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    I've never heard much megadeth stuff but I'm gonna see them live
    at Castle Donnington Monsters Of Rock in August.
    
    May you mosh in mush
    -Tony

    
    Ive seen both bands(Ant & Meg).  Both put on great shows.  Anthrax
    has more humor in their show.  When they do I am the man the place
    will go wild I guarrentee it!!
    
    Megadeth is there more to play and dont really loosen up.  Ive seen
    mega twice once at the Paradise in Bos and the 2nd time was with
    Dio on the Dream Evil tour.  They had good muzik but werent real
    friendly w/the audience unlike Anythrax(who by the way I saw w/Metal
    Church at the Paradise in Bos).
    
    Both will give you your moneys worth  8^)
    
    Bk
    

    
    I agree with .3 
    
    They both have an energetic stage show, but Anthrax is more fun.
    
    
    Paul
    

A comment on Dave Mustaine - he is the only LA rocker in 'The Metal Years'
that came across as half-way intelligent. And Megadeath provided the 
best live action of the film also. So even though I'm not their biggest
fan, I do respect them more now.

cat

    
    	I own one MD album, "So Far, So Good, So What" and I 
    like the band. BUT... does anybody else feel that they'd be
    MUCH better if they had someone else sing instead of Dave
    Mustaine??? The guy can't sing, and makes up for his lack
    of vocal ability with falsetto and growls. 
    	Also, I think he doodles too much on guitar, all the time.
    His playing style is probably recognized as Megadeth's sound,
    though, I don't know.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
     RE:-1
       The man can sing I love his voice listen to the bridge in the
      song Liar,now after listening to that come back and say he can't
      sing.Look to see if he takes a breath if he does I haven't noticed
      it.Also his vocals have changed slightly from album to album.
    
    
    				M
    				 B
    

    re:7
    	I listened to Liar reeeeeaal close, and you're kinda right,
    he stays on key at least, but I still think he's a *weak*
    singer. The music's still great, though.
    	I'll have to check out other albums.
    
    	And please... everybody please listen to liar and see if he
    takes a breath in "that" part of the song (you'll know what I mean
    when you hear it). I don't think there's any way... he musta done
    5 words at a time, and then dubbed them all together. 
    
    /Motorbreath

    I have 'Peace sells..' and 'So far, so good, so what', but what
    i want to know is, is 'Killing Is my business...' any good,cos
    i have been thinking about buying it.
    
    Jaberwocky.

    
    	Yea it's good.  And like the other albums it's not quite the
    same .  All three are a little different...which is good.  You'll
    like it.
    
    Bk
    

    Right then it will be my next purchase, cheers!!
    
    Jaberwocky.

    I just acquired "Peace Sells..." last night (I'm listening to it now!).
    I REALLY like this album!!!  This has got to be one of the best I've
    gotten in a long time!  What's their other stuff like? 
    
    I kind of shyed away from them before because of the name.  I figured
    they'd be death metal, which turns me off (no Slayer), but they
    aren't.  I'm sorry I waited so long.
    
    gh

                The first  one  is  pretty  good,  although a bit
                rawer sounding, and  the latest has a great sound
                to it, but I  don't  think  it's quite as good as
                Peace, though it is still  a good album.  You are
                listening to their best.
                
                - Rob -
                
                

    
    	Re Gh
    
    	Killing is my business ..and business is good.. is the first
    effort by the origional line up with a raw crunchy sound.
    
    	Peace sells but whose buying  is IMO the best of the three.
     It's got more of a polished sound but still got a good metal punch.
    AND...it has the origional line up.
    
    	So far ...so good...so what  is the best sounding but a new
    line up kind of reduces the punch..too bad though.  Its good but
    in a diff way..
    
    BK
    

    
        I heard "Peace Sells ..." on one of the "Rock Shops" over
        the w'end and I love that song!!
    
        I think I'm gonna get the CD soon.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    I can't read that personal name too well with my tube, but if it
    says Rejek...that's the name they used for that nasty evil entity
    which was called Jack the Ripper on Earth, then moved on.
    
    gh

    
        Well, I've finally joined the elite club of H_Mists own-
        ing speed-metal CDs ... I bought "Peace Sells ..." at
        lunchtime today.
    
        I can't wait to listen to it!!
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Do speed-metal CDs turn faster than regular ones?
    
    gh

    
    
    
    	re:-1
    
    
    	agagagagagagagagaga! I like it!
    
    	Does that also mean that a regular Heavy Metal CD is heavier
    	than the other regular ones?
    
    	HOLLYWOOD..........................:'0  ;')  :'0  ;')
    

    
        Well, I listened to it in the car this morning ... here are
        my thoughts:
    
        1)  They are great musicians.
        2)  I love "Peace Sells ..."
        3)  However, the rest of the songs I'm not overly impressed
            with ...
    
            a)  I couldn't understand a word they said
            b)  On a couple songs the vocals were 'behind' the instr-
                uments ... as if the lyrics weren't as important as
                the actual song.
    
        Basically I paid $15 for the title track.
    
                                                       GTI

    
    
    	Shawn the lyrics are hard to get used to even for
    	 people that listen to alot of Speed/Thrash.
    
    	The more you listen the better you understand.
    
    	Listen to"Wake up dead , Supersticious, Devil's Island" 
    
    	M
    	 B

    Now your talking M
                      B!!!!!
    
    Shawn, thrash is like a delicacy...you have to work your way into
    loving it. Peace Sells is a good start....but Mike's ideas are
    really good too.....:')
    
    ttfn>

    Shawn,
    
    I have Peace Sells on a tape with a bunch of other groups.  I can
    barely hear the words.  Is it the same way on your tape or are
    these "bunch of bands on one tape" recordings just poor quality.
    
    Chris D.

    
        RE: Chris
    
            Sounds like your tape - I recorded the song "Peace
            Sells ..." on a TDK and it sounds fine ... that's
            really the only song I can hear/understand the words
            on.
    
            (And if it sounds good on a TDK then it'll sound good
            on anything!!)
    
            8^)
                                                       GTI
    

    Shawn,  This was a store bought tape.  It has Megadeth, Dio,
    Metalchurch, Stryper, etc.  The other songs sounded fine.
    Thanks for the offer but I'll probably buy it.  Then if I like it
    I'll record it on another tape, then sell the original to my daughter
    for half price.  Hey, I may as well get something back. :^)
    
    Chris D.

    
    I just bought Killing Is My Business.It's great once you learn the
    songs.I love that Mechanix tune.It's Metallica's "Four Horsemen"
    tune that Dave helped write when he was in the band.BUT.The lyrics
    are twisted around.
    
                     Nobody does it better,
                     At turnin the screws than me
                     I do it for my life...F**k ya!
                     Made my crankshaft spin
                     Made my pistons bulge
                     Made my ball bearings melt from the heat!!!!!!!!
                     Oh Ya Ya!
    
                Metallica's Four Horsemen:
    
                     
                     ..On leather steeds they ride
                       They come to take your life
                       Under the dead of night
                       We the four horsemen ride
                       So choose your way and die!!!!!!!
                       Oh Ya Ya!
    
         Dave M. is telling Metallica to piss off.In so many words.
    
    
                            DEEBS
         

    I got "So far, So good, So what..." a few days ago and was pretty
    disappointed.  While I liked Peace Sells which had some strong songs
    on it, this one seems kind of lame and repetative.  Perhaps I need
    to listen to it again, but there didn't seem to be anything really
    noteable.
    
    gh

    
    
    
    I believe its
    
    So choose your *fate* and die..
    
    I think..
    
    No biggie
    
    F.

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    	I'm thinking about buying the three Megadeth albums:

		Killing is my business....and business is good
		Peace sells....but whose buying
		So far...so good...so what

	Which is the best album - what are they like live and
	can someone give me a line-up and a full discography?


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    re .0
    
    Buy the first one, the rest can be burned!
    
    /prc

    Ooops, sorry!  No wonder I couldn't find a note for Megadeth - you've
    spealt it wrong!
    
    Flip

    
    	Hmmm ... I'm usually good at catching spelling errors.
    
    	It's spelled correctly now.
    
    							GTI
    

                i disagree pete ...
                
                peace sells is my first choice, then so far, then
                killing is my  business.    peace  has  the  best
                music, but so far has the best production.
                
                

    I like So Far, So Good, So what !

    BK played Peace sells to me and I kinda liked it!  Been searching
    for it back in the UK and can't bleeding find it anywhere!
    
    Flip

    I haven't heard "Killing is my business...", but of the other two, I'd
    pick "Peace Sells..." first, even though "So Far, so good..." has my
    favorite song they do.  ("In My Darkest Hour"!)
    
    gh

    
    
    1.  Peace Sells....
    
    2.  Killing is....
    
    3.  So Far....
    
    
    Paul

    I think that Peace Sells... is their best followed not to far behind by
    So Far..  I like the old guitarist too, just a little better than the
    new one.  I think it jams a little more.  Killing... is alright.  It's
    old, and poorly produced so it turns me off a little.
    
    Any word on the new LP?  I heard sometime early next year.  Hopefully
    they'll put some more stuff on it.  So Far... was 10 songs for 38
    minutes.  Kind of a lame LP.

    
    
    	I've heard that the NEW git is the dude from RAVEN...and that
    they were in the studio....
    
    That is all...
    BK
    

    Megadeth, are f**king great!! They put on a great show.  I saw them at
    the Orpheum.  All three albums rule!!! Killing - is a little rough. 
    
    re. 5 - I definately agree Megadeth were the only decent band in that
    movie, they rest just made fools out of us and themselves
    
    re. 6 - I LOVE THOSE GROWLS!!!
    
    Just bought Dave's new single, "No more Mr. nice guy"  I don't know why
    I bought it, probably cuz it makes me laugh.  Dave's so funny,  He
    always has that pissed off attitude.  Perfect song for him to re-do.

    
    Alright, Dave, what's going on here?
    
    I just saw the video for "...Nice Guy" and also saw The Metal Years and
    Dave went through all the typical bullsh*t like, "well, I don't do
    those videos, and I'm not going to sell out".
    
    What is it with bands who have "morals" and then sell out?  You'd think
    since they are constantly being documented that they would keep their
    words, at least for their own posterity.  I guess the dollar signs are
    more important than values.  Oh, well.
    
    Steve

    Why is doing a video selling out?  METALLICA did one.  Do you think
    they sold out?  I can understand if Dave did like 30 vids like Bon
    Jovie or Def Leppard.  But, to my knowledge he's only done 4.

    I only said that because he said that he wouldn't do those kind of
    things, and second because that song is kind of goofy for Dave to be
    doing.  Kind of a poor vid as well.
    
    S

    Personally I don't see making videos as selling out.  I like to be able
    to see my favorite groups performing and in a lot of cases, my only
    opportunity to do that is in videos.
    
    I wish more of the real heavy bands would shoot videos!
    
    gh

    
    	I LOVE teatament's Vid... Trial by fire...and Ballad...
    
    BK
    

    
    	Oops.... that Testament....not teatament...
    
    BK
    

    as a HEAVY metal band, or speed metal band, you 
    CAN'T sell out by making a video. Most severe-metal bands
    have made videos, if not all of them, you'll just never see them,
    unless you stay up for HBB.
    
    	It's not selling out, I'm glad the bands do it... it's cool
    to see metal bands play (I mean metal I like, like BK said, Testament,
    Coroner's vid's cool, etc. etc. Anthrax, etc.)
    
    /Motorbreath

                It's too  bad  the  latest video/song is so lame.
                Sounds like something  I'd  expect to find on Def
                Leppard's next album:  "Meglomania"
                
                - Rob -
                

    
    
    Have to agree that Dave's "No more Mr. Nice guy"  makes me laugh wicked
    bad every time I hear it.
    
    re. 48 Yah!!!  I love all of Testaments videos!!!  But, then again I
    think those guys are f*ckin great!!!!!
    

    It's not the Megadeth vids that bother me.  I LOVE Peace Sells and
    Darkest Hour and Wake Up Dead, etc...
    
    It's just the new thing...  I don't know.  Don't mean to make a fuss. 
    Watch The Metal Years again, and you'll see what I'm saying.
    
    S

    Whatta mean?  I have seen the metal years explain yourself.  
    
    I know dave's made some vids but it's not like he's up on stage with
    spandex pants puffed up hair jumping all around and winking at girls. 
    Yah know.  There's definately a difference.
    

    It's the whole thing about principles.  Like, Dave said one thing, and
    I don't remember what it was, but the "Nice Guy" vid left me with a bad
    taste in my mouth.
    
    Don't ask...
    
    S

    Well, Metal Years was filmed what..three, four years ago?  That's quite
    awhile.  Perhaps Daves opinion on the subject has changed.  Metallicas
    opinion on it changed.  I don't see a problem...
    
    gh (who'd really like to see the vids for "Wake Up Dead" and "Darkest
    Hour"!!)

    Definetly look for "Wake Up Dead"  Really cool video.  Hundreds of kids 
    tearing down a fence to get to the show...  "Darkest Hour", or part of
    it was in Metal Years.
    
    S

    I saw that section of Darkest Hour from Metal Years...  Definately
    sounded good there.
    
    gh

                I borrowed  a VHS recording of the `Best of HBB -
                1988' and saw an interview with Dave Mustaine and
                Jeff Young.  DM seemed  to make sense to me about
                issues of HM.  (The one that sticks in my mind is
                the one about a kid dieing with  an  Ozzy tape in
                his  pocket and immediately all HM is bad,  where
                nobody seems to notice if a kid dies with a Barry
                Manilow (sp - but who cares ?  :^)) tape  in  his
                pocket.)  
                
                I'd  have to say that I think I know what Steve's
                refering to.  Like `Anarchy in the U.K.' at first
                turned me off when  I  heard the opening line, `I
                am an anti-christ', but then  I  just  thought to
                myself, `PAH !  Just lyrics !'  
                
                JMHO
                
                METALord"�

    
    Deth release their cover of Alice Cooper's No More Mr Nice Guy this
    month.  They are in the studio working onsome new material but there
    are still only Dave Mustaine and Dave Ellefson in the band.
    
    Flip

    That can be found on the soundtrack to "Shocker" .... not really worth
    the $$$ IMO.  Santa brought the CD to my son for Christmas, it got
    played once ..... yuk !
    
    
    
    				Scary
    

    Dave and Dave have tried, unseccessfully, to recruit Heathen guitarist
    Lee Altus and Annihilator's Jeff Walters......although they have been
    joined by drummer Nick Menza.
    
    Flip

	Bits copied form Kerang! without permission
    
	Dave Mustaine:

	"We just want people in the UK to know that despite the 
	rumours and heresay, Megadeth is really healthy right now,
	and can't wait to make 1990 the biggest year in the band's
	history."

	"I'm sure you'll understand that I can't really disclose
	any details of the Megadeth line-up at the moment (that's
	coz he hasn't got anyone other than Dave Ellefson! -Flip)
	but Kerrang! will be notified as soon as we can tell you."

	"Megadeth is coming back, real powerful.  I'm real excited
	by the (demo) tapes we've been doing.  I can tell you that
	I'm just as uncompromising as ever!"

