iommi were both Brummies (ie,
    come from Birmingham).
    
    Confused and Dazed.....er_is_that_wrong_?

    
    	Nope, I thought ALL the band came from Birmingham.
    
    	Doug (Spurtle)

    I feel all of these bands that have been mentioned have contributed
    to what we now call Heavy Metal.   As for what was the first metal
    band,  I really cannot say.  I feel that Metal is more of a state
    of Mind than a form of music.   This state of mind was created by
    such bands as Sabbath, and Zepplin and what grew from there is the
    entire feeling of metal.  This is also why I find groups that claim
    to be metal really aren't.  Metal that is made to be consumed by
    the popular fad, really insults me.  I just doesn't have that same
    attitude/feeling of REAL metal.
    
    Bill (Who got a little off the topic...sorry)
      

    I really don't think anyone can truely pinpoint the source of heavy
    metal without first truely defining what heavy metal is.  And that
    my friends, is an IMPOSSIBLE task.  Is Metallica heavy metal? What
    about Bend Ovy (oops, Bon Jovi) or Poison.  Or Motorhead ?  What
    about Rush, and even ZZ top (yes, some sickoes 8^) even consider
    them to be heavy metal)
    
    Q: what is the source of heavy metal
    A: Yes (the afermative answer, not the art rock band)
    Q: what the hell do you mean by yes???
    A: You figure it out.                                
    
    Steve O

    The source of heavy metal, although being a bit uncertain, can only
    be traced back to a rather unknown band. This band was the first
    to record what is known today as heavy metal music. The band recorded
    two distinct, although out-of-print, albums--Vincebus Eruptus and
    Outside Inside, the former containing the heaviest version of
    Summertime blues recorded to date. This band combined the blues
    sound with pounding bass and guitar riffs, which until this time
    was unheard of. The art of innovation belongs to this band, the
    true pioneers of heavy metal---introducing...Blue Cheer.
                                                             TR....

    An old guit teacher at Berk told me he went to a Blue Cheer show years
    ago (Filmore West??).  Anyway, he said before the show everyone was
    marveling over the grey WALL of marshall stacks.  Stack and stacks of
    them he said--stacked 4 cabs high.  Well, he said they came out and
    were so loud that the hall emptied out immediately with people
    screaming and holding their hands over their ears! 

    Ahhhhhh, see the blood run from their ears .......
    
    
    
    	       THERE AIN'T NOTHIN' LIKE A MARSHALL !!!
    
    
    			   Scary
    	           (less tone, more moan ...)
                   
    

    
    
       Holy Sh*t! I can't believe anyone else remembers but me. Blue
    Cheer was the first real concert I ever went to. And you are right
    about the Marshalls. First time I ever saw any. I still believe
    I have both those albums around somewhere. I noticed that some of
    their material is now on CD. True fore fathers of metal NO DOUBT!!
                                                        mike