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    I read somewhere that Zakk is *just* like Randy.  Ozzy has to hold
    him back cos he just wants to get out there and play.  Sounds like
    he's got his head screwed on right to me.
                                             
    Ozzy played a gig over here recently - at H.M.P. Wormworth Scrubs.
                                             
    The only Ozz albums I've got is Tribute and The Ultimate Sin, which
    are both real good.        
                               
    Tony Iommi, IMO, is fizzled out.  He will *NEVER* recreate the power
    that Sabbath used to have. 
         
    Ozzys new support band is to be JAGGED EDGE - a real good British
    band, fronted by a 19 year old whiz-kid guitarist - (watch out Paul
    Gilbert, he's coming for ya !!! :-)  )                
                                
    Any help ??          
    -Tony

    Iommi was good in his day, but that's light years away from the
    present.  He should be playing Holiday Inn's IMO ...........
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    re: Tony D.
    
    If those are the only Ozzy albums ya got, you *HAVE* to get "Blizzard
    of Oz" and "Diary of a Madman".  Absolutely excellent!  RR was
    brilliant! 
    
    gh

     	Iommi may be more tricks than licks then.   Tricks to me as
    a stringsmith aren't that impressive.  Show me style with speed
    when fitting and you get my attention.  IMO, if you've heard one
    of his lead passages, you've heard 'em all.  Now if you like his
    style, you're in luck (like I like Lynch's) if not, you're like
    me, and throw on some Dokken !  Just an opinion, not fact carved
    in granite.
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    RE: .8  Yeah, I liked "Bark" too, but not as much as the first two...
    
    gh

                                                                       
                                                                       
    Whoaaaa..... Hey Cookster, I'm not questioning the talent of these 
    musicians, just the c*** stuff that they are putting out.          
                                                                       
    Iommi is still a good guitarist, but when I say "fizzled out" I    
    mean his new material is trash and he's run out of original ideas. 
                                                                       
    I bought "Eternal Idol" and played to to death, trying to get into 
    it.  I've heard the riffs A THOUSAND times before, and as someone  
    said, if you've heard one Iommi solo, you've heard 'em all.  I still 
    think its trash and its gathering dust in my record collection, and 
    classics like AC/DC's Back In Black are doing the job PROPERLY !!!!
                                                                       
    -Tony                                                                   

    I wouldn,t be counting on Iommi to much anymore because
    my sister's boy freind who id laid up from a motorcycle
    accident was home watching t.v., since he can't do anything
    else and seen Iommi on the ORAL ROBERTS show JEASUS came
    done and saved his soul quote un quote, we lost another one to
    that bullshit, anyone else hear about this?
    
    Tony
    

    Tony
    
        who saved who's soul, Tony Iommie was saved, if so
    ]
    
           f r o m       w h a t   ?
    
                         jim

    
    RE: -2
    
    Toni sold his soul torock n roll...doncha know anything???
    
    :^)

    RE:15 
    This what my sister's boyfreind said he was flicking threw the stations
    when he came across the ORAL ROBERTS show and he decided for kicks
    he'd watch it, then Iommi came walking out in front of the camera
    and ORAL ROBERTS announced that he was from a band called Black
    Sabbath, he said at first Tony was talking about when he was into
    drugs and alcohol and praising the DEVEL and all that sh-t, and
    then he went on to say " THEN JEASUS CAME DOWN AND SAVED ME FROM
    ALL THAT "  this is what he told it kinda blew my mind, so i decided
    to share this with eveyone else and try to find out if anyone else
    heard the same thing, maybe he needs OZZY to put him back on the
    right path.
    
    TONY
    

    RE:!(
    RE:19
    I agree I'm just sharing some info.
    
    Tony
    

    
           I also don't care what he believes in. I just wish that he
    would live on his own morales. It should be the Tony Iommi Band
    not Black Sabbath. He is the only member left. Seventh Star is a
    fine sort of blues and metal album. He's a fine guitarist. Just
    ask Dio. He admitted that he was better than V.Campbell. 
    
           Ozzy is doing on his own. Let's see Tony do it on his own.
    Ozzy has Geezer back on board he has more right to use B.S than
    Iommi does. 
    
            I'm really looking forward to the new Ozzy album with Geezer
    and Zak Wylde. Ozzy is always doing something different....
    
                                              Rich

    
    Iommi better than Campbell....Bah!

    RE:22
    
        I THINK HE IS,
    I Read heard that too,THat was a "quote" from Ronnie James......
                 "he played W/Both of them"
    although Iommie Did "quote" DIO HAD A VOICE LIKE BARRY MANILOW"
    which is a Joke,DIO"S GREAT 
    
                                      But still
    
                                  IOMMIE   RULZ!!!!
    a_voice_from_a_drummer_who_idolizes_his_favorite_guitarist!
                                            JIM..TAMA

    
    
    
    
    		Randy Castillo has said that the new Ozzy record
    	is due out in September...be on the lookout!
    
    
    	/tig!
    

    
        WhoTF's Randy Castillo?
    
                                                       GTI
    

    
    RE:-1 Randy Castillo is the Ozz's drummer
    
    				M
    				 B
    

    Well I bought the new album and I think its going to grow
    
    strong. The Albums "No rest for the wicked"
    
    Zakk Wyld, the new 21 yr old sensation is really hot! on this 
    
    1988-1989 tour will Headsline Ozzy and Anthrax
    
    Tour information up to date...
    
    10/29....Omaha, NB
    10/30....Bloomington,IN
    10/31....Chicago,IL
    11/2.....Milwaukee,Wi
    11/3.....Indianapolis,In
    11/5.....Detroit,Mi
    11/6.....Cincinnati,Oh
    11/8.....Cleveland,Oh
    11/19....Pittsburgh
    
    
                                 Just for Now
                                    Jim..Tama

    you got it Pete,,Im still waiting on Info for New England area
    
    I have many,many bands with const. Info in front of me.
    
    I am "when I get the time" will have a Note for all Heavy Metal
    
    Tours. Throughout the U.S.
    
                                            Jim

    I made a mistake ...
       on the Album the bassist' is Bob DAILY..Ozzy's old bass player
    
    from the [BARK_AT_THE_MOON] album  BUTTTT!  Gezzer is now in the
    band and will tour..{should be a good show}
                                  jim..tama

    ya you are right Daizley,I saw him on the last tour,
    
    I saw Ozzy every tour since Blizzard of Oz, THe Ultimate Sin
    
    tour I was saddly to say Disapointed.
    
                But this will be good..When I get a tour info for
    Worchester/Providence or any close by Stadium we should A L L 
    
    plan on going the same night>
    
                            J....T

    
    re.1 Pete just in case you didn't know it's Geezer Butler and not
    Terry...  Snap out of it.  8^)
    
    Bk
    
    ps But you did redeem yourself with the correction "Daizley" 8^)
    

    re.6
    
    No Geezer's real name is Terrence Butler
    
    Ozzy's......John Osbourne
    Tony Iomie..Frank Iomie
    Mine...I'M History...going home see ya

    
    re.7 Oh so ya wanna play rough eh..??  Well in note .3 you said
    Ozzys' bassist was Bob Daizley (sp?)..well correct me if I'm wrong
    (which I doubt.. 8^)) but I think the bassists name is Phil Soussan..
    the drummer was Randy Castilo (sp?) and on the Keys was Bob D.
    
    So there 8^P   (^8
    
    Bk
    

   REP:8
    
      BOB DAIZLY IS PLAYING BASS ON THE ALBUM, PHIl, was on the 
    
    Ultimate Sin.
                  You are right about Randy C.
    
    
    
                       War_HUMMMMMMMMMMMM_!---never settles anything
                                so rock on
    
                                       JIM

    
    Are you sure???  8^)  For my own sanity howz about a line up of
    the players on the Bark album..the ultimate album and the New one
    (which I MUST get..TONIGHT!!)
    
    I could've sworn that B Daizley was on keys for the bark and the
    ultimate...Oh well we shall see...
    
    Bk
    _who is going to check on this at lunch..before I loose mine 8^)
    

    Line up
    Bark at the Moon<exellent album,got no credit though
    ----------------
    Ozzy..Vocals
    Jake E. Lee Rythem/Lead
    Bob Daizly..Bass
    Carmine Appice..Drums/percusion
    Don ?...........Keyboards
    
    Ultimate Sin
    ------------
    Ozzy
    Jake E. Lee   Lead/Ryth.
    Phil Souisan (sp?) BASS
    RANDY C>         DRUMS
    Don ?            Keyboard
    
    Tribute 
    Ozzy
    Randy Rhoads
    Rudy Salzio Bass
    Tommy Aldredge   DRUMS    
                                          to the best of my Knowledge
    
                                Jim......NEW ALBUM  "G R E A T"
                      
    

    
    Ahhh the memory has come flooding back...you are right  my humble
    apologiez.
    
    Bk
    _who has some Ozzwork to do.
    
    8^)  8^)  8^)  8^)
    
    ps I think it was Don Airey (or something like that)
    

    
    Also Didn't Tommy Aldridge play on BATM..?? 
    
     Bk
    

    
    I know there is an official Ozzy note, but i can't be bothered to
    wade through all the sh*t to find it.
    
    
    I just bought the tape of Ozzys "Bark at The Moon", and I was listening
    to it in the car, on the way back from town.  Its pretty good, and
    a must for any Ozzy fan.

    
    Just bought the new album"No rest for the wicked"...EXCELLENT!!
     For a person with only 3 years of playing Zakk is pretty good.
    
    BK
    
    Now Jimmy...he got busted..with his pants down....
    
    

    "WHAT?"
    
    
    RE:13 OR 14
    
     Ya Tommy played on BATM "tour" I deeply appoligiz,
    
    Carmine A. was on the album.

    
         These are the correct musicians on each album....
    
                        Blizzard and Diary 
    
                    Vocals-Ozzy
                    Guitar-Randy Rhoads
                    Bass-Bob Daisley
                    Drums-   ?
    
                        Speak of the Devil (live)
                                      
                    Vocals-Ozzy
                    Guitar-Brad Gillis
                    Bass-Rudy Sarzo
                    Drums-Tommy Aldridge
                                   
                        Bark At The Moon
                                        
                    Vocals-Ozzy
                    Guitar-Jake E Lee
                    Bass-Bob Daisley
                    Keys-Don Airey
                    Drums-Tommy Aldridge
                                        
                         Ultimate Sin
     
                    Vocals-Ozzy
                    Guitar-Jake E Lee
                    Bass-Phil Soussan
                    Drums-Randy Castillo
    
                         No Rest for the Wicked
    
                    Vocals-Ozzy
                    Guitar-Zak Wyldd
                    Bass-Bob Daisley
                    Drums-Randy Castillo
                                               
    
           *)Bob Daisley and the ? drummer originally played in the
    latter version of Uriah Heep. Bob Daisley played also in Rainbow
    on the Long Live R & R album and tour. He is a good friend of Ozzys
    and helps him out with writing. He is more or less a session musician
    and also recorded and toured with Gary Moore.
    
           *)Don Airey is just like Bob. He was originally in Collesium
    II with Gary Moore a progressive band. He was on Rainbows Down from
    Earth Album which included Graham Bonnet as well as Difficult to
    Cure. He also played with Gary Moore and went back and forth from
    Ozzy and Gary. I don't know what he's doing now.
    
           *)Carmen Appice was only in the band for a short time. He
    joined ozzy for the B.A.T.M. tour and then fought with the OZZ and
    was kicked out. He is starting some new band after King Kobra broke
    up. Carmen started off in the Vanilla Fudge and played with numerous
    guitarists including Rick Derringer and Ted Nugent.
           
               Ozzy's present line up for tour is---
    
                     Vocals-Ozzy
                     Guitar-Zak Wyldd
                     Bass-Terry Geezer Butler
                     Drums-Randy Castillo
                     Keys-Unknown
    
    
               I must say thet Ozzy's latest is fantastic....
    
                                             Rich

    RE:17
    
    
    YES Rich you are RIGHT 8^)
    
    
                            I got the new one I think its going to go
                         Pretty far,It seems to me Ozzy's new albums
                         kepp getting better & better....
    
                                            Jim

    The ? dummer on Blizzard and Diary was Lee Kerslake, FYI

    
    -1, Thanks Buck I couldn't remember Lee's name...
    
    -2, I agree Jim. It seems Ozzy just keeps getting better. The guy
    is truely amazing. 
    
                               Rich

	I was flipping through the channels on TV last night and
	imagine my surprise at seeing none other than Ozzwald himself
	being interviewed on MTV. He was the guest on their mouth to
	mouth show. They showed clips from a number of his vids including
	one to be released later this week. The interview was very
	entertaining...

	Highlights included:

	Bashing Geraldo and the PMRC... He complained of not having adequate
	response time to Geraldo's questions and stated he felt that he was
	a particularly easy target for the PMRC.

	Him explicitly stating that 'Suicide Solution' was about the dangers
	of Alcohol. That's the first time I've heard him say so...

	Discussion of Randy Rhoads' death and a comparison of Zakk to Randy:
	"Zakk plays Randy's stuff better than anyone I've had to date"


	Anthrax was also on the show but they didn't really talk to them for
	very long. 

    
    
    My Opinion on this new Album "No rest for the Wicked" is the best
    
    work Ozzy has done in a looooooong time..Tonight is the show and
    
    I was suppose to go..8^( I have a X-Mass party tonight,and I have
    
    to go!!  But is there any info on if they are playing in Providence
    
    I have to see em'  Ol' Geezer back with Ozzy,,"YESSSSSS" I LUV IT!
    
    jim..tama

    
    	I went to his show in Worc.. it was the best I've seen in a
    long time...from him.   He had so much energy as compared to other
    shows I've seen him in.  Gez was awesome...  Zakk is another story...
    IMO... He did Randy Justice unlike Jake E Lee who had too much of
    an ego...(IMO).  Zakk did most of Randy fills to the note..with
    little varience.. his sole was good although after the first couple
    of times I knew his git had a good sustain and he didnt need to
    keep showing that point for another 5 minutes.. but as a whole he
    is good and if he stays with Ozzy we can see a lot more of the good
    stuff comming from Ozzy.  Hopefully Gez and Randy C will stick around..
    
    BK
    

    I was at the show also- but i expected some better stuff from him
    i guess. Sure it was the second time in the buildings history to
    allow some pyro but he did not use it effectively like VH did in
    OCT. I wish he could of sang some of the choruses to the songs instead
    of letting the audience try and sing ALL the songs. He did play
    a lot of his so called "hits". Since I have the pleasure of setting
    up and tearing down the stage I learned some things about him. He
    may be a reformed alcky but he sure was on something that nite.
    He does not know the words to all the songs or should I say any
    since the songs were written on the floor of the stage. He was very
    sick that nite with the doctor backstage looking at him a few times
    thus the longer solos for the others. But he does know how to pick
    the opening act- Anthrax was awesome!!!!
    
    P.s.   - How many times did he say the word " CrAzY "??????
    

    
    RE.28
    
     > He did Randy Justice unlike Jake E Lee who had to much of an
    ego.
    
       I thought each musician was supposed to have his own style...also
      hes not there to pay homage to RR(rip) he's supposed to do his
      own thing IMO.It shows a lack of creativity that he did everything
      note for note Randy never did, so thats not justice.
    
    					M
    					 B

    
    
     Re.Pete
    
     I didn't say that it wasn't hard I'm talking about originality
    not the fact that he can play note for note.
    
    					M
    					 B

    
    .30
    
    	He did them as close as possible cause the tunes..for Zakk are cover
    tunes..and they became hits on their own.  The tunes dont need to
    be re-written cause a git player thinks that he can do a better job.  Jake
    is an excellent git player but I didnt like the way he did Randys stuff..
    it was almost as if he was saying... I'm better see how much better
    I can play them.           
    
    BK
    

    
    I thought out of the 3 `Randy' replacements (Gillis, Lee, and some
    english dude), Zakk played the stuff the best.  Also, I liked how he
    played real fast but maintained a real melodic sense to his lines as
    opposed to say, Impellitteri who just does scale sounding stuff.  I
    really liked Zakk's playing and sound. 

    Buck

    
     RE.34
    
       Now I'm not trying to start a fight but one of the things you
    said about Jake was lets see how much better we can make the song,does
    this cover Randies versions of old sabbath songs.
    
    					M
    					 B

    
    Most Bands who do a cover song Add there owne little Kicks in,,
    
    For example.."Born to be Wild" Back in early 70's sure it was rock,
    
    But now I wouldn't Play exactly as they did,. Its also The Musicians
    
    Style in playing! I personally Like Zakk's Style, In many ways he
    
    reminds me of Randy,,Young,Ambitious,Fast,Got style of his own!
    
    jim..tama
    _who_Believes_do_a_cover_song_The_best_ya_can_,_give_it_almost_like_Your
                                                    owne_Version!

    
    	I think Jake changed the songs.. cause he was bored with them..or
    they werent good enough for him.  Zakk knows that the songs are
    famous on their own and dont need to be re-written.  There is nothing
    wrong with throwing in your own little fills...but I feel that Jake
    threw in too many.... He's excellent at what he does.. and I cant
    wait for his band to put out an album... but I think Zakk is meant
    for Ozzy...  I can see a lot of Randy in Zakk.... young.. energetic..
    no ego... it should be great.
    
    BK
    

    
    	I borrowed Bill Upham's new copy of "No Rest for the Wicked"
    and I'm pretty impressed!
    	There are some phenomenal cuts on the album 
    	(Miracle Man, Crazy Babies, Tattooed Dancer)
    and one or two weak cuts, like Devil's Daughter (IMO).
    
    Ozzy's voice is unbelievable!!! He may su*k live, but on this
    album his voice sounds better than ever.
    
    I've heard some people give Zakk Wylde some flak in here. 
    WHY?!
    He's an excellent guitarist!
    
    Does he really only have 3 years experience?
    Who'd he take lessons from?
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    	Speaking of Ozzy (and thanks for reminding me Mike)

    	Chris (the SO) mentioned to me that there is an extra
    	track on "No Rest..."  
    	
    	It's after Demon Alcohol on Side Two and it's not listed
    	in the lyrics (inside the jacket) OR on the actual tape
    	OR on the case itself!
    
    	Good tune though.....guess that's what I miss for just
    	listening over and over and never really know what it 
    	was I was hearing!!
    	
    	Tigg~~~

    It's on the reverse of the Crazy Babies cassingle, too, if it's
    worth the 2 dollars to you, then get it.
    
    Somehow I feel like a teeniebopper buying cassingles.
    How about you Shawn?