	Megadeth will go in the studio over the next few weeks and
	plan to release the new lp in the summer.

	"At the moment, we're lookiing for a producer, as you know,
	we've never ended an album with the same producer we started 
	with.  I am looking for someone who can make constructive
	criticisms on the material - someone I can work in conjunction
	with who's not afraid to speak up to Dave Mustaine."

	Problems on the 1988 Irish tour where he made seemingly 
	sectarian comments onstage...  (It's a damn good job BK ain't
	around to comment on this bit! -Flip)

	"I was very ignorant of the situation when I went over there.
	Like alot of people I wanted to say I have Irish ancestry.  Now
	I've learnt that if you're not full-blooded Irish, then shut
	the F*CK up, y'know?"

	"I've learnt alot more about the problems since we were there.
	I've written a song that will be on the new album about what
	happened.  I just hope that they'll have us back, because I 
	really want to play there again."

	Megadeth's current single, No More MR Nice Guy is at number 
	18 in the UK charts:

	"It's an indication that we did it right, UK fans are always very
	intelligent and aware. (8^) -Flip) We're not exempt from any
	criticism for doing it, but it's not a Megadeth song, it's an
	Alice Cooper song selected by Wes Craven."

	"I think that if it gets more people turned on to what Megadeth 
	is about, or what Speed Metal is about, then it's doing a job and
	breaking down boundaries..."

	On Desmond Child:

	"Yeah, well... Desmond had his way of doing it, and I had mine.
	And we ended up doing it *my* way..."

	Flip
    

    
    The new album looks likely to be released in August.  Marty Friedman
    has joined the band on guitar and Nick Menza is the new drummer.
    
    Song titles will include - Lucretia, Hanger 18, Tornado of souls,
    and Holy wars.
    
    Flip

    
    
    YAH!!!  Let's hope it's a good one!!! - Kim

    
    Marty Freidman joining Megadeth ?
              
    Oh gawd...

    
    
    This may be a silly question but, who is Marty Freidman????

    
    I think he used to be in Cacophony.
    
    ...or sommit like that.
    
    Flip

    Marty Freidman and Jason Becker were in Cacophony...a super
    speed/thrash metal band from SF.  Jason has joined with DLR, 
    and it looks as if Marty has gone with Dave Mustane.  I think
    it'll be a good marriage between them, although Marty can out
    play the sh(t out of Dave!!!  Marty is one hellish guitarist!
    
    B.

         
                                                             
    Hmmm.... Marty was always more exotic than your average shredder.
    Some of the scales he uses ain't your typical harmonic minor or
    mixolydian stuff. That guy employees some interesting ideas.
                                                                
    He has chops that Mustaine (who sucks anyway) can only dream of.
         
    -Tony

                It definately oughtta be interesting!
                
                - Rob  who's trying to decide between a Sega or a
                Turbografix 16 -
                

Megadeth's expected release of the lead off single "Holy Wars" has been
shelved due to the current situation in the Middle East.  An alternative
from their new album "Rust in Peace" has not yet been decided.

Flip
    

    I read back a few replies and couldn't believe that nobody has put a
    review of "Rust In Peace" yet !  Here goes ...     8^)
    
    IT RIPS !!!   Keep in mind that I'm not a big Megadeth fan at all, so
    this album had to really knock my socks off, and it did !
    
    Mustane's voice still gets on my nerves, but the guitar work is primo. 
    The songs develop good moods, and it's not all balls-to-the-wall thrash
    either.  Some real heavy stuff here too.    I like it a lot ...
    
    Scary

    Me too, I'm not a Megadeth fan but "Rust in peace" is very fine,
    especially the guitar work.
    
    Sorin                          

	I think that Megadeth's new(est) release "Rust in peace" is great.
	I was never a big Megadeth fan (because I have never really listened
	to them).  After hearing "Holy Wars.." (which is not just a good song
	but also good for personal names) I had to hear more, and what I heard
	I liked.  Does any one suggest any other releases.



							-Slash

    Killing is my Business/and Business is good.

    Peace sells but who's buying?
    
    So far..So good..So what...
    
    
    
                                     DEEBS

    what are the megedeth's heaviest/thrash albums?
    
    Eric.
    

    The entire discography !   Seriously  ...
    
    Scary (who loves the new one, hates the older ones ...)

    Agreed, Megadeth's stuff is all thrashy.  My favorite is "Peace Sells",
    but I haven't heard the new one.  I did hear one song from it and it
    really ripped!  I'd think Marty Friedman would add a lot to the band.
    
    gh

    
    Rust in Piece.
    
    
    
    
                                  DEEBS

    
    The first one is the best IMHO.

    
    Ya mean Killing is me business?  I prefer So far, so good, so what.
    
    Flip

    
    TEN THOUSAND UP FRONT
    
    TEN THOUSAND WHEN I'M THROUGH
    
    
    
    
    It gives me great pleasure to say my next job is YOU.
    
    
    
    
    
                                   DEEBS

    I heard a copy of the new Megadeth album today and was very impressed. 
    I believe that this is their best yet!  Marty Friedman really does
    augment the band a lot.  I'm gonna be crankin this one for some time!
    
    gh

    Copied from Kerrang! without permission:
    
    Megadeth Motormouth Dave Mustaine has defended his decision not to play
    any gigs in Northern Ireland following the controversy that arose after
    the show at the Antrim Forum in May 1988.
    
    The band play just one show in Ireland, south of the border at Dublin
    Point Depot April 1st.  Mustaine said that the band could not come back
    to Northern Ireland at the moment, " because of what happened the last
    time I was their, with my drunken outbursts.
    
    "I feel I have to re-evaluate our purpose for going back and begin to
    repair our relationshop with our fans.  I don't think I can honestly
    say that I don't want to play there again, but for now we will just
    have to see how Dublin turns out."
    
    He did not rule out the appearance in the province some time in the
    future, saying that it was very possible but it would depend alot on
    how the Dublin show went.
    
    It remains to be seen if fans of the band will risk travelling to
    Dublin in what could well be a very politically charged atmosphere.
    
    During the 1988 Antrim performance, Mustaine told the crowd that he had
    Irish blood and that "Ireland should be given back to the Irish".  He
    also dedicated songs to "the cause" and shouted "victory to the IRA". 
    Certain sections of the crowd then spat and threw missiles at the band. 
    Some tried to climb on stage but were held back by security men.  After
    the concert, Mustaine, who was obviously drunk, was ushered off the
    stage by his tour manager and it was later reported that the band left
    the town under a police escort to protect them from rioters outside the
    Forum.
    
    Following the incident and many letters of complaint, Mustaine, whose
    mother is Irish, went on the record to apologise for his outburst at
    Antrim.  He said that he had not fully understood the situation in
    Ireland and that his naivety had been exploited by people he had met
    during the Irish tour.
    
    The incident made such an impression on the musician that he wrote Holy
    Wars about the experience which reached number 12 in the UK singles
    chart late last year.
    
    Although widely believed to be written specifically about the situation
    in the Middle East, the song was actually an apology to the fans he had
    offended and also a statement against wars caused by religious
    differences.
    
    The lyrics included:  Fools like me who cross the sea/And come to
    foreign lands/Ask the sheep for their beliefs/Do you kill on God's
    command?/Up on my podium as the know-it-all scholar/Up on my soapbox,
    leader, out to change the world/Down in the pulpit, as the holier than
    thou/Messenger of God.
    
    Now Mustaine urges fans to forget what happened saying:  "I was
    misinformed and didn't understand what I was talkinf about."
    
    He added that he is personally against all violence about religion and
    hopes fans will forget their differences and enjoy the show.
    
    Flip

    As much as I like Megadeth,one fact remains,he *has*got one hell of
    a big mouth and should shut up now and again.
    
    
                           Staynz

    Basically, Mustaine is a prize prick. 

    Caught Megadeth's video for "Hanger 18" on the Headgiv...er...Bangers
    (yeah, that's it) Ball last night and thought it was really cool!  Good
    tune too.  
    
    The aliens featured looked pretty wild, but not terribly realistic
    (like I really know what an actual alien would look like, anyway, but I
    didn't think they looked very real...)
    
    Anyway, it made me feel bad for 'em.
    
    I think Dave Mustaine's face has frozen in that ugly sneer, it makes
    him look much older then he is.
      
    gh

    
    re: .87
    
    Agreed!
    
    /prc

    Yo Greg, aliens look like regular people. Didja ever see Soap? It took
    a long time before anyone knew there was an alien Burt. Them aliens
    sure is tricky. I think JJ and SueJ might be aliens cuz no Earth people
    could possibly like JonBomb(tm) that much.

    JonBomb is an ALIEN!!!!

    
    I don't really like megadeth, but hanger 18 is a great tune.

    
    
    I never really got into them either.. but that new album kicks!
    	BIG TIME!
    
    
    Jim-

    The new album is far superior to the previous ones IMO.  The old ones
    were really inconsistant, there'd be a few good songs and a bunch of
    pulp.  This one on the other hand is consistantly good.
    
    Tony, if you like Hanger 18, give the album a try, that song is a
    pretty good example of the rest.
    
    gh

    
    	Any of you "understandable lyrics" people out there have an
    	opinion?  Can you hear what is being said?
    
    	I know most people don't care about lyrics, but I do.
    
    	Thanks.
    
    							GTI
    

    >	Any of you "understandable lyrics" people out there have an
    >	opinion?  Can you hear what is being said?
    
    Of course not, Dave Mustaine's still singing for them...
    
    gh 

    Isn't the song about how the government has a secret hanger
    in the middle of the desert somewhere and that's were they do 
    experiments on "ALIENS" that are found in the country.....
     ALIENS= Outer space people not from this earth...
    
                       Will someone straighten MARTY's hair
    ugh!       And someone please kick Dave M.
    
                           May he RUST IN PEACE...
    
                              Frizkid
    

    
    re: -1
    
    Being the UFO expert in here, I can enlighten. The song is about a
    movie, which was based on an incident that took place in Roswell
    New Mexico in 1947. AF records and documents I have show that an 
    unidentified craft crashed at the site and 2 to 3 alien bodies were 
    recovered as well as the craft itself.
    
    I don't want to get into a UFO discussion here. If you're interested
    see   WIDGET::UFOS  (which I moderate).
    
    /prc

    I thought there was more to the story then that, Pete?  What I thought
    I remembered was that the aliens were still alive and they did medical
    experiements on them (kind of like what Megadeth depicted in the
    video).
    
    I didn't realize there was a movie, is it the same name, "Hanger 18"?
    
    gh

    
    re: -1
    
    Yep, movie is by the same name.
    
    Hanger 18 is kind of like a gathering of a bunch of UFO crash
    incidents. There was one or two where at least one live alien was
    taken into captivity (known affectionately as Krill). I don't
    have alot of information about this in particular, just second
    hand information about top secret documents so I don't know if
    experiments were done, but I believe so. Weird stuff I know, but
    I got alot of juicy stuff about the whole phenomenon.

    Sounds interesting!  How old is the movie?  Is it readily available at
    the video rental places?
    
    Thanks, 
    gh

    
    	I think it's "Hangar 18", not "Hanger 18".
                          -
    							GTI
    

    
    The place I used to work at had it years ago. Should be available.

    I'm not much of a MegaDeth fan, but this album is VERY cool.
    Marty Friedman (sp?) brings a lot to this band...Like, now
    you can listen to the whole album without power-vomiting (something
    I could never accomplish with So Far and Peace Sells...
    
    I agree with Greg; the older stuff had some good spots but had a lotta
    crap between the good songs...  Rust In Peace seems to be the other
    way.
    
    Yeah, lets check it out Greg.  Sounds like a plan.
    
    Pete, I did a "set note/conf=..." on your reply.  Can I read about
    it in there ??
    
    jc
        

    Kindda great about all the sightings in N.H.
    Funny that all the ones I heard about happen on Sunday Nite/Morning.
    
       Crazy_Alright_I'll_take_it _to_WIDGET::UFOS_Al

    
    re: .104
    
    Yep, There's a note about the Roswell incident.
    
    /prc

    
    Possibly I have seen to much
    
    Hanger 18
    
    I know too much
    
    
                                   DEEBS

    re::-1 
    
             Their ARE after you...
    
    
                          We must find you and erase the memory of
               HANGER 18!!!
    Watch you backside,watch your front,, wait---BAM!
    
                         History,from my smokin gun----8*)heeheehee!
    
                         Frizkid
    

    
    MJ-12 is gonna get you!

    Dave Mustaine and Junior were on Raw Power the other night,and Mustaine
    was wasted,I mean "totalled",he just stood hardly said anything and 
    when he did speak it was a load o' crap (as per usual)but towards the
    end he looked at the camera and gave one big,lazy f*cked look.
        Looks like its back to the clinic.He also spoke about 2 versions
    of the video,one that was banned in the US,which we saw,and another.If 
    we did get the banned one then the only reason I could see it was
    banned for was in its stupidity.All the "aliens"looked very silly.
    What version is the US gettin'?can't be any worse than what we got.
    
                                           Staynz
                  

    I bet the uncensored one showed the "medical experiments" on the aliens
    more graphically.  The one I saw here in the US showed several shots
    where they started them and then kind of chopped them off, leaving me a
    feeling that they'd been cut prematurely.
    
    gh

    re-1
    I wish I could see the both to find out,or is Mustaine just
    bullsh*tting.....I could see no reason why you shouldn't see what was 
    shown,there was nothing graphic about it at all.
    
    
                                        Staynz

    I feel the USA still has a LLOooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg  way to go,
    when it comes to what needs to be"censored"and why.
    
         Crazy_It's_gotta_be_commercial_over_here_AL
    

    I heard from a reliable source that Mustaine had wound up the fans at
    the Manchester Apollo that they wrecked the place also that they were
    all searched going in and someone was found with a *gun*
    
    
    
                                          Staynz

    cool.

    yeah,cool if you don't get caught or have to foot the repair bill 8)
    
    
    
                                              Staynz

         In the new GUITAR WORLD mag. 
    Dave  MU(stain) called Queensryche
    
    "YUPPIE FAG METAL"
    
              Will this peasent of thrash ever stop shooting his mouth
    off?
    
                   Frizkid
             

    
    
    Well he certainly isn't afraid to give his opinion..

    
    
    	Actually, surprisingly enough, the few times I've heard him
    	in interviews, etc.; he's sounded... ack.. dare I say...
    	intelligent? (;
    
    	tigg~~~~

    
    
          intelligent maybe,but his mouth keeps flappin'
    
    
                                                  Staynz

    Yeah, he's more opinionated than *I* am!!!
                    

    Scary ?  Somebody say `scary' (tm) ..  8^)
    
    Mustaine's an a$$hole ... a Metallica wannabe ... spoutin' his mouth is
    his only means of settling the score .... sorry Dave, it ain't workin'.
    
    Scary

    Busted on Testament too, huh?  
    
    Why?  Because the singer in Testament sounds too much like him or
    something?
    
    gh

    
    
    But he was in Metallica...

