Conference napalm::heavy_metal

	Speaking of Judas Priest, could anyone tell me what album
	the song "You Got Another Thing Comin'" is on.  I actually
	saw them when they toured the album (and they ARE the priests
	of heavy metal!!) but for the life of me, I can't remember
	the name of the album.

	Thanks

	/jr

    
        The song is on 'Screaming for Vengeance' (1982 or 1983).
    
        If you're looking for it, you should be able to find it
        almost anywhere.
    
        Other good ones from the same:
    
        Riding on the Wind
        The Hellion/Electric Eye
        Take these Chains Off
        Fever
    
        This is subjective, of course ... just offering an opinion.
    
                                                        Shawn L.
    

    
        Rocka Rolla                  Stained Class
        Sad Wings of Destiny         British Steel
        Hellbent for Leather         Sin After Sin
        Screaming for Vengeance      Defenders of the Faith
        Turbo                        Priest ... Live
        Greatest Hits                Point of Entry
        Unleashed in the East
    
      That's the complete list (I believe) of albums recorded by
      the band.  I also have 2 tapes (K-TEL type greatest-hits
      compilations, one includes some live recordings as well as
      studio tracks).
    
      Face it ... they're the all-time greatest Heavy_Metal band!!
    
      (Sorry Pete ... Iron Maiden's #2). 8^)
                                                      Shawn L.
    

    
          I don't know of any greatest hits priest album. Is the title
    greatest hits? Is it on Columbia?
    
                                      Rich

    Scope out a tune called BloodStone on the Screamin' For Vengeance
    album.  It's kickass(for lack of a better "legal" word).
    
    Pure rawnch. I love it.
    
    Jammin' JC

    
        RE: Greatest Hits
    
            Yes, I believe it was Columbia.  It's either the 3rd or
            4th album or so, with all the early 'greatest hits' on
            it.
    
        Another one I just remembered is 'Hero Hero', but I don't
        remember whether it's old greatest hits or recent greatest
        hits - but it's one of those.
    
                                                   Shawn L.
    

    I remember when I was up north, most of the bands I played in didn't
    wanna do any Priest cuz it was too easy (2EZ?).  I love to play
    Priest, 'cept my neck hurts the next day from thrashin' my head
    so much !
    
    Is that attitude still prevailent up north ?  Are there other
    guitarists (besides me and Jerry) who love to play Priest ?

    Jammin' JC

    
        Some Judas Priest is easy to play ... so I do:
    
        Breakin' the Law
        Hot Rockin'
        Headin' Out to the Highway
        Livin' After Midnight
        Jawbreaker
    
        I don't play chords, but I can hammer out the riffs fairly
        well.
    
                                                      Shawn L.
    

    re: Hero Hero
    
    I have that one.  It's not a greatest hits per say, but it is some
    sort of compliation.  Has most of Sad Wing of Destiny & Rocka Rolla
    and a few tunes from another one I can't place right now.
    
    gh

    
        First I heard the high-pitched scream - which I quickly
        recognized.  Then the unmistakable sound of the guitars
        winding up.  The bass and drums followed.
    
        The new Judas Priest song ... 'Ram It On', I believe it's
        called.  Or 'Ram It In', but I think I would have remembered
        if it was that. 8^)
    
        K.K. has been practicing ... he can actually PLAY that thing
        he's been trying so hard to play for the last 10 years or so.
        Not a Glenn Tipton yet, but give him time.
    
        Rob Halford is still sounding fantastic, and his ability to
        hit the high notes hasn't left him.
    
        This song is the title track, so look for 'Ram It On' in your
        favorite record store.
    
                                                          Shawn L.
    

    	You guy's wanna here a wicked good song? Listen to " Raw Deal"
    off of the Sin After Sin album. Aslo on that album, there's a 
    good K.K. solo on that song, ahhhhhhhh, SINNER! Check it out,
    sure to send chills up ya spine !!
    
    
    						-stain-

    
    	Crush, KILL  DESRTOOOYYYY!!!
    