                                                        
    
    Dilly_vanilli

    
    	I heard `No Rest. . .' when I was down last week, and I was
    also  impressed with it.  Soon as I have some extra $$, I'll be
    getting it.
    
    METALord"

    Well, I  finally  went  and  bought  `No Rest For the Wicked' last
    Saturday, and  this  album has grown on me. . .BIG TIME !  I don't
    believe it's left my Walkman more than fifteen minutes this week !
    
    Well  worth  the money, and as someone else said. . .Ozzy seems to
    be  getting  better  with age. . . :^)  Much better than `Ultimate
    Sin' IMHO.  
    
    METALord"
    

    
    	I hear ya MetaLord... the album is immense!
    
    His voice is phenomenal.
    
    /Motorbreath...ahhh tattooed dancer...

    
    
    What is the name of the tune that Ozzy sings with Lita Ford ?????
    
    
    
       F---ing       A W S O M E 

              
    
    
    sax
    

    
    
    	RE:  The duet of Ozzy and Lita
    
    
    	It's called "If I Close My Eyes Forever"  ...and there's 
    	something about it that makes it haunting, and almost 
    	eerie.  (at least for me)
    
    	LOVE IT!
    
    	Tigga~

    
    	I think that song BITES!!!
    
    The only decent thing about the song is Ozzy's voice.
    
    /Motorbreath... as Dilly used to say "WAY LAME"

    
    
    I agree.
    
    With Motorbreath, that is..
    
    just imo..
    
    I think of it as a step down for Ozzy, although he does sound good
    in it..
    
    F.

    Oh I don't know.  I thought it was a pretty good ballady type tune.
    I like it, but don't like to hear it every 15 min.
    
    Gh

    
        Who did the axe work on "Diary of a Madman"?
    
        I was listenin' to "I Don't Know" and was quite impressed
        (not just the solo, but the whole song overall).
    
        Was it Randy, or Jake(sp?)?
    
                                                       GTI
    

    randy played on diary......
    
    
    butchaka

    
    
    	"Breaking All The Rules" will be the next video off Ozzy's
    	album "No Rest For The Wicked"...The video is shot live 
    	in England (London, I believe) and will include Ozzy's 
    	three year old son, Jack, aboard his Dad's shoulders....
    
    	Tigga~~`

>>    Any song that begins with the word Baby is suspect to turkeyism;
>>    but I like the tune. Is it about suicide? Ozzy telling the kiddies
>>    to self-snuff? Sure is, I think. 
    
    	Are you talking about "Breaking all the Rules"????  If so, it
    	doesn't start off with Baby ...
    
Tigga~~

>>    Any song that begins with the word Baby is suspect to turkeyism;
>>    but I like the tune. Is it about suicide? Ozzy telling the kiddies
>>    to self-snuff? Sure is, I think. 
>    
>    	Are you talking about "Breaking all the Rules"????  If so, it
>    	doesn't start off with Baby ...

I believe he is talking about "Close My Eyes Forever"....

cat

    Somebody in another note said that OZZY was drunk at the concert.
    
    I remember reading somewhere that OZZY gave up Booze.  It was an
    interview with him (sh!t I wished I remembered what Mag.).  He said
    it had to do with his family life.
    
    The Joker

    
    Ozzy gave up hard booze but still enjoys the odd pint (don't we all?
    ;^) ).

    I listened to Ozzy off the record last night (The Fourth) while
    coming back from the Fireworks in Bean Town.  He said he's off of
    booze all together, he's taking vitamens and working out back stage.
    He has gotten on this health kick thing.  It was cool hearing him
    like this.
    
    The  Joker

    Right on!
    
    Jim

    
    Copied without permission from today's edition of The Sun newspaper.
    
    
    'DEATH THREAT' OZZY SENT TO BOOZE CLINIC
    
    Wild rocker Ozzy Osbourne was told to live in a drying out booze
    clinic yesterday when he apeared in court accused of threatening
    to kill his wife Sharon.
    
    Ozzy, 40, was ordered NOT to return home and NOT to contact 37-year-old
    Sharon.
    
    He was allowed bail only on the condition that he stays at the newly
    opened Huntercombe Manor rehabiitation centre near Taplow, Bucks.
    
    Ozzy, looking tired and shaken, was driven straight there in a police
    van after the hearing at Beaconsfield Magistrates' Court.
    
    The millionaire, former leader of the heavy metal group Black Sabbath
    will pay 3000 pounds for a minimum 6 week stay at the clinic.
    
    Ozzy, dressed in black, shook in the dock and looked dazed as the
    charge was put to him that he threatened to kill Sharon "intending
    her to fear that the threat would be carried out".
    
    The couple had been celebrating their daughter Aimee's sixth birthday
    at a restaurant last Saturday.
    
    Ozzy - charged under his full name John Michael Osbourne - was arrested
    later that night at their home, Beel House in Little Chalfont, Bucks.
    
    Mr Roger Whittaker, prosecuting, said stringent bail conditions
    were sought because it was feared Osbourne might otherwise commit
    further offences.
    
    Mr Chris Fairweather, defending, said the star had just returned
    from "an arduous, lengthy and expensive" world tour which has saken
    a personal toll on him.  He added Ozzy had booked himself into
    Huntercombe Manor to help him recover from a drinking problem.
    
    Magistrate Keith Hillyer agreed Osbourne WOULD be allowed to keep
    contact with his children, Aimee, Kelly, aged four, and Jack, three,
    through their nanny.
    
    He remanded the case to September 25.
    
                                

    
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       Ozzy was arrested for trying to kill his wife.  I guess he
    was bombed and he went nuts.  She passed out and then later he came
    to his senses.  When he was arrainged, he asked them if he let him
    go, he would go straight to the Re-hab clinic and check in until
    the court date.  A restraining order was placed on him to not go
    near his wife.  If he wanted to see the kids, someone would have
    to be present at all times.....
    
    
    Boz
    
    
    released from MTV news tonight at 10:30 pm.
    
    
    

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	 Unless something else happened between now and when I read the
	 Ozzy story, I believe he was arrested for THREATENING to
	 kill his wife....like saying "I'm going to kill you, you
	 b!tch!"  But the story I read didn't say he actually
	 ATTEMPTED to kill her....

	 But, I didn't read the paper today...perhaps after he
	 threatened her he actually TRIED to?  He was already under a
	 restraining order to leave her alone

	 kath

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     I read he beat her and she called the cops.... He was trashed
    and did say he was going to the Drunk School....
    
                     Rude 

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ROSBIF::PHILIPPA "Captain CAVEMAN!!!"                14 lines   8-SEP-1989 04:32
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    Now why didn't you shove this in the Ozzy topics?  This is the third
    one started up for him!  Sheesh!  If you bother to look in the original
    note you'll see that I've already told this story....he THREATENED
    to kill his wife whilst he was at a restaurant, celebrating his
    daughter's birthday.  He now has to spend six weeks in an alcoholics
    clinic.  The case has been remanded until later this year.  He is
    NOT allowed to go home, see his wife or his kids (_even_, and I
    want to make this absolutely clear, _even_ if accompanied) but may 
    speak to them via their Nanny.
    
    ;^)
    
    Flip

    That's exactly what I read in the paper, Flip. Good show!
    
    Oh no wait... I heard that him and Erik Estrada tied her up to a
    bed, and made her take illicit drugs, and threatened her with a
    gun, no, wait..
    
    /Motorbreath...

  
      ;^)
    
    

    re: .48
    
    I'm sure if I had to hang with Erik Estrada I'd want to kill someone
    too...

    Flip... where do you get for SCOOP INFO???  From Mr. Rogers....
    I heard it on MTV and WAAF-107 and they were the exact way I wrote
    it....
    
    
    
    Boz

    
    re Boz
    
    I get it out of the newspapers that noone wants to admit to buying!!!
    
    Like the Sport, Sun and Nudes of the World!!!
    
    ;^)
    
    ...but you didn't hear that from me!!!
    
    Flip
        

	What do Ozzy now ?
	My latest information is MOSCOW concert .
	His band line up is

		Ozzy          -Vo
		Zackk Wild    -G
		Geezer Batler -B
		Landy Castilo -D
		John Sincrare -K

	

    re.42
    
          Isn't the drummers name Randy Castillo? I think Zack Wilde
         is an awesome guitarist, the thing is there is no substitute
         for Randy Rhodes..
    
                   Doug..
     

    Well!!  Seems there's mrital problems with the Oz.  He was picked
    up for threatening his wife.  I believe he's out on bail, can't
    remember for sure and I don't have the paper anymore.
    
    Chris D.

    
    I *really* like Zakk's playing.
    
    IMO He blows away just about every new guitar player around today.
    
    Best guitarist Ozzy's had since Rhoads.
                                           
    -Tony

    
    
    RE:-1 Tony
    
                  I Agree He is great,
    
    
    Tama

    
    	...and cute, too.  (8
    
    	tigga!~~~

    
    	Re A few back
    
    	I wouldn't necessarily say he was the best... Jake E Lee is
    an AWESOME guitar god..but comparing Jake's style to Zakk's is like
    comparing VW's to Toyota's....two totally seperate things (although
    CAMARO rules!! (^8)...
    
    	Zakk and his style are great... Jake and his style are great...
    
    	Jake was good with Ozzy... Now it's Zakks turn... am I rambling?
      
    Ya got to be careful with blanket statements...some people just
    love to tear them... (blanket statements) apart...but not me..we
    all know I'm totally calm...no bad temper what so ever...(^8
    
    BK
    

    
    	 re -1
    
    	I should have known it would be TTT ..... 
    
    	*** The previous note is directed to Tony D.... of all people..
    (^8
    
    BK
    

                
    Hahahahaha !!
                
    When Jake was with Ozzy he was too much of a speed demon whereas
    Ozzys new album seems to get back to basics - not spouting tons of
    clich� fills or full of 200mph runs.
                                        
    I got the greatest respect for jake E Lee as a musician, but he's
    a bit to much flash for my liking. Having said that, he goes back to 
    basic on the new Badlands album and I'm too keen on that !! 
                                                                
    "You can please some of the people all of the time..."  etc...

    
    	OH COME ON...!.!.!!.
    
    	You think Killer of Giants is speedy.... So tired is
    speedy???..Waiting for Darkness.... Shot in the Dark...???
    
    	It was a diff style that what Jake does on Badlands..but if
    you've read interviews w/Jake..for example Git for the prac Music
    has a great interview w/Jake...you'll see that Jake would have done
    a badlands style on Ozzy's albums..but the Ozz wouldnt have it...
    even Zakk says Ozz severly limits what he (Zakk) wants to try...
    even Sharon O get's invloved...telling Zakk to write more stuff
    along the Bloodbath in paradise side.. (musically speaking)
    
    	Jake and Zakk are Both great.... Jake is more Classically
    influenced wheras Zakk is more C&W (YES HE ADMITS IT HIMSELF!!!)
    
    	Ya cant say one is better than the other...just diff.  I've
    never heard Jake play country based riffs..and Zakk has yet to do
    a classically influenced riff (although he admits he wants to try)
    
    	So you see Tony....ya cant say one is better...they both are
    the gnadz...
    
    BK
    

    
    I didn't mean to say "Zakk is better than Jake", is just prefer
    Zakk. I do like jake playing, I just prefer the new album to
    "Ultimate.." or "Bark..".
                             
    Yeah, I know that Zakk is influenced by C&W. I think its great that
    he's willing to branch into different areas or let other styles
    influence his style.     
                             
    -Tony                    

    
    	Oh ok.... I agree too... I think Ozzy was too restricting for
    Jake but he loosened up a bit with Zakk... The newer album is MUCH
    better than his last efforts...Zakk and Oz click better...not that
    Zakk is a better musician....they just get along better...and Oz
    is a little looser...(sp?) 
    
    	I think that out of all the Different giutar players that Oz
    has had Zakk does Randy's songs the best.  He plays the solos note
    for note because (This is what I've always said....you can even
    look it up in old notes too (^8)..,"They're great the way they
    are..they are popular because of how they're written..why change
    it??"  Zakk said that in an interview...or something real close
    to that.
                              
    BK
    

    
    Ozzy's wife has dropped all charges against him after a hearing
    on September 25.
    
          
    However, Police are examining evidence to see if they can proceed
    with the case.
    
    Bail conditions have been changed to allow Sharon and the three
    kids to visit Ozzy at the rehabilitation centre.
    
    Flip

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CHEFS::DALLISON "Cocked and Loaded"                  13 lines  10-OCT-1989 11:32
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    Re: videos
    
    In a recent interview Ozzy sez :-
                                                   
    "I had a video released over in England called 'Crazy Babies' and
    it got banned. They said it was bordering on child pornography.
    But you look at that f!@�$%* Madonna video ('Like a Prayer'). If
    I'd released a video like that I'd be hiding with that f!@�$%* 
    Rushdi guy! I was gonna get a T-shirt made up saying 'If your day
    is totally f!@�$* up, blame Ozzy Osbourne".                   
                                                       
    Agagagaga !! Gotta love the guy 8^)            
    

    That's really interesting.  I think he's right!  The critics are
    definately harder on him (and his genre in general) then on the top pop
    acts.  
    
    gh

    Ref .53
    Hi,
    This morning while I was leaving for the office I've heard something on
    the TV (BBC 1) about a trial against Ozzy Osbourne because of
    attempting to kill his wife. It was short and I had just the time to
    see Ozzy's picture on the TV screen. It seems that the trial was to
    start today. Has anyone more precise news ? I have read before in Metal
    Hammer that his wife was also his manager (what a life!!).
    Best regards,
    Sorin

    
    	Well, I just finished listening to the "No Rest ..." CD
    	(thanks to Rae!!) and it's not too bad.
    
    	The best tracks are:
    
    		"Miracle Man" [got busted!!  Heh heh!!]
    		"Demon Alcohol"
    
    							GTI
    

    
    I like Crazy Babies..
    
    Zakk waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiils.

    
    
    	Devil's Daughter is cool, too.  Actually I think the entire
    	album is fantastic!!
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    Did you know that ZW used nothing bus a Boss Super-Overdrive stomp
    box and a Dunlop Wah Wah on the album ?

    
    	RE: Tony
    
    		Yeah, Zak DOES wail ... I forgot to mention that.
    		He's got some great stuff.
    
    		I'm gonna give it a 3rd listen after I'm done lis-
    		tening to Saraya.
    
    							GTI
    

    Yah I like that too, I used to make fun of it cuz it reminds me of Ozzy
    does rap.  But, then it grew on me.  I still laugh at it, but I like it
    
     - walk that walk - talk that talk -  - Kim

Kick a$$ album!!!  

One of his best...

Blows The Ultimate Sin Away!!!



anybody hear more on his trial...

or maybe when he's coming out with his next album?

    
    THREATENING TO KILL SHARON:
    
    The court has decided to drop the case against Ozzy, after the police
    withdrew the charge (because Sharon did not fully support it).
    
    CAUSING BODILY HARM
    
    Ozzy still faces this charge and he still has been ordered by the
    court to remain at the alcoholism clinic.
    
    Flip

    
    Ozzy will be retiring from liver performance permanently after the
    completion of his next world tour - mooted to take place at the end of
    next year or the beginning of 1991.
    
    "I've had some fantastic rewards and got some great memories from my
    years in rock n' roll.  But I'm 40 years old now and honestly can't see
    myself up there on stage doing it any more!"
    
    "To tell you the truth I've had enough!"
    
    Copied form Kerrang! without permission

    re: .63
    
    > Ozzy will be retiring from liver performance...
    				 -----
    
    The drink really has taken it's toll then...
    
    Paul
    ----

    retiring from LIVER performance?!?!  LIVER YUCH I HATE LIVER!!!!

    
    You drink thatmuch and tell me your liver still works AOK!!!!
    
    OK, so I messed up on the spelling!
    
    Flip

I'm listening to a new release from Ozzy, they played on the radio last night.
It's a mini-lp (6 titles), recorded in november 89 in Brixton (sp) UK with 
Zakk, Butler and Randy Castillo.

The sound is pretty good. The tunes on Side A are :

	- Miracle Man
	- ? in Paradise
	- Shot in The dark
	
Side B contains :

	- Tattooed dancers
	- Sweet ?
	- War Pigs

As I don't know "No Rest for The Wiked", my knowledge of the titles is 
aproximative, sorry. 

Didier

    ? in Paradise  = Bloodbath In Paradise (maybe ...) No Rest ...
    Sweet ? = Sweet Leaf (possibly ...) Old Sabbath
                                                                  
    
    
    				Scary

    Anyone remember the old "Live EP" with Randy Rhodes?  I have it at
    home, but remember it being pretty hot.  I haven't listened to it in a
    long time, guess it's time to dig it out.
    
    Greg

    re: .124
    
    No, the .123 Ozzy ep is not a bootleg, it was issued by JET records as
    an import EP/limited picture edition EP.  It came out in two versions
    respectively.  I have the picture EP, a friend has the  regular EP.  It
    has three songs on it, but my fav. is the 2nd tune, which never made it
    to any Ozzy album.

                Yep, I remember that thing.  They used to have it
                sitting out front  at  Midland  Records  all  the
                time.  Never bought  the  thing  as I don't own a
                turntable.  What was the  bonus  tune,  Buck?   I
                recall hearing it, but really don't remember what
                it was...
                
                

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that EP! Its got a great version of "Mr. 
Crowley" and also "Suicide Solution" (which would be even greater, except 
they cut it off just as Randy is going into his solo! 8^( ).

Hey, mine is even autographed (by Ozzy, not Randy!).....

alan

    	I think the song that never made it to the studio was "You said
    it all"
    
    				CB

    To Whome it may concern,
                           If you want to find out everything about
    Ozzy,Look in the note music#1152.14 I believe.It's pretty intresting,I
    was the one who put it in.Some one asked a bunch of questions about
    him,so,I answered them.
                            
                            From a true Ozzy fan.
    

    OZZY Sux!

    C'mon Buck ! Ozzy's cool .... and he knows how to pick a good guitar
    player !			8^)
    
    
    
    				Scary

    Yo dude (.130) why don't you post your Ozzy stuff here?
    
    re. Scary
    
    	I dunno Scary, that Ozzy, he's no Bill Buckley.
    
    
    hope this helped.
    
    
    the devil dog
    

    ego check

    Yeah, a lot of kids think "No Rest ..." was his first work ....
    
    
    				Scary

                   
    Ozzy is damn good, it just take a bit of musical maturity to 
    appreciate him. 
    
    8^)

    Touche' !!!
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Honestly, I think I'm beginning to appreciate Zakk's guitar work.
    This guy's really got talent. Let's hope Ozzy keeps him for his
    next album.
    