    
    	He isn't there any more ... and I'd bet, without having any #'s
    	in front of me, that Metallica is doing substantially better
    	than Megadeth.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    Well I KNOW THAT!  Geesh!!
    
    But he USED to be, so I don't think he is a wannabe.  More like a
    wannadohisownthing.
    
    

    
    He was kicked out of Metallica for several reasons, one being attitude,
    other being his lacking leads.
    
    /prc

    I bought the Metallica "Cliff 'em all" vid and there is a short section
    with Mustaine talking and playing.The bit he was playing in was rough
    footage but it showed his lead playing to be terrible.
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    I'm new here but I really don't feel you are paying justice
    to Dave Mustaine and Megadeth.
    
    	I saw them a few months back, and they were sooooo tight. Dave
    Mustaine has a great voice, but more than anything else he is a superb
    guitarist. I know he's probably improved over time, but right now he's
    as good as he needs to be.
    
    	He carried off the solos effortlessly. Marty Friedman is a better 
    guitarist, but then he doesn't have to sing.
    
    
    	As for being compared to Metallica, I like Metallica's album's
    better in general, but from the live Metallica I have seen and heard,
    Megadeth outperform them.
    
    	Their present line up is probably the best they have had.
    
    					Keif...

    
    
    	I saw Megadeth at Great Woods a couple weeks ago.. They did
    	kick ass! but the sound was'nt the best.. Anthrax's sound 
    	cranked!!!
    
    	JW-

    Where is Great Woods (Am I being thick!)  :~}
    
    I saw them at Poole Arts Centre and they do seem to of been having a
    few problems with the sound (technicians fault apparantly).
    
    It was quite obvious that Dave Mustaine was getting really annoyed at
    the sound coming back through his monitor (although it all sounded fine
    to us). He left the stage a couple of times to have a word with the
    technician because he simply could not hear himself.
    
    	Right at the end before any of the encores, he kicked the monitor
    off the stage. (The monitor was about a quarter of the width of the
    stage and needed about four big guys to lift it back on again). As you
    probably know he does kick boxing and obviously has a pretty powerful
    kick.
    
    	So I do feel sorry for him, but on the night the sound coming
    towards us was fine. I know that this was not the case when they played
    in London, but I suppose it's hard to be consistently good.
    
    
    Has anyone seen the Rusted Pieces Vid yet. I know it's only a
    compilation of previous music vidoes, but it's a great chance to see
    Peace sells... again, my favourite Megadeth Video.
    
    
    Keith

    
    
    	Great Woods is in Mass. 
    
    	The sound was bad overall... between songs there would be 
    	massive amounts of feedback.... 
    
    	I myself like a loud show.. but this was too loud.. I never 
    	had my ears hurt after a show.. (and I'm deaf already!!)
    
    	JW-

    Hmmmm. I tend to agree.
    
    You'd expect that with a group as professional as Megadeth they could
    get past the small irritations like feedback (not always easy I know,
    but....).
    
    When they were over here touring, they had as support
    
    			Alice in Chains       and
    			The Almighty
    
    Neither of which I am that fond of, but I can put up with The Almighty.
    
    It would of been superb if they had Anthrax playing as well (If that's
    what you meant in your note).
    
    What's the loudest band you've ever heard...for me it's a pretty
    unknown group called Mirror Mirror (an offshoot of Onslaught). They had
    a really small room as a venue, and a stack system suited for an arena.
    
    I couldn't hear for a day (quite worrying I must add).
    
    Keith

    
> I couldn't hear for a day (quite worrying I must add).
    
    	Happens to me every time I go to band practice. 8-)

    
    
    	The show I saw was Alice and Chains, Slayer, Megadeth, and 
    	Anthrax...
    
    	I usually like going to clubs to see bands... and the Volume
    	never really bugs me in clubs... 
    
    	Great Woods is pretty big... its outside basically.. 
    
    	I'd hafta say the loudest show I went to was Deep Purple
    	YEARS ago.. had 10th row... my ears rang for 2 dayz.. I seriously
    	thought I had permenant ear damage!! 
    
    	JW-

    Hind sight is always 20-20 ... but if I hadn't had my head buried up my
    a$$ all those years, I might have some hearing left now.  Thanks to too
    many years at too many db's, my ears ring constantly, conversations
    seem muffled, not too much fun ....
    
    Scary (who says `the default answer to any given question is "huh ?"')

    
    
    Hey you guys don't want to all end up like Townsend!!

    
    re: .137
    
    What did you say? 8-)

    re: .129        
    
>    	As for being compared to Metallica, I like Metallica's album's
>    better in general, but from the live Metallica I have seen and heard,
>    Megadeth outperform them.
    
    I like both bands and would say that up until Rust In Peace,
    Metallica's albums were better.  Much more consistant and less of what
    seemed like filler material.  However, I personally like Rust In Peace
    better then any of Metallica's work.  Marty Friedman puts a spark in
    that band that it always needed.  I'd love to see them live with their
    current lineup! 
    
    I've kind of burned out on Metallica.  I don't know if I'll even bother
    buying their new album when it comes out next month...
    
    gh

    Kinda my feelings too .... Metallica was *awesome* when they first hit
    the scene.  There are a zillion *metalli_spawn* out there now.  It'll
    be tough t impress me with this one, especially since AJFA was such a
    hound (IMO).
    
    Scary

    
    >but if I hadn't had my head buried up my
    >a$$ all those years, I might have some hearing left now.
    
    
    	Ummm, if you had your head buried up your a** then maybe you would
    	have all your hearing left ... that's probably better than ear-
    	muffs.  [Of course, having your head buried up the opposite orifice
    	of a female could be considered ear"muffs".  8^)]
    
    							GTI
    

    pervert!

    >>>but if I hadn't had my head buried up my
    >>>a$$ all those years, I might have some hearing left now.
    
    
    >>	Ummm, if you had your head buried up your a** then maybe you would
    >>	have all your hearing left 
    
    Naw Shawn, just imagine the intense volume of a room-clearing fart.
    With your head up there you'd go deaf.

    that's it!
    
    clear the runway!

    >>clear the runway!
    
    
    JUST DON"T RUN!!!

    why not?

    The "plane" might leak fluid.

      Dee Plane,De plane!!!!
    
                       Frizkid
    

    
    I second Jim's vote.  By far, Deep Purple: Perfect Strangers tour.  It
    sounded like people were lisping for the next two days whenever they
    talked.
    
    

    Re -142.  And this is the man who deletes all our naughty notes!
    
    Hmmm, seems like there is one law for the rich and one for the poor, or
    something like that!
    
    Oh, and by the way Rust in Peace rules!  Seriously up there with the
    classics.  It is my opinion that all the best thrash and speed metal
    seem to have been produced in the last two years!  With the possible
    exception of Metallica 'Ride the Lightning'.  I like all Metallica
    stuff, even in its own way AJFA, but the stuff that has come from
    Slayer, Pantera, Anthrax, Megadeth, Annihilator and others leaves
    everything but RTL in the shade!
    
    
    GAZ

    I must be in a real minority here. My fave album my Metallica was
    always Puppets (but that's another note). Never really liked RTL as
    much. (In fact I prefered Kill 'em all).
    
    
    Anyway Megadeth I think....
    
    	Best album has got to be So Far, So Good.... So What. I love the
    first side of Rust in Piece, but side two I feel is a letdown. Just
    didn't quite have that muscular sound of the first side. Ho Hum
    
    
    Keif

  >    	Best album has got to be So Far, So Good.... So What. I love the
  >  first side of Rust in Piece, but side two I feel is a letdown. Just
  >  didn't quite have that muscular sound of the first side. Ho Hum
    
  
    Buy CDs then you don't need to worry about sides (^8*.
    
    
    So Far, So Good doesn't have the coherence of RiP IMHO.  What you feel
    about RiP, I feel about SFSGSW.  Funny heh!
    
    
    GAZ  
  

    
    
    I still think the first one is the best.
    
    

    
    
    	I was'nt a big Megadeth fan until Rust in Piece came out...
    	that album RIPS!

    
    	I can't stand Dave Mustaine's voice.  It's not very good at all.
    	He does lead growls, not vocals.
    
    							GTI

    I admit his voice is certainly original, and part of his vocal style is
    the growl.
    
    	However, he certainly has a very powerful voice, and I don't think
    it is fair to say he has not got a good voice because he sings in a low
    key.
    
    	It's like saying King Diamond can't sing because he uses really
    high vocals.
    
    
    	Of course, it's just my opinion...... 8^}
    
    Keif

    
    
    I like Daves voice too, and everything else!!
    
    
    Goddess

    Yea, I like his freckles!
    
    He's a strawberry blonde too...

    Ya gotta be kidding grils!  Dave Mustaine has got to be the second
    ugliest dude in HM!  Only Lemmy surpasses him!
    
    
    
    GAZ

    Well from a distance, anyway!

    
    
    Dave Mustaine is very HANDSOME!
    
    Nice face structure!  Great hair!!  
    
    Now Gaz, are you trying to tell us something??   You don't walk around
    checking out guys, do you!  8*)
    
    
    Goddess F.

      Ugly is as Ugly does!  (^8*.
    
    
    GAZ

    It takes one to know one, and *I* know Dave Mustaine is one ugly mutha!
    
    gh 

    
    
    re .163 I don't get it!!
    
    
    HE IS NOT!!
    
    But I guess, its a matter of opinion!!  But being that I am a
    heterosexual woman, my opinion counts more!!  8*) 
    
    
    

    Killing is my business....and business is good is the best album
    
    Rattlesnake and Love you to Death are classics.
    
    The first Megadeth demo is a better recording than the 1st
    album,though.
    
    I remember being well disappointed with the sound of the album compared
    to the demo recording.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    How did you get the Megadeth demo... 
    
    You've obviously been into them for quite a while...
    
    I've never seen it around myself.
    
    Keith

    I used to be a manic tape trader,(dunno if it`s still as popular as it
    was).
    
    When thrash first hit the scene (man),the only way to hear it was
    mainly through tape trading. Remember,in `83-1985 bands like Metallica,
    Slayer,Exodus and all were all on (then) small indepedent labels.
    Getting recordings in your home town was very rare,and the only shop
    i could get the latest thrash albums was a shop called Shades in London.
                                          
    Thus,i have the first Megadeth demo. Plus Suicidal Tendencies,DRI,
    Slayer,Metallica,Testament or Legacy as they were known in the demo
    days),Death Angel,Coroner) and 100`s of others.
    
    Funny how these bands are now so big now.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    
    

    Did the demos often contain tracks that made it onto
    albums?
    
    
    	I'd be interested to hear some of the demos...
    
    Keith

    Keith, you forgot to put "1-69, dudes!"

    Really Keith...how gauche, how de'place'!

    The demo was a 3 track,i believe. I only remember 2 tracks - Mechanix
    and Love you to deth. 
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    Has anyone heard the single they have on the soundtrack to "Bill and
    Teds bogus adventure"?Its called "go to hell".At fiirst I thought it
    was the old Alice Cooper song but no,its a newie and most of all....
    
    it sux,big time.......worst song they've done in ages and I've got all
    their albums and like them tons!
    
    
    
                                              Staynz

    
    Yeah, i don't think it's that good, but I still listen to it. I'm
    pretty sure that I read somewhere that that song was written, and
    recorded in a day. They had no time because of the ongoing Clash Of The
    Titans tour.... Go figure
    
    
    Chris
    

    And in it there's a kid saying "now I lay me down to sleep......"
    
    I wonder if they heard Metallica had that in Enter Sandman, and copied
    the idea.  Sounds like something Mustaine would do.  I suppose it could
    be coincidence.  But the kid's voice sounds just like the one on
    Enter Sandman.
    
    |KS|

    
    I know don't you wonder who copied who. I mean it was pretty clear
    about Mechanix and Four Horsemen. But the same thing happened on
    Queensryche's O:M and Crue's DR. F....
    
    
    
    Chris.
    

    >And in it there's a kid saying "now I lay me down to sleep......"
    >
    >I wonder if they heard Metallica had that in Enter Sandman, and copied
    >the idea.  Sounds like something Mustaine would do.  I suppose it could
    >be coincidence.  But the kid's voice sounds just like the one on
    >Enter Sandman.
    
    Gee, I wonder if BOTH of those bands knew that I put that same prose in
    an old Peasant Kings song, "Letters", and copied the idea!!
    

 >   about Mechanix and Four Horsemen. But the same thing happened on
 >   Queensryche's O:M and Crue's DR. F....
    
    What happened on O:M and Dr. F.?  I hadn't noticed anything fishy
    there.
    

       The new Megadeth SUXS!
    
             I think DUMBSTAINE sings the the little child part you guys
    are talking about....     The part where he goes:
    
             NOW I LAY ME DOWN TO SLEEP 
            BLAH,BLAH,BLAH(<<--HE SAYS THIS) MY SOUL TO KEEP
           IF I SHOULD DIE BEFORE I WAKE
           PRAY I GOTO HELL FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE.
    
      
          {INSERT *BIG* YAWN}
    
                            Frizkid
    

    
    At the beginnning of mindcrime, on the hospital intercom someone says....
    
    "Dr. Davis, telephone call, Dr. Davis telephone please."
    
    And someone says the same thing on the hospital intercom on DR.
    
    it happens at the beginning of both albums.... 

    Thanks, didn't know that about the Queensryche/Crew overlap there.
    
    Re: Friz...
    
    Dave says that at the end, but before that there's a child that says it
    without the "blah blah blah".  *Unless* this has only been dubbed into
    the video.  I've only heard the MTV video version.
    
    |KS|
    

FWIW - That is a standard SOund Effects thing - I hear it on TV shows and 
movies all the time...

Friz - Yu are nutz dood.  The new MegaDeth album RIPS!

jc (WHo listens to it all the damn time, damn it :)

    
    I think Friz was referring to GO TO HELL. and not the Rust.... at least
    he better not...    8')
    
    Chris, who thinks Rust rules, and is better than any other albums the
    megadeth has done, and probably will do....
    
    
    

I agree Cuzz...

And you are right - Friz was just here and he backpeddled when I threatened 
to break his drum rack (what there is of it.  ).

Sorry Friz...

:)

    
    
    
    	RiP IS THE BALLS!! 

    
    
    I still love the first one...

    
    I do too, but you have to admit, they play a lot better when they're
    clean.... and who wasn't happy to see Poland go after Peace Sells.
    But then again if anyone has heard RETURN TO METALOPOLIS than you know
    that Poland is now clean and sounding better than ever!!!!
    
    

I like the first two...  I love RIP !

jc

    Coop-
             You is crazy!
            I don't back pedal to NO one.....8*)
    
         Yes....I was referring to GTH.
    Ken:I think your right, both version are in the song.
       It's really kind of a spoof on Metallica's Sandman...
    
                      Frizkid
     

    CHM group Fighter has a past connection to Megadeth.  Bill Heller,
    Fighter's guitarist, used to play in a band called Renegade (based in
    Iowa) with Dave Ellefson and Dave Mustaine.
    
