Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    	I see Heavy Metal getting faster and harder.  The first time
    I heard Metallica, I thought it was too much.  Now, compared to
    some of the other stuff out there today, Metallica is almost like
    Lawrence Welk (by comparison).  Bands like Guns & Roses, Poison,
    and Cinderella will always be popping up to satisfy a lost need
    for some of us but will just as quickly fade.  The survivors like
    Rush, Priest, Van Whatever, and AC/DC will be around for a while I
    think because a lot of us metalheads grew up around these guys and
    they're like old friends.  There will always be faster musicians
    and less emphasis on the feeling - because that doesn't sell many
    records anymore.  What rocks today may be considered blues tomorrow.
    Anymore ideas ?????
    
    
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    Hey, how much faster can speed metal get?! 
    In our society, fads/fashion/music seem to have life cycles. They
    are popular, fade away, and come back (hold onto those disco three-
    pieces!). Maybe when they come back, they're not as prominent as
    they were before, but they still have influence. A song that was
    very popular in the fifties, and is a fave of mom and dad, gets
    covered by a current pop star, and becomes a huge hit all over 
    again with their kids.
    	I think we'll see this with heavy metal, but maybe to a lesser
    degree, since metal is such a young type of music. Look at bands
    like The Cult that are very Led Zeppelin styled. Music goes through
    changes, and what was huge a long time ago, becomes forgotten, 
    is resurrected and is considered something new and different.
    Let's hope that Steve and Edie don't come back!!!
    
    /Motorbreath ... who has said enough 
    

    okay mistah cook,
    
    	Just what is S.O.D.  ?????
    
    /Motorbreath.... thinks that Metallica is the best he's heard so
    far!
    

    I can answer that one:
       Stormtroopers of Death (nice name, huh?)
    
    I agree with wjb about the future of HM. I think that speed will
    be downplayed, while blues-based, heavy riffs will come back in
    style (ala Sabbath, LZ, Purple, etc.). Also, pop/metal will 
    become increasingly popular. This may not be the best thing for
    HM, but I think you will see a lot of Top 40 songs will have more
    os an edge to them, as opposed to the Madonna/Tiffany/Debbie Gibson
    syndrome that is out now. 
    
    In other words, metal will have in indirect impact on what the
    general public will listen to, but the real metal will still be
    underground for the most part. (Sorry, but SOD will never be in
    the Top Ten, unless they change their style drastically.)
    
    Alan S.

    
    S.O.D some of their stuff is fast but they don't match NAPALM DEATH, They
    are Five times faster than Slayers Reign in Blood Lp.
    
    Napalm Death come from England and they have an album out called
    "Scum" the tracks range in time from 10 seconds to 2 minutes and
    consists of 28 tracks.  Speed Metals fastest band!!!!!
    
    Speed metal Mehta

    
    
    	RE::.2
    			THE CULT LIKE LED ZEP.
    	excuse me but get OUT!!!no way..........
    							JAM

    re:10
    	Hey dude, maybe in your opinion, but that was the consensus
    of more than one music magazine when the album came out. That
    was before the hype over Zep-clone band.
    	It's also my opinion, and I'm right.   
    
    
    :^)
    
    /Motorbreath

    No sense bickering here.
    
    I personally think The Cult (what I've heard, not necessarily) sounded
    much more like UFO clones than Zep.
    
    gh

    
    	Naw...  I thought that the cult kinda had a AC/DC sound...musically
    speaking.  The voice is diff.
    
    Bk
    

    This topic is spawned out of my recent (and appearing to be the
    odd man out) views on over-produced pop music.
    
    I've spoken about my dislike for the new metal singles out of late
    (New Poison, New JonBomb, New Extreme)...what do YOU people think
    about this stuff?
    
    To me, it's not rock n roll, or in the spirit of it at least.  I
    saw LA Guns last night...they were playing without a rhythm
    guitarist...it sounded empty at times, and the vocals were a bit out of
    tune, and the guitars were really loud and also out of tune, but
    to me, THIS is rock n roll...not this high-tech, sampled,
    quadruple-tracked stuff.  Gimme AC/DC or early Clash or Ramones...
    those guys know how to rock it out.
    