    Zakk's-Axe-Is-Fantaz...
    
    et_Singapore
    

    From what I've heard the will be no more Ozzy albums !  We'll see,
    maybe he'll tour with the Stones on their NEXT tour ...
    
    
    
    				Scary

    Oh, that's sad to hear.  I wonder what Zakk will do after Ozzy.
    Hmmm...maybe working on DLR's next project isn't a bad idea....
    
    Oh, well.....
    
    et_Singapore

    No more Ozzy?
    
    Where'd ya hear that, in the Cardinal's report?
    
    Ozzy was on WBCN's big mattress the past Friday am, and he said they
    are due to release a 6 song live ep titled "Just Say Ozzy", and 
    are already in preproduction for the next Ozzy album, which Ozzy says
    is "killer, F***ing unbelievable"..so...

My cats named Ozzy, and is among the missing...

:(

    Well, if Sinbad has some furry bowel movements ...
    
    
    	.... call of the search .....
    
    
    				Scary

    I thought I heard somewhere that Ozzy wasn't going to do anymore
    studio albums ..... so (?) .....
    
    So, what's the word on Dokken these days ?  Are they really breaking
    up ?  Agagagaga .... I need sleep ...
    
    
    				Scary

>    Ozzy was on WBCN's big mattress the past Friday am, and he said they
>    are due to release a 6 song live ep titled "Just Say Ozzy"


This has been out for a few weeks already. I don't remember all the cuts, but 
there were a couple old Sabbath tunes and a couple new ones. I don't think 
there was anything from the pre-Zakk Ozzy albums.

alan

    Maybe I can help here. I have in front of me the latest (ie, released
    yesterday) issue of Metal Hammer UK which includes an interview with
    Ozzy, and details of the EP. So here's some info culled from these
    items that may help.
    
    Please also bear in mind that this information is reproduced without
    permission from the relevant magazine. I'm simply passing on info.
    Now, down to the nitty gritty.
    
    The interview with Ozzy ranges far an wide but mainly concentrates on
    his booze problem.
    
    But in the middle he states that he intends to continue making albums
    with his band. In particular he wants to work with Geezer again (who
    was the main lyricist in the Sabbath days). He also wants to do work
    with other people. He cites the Lita Ford project as an example.
    
    The bottom line is that he wants to slow down and not have to spend
    13mths at a stretch on the road. He wants to spend time with his
    family, friends, etc.  
    
    So don't get disconsolate. The Oz will be about.
    
    About the EP. It was released in the UK on March 1st. It's called "Just
    say Ozzy" and contains:
    
    	Miracle man
    	Bloodbath in Paradise
    	Shot in the Dark
    	Sweet Leaf
    	War Pigs
    
    It was recorded live at the Brixton Academy in Novemeber 1989 (during
    the recent tour of the UK). It features Zakk Wylde, Randy Costillo,
    Geezer, and the man himself.
    
    I've heard the two Sabbath tracks from it and I reckon it's great. I
    reckon I'll buy it (and this is a man who usually buys albums only).
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    Keef.

Check out replies .121 & .122. They mentioned the LP almost a month ago. 
    
>    	Miracle man
>    	Bloodbath in Paradise
>    	Shot in the Dark
>    	Sweet Leaf
>    	War Pigs
 
You also should add also "Tattooed Dancers" in 4th position. It's a 6 tracks LP.


Didier "I sometime really worry if you guys anderstand me :-(" 

Yo !

Attention Koncerned kitty lovers !

Ozzy (The Kitty) is back !  Gone almost two days and found barking at the back 
door.

Ahhhh....

jc

    
    	Kitties don't bark!!
    
    							GTI
    

                         
                  
    Well, I bought "Just Say Ozzy" on cd, and its great!!!
                                       
    Ozzys voice is a bit of a let down, but then, we all know he ain't
    the world's greatest singer anyway!!
                                                    
    Zakks playing steals the show though, that guy is brilliant!! Check 
    out that WILD vibrato on those screaming harmonics!
                         
    Well worth the seven and a half quid.
             
    Cheers,
    -Tony 

    Where did you find the album?!How much for the tapes?I want it ,I
    need it....ARGHHHHHH!!
    
    
    
    
      Also,while I'm here,Today marks the 8th anniversary of Randy Rhoads's
    death.For those of you who forgot how he died.He was in the bands'plane
     when the pilot was srewing around and clipped the tour bus.The
    plane crashed killing the pilot,a roadie,and Randy.
      It's a shame he died.He would been 34 years old December 6th.
      REST IN PEACE RANDY.WE'LL NEVER FORGET YOU.
    
    
                                 From a true Ozzy fan and a devoted
                                 Randy Rhoads fan.

    
    	There's more about Randy (and his death) in note 376.
    
    	And there's also info on other H_M deaths.
    
    							GTI
    

    Slight correction...
    
    o The plane wasn't owned by the band
    o It was the group's hair dresser, not roadie who was the 3rd person
      with Randy.

RE: .151

Mine does...  Thats why I call *her* Ozzy...

;)

    Just Say Ozzy 
                 that says it all. Just picked it up myself and it's 
    KILLER. Couple of comments though, Ozzy sounded great on the old 
    stuff(Sweet Leaf & War Pigs) but on the new stuff, well not too bad but
    please OZ leave the high notes to the screamers, and would someone
    PLEASE get that Les Paul Custom out of Zakk's hands before he kills it!!!!!!
    My god, unreal. I guess it would'nt make such an impact on me but I've
    seen Zakk live twice and you might say that playing like that is damn
    good but he never stops!!!! Head never stops moving and he runs up and
    down the stage like he at a track meet. Truly a legend in the making.
    
                                     Blessed Be The Name Of SCARY
    
                                                     NR

    
    That guys awsome, huh?
    
    Definately the best new player to come out of 89/90.

    
    
    	...and cute, too!  Zakk! Not Ozzy.  (8 (8
    	(Just had to say that..)
    
    	Tigga~~~ 

    Being cute *always* makes for a better player.    8^)
    
    
    
    				Scary
    
    
    		(who's not a better player ...)

    
    Me, neither!  And if the bun size gets considered, I am hosed!  8)
    
    J.
    

    You got a "baker's dozen" too !   Agagaggaa .... 8^)
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Nope!  Just the opposite!  Not enough yeast!  8^)
    
    J.

    Somebody get me some air !		8^)
    
    
    
    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaagagagagga .......
    
    
    				Scary

    
    RE: -.1 
    
    Yup!  I think at least I look like some of Ozzy's axe (many ex) men.
    You know....
    
    
    
    		...the type that gets a workout in the shower???
    
    
    
    I have to run around to get wet!  I know what you all were thinking!
    8^)    Get your minds out of the gutter!
    
    J. Who's_always_singing_"God_Bless_America"_while_he_runs  8^)

    
                         CALLING ALL BELIEVERS
    
    Got an idea. I would like to get my hands on every scrap of music with 
    OZZY's input. I mean everything from songs done for other artists on
    their albums to song colaborations to any picture discs to EPs', LPs', 
    anything; I WANT IT ALL. I have the standard:
                                  BLIZZARD OF OZ
                                  DAIRY OF A MADMAN
                                  SPEAK OF THE DEVIL
                                  BARK AT THE MOON
                                  ULTIMATE SIN
                                  NO REST FOR THE WICKED
                                  JUST SAY OZZY
    What albums he did with Black Sabbath. I know about the Lita Ford thing
    so let's not bring it back up unless it's neccesary. I had a friend
    tell me OZ did a couple of tunes on a old WAS NOT WAS disc. Please God,
    say it isnt so. I have been wanting to accomplish this for quite some
    time but since I'm new to these files I never had the opportunity. So,
    let your fingers flow and help me out if you can and like the man says
    
    
    
    
    
                           LET THE MADDNESS BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
    

    .167�    What albums he did with Black Sabbath. I know about the Lita Ford thing
    
    	That's on note 38...The rest of your information can be found at
    the Greenville TEC library...After all he did get thrown out of G'ville
    one time. :*)
    
    Have a good one O'Reilly, and get a *^*^* haircut!
    
    B.A.

	Ozzy's new album title will "DON'T BLAVE ME" .

	It will be released in JAN-1991 .

	Recording members are
		Ozzy
		Zakk Wylde
		Randy Castillo
		Bob Daisely
		^^^^^^^^^^^

	Geezer leaved Ozzy band . So no studio albums he played .


						Tokyo CSC/J.Matsui

    That's wild, it's like he's rotating all they old guys from Sabbath
    through his band one at a time...
    
    gh

    I caught the tale end of something on CNN the other night. It sounded to
    the effect that someone else is trying to sue Ozzy over Suicide
    Solution. Anyone else heard anything?
    
    
                                                  Nate
    

                Oh yep...
                
                
                After the  JP case, it was found that backmasking
                was not covered  under the 1st amendment, so now,
                supposedly during a 42 second refrain in the song
                Suicide Solution, there is backmasking  that says
                something like, "Put the gun to  your  head, pull
                the trigger, do it, do it." Yep,  the infamous do
                it again.
                
                *sigh*
                
                forgot to mention this...
                

        If I  can  remember correctly, which isn't always, one of the
        guys in Judas  Priest  (KK or Rob) said that he felt this was
        just the beginning of  the  witch  hunts  as  well.  I'm sure
        we'll be hearing alot more in the future.
        
        I like the ad (Pro-vote) on MTV  though.   Looks like a group
        (which  one I'm not sure of) and they're  all  sitting  there
        with black tape over their mouths.  Says alot !
        
        Here's an idea !  I think I'll run for congress.  Anyone else
        want to cover any of the other states ?  :^)
        
        METALord"�

    
    I wouldn't get near MA politics..
    
    I'll take Maine.  8*)
    
    F.

    
    The Ozzy case was pending long before the Judas Priest case. It is only
    now that it has come to court.
    
    
    
                                  DEEBS

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From: [email protected] (CY RYAN)
Newsgroups: clari.news.music,clari.news.law.civil,clari.news.issues,clari.news.top
Subject: Judge questions motive for subliminal messages

	RENO, Nev. (UPI) -- A judge Friday questioned what possible motive
the heavy metal band Judas Priest would have for putting subliminal
messages on an album blamed for driving two young men to suicide.
	District Judge Jerry Whitehead, who earlier sat through repeated
playings of the album ``Stained Class'' with a poker face, raised
questions Friday about therecord's so-called ``do it'' subliminal
message.
	Whitehead, who is hearing the trial without a jury, asked audio
engineer William Nickloff Jr. if there were people looking for
subliminal messages in 1978 when the record was made. Nickloff responded
he did not think so. Whitehead then asked why Judas Priest and others
``would go to so much trouble'' to hide the messages. Nickloff replied,
``I don't know.''
	Nickloff, a self-taught engineer, was hired by the families of the
two young men suing the band and others involved in making the record.
	Nickloff testified the phrases were ``cleverly disguised'' and it
took him ``hundreds of hours'' listening to the record to convince him
they were the words ``do it.''
	Nickloff said he was not able to examine the original of the
24-track record but he had access to a backup of the original from CBS
Records. Listening to the tracks individually, he said he did not hear
the words ``do it.'' But he said when he combined 7-8 tracks, the ``do
it'' phrase came through. They are masked under a drum beat, he said.
	Gail Edwin, attorney for CBS Records, said Whitehead's questions
``were telling.'' She noted he sat through the record playing Thursday
``expressionless.''
	Edwin said the whole case against CBS and Judas Priest is built on
the theory of a mass conspiracy involving the band, engineers, producers
and CBS, a separate company in England and the one in the United States.
	Parents of Raymond Belknap and James Vance claim the subliminal
messages prompted the youths to shoot themselves with a shotgun in
December 1985 after smoking marijuana, drinking beer and listening to
the music for several hours. Belknap, than 18, died instantly and Vance,
than 20, died three years later.
	Under cross-examination Friday, Nickloff of Sacramento, Calif.,
agreed that the subliminal phrases appear in the same place where the
singer on the record is exhaling. But he maintained these were the
places where the ``punched in'' messages were placed.
	Judas Priest members say the so-called ``do it'' messages are
simply the breath sounds of the the singer. 
	There was wide disagreement among those in the courtroom Thursday
after the repeated playing of the record ``Better By You, Better Than
Me,'' whether those present could make out any subliminal messages. The
records were played forwards, backwards, speeded up and with loud and soft.
    
    
    ***********************************************************************
	In at least three previous cases -- in California, Georgia and New
Jersey -- fans of heavy metal have killed themselves after listening to
the album ``Suicide Solution'' by the rock singer Ozzy Ozbourne, another
artist who has recorded for CBS
	The California case was dismissed before coming to trial when a
court ruled that song lyrics were protected by the free speech
provisions of the First Amendment. The Georgia case is pending, and
heavy metal is no longer a factor in the New Jersey case.
    
************************************************************************
    
	In the Judas Priest case, however, lawyers for the plaintiffs argue
that the young men were driven to shoot themselves by the alleged
subliminal messages. Although he has yet to decide whether the
recordings contain such material, Judge Jerry Carr Whitehead has ruled
that such subliminal messages were not a form of speech and therefore
were not covered by First Amendment protections.

    
    	A conspiracy?
    
    	Give me a break!!
    
    							GTI
    

                The Ozzy case was already finished, it has not
                been pending.  This is a new case (probably from
                the same people as before however) that was just
                brought to court within the past 2 weeks (a friend
                from LA told me about the article appearing in the LA
                Times).

                - Rob -

    SOMEBODY GET ME A PISTOL, I'VE GOT THIS STRANGE CRAVING FOR FREEDOM OF
    EXPRESSION WITH GUN POWDER.
    
    Just people looking for a scapegoat because they don't know how to
    raise their kids. Been listening to OZZY strong since I was 13(23 now),
    as  matter of fact OZZY makes up 95% of what I listen to. It's a JOKE!
    
    Oh yeah, METALord, that group on MTV with the tape over their mouths is
    MegaDeath.
    
    What a f**ked up world in which we live.
    
                                                     Nate
    
    

        RE: Megadeth
        
        No kidding.  I knew they regrouped, but I still remember them
        when they still had Jeff Young in the group.  Guess it's time
        to upgrade my CD collection huh ? :^)
        
        Thanks. . .
        
        METALord"�

    I was listening to Ozzy's "No Rest for the Wicked" yesterday afternoon
    and I was just blown away by Zakk's guitar tone, just intense.  He's
    got a great technique and it fits the music real well.  
    
    Totally intense sound, I wish I could sound/play like that!
    
    The lyrics kind of turn me off a bit, but I don't listen to lyrics too
    much anyway.
    
    gh

       I saw that tour, Ozzy pretty much inhaled, but Zakk was outstanding;
    and if I remember correctly he was only 19 or 20 at the time. 
    			The KER
    

    re - Greg ...
    
    Lyrics are just fillers between lead breaks anyway ...
    
    I saw the video-concert for NRFTW, and Zakk was unreal !  Must be the
    Les Paul .... heh heh heh heh ....
    
    
    Scary (a satisfied LP owner !)

    
    	RE: Zakk was unreal
    
    	Zakk with his bell bottom jeans and hair a flinging around
    	so much it's a wonder he didn't get it caught in a guitar
    	string. (8
    
    	tigga~~~ who's going to dig out the tape right now. (8

    I appreciate well written lyrics.  Maybe that's why I don't listen to
    this guy.

    Oh contraire mon frare !
    
    I think Ozzys' lyrics are cool !!
    
    Check out the lyrics to Mr Crowley, Crazy Train, Flyin' High Again,
    and a buncha others !!  I like Ozzys' lyrics...
    
    jc

    thanks, but no thanks.  

    Ozzy Rulz.

    I third that.  Though I think he has gone down hill of late!
    
    Check him out on the Brit awards tonight, if you can stand the pap!
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ

>    I appreciate well written lyrics.  Maybe that's why I don't listen to
>    this guy.
    
    I didn't say they weren't well written, they are.  I just don't like
    what they say.  No biggie for me, I don't listen to 'em anyway.  As
    Scary so aptly put, lyrics are just filler between guitar solos (or
    just something to carry a melody line).
    
    gh

    I guess I was semantically incorrect.  I detest what he says.  Solos
    are too short to tolerate his lyrics, imo.

    
    Mike, I want you to read these lyrics by Ozzy and tell me what you
    think; It says it all about Ozzy and Sabbath as far as I'm concerned.
    
After Forever by Black Sabbath from the album "Master of Reality"
 
Have you ever thought about your soul-
can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you are dead
you just lay in your grave.
Is God just a thought within your head or is
He a part of you?
Is Christ just a name you read in a book
when you were in school?
 
When you think about death do you lose
your breath or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end
of a rope - do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth.  Yes, I have seen
the light and I've changed my ways.
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely
and scared at the end of our days.
 
Could it be you're afraid of what your
friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realise before they critisise
That God is the only way to love.
 
Is your mind so small that you have to fall
in with the pack wherever they run?
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say you may as well worship the sun.
 
I think it was true it was people like you
that crucified Christ.
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the
only one voiced.
Will you be so sure when your day is near -
say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down
now you can't retrieve.
 
Perhaps you'll think before you say that
God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that He is the one.
The only one who can save us now from
all this sin and hate.
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it is too late.
 

    
    	RE: demonically schemonically...
    
    	To each his own.  Personally, I'd much rather listen to
    	Ozzy than *any* kind of Christian metal but that's me.
    	(8
    
    	tigga~~~

    re: -1
    
    ...and you've probably never heard any.

    re -2
    
    What the h*ll does that have to do with Ozzy ?  Ozzy is Ozzy, either ya
    love him or hate him.
    
    Sheesh ...
    
    
    Scary (who'd listen to fleas hump if it sounded good ....  8^)  

    
    
    	RE: -1
    
    	there was a smiley after that Mike.  In other words, you
    	like your music and I like mine (or to keep it general,
    	to each his own)
    
    	And yes, I have heard Stryper (as you've heard Ozzy).
    	I don't like 'em.  One artist to one artist.
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    
    	RE: Jerry
    
    	Nothing, I guess.  He just said that he didn't like Ozzy,
    	I said I didn't like Christian music but DID like Ozzy
    	and it's a "to each his own" thing.
    
    	Egads... I put a smilie after that... next time I'll
    	keep my mouth shut! )8
    
    	tigga~~~

Re: -1

I don't get it.  I don't like Ozzy, but like other metal bands (including 
non-Christians).

You don't like Stryper, and don't like Christian metal.

    
    I loke em both!  But stryper kills new Ozzy stuff... so there!!
    
    Ps, 200 replies :')
    

    I told Kim offline that I consider Stryper one of the lamest Christian
    metal bands I've heard.
    