    Mike

    
    I know that this opinion won't be very popular in this conference, but
    here goes anyway...   RIP is one of the best albums of ALL TIMES.
    All of the songs are killer.  I also think that 'Go to Hell' is
    great.  It sounds like the older stuff.  The video is great Mustaine
    kicks some guy hell and then chokes the devil..  Okay maybe Mustaine
    growls in some parts, but it comes out sounding great.  Now for the
    part of my note that won't be very popular...
    
    Metallica is like Milli Vanilli compared to Megadeth!!!!
    Don't get me wrong, I like the new and old stuff from Metallica, but
    Megadeth RIP puts Metallica to shame...   There is no comparision in
    my opinion!!!!!
    
    -Seth

    
    Have we met????
    
    
    RIP rules. The rest of there music is great too....but
    
    
    
    			METALLICA RULES FOREVER
    
    
    
    
    Get my point!
    
    
    Chris

    
    	RE: .191
    
    	Yeah, but Metallica is great ... and Megadeth sucks.
    
    	Apparently you forgot that minor detail.
    
    							GTI

    
    Slab, you madman, where ya been??
    
    
    Chris, wo's been wonderin'

    Shawnee!  Yay you're back!  I knew you were coming so I baked you a
    cake! 	
    
    		yes,  MEGADETH RULES THE WORLD AND ALL THAT INHABIT IT!
    
    RIP is by far the most rulin' CD they have out...(presently)
    
    but!  METALLICA ARE THE MASTERS!  (forgive me...)
    
    'pril (who's been doing this a lot lately, no?)

    
    
    
    	Geee Lirpa? who turned you onto Megadeths RIP?? ;') told'ya!!
    
    
                 

    Mij, I don't really remember who it was...I vaguely remember a long
    haired dude up in Mass., but I can't be sure about these things!  
    
    heehee*8)

    
    
    
    	Ya, I guess your right? You have alot of long-haired-guys
    	from Mass stay at your place for a week? :')
    
    
    	

    
    
    I knew I would get this sort of reaction....  Almost EVERYONE love
    Metallica...  I think that they are okay they just don't compare to
    the ruler MEGADETH.
    Since everyone likes Metallica would they be considered Poseur??
    
    {Seth ducks so he won't be hit by all the Metallica fans.}
    
    That is why there are so many different types of music I guess.
    
    -Seth....   Metallica can 'go to hell'....

    
    i personally like new MD over new metallica and though i LOVE old MD, I
    like MOP and RTL just a hair more.  Now Testament and Flotsam and
    Jetsam.  Those guys beat them both!  :')
    
    

    Metallica and POSEUR in the same sentence?  LET'S GET HIM!!!!
    
    Death by PRILMONSTER, Inc.  heehee*8)
    
    'pril

    
    Hey 'pril,
    
    
    According to webster's...
    
    poseur - n. See Metallica !!!!!
    
    {Seth wonders how long he will live!!!!)
    
    -Seth     8^)

    Metallica rools but Megadeth are cool too,the biggest drawback about
    Megadeth is Mustaine's mouth.
    
    
    
                                           Staynz

    
    POSUER n. [Po-zer]; See any geek the talks about Metallica in an
                        unfasionable way.
    
    DEAD  t.v. [Ded];   The state the person mentioned in POSUER will be in
    
    Testament are awesome, and so are Flots, but both have a long way to go
    'till they are in the same league as the 'Big Four'
    
    Death before posa-nation
    
    Chris, who thinks RIP is a better 'metal' album than METALLICA. (oh my
    god!)
    
    

    Just cuz people like Metallica it don't mean they is poseur. 
    
    IMO Megadeath sucks bigtime, guess that's why we is in America.

     This WHOLE poser thing is STUPID!!!!!
    
                  Music is music....None of is better...None of it is
    worse......It's what *YOU* like!
    
             When I say poseur it's a joke.....Because the word is a joke!
    
              Anybody who really thinks there IS such a thing as a POSEUR
    band.....CAN SHOVE IT UP YOU @SS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
                      And a good:
    
                            Thank you and F'OFF!!!!!!!
                    frizkid
    

    
    
    According to Friz:
    
    				POSUER
                                 USED
    
    
    Chris, who really doesn't care as long as it's a person playing and not
    a machine.
    
    

    That's good Chris.........
                         I agree-NO MACHINES!!!!!!!!!!
    
                          frizkid
    

    
    
    hell, most machines can write better crap than the poseur bands are
    playing nowdays anyway :')
    
    rob who doesnt care who or what writes it or playes it as long as it's
    good music
    
    

    
    Or played by humans...that helps a lot!
    
    
    Chris, who has the Human Factor

    
    
    I think Mustaine is extremely immature in his song "Go to Hell".  its a
    good song, but is really necessary to make fun of the competition?  I
    think he's diggin his own grave for sure!
    
    
    Goddess F.

    I also hate poseur bands,which is why i only listen to stuff like
    Tigertailz,Poison and Pretty Boy Floyd.
    
    I also think C.C.Deville is a better guitarist than Dave
    Mustaine,(who`s crap).
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    re-1
    
             Ho!Ho!!
    
                         Frizkid
    

Has mr Cooks been sniffing strange substances today?  Gooood choice???!?


GAZ

Yet another CD I picked up - 'Maximum Megadeth'. This also seems to be a
'greatest hits' compilation of some sort, although I think this one is
"For Promotional Use Only", ie. it won't be available to the general 
public.

Song listing:
Peace Sells
Hangar 18 (live)
In My Darkest Hour
Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
Anarchy In The UK (live)
Wake Up Dead
Hook In Mouth
Lucretia

alan

    Wow, that sounds like an excellent compilation!  Has all my favs of
    theirs on there!
    
    gh

    Expect a newie by these guys in MArch 92'!
    
             Frizkid
    

    ...and in a last ditch effort, Frizkid pulls out in the lead as "Most
    Informative"  8^)
    
    Sorry, I didn't vote for you 4 92 Friz, but def. next year!

    The new reports on the new Megadeth are:
    
              Megadeth will take on a suprisingly melodic turn on their
    next album...Their still going for the release date.
    
                            Frizkid
    

	Yeah, I heard MY Idol!!! Mustaine being interviewed. 
	He said that they have already proven that they can do
	the impossible riffs so this new album will be a bit 
	different, but still heavy..

	(Whatever that means....)

	If it even comes close to RIP I will be *very* happy!!!

	

						-MegaSeth

    
    I wonder if they're heading in the direction of Metallica.
    
    AJFA was the 'technical' album as was RIP. I'm just wondering if the
    change from RIP (better than AJFA) to this new melodic sound will be
    like AJFA to Metallica. Could Mustaine be selling out after seeing
    Metallica go 4 (almost 5 now) time platnum.

	re: CC 

	I personal think your statement is ridiculous, and I don't see
	it to be true at all...

	But, I guess time will tell.....


							-Seth

    
    I hate to say it. But SF,SG,SW was terrible. Megadeth rebounded with a
    finely tuned, all out, 'this is our talent' record. and it was fackin'
    awesome! But I'm just wondering what Mustaine means by "More Melodic".
    

	I am wondering too....  I don't think that the last record
	was part of a 'plan'.  I think the addition of Nick M. and
	Marty F. made Megadeth, Megadeth.  I hope all four work together
	to come out with one of the best albums yet.  (although
	I think RIP is unbeatable)  

	BTW I liked GTH maybe they are headed that way?  I really
	don't know what Mustaine meant...


						-Seth

    I loved RIP but for me Go to hell was a bit on the crap side....
    
    
    
                                                      Staynz

    
    I loved one of the riffs in GTH...all in all it was an ok tune.

    yup me too,there is one riff just after the opening melody and just
    before the vocals kick in,but not worth buying the cd single for
    
    
                                                Staynz 

    Is it true that Mustaine wrote Call of Kluto and Hanger 18?
        Aren't they the same riff just COK is played clean finger-picking 
    and Hanger is strummed fast?
    
     This isn't the first time Mustaine has ripped himself off....
    I was informed that he stole The Four Horsmen back by playing it twice
    the speed.
    
             Can anybody confirm or deny this?
    
      Frizkid\
    

     Megadeth should do a cover of Walk In The Shadows by QRYCHE because 
    it always seems that their one step behind Metallica.
    
                   Goto hell says the same thing Enter Sandman says.
    
                      Frizkid
    

>     This isn't the first time Mustaine has ripped himself off....
>    I was informed that he stole The Four Horsmen back by playing it twice
>    the speed.
 

	Dude, I don't think you can steal from yourself, or rip yourself off.

	One thing about this topic, is that people *LOVE* to compare 
	Metallica and Megadeth....  Do not...  Just enjoy both... The
	old Metallica and the new Megadeth... Both are classics...


						-Seth

    I believe you can rip off yourself.....But it hurts the fans more if
    you keep putting out the same stuff.
    
               I don't like to compare Metallica and Megadeth but Enter
    Sandman and Go to Hell do have the same lines.
    
                      I enjoy more of Megadeth stuff...BTW.
    
                     Frizkid
    

    
    Well as an avid fan of both, I'll say one thing. As long as they don't
    cover a rap band I love 'em.
    
    
    
    That's a joke for all the Rapthrax opossers in the Anthrax note. ;')

    
    This one's for Poohseth.
    
    Four tunes off the new Megadeth album:
    
    1) Symphony Of Destruction
    2) Ashes In Your Mouth
    3) Countdown To Extinction
    4) Skin O' My Teeth
    
    
    Sounds good to me. No "love" and no "bbooyyyyyy"
    
    
    

    het I kinda like it when rap bands go "bbboooyyy."I don't know why,I'm
    just like that!  %^)
    
    
    
    staynz

	Oh boy!!! oh boy!!!!  getting close to new Megadeth time!!!


	YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

	I can't wait!!!

						-MegaSeth!

    taken without permission from Rolling Stone Magazine, Issue 628.
    
    NOTABLE NEWS
    
    
    
    MEGADETH guitarist DAVE MUSTAINE and his wife, Pam, announced the birth
    of a son, Justis David.  The sensitive singer-songwriter noted that the
    arrival of his son surpassed "the rush of sky diving."
    
    
           
    
    
    Goddess F.

    congratulations...........maybe he'll stop being such a wanker!  8)
    
    
    
                                                            staynz

>    congratulations...........maybe he'll stop being such a wanker!  8)
 

	*Seth's blood starts to boil!!!!!*   ;^)  8^)

    
    I think he's cool!
    
    
    Wonder if he's gonna start his kid on the guitar early?

    
>    I think he's cool!
		Yes of course he is cool! 
   
>    Wonder if he's gonna start his kid on the guitar early?
		I wish he would show me!!!


						-Seth

    Interesting note for Seth and anyone else that like Megadeth:
    
     Megadeth as been in group therapy for about two years now to keep 
    the band together.  Dave Mustaine admitted to having a serious drug
    problem.   Their album is REAL close to being out.
    
              Frizkid
    

    Dave also admitted that his drug problem has nothing to do with these
    therapy sessions, Friz.  They are strictly to keep the band together. 
    And I think it's wise!  Look at all the shite going down these days! 
    Wot's his face of the Black Crowe's kicked his own bleedin' brother out
    of the band and referred to him as a "casualty".  But then he's just a
    bloody a$$hole.

    Correct as usaul April about Megadeth but your confused on the 
    Black Crowes! He kicked out the other guiitarist NOT his bro. 
    
                     He's not an @sshole.....He just knows what he wants.
    
         Frizkid
    

    Oh SH*T! I did a your when I meant you're! 8)
    
               Frizkid
    

    Hey dis aint grammer skul dood.  8)
    
    Color me confoozed then, I coulda sworn I heard him say "I just
    couldn't work with my brother any more."  
    
    Guess it was "HE can't work with my brother."  
    
    Er, som'n like thot.
    
    'pril

NOT!  I respect him because he knows what he wants and if someone is going to
mess up and slow them down then bye!

Tim

    FWIW, the last few interviews I've seen with Chris Robinson, he seemed
    a lot nicer and didn't seem to have nearly the nasty attitude that I'd
    seen from him in the past.  I didn't think the interview where he
    discussed replacing their guitar player made him seem like he had a bad
    attitude.  He just said what he thought.
    
    gh

	Excuse me...


	Mods, *************PLEASE**************  get this Black
	Crowes CRAP out of the Megadeth note!!!!


	You are defacing it!!!!!

	I *HHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEE* the Crowes!


							-Seth

    Shaddup Seth, you're whining again!
    8^)
    
    
    MegaDeth...masters?  Masters of whiney, buzzy NOISE, dats about it!

    Agreed ... the Black Crowes discussion brought a degree of class to
    this note.  8^)
    
    Megadeth :== "Metallica Wannabes"

Whoa now...

Seth is quite right I beleive...  MegaDeth ARE the new masters of 
thrash 'em up metal.  Friedman ROOLLLZZZZ !

Metallica are Firehouse wannabe's.  I like the stuff they did when 
everyone hated 'em...But lately...NOT!

jc (Who's been bangin' to Dave and Marty *all* day long over here)

PS - and Scary - YOU should be ashamed of that comment.  :)

    I have to agree wif Coop ... Metallipose have lost it.  They were the
    Thrash Rulers from KEA to MOP, but now they're posin big time with all
    these sappy radio ballads...bleck-O!
    
    Buck, who'drather listen to Right Said Fred than Metallipose

    The stuff that Metallica has on the radio, is radio material.  You
    don't expect the real heavy stuff to be on there, do ya ?  They *have*
    toned down quite a bit, but they're light years from Firehouse.  
    
    Back to Megadeth ... I just never really got into their stuff like I
    did Metallica's earlier offerings ...
    
    Mustaine's a little whiney a$$.   8^)
    
    
    Jerry

	People, all I can say is listen to RIP, if you don't love
	it then IMO you have no taste!!! (at least not for speed
	metal)

	Metallica and Megadeth are QUITE different band, I wish
	people didn't alway have to compare them, but if you are
	going to compare...  MEGADETH RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


	Alright Coop!!!!!  We know good music when we hear it right?!?!?


							-Seth

    I've got a tape with RIP on one side, and "Seasons In The Abyss" by
    Slayer on the other side. Maybe I should dub RIP onto the back side of
    something else, 'cuz RIP doesn't get much airplay up against Slayer.
    
    Can't dance to either one of 'em though ... bad knee.
    
    
    Jerry

    >	People, all I can say is listen to RIP, if you don't love
    >	it then IMO you have no taste!!! (at least not for speed
    >	metal)
    
    I personally think Peace Sells is a better album

	I am telling ya Scary, listen to RIP!!!

	I have been listening to it for a year!!!  IT IS RULIN!!!

	I had it cranked today!!  AWESOME to drive too!!!



							-Seth

Naturally.

IMHO, the reason people compare Metallica to MegaDeth is because
Metallica USED to reign as METAL gods.  Now they've lost it, and
MegaDeth Reigns.

RE: Scary

True enough, Radio material is whatyou hear on the radio - but that whole
black album is radio material.  Metallica - INDEED!

Jamez probably can't even get it up any more.
Sad But True.

    Rust in Peace is my fave Megadeth album.
    
    BTW: New Megadeth release at the end of June.
    