    	Whew, I don't know what cam over me.  I had a sudden
    	urge to delete something, but now I can't remember why.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=--------(moderator without a cause)
    	

	Wow, JP, one of my all-time favorites!!  I have been disapointed in 
their lastest albums, IMO Screaming was the last good Priest album.  Turbo was 
a major disapointment.  Some favs are -

Cheater - Rock-rola
???     - Sad Wings of Destiny,  I can't remember the name put there is 
          a part where the guitars just go back in forth, great stero tune.
          I'll look it up on the ride home.
Diamnds and Rust - Sad Wings ??
Hell Bent for Leather - Hell bent for leather 

Favorite Album - Sad Wings or Unleashed in the East can't decide

	Has JP always consisted of the same members??  

MC (glad he found the conference)

    
        I agree about the last 2 albums (to an extent), but 'Defenders
        of the Faith' is my favorite by these guys (Love Bites makes
        me WILD!!).  After that, I don't know what happened ... they
        added the synth-guitars (which sound OK, but take a little
        kick out of the guitars - in a way, they add to them).
    
        One of my favorite JP songs is "Hot Rockin'", followed by
        "Green Manalishi" (live version kicks some SERTIOUS butt!!).
    
        Personnel ... I believe they've gone through 3 drummers since
        the beginning of the band, and maybe 1 other bassist, but as
        far as I know, the rest is the same.  I don't have the records
        (Rocka Rolla, Sad WIngs of Destiny, Sin After Sin) to check
        it out, but if no one beats me to it I'll take a trek over to
        a friend's house and look.
    
                                                         Shawn GTI

    
    I haven't seen anyone mention this song yet so I will.
    
    Buning Up off the album Hell Bent For Leather. 
    This tune kicks.
    
    				M
    				 B

>        I agree about the last 2 albums (to an extent), but 'Defenders
>        of the Faith' is my favorite by these guys (Love Bites makes
>        me WILD!!).  

	Sorry, I forgot aboutr Defenders.  It's not one of my fav's but I'll
listen too it.  I can't listen to Turbo, and I've heard a few cuts off the new
one and just didn't like them.   

	Manalishi is great!!!!

Mc

    Has anyone seen the Van halen topic?
    Just kidding, the devil dog has always been one to push stuff a
    wee bit too far .
    
    anyways...
    
    My favorite Priest Tunes are:
    
    Livin After Midnight
    Breaking The Law
    Riding On The Wind
    Some Heads Are Gonna Roll
    Parental Guidence
    Johnny Be Good (I'm kidding)
    Hot Rockin
    
    the devil dog sez "Them's just ofda topa my head"

    So how many of you priest fans got tickets for their up-coming show
    at the CENTRUM today? PRIEST RULES!!!                          
               P.S. I got my MAIDEN tickets last week.             
            see you metal maniacs at the show.                     
                                                                   
                        JAY
    

    Hello there.
    It seems that you guys are a little behind on whats happening with
    Priest! 
    They have just released a new album titled "Ram it down" (not "Ram
    it in or up " as some-one suggested )
    I must say that it blows any other "metal" album away. Halfords
    voice is better than ever, Tipton and K.K. Downing's dueling guitars
    sound fiercer (with some use of synth guitars),and the songs are
    even more powerfull.
    It was rumoured that Snot, Aching and Waterwing were to produce
    the album, but this thankfully didnt happen.
    I have also just seen them live and it was great!!!!!!!
    
    Any way I must be off, so,
     
    T.T.F.N. 
    					Allen
    (From the other side of the big pond)
                     					                 
     
    

    I haven't heard "Ram It Down" yet but "Turbo" kinda let me down.
    set priest/no synth.  REAL Priest is British Steel, Screaming For
    Vengeance, etc, not Screaming for MIDI.  Just one guys opinion and
    ya'll (southern term for youz guyz) know I got one for EVERY occasion.
    
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    Judas Priest ?  Really ?
    
    I'll buy it.  I love Priest.
    
    What can I say...

    
    re: Priest's new album.
    
    If you can't say anything good, then don't say anything!

    So here are my comments:




























       'nuff said?

       cat

    Well, GAWD !  Should I waste my money or what ?
    
    Come on guize !  My hand is throbbing to see what else I can thrash
    in the key of E !

    jc

        Well, I like:
    
        I'm a Rocker
        Heavy Metal
        Ram It Down
        Johnny B. Goode (hmmm ... I don't know - Chuck Berry did it
                         better, but JP does OK ... still trying to
                         decide on this one)
    
        Overall, I'd say that 'Defenders ...' TOWERS over this album.
        Even 'Turbo' kicks *ss compared to it.
                                                          Shawn GTI

    Thanks Shawn, I knew somebody would say something...
    