    So, take it from here...what are the merits for metal these days?
    Should it be a slick product...one keeping in line with the 90s??
    
    B.

	RE: Buck
    	
	>saw LA Guns last night...they were playing without a rhythm
    	>guitarist...it sounded empty at times, and the vocals were a bit out of
    	>tune, and the guitars were really loud and also out of tune, but
    	>to me, THIS is rock n roll...not this high-tech, sampled,
    	>quadruple-tracked stuff.  Gimme AC/DC or early Clash or Ramones...
    	>those guys know how to rock it out.
    
    	I don't understand.  Wasn't one of the reasons you left the
    	Peasant Kings because they wanted to keep that garage,
    	rough sound???  
    
    	>So, take it from here...what are the merits for metal these days?
    	>Should it be a slick product...one keeping in line with the 90s??
    
    	>This topic is spawned out of my recent (and appearing to be
    	>the odd man out) views on over-produced pop music.
    
    	Well, FWIW, I don't think Bon Jovi, Poison, Extreme, Enuff'z'Enuff,
    	etc. ARE metal. They're rock'n'roll - or what's considered to	
    	be rock'n'roll when you put them against the likes of Stevie B.,
    	REM, etc.
    
    	And you've just said it's over-produced POP music.  If you 
    	like metal, listen to it.  But face it, you're NOT going to
    	find it on the radios.  It doesn't sell.  Period.
    
    	tigga~~~

    There is nothing like real, raw metal.  Give me a band with instruments
    and tons of amps.  No mixers, symthesizers(sp), or any of that sh*t.
    
    Chris D. Bring_back_Grand_Funk_Railroad!

          Tigga's right (mostly)
    
          For the most part radio statios don't play Metal. I'll admit
        I'm not really an authority because I'm not a total metal-head but
        I do like quite a bit of it. I was ito Aerosmith and Uriah Heep
        in my late teens. These bands had a few radio hits, but the
        tunes I was into weren't the ones getting airplay. 
    
          I agree with Buck (first time in a long time) on the 
    	"gimme AC/DC, Ramones, or early Clash" , that type of
    	music is just raw energy, crunchy and totally non-processed.
    
    						-Orville/boom/john
    

    
    I have to say that some of the stuff I hear on WAAF etc. is catching
    and has a good beat but, I wouldn't by a long shot call it HEAVY
    METAL.  
    
    FYI - Extreme doesn't consider themselves Heavy Metal it's more
    like FUNKY metal.
    
    I have to agree with Tigga your not gonna hear Heavy Metal on the
    radio unless you stay up for some of those late night shows.
    
    JMHO - Kim
    

    FWIW...Faith No More has been receiving a LOT of airplay of late,
    as did Metallica with One.  I see what youse guys are sayin, but
    I don't think being heavy TOTALLY excludes you from airplay.
    
    Buck, going home for a looong weekend in NYC.

    
    	Well, FnM isn't all-out metal either ... more of a "funky"
    	band than the pure metal bands.
    
    	Maybe people are looking for a change, and this is the first
    	of the "new wave" of metal?
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	RE: .6
    
    	I agree with Shawn.  "Epic" gets airplay and hearing it
    	for the first time, I certainly wouldn't think they were
    	a metal band.
    
    	And as far as Metallica is concerned, pardon the pun, 
    	but one song does not mean it's getting airplay. The
    	only time I've heard Metallica on the radio is Pirate 
    	Radio on Saturday night.
    
    	I just don't think you're going to get to hear the kind
    	of music you're referring to on the radio.  It just doesn't
    	cater to the $$$$$$$$$ makers.
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    	Yeah, Tigga's right (unfortunately) ... radio stations are
    	worried about appealing to the "younger" crowd, and do so
    	by playing "mainstream stuff" like Poison, etc.  Not that
    	there's anything wrong with small doses of the stuff, but
    	when you get into total saturation then it gets sickening.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    Lameness is the disease. Ted Nugent's Double Live Gonzo is the cure.
    