    Mike

      I don't know if this is mentioned in here earlier or not but, Ozzy's
    father happens to be a preacher from what I understand. Ironic isn't
    it.
    					The KER
    

    
    	re: .201
    
        Why?
    
    	The lead singer/guitarist is one of THE best voices around.
    	He's a VERY good guitarist too, not to mention the rest of
    	the band. I think they're one of the most talented bands
    	around, even if I don't like some of their material. I've 
    	seen them twice live and I was totally amazed!
    
    	/prc

    Re: -1
    
    Pete, I don't mean that as a knock on Stryper.  I know they're
    talented.  The point is that Stryper is the only group you guys have 
    heard because they're on a mainstream label.  There are much better 
    Christian bands out there that make Stryper sound like Pop Metal.  The 
    sad fact is that they record on a Christian label so you'll probably 
    never hear them, unless you go to a Christian bookstore and try a few 
    tapes/CDs.
    
    The only other alternative is to have some of them strike a mainstream
    deal ala Amy Grant.  In her case, Myrrh records has a mainstream deal
    with A&M records.  The problem here is that its a numbers game and not
    a talent game.  She sells well so A&M is banking on her selling well in
    their market.  Christian Metal doesn't sell well so I don't you'll see
    such a deal with Whitecross or REZ.
    
    Mike

    Mike, I've heard lots of "Christian" metal, and I've never purchased
    anything by any of the bands with the exception of Stryper, which
    I've listened to like twice.
    	I think you'd be better off just saying that you prefer not
    to listen to Ozzy's lyrics because of the "demonic" (as you put it)
    lyrics in some of his songs. Because you consider them demonic,
    doesn't mean they're any more or less "good" or intelligent than
    any or all Christian bands.
    	Religion has nothing to do with it at all for me. If I find
    what I consider to be offensive Christian or offensive Satanic
    messages in the music I'm listening to (if they're strong enough
    to make me ignore the music) then I'll avoid it.
    
    not flaming at all, just MO/Mike

    re:myself
    Oops, let me say that I've NOT heard Whitecross or REZ, I may
    be missing out on those. 

    Re: .205
    
    Mike, I never referenced intelligence because I don't think it applies. 
    I've already "labeled" some of Ozzy's lyrics with the "D" word, as you
    said.  I'll let it lie from there.
    
    Bottomline: I may be "close-minded" in some things, but not in music.  
    I'll listen to anything once.  Ozzy didn't earn a second chance in 
    my book ;-)  In turn, you have to realize other forms of metal don't
    begin and end with 1 band.
    
    Mike

    
    	"Crazy Train" is probably the best song to listen to if you're
    	trying to roast your brain, especially in the car.
    
    	I was in the car the other day and it came on, so I cranked on
    	the EQ and there was Ozzy coming through at about 70WPC or so.
    
    	Amazing.
    							GTI
    

    Mike, I'm glad you didn't take my reply as flaming (believe it or
    not, I was worried about that over lunch! 8^)
    
    Shawn, my fave song by Ozzy never gets airplay.. Over the Mountain
    is my fave.
    
    

>    Mike, I'm glad you didn't take my reply as flaming (believe it or
>    not, I was worried about that over lunch! 8^)
    
    Moi?  But I'm so easy to get along with ;-)
    
    Of the few songs I've heard by him, "Crazy Train" was probably one I
    liked most.  I loved the driving guitar work in it.  Is that Randy
    Rhoads on that tune?  I've always heard so much about Randy, but didn't
    get to hear him play very much.
    
    Mike

    
    	RE: Mike
    
    	"Crazy Train", "I Don't Know" [the 2nd best song to roast your
    	brain with] and "Mr. Crowley" are probably the most popular
    	Ozzy songs featuring RR on guitar.
    
    							GTI
    

    Re: Mr. Crowley
    
    now there ya go again tryin' to get me riled up ;-)  I've read the
    lyrics to this song.  I also know a little bit about the guy.  I have
    no idea why Ozzy would write about such "pestilence".
    
    Mike

    
    Oh no!  Not one of those eq/amps is it???
    
    :')
    
    70 watts per channel with 5% THD?
    

    At 90db he probably can't hear 20% THD ;-)  

    
    90db?!?  Um, 90db is about normal volume level in a car with a stock
    stereo.  Try mine with 130db :').
    
    Anyway, is it satanic to write lyrics about a guy that was a brilliant
    theoligist and numerologist?  Yes, Crowly was a very strange guy, but
    very brilliant in some ways.  I have a tarot deck (THoth) made by
    Crowley and also several of his books.  I cannot even begin to fathom
    what half the stuff he writes about means, but it makes for some
    interesting reading if you don't mind lots of numbers!
    

    
|    stereo.  Try mine with 130db :').
    
        Hmmmm. . .isn't that near/above the threshold of pain ? :^)
        
        Music is  art  in  the  ear of the beholder.  Some good, some
        bad.  Personally.  .  .I like the  musicianship  displayed in
        alot  of Ozzy's tunz.  Lyrics aren't the main factor  in  any
        song.  My 2� worth. . .
        
        METALord"�

    
    Looking at a chart I have here...
    
    40db	quiet living room area, no talking etc
    70db	vaccuum cleaner, business office (with no computers in
    		in it :')  especially a vaxstation!)
    80db	alarm clock
    90db	subway, screaming child, average street traffic
    100db	power saw and motorcycle
    105db	jackhammer
    120db	severe ear damage, rock concerts
    130db	IASCA maximum (int'l auto sound challange assoc)
    140db	threshhold of pain
    

    Ozzy does'nt write hardly any lyrics.  Bob Daisley wrote most of the
    lyrics on most of the albums.  So don't hate Ozzy for the lyrics hate
    Bob Daisley.
    
    Byron

>    Anyway, is it satanic to write lyrics about a guy that was a brilliant
>    theoligist and numerologist?  Yes, Crowly was a very strange guy, but
    
    I wouldn't call him a theologist in a Christian sense since he was a
    large advocate of Satanism.  He even attempted to have it made a legal
    alternative to Christianity in England.
    
    Mike

    Re: .219
    
    ...but Ozzy sings them.
    
    I know some people heavily into black magic.  They had some interesting
    things to say about the "hieroglyphics" on the back of "Diary of a
    Madman".
    
    Mike

    
    The heiroglyphics on DOAM...  Hmmm... I only have the tape so I'm not
    sure what those are.  You definately don't mean the ones on Speak of
    the Devil do you?  Those were Tolkein rules.  I deciphered those myself
    and basically they said 'This album is a tribute to Randy Rhoads who I
    will never forget, etc'
    
    I'll translate them again if those are the ones you are referring to. 
    I can read them almost fluently now, between their uses in so many
    places these days.
    

    I believe it was DOAM.  Ozzy is writing in a large book by candlelight
    on the cover and on the back is the same setting, but a child has
    replaced Ozzy.  The hieroglyphics are around the back edge of the
    album.
    
    Doesn't Speak of the Devil show Ozzy vomiting human flesh on the cover?
    
    Mike

    it looks more like strawberry jam to me......

    
    exactly.
    
    

    Again this is so silly.
    Mike, from your side, it could be platypus flesh if that's what
    you wanted it to look like. To me, it looks like Smucker's.
    What if Crowley wanted Satanism to be accepted? Like you said,
    we could debate for hours, you could say what you think Satanism
    is, someone else could say you were wrong, both sides could back
    it up. Basically, even if the songs said "worship the devil"
    they wouldn't offend me, just as if a HM song said "become Jewish!"
    I wouldn't be offended. 
    	I see your point, I find some lyrics of some bands offensive,
    probably because of my Catholic upbringing, but I don't find Ozzy's
    to be overly Satanic or negative, and even if they were, they
    probably wouldn't prevent me from listening to his music, which I 
    like.
    
    /Mike

        WARNING:  General statement not directed at anyone !
        
        In another  words.    .   .and then I'll shut up.  .  .if you
        LOOK for evil,  you  will  FIND  evil.    If  you  ignore the
        `innuendos'  you'll  find  the  bare  bones of music and art.
        Like the old saying, `Can't see for forest for the trees'.  
        
        Too many people look for the bad in things today.  What would
        this  world  be  like if everyone started looking for good in
        life instead of  all  the  bad ?  Think of the possibilites !
        What a theory huh ?
        
        Methodist by faith.  .  .realist by life !
        
        METALord"�_who_looks_at_all_3_sides_of_the_coin_for_the_truth_!

    
    
    	Actually, it was cranberry sauce.  The truth was revealed by OO
     during a radio call-in contest.
    
    
    
    Paul

    Same thing about Dio's lyrics...if you wanna find the Satanic
    references in them, they're there!  If not, just rock out, you'll never
    know the difference!
    
    Buck, who's well versed enuff in Satanism to know a reference when I
    see one, but doesn't pay attention to that crap!

    Crap, exactly!!!

    Re: jam
    
    I'm sure he didn't use real blood ;-)
    
    Re: looking for evil
    
    I don't go out of my way to look for it.  But I can see it when it
    presents itself.  You know what's funny?  I have the same argument with
    other Christians all the time, only I'm in your shoes.  I'm fairly
    liberal in that respect.  Some of the Bible-thumpers (tm) are real
    pathetic and have virtually eliminated any sort of enjoyment from their
    lives.  Since they can't enjoy anything, they try to push it on others.
    Afterall, Christians aren't allowed to have fun, right?
    
    BTW - I tend to place people like Mr. Crowley, Jim Bakker, and Jimmy
    Swaggart under the same classification.  Even if they meant well,
    none of them helped their fellow mankind.
    
    Mike

    
    re. -1
    
    Amen to that, brother!!!
    
    
    -Tunes-
    

    Been listening to Ozzy's NRFTW again and I realized something.  It
    seems Zakk is pushing the beat a little bit (just slightly ahead of the
    main beat) with his guitar parts on several of the songs.  This gives
    it a really urgent feel, with a feeling of wildness to the guitar
    parts.
    
    This is a really cool technique and really makes these songs feel like
    they're MOVING!
    
    gh
      

    My turn.
    
    Being the son of a bible thumping holy roller of a preacher and a
    strong ozzy fan let me say this, unless you've been there, Jam It.
    Public views, I understand, have swayed in that everyone thinks that
    preachers in general are money grubbing tv evangelists but they all are
    not. My father, untill his death in 1981, worked his butt of trying to
    preach, hold down a full time job, and be a husband and a father, and I
    remember him also holding down another part time job because preachers
    DON'T MAKE SH*T! I know, he was a college grad and also a very
    intelligent man but he did what he had to do. Also the pressures that
    the community puts on a preacher and his family( always perfect, never
    can make a mistake, must always be the picture of Christian living,
    ALWAYS BE PERFECT WITH NO ROOM FOR ERROR OR GET BLASTED BY EVERYONE IN
    TOWN ) is the reason I like Ozzy's music because I relate to his lyrics
    because they are the lyrics of a man who is anti-social, half crazy,
    hates so-called Christian people and hypocracy. My life as a peachers
    kid has caused myself to be the same way. To each his own, but
    appreciate all types of music if only for the perticular people who
    find pleasure and understanding in it. To say that there is no room for
    a perticular type of music or lyrical style is also making you a prime
    canidate to become a close-minded book burner. Is'nt America great!
    
    
    Lastly check out a group called Neon Cross.
    
                                             Nate
    

    Go have your coffee Nate.  Nobody made those accusations.
    
    Mike

    -2
    
    and while you're at it, make it de-caff!  ;^)

    Nate, it was interesting to hear a different side. 
     You can present it a little more calmly though, I mean "Jam it"
    is a bit much.
    
    /Mike

    >You can present it a little more calmly though, I mean "Jam it"
    >is a bit much.
    
    I agree.  I mean, ferchristsake, you sound like you're preaching!
    ;^)

    .231�    other Christians all the time, only I'm in your shoes.  I'm fairly
    .231�    liberal in that respect.  Some of the Bible-thumpers (tm) are real
    .231�    pathetic and have virtually eliminated any sort of enjoyment from their
    .231�    lives.  Since they can't enjoy anything, they try to push it on others.
    .231�    Afterall, Christians aren't allowed to have fun, right?
    
    	What's this?  Nate was just trying to get the point across that not
    *all* Bible-thumpers are boring!
    
    Enough said.
    
    B.A.

    I agree with ya,B.A.
    It's things like this that turn people off to this conference.
    I don't agree with all you say,Nate-but ---
    Keep on Rockin and keep THE faith.
    
      Crazy_Alice_Coopers_dad_is_A_Minister_Al

    Al,
    	What the hell are you talking about?
    Things like what?
    

    MotorBreath,What I mean is that the little I heard of them,
    I don't wanna check out Neon Cross.
    
      Crazy_Nates_A_rocker_And_I'm_glad_HE-sheared_those_personal_feelings_
    with_us_AL

    
    Ozzy's cool.

    
    
     Does anyone know the name of the song/album by Bill Ward that Ozzy 
    sings on? I heard a great song the other night but, as usual, all the
    dj said was "that was Bill Ward with Ozzy on vocals". 

    YEA!
    
    Well I guess I was a little wired but no insult intended. Sorry folks
    but certain things get me that way. I know I preach sometimes but thats
    one of the many curses of being a preachers kid. I dont know, Jam it
    isn't too bad. would'nt what to classified as a puss. God knows that
    there are enuff 'new puss on the block' fans out there. Makes u wonder
    how some people can look at themselves in the mirror each morning.
    So far as this group Neon Cross, I've only heard one cut from them and
    it absolutely rolled me out of my chair, could'nt understand the lyrics
    too well but they Kicked. Anyone heard when OZZY's new release is
    comming out?\
    
    
                                          OZZY ROOLZZ
    
                                             Nate
    

  
    	See note 404 for Bill Ward info.
    
    	I think the song was "Bombers Can Open Bomb Bays", but I don't
    	know the name of the album.
    
    							GTI
    

    Just read in the latest issue of Rolling Stone. Ozzy is finishing up
    his next and last SOLO release. He says he's fed up with the bad pr
    he's gotten with his past work, so tired in fact that he's hanging it
    up. The release is being produced by two producers, their names escape
    me at the moment, one produces Motley Crue and the other, L.A. Guns.
    Some tracks are Mr. Tinker Train, I Don't Want To Chance The World and
    Don't Blame Me. Didn't give a release date. It is still untitled but he
    said that it wouldn't be anything like "Return Of The Madman" because
    he said that all that stuff was kind of boring to him now.
    
    
    
                      DAMN, I FEEL LIKE GETTING FUBAR-ED
     Well I guess LEGENDS can't go on forever.
    
                                                      Nate
    
    
    

    
    	He's trying to get away from the demon/devil references
    	and move on to something new.
    
    	Give it a chance ... it might be good.
    
    							GTI
    

    Miracles do exist!

    Oh! Contrair Monfrair, I'm sure it will be good. I hope Ozzy sets Zack
    LOOSE on this one using the example of the difference between "Bark At
    The Moon" and "The Ultimate Sin" with Jake E. Lee because I remember
    reading about how Lee said that Ozzy had held him back on "Bark At The
    Moon" but promised to let him go on the next album which is the same
    thing that I read about Zack with "No Rest For The Wicked". A pretty
    staggering thought when you stop and think about it, hard to imagine,
    but something to look forward to. I'm just pissed that Ozzy is hanging
    it up but I can't say I blame him, you do get a little punch drunk if
    you get pounded on enough. Correction, the track is I Don't Want To
    CHANGE The World.
    
                                                  Nate
    

    
    I like Bark at the Moon *alot*. Way better then the past couple
    releases.
    
    /prc

    I agree (man, we gotta stop doin' this ...) - I like Zakk and all, but
    Jake E. Lee, to me, is just an awesome player.  And after hearing his
    work with Badlands, I like him even more.
    
    Scary

    HELP! HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!
    
    No, I'm not saying that Lee isn't one hell of a player, my opinion is
    that "The Ultimate Sin" success was due to Lee. The sound totally
    seperates that album from the rest and I listen "Bark At The Moon"
    every week. I'm just saying that I would like to hear the next album
    because of the event of 'being set loose' and I know that there are a
    few people that think that Zack isn't too hot but think about
    this; at age 19, I think I was flipping burgers. Give Lee credit but
    hey, give Zack time to get out of his diapers and mature musically a
    little. Agreed is that Badlands kix but Jake E. Lee is the group and
    when your the one in control you tend to go that extra mile. Same
    dicussion-same answer, each is great in what they do.
    
                                                     Nate
    

    I don't think Zakk will ever get a chance to go all out on an Ozzy
    album.  See, any album from here on out has the potential of being
    Ozzy's "farewell" vinyl - would someone of Ozzy's status be willing to
    let his guitar player shine like a diamond OVER him on his LAST album -
    this kid thinks nay.  I'd look for his next album to be similar to "The
    Ultimate Sin", in that it's got more dimension rather than being just
    another rock and roll album.  All the releases with Randy Rhodes, to
    me, seemed real moody - I don't feel that on "No Rest For The
    Overweight" ...  8^)
    
    I'd look for more acoustic stuff concerning global issues and politics,
    and I would NOT look for any stuff with direct ties to Satan or the
    Occult - that ain't cool in the 90's, even Slayer's getting above that.
    IMHO, the next album will me great, but Zakk won't be in the spotlight. 
    Besides, on Dokken's last studio album (Back For The Attack, I think
    ...), it was supposed to be George Lynch's shining moment - a "guitar
    player's" album.  And that it was, mega-leads on every cut.  I loved it
    at first, but looking back on it now, it didn't compare to "Tooth And
    Nail" which was a well-rounded effort by the group, yeilding better
    music, as opposed to a guitar show (can't believe I'm saying this ...).
    
    We'll see .....   8^)
    
    
    Scary (who still loves hearing "Believer" at mega-db's ...)

    Well put, now that you mention it, I believe your right and might I add:
    spoken like a true axe-killer. So whats in store for the future, maybe
    the Zack Wylde Experience? What can he do for an encore, set his
    guitar on fire? Gee, got a lite bud? Or is bud lite?
    
                      who needs whammies when you have pyrotechnix
    
                                              Nate

    Unfortunately, awesome guitar players (Like Zakk, Lee, Lynch,
    Malmsteen) are a dime a dozen.  Zakk will have to be in a
    successfull *band* instead of being a GREAT guitar player in a generic
    band.  I figured George Lynch would be like that, but after listening
    to Lynch Mob, he's just another player, great, but lost in the shuffle.
    Thanks to Ozzy, Zakk's made a name for himself - he'll be around for
    awhile.
    
    Scary

    I agree with Scary, there are tons of killer players floating around
    these days, Ozzy could probably have his choice of dozens of them. 
    Zakk's a great player and I really enjoy his stuff, but he's
    expendable.  
    