    I'm a die-hard Priest fan... I even like Turbo, so I'll probably
    buy it and add my $.02 !
    

    
        RE: Pete
    
                  Johnny B. Goode done faster?  Like 'Jailhouse Rock'
                  by M�tley Cr�e?
    
                  Sorry, I'd give that a 'thumbs down'.
    
                                                      Shawn GTI
    

    RE: -.2
    
    I hear ya Pete... Turbo didn't exactly throw me across the room,
    but I still like it...  In fact, nothing by Priest really throws
    me across the room with me thinkin' "Man, KK and Glen have got be
    awesome".
    
    I don't think either of them are *incredible* guitarists, but they
    are good together, and thats why I like Priest, cuz it's just gut
    wrenching....  They are the proverbial Metal Gawds !
    
    jc

    Priest is the best...
    
    I didn't like Turbo in the beginning but it grew on me and I think
    it's pretty good now.  As for RAM IT DOWN! I think its a great
    improvement over Turbo.  I was afraid Priest was heading down the
    Motley Crue or Cinderella route after Turbo.  Ram it down changed
    my mind.  I didn't get to see Priest at the Centrum but I did manage
    to get to see 'em in Providence.  They Kicked ASS!!!  I don't know
    if the Centrum allowed the Pyrotechnics but the flame throwers that
    they used burnt hair on my arms and I was in sec 211.  The volume
    that they put out wuz incredible.  As for my favorite abum....
    Point of Entry!!!
    
    				Bill
    

    
    	I read this whole note, and didn't see any mention of 
    `Deliverin the Goods' from  `Hell Bent for Leather'.  Now
    that song just grabbed me the first time I listened to it
    and although it may not `throw me  across  the  room', it 
    sure can get my blood boilin' ! :^)

    	The song that someone mentioned back a while ago from
    `Sad Wings of Destiny' with the duelin'  guitars, may  be
    `Dreamer Deceiver', although I can't be sure.  Definately
    a good stereo song to listen to.
    
    	Another kicker off of `Screamin  for Vengeance' would 
    have to be `Devils Child' !  Those that listen to it will
    know what I mean ! :^)
    
    	`British Steel' had another called `The Rage' that  I
    though was a good slow motion kick in the a$$ song.
    
    	`Point of Entry' - Definately has to be `Desert Plains'
    I like the mix and the drums just kinda' stick with you.
    
    Jeeze, I could probably go on and on, but I have to attempt
    some work today. :^)
    
    METALord"_a_Priest_fanatic

    Yeah, Sad Wings is a cool album.  Dreamer Deceiver is one of my
    fav songs. 
    
    I think my favorite JP album is British Steel, followed closely
    by most of the others.  I thought Turbo was not as appealing.
    
    gh

    	I'll have to agree that `Turbo' was less than I expected,
    although it was nice to have something new from JP.  `Ram It
    Down', I feel, is better than `Turbo' but it's still missing
    a little something that they had in SFV. 
    
    	Yo, JC !  Whatcha' think of `Stained Class' ?
    
    METALord"
    

    
        'Stained Class' is OK ... the studio version of 'Exciter'
        kicks *ss!!
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Stained Class is the 'nads...

    I love ALL Priest, even Turbo... I like the tune Turbo Lover, and
    Locked in (in fact I love the HELL out of Locked in...).
    
jc

    I also like turbo, but my favorite has to be British Steel with that
    tune "Don't have to be old to be wise" ;-). Love it. But I never heard
    Ram it down except the tune Johnny B good.

	Didier.

        Didier:
    
    		If you get 'Ram It Down', listen to:
    
    		Ram It Down
    		Heavy Metal
    		I'm a Rocker
    		Blood Red Skies
    		Johnny B. Goode (OK, but not the best)
    
    		You'll be impressed.
    
                                                       GTI

    	But ya' gotta' listen to `Heavy Metal' with volume at window
    shattering level.  Especially during the intro.  That song's the
    ballz, and talk about getting looks when ya' drive  through  the
    state office complex with the windows down and volume up........
    Just those facial expressions made my day ! :^) 
    
    METALord"_who_really_doesn't_give_a_****_what_people_think_anymore
             (Well, maybe I'll give my  date's  a  break :^)  They may
              change their minds ! :^))

    re: .43
    
    Gee, Shawn.  You'd think if he bought the album (tape/cd/whatever)
    that he'd listen to the WHOLE thing...
    