    
    
    
                                  DEEBS

                
                Bcuk, I'm half behind you, I can't stand all this
                GnR, FPussycat, Poison,  Slaughter,  LAGuns  crap
                either,  but  if  I  were  going  to  choose,  it
                wouldn't be Clash or Ramones  either.    I'd say,
                give  me  back Iron Maiden, earlier  Judas  Priet
                (Screaming  for  Vengeance), old Ozzy with Randy,
                old Dio, etc.  Today, the only newer  bands  I'll
                listen   to  are  in  the  area  of  Queensryche,
                Leatherwolf, TNT and Wild Dogs (who aren't around
                anymore anyway).
                
                This new crap  rots.    Thank whoever for musical
                storage medium ...
                
                - Merlin -
                
                

    Well who wants metal to be slick.  The 'monsters of rock' concert is
    coming to Europe in Aug/Sept.  The average price of a ticket to see
    the likes of Aerosmith, Whitesnake, Poison, etc is about 10 pounds
    ($20).  When I went to see the Springsteen USA concert 4 or 5 years
    ago it cost me over 20 pounds.  If metal bands became more commercial
    and, as a result, got more air time, then they would probably also
    become greedier and charge over the top prices for their concerts.

    I don't get as many opportunities to go to concerts these days as I
    used to (especially now Ise a daddy 8^) ), so when I do go I don't
    like to feel that I am being ripped off.  Worse, I can afford it;
    but what about all the kids who should be getting the opportunity to
    see and hear these bands, they certainly can't afford to pay premium 
    prices.                
                
    So a big thumbs down to commercial metal.


GAZ

    
    
    		I don't agree with Rob or Buck obviously there
    	 	 are markets for all the bands people don't like.
    		I mean Metal listners are already a minority why
    	 	 not have bands that cross into pop. If it wasn't
    	 	for bands like Jovi,Def Leppard, Poison,Quiet Riot,	
    		 Metallica would never have played at the music awards
    		because Metal would still be underground. Who nose with
    	 	 those bands gaining ground we may have more radio stations
    		that play metal.
    
    		M
    	 	 B

    You guys need Z-Rock. Metallica, Slayer, testament, Wargasm, etc. all
    get airplay on that station. 

    re Kim
    
    
    I got a t-shirt that says "Gimme Z-Rock or gimme a wall to slam my head
    on".
    
    
    They got this commercial wif a six year old kid who says "Hi, I'm Tommy
    and I listen to Z-ROCK cuz my parents say not to." First time I heard
    that I hadta pull over to finish laughing.

    GOOD QUESTION!!!!!
    
    I like all sorts of Metal... from the crunchin' days of Maiden (with
    Di'An***) to Winger...  I have an intense dislike of the Wimpy limp
    wristed stuff like Poison... (hey it's my opinion)
    
    I think the sorta sounds I like best at the moment has to be THUNDER.
    
    This doesn't make a whole lot of sence as I read through it, but
    there you go!
    
    Bonzo

      And there are exceptions to every rule. There's a station in 
    Cleveland (Ohio of course) that is just Metal/Hard Rock. The closest they
    get to mainstream is maybe some old Aeromith, and I don't  mean
    Dream on. Everytime I'm driving through that area I tune into
    them. I don't EVER remember hearing Poison or Bon Jovi on that
    station.  Unfortunately the only diversion we get in Syracuse is the
    metal specials on the radio or our local music segment "Soundcheck"
    which includes quite a wide spectrum of music.

    						-boom-

        Well, FWIW,  Candygram and I were talking about starting up a
        METAL radio station  when  I win the mega-bucks !  Would that
        make everyone happy ? :^)
        
        Personally speaking, you'll never  find  a radio station that
        will completely play anything but what's pop.  (Unless it's a
        college  radio  station  that doesn't care  WHAT  `Billboard'
        ratings are.) The more they play what's  `tops in pops' (gag)
        the more money they get.  
        
        A friend of mine is schooling for broadcasting  right now and
        she said that half the requests people make are  ignored  and
        the  other half that they `dedicate' to listeners, are falsly
        stated.    (i.e.  - they make the names up and  dedicate  any
        song.)
        