    I also agree with his assessment of George Lynch (but that belongs in
    another topic).
    
    Speaking of great players getting lost in the shuffle, what the heck
    has happened to Jake E. Lee???  There was the Badlands album about
    two or three years ago and then nothing!
    
    gh

    I wish he (Jake) would put something else out - I really liked
    Badlands.
    
    He may have a job on an ant farm somewhere in Illinois ....   8^)
    
    Scary

    Latest on the most recent case against Ozzy dealing with "Suicide
    Solution". Heard on MTV the other day, thrown out of court. The case
    was for 56 millon. Some people just don't know when to quit.
    
                               NRA ROOOLLLLZZZZ
    
                                                Nate

    Ozzy is my favorite group I love all the albums that they have.
    I love shot in the dark.
    
              phoebe
    

    Saw an interveiw with the Oz on MTV the other day. His new release I
    believe will be called "NO MORE TEARS", and its due out next month. He
    has a new bassist (or at least I didn't recognize him). If it was Bob
    Daisley then the man has let his hair GO! This guy had some seriously
    long and curly hair. The Oz looks a bit fitter than in the past. He has
    leaned down even further than on the NO REST tour, maybe he will tarry
    on. He still has Wylde and Castillo (sp??) with him. 
    
                                UNTILL MADNESS PREVAILS
    
                                         Nate

    I though geezer butler was the bass player for Ozzy's band?
    WHAT HAPPENED TO BILL WARD?!
    

    
    Bill Ward had some problems with Alcohol. Then his parents died and
    he hasn't been heard from since.
    
    /prc

    re: -1
    
    What do you mean Bill Ward hasn't been heard from since?  He has a solo
    album out.
    
    |KS|
    

    
    Oh yeah, I forgot about that!

    Well, I guess it's easy to forget!  I only heard one song off it, the
    video that was on MTV last year or so, but I wasn't impressed.
    

    
    	"Bombers Can Open Bomb Bays", with Ozzy on vocals.
    
    	Yuck, IMO.
    
    							GTI

      RE-1
    
             Very Yuck!!!!IMNSHO!
    
                            Frizkid
    

    Geezer talked Dio into joining back up with Black Sabbath and a release
    is due out in Dec.
    
                                              Nate

    More HOT news from the Pitrelli Gossip Line (as I remember it...there
    was so much of it!)...
    
    Zakk will be leaving Ozzy soon to form a band with drummer Randy
    Castino (sp??).  Rumored band name is Wylde Stallions!!  8^)
    Ozzy's new lp comes out soon.  Zakk will tour with the Oz, then
    it appears Ozzy's band will split, Zakk and Randy will go their own
    ways, and Ozzy will find a new band (with another HOT guitar player)!

The title of it is supposed to be : "Say Hello 2 Heaven"

Announced in September.

    I heard the new song "No MORE TEARS" last night.
    
               Very cool....Very OZZY!
    
                          Frizkid
    

    
    Very cool indeed.

    Is that *really* Ozzy that's pictured on the cover???? WOW, he looks
    alot different....
    
    
    jeff
    

    
    He has lost alot of weight. I saw an interview on eMpTyV and he looked
    great! Much better than days of old.

    Just got the tape this past Saturday. Well I don't know exactly what to
    say. I like it alot but it is hard to describe. It is unlike anything I
    have heard Ozzy put out. It absolutly showcases the vast talent of
    Zakk. There is even some slide gutiar on one track. This one folks you
    will eithr love or hate, I don't think there will be any fence sitters
    on this one. Heavy bass and it has been engineered very loud so make
    sure you have a good system. Very diverse and complex and get this,
    TEMPO CHANGES. OOOOO!! I know you just can't wait. Can heard some
    different influences like the beatles, GnR, some blues and....well I
    don't want to spoil it for you. I got my moneys worth.
    
                                                     Nate
    

     If anything G&R were influenced by OZZY.
                 The new album kicks major *ss!
    
                            Jazz

|     If anything G&R were influenced by OZZY.
|                 The new album kicks major *ss!
        
        AAAAAAAAA-MEN Jazz. . .(or would that be considered sexist ?)
        
        :^)
        
        METALord"�

    It's nothing short of a masterpiece...

        Would anyone expect different of Ozzy ? :^)
        
        METALord"�

    Masterpiece = Pet owners posterior region
    pet owners posterior region = backdoor
    backdoor = basketball play
    basketball play = hook shot
    hook shot = Pirate dead
    Pirate dead = No treasure. 
    No treasure = empty chest
    empty chest = 3rd grade girl
    3rd grade girl = student
    student = gotta learn before being a pro
    gotta learn before being a pro = amatuer
    
    So what yer saying is that Ozzy is just an amatuer. I dunno I gotta
    disagree.

    
    Wow,... J_H, we gotta talk.....  8)
    
    
    Chris, who sometimes wonders who wierder

    YO dude, I was just trying to stick up for Ozzy, April was bashing him.

    ?  From what I gather here, April LIKES the new Ozzy ... ?
    
    Scary ....
    
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    It's nothing short of a masterpiece...

     The vid. for NO MORE TEARS is WICKED, HELL-A-BAD!
    
               The Oz man lost alot of weight and is lookin' way EVIL
    which is the OZZY *I* remember.
    
            I love the thing he does with his eyes after the sink burns!
    
                    The album is nothing tall of a masterpeice!!!!!!!!8)
    
                             Frizkid
    
                            
    
    
    

    I haven't seen the video, but there was an interview with him on MTV
    News that I saw and he looks great!  He has lost a LOT of weight and
    appears to have been working out.  Even had kind of a healthy look to
    his face.  I was very surprised.
    
    gh

    
    I like the Vid and the Song, except when his head starts moving back
    and forth at astronomical speeds...
    
    Chris, who found a new word today. Astronomical
    
    

    
    
    	Ozzy looked HEALTHY?!  Eesh... will wonders never cease.
    
    	RE: Scary
    
    	That's what I thought too! ?!?!
    
    	tigg~~~~ who missed the vid yesterday mornin'

    Ozzy said in an interview that the only thing he didn't like about the
    TEARS vid was the head tossing which wasn't his idea. Didn't mean to
    start a russle about the GnR comment but although you may think the
    comment was unfounded based on Ozzy's time in job, remember Zach is
    just approx. 21 yrs old - thats what I meant and that means Ozzys been
    singing since before Zack was getting the root put to him. Can you say 
    KILLER ALBULM.
    
                Scary, this is not a paid endorsement or dramatization
    
                                                          Nate  

    So, Nate ...
    
    ... when ya gonna lemme borrow it ?  8^)   I'll let you borrow the new
    Juice Newton ....  waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagagagaga ....
    
    Scare'

    re-1,
    
    	I borrowed it yesterday and got it taped!  It's really different
    than previous Ozzy's...but it's still good!
    
    B.A.
    

    
     I bought it yesterday, and I'm not really sure why? I'm not a big
    Ozzy fan, but after 2 listens I really do like it. It seems alot
    different from other material of his over the last few years. I don't
    know exactly why I like it, I'll write more later after a few more
    spins. Real vague review huh?
                                   mike
    

    Strange dude, thats exactly how I felt and I'm a HUGE Ozzy fan but the
    tape didn't just jump out, IT JUMPED OUT AND GRABBED ME AND BENT ME
    OVER LIKE A SHOTGUN.  It was like I had to listen to it a couple of
    times before I could figure out where I was at. I wish I had a CD player
    because this release would be absolutly mind-blowing on a CD.
    
    
                                                  So much for being po
    
                                                     Nate
    

    
    
     After a few more times, I have to admit this is a great CD. I really
    like all the tunes on it. I think what I like the most about it is the
    guitar mix. Very heavy. I think the opening song (can't remember the
    name) and the ballad at the end (Road to nowhere) are favorites. I
    would recommend this to anyone.
                                     mike
    

    Mr. Tinkertrain.

    
    
     Yeah, thats the one. Thanks
                                  mike
    

    Nate was kind enough to let me borrow the new tape ... I haven't
    listened to all of it, but I like *every* cut I've listened to so far.
    The guitar riffs seem heavier than before, and Zakk Wylde is one of the
    more underatted slingers out there.  He tends to use the cheap harmonic
    pinches more than I'd like, but that's *his* trademark, so I guess
    that's reason enough.  
    
    This tape didn't have to grow on me, I liked it from the start.
    
    Scary

    300 replies!
    
    
    I still ain't heard none of this.

    Anybody have the 'Dont blame me ' video tape? I got it.
    

    HEY!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Lets be a little more specific about that Vid tape. Some general info
    and a price would be nice.
    
                                        TANXXX
    
                                               NATE

    Well I went and got the video myself. (you knew I would) Great
    documentry. Cameo's by Jon Bon Jovi, Bill Ward, Nikki Six, Mick Mars,
    Lars Ulrich, Ric Ruben, Joe Elliot and a few others. Some Sabbath tunes
    and footage, even one of Sabbath doing 'Blue Suede Shoes'--will
    miracles never cease. Concert footage of Randy Roads and in practice.
    The main issuses such as "suicide", the bat, the dove, the Alamo, and
    the alcohol problems. Ozzy at home, Ozzy at work, Ozzy in druken
    stuper, and my personal favorite scene with the bong. He opens a
    cabinet drawer, pulls out this tall shaft, lites a match and leans     
    over as the screen goes black,"gurgle, gurgle, gurgle, gurgle, gurgle, 
    gurgle, gurgle, gurgle",..... the screen opens back up, he blows a     
    cloud of smoke out and says "Heaven". I paid $21 for it and I really   
    enjoyed it. A must for any Ozzy or Sabbath fan. Oh yeah! Zach is going 
    to leave the band after this tour (with Ozzy's blessing) and form a    
    country_rock band. Imogonna havta be fubared for that one. Untill next 
    time kitties.                
    
    
    
    Nate

    Zakk doin' country_rock ?  I'm dyin' over here ... 8^)
    
    But then again, all the great guitar players end up doing that
    eventually ....  8^)
    
    Scary

    fyi,
    
    Zakks main influence is country music. You can hear it to a certain
    degree in the new album (in terms of licks).

    
    So is Rik Emmet's (gotta love that solo album :'))
    
    

    
    
    	We borrowed Ozzy's new video from a friend and I have to
    	agree with Nate - it was great!  I already put it down
    	on my Christmas list. (8
    
    	RE: Zakk leaving the band
    
    	Albeit quite late when I was watching it, I thought he (Ozzy)
    	had said that he'll "probably leave the band" but I didn't
    	hear anything definite being said.  He did mention though
    	that Zakk was more into a country-rock than hard rock.
    
    	I couldn't even believe that it was Ozzy sitting there.  He's
    	lost a lot of weight (again) and has actually gotten into
    	shape as well.  Didn't even look like the same person.
    
    	They played some clips from songs on the new album and on
    	first hearing them, I'm not quite sure I like it.  Guess
    	I'll have to add the album to my Christmas list, too. (8
    
    	He's certainly changed his outlook (?) and appearance...
    	Hope it's the right move for him.
    
    	tigg~~~

    Hey, I forgot to mention the new Ozzy workout. That's right folks, Oz
    pressing iron and riding a lifecycle and breaking a tremendous sweat.
    (yeah, I remember those beer sweats during football practice in
    college) Anyway, if you are into Ozzy always being fubared and don't
    care to see the other side then don't watch this video. Ozzy still has
    the same tendencies but in a better controlled manner. Has he calmed
    down completely, this kid thinks...............
    
                                  (dramatic pause)
    
    
    
    nnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!
    
    I guess thats what having kids will do for you.
    
    He must have one hell of a wife (Sharon) because he said that she never
    told him she would leave him if he didn't stop drinking. Most of his
    veiws remain the same. If you want to do it, go for it. I especially
    liked his comment on the bat after talking about all the shots he had
    to take because of the incident. "If you wanna be a d*ck, try it."
    Hopefully this new attitude on health will enable him to put out a few
    more albums. maybe
    
    
    Nate

    there ws an interview with Ozzy on raw power a few weeks ago and to
    be quite honest,the guy was sh*tfaced,funny,but sh*tfaced.He was
    wearing sunglasses but that was probably to hide his dilated pupils.
    Anyway,they played some Sabbath and a ton o' Ozzy.Quite good and quite
    informative.
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    
    I've been listening to Ozzy since I was knee high...well knee high.
    Anyway I love the new album.   The song Mama I'm Coming Home...cuts
    pretty close.  Very good song...great album.  No More Tears now ranks
    as one of my favorite albums of the year.
    
                 
                                              Jase

    Well I must say..... this is THE BEST video I think I've ever seen!  I
    couldn't believe how informative it was... all the candid talk about
    Ozzy by Lars Ulrich, Joe Elliott, Bill Ward, Lemmy, and the others!
    
    The only thing is... I hate to say it.... but I think Ozzy lied when he
    said he didn't sing anything about "gun" in the Suicide solution song.
    I listened very carefully, and I definately hear "Get the guns out!"
    right before it goes "soot soot soot soot soot".  He doesn't say
    "shoot" he says "soot".   I still think it's ridiculous that it caused
    that guy to kill himself though.
    
    FWIW I bought a videotape of Ozzy W/ Randy Roads at a flea market for a
    whopping $25.  It's the performance that the clips in "Don't Blame Me"
    are from!
    
    |KS|
    

               HAPPY BIRTHDAY,OZZY!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
                                         Crazy_43_I_Believe_Al

    Killer - we got's the same birthday !
    
    Scary (celebrating too ...)

    
    Well, HEY...happy birthday to you both!
    
    
    Chris

    Anyone ever notice how WASTED Ozzy always is on camera! 
    
    Geez, put down the bottle, Oz!!!
    
    'pril

    
    	And I thought he looked the best in years in the last interview I
    	saw!
    
    	- Jim

    
    His appearence on HBB and his tidbit on the mTVnews(i think) was a
    demonstration that he's either at the bottle or the mirror.
    
    
    Chris

    Oh...he LOOKS fine, Jim.  But he's drunk as a skunk all the time!  

    
    Hey, it's his life, and he's having fun. 

    
    Agreed. his kid seems to be enjoying it, too.   8^)
    
    
    Chris

    
    
    
    Welp, just heard, Ozzy's show in Boston has been cancelled. 
    He broke his leg... will be rescheduled at a later date...
    
    JW-

    
    Dman!

    
    RE: .321
    
    	Jumpin' jacks! HAHA
    
    RE: 322
    
    	Who'd 'Dman', pete?
    
    
    chris

    
    re: .323
    
    Hye, Im' ta hmoe so gmmie a brkae!

    
    well leave Mr. Budman alone and you'll type better...  8^)
    
    
    
    Chris

    
    Who me? Never!

    
    
    Oh no...never.
    
    
    Chris

    According to the report I heard... Ozzy broke a bone in his foot while
    jumping up and down during a show...He finished the show but
    canceled/postponed the rest.
    
    
    FWIW
    
    Jeff

    
    
    Wow!  And I thought he looked a lot thinner in his new vid!

    
    Hold On to your tickets....Ozzy has an infection in his ankle brought 
    on by playing live with it broken. All shows cancelled will be
    rescheduled in January!
    
    
    Chris

    Probably osteoporosis (however you spell it), I believe that's common
    among alcoholics.
    
    gh, who can't get "No More Tears" outta his head!  Cool tune!

    Zakk's tone roolz (even for M-1000 word amps!)

    re: .-1
    
    My thoughts exactly!  He's got an incredible tone!  
    
    Is he still using the Metaltronix smoke machines on the new album? 
    Incredible sounding amps, but not too reliable I guess.  
    
    gh

    I loved the tone in the "no more tears"song,totally brutal!
    
    
                                                 Staynz

>    I loved the tone in the "no more tears"song,totally brutal!
    
    If you like that, you'll like it on the rest too, that song's a good
    example of Zakk's tone (and playing) overall.
    
    gh

    Zakk used the M1000 amp-which-doubles-as-flash-pots for NMT, but is now
    using the "upgraded" model, which appears as the Ampeg VL1000
    
    M1000 -- VL1000 ... same thing

    Oh REALLY?  I knew Lee Jackson had designed an amp for Ampeg that was
    just hitting the market and wondered what it sounded like.  Reliability
    improved any under the Ampeg logo?
    
    gh

    I guess (from the hype) it sounds like a hot-rodded M-1000, if
    that is possible?!  I looked at one in Dallas at the Guitar Center
    and it has the same basic control layout as the M-1000.

    Didja play it?
    
    gh

Yeah man - I saw the ad in GUITAR.  I think I might need to play
one of them Amgeg-puppies...  I wonder if Ampeg'll come out with a
SP1000 clone also ??

jc (who thought ampeg was out of it... NOT!)

    >Didja play it?
    
    NOT!  Being in Dallas, I didn't have a guitar with me, and they
    didn't want to let me play any of their guitars (the lowest priced
    one in the store was a Ibz Custom at $1400).  Fine...f em.

    Geez, what kind of a store won't let you play a guitar to demo
    something.  That's whacked!
    
    gh

Citadel Music.
 
:)

    RE-1 
    
     YEA but they have a killer saleman and guitar vituriso(sp)!1
    
                     8)!!!
    
                      Frizkid
    

    Yeah, but he's "Kevin" at the store.
    
    gh

    SERIOUSLY rollin!

Last time I went in there, they didn't want me to play their guitars
to try out one of their Marshalls.
The saleperson just wanted to show me how well he could play.
I was history.

jc

    Ozzy will be on WHJY 94 FM tonite at 11:30.
    It's one of those dial in and talk to him things.
    
               Crazy_it_might_be_on_WAAF_also_Al

    FWIW-Lemmy from Moterhead wrote "Mama, I'm coming home" off No Mre
    Tears! AMAZING! I never thought he had it in him.
    
               Frizkid
    

    ...so???....who's goinng to tomorrow nites show at the Orpheum?????
    ....../k

    
    
    	I'm working tonight's show.  Anyone gonna be there?
    
    
    Paul

    I'd like to go, but no ticket for the show tonight.  I might be there
    tomorrow if I can find one ticket for myself.
             
    -Dle
      |
      |
     -+-
      |

    
    Ni kiddin' I'd like to get my hands on some tickets...
    
    

    I'd like to go, too!

    ...hey guys....ever think of planning ahead of time??....naw, didn't 
    think so...!!!...........shame on you..this one was even postponed with
    another date added....well, i'll think of you while enjoying the
    show...!!...na nana na na na!!............./k
    

    
    Re: Buck
    
    	I say we pay a visit to /k and steal her ticket(s)...
    