    ;^)
    
    gh

    
        Well, I'm just recommending the songs he should listen to
        FIRST.
    
        The rest of the album might as well not be there, IMO.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Hey what about the real old Priest???
    
    I was listening to Rocka Rolla and people (not into Priest) didn't
    believe me it was Priest.  They thought it was old Sabbath or something
    like that.  Side two has the simular sound to the metal that was
    played in that time period.  Side one did also.  My favorite being
    Rocka Rolla and Cheater.  
    

    
    Re. 48
      I heat ya there, I got turned on to JP about 78 or so. Just
    after Stained Class was released. And speaking of covers I love
    their version of Better by You, Better than Me. (Spooky Tooth).
    Rocka Rolla is good. Sin After Sin too. 
                                             mike
    

    I like ALL priest !
    
    I dislike the latest the most...
    
    jc

    Am I the only person who dislikes Priest ??

    I just saw them at the centrum on this tour.  WOW, they had more
    energy than a nuclear explosion, well ok, maybe not that much, but
    they were great!  Rob Halford is absolutely mezmarizing (I KNOW
    I spelled that one wrong!) on stage.  Only the bass player stays
    in his place, but he moves around a lot in that square yard of stage
    space!   The other guys were totally nuts running around the stage.
    
    Yea, they still have energy, IMO!
    
    Steve O

    
    yeah, I had a tape made up with some of their earlier stuff (Heads
    are gonna role etc..) and I was given a copy of Ram It Down, and
    I wasn't impressed with either.
    
    Sorry!!

    
    Jeezzzz, I only put in a comment that I disliked JP, I didn't say
    that I thought that they were crap, or talentless, or fags, I said 
    I disliked them. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
                                     
    What is it with you guyz today ??

        Tony:
    
               If U wanna hear a killer tape, let me know and I'll
               send you a set of the most rockin' JP songs they've
               recorded.  Send me your home address, and I'll get
               a tape and start recording.
    
               It'll most likely contain:
    
    	The Green Manalishi	Livin' After Midnight	Rock U ... World
    	Exciter			Ripper			Hot Rockin'
    	Headin' Out ... H'way	... Another Thing Comin'
    
                                                       GTI

    
    Well, I'm not closet minded, I'll mail my adress to you :-)
                                
    I'll give anything a try :-)

    
    
    	Tony, have you ever heard "United" by Priest?
    	It kinda reminds me of the "We are the Champions" by Queen
    	It's off the British Steel album
    	IMO, it's a pretty good song, if you like that kinda stuff
    
    	Hollywood.................always livin' after midnite!

    
    	Jeez Shawn, just don't put anything from `Stained Class' on
    that tape, or Tony  may become possessed.  Too late ?  Oh well,
    nice knowin' ya' Tony !
    
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    METALord"_wierder_than_ever_today.

    Ok what's this crap about Halford being gay...I don't believe it!
    He got to many songs that are about women.  I'll bet it's just a
    rumor.  (Then again who knows...)  
    
    The Sentinel

    I didn't think Halford wrote many of Priests Lyrics...
    
    I thought KK and Glenn did a lot of that junk ...
    
    Am I mis-guided ?
    
    Wait !  Don't answer that !

    jc

    
        Most of the Judas Priest stuff is penned by 
        Downing/Tipton/Halford.
    
                                                       GTI
    
        P.S.  Not necessarily in that order.
    

    I too can verify some gayboy sightings of Rob.  Summer '85, my friend
    and I had to follow their limo back to their hotel after their show
    (Defenders tour) in Las Vegas.  It was having some mechanical problems
    and my friend knew the owner, who asked us to follow in case it broke
    on the way (it didn't). 
    
    gh 

    
    	Personally speaking here.  His social / personal life doesn't
    interest  me, so  I  don't  care if he's gay or not.  His musical
    talent  interests me.  I'm a Priest freak from WAY back, and will
    continue to be. (Hell, I own all by two of their albums)  
    
    	Why  does  it  seem  that someone who's in the spotlight gets
    raked  over  the  coals  more than just an everyday human being ?  
    Does  his being gay have anything to do with the fact that he's a
    screamin', kick-a$$  singer ?  I  don't  think  so.  
    