        Okay, so maybe I got off on a tangent here, but as far as I'm
        concerned, the stuff that's  popular,  I  don't  like.   I'll
        personally take music that is  played VERY little on the air.
        I don't get sick of it  so quickly that way.  :^) I also will
        admit that SOME of the `pop' stuff  DOES  have  some  musical
        qualities to it.  (I'll use `The Doobies' for  example) Other
        than  the  fact  that  it is `pop' music, there is definitely
        musical talent  in  that  group.  (Not true with all groups I
        might add)
        
        It's what you personally, listen for and enjoy.  
        
        METALord"�
        
        METALord"�

The bands that annoy me are those that are overproduced, "wannabees", or
have obviously been got at by some "name" producer/record company (who has
managed to convince them that a rock record should be put together in a
certain way). I also get annoyed by thosewho slavishly follow a trend and
cannot write much that's original (particularly lyrically).

In the overproduced category, I'd put Magnum, Rush, BOC Lita Ford, plus a 
number of others who should never be considered (IMO) as part of rock. For
example a week or so ago, one of the few rock programs that we have on
radio here in the UK played the Rolling Stones current single! Huh!!

I also hear a lot of "wannabees". These are the bands who (by fault of
themselves, their record compnay, or their management) simply jump on
the back of another band. I'm NOT criticising those who make a similar form
of music. Simply those that are obviously exploiting an image. I can't remember
their name now, but I remember seeing a band on TV recently who would have been
OK if they'd stopped trying to look like Guns 'n' Roses and sound like AC/DC!

The record company/producer area is one that I feel really does stifle
creativity and talent in the industry. I mean, you listen to the production
of most so called rock records. They're all the same! Guitar in one speaker
with (or preceded by) beefy drums in middle, singer goes "Oh Yeah" "OOOH" (or
something equally meaningful) and (surprise surprise) 2nd guitar pops up in
other speaker. I also feel that many tracks lack the change of time signatures,
keys, riffs, and so on that the pioneers tried to experiment with. As an example
try listening to Black Sabbath's early albums. I still hope that this lack of
adventure is due to record companies and producers supressing the talent
in a band. (If it's not due to that we're in DEEP trouble!)

Lastly, I find many songs follow an expected formula (particularly in 
the lyrics). Just because it is Heavy metal it doesn't have to be about
Screwing, Satan, Killing, war, etc. For God's sakether are a million ond one
topics to sing about. But for some reason the same old ones keep coming up.
For some reason, I find HM the worst for this. The only reaosn I can
think of is that people spend more time learning their musical instruments
and writing music. They don't have any training or are allocated time to write
decent lyrics.

I should add that all this is my opinion only. I have no intention of upsetting
any of you. But now I've got it off my chest I feel a lot better.

Keef.

     I guess y'all don't get metal shop up there on Sat. nights huh? You
    know a lot of the things I have been reading in here look like one
    persons trash may be another persons treasure. Maybe that's why there
    are so many different forms of rock. A little something for everybody
    depending on their taste. I guess that as beauty is in the eyes of the
    beholder, music must be in the ears of the listener.
    							The KER
    

    I agree with .22 "music must be in the ears of the listener",However,
    what worries me(here in England)is that now "Reading Rock"has been
    completely sanitised-variety yes,as it always was a festival of
    music,but not to the nth degree and exclusion of Metal.What are
    the alternatives?"Monsters of Rock"-with this years line up?who
    are they trying to kid? all I can say is thank heavens for decent
    home sound systems and roll on "Clash of the Titans"and the "Maiden"
    tour.
    
    Do whatever you do and do it to the EXTREME!!!!!!!
    Cheers,TED.

    It's tough for a true METAL station to continue to operate on a 
    long term basis. Example: Z-ROCK in DALLAS, a great station that 
    was the talk of the town for a couple of years. THEN.......the
    financial walls came tumblin down. I still see SAVE Z-ROCK bumper
    stickers and personally wish we could have saved it. BUT even though
    metal can make money it would seem that there just isn't enough in 
    Dallas to support a Metal station. Maybe it was just a sign of the 
    local economy. 
    