    
    

    Hey /k,
    
    Check it out...
    
    a) I didn't know the first (sold out) show was rescheduled!
    b) I didn't know when (dates) it WAS re-scheduled to!
    c) I didn't know they added a 2nd show, with available tickets!
    d) I still don't know what the 2nd show, with possible avail tix (?),
       date is!!!
    
    So, like how can I plan ahead for some f...ing concert that I don't
    know when it's even happening?!?
    
    I mean, I asked in the CONCERT note, but noone was nic,e enough to
    answer my f...ing question!!!
    
    8^(

re: -1

What the hell is this then??? 


alan

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    OZZY Osbourne show resceduled for January 15th at the Orphium.
    A second show added for the 16th - tix on sale sat.
    
    /w

>re: -1
>
>What the hell is this then??? 
>
>
>alan
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>    OZZY Osbourne show resceduled for January 15th at the Orphium.
>    A second show added for the 16th - tix on sale sat.
    
    Well, OBVIOUSLY I didn't see that!  I did look thru 22.*, but not all
    the replies.  The only response I got was:
    
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    	Don't know when it was changed but... Prong is now opening for 
    Ozzy instead of Infectious Grooves.
    
    
    I mean, maybe a pointer would have been nice?!?

     Buck is on a roll!!!
    
       Go rampage man! 8)
    
                       Frizkid
    

    
    He's a madman!

    .....buck:;.....we just love it when you gets feisty...;')......!!!!
    ......../k

    
    
    I know *i* for one love to see him flare his nostrils!
    
    
    ;')

    
    
    	Re: Buck
    
    >>Well, OBVIOUSLY I didn't see that!  I did look thru 22.*, but not all
    >>the replies.  The only response I got was:
    
    	How could 22.19 be in response to your .20?  I entered .19 as fyi
    only.  Why didn't I include a pointer to the original announcement
    reply?  Why should I search through previous replies if others aren't
    gonna bother.
    
    	My .21 was in response to your .20.  Nope, still no pointer but I
    did post the Orpheum's #.  They'd have all the info you'd need.
    
                                               
    Paul
    

    
    Paul, I wasn't raggin on you, but the author of .3 reads this file 
    often, and Since Alan found .3, either or anyone else could have said
    "Did you check out .3?"
    
    nevermind,
    Buck, obviously not going

    While we're on the subject of Ozzy.....
    
       I was jammin' to his tape at lunch and realized he has such a COOL
    voice he could probably sing Over The Rainbow and I'd like it.
    
           He has never sang a song in his solo career that I didn't like.
    
                     Frizkid
    

re: .366 (Buck)

I know I should just let this lie, as its really not important, but I just
have to get a parting shot in....  8^)

>    Paul, I wasn't raggin on you, but the author of .3 reads this file 
>    often, and Since Alan found .3, either or anyone else could have said
>    "Did you check out .3?"

Well, first of all, let's re-read the note you posted asking about the show
to begin with:

(From Note 22.20:)
> I hear there are two shows now instead of one...are any tix still available??

Looks to me like you already knew about the two shows, and were just looking
for info on ticket availability! Since I didn't know about that, I didn't
answer! (And I assume that's why Wayne, or anyone else, didn't respond also.)

Also, even if you were asking about the shows - why should I take the time
to look through Note #22 to find about a show for you, if you won't even
take the time to look for yourself??? Hell, there are only 20 or so replies
there, and *two* of them (.3, .9) specifically state the dates of the
Ozzy shows! How long would it have taken you to type in:

Notes> search ozzy /notes=22.*

and find the note about the Ozzy shows? Not nearly as much time as you
spend inserting .69 replies everywhere!  (OK, that was an uncalled for
low blow, but you know that's always a pet peeve of mine! 8^)

Anyways, I just didn't like the insinuation that it was *my* fault that
you didn't have Ozzy tickets, and felt the need to respond. These notes
will all self-destruct before the weekend is out....

alan

    I'm not a tone monster or anything but I think that Zakke W. has one
    of the best H_M tones ever!! Kinda dark and with lots of balls...
    
                    Too bad he's goin' country.
    
           Frizkid
    

    What do you mean country?????????!!?!?!?
    
    Zakke rules! His dark and deep riffs are the coolest.... 
    
    Chris

    
    
    Its true, Zakks heart is in country rock, rather than 'heavy' metal.

    
    oh is that it.... I thought he was leaving Ozzy for the Kentucky
    headhunters of something...
    
    phew!

    
    
    
    So, how was the show? I heard Zakk showed up at the Britney Fox show
    at Axis that night.... 

    I love Zakk's guitar tone, totally intense!
    
    gh

From: [email protected] (James J. Bako)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: OZZY OSBOURNE/PRONG
Summary: 1/22/92, Albany
 
Show Review:
                Ozzy Osbourne / Prong
                1/22/92  (originally 12/10/91)
                Palace Theater, Albany NY 
 
PRONG:  Why is it that Ozzy (or whomever decides) picks opening bands that 
        wind up showing him a thing or two. Remember Metallica in '86? How
        about Anthrax in '88? Although not on the same magnitude as the above
        two bands, Prong definitely gets a major push through this tour.
        Overall, they were very well recieved. Since they're trying to promote
        themselves through this tour, they stuck to playing their more 
        easily recognizable songs, and did a great job with them.
      
        set list: (somewhat in order)
                Beg to Differ
                Pointless
                Right to Nothing
                Prime Cut
                For Dear Life
                Unconditional
                Prove You Wrong
                (and one or two others i may have forgotten)
 
        for those of you who liked Prong, and dont have their albums, they
        handed out Prong promo cassette-singles after the show which had
        Unconditional and Beg to Differ.
 
OZZY:   Once again, Ozzy rises above and puts on a high-energy show. And what
        a show it was. The production was phenomenal, from the moment the 
        lights went down, and the raindrops fell and the opeing notes of Ozzy's
        first ever song (Black Sabbath) blared througout the theater, it became
        an event to behold. In front of the stage curtain was a projection 
        screen which showed a short 5-10 video documentary (sounds familiar,
        doesn't it?) Yeah, just like metallica, only better, as they showed
        footage of Ozzy doing bits of songs from every album from 1970-today.
        A truly spectacular opening. The show itself was not unlike any of
        the last few Ozzy tours except with major set list changes (see below).
        There were also three large screens behind the stage which had various
        images corresponding to whatever songs were playing (I wont go into 
        too much detail as some of it is pretty obvious, and some have to be 
        seen for yourselves). Usual Randy Castillo drum solo which was quite 
        good but not spectacular. Zakk Wylde's solo was basically the same
        as the one he did on the last tour, except for the addition of some
        country-music/slide guitar playing.
 
        Set list is as follows: (prepare for some surprises)

                Bark At The Moon
                Desire
                Mr. Crowley
                Goodbye To Romance(yep, they really did play it)
                I Don't Know
                Snowblind(!!!)
                Shot In The Dark
                No More Tears
                Miracle Man
                I Don't Wanna Change The World
                War Pigs(played in its entirety, unlike during the last tour)
                Suicide Solution
                Paranoid(that's right, before the encore)
        Encore: Crazy Train
        Video:  Mama I'm Coming Home (shown after the band had left the stage)
 
 
 
------------------
James
mail:[email protected]
       
          "Without deth, life would be meaningless."  -  Dave Mustaine

    
    Waaaahhh. I wanted to go. 
    
    Buck let's go somewhere to see this dude!!! :-)
    
    The quoth at the bottom......How true.. don't you agree, Seth?

    
    	Thanks for reinforcing how much I regret seeing him this time around.
    
    	Rumor control; Any one else hear that Ozzy plans on calling it quits 
    	on touring after the current tour and some shows this summer?  The 
    	rumor claims he'll still record but in any event I hope it is just a 
    	rumor.
    
    	- Jim

    I heard something like that about his last album.One of the European
    rock magazine had a "what are Ozzy's band going to do now" article,
    this is when Geezer Butler was playing in the band.
    
    
                    Staynz

    
    From what I hear this will be the last album under the name of "Ozzy
    Osbourne"... after this the it will be called *at least* the Ozzy
    Osbourne BAND"...but it will definetly have a 'band' name... no longer
    will it just be Ozzy.

    
    
    Prong is awesome!!!!!
    
    
    Everyone go out and buy their stuff!!
    
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    Oh yee Goddess, we do thy bidding.

    I saw a video this morning with Ozzy, but it was a different band's
    song and video.  He must have been making a "guest" appearance.
    Can't remember the name of the band or tune.
    
    Chris D.

    
    Therapy from Infectous Grooves

    That's the one!!
    
    Chris D.

    
    	While flicking through radio stations last night I caught the last 
    	bit of one of the King Buscuit shows.  Sounded great!
    
    	I love his continued pleas for crowd participation.
    
    	- Jim

    well last wednesday,Ozzy played In Edinburgh,which is 9 miles from chez
    Staynz.I knew one of my friends was going,so I went along for something
    to do.Let's face it,he can't sing,he looks buggered,he is the original
    leaping lardball......
    
    but what a f*cker of a show he put on.Absolutely superb.Two minor
    downers were the elongated guitar solo and drum solo,other than that,
    excellant.When he played Paranoid,2 guys leaped on stage and started to
    freak out.As no security stopped them,another 40 jumped on stage too.
    It was brilliant to see all these silly buggers having a croon a-long a
    Ozzy.The band kept playing and managed to play another song or two
    while there was a battle between security and mob.
    
                                                     Staynz

    It has to the Playhouse then... or does it!
    
    Bonzo (I'll be callin ya l8r staynz)

    yup the Playhoose!I was up in the balcony and it was quite empty.The
    guy who stood next to me looked like Charles Manson,the mad killer,so
    I behaved myself  8)
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    
     Leaping lardball! I'm still rollin!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                        mike
    

    From What I see,fewer and fewer bands are doing the Guitar/Drum solo
    thing.But I think Ozzy's bands will be doing them for as long as he 
    tours.
    
    Hey Staynze,Buddy...How many times did he say this lines?
         "EVERYBODY GO CRAZY!!!!!!!!"
         "I LOVE YOU ALLLL!!!""
         "LET ME SEE YER GODDAM HANDS!!"
         "MAKEA SOME NOISE!!!!"
    
                               Crazy_I_THink_he's_Great_Al

    the line "everybody go crazy" about 132 times
             "I love you all " once
    the others were not mentioned to my noice.He did say that the crazier
    we get,the crazier he gets quite a few times too.So I pulled a funny
    face........really crazy huh?!   8)
    
    
                                            Staynz
    

    
    Yeh Staynz thats quite crazy,your face
    is "funny" enough at the best of
    times..............................8*)
                                         Doogz                                  

    I would have liked to have seen the funny face you pulled when you
    heard they was going to sack everyone who chucked Dougie Stevenson in
    the pond...!Also,why didn't you put big boulders in his pockets so he
    drowned or do  you think working for National is worse than death  8)
    
    
                                                     Staynz

    Mikey, WAKE UP!!!  Zakk rooolz...

    It's good to see you're coming around Mikey...8)
    
      Friz
    

    Dude, if you like that *one* song, you'll go nuts over the album. 
    Truely superior stuff.
    
    'pril

    
    	"No Rest For the Wicked" IMHO is the best...FWIW
    
    B.A.

    re: .-1
    
    Sacrilige!  Blasphemy!
    
    Ozzy seems to be a great collaborator cause he produces great stuff
    no matter who he writes with, but I'll take "Blizzard of Oz" and
    "Madman" over everything.
    
    Those albums were so good that I'd probably buy my second copy of them
    before buying anything else?  ;-)

    -1
    
    Agreed!  I remember back in 80 hearing what eventually became Blizzard
    and was BLOWN AWAY!!  Still one of the greatest R&R albums of all time
    imvho!  Diary was not a let-down follow-up, either.  Too bad RR died
    exactly two weeks before I was to see him play in Boston...suckville!
    8^(

    
    The first two, Speak of the Devil, and Bark at the Moon are my
    favorites. All the rest are crap. IMHO. 8-)

RR had inCREDable composition skills - his solos are SO well thought out.
Zakk is a mere pup, but he has a wicked style too.  I'd say Ozzy has a real
good ear for guitarists...

jc

    I didn't mind when Brad Gillis was in Ozzy, but I didn't care for
    Jake's playing/writing AT ALL!  Barf-o.  But, all were better than
    Bernie Tormee(sp?).

How about Iommi ?

    
    Brad Gillis was great on Speak of the Devil!

    I liked Jake E. Lee a lot, and continue to like his Badlands efforts. 
    I liked Brad Gillis in Night Ranger, so yeah, I liked his stint with
    Ozzy.  I guess I've liked all of Ozzy's axemen.  But as for Tommy
    Iommi ...
    
    
    I wouldn't wipe my a$$ on him ... what a waste ...
    
    Scary

    SPITTIN' COKE, SCARY!!!! 
    
     All the stuff with Randy and Zakk rules the rest dribble drools.
    
              Frizkid
    

    
    	I was talkling about the post RR days...Nothing beats the early
    albums of Rhodes...as for the Zakk deal...NRFTW is the better of th
    two..IMHO
    
    B.A.
    

I liked Jake E Lee also.  I have the video The Ultimate Ozzy and Jake wails a
bit in there.  Of course those weren't tunes he wrote.

I like Zakk also.  I sent my little brother (8 yrs younger) some tapes and the
only thing he really liked was Ozzy's No More Tears.  He went on and on about
it.  He definitely liked Zakk as well.


Tony Iommi isn't all that bad.  I used to think he was a hack, but after
listening to some of his later stuff (Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules) I changed my
mind.

Tim

    
    amen buck and dave!!
    
    (no surprise we still all agree) :')
    

    I gave those first two albums a listen a few months back and thought
    they were great. However, I felt quite sad on realising how young
    Randy Rhoads was when he died and quite shocked to think it is just
    over ten years since the event. I remember being on my way to Hammy 
    Odeon to see Maiden at the time of "The Number of the Beast", standing
    on a tube train wearing a Blizzard of Oz T-shirt. A guy next to me
    looked at the T-shirt and muttered something along the lines of
    "Such a shame." He then gave me the news that Rhoads had died the day
    before. Spooky.
    
    barry. 
    

    Brad with Ozzy seems to sorta "admirably fill the role" but I think his
    best stuff is with Night Ranger.
    
    IMHO his forte is the whammy bar.  I think he uses it more expressively
    and creatively than anyone else I've heard.
    
    

    I liked Brad Gillis's work with Night Ranger *much* better then his
    brief stint with Ozzy.  But I don't think anyone envied him having to
    come in and fill Randy's (giant) shoes for that tour.  While I liked
    Jake ok, Randy and Zakk are my favorite of Ozzy's guitarists.  
    
    His production, songwriting, and musicians have always been top notch. 
    It's no wonder he's managed to stay popular all this time.
    
    Tony Iommi?  He played some memorable stuff in early Sabbath, but his
    more recent material has just gotten worse and worse (IMO).  Besides, I
    don't have any technical respect for any professional guitar player
    who's stuff even *I* can play...
    
    gh

    
     I like Tony Iommi's playing. I thought there was some good stuff on
    Eternal Idol. Granted he is no techno whiz but I've always liked his
    style and sound, epecially some of the old Sabbath tunes and some of
    the stuff on Born Again.
                              mike
    

    He does some stuff which is so simple,i respect him for being able
    to play so simple (and so effective).
    
    Take the song Black Sabbath.
    
    BLING! BLONG! BLOWOWOWOWOW! BLING! BLONG! BLOWOWOWOW!
    

    
    Iommi roolz!  But then again, it's not always technical merit that I 
    judge a guitarist on - it's how much I enjoy his music.  Sure, Iommi's
    riffs are usually very simple (yes, everybody's first electric guitar
    playing started with bar-chording "Paranoid") but they're also very 
    memorable.  I give new Ozzy a chance, but only until I go back and 
    listen to "The Wizard" or "Snowblind" or "The Warning" I realize how 
    unsurpassable Ozzy/Iommi were.  
    
    I lauged when Dave mentioned Jake being good on the whammy bar, geez, 
    I used to think that's *all* he could play:  it tended to get
    monotonous.  Night Ranger was more suitable for that kind of hokiness 
    (not meant in a bad way), imo.
    
    Zakk?  Barf.  He's what I hate about metal guitarists today.  I won't
    go into why, I already know that statement won't go over big, but where's
    the beef?
    
    Ozzy/Randy went together very well.  Ozzy was still fiesty back then,
    though...  I wonder how much Ozzy changed becuase of losing Randy or
    just because he wanted to change.  I think his mellowing with age has 
    hurt him, musically speaking.
    
    - Sean

    
    Iommi was briliiant on Born Again.

    Iommi and brilliant?
    
     That's a double negative!!
    
               Friz
    

    
    
     Nothing wrong with Zakk, he gets some really killer tone. I just like
    Iommi's playing alot. Zakk may well be more technical, but I don't
    care. And Iommi did do some great work with Gillan on Born Again. That
    was the most fired up I've seen Black Sabbath for years. Way Crankin
    live. Can you say
    
    Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do brother,
    Zero the Hero.
    
                    love that tune
    
                                   mike
    

    
    Yeah, I rememember buying Born Again the first day it came out.  Major
    awesome work by Gillan on that one!
    
    - Sean

    >How do they get that crying bird sound during the keyboard break of "No
    >More Tears"?  
    
    Steel slide on electric guitar, slide up over pickups (off neck), delay
    effect on guitar.  Same effect used on the Skynyrd album on Free Bird.

    
    At the Mr. Tipps show someone yelled "Judas Priest".
    
    What a riot!

>    At the Mr. Tipps show someone yelled "Judas Priest".
 
Um, wasn't me.  Wish I'd thought of it, though... :-)

-- 
Kevin

    
    There was one table of people yelling stuff. Whether it was good or bad
    I don't know, I wasn't paying attention to them.

    NO!NO! guys��.��
    They get that"Cryin_Bird"noise while Ozzy is rippin the neck off a
    dove with his teeth.
    O.K,I'm kiddin   :-)
    Actually,on the"I'm comin_home"vidio,I ��thought it was great
    durin those scenes where those birds are flyin all around him
    and one lands on his face.Then they show him reachin to get it
    of him....But...Man..If that was a few years ago...
    
    
    
             Crazy_CHOMP!_GuLP_#_Al

    
    >At the Mr. Tipps show someone yelled "Judas Priest".
    > 
    >What a riot!
    
    
    	So, did you play any?  8^)
    
    							GTI

    
    No way, unless it was off of Painkiller.