    HMRatt
    

>   BTW: New Megadeth release at the end of June.

Which will no doubt RULE !
 

    
    
    What is the name of the newest Megadeth album to date?
    
    I just bout "Rust.." but haven't listened to it yet.  
    
    
    Goddess F.

Yo F-Dot -

It's Rust In Peace and should be the metal album of the decade !!


jc (who LOVES it)

	Jc you're wrong!!!!


	Best metal album EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ;^)


	BTW 69! dudes!

							-MegaSeth

    
    NOT! 8-)

Yo Seth - We're agreeing violently. 
:)

	Jc, YUP YUP YUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


	Pete, you told me you haven't even heard it!!!!!!



						-MegaSeth

RIP is a must-hear album...  Especially Lucretia and Hanger 18 !!

jc (RIP-Torn)

    
    I know, that's why I did a 8-)

    
    
    Thanx guys!
    
    
    Goddess F. (who needs no convincing that Megadeth are awesome!)

	I am having withdrawals without the new stuff!!!!


	All I can say is that I hope Megadeth didn't see Metallica's
	pop success and decide to go the same route...


	Hopefully Mustain et. al. will stick to their guns, and 
	come out with another killer speed metal album...



							-MegaSeth

    I'd love to see your face when you hear the acoustical version
    of "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" on the new MegaDeth album.
    
              Frizkid
    

>    I'd love to see your face when you hear the acoustical version
>    of "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" on the new MegaDeth album.
	AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!


						-Sickypooh

    Gotta love it...Pooh!
    
              PIHOS still? 
    
              Frizkid be his HMBP self
    

PIHOS Still!!!  Always and forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


						-Seth

    
    Megadeth  - Countdown To Extinction gets released on July 6  

    Isn't this the one C.C. did solos on because Marty couldn't keep 
    up with Dave M.?
    
           Frizkid
    

	I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!


	Friz SHUT YOUR UGLY GAPING HOLE!!!!!  ;)



							-Seth

    
    I knew you'd like that info...8-)

    The new Mega Deth released on my birthday..........excellant pressie!
    
    
                                              Staynz

    
    
    
    Seth: I knew you'd like that! Calm down man.....It's just in fun!
          Even though Dave M. did say he wanted a guy with blue hair but 
    took the next best thing. (Marty) 8)
    
              Pestering Frizzzzzzzzzzzz
    
        

	I knew you were kidding Frizzle....

	Blue hair?  Is he going to get an old wrinkled lady?



							-Seth

    Blue hair=C.C. Deville.  He's a dork......I read the new article in RIP
    and the dude is lost!
    
    
     Frizkid
    

Really?/  last I saw him he had pink hair....


	oh well.....

	I heard part of one of the songs 'Symphany (sp) of Destruction'

	Sounded REAL cool!!!!


	I can't wait!

							-Sethypooh

    CC's got blue hair now?  He probably couldn't get the pink out and had
    to dye it blue to cover it up!

	I HEARD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


	I heard/saw a new Megadeth song/video on  MTV!!


	It was Symphany (sp?) of Destruction!!!

	Okay, a couple of things....   First off it DOES have a different
	sound than RIP, not more popish, just a bit different.  YOu can
	tell it is Megadeth.  If this is what the rest of the album sounds
	like, then I will admit one thing, they changed their sound a bit.
	BUT it is not any more 'poseish' then their other stuff.

	It roolz!!!!!!!  REALLY COOL!!!


	(I will admit one more thing though... There WAS one lame part,
	 at the end they have that Kennedy quote, that is also at the
	 end of a Living Color song 'Ask not what your country can do
	 for you, ask what you can do for your country.  Then again they
	 had a simliar thing on RIP on 'Take no Prisoners')


	Over all RULIN!!!!!!


							-Seth

    If it has the word "Symphony" in it, you can tell Marty Friedman
    had a LOT to do with the penning of this tune!!
    

	Don't start with me Buck!!!!!! hehehehe


	I'll RIP your heart out!!!!! ;^)


	Actually I am *GLAD* you don't like Megadeth....  It would make
	me feel sick if I knew someone liked both MEgadeth and the BeeGees!

	So thair! 8^PpPpPpPp


							-Seth

    >	I'll RIP your heart out!!!!! ;^)
    
    No fair ... you wear those Lee Press-On nails, which is an unfair
    advantage!!

    Dave M.=Hap-hazzardly wandering though cromatic scales.
    
     Marty=Brilliant....
    
              Friz
    

Mustaine plays pentatonic boxes dood, not chromatic scales...

Drummers...  Esssh!

	Oh, that reminds me Buck...


	Friz told me to remind you that he wants his nylons that	
	you borrowed back...



	The song RULES!


							-Seth

    Actually Mustaine does use a lot of chromatic things in his solos (to
    flesh out the pentatonic minor boxes).
    
>    >	I'll RIP your heart out!!!!! ;^)
>    
>    No fair ... you wear those Lee Press-On nails, which is an unfair
>    advantage!!
    
    Just give him your "Lee Press-On Heart"...
    EZ
    
    gh

    Seth, you're so lame!
    ;')

    Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, Buckster?

    I'll be the Kettle!

	You can be BOTH Buck....


							-Seth

    I like being both, thank you

Monday ??

I'm there - MegaDeth RULES THE WORLD !

Friedman is a god.

>Friedman is a god.

	Amen!   hehehe



							-Seth

	Heard some news...  The new Megadeth has been pushed back
	to the 14th of July...


	Another week added on!!  Ugh!
							-Seth

    Personally,i think the new single "symphony of destruction" is
    dull,boring and highly unoriginal. 
    
    
    

    
    	Typical Megadeth, eh?
    
    							GTI

    I must agree.....ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz 
    
    Mark

    
    How long is it? I bet it ain't 15 min+ 8-)

    How long is it? About 7" (ooh er).
    
    

	It IS different from RIP, but I don't think it is dull,
	OR boring...


	To each his own....


							-MegaSeth

    
    
    
    	Really? It's been pushed back? I just talked to the dude a 
    the music store Friday and he said they'd have it Tuesday.. I dunno?!
    
    
    It's hard to judge the album by just one song.. I was hopin a little
    more on the lines of RIP. The new song takes some time to grow on
    you...
    
    
    JW-

    
>    	Really? It's been pushed back? I just talked to the dude a 
>    the music store Friday and he said they'd have it Tuesday.. I dunno?!
 
	Hmmmmm...  Strawberries has the release date as the 14th...
	They said it was pushed back...
    
>    It's hard to judge the album by just one song.. I was hopin a little
>    more on the lines of RIP. The new song takes some time to grow on
>    you...
	Agreed... I LOVED Rip, I was hoping the new one would be about the
	same, but I LIKE the new song..


							-Seth

	I just heard another one!  (Yes, I am going to put a note
	in everytime I hear a new Megadeth song!  At least *I* am
	talking about music, and not hair)

	It was called 'Skin 'o my teeth'

	Roolin!  Dave has even changed his singing a bit, he sings
	more than growls now (I think both are cool)  It seems really
	moshy in parts...  definately cool!


								-Seth

    Looks like another tape purchase in the near future for me! :)

    I'll do the same thing as I've done with the rest of the Mega Deth
    albums;borrow them of my friend,tape 'em and play 'em to death in my
    car.It usually takes about 2 weeks of constant listening before I get
    bored and tape over them.
    
    
    
                                               Staynz
    
    
                                                 

    I listened to Killing is my Business....and Business is good for
    the first time in ages yesterday. A really good album....especially
    "Love you to deth","These boots","Rattlehead" and "Mechanix".
    
    Slightly weak production which is a shame,but well ahead of it`s time
    for 1983 (or `84). Shame really,`cos the production on the demo is
    a lot better.
    

    
    re: .319
    
    Their only release worth listening to at all.

    
    
    RE:-1
    
    Chya.. right... 

	Hey Pete, I thought you said you never listened to RIP?!?!?!


							-Seth

    
    True. 8-)

    I heard "Skin O' My Teeth" last night on AAF.  The song won Rock Wars.
    (again)
    
    The song is COOOOOOOL!!!!

    Megadeth won Rock Wars again tonight.  Against Joe Satriani.  I haven't
    heard either of the songs but Megadeth's must be pretty good.  Either
    that, or very commercial. I would have thought the general radio public
    would have preferred Satriani.  I like 'em both so I'd have to hear the
    songs!
    
    BTW  The DJ on AAF at night used to be on WCCC from Hartford.  He
    usually plays pretty good tunes.  
    
    Ken
    

    
    	Unfortunately the general radio public seems to have a thing a-
    	gainst instrumentals, unless they're movie themes [like "Chariots
    	of Fire"].
    
    							GTI

    re: -1
     
    Well, Surfing With The Alien songs got quite a bit of airplay when that
    album was fresh.  I didn't hear much off the radio from Killing Is My
    Business... or Peace Sells (Except the title track) way back when.
    
    All 3 above mentioned albums are great I think BTW...
    
    Ken
    

Dave Mustaine is going to be one of the anchors covering the Democratic and
Republican Conventions for MTV news.

Kurt Loder announce this yesterday...

Tim

    If the Satriani song they're playing on WAAF is the same one that's
    been getting a little airplay out here, I'm not surprised that it got
    offed in a "rock war" thing.  It's an ok song, but doesn't seem to have
    the drive of the Surfin... material.
    
>Dave Mustaine is going to be one of the anchors covering the Democratic and
>Republican Conventions for MTV news.
    
    "What do you mean I don't support the system?  I go to court when I
    have to!"
    
    gh

    "Whaddya mean I couldn't be the president...... of the United States Of
    America?   It's still 'we the people'.... right?"
    

    If there's a new way....I'LL BE THE FIRST IN LINE
          It's gonna work this time!
    
                 Friz
    

>          It's gonna work this time!
    
    Should be "But it's gotta work this time".
    
    gh

    Greg, actually it's "But it better work this time"
    
    I'm listening to it right now because I thought it was what Friz said. 
    So I had to check for myself!
    
    Ken
    

    I'm such a space case...  Thanks Ken.  I'll have to go nab my tape and
    play it 'till I drop now, that's a great song!
    
    Greg

    I was listening to the last song on that album, and trying to figure
    out the words were, and for the life of me, couldn't figure out *what*
    he was singing!  It didn't even sound like English!   But then I
    remembered I had the lyrics.
    
    ILIW that happens!
    

	Hi all,


	Last night they had a party at Strawberries at midnight to
	release the new Megadeth.  I went by and picked up a copy.

	Well, I have listened to it a bunch of times and here is 
	an early review...

	Some of the songs have a 'RIP' sound, while others don't
	Over all it is VERY cool!!!!  This is one tape that you
	can't say 'all the songs sound the same' each on has a 
	different feel to it...

	And best of all (for you Metallica wannabes) no ballads! hahaha!


							-Seth

    Agreed, Seth... the new MD release is *roolin*!!!!!!!

    Did anyone catch Mustaine/Megadeth on MTV yesterday night?  Megadeth
    played a couple of songs live on "Hangin with MTV" and then Mustaine
    had a fairly large segment of "MTV News" covering the Democratic
    National Convention.  
    
    I've decided that I don't think the title track on the new album is all
    that hot.  In fact, it's so limp that I'd call it filler material. 
    It was one of the songs they played live.  Apparently there was at
    least one more, but I missed it flipping around the channels 'cause I
    didn't feel like watching bad videos for two hours just for that.
                                                                     
    gh

    Yeah, he did do a good job reporting ... I guess his voice is good for
    *something* ....
    
    Scary

    Although I like the title track on the new lp, I didn't like the live
    cut they did on Bangin with MTV.  Also, Dave Mustaine looks like $#!t.
    My friends with full-blown AIDS look healthier than he does!

    Mustaine was a good reporter! I like when the bum yelled at him and
    Mustaine said "Yea...I guess he know his rights, like the right to buy
    beer". That was funny...BUT:
    
    The music was for the most part boring....The second track they play is
    called "Skin Of My Teeth".
              Did anyone see Slash trying to jam with the house band and
    playing so sloppy that I thought he was tuneing?  ACK!!!!!
    
            Friz
                

  Excellent album!! The vocals sound sooo much better... much less of a grunt. 

  Coupla points -- 1. Sweating bullets is *very* strange
	
		   2. I *LOVE* the sound effect at the end of High Speed Dirt


	-Keith

    FWIW, I agree with Buck about how bad Dave looked.  He had a majorly
    unhealthy palor!
    
    gh

    RE: less grunts on the new album ...
    
    I guess if James Hetfield (Dave's mentor and long time idol) can do
    ballads, then Dave can *try* and sing ...
    
    Imagine James and Dave doing "Sounds Of Silence" ... 8^)
    
    Scare'

	James is hardly Daves idol...


	James is nothing but a pop turned poseur...

	Megadeth has NO ballads...  The songs rule....


	By the tape, then if you hate it fine..  I am SO sick of 
	people who judge things without giving it a fair listen..


								-Seth

    Seth....Shut up! What's wrong with ballads?
    
                Friz
    

	Nothing is wrong with a 'ballad' group doing 'ballads'
	

	But Metallica has lost its 'power ballad' style and 
	are now just doing stupid pop ballads (IMHO)


						-Ragypooh

    What's wrong with a thrash band doing a ballad...They're human too!
    Don't you think they have emotions other than EAT,F**K,KILL? 8)
    
              I see nothing wrong with it?
    
       Friz
    

	I don't know... I just don't like a big mix of styles from
	1 band...  I like a band that is more consistant...
	like always heavy, or always sappy.... or always alternative
	(in which case I would ignore it! heheheh right Bob..) ;)


	*I* am just glad that Megadeth did no ballads, if they did
	it would lower them in my opinion...


	There is nothing wrong with it for some bands... I like
	a TON of ballads, but some bands ballads just don't wash
	(IMHO)


							-Seth

    Sheesh... is everybody in a fighting mood today or something????
    
    Gad... if you don't like something, don't listen to it.  You don't need
    to be slamming people all over the place if they like something, nor do
    people need to be telling others to shut up.
    
    -- Kristy
    
    (sorry, but the past few notes have rubbed me the wrong way, whether or
    not they were written in jest)

    
    
     I caught a replay last night of Megedeth doing SOD on Mtv. Song didn't
    sound too bad, I kinda liked it. The recording was awful though. But
    for a program like Hangin With MTV it was probably the best they could
    do.
    
         mike
    

>    The recording was awful though. But for a program like Hangin With MTV
>    it was probably the best they could do.                              
    
    Yeah, I'd agree with that.  The mix on that one sounded very weird,
    thin and empty sounding, like something big was missing, but all the
    parts were there playing.  Guess they forgot to add the effects...
    
    gh

    I watched some MTV last night, and they had a softball game between a
    couple teams made up of rock stars, real baseball players, other
    clebrities, and uh.... Roseanne Barr.
    
    Anyway Dave Mustaine was on one of the teams and also played the Star
    Spangled Banner on guitar before the game!  It was a pretty mellow
    version however...  No thrash, or wild hendrix style version.
    