    SLAM

    
    
    I don't consider Bon Jovi glam.  I consider glam more along the
    hairspray liptick image.  I guess if bullshit makes you rich I wanna
    be in that business. - Kim 

 	
    	Allow me to cross post the very first note in HM that was
    	written by Greg Davis way back when in '88...
    
    	I don't see what the big stink is regarding what IS and ISN'T
    	going to be considered "Metal" music.  Half the topics on 
    	NON-metal bands (poison, etc. etc.) don't see all that much
    	action anyway and if you don't like it then don't read what's
    	in the particular topic.
    
    	Geez - I've got no interested in "guitars" so I just by pass
    	it and read what I find interesting.
    
    	Different strokes for different folks.  
    
    	tigga~~~~
    
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    	   Welcome to the NEW Heavy Metal Conference.  Unfortunately,
    	the contents of the old conference were destroyed before they
    	could be copied to HSSWS1, but at least it died in infancy,
    	so there's not much to replace.
    
    >>>>Heavy Metal is about Rock music.  If you don't like hard
        driving guitar licks and pounding drum beats, then Heavy
    	Metal is not for you.  We're serious about our music here,
    	and we won't tolerate the presence of wimps.  Don't try to
    	convert us to gospel or easy listening... we haven't got
    	time for that noise here.  
    
    

    Please, let's NOT get into the "what is and what isn't metal and why it
    should or shouldn't be allowed in this notesfile" again.  This is
    neither fun nor interesting.  There are already established notes for
    discussing what bands are and aren't metal (83) or what the elements of 
    heavy metal music are (25,59), this note is not the appropriate place.
    
    As a moderator of this notesfile, my personal opinion is that any
    musical topic can be considered reasonably appropriate to this file,
    provided that the members of this file want to discuss that.  The other
    moderators have also expressed similar opinions. That's why we have
    notes about groups like Pink Floyd and other not metal (or not very
    metal) bands. 
    
    Where are we supposed to draw the line?  Everyone's defination of what
    "metal" is is different.  To many people, Poisen is a metal band, even
    though several of you have stated that you don't think so.  I say, if
    there's interest in an artist or group here, then let's talk about it. 
    If not, then shut up and don't whine because someone else wants to.
    
    Talk away, but try and keep it focused on music, in the appropriate
    note, and be nice to each other.
    
    Ciao,
    Greg (HM notes co-moderator)

    
    Hi Guys!!!!!!
    
    Wow a discussion on What is Metal..mmm sounds like an english teacher i
    once had.....
    
    Well..in my opinion, i think you could consider bon jovi in the light
    metal category 'cause some of there stuff can't really be considered
    straight forward r&r
    
    What do 'ya think of that bucky..my pal   ~/~
    
                                  Tracy....

    
    
    OR..
    
    "SHOT DOWN, IN A BLAZE OF GLORY...." 
    
     COULDN'T RESIST
    
                                  Tracy
    

    Sounds like you New Englanders need Z-ROCK.  So tell me, when a real
    hard-core metal band comes to town (i.e., Metallica), what station
    plays their stuff to support/promote the concert?
    
    We have Z-Rock here so that's not a problem.  We do have that problem
    with the Christian Rock stations though.  When metal bands come here
    (i.e., REZ, Stryper, etc.) you won't hear their best stuff to promote
    the concert.
    
    Mike

    
    	RE: Mike
    
    	Hah!!  Metallica on WAAF or WHJY?  I wish.
    
    	The best we can hope for is a "6-pack" of their best songs
    	AFTER the concert is over, to listen to while waiting to get
    	out of the parking garage/lot or whatever.
    
    	I love the Z-ROCK 50 they play on WHJY [94.1, Providence] on
    	Sunday nights, but I haven't heard it very often.  I keep for-
    	getting it's on there.
    
    							GTI
    

    I think it getting worse anymore these days...
    Is it me or does everything remind you of something or are todays
    artists just bland?
    
               Friz
    

    It's all JonBomb's(tm) fault. He brung them LGTBs(tm) in and now they
    buy records by people who dress all glitzy, have big hair, and sing
    about the mall, bubble-gum, and ice cream. 
    