    Painkiller is an excellant song,the only bad point is occasionally,
    Rob Halfords vocals kinda sound like Daleks from the tv series Dr.Who
    8)
    
                                                 Staynz
                               

    Well...I didn't want to write a review of no worth so I'm gonna write
    in a review from a local critic.  I don't like his views usaully but
    this one seems on the money. 
            FWIW-Written without permission from The Gazzette Telegraph
    by Todd Caudle.
    
        OSBOURNE SAYS FAREWELL WITH A REPLAY OF PAST SHOWS
    
         Denver concert promoter Barry Fey walked out onto the Red Rocks 
    Amphitheatre stage Tuesay to introduce the performer 10,000 kids had
    filled every seat to see. He had introduced Black Sabbath at the Denver
    Coliseum in 1971,he said, and this time he was ushering that band's
    former lead singer,Ozzy Osbourne, to a Colorado stage for the last
    time.  Osbourne has dubbed his current tour "No More tours."
     After waxing poetic about Osbourne, Fey yelled, "Let the madness
    begin!"
       Apparently oblivious to what had just been said onstage, Osbourne
    staggered onto the stage and repeated, "Let the madness begin!"
        It was that kind of night. The again, it was a typical Ozzy
    Osbourne concert.
         Osbourne came to Denver last November to play the 3,000 seat
    Mammoth Events Center as party of a warm-up tour of small venues. One
    would think, after seeing the smaller show, that something would be
    different in the larger open-air setting of Red Rocks. Unfourtunately,
    except for a few onstage video screens, the red Rocks show was
    virtually the same as last year's. And the year before.  And the year
    before that.
       Not much has changed for Osbourne. He still peppers his somgs with
    out-of-place endearments to the audience---"I love each and every one
    of you guys!" and "You're the greatest!" were the common themes---and
    expletetives. He can still manage to mangle his way through his
    songs,pushing his voice to extremes instead of concentrating
    on any sort of control, and his shows are still filled with excessive
    showboating by certain members of his band (Zakk Wylde is an excellent 
    guitarist, but wouldn't you rather hear another Ozzy or Black Sabbath
    classic than an 11 minute guitar solo? I know I would.)
    
     One uplifting aspect of the concert was Osbourne's fitness quest. Last
    November, he sported a leaner,meaner physique, and he seems to have
    maintained it. Not that it matters, since he's supposedly calling it
    quits, but an equal amount of time spent maintaining his voice would do
    wonders for his live shows. It can be done, since he proved how well he
    could sing when he controlled his voice for a few of the slower songs,
    like the encore of "Mama, I'm Coming Home."
       The concert was packed with enough standard Ozzy hits and stage
    shenanigans to satify his audience, however. He and the rocked through
    "Shot In The Dark" while Osbourne emptied a five-gallon bucket of water
    over his head , then sent another bucket into the front rows, promting
    one female fan to counter by lifting her soaked shirt over her head and
    baring her breasts to the band.
     As with last year's show, the few Black Sabbath tunes Osbourne dusted
    off were the show's highlight. "Paranoid" and "War Pigs" were so
    solid, all I could think of was that  it might be time for Warner Bros.
    Records to consider releasing a box set of the classic metal band's
    music.
    
           Osbourne relayed a fitting tour epitaph towards the end of the
    show when, looking back over his career, he said, "Thank you for
    letting me be Ozzy Osbourne."
          You're welcome.
    
     Osbourne was the headlining of a triple bill that also included
    Slaughter and improbable phenoms Ugly Kid Joe. It was Slaughter's
    fourth time at Red Rocks, an impressive feat for such a young band. But
    even though Slaughter is currently pushing its new album "The Wild
    Life," nothing was very different this time, either. As for Ugly Kid
    Joe, the band proved it has better material than that stupid hit
    "Everything about you," but not good enough to give it more than a
    slight notice.
    

    I picked up "No More Tears" tonite.... I don't know about the rest of
    you, but I *LIKE* it quite a bit....
    
    cool stuff.

    re -1
    
    Yeah, Mr. Tinkertrain and Zombee Stomp are my favorites..
    
    
    Jeff
    
    

    I think we ALL like it!!! It's a MOST excellent album.
    
                Friz
    

    I heard that the Ozzy concert at Great Woods might be postponed *again*
    because his wife is in the hospital-  Anyone have info on this?  
    
    Chad

Friz - Tell me again about Mr Crowley - COOL story (well, interesting
perhaps...).

jc (WHo KNOWS you love The Cure!)

       I'm still trying to figure the connection with Crowley and the
    Beetles.   Crowley is pictured on the cover of Sgt. Pepper album
    cover along with the many other faces.
    
    BJ

Jimmy Page lives in Aleistar (sp) Crowley's house.

Tim

    He used to but he sold it in the late 70's/early eighties!
    
    
    
                                               Staynz

    Wasnt that the house where Bonham died????
    
    
    Mark

	<insert haunting music here>

							-Seth

    Theres No Connection with the Beatles..
    
          Crazy_Every_One_is_On_that_Album_Cover_Al

> Friz - Tell me again about Mr Crowley - COOL story (well, interesting
> perhaps...).
    
    What's the story Friz?  You didn't shave your head and tatoo 666 on it
    did you?
    
    ".,...........MMmister Fris-by......What they've done to your head"
    
    :')
    
    

    HA!HA! No I didn't shave my head and no 666's for me! 
    
     Basically...I told Coop some of the stories from Hammer Of The 
    Gods because coop didn't know who Mr. Crowley was.
    
     I guess Robert Plant's little boy died after Page bought Crowley's
    house. Bonham died there and report say that black smoke was coming out
    of the smokestack the same day Bonham died and nothing was burning in
    the fireplace. 
    
       Mister Frizby....It's symbolic of course.
    

> I guess Robert Plant's little boy died after Page bought Crowley's
> house. Bonham died there and report say that black smoke was coming out
> of the smokestack the same day Bonham died and nothing was burning in
> the fireplace. 

Gawd, I love how these rumors get started! Plant's son died on the way to
the hospital, on the way from Plant's house. Crowley's ex-mansion had nothing 
to do with it. 

And Bonham also did not die in the Crowley mansion, he dies in one of Page's
other homes..... (Jimmy collected a lot of real estate in Britain).....

alan

    The book has been discredited by everyone but I still think the stories
    are fun.  
     I was too young to know so I don't know but what I read.
    
          Friz
    

> The book has been discredited by everyone but I still think the stories
> are fun.  I was too young to know so I don't know but what I read.

Don't blame the book (which I have right in front of me). The book clearly
states that Karac died in the way to the hospital, from Plant's home. AND
that Bonham died in Page's home in Windsor, no in the Crowley castle. So
I dunno where you got your info from, but it wasn't from 'Hammer Of The
Gods'.....

alan

    Alan: Doesn't it say Plant blamed Jimmy for Karac's death because of
    his interest in the occult?  I believe so...
    
    It's been awhile since I read the story so it's easy to mix up the
    houses but the "smoke from the house" story is in there.
    
    Personally I like the "Red Snapper" story.  8)
    
                       Friz     

	Yes, as Alan said it was his Windsor home, formerly owned by actor
	Michael Caine.  As for the Crowley house he either sold it or it
	drifted out to see.  Only said half-jokingly.  I doubt one of
	the biggest (only?) collectors of Crowley's artifacts, books,
	etc. would part with his house.

	- Jim

    There is a song from Ozzy with Kim Basinger at Number 10 in the
    UK-Hitlist.
    I don't hear the song for now, and I don't know the title of the song.
    Is there anybody who can write something about the song?
    
    
    Guenter from Germany who likes the Heavy Metal Note.
    Sorry for my bad English.
     

    It's called "Shake Your Head" and I think it's really a Was Not Was
    single featuring that unlikely pairing. Apparently both vocals were
    laid at different times which spared Miss Bassinger the experience 
    of bumping into the old bat-biter. I would'nt worry about your
    English Guenter as it's a lot better than my German.   8^)
    
    barry. 
    
                                                          

    Hey, if she can exchange body fluids with Prince, then I'd think doing
    a duet with Ozzy would be kinda boring ... 8^)
    
    Scary (gett offf)

    
    Just occurred to me.  Ozzy could take that title track and do a big
    commercial for Johnson's Baby Shampoo.
    
    You know, ... it's the .heeheehee.. the J&J formula, hahaha...and it's, 
    well....  ah, forget it!
    
    Frank (a summer-type employee)

    "Shake Your Head" from the first Was (Not Was) album featured only
    Ozzy (to my understanding).  Maybe Don remixed it with some Kim
    Basinger noises recently or something, but I have that album (vintage
    about '84-'85) and I don't remember that song having any female vocals
    at all.  Definately had Ozzy though, but they lost his familiar vocal
    effects, so he doesn't sound the way he does on his own albums.
    
    gh

	I thought David Bowie had just completed a song for a movie that
	Kim Basinger is in.

	- Jim

    
    I heard the song Friday Night. The Song is from Was not Was and
    features Kim Basinger and Ozzy. It is "Shake your Head".
    But it is not a Heavy Metal Song.
    It is more like Dancefloormusic. Like C&C Music Factory or something
    in this way.
    If you like Ozzy as a Heavy-Metal Singer you will hate this one.
    
    Ozzy please don't do this a second time.
    
    Guenter
    

    Must be a remix...

    Does anyone out there know the name of the classical piece thats
    usually played before Ozzy(the Leaping Lardball)comes on stage?I've got
    it going through my head and it's driving me nuts!
    
    
                                              cheers in advance
    
                                                   Staynz

    Don't know the name of it, but it's played during the movie The Omen,
    right?  Might be in the credits to that movie...
    
    Ken
    

    yup,you're right,it was in the Omen too.I'll find ou the title and
    blast it through my stereo late at night to scare the neighbours
    shitless!  8)
    
    
                                               Staynz

 >   yup,you're right,it was in the Omen too.I'll find ou the title and
 >   blast it through my stereo late at night to scare the neighbours
 >   shitless!  8)
    
    Hahahahaha! That would do it!!  (or that haunting piano thing from the
    Halloween films)
    
    See if you can find out what they're chanting in it...  Talk about
    difficult to hear!  
    
    sha-sha-sho-shi 
    rah-sha-roo-shi
    wishy-washy-woo-shi-rah 
    
    :')
    
    

	What's the Lemmy, Alice C. and Ozzy tune?  recent? old? non-existent?

 >	What's the Lemmy, Alice C. and Ozzy tune?  recent? old? non-existent?
    
    I was going to reply "what Lemmy, Alice C, Ozzy tune?" When I decided
    to do a search for 'Lemmy'.
    
    You're probably referring to the videotape Ozzy came out with last year
    that was somewhat a documentary on himself.  Everything from the start
    of Black Sabbath to now.  Alice and Lemmy are a couple of the people
    who comment on Ozzy.  Very cool tape I thought.  Can't remember the
    name of it though... "Ultimate Ozzy" maybe?....
    
    Ken
    
    

    It's called "Carmina Burana" --  an opera by Carl Orff... it's a
    collection of poems sung in latin.  It's really cool, you should check
    it out if you get the chance...
    
      Chad

    RE: -2
    
    The Ultimate Ozzy is a live concert tape, I think the one you are
    thinking of is "Don't Blame Me," right?  Some cool Randy Rhoads footage
    on there too!
    
    Chad

    re: -1
    
    Yeah, that's it... "Don't blame me"  Great footage!
    
    So then... there really is a song with Ozzy, Lemmy, and Alice C?
    An opera.... Poems sung in latin?
    
    Now I know I mustn't be the only one in here having trouble picturing
    Lemmy singing poems in latin!   :')
    
    Ken
    

    Oops, don't think I made things clear!
     
    Carmina Burana is the intro music to an Ozzy concert... kind of like
    Metallica's "The good, the bad, and the ugly" theme... 
    
    It's that cool stuff at the beginning of tribute right before 
    "I don't know" in caseany of you don't have a clue as to what I'm 
    talking about!!
    
     Sorry to confuse...
       
    Chad  

    Okay, confusion cleared!   
    
    (there's your answer Staynz!)
    
    Ken
    

    many thanks everyone,looks like I know what cd I'll be buying this week
    8)
    
    
                                                       Staynz

       Too bad Ozzy is retiring after this tour.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
       bummer
    
       T.Jensen

    Don't worry ... Ozzy's been retiring for years ... 8^)
    
    Probably still got a couple albums (plus a "live" and a "greatest hits"
    to do).
    
    Scare'

    Re: retiring
    
    Thank god!!
    
    All of these old fat once-devil worshipping, bat eating bands and
    singers have to go.  ;-}
    
    He was good about 20 years ago.
    
    Kiss still has about 10 albums left on their contract.  God help us
    all.
    
    S

    re: -1
    
    Well there goes the mistaken identity between POWDML::GOLDSMITH and
    POWDML::GOLDBERG.  Francine would NEVER have said anything like THAT!
    
    :') x �
    
    Ken
    

    
    
     I thought that the last release was great! There are some really
    rage'n tunes on it. If he is going to retire, at least he went out
    with a totally rulin piece of work! Thumbs up to Oz!
    
                                                          mike
    

    Agreed Mike!! Just don't don't go see the OZ man in concert....What a
    waste of money.  I can't believe all of these rough looking people
    have man this goofy man an idol??? He always has GREAT bands though.
    
            Friz
    

His latest album is definitely one of his best...

Tim

    re: -1
    
    YES!! 
    
    I think it *is* his best solo album not counting the Randy Rhoads ones.
    
    Mama I'm coming home just started playing on WAAF...  What a
    coincidence huh?    NOT!    (played alot, but I still like hearing it)
    
    Ken
    

    Dear_FRiz..
    I could easily be"Classified"as one of those"Rough_Lookin_People"
    Most of the past 20 years has not been too good for all of us.
    Most of Ozzy's True_Faith_Full have been thru All_Most as much
    crap as him.
    
       Crazy_Thats_Why_We_Worship_Satan_Al             :-(P)
    
                                                :_)

    YEA BUT...Al----Ozzy doesn't wear crushed velvet bellbottoms!!!
    
             Friz
    

    Ozzy rules and anyone who disagress is a total pratt. Imho 8^)

    I wouldn't disagree, but for the sake of argument...what's a pratt?
    
    'pril

    What the bloody hell are you you still doing there at this time of
    night?????
    
    
                                       

    Me ? I was at home listening to my new CD Hifi - amazing stuff and I
    was (surprise surprise) listening to Ozzy - killer stuff.

    Tone:Have you seen Ozzy live? I mean, I love his music but live he
    needs a walker. 8)
    
                 Friz
    

    
    I'm talking about his music.
    
    Ozzy his a musician, he's not supposed t be a fackin' ballet dancer is
    he ?
    
    -Tony 

    Lemmy,from Motor_Head,was on WAAF Satur_Day_Nite.
    The played a cut from their new album wich features Ozzy and Slash.
    It's a BALLARD!!!!!Yes!!!Motor_Head is goin A_Bit commercial!!!
    I like the song and how they work together on it.
    It's called"I'm_Not_A_Nice_Guy_After_All"
    
             Crazy_I_Think_I_Know_The_Feelin_Al

    Tony: Go back and read...I like the MUSIC ALOT!!!!!
       Ozzy isn't a musician...He a singer. 8)
    
                     Friz
    

       Has anyone ever seen Ozzy's very first album he was ever on?
    He was with a band in the early 60's called "The Magic Lanterns".
    This is no joke, even though Ozzy looks hilarious on the cover 
    of this record. The music on this album is no less than horrible.
    Ozzy is given credit on the record for playing bass and doing the
    vocals but it does sound like they are taking place when he's half
    asleep.
    
       After one look and one listen to this terrible record one could
    easily be convinced that he truly did sell his soul to the devil to
    acheive the level of greatness that he aquired not long afterwords.
    
       If you would care to check out The Magic Lanterns record there is
    a copy of it at Recycle Records that has been there for many years.
    One listen and you'll know why.
    
    
    Ozzy went down to the crossroads to make a deal with the devil.
    
    
    T.Jensen

    -1
    
    Why don't you start a note...861, for the Ozzy Osbourne Fan Club.  Ozzy
    can be president, and you can say you heard about it here FIRST!

    
    In the new "Guitar for the (occasionally) Practicing Metalhead", there
    are a few lines about Zakk.  It says:
    
    No, that's not Gregg Allman you'll be hearing doing lead vocals on the
    Stevie Wonder gem "I Wish", covered by CPR(Coven/Pitrelli/Riley) on
    their forthcoming fall release.  The voice belongs to none other than
    Zakk Wylde (contributing some pretty smokin' guitar licks as well),
    whose own solo demos are songs that show strong CCR/Allmans/Lynyrd
    Skynyrd influence.  Zakk reports that a new Ozzy Osbourne studio album
    is in the works as well as another live Ozzy package.
    
    Thought you fellow Oz-heads should know.
    
    Frank 
    

    
    	I was talking to my neighbor last night, and he said that he rem-
    	embers an Ozzy album with the title "The Ten Commandments" that
    	came out sometime around "The Ultimate Sin", I believe.
    
    	Does the album exist?  I've never heard of it.
    
    							GTI

    I never heard of it,either.
    I remember about 6 years ago Ozzy and Alice Cooper were supposed
    to put out an Album based on The_Life_and_Times of Jack_the_Ripper.
    I believe they started workun on it,but for some reason they Scrapped
    the Project.
    
                      Crazy_Wouldda_Be_Interestin_Al

    I don't remember that '10 Commandments' album either FWIW.
    
    |KS|
    

    Re: Shawn,
    	Are sure though?  It sounds like:
    	
    	 Malevolent Creation (The Ten Commandments) released couple years
    ago.
    
    -Dle
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    Shawn, I have that 'Ten Commandments' release on tape.  It's sort
    of a 'greatest hits', like Kiss Killers.  No unreleased songs or
    anything.  The songs are:   Crazy Train
    				Bark at the Moon
    				Flying High Again
    				So Tired
    				Shot in the Dark
    				Thank God for the Bomb
    				Little Dolls  (I think)
    				Diary of a Madman  (I think)
    				2 others I can't remember.
    
    
    	Steve

    
    	Did Ozzy do a duet with Lemmy Kilmeister recently?
    
    							GTI
    

    Yeah, it's on the new Motorhead album -- song is called "Ain't no
    nice guy after all" or some such nonsense

    GTi...
    
    don't know but I beleive he did a song with Lemmy KILMINSTER!
    
    BOnzo (Ever Helpful)

    Can any of the Brits confirm alleged sightings of Lemmy in a TV advert for 
    a savings/insurance company in the UK? I'll have to see this to believe 
    it.
    
    barry. 

    Yup i`ve seen it.
    