    
    	I had the new album in my hands the other night, because Friday
    	I'd heard [and liked alot] "Symphony of Destruction".  But then
    	I thought back to the time I bought "Peace Sells ..." on the
    	merit of the title track and hated the rest of it.
    
    	So to all owners of the new album, how does the rest compare to
    	"Symphony of Destruction"?  Is it somewhat similar, with under-
    	standable lyrics, and crankin' instrumentation, or is the rest
    	of it heavy/thrashy noise like most of their stuff?
    
    	Thanks for any info.
    
    							GTI

    I like 'em all!  IMHO the music is pretty similar to "Symphony.." 
    There's a only a couple of real "thrash"-y songs on there.  *I* can
    understand the vocals without a problem, but then again, I could
    understand the ones on "Peace Sells.." too.  So, that all depends, I
    guess.  
    	Overall, I'd say it's more along the lines of "Rust ..."- that
    overall sound, but more developed and fine tuned.
    
    Chad

    OH, forgot to ask in -1, anybody get the CD single for "Symphony.."? 
    It has the radio mix of Symphony (anyone notice a difference between
    that and the original?  -I couldn't tell the difference), the
    track "Breakpoint" (Pretty cool), and "Go to Hell" (I like that one,
    too...)  
    
    Chad

    Believe it or not.....I *LIKE*  SOD by Megadeth!
    
          Friz
    

	|The tape is REALLY goo Friz!!!  Pick it up! I think
	you might be a bit surprised how much you like it..


						-Seth

    I also like SOD.  Amazing, huh?

	I am telling ya... Get it!!!

	I am sure you will Countdown to Extintion and other songs..


	Give it a shot..


							-Seth

    >	I am sure you will Countdown to Extintion 
    
    
    I'm pretty sure we all will at some point...
    ;')

	Whoops!!!  I left my account logged in and 
	Wendy stopped by.... sowwie! ;^)


							-Seth

    
    
     I bought CTE a couple of days ago. I really liked SOD when I heard it.
    The rest of the CD is just kinda OK. Not bad, but nothing to really
    rave about. Maybe I need more listening time before I make a fair call
    on it. I'm not a big Megadeth fan, the only other one I have is RIP,
    (I think, thats the last one right?). So far I like it alot better.
    
                                                                   mike
    

    10
     9
     8
     7
     6
     5
     4
     3
     2
     1
     0   
         I'm counting down and I like it....AMAZING!8)
    
                    Friz
    

	Hey Mike, you geek you...


	Have you listened to Countdown to Extintion?


							-Seth

	How do you know it is noise if you haven't heard it?


	I mean Buck and Friz used to do their share of Megadeth
	bashing, but now they are admitting they like the songs
	some.


						-Seth

	How do you expect people to respect you opinions on music,
	if you condemn it without even listening to it?


	I can feel free to rag on SOundgarden, because I have heard the
	whole tape a bunch of times...


	It is not right to rag on stuff you haven't heard...


							-Seth

    I dunno Mikey - Me thinks you ought to run right out and grab a 
    copy of Rust In Peace and check out Friedman on the guitar - he's
    a MAJOR axe-slinger - a wicked sound and chops to match.
    
    jc

    Whatta ya mean I don't believe in God?
            Talk to him everyday......
    
                  Friz
    

    >        <<< Note 150.367 by DESERT::HEISER "Nephilim hunter" >>>
    >                         -< I don't do noise >-
    
    
    What about Joyful Noise?

    IMO, Countdown to Extinction kicks RIP's butt anyways... not to knock
    the music, I just like it better...
    
    Chad

�	|The tape is REALLY goo Friz!!!  Pick it up! I think
�			     ^
�						-Seth

I thought you liked it?  Or is that the Wendy-o-lete kicking in again...

Tim

>�	|The tape is REALLY goo Friz!!!  Pick it up! I think
>�			     ^
>�						-Seth
>I thought you liked it?  Or is that the Wendy-o-lete kicking in again...
	No, actually I left the tape in the sun for a long time and
	it turn to goo!  ;^) (It was a good try! ;) )


>                -< I like SOD also.  Is Megadeth from Seattle? >-

			HUSH YOUR MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;^)


								-Seth

    Since Metallica turned into banger-wanna-be's, MegaDeth is the ONLY 
    real metal band left - except for Pantera who are coming up to speed
    quick.  :)
    
    MegaDeth RULES!
    
    You heard it here first.
    jc

	Megadeth and Michael both start with M so...


	Tristan has set up a note.  860 it is for info on the Michael
	Schenker fan club...

	remember you heard it in the Megadeth note first (by me!) ;^)


							-Seth

>	|The tape is REALLY goo Friz!!!  Pick it up! I think
    
    No, "Goo" is an album by Sonic Youth.  Sounds nothing like Megadeth and
    Friz wouldn't like it anyway.
    
    gh

>    What's the Megadeth tune that talks about murdering your mother and
>    raping your sister?

		I don't remember ever hearing a song about that...
		What tape is it off of?  Is it a new song.


							-Seth

    re: .381
    
    Sounds like "Last Caress", originally by the Misfits, later covered by
    Metallica (not Megadeth) on the "Garage Days Re-Revisited" EP.
    
    gh

    A friend told me that Megadeth is supposed to be on Arsenio Hall
    sometime this week.  I forgot to look at the TV guide last night, so I
    don't know if they've already been on the show or not...
    
    

     
     Re: Killing your mother, etc etc...
    
     I have all of Megadeth's stuff, and I dont know any song that talks
    about that...
    
    Ratt
    

    Can someone list the order of the songs on "Countdown To Extinction"?
    
    A friend taped it for me but forgot write down the names of the tunes.
    
    -Stevie D
    
    

    
    	I'll start:
    
    	Skin of My Teeth
    	Symphony of Destruction
    
    	[Forgot the rest.  8^)]
    
    							GTI

    
    Skin Of My Teeth
    Symphony Of Destruction
    Architecture Of Agression
    Foreclosure Of A Dream
    Sweating Bullets
    This Is My Life
    Countdown To Extinction
    Psychotron
    High Speed Dirt
    Captive Honour
    Ashes In My Mouth
    
	All our ROOLIN' tunes! I recommend the album to everyone in the
    world!
    
    

    >	All our ROOLIN' tunes! I recommend the album to everyone in the
    >    world!
    
    Thanks for the song list.  This album not only has great tunes, but
    has great sonics too!  Made my rear view mirror vibrate off last
    week!!!
    
    Thanks a bunch,
    
    -Stevie D

    I just saw the video for the song "Foreclosure of a dream" and whle the
    video was pretty standard , the song was tres' cool. IMHO!
    
         Friz
    

Remember, young Friz-pup...

MEGAdeth RULES the WORLD !!  When Harry Cody can play like Marty, and
Tin-tin can write lyrics like Mustaine, I'll BE there.

It's a total TUDE!
:)

    Megadeth SUX!

    
    Re: Friz
    
    Did you get the message the video was sending. It's pretty subtle, but
    totally rulin' idear.
    
    Re: Coop
    
    I agree!!
    
    Re: Buck
    
    Yeah but if Megadeth sux than Shotgun sux more.
    
    

    Uh-huh...
    
    Marty RULES.

    Marty is in the WRONG band!!

    Wrong band  ??  NOT!
    
    (Insert pic of Marty p*ssing into Tin-Tins' mouth as he sings, "Sex
    Drugs Rock-n-Roll thru a garden hose. :)
    
    jc
    

    
    Buck yer deluded.
    
    

    What a laugh!!  MegaDump *deams* of the day they are as good a band
    as SHOTGUN are!

    
    Yer crazy Buck.
    
    
    

RE: .401

Agreed.

Shotgun is a cool band, musician wise, but they are nancy-blouse...
Their lyrics are meaningless, and down right posuer.  They could take 
lyric writing lessons from Warrant!!

JMHO, of course.  Apples and oranges too.  Megadeth is something you listen
to, whilst Shotgun is something that you have to sift thru to hear Harry Cody's
guitar work.  TinTin is useless as a lyrics writer.  I guess it's to be 
expected when a cartoon on HBO is named after the bassist in yer band!!

Again, JMO.
jc

    HEY! I was trying to be cool and say how much I like the MEGA
    video/song and everybody has to compare SM to them....WHY?
    
     Are they even close to the same thing? NO! 
    
     Personally, I don't think the lyrics on SM's album are bad... I like
    them.   Since Coop doesn't really right lyrics, his opinion in invalid.
    8)
    
           
     Chris: I didn't really watch the vid for something deep...What's it
    trying to say?
    
          Friz
    

    
    
>> lyric writing lessons from Warrant!!
    
    	Ha!
    
    
    

    
    Re: Frizkid
    
    That the American people are taking all this political shite 'sitting
    down' and that this will continue to go on unless you stand up and make
    a difference.
    
    Sort of a Rock The Vote type video.
    
    

Coop 'rights' plenty of lyrics, ya young pose-puppy.  :)

You're right tho - MegaDeth and Shotgun are two different types.
Shotgun are pose, and MegaDeth are rockers with attitudes.

Hearthbreak blvd - Wagagagagagagaaaa...
:)

    
    we... we ride the storm....
    
    
    
    
>> Coop 'rights' plenty of lyrics, ya young pose-puppy.  :)
         ^^^^^^
    
    Ha! Coop,you kill me!
    

heh-heh-heh...

    Buggur off....The spirit of Wendy-o came back to me. I was wrong...I
    no, I no. 8)
    
     Coop: Could I venture to say that the lyrics I have heard from you are
    worse than Sm's? 
    
     Friz
    

    
    btw, anybody know where that electronic board that shows the current
    deficit is located?  saw it in the video being discussed.
    

I don't beleive you've ever heard any lyrics that *I've* written...
...And they would never be like SM's!  They'd probably give you 
nightmares.   :)

    
    
    C'mon coop. Everyone knows you wrote that awesome tune;
    
    "She's Dancin' Alone"
    
    
    

    re: .405
    
    But what does that have to do with the name of the song "Forclosure of
    a Dream"?  I didn't read the lyrics so I didn't know it was about
    anything politcal.
    
    Do they have a video out for "Skin Of My Teeth?"
    
    |KS|
    

    
    The song is VERY political. Mostly about taxes being raised on the
    middle and lower classes.
    
    

    
    	Sorry, Buck...
    
    	I agree with you on quite a few things (I can't believe I admitted
    	that!) ;)
    
    	But Megadeth is GREAT!  Much better than SM although I like them 
    	too!
    
    	I can't wait to see them on the 8th!
    
    								-MegaSeth
    

    KEn: The song was written by the bass player and when his family had
    their ,farm shut-down...Hence the title "Forclosure of a Dream".
    
    They don't have a video for Skin of my Teeth yet....Just FOAD AND SOD.
    
      Coop: None of those lyrics I heard on the HB tape were yours? (Not
    that you'd probably admit it) 8)  Nightmares? I doubt it....
    
     Chris: What you don't like the subject matter in DA? 8)
    
     Friz
    

No, I didn't write the lyrics on any of the tunes on the HB tape.
I did contribute a little here and there...But mostly got told to shut 
up and play the guitar.  :)

Doesn't matter though - see I'm a firm beleiver that lyrics are just 
fillers between guitar solos...  SO - If a band has lyrics, they'd best
be good ones, or I won't even here 'em.

Now, for an example of my lyrical writing ability, just ask me for a copy 
of the lyrics to the 'MIDI Rack Puke Rap'.   :)  That was in 1991 - this 
year it's not a HUTCH but a Curio Cabinet.  :)

    >  SO - If a band has lyrics, they'd best
    >be good ones, or I won't even here 'em. 
    
         I ***here*** lyrics all the time. 
    
           Got ya back...8)
    
    Friz
    

    
    Frizkid strikes back!
    
    Call him GrammarWhiz!
    
    
    

    Wagagagagagag...  Hate when that happens.
    :)

    Just heard Foreclosure of a Dream today for the first time and before I
    knew who and what song it was I thought the lead vocals sounded like
    UKJ, kinda rough and deep.... anyone else hear the similarity?
    
                                                                Rat

    re: -1
    
    No, but I noticed a similarity between UKJ's Neighbor and Megadeth's
    guitar rhythms.
    
    |KS|
    

    Dave M. has got a 'whiny' voice while Whitfield has more gruff but I 
    could kind of see a them sounding the same.
    
     Friz
    

    
    Who's goin' to see MEGADETH/SUCIDAL TENDENCIES on Sunday?
    
    
    

    Sha...I'd show up late if I was.
    
     Friz
    

    
    Re: Friz
    
    I was thinkin' that... but I have 10th row center tickets and back stage
    passes are 99.99% probablity. So I miht just go for the hell of it.
    
    

    Good Call....Ask Dave M. why he said in The Decline of Westen
    Civilization why his words to an up and coming band were "DON'T"?
    
     I hate the lead 'singer' for ST what an idiot.
    
      Friz
    

    
    
    
    RE: Esco.
    
    99.99%.. I bet'chya monday you'll be sayin that you ended up getting
    the .01%.. 
    
    

    
    Re: Jim
    
    Probably. But the person that's getting them has gotten back stage
    passes for the last 5 concerts she's gone to.
    
    

    SURE...and you're having dinner with Nuno Bettencourt too.
    
        Friz
    

    ..before the show.

    
    
    
    SSSSSSSS  TTTTTTTT
    SSSSSSSS  TTTTTTTT
    SSS         TTTT
    SSS         TTTT
    SSSSSSSS    TTTT
    SSSSSSSS    TTTT
         SSS    TTTT
         SSS    TTTT
    SSSSSSSS    TTTT
    SSSSSSSS    TTTT

    
    Ahhh shaddup.
    
    Nuno's out of the U.S. how do you expect him to be at my house...
    
    
    

    Isn't he flying back to the States just to eat dinner with you before
    the Megadeth show?
    
     I mean, what are 'friends' for?
    
          Friz
    

    
    Awww shaddup.
    
    

    
    
    When did Nuno leave town?

    Right after his last dinner at Chris' house.  Wouldn't you?
    
    gh

    
    
    
    Oh ya, thats right...
    
    Chris, did you drop him off at the airport? 

    
    You're all pathetic. You're just giving me ammunition when I we do
    battle in personel.
    
    
    
    /cte
    
    

    Does anybody agree with me that -1 is probably the NOTE OF THE YEAR?
    
     Friz
    

    I do...

    Greg fer"Not_ie"

    
    
    	only a few hours until Megadeth!!!  I can't wait!!!  ;^)
    
    	(I suppose I should leave N.Y. sometime soon!) ;)
    
    
    							-MegaSeth

    
    I've got a sore neck.
    
    

    >I've got a sore neck.
    
So how'd those front row tickets and backstage passes turn out???  Did you
go in Nuno's limo?

Tim

    I sure hope that you didn't go to a MEgadeth show with an empty
    stomach?
         Did Nuno go in drag as not to be discovered? HE's short enough to
    stand in as your girlfriend, Chris. 8)
    
     I bet Nuno didn't go because if he heard Mustaine's guitar licks he
    would die laughing.
    
    Did you get backstage? Sha........
    