     Da devil-dog who asks "Where have all the good times gone"? 
    
    
    P.S. I heard that JomBomb(tm) wanted to remake "Teen Angel" and "At the
    Hop".

    
    	Basically, the problem seems to be that bands are running out of
    	fresh/new ideas.  After 40 or 50+ years of heavy song production,
    	we're finally getting to the point where everything has been said
    	in a variety of ways ... and the only real way to come up with a
    	"new" song is to take pieces of old songs, be it rhythm guitar,
    	bass line, sections of verses, and piece them all together in such
    	a way that it sounds somewhat "similar" without being an exact
    	replica.
    
    	Not all new music is like that, but a good portion of it is, and
    	I don't think there's anything anyone can do about it.  At least
    	when Weird Al takes pieces of other songs and re-uses them, he's
    	doing it because we expect him to do it.  But when the "popular"
    	bands of today re-use too many old ideas in new songs, that's when
    	it gets boring.
    
    							GTI

>    Is it me or does everything remind you of something or are todays
>    artists just bland?
    
    It's not just you, man.  I've been feeling this for awhile.  That's one
    of the reasons I've been listening to so much weird stuff lately, I got
    too tired of hearing stuff that all sounded the same.
    
    gh

    There`s plenty of weird and good stuff out there,but you won`t find
    it on the radio,MTV or wot not. 
    
    I remeber when Kill `Em All wuz an obscurity and considered crap. Eeeh,
    those were the days...
    

    > I remeber when Kill `Em All wuz an obscurity and considered crap. Eeeh,
    those were the days... 
    
         It still is ......HO!HO!      8)
    
       I get tired of it too but I'm sticking to my guns because I hate
    that weirdo stuff.  
         FWIW-People were doing the Jon Bon Jovi thing way before he was so
    ya can't blame him.
    
            Friz
       

    I reckon the first 3 Bon Jovi albums are pretty good.
    
    ....And Kill `Em All is crap. If i hear "Seek and Dirgestroy" again
    i think i`ll scream. 
    
    h!oh!o! (That one`s a bit different).
    

    This Just in.......Remember..it's only a rumor.
    
    JonBomb is going to record a cover of"The Candy_Man".
    Dedicated to Sammy Jr.
    
                              Crazy_sawwy_JJ_Seth_Al
    

>                              Crazy_sawwy_JJ_Seth_Al

	     Why me?!?!  I hate Sammy AND I hate Jon Bon Jovi...

		Why would I care?


						-Confusedypooh!

    
    
    actually, i've found a couple of refreshing albums of late.  i was
    really getting bored but then along came fates warning: parallels and
    dream theatre: images and words (not versus like i said previously). 
    two great new albums!
    

    Sorry Seth..
    I was thinkin of someone_else...
    Like..ahhhh.could it be.....UUMmmmmm?---..Friz?????   maybe
    You both may swing at me when me meet..
    
      Crazy_Confucius_Al

	It is okay....  I understand Al...


	I may like TNT and Danger Danger and Boston....
	(Even some whitesnake, winger, and white lion)

	But not JBJ!


								-Seth

    What's the difference you big POOF?
    
                 Friz
    

	

	I hate him Friz...  I hate HIM and most of his music..

	Where as the people in White Lion don't bother me, PLUS
	they have some pretty good tunes...


							-Poofypooh! 8)

    PoofySeth:  You still didn't answer my question...What's the
    difference?  (Except for the fact that on Jovi has probably outsold 
    all of them put together when it comes to album sales.)
    
                Frizkid
    

	I am not conforming!!  I HATE him!  He is annoying, stuck on
	himself.  His lyrics suck.  The music SOUND is different	
	then the other groups.  I don't care for his voice as much
	as others...


	I have MANY reasons!

							-Seth

    Hey...You MUST answer to me because YOU are forever indebted to me!!
    
     You are a sniveling,conformist,whiny,MegaDeth lover and you must die.
    8)
           His lyrics DO NOT suck and if you think so...Send me some better 
    lyrics.  
        Why do you think he's stuck on himself?  I've never seen this...
    Maybe you think this because he's so popular or maybe you just have
    your head stuck up your @ss as usaul?
    