    It`s Lemmy on the phone talking about his finances or something,and
    then he notices the camera his on him,so he goes into the good old
    "er,and gimme 2 bottles of vodka,and a fluffy exploding bunny and
    blah,blah,blah".
    
    Aye,it`s midly amusing i suppose.
    
    

Ozzy has asked the original members of Black Sabbath to join him on the
final two nights of his last tour...

Tim

    
    Naaaaa, it's his last tour under the name Ozzy Osbourne. I think he
    said he was going to actually 'name' him and his band.
    
    
    

    re: -1
    
    really?  I thought it was going to be his last tour.... It would be a
    stupid move to re-name his band!!!  With the popularity he's got, why
    mess things up by removing his name from the band!!?
    
    BTW, Chris, have you heard the new Trouble?
    
    |KS|
    

    
    because he said, it's not fair to the rest of the band members who
    don't get as much recognition even though they do just as much work.
    
    
    Nope. My p_n is after da Shotgun Messiah tune by the same name!
    
    

    And what a bitchin' SM tune that is my dear boy!!!!!!!
    
           Friz
    

    
    	thought i would post this for people who may care....  these
    	are (to the best of my knowledge) the original lyrics to the 
    	song s.i.n. from the 'no more tears' album.  the recording i 
    	got them from is dated may of 1990... it is a studio demo cut.
    	the instrumental follows the released song closely, it is only
    	the lyrics that are different..... sounds like oz decided to 
    	scrap a tragic lost life song for one of paranoia and despair.
        on the demo the song is entitled "won't be coming home(s.i.n)".
    	wonder if he was thinking of randy when he wrote this....
    
    	enjoy... /brian
    
    	(slower intro)
    
    	shattered dreams lay next to broken glass
    	who could have know tonight'd be your last
    	now i'm left with just your memory
    	and you won't be coming home tonight
    
    	(tempo per released version kicks in here)
    
    	a whiskey driver twisted in your path
    	your life was taken from you in a flash
    	there is no reason just insanity
    	without the answer how can i be free
    
    	i can see you, i can see you
    	someone wake me when it's over
    	i can see it, i can see it
    	i can see it over and over again
    
    	i saw it happening like deja vu
    	i tried to tell you but i couldn't get through
    	and now the pity what a waste of life
    	i wish to god that you'd have seen the light
    
    	i can see you, i can see you
    	someone wake me when it's over
    	i can see it, i can see it
    	i can see it over and over again
    
    	whoa - who turned out the lights
    	whoa - a shadow in the night
    	whoa - it wasn't meant to be
    	you won't be coming home
    	you won't be coming home tonight
    	no no you won't be coming home
    	you won't be coming home tonight
    
    	(solo)
    
    	shattered dreams lay next to broken glass
    	who could have known tonight'd be your last
    	now i'm left with just your memory
    	i guess some things were never meant to be
    
    	whoa - who turned out the lights
    	whoa - a shadow in the light
    	whoa - it wasn't meant to be
    	you won't be coming home
    	you won't be coming home tonight
    	no no you won't be coming home
    	you won't be coming home tonight
    
    	
    	
    
                                                                 

    Hears on the radio this morning that Ozzy will play his last two shows
    of the tour with Black Sabbath but minus Ronny James, RJD says he's not
    gonna do it out of respect for Ozzy and Ozzy says he's (RJD) just being
    a snob! 
            Rat

    
    
     Yeah, I did hear that the last 2 shows in L.A. will be the original
    Black Sabbath line-up. I hope it is recorded, I'd like to hear that.
    I didn't know that Dio was even involved with any of this.
                                                                mike
    

  >  I didn't know that Dio was even involved with any of this.
    
    Well he was back with them on this last release so I guess thats why
    he's involved in any of it.
                               Rat

    
    Any reports on the OZZY/SABBATH reunion gigs???
    
    paul

    Yeah, Rob Halford is now out of the picture. Tony Bennett is looking
    like a contender and the whole thing will take place in Las Vegas
    or Atlantic City. Dinner jackets only, no sneakers y'hear? 
    
    :^)
    
    barry.

    ozzy/halford/sabbath=bunch of old farts!They've all had some good stuff
    but they're dragging out their careers waaaaaaaay too long!
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    
    Were'nt the reunion gigs meant to take place in Costa Mesa on November
    14th and 15th???
    
    
    paul

    Did anyone watch Ozzy on Whoopi Golberg show last night? He talked
    mostly of his addiction and living sober now but it was alright to
    watch.
          Rat

    
    I only saw a little bit of it.
    
    Did anybody tape it?  Can I borrow the tape?
    
    He looked pretty good... not like the fat sweating slob of years
    gone by...  glad to see he outgrew (and outlived!) his "Elvis" stage.
    

    I missed it... I wish I saw it!
    
    You at work Natalie, or just logged in from home?
    

    I was here but then I left and now I'm BACK!
    
    I thought he looked like shite! Can someone explain how is it that when
    he was on drugs he was a fat slob and now hes off he looks like a
    strung out junkie? Isn't it kinda backwards?
    
    All in all I thought the interview was good and Whoopi was great cuz
    shes actually a real fan!
                             Rat

    I think Whoopie was just Suckin_Up..
    No_Body can agree that much with Ozzy.
    
               Crazy_Exspcecially_Her_Al

    She was so "agreeable' more out of relating to his addictions cuz she
    had drug problems too!
                          Rat
    

    
    She's a talk show host, her job is to be agreeable.
    
    (Unless you're David Letterman, of course.)
    
    

Ozzy has a new live album out, recorded on the last tour. Talk is now of a
Black Sabbath reunion, with a tour starting late this summer.

alan

    oh dear.
    
    Bank balance is low again.
    

In the "It's Only Rock and Roll" category....

Dickie Betts, lead guitarist for the Allman Brothers, was arrrested over
the weekend (some kind of domestic dispute). Although the band bailed him
out of jail, he wanted to go home for a couple weeks to relax. 

So what do the Allman's do without their lead guitarist? Cancel the show
at Great Woods last night? No way! Instead the bring in another guitarist
to take his place......



				ZACK WYLDE!!!

Yup, it turns out that not only is Zack a total Allman's fan, but he even
used to play guitar in an Allman Brothers tribute band in LA before joining
Ozzy. So he came down yesterday, they had about 3 hours of rehearsals (some
Allman's *shows* go longer than that!), and away they went!

According the Boston Globe review this morning, Zack did a great job, and
it was a great show!

alan

    I wish you hadn't of said that.

    
    �                           -< used to like him too >-
    
    Funny, I used to hate him till now :^)

    I heard Steve Vai is going to be Ozzy's new guitarist.  Anyone else
    hear this?
    

    there was something about Steve playing Ozzie in July's edition of
    Guitar world.They were interviewing Zakk Wylde and he said something
    about it.
    
    
    
    						ian

    Yeah, originally it was going to be Satriani but when Ozzy heard that
    Vai was available he fired Satch.
    
    ;-)

    
    >Yeah, originally it was going to be Satriani but when Ozzy heard that
    >Vai was available he fired Satch.
    
    
    	I heard he fired Satch AND Morse when Vai accepted.
    
    	It was imminent, anyways ... if Ozzy had to warn Morse ONE MORE
    	TIME to stop kissing Satch's *ss he would have fired him anyways.
    
    							GTI

    Satriani would be better for Ozzy since he has SATAN in his last name.

    Satch isn't even worthy of getting fired with Morse.

    
    	New Ozzy on its way called "Ozmosis" Zakk Wyld plays guitar
    on it, and its still the same band, but Zakk won't tour with Ozzy.
    So its rumored Warren De Martini or (I'm not sure but I think the
    other name floating around was) Stevie Vai will replace Zakk on
    tour.
    
    Bobby T

Oh the emotion of it all!

    Dripping with emotion...
    
    Maybe they could get Steve Vai and Adrian Vandenberg to play...

    
    	Yo ... Adriaaaaan!!  8^)
    
    	What's he been up to lately?
    

    I would LOVE to see Steve Vai play with Ozzy Osbourne.
    
    Ozzy seems to know how to extract the most out of his guitarists.  I
    think almost without exception, that every guitar player whose played
    with him, did his best work while playing for Ozzy.
    
    I liked Steve Vai with David Lee Roth more than on his own.  Perhaps
    this is another chance to get more Vai like what we saw with Roth.

    
    I don't really cotton to Zakk myself...  Now why couldn't have Steve
    Morse gone to him!?  
    
    - Sean

    	Re a few back:  I too thought Vai with Roth was awesome, better
    then when he joined Whitesnake and solo. As a matter of fact, I think
    Roth's first line-up was better then Van Halen's new line up.
    I think Vai is better then Eddie, and Billy Shean (bassist (SP))
    is better then Micheal Anthony, although the drumming was pretty close,
    but I find Alex alittle repetitious and predictable.
    
    	I too would love to see Vai with Oz, but I would also like to see
    Warren aswell. Its too bad Zakk won't be playing, but either of these
    two would be fine with me.
    
    Bobby T

    Is Zakk Gonna Join G&R or What???

    he's more likly to join the Allman brothers given the chancd as he
    always seems to be on stage whenever he gets the chance!
    
    
    						ian

    > Will they hand out NoDoz at the gates for the new tour with Vai?
    
    No, actually they'll be handing out valium to deal with people who
    simply can't handle the emotion.

Vailum?

Tim

    
    Anybody got the scoop on the upcoming Ozzy CD?  Get this, I
    read that Ozzy's NEW guitar player is a guy named Jon Holmes
    (I know, it couldn't be...).  At any rate, this guy apparently
    studied with Randy way back and made the cut with Ozzy.
    
    I was also reading that one tune from the Steve Vai/Ozzy sessions
    *might* make it onto this CD 'cause Ozzy oldest son believes it
    to be the best EVER...and you know Ozzy:  Mr. Familyman (Bwaaah!!!)
    We'll see.
    
    I guess Zack Wilde did all the rest of the studio work but WILL 
    NOT due the tour.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    Heard that Ozz will be playing the Worcester Aud. in October
    sometime.
    
    

    
    what dates?
    
    
    					ian

    
    I've heard Oct. 13th (Friday the 13th!!) and I heard tickets were
    supposed to go on sale this coming Sat. 9/9/95. I haven't heard a thing
    about it on the radio though, not that I listen to it much with a 10
    disc changer in the trunk!
    
    Mike
    

    
    	Can't make it ... "Halloween 6" starts that day.
    

    are tickets being sold through ticket shafter?
    
    
    						ian

    
    	I'll probably just go right to the ticket booth at the cinema
    	and buy them.
    
    	I mean, do you really think the ticket agencies are going to
    	bother with "Halloween 6"?
    

    its the "RETIREMENT SUCKS" tour....
    
    SueJ

    Re: .568
    
    So Shawn, 
      ok who do ya tink would win if ya had a fight between 
    Michael Myers of Halloween 1-6, Jason of FT13 1-200 (or whatever),
    versus Ozzy Osbourne ?
    
    Now remember Ozzy is no crazed psychopath but a somewhat retired
    heavy metal rock star.  Plus Michael and Jason's heads are both
    somewhat larger than that of a bat's making it physically impossible
    for Ozzy to bite their heads off.
    
    Shane, who thinks the winner would be Ditka
    
    

    
    	Michael Myers would be my pick.
    

    
    what?the guy who was in Waynes world?
    
    
    							ian

    
    	Michael Myers is the "Halloween" psycho.  And he was using that
    	name while "Wayne" was still sucking on his thumb.
    

    
    so..are the tickets going to be from ticket shafter or what?
    
    
    
    								ian
    

    
    Ozzy's NEW guitarist is JOE Holmes.  Appearently he did a tour
    with David Lee Roth some time ago.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    I think this is the guy who played on the "li'l ain't enough" tour!Very
    non-descript player(at least he was in DLR band)hopefully he'll be
    better with Ozzy!
      Ozzy may be a sad old fart but he can pick outstanding guitar players
    
    
    btw..."he loves them all" hahahaha!I crack me up! 8)
    
    
    					ian

    
     Gee, I wonder what Animal Head he'll bite off for this tour ??? 
    
    /Bambi
    

    
    Has anyone heard anything off the new CD?  Is it out yet?
    
    
    

    
    Ozzy show for this Friday night at the Aud. cancelled due to leaky
    ceiling.
    
    Make-up date slated for January at the Centrum.
    
    

    
    
    leaky ceiling???what a big girls blouse!
    
    
    						ian

    It Probably Wasn't his Choice..

    
    	Leaky ceiling?
    
    	I heard that part of it fell down, actually.
    

    	Oz played in Montreal two nights ago, and in Toronto a night
    ago. Seems he's playing small arena's, hopefully he'll be back later
    in the tour, to do a BIG show. Haven't seen any reply's on Ozzy's
    new single, Perry Mason. They must play the thing about 10x's a
    day here, its a great song, but they're playin' the sheet outta
    it...
    
    Bobby T

Perry Mason sounds like an escapee off of No More Tears.  I have deja vu
everytime I hear it.  Not that I don't like it - I just think it sounds like
something off NMT

Tim

    Last Ozzy's release "Ozzmosis" was supposed to be out yesterday, the
    23rd.
    Anybody already got it ? Any review ?
    
    Fred.

    Well I haven't heard it yet but the guitarist in our band, who
    is a huge Ozzy fan so it may be biased, says that he heard two
    songs off the album and they were great.  He said there's one
    tune that in drop D tuning that just rocks.
    
    $10

    I hear Rick Wakeman (the keyboard player from Yes) plays on this album.
    
    Actually, I think Ozzy & Wakeman are an intriguing combination.  I'm
    hoping to get a chance to listen to it on one of those record store
    "play stations" before buying it though.   Haven't liked much
    post-Randy Ozzy.
    
    	db - whose Ozzy records are in the "R" section of his alphabetized
    	     CD rack

    
    I picked it up.  There are a couple tunes (a couple Osbourne-Butler-
    Wilde tunes) that rip!!!  There's one attributed to the Ozzy-Vai
    connection that does absolutely nothing for me.  Vocals all-in-all
    sound pretty cool; there's some things I'm not quite sure if I'm gonna
    dig in the long run.  Certainly polished-up enough to become another
    MTV winner with a seemingly dying breed of HM'ers.
    
    Kev --
    

    > There's one attributed to the Ozzy-Vai
    >connection that does absolutely nothing for me. 
    
    Is that the one that Ozzy's son supposedly told him to include?
    
    Ken
    
    

    
    It's got to be the one.  You can tell right off the bat...middle
    eastern vibed-out sitar-sounding Vai-type noodling for the intro.
    
    Other than the intro, it sounds like Zakk Wilde took what was
    started (or perhaps finished [?]), and recorded this one himself
    with the band mentioned in the liner.
    
    Kev --
    

    Does Wakeman have a very prominent role?

    
    Not as much as I would like to have seen.  Like the S. Vai
    collaboration, the sky's the limit and you know the talent's
    all there when you want to fire it up.
    
    Although there's certainly a decent amount of somewhat experimental-
    sounding stuff on the new one, I would like to have seen even more
    territory being blazed by Ozzy and co. in that vein.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    Check this out:  I picked up a rather rare bootleg of an Ozzy
    show from '81 at the Montreal Forum.  Yes, '81 means Randy was
    there!! -Cool.
    
    Interesting stuff here...pretty much the same songs from "Tribute",
    but Randy is ALL over the place improvising, substituting rhythms,
    fills-way more than what is on the "Tribute" CD.  "Paranoid" at this
    show RIPPED!!  Randy pulls off a solo that is anything but what was
    laid down on "Tribute".  Makes we wonder... (considering the time
    frame here..."Tribute" recorded in Canada late '81, this Montreal
    show obvoiusly somewhat close in the timeframe)...if Randy simply
    'made-up' a different solo for this number each night?
    
    Other noteworthy tunes:  "Crazy Train"- fills extrodinaire here!  
    "I Don't Know"- absolutely rockin' rhythms happening...great fills
    not found on the other recording.
    
    You can feel the high energy in Montreal that night.  As for sound
    quality:  not bad at all; much better than some other stuff I've got.
    
    Kev --
    

    Simple question?
     * Is ozzmo... worth buying considering it has reached #4 on
       the Bilboard charts 
    Waiting for your replies, eagerly ...
    
    shake.
    

    
    RE: -1
    
    Well, I got 2 weeks ago, and I like it. Sounds like "No More Tears"
    IMO. Only 10 tracks included but some of them are worth the investment
    (Perry Mason, Thunder Underground, Tomorrow...).
    This album is purely Ozzy's style with a high recording quality level:
    it just sounds great on my headphones.
         
    Fred.

    .-1 & -2
    
    I'll be getting it I guess.
    
    Shake ( who thinks BS "W A S" one of the greatest ever)
    

    
    	And Zakk still wails, of course.
    

    Get the album, it's excellent!
    
    Some of the songs remind me a lot of the sound Ozzy had the last few
    years he was with Black Sabbath.
    
    Ken
    

    Zakk is no longer with Ozzy ... he's got some new guy now

    
    	His name was listed in the credits.
    

They should be, he played on the album...

    I don't like most Ozzy.  What I like is Randy Rhoades with Ozzy.
    Not a Sabbath fan, not a Zakk fan nor any (previous) post-Randy
    effort.
    
    Given that... would I like this album?
    
    	db
    
    p.s. I am a Rick Wakeman fan

    
    	Well, Dave, apparently not.
    
    	If you've already conditioned yourself not to like any other
    	Ozzy guitarist besides RR, then your mind is already made up
    	not to like this [or any other] Ozzy album without RR on the
    	guitar.
    
    	Zakk very well could be as good as RR, but I can't say that
    	he is, nor can I say that he isn't.  All I know is that he's
    	a very good player, and that I like to listen to him play.
    	As I liked to hear Jake E. Lee play.
    
    	If you like Rick Wakeman, listen to a Yes album.  If you like
    	Ozzy, buy the new Ozzy album.
    

    The fact that I'm asking if the album is any good should tell you that
    I'm not conditioned to not like any other Ozzy guitarist besides RR. 
    It should tell you that I'm inclined to find out about it rather than
    just dismiss it.
    
    	db

    
    No more tears!
    
    bloody good post Randy album!I love Zakks tone.
    
    
    					ian

    I am however conditioned not to like Eric Clapton but...   I'm hardly
    going to make any excuses for that.
    
    ;-)

    
    >I don't like most Ozzy.  What I like is Randy Rhoades with Ozzy.
    >Not a Sabbath fan, not a Zakk fan nor any (previous) post-Randy
    >effort.
    
    	This is how I understood this paragraph:
    
    	I don't like most Ozzy. +
    	I like RR with Ozzy.    +
    	I don't like Zakk.
    	-----------------------
    	Won't like it		=