     Friz
    

    
    Shut up you fackin' girlie people!
    
    You all jinxed me! 
    
    Yeah I had 14th row too. 
    
    Don't make me pull a /prc!
    
    

    
    
    
    SO, did you really have 14th row? I thought it was suppose to be 5th?
    and what happen to those backstage passes?! 
    
    
    BTW: how was the show?
    
    Whit_

    
    I saw Megadied on HBB Sat. night.
    
    Musty-stain was wearing a cr@ppy 'tude during the interview segments
    and he looks much uglier in "real life" than he does in the videos.
    
    I turned HBB on about 10 minutes late and just caught the end
    of UKJ's "So Damn Cool" video.  I'm bummin' that I missed that.
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    Chris: You mean Mustaine didn't notice you in the crowd and point for
    one of the roadie to hand you a pass?  WTF?? I thought you had a sore
    neck? 8)
    
    Mustaine's crappy attitude: I hate his attitude EXCEPT when he's
    talking to Ricki "Every shite band is my favorite" Ratchman!
    I love it when Mustaine BUSTS on him. I love it...I love it..I love it!
    Did he say anything about his Ricki's hair except when he said "I like
    it" in a VERY sarcastical manner?
    
    Kevin:Twas' a cool UKJ video...It was pretty much a standard LIVE video
    but it was still cool.
    
         Friz
    

    Jimmy Degrasco of Y&T fame is now in ST. What a waste of talent.
    
      Friz
    

    
    Actually Dave Mustaine's comin' to my house for dinner tonight.
    
    
    

    
    No way, d00d.  We had Musty-stain over for dinner this weekend.
    
    He goes best with a light mushroom cream sauce and white wine.
    
    -- 
    Kevin "Symphony of Indigestion"

    Will your neck be sore tomorrow?

    
    Dave is Comin' over tonight. In fact we're havin' lotsa rockers over
    tonight.
    
    Table Arrangement:
    
    
        *Mustaine* *Vedder* *Bettencourt* *Tyler* *Harris* *Hetfield*
      -------------------------------------------------------------------
      |                                                                 | *
    * |             (turkey stuffing)        (potatoes)  (carrots)      | F
    M |         (salad)       (roast beef)                (green beans) | o
    e |             (cranberry sauce)     (corn on da cob)              | r
    * |                                                                 | d
      ___________________________________________________________________ *
        *Araya* *Ian* *Lane* *Young* *Osbourne* *Madonna* *Ulrich*
    
    
	
    	Anybody wanna drop by?
    
    
    
    

    Ford Prefect is coming to your house?

    
    No. that's Lita Ford. We play footsies under the table.
    
    

I betcha Hetfield will beat the crap outta Mustaine!
:)

    For kicking his dog....
    
    Don't put the carrots by Madonna...You'll hear this loud sucking noise
    coming from under the table and they'll be GONE!!!!!
    
           Friz
    

    Is that JANI LANE coming over?????
    
     Friz
    

    Keep the Corn_On_The_Cobb Away from Mad_Onnamm
    
    
      Crazy_I'm_In_Tears_Laughin_Al

Ford?  Must be Mary Ford.  Is Les Paul coming?

Tim

    
    Re: Friz
    
    Yes we invited Jani Lane. Although he got into a big fight with Tom
    Araya over who got the potatoes first. Tom punched him and Jani cried
    and went home.
    
    
    

    
    escargobar sure has some long legs if he's playing footsie with lita
    under THAT table!
    
    (perfect setup for chris to come back with some stupid lameo comment
    about long things)
    
    :'
    

    
    I was wondering why she had such hairy legs.
    
    I heard Jani was playin' footsies with Tyler.
    
    

    AHHHH...Certainly a baited reply for me but I decline.
    
      Friz
    

>Ford?  Must be Mary Ford. 
    
    Given the people in attendance, I'd guess that BETTY Ford would be more
    appropriate...

    
    Well, I got a chance to give a serious listen to C_to_E last night.
    
    Impressions follow:
    
    
    
    They don't suck nearly as bad as I thought they did!
    
    Bwahahahahahaha!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
    
    
    
    But seriously, I actually kinda liked it, though listening to
    Musty-stain force his voice to do all kinds of unnatural things
    gets a bit uncomfortable after a while.
    
    First we had the Foreigner school of painful guitar playing and
    now we have the Megadeth school of painful singing.
    
    I think I'll buy it.
    
    -- 
    Kevin
         

    
    The album rules and you shall soon see the light.
    
    

No Chris, RIP rules, the latest effort is PDGBCHCTRIP (thats: pretty damn good
but can't hold a candle to RIP).  Got it ??

jc

    
    Well, I went out and bought C_to_E today and I'm listening to it
    now.
    
    Megadeth (and death-metal in general) aren't really my cup of
    tea, but this one does not suck at all.
    
    "High Speed Dirt" makes me think of skydiving...
    
    "Skin O' My Teeth" is a qool song...
    
    I also like the two songs, SOD and FOAD that have been getting
    lots 'o radio play.
    
    -- 
    Kevin, not such an old fart after all...

    
    Death metal?
    
    
    High speed dirtis *about* sky diving. Which Dave does often.
    
    

    > High speed dirtis *about* sky diving. Which Dave does often.
    
    Makes perfect sense then...  (the lyrics make it sound like he's
    got a preoccupation with going splat.  Yeah, death metal.)
    

    High Speed should be about Roller Coasters ... I'm writing a letter
    to Musty-Stain!!

    
    Death metal?
    
    

    
    What would you call it?
    

    Coaster Metal!

We're going to have THIS discussion again?!  :^)

I would NOT call this Death Metal at all. IMHO anyhow.  Where's
that Dlee guy anyhow, he's into that. HE can tell you.

Kev, what makes you call it death metal, thier name?

-a

    
    I call it HEAVY METAL.
    
    

         
    Re: Andy
    
    No, not the name of the band (though it just adds to the impression),
    but the themes explored by the lyrics.  For example:
    
    	I had wrists donning slits
    	Flowing constantly
    	My broken body in a wreck
    	wrapped around a tree
    	...
    
    	No escaping pain
    	You belong to me
    	Clinging on to life
    	By the skin o' my teeth
    	...
    
    That's what I mean by "Death Metal" as opposed to the general non-death
    themes in music by Queensryche, Extreme, UKJ, Aerosmith (with only
    a couple of exceptions), etc., etc...
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    
    Re: Escodude
    
    Yeah, it's definitely HEAVY METAL, but I would place it (IMHO) in
    the subcategory of Death Metal.
    

    
I had wrists donning slits
Flowing constantly
My broken body in a wreck
Wrapped around a tree
A crosswalk hit and run
The finish line for me
People clutter in the gutter
Take a look and see

 No escaping pain
 You belong to me
 Clinging on to life
 By the Skin O' My Teeth

My blood flows through th streets
Deluge from the wounds
Empty jar of sleeping pills
On the dresser in my room
My wet brain, Neighbor cranes
His neck to see
In time the white lights of a train
Bearing down on me

 No escaping pain
 You belong to me
 Clinging on to life
 By the Skin O' My Teeth

I wont feel the hurt
I'm not trash any longer
That that doesn't kill me
Only makes me stronger
I need a ride to the morgue
That's what 911 is for
So tag my toe and don't forget
ooohh, to close the door

    I left out something so it wouldn't be considered complete lyrics.
    
    Anyway, the song is about how dave tried to kill himself when he
    was drugged up.
    
    big deal, Queensryche wrote a song about a parent dying. So I guess
    they're death metal. They wrote a whole CONCEPT album about suicide,
    drugs, sex and religion. So are they death metal?
    
    

    
    Sheesh.  Forget it.  I'm sorry I brought it up.
    

    Buzz..Wrong. Megadeth isn't DEATH METAL...Far too conservitive for
    death metal...Those guys are OUT OF IT!!
    
    If you asked a death metal person about Megadeth they'd laugh and call
    them p***y posuers. 
    
              Friz
    

    re:  Kevin
    
    Those lyrics are nothing compared to what Death Metal really is like!
    Megadeth is speed metal.
    
    Where *IS* Duy when you need a good Death Metal lyric..... Anyway,
    check the lyric note.... You'll probably see some in there....
    
    Metallica aren't death metal either, but they sure had the word "die"
    in their songs quite a bit on the first three albums!  Like:
    
    	So Let it be written
    	So let it be done
    	To kill the first born Pharoah's child
    	I'm creeping death
        ...
    	Die, by my hand
    	I travel 'cross the land
    	Killing first born man   
    
    or...
    	Who made you God to say
    	I'll take your life from you?
    	Flash before my eyes
    	Now it's time to die... yeah
    	Burning in my brain
    	I can feel the pain
    
    	Waiting for the sign
    	to flick the switch of death
    	the final curtain call I see
    	Death in the air
    	strapped in the electric chair
    	this can't be happening to me
    
    
    

Even though some of Megadeth's lyrics use death imagery, they don't really fit
into the category of death metal.  Slayer is a better example of that genre, 
as are other bands with a relentless fixation on death, torture, violence, and
Satanism.

Megadeth used to bill themselves as the world's fastest speed metal band, which 
was never true, but they fit more easily into the speed metal segment of the
market.

FWIW, even though C_to_E is very good, it doesn't even compare to Megadeth's 
best work on "So Far So Good."  Now THAT was a great album.  I think Dave is
getting a little too involved in his political causes to concentrate on his
music.



Rob

Coasters don't go fast - ZX-11R's go FAST...

jc (Who thinks MegaDeth is just old fashioned rock-n-roll)

    Kevin, the problem here is that there is a specific sub-genre of metal
    that uses the term "death metal" to describe itself.  It's a lot more
    then just the lyrics, it's a whole sound.  It is extremely heavy (much
    moreso then Megadeth, especially on their latest), the vocals are
    heavily distorted (the "draino" sound), and the lyrics have consistant
    themes of satanism, gore, and death (in extremely graphic terms).
    
    I'm with Ken, I'd call Megadeth "speed metal".
    
    gh

    Wow I think he got the point by now!  :')
    
    You still there Kev?.....

    Re: Kevin,
     
     Am here.  Anyway, Ken and Gh are right.  Megadeth is speed metal and
    Metallica is thrash metal.  Death metal way different the other of
    music.  The music wicked brutal sh*t with lots of growling while sing.
    Here is the lyrics for sample, so you can see the different 
    
   Intro...
   I SUMMON FORTH THE SENTINEL OF THE PIT TO EMBRACE THIS SANCTUARY!
   SHATTER THE BOUNDS OF TIME AND DIMENSION AS WE IGNITE THE BLACK
   FLAME OF SATAN, BEHOLD THE GATE IS OPEN!
   ZODACARE OD ZODMERANU SHEMHAFORASH!
   OH COMPANION OF THE NIGHT, LOOK FAVORABLY ON OUR SACRIFICES.



	SATAN I SUMMON THEE FROM YOUR INFERNAL PLACE,
	YOU WHO HAVE BEEN SAID TO HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.
	HEAR OUR CALL AS WE CRY OUT IN BLASPHEMY,
	COME FORTH FROM THE VOID AND REVEAL YOURSELF TO ME.

	EVIL LORD HEAR OUR CRIES
	PRINCE OF HELL WE ASK YOU TO RISE

  	LUCIFER, I SUMMON THEE, OH BEARER OF LIGHT.
	CAST THY SHADOW OVER THE EARTH ON THIS BLACKENED NIGHT.
	TAKE FLIGHT ON LEATHERN WINGS AND SHOW US DESIRE,
	COME FORTH OH EVIL ONE FROM THE SEARNING LAKE OF FIRE.

	RISE NOW FROM THE FLAME
	WE PRONOUNCE YOUR UNHOLY NAME

	DELIAL AND LEVIATHAN I ALSO SUMMON THEE,
	MASTERS OF THE SHADOWED WOODS AND OF THE BRIEY SEA
	COME FORTHY AS WE NOW SAY ALL THE SACRED WORDS
	WE YOUR FAITHFUL CHILDREN NOW WALT TO BE HEARD.

	HAIL SATAN, CRUCIFER
	FLESH AND BLOOD, HELL'S DESIRE.

  
	Summoning The Master - ACHERON
	(Rites Of The Black Mass) released 92
	Lyrics by ORDER OF THE EVIL EYE (Peter H. Gilmore), BLACK WIDOW 
	MANAGEMENT (Crowley) and TRADITIONAL BLACK MASS TEXTS.


	-Dle
	  |
	  |
	6-+-6
 	  |
	  6

    ahhhh yes.... kinda makes ya feel all warm inside huh?
    
    :')
    

    Five hundred repliez!

    Re: Greg
    
    > I'm with Ken, I'd call Megadeth "speed metal".
    
    Even though they're not that fast? :-)
    
    (Motorhead is what I'd call "speed metal.")
    

    
    OK, I concede the point.
    
    Compared to some other stuff that I wouldn't ordinarily call "music",
    Megadeth is not Death Metal.  Compared to a lot of the stuff that
    I normally listen to, it is.
    
    Just a matter of perspective, I guess...
    
    Regardless, I did buy C_to_E and I actually like most of it.
    It's probably one of the heaviest CDs I own aside from some
    Dead Kennedys stuff I have from my punk days (which I don't
    listen to much anymore...)
    
    -- 
    Kevin

My mouse just burst into flames !!

    DK's rool!!!

There, I KNEW Dle could straighten this out with some PRIME examples.

Death metal is to me exactly that, more towards satanism etc.

Now Kev, got any other opinions you'd like smashed?!?!  ;^) :^)

-a

PS  Folks remember, Kev likes to, er, play with guns. Be nice. :^)

    
    Re: Andy
    
    Bambi Killer!  Bambi Killer!
    
    -- 
    Kevin "I carry a gun in case I have to shoot a person, not a deer."

    
    is THAT what was set hidden???  :') :')
    
    re: .495
    
    Thought you liked smaller bikes, coop?!?  :')
    
    

    
    So, having skimmed through the relatively content-free first
    150 notes or so of this topic, I still have some questions:
    
    What is Marty Friedman's background before he joined Megadeth?
    
    How many Megadeth albums has he been on?
    
    When did Mustaine leave Metallica?
    
    Was he replaced by Kirk Hammett?
    
    I really like Marty's guitar work - he's a real fret burner, but
    Musty-stain's voice still bugs me.
    
    -- 
    Kevin
         

    >What is Marty Friedman's background before he joined Megadeth?
    
    He was "discovered" by Mike Varney of Sharpnel Records.  Varney
    orignally signed Marty as a solo artist, but then  teamed his
    up with fellow axe slayer Jason Becker, to form the group Cacophony
    (see Cacophony note here in HM).  Cacophony released two group
    albums on Shrapnel records, and Marty and Jason both released one
    solo album each before disbanding.  Jason went on to join David
    Lee Roth, and Marty to join Megadeth.
    
    
    >How many Megadeth albums has he been on?
    
    Two -- Rust in Peace and Countdown to Extinction, respectively.
    
    
    >When did Mustaine leave Metallica?
    
    Forget the year, but during the recording of Kill Em All
    
    
    >Was he replaced by Kirk Hammett?
    