                      Friz
    

	Friz... Why do you care if I hate JBJ?

	Are you his lover or something?


							-Seth

    
> Why do you think he's stuck on himself? 
    
    	Well, Buck met him and from what he reported here, the shoe fits!

    JBJ's hair could do no wrong, and he knew it...
    

    Oh...So one meeting with the guy and he totally stuck on himself
    forever?  Don't ya think big stars have bad days like some of us?
    DURF?
    
             Seth...I was just razzin' ya.  I could careless if you like
    JBJ.  You're not worthy anyways! 8)
    
                  Friz
    

> Why do you think he's stuck on himself? 

    Umm...'cause he wasn't careful with the crazy glue?

    ...like the subject of this note says..."where is this headed"......
    ...sounding pretty homophobic to me................../k

>               -< People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones >-
	My point exactly Friz!!!


	I don't like him, or the music (because of HIm or whatever)
	It is my right not to like groups that I don't..


    I *DO* have one more question though.....  /k how is it homophobic?


							-Seth

	I just don't see how my not liking JBJ is homophobic..


						-Seth

    Here we go again....
    
                      Friz
    
    

    I lOVE JBJ!!!!

    I love him too............
    
    ......if he was under a bus!!!
    
    
    
                           hahahahahahaha!
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    WELL YOU PEOPLE HAVE OBVIOUSLY NOT HEARD "KZRK" BETTER KNOWN AS Z-ROCK
    100% PURE METAL.NO JON BON HERE JUST BUTT SLAMMIN GOOD TIME METAL
    MALICIA.WE ROCK HIGH IN THE ROCKIES.

    IT'S STILL AROUND Z-ROCK THAT IS,LOUD AND LUDE AS EVER,TOO BAD IT
    CRASHED IN DALLAS THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE I HEARD IT,THEN I MOVED BACK
    TO COLORADO AND WAS DEPRESED TILL I LEARNED IT WAS HERE,MADD MAX IS
    STILL AT THE CONTROLS OF THE RUDEST STATION TO EVER HIT THE AIR.THANK
    GOD FOR ROCK AND ROLL,WE COULD ALL BE DOING THE TWO STEP.WHAT AN UGLY
    THOUGHT!!

    
    help, we're surrounded!!  more comets!!!
    
    

>>    100% PURE METAL.NO JON BON HERE JUST BUTT SLAMMIN GOOD TIME METAL


I'll pass...												

    AH!!!!!!!! We're being invaded!!! I'm glad I'm moving if this sort of
    mentality is coming in here.
    
     Open your minds...It's ALL music...Even if YOU don't like it!
    
     Friz
    

>     Open your minds...It's ALL music...Even if YOU don't like it!

I agree 100%.  Sometimes it's difficult for people to realize that
because THEY don't like it or THEY don't agree with it, that it's not
wrong.  I know I struggle with this too.  Human nature I guess.

-a

    I listen to Zrock on occasion, but not that often and I'll tell you
    why.  First off, it's AM only and I don't like listening to stuff in
    mono.  It whacks out the mix on a lot of stuff and it doesn't sound
    right.  Second, they have WAY too many commercials and DJ babble.  I
    don't like having to wait a long time to hear a cool song.  It seems
    like there's almost as much of that as there is music.  Maybe some
    people enjoy the DJ babble thing, and that's cool if you do, but it's
    not my thing.  I'd rather hear more music.
    
    I much prefer 89.5, the station from the University of Southern Co. in
    Pueblo.
    
    Greg

    Andy: I wrestle with this too...It's hard to be objective when your
    style of music is bashed all the time.  Sometimes I fight for a band
    that I don't even like because I don't think people give them a fair
    listen.  People that don't like a band because of how they look really
    make my skin crawl.
    
       Either way...Pretty or ugly.
    I know I'm guilty of this and I'm not really condemning anybody but I'm
    just asking for more openmindness.
    
     Friz
      
    
     

    ...well that's what you get for trying to catch a 5 minute (no such
    thing) nap......;')..we went and the band was great..you missed an
    excellent show........................................./k