    Yes, Kirk came right from the band Exodus to replace Dave, who went on
    to immediately form Megadeth.
    
    
    >I really like Marty's guitar work - he's a real fret burner, but
    >Musty-stain's voice still bugs me.
    
    Check out Cacophony's Speed Metal Symphony -- a *classic* HM album!!!

    
    Thanks.
    

RE: Rob

I like small bikes for scratchin' pavement in the canyons, but I like
big bikes for goin' FAST !!  ZX11R's are FAST !!

    Good response, Buck, but doesn't Marty have a couple of solo albums
    too?  Pretty sure he does...
    
    gh

    
    Nope, Marty's one and only solo album is entitled 'Dragons Kiss'. Its a
    good piece of work.
    
    I had the pleasure of sitting in with Marty at a Radio interview where he
    had his guitar, an amp and a backibg tape and jammed, live on air, to
    the tape - he burns!

    Tart's right, Glh, The Martster's only got one solo lp under his belt,
    the aforemention Dragon's Kiss!

Marty RULES !!

jc (Who would've LOVED to seen him jam live!)

    
    I read the Musty-stain interview in the Jan '93 (!!, yes it's out
    already) issue of Guitar School.
    
    I think I'm gonna hurl.
    
    Also in this issue, interviews with Tommy Shaw and Ted Nugent and
    transcriptions of Damn Yankees "Where you Goin' Now", Megadeth
    "Countdown To Extinction", Ministry "Jesus Built My Hotrod",
    Spin Doctors "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong", Stray Cats "Rock This
    Town" (an oldie?!) and Body Count "There Goes The Neighborhood."
    
    

<Ministry "Jesus Built My Hotrod",
    
    What did they transcribe from it?  "Use sample of car..." "Loop sampled
    drums", "Add sample of found dialog"...???
    
    gh

    Never write transcriptions like that again, Kevin!

    
    HM name dropping:
    
    Steven King, in the book "The Wastelands (The Dark Tower III)"
    mentions a Megadeth/Anthrax show that was only slightly louder
    than the Guardian that had treed Eddie, one of the characters.
    
    (We know that King is a big AC/DC fan.  Is he also into other
    metal bands as well?)
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    
    I remember several references to Axl Rose from the most exellent
    Stephen King book "Needful Things".
    
    -Tony

Actually, King loves hard rock, and lots of different rock n'roll, but I don't
think he likes heavy metal too much.  In "Needfull Things", he calls Axl Rose
an a$$hole.  In "It", he makes derogatory comments about a Judas Priest/Iron 
Maiden double bill at the Derry arena.

Certainly, those same comments have been made by people in this very file. ;-)
However, I just don't get the feeling that King likes HM.  He does like
AC/DC, Springsteen, the Doors, and lots of other rock, though.


Rob

    In "Needful Things" I wished I coulda been there to see Cora Rusk and
    Nettie Cobb go at it. 

    
    I think he mentioned GnR in The Sun Dog as well...  
    
    

    ...king mentions  some hard rock/hm song in most of his work...wasn't
    the movie "maximum drive" loaded with AC/DC tunes...and the book "the
    stand"...has lyrics from BOC's Don't Fear the Reaper, i believe....
    ...he obviously likes this stuff or he wouldn't mention it........./k

    Sad but true

    RE: -1
    
    Cool Tune!
    
    

    ..i thought metallica did that one...;')............/k

    
    	Hey, guess what?  I was at Strawberries tonight, and I spotted
    	a new album on the shelf...  it was...
    
    	Marty Friedman - 'Scenes'
    
    	It is brandy new, I have only listened to two songs, but it
    	seems cool!  Nick Menza is on drums, and Brian DeVoy (or something
    	like that he is from Kiato?) on Keyboard....
    
    							-Seth

    
    Cool! I'll be lookin' fer it.
    
    

    
    
    	Don't get yer hopes up Chris....
    
    	It is not heavy at all....  It is really good, but not heavy at
    all.
    	It is more of a com'poseur' album (hehehe)  I think Buck would
    	love it...  As I do...
    
    	I am just saying you have to be prepared for the style, it is not
    	heavy, it is almost classical in part.
    
    
    							-Seth

    
    Yabbut, if you're really, really into awesome guitar playing,
    you'll like it no matter what style it is.
    
    Heck, I even went to see Segovia play once.  Awesome.  He
    could have taught Satch, Vai, EVH, Yngwie, Marty and all the
    others a thing or three.
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    
    
    >Yabbut, if you're really, really into awesome guitar playing,
    >you'll like it no matter what style it is.
    	I agree, but not everyone is into 'just awesome guitar
    	playing no matter what style'  That is why I am warning 
    	people...  It is only a warning, it is not saying it is
    	bad, coz I personally like it a lot!
    
    
    					-Seth
    

    Not sure I understand your description, Seth.  What style of music is
    it?  Rock?  Jazz?  Are there vocals or is it instrumental?
    
    gh

    
    Re: Seth
    
    Agreed, but since I'm into that sort of thing, I already know
    in advance that there is a pretty good chance that I'll like
    it.  It's going on my list of things to buy.
    
    Can you post more comments when you've had more time to
    give it a thorough listen?
    

    
    
    	Well, Greg it is hard to say......  I don't think most of
    	it is rock, it seems really classical in parts, and very relaxing
    	type music....  Violins in parts, chuch bells, hard to describe.
    	It is an all instrumental album.  A classical guitar album?!?!?!
    	
    								-Seth

    reply to Debbs #27:
    
    You cant be more right!!! at the time they had there falling out and
    Dave M found Dave Elefson in the same apartment they were living in
    Mustaine heard Elefson playing and since then they went though thick 
    and thin( going against the grain till the end ),and didnt sell out
    like Metallica did sell-out or go comercial same thing.Metallica
    slowed down so much I fall asleap to it!!!
        
          Although some people say there new album Count down is comercial
    I say to hell with that!!! But did notice that this album is the first 
    with out     V.I.C.   on the cover!!!
    
          Rattle your god dam head:Pete
    

    
    I picked up Marty's "Scenes" today.  Haven't given it a thorough
    listen yet, but Seth was right... It's, um, er, different.
    
    I like it, but it's different.
    
    Full review at a future date.
    
    -- 
    Kevin

 >   like Metallica did sell-out or go comercial same thing.Metallica
 >    slowed down so much I fall asleap to it!!!
  
    Probably because they have nothing worth "selling" or going
    "commercial" with! And its not a matter of them slowing down, its
    matter of having some intelligent and  lyrics worth listening to!! 
    
                                                             Rat

    
    Its ashame Ha???
    
    
    Pete
    

    
>    I picked up Marty's "Scenes" today.  Haven't given it a thorough
>    listen yet, but Seth was right... It's, um, er, different.
	I told ya!!! hehehehe ;^)   It is cool though! 

	Gotta give it a chance... 


						-Seth

	Oh by the way, I had one of my friends listen to it, and
	he said that The keyboard guy must have been shoting
	Marty with tranquilizer (sp?) darts.....

	hehehehehehe!!!


						-Seth

    
    The new video for Sweating Bullets is incredible. The cinematography is
    fantastic. 
    
    

Sweating Bullets ??

Never heard of it - you can tell from my p-n.
:-)

    I like that video, too....kinda makes me dizzy though....
    
    :), danielle

    danielle......standing in one spot makees you dizzy too!....;'))...../k

    Yeah, actually it does sometimes
    
    :), danielle

    Don't fret ... it may be just the rotational movement of the earth
    throwing you off! :)
                        Rat

    ...geez ratt and i thought there was hope for you ...right up until the
    tired old "dumb blonde" comment................................../k
    

    Hopeless? ... I've been called worse! :)
    
    Sorry didn't mean to offend anyone, it just all reminded me of a
    *particular* blonde that had a equallibberiem (?) problem too that i
    would tease! :)
                   Rat

    
    nice spelling...
    
    :')
    

    
    
    
    Just saw the new Megadeth video yesterday... COOOOL!

    
      Hey Jim is she a cute Blonde?
     That is the Question...
    
       Later:Pete
    
     (Its that damned head-spin kid again)
    
    

    There were a few JPEG's posted to a.b.p.m today, including one of the
    "Rust in Peace" cover.

    re. Mike
    
    	HUH?!?!?

    He found a graphic image of the Megadeth "Rust in Peace" album cover
    art on a Usenet newsgroup.
    
    gh

    
         New Megadeth album, or should I say CD, will be
    released on Halloween night, at the stroke of 12:00
    midnight.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    
    Cool!

    
    > Cool!
    
    Yesserie!!!   I loved their last show at the Centrum:  no
    lengthy guitar, bass, or drum solos anywhere.  Wail out
    their set and hightail it outta there!!
    
    Perhaps the heavy metal "attitude" thing should be revamped
    for some interesting discussion where relevant...
    
    Looking forward to the end of October,
    Kev --
    

    Mustaine, loved AZ so much when he was in detox in Wickenburg that he
    sold his home and bought one here in Phoenix.  Now a couple of the
    other band members have followed him out here.

    Picked up the new Megadeth.  Listened to it twice, and
    I'm in limbo on this one.  It's certainly not great.
    Perhaps after a few more listens...
    
    Anyone else?
    
    Kev --
    

    
    	I didn't know there was one ... but I guess I'll have to pick
    	it up and find out.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    I heard a couple songs, thought it was decent.. It's on my "ta'buy" 
    list... 
    
    Whit-

    
    on my eventual list.  saw them do 2 or 3 songs on mtv for some
    halloween special.
    

    
    
    I saw some of that show,just in time to see "Peace sells..."At one
    point they even sounded quite melodic,which I find quite scarey! 8)
    
    
    
    							ian

    
    Listened to the new one again yesterday.  I don't know, 
    sounds a bit B-O-R-I-N-G.
    
    kev --
    

    
    yeah, i saw in some interview that they decided to be melodic on this
    album.
    

	I saw that interview also, along with the MTV special.. The CD sounded
buyable.. In that interview Dave M. was thrashing other bands again saying 
something on the lines that Him and Hetfield created a new style of music that
everyone today is playing.. Saying that all the bands cashing in on it should
thank him, etc.. Said he didn't wanna mention any names, but then he started
with Pantera, etc.. That guy is all 'tude.. 

Whit-

    I heard a new song on the radio yesterday, wasn't too bad.  I liked it
    better then anything on the last album, even at first listen.  Kind of
    disappointed that there was no guitar solo.  Someone break a few of
    Marty Friedman's fingers or something?
    
    Greg

    
    	I picked up the new one this morning ... stopped at a mall music
    	store and they wanted $18 for it, so I stopped at the Strawberries
    	1/2 mile away and bought it for $13.
    
    	Greg, you didn't like the last album?  Or you did like it, and
    	the new song you heard was so great it was even better than any
    	of the previous songs?  I liked the last album, so I guess it's
    	a coin flip as to whether I'll like this one.
    
    							GTI
    

>    	Greg, you didn't like the last album?  Or you did like it, and
>    	the new song you heard was so great it was even better than any
>    	of the previous songs? 
    
    I didn't like the last one.  The last one they did that I liked was
    Rust In Peace.  I didn't care for the following one.
    
    Greg

    
    	Well, I've listened to most of the new one ... basically, I
    	don't like it.  Like you said, Greg, that 1 song is missing
    	the guitar solo ... and the funny thing is, I don't even know
    	what song you heard.  Seems like almost all the songs are
    	missing the guitar solo.
    
    	The last album had alot more kick to it ... hit you right
    	where it counts, you know?
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    	I just bought it this weekend and while listening to it on the 
    way in today was thinking the same thing.. It's not bad, but seems
    to be missing the initial kick.. I do really like the 1st song though.
    
    Whit-

         Heard that tickets for a Feb. 2nd Wallace Civic Center
    show with CoC supporting go on sale this Sat.  Anyone planning
    on going?
    
    Kev --
                                

	I'll most likely be there.. Wallace Civic Center is the best sounding 
place, but it's general admission!

	Whit-

    I'd like to see CoC but I'm not bothered about Megadeth.I've seen them
    about 4 times and they're nothing outstanding!]
    
    
    
    
    						ian

    -1
    
    yeah, I agree--even with fretburner Marty Friedman, MegaDeth snorz
    in concert!!

    
    
    Oh, and my reply should have read "ISN'T the best sounding place"!

    Got Youthanasia for V-day.  It's definately not a "RustInPiece", but
    it's not bad - I think it'll grow on me.  Cool trivia:
    
    - loosely translated (from what I can figure out - can anyone help)
    
    A Tout Le Monde
    (To all who listen??)
     
    A Tout Les Ami
    (To all my friends)
    
    Je Vous Aime
    (I love you)
    
    Je Dois Partir
    (I gotta go)
    
    These are the last words
    I'll ever speak
    And they'll set me free
    
    
    This is MEGA DETH!?!?  What up!?
    jc
      

    
    >A Tout Le Monde
    >(To all who listen??)
    
    
    	Probably ... the actual translation is "to all the world".
    

    Yeah - thats cool - what else does it say ??  DO you know french??
    Am I close?
    
    jc (Who doesn't know french at all)

    
    	Yeah, you got the rest right.
    
    	I took 4 years of French in high school, so I have a working
    	knowledge of the language, although I'd be pretty rusty try-
    	ing to speak it now.
    
    	And DEFINITELY don't ask me to conjugate verbs, especially
    	subjunctive/etc., because I was lost then and I'd be even
    	more lost now.  8^)
    

    RE: jc, GTI
    
    You almost got it, although translating "A tout le monde" by "To all
    the world" is a small non-sense.
    "Tout le monde" is a French expression which means "Everybody".
    
    Btw, do you know why part of this song was in French, and why the next
    one on the CD is called "elysian Fields" (Champs-Elysees if I'm right ?) ?
    Was it just for business (And business is good : they sold a huge
    amount of Youthanasia copied here !) ?
                                            
    
    Fred (Who's learnt French for 28 years !).

     

    
     Anyone know of the avaliabilty in North America of the new Megadeth
    disk?  Its an 8 track disk, 7 from movie soundtracks, 1 unreleased
    track.  I gotta pick this up... 
    
    Keith
    

It comes free with later pressings of Youthanasia (sp?) in the UK.  Maybe there 
are plans to do it across the pond too...Have you checked with the WWW page, or 
something?

    
     I hope they sell it separate, I already have Youth...
     
     Keith
    

    
    	New CD out called "Hidden Treasures", with 1 unreleased and 7
    	previously released from other albums, like soundtracks:
    
    	"No More Mr. Nice Guy" - from "Shocker"
    	"Paranoid" - excellent cover, if you like Dave's voice
    	"Diadems"
    	"Problems"
    	"Go to Hell" from "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey" [I believe]
    	"99 Ways to Die"
    	"Angry Again"
    	"Breakpoint"
    

    Angry Again is a cool toon...
    
    I gotta love these guys...

    
    When was this released? I just finally picked up Youthanasia, think it
    is pretty decent, along the lines of the last album. Love the way they
    do the leads, usually fast, what I call biting, and sharp.
    
    Metal Mike