    	I'm  not  saying `Value Differences' here, cause I don't like
    to  talk  shop in an `Employee Interests' notes conference, but I
    will  say  that  every person has their OWN interests/preferences
    or  whatever.  As  long  as  those people don't try to push their
    beliefs  on  me, then  I  don't care what they do.  As long as it 
    doesn't affect me.  
    
    METALord"_from_the_old_school_but_open_minded_none_the_less_!

    I wasn't trying to say that's changed my opinion on their music! It's
    still great!  Just like it was before I knew that Rob was not purely
    hetrosexual.  Hey, I don't have to deal with him personally, and I
    won't catch anything from his albums, so who cares? 
    
    I really enjoyed that show, and wouldn't hesitate to go see them again.
    I've acquired several of their albums since then too. 
                                                          
    I only mentioned it to dispute whoever said they didn't believe
    it.   It really doesn't matter.
    
    Sorry,  gh
              

    By liberal I mean unconventional, not liberal as is the following
    statement:  "It's a damn good thing the LIBERAL candidate did not
    win the presedential election."
    
    
    the devil dog who will say no more because nobody understands him.

Well, for those who really care about his sexual preferences (I don't
see why), Rob is bisexual, and also into S&M. I remember him openly
talking about it in an inteview I read once.

BTW, I never met Rob, but did meet K.K. and Glenn a couple times - they're
great guys, and pretty funny too!

cat

    Before anyone gets the idea that I hate gays  or I'm a homophobe,
    I want to say a few things.  It's true that I don't agree with the
    homosexual point of view.  The way I was brought up I find that
    the act of homosexual sex is immoral.  This is due to religious
    and my own ethical values.  I know that his sexual preference makes
    really no difference in his music.  Some  of my interpretations
    of some of their songs may change, but that doesn't mean I won't
    still love Priest's sound.  I still think Halford is cool.  I just
    disagree with his prefrences.  I don't like aspects of some of my
    friends but I still think of them as friends and don't treat them
    diffrently.  The reason I brought it up in the first place, is that
    I was just curious on the truth to the rumors I heard.  
    
    The Sentinel 
    
    (BTW  Please don't try and tell me how I shouldn't think homosexuality
    is Immoral.  I have a right to my own feelings, and it does have
    to do with certain religious beliefs.  It's just my opinion.)

    I agree with you completely, Sentinal.  I too was raised in a similar
    environment.  While I don't feel that I am prejudiced against people
    which are homosexual, I still don't condone it because of my own
    beliefs.
    
    In specific reference to Rob Halford.  It doesn't make me stop
    enjoying his music.  But it ain't for me, that's for sure.
    
    gh                                                        
    
    Oh yeah.  If anyone feels they must debate the homosexual issue
    with us, PLEASE do it offline via Mail or whatever.  Thanks!

    I've been too busy the past few days to read this conference, so
    I'm gonna ignore Greg's request ;^)...
    
    	I believe Adolph Hitler was a Fascist not a Communist -- this
    relates to a reply back a ways.
    
    	I have a friend who I've known a LONG time who recently "came
    out of the closet" and expressed the fact that he was gay.  As far
    as I know, I'm the only one (out of a good sized group of friends)
    who knows about it).  I'm not going to get into his interpretation
    of why he is the way he is, because it's irrelevant.  He became
    a born-again christian a few years ago and this has caused him a
    great deal of pain in dealing with his sexuality.  He feels so
    guilty, and lives in such a great deal of emotional pain, because
    of his religious beliefs, that he stifles his feelings and is caught
    in a living hell.
    
    I've told him that it doesn't matter if he's gay or not, that he'll
    always be my friend, that he can't live in this way or he'll go
    crazy.  How should I deal with this situation?
    
    As far as Rob Halford being gay...who gives a sh*t?  I feel sorry
    for people who are so bigoted and closed minded that they can't
    accept people for what they are.  Don't even mention the AIDS issue
    in this context or I'm liable to reach through the Net and grab
    you by the throat!!!
    
    joe.
    
    Mod's please feel free to relocate to "wherever" you deem appropriate.

    
    I think this is a fantastic attitude to have.  Growing up in Boston
    then working in retail for a couple years expsed me to alot of gay
    and bisexual men and women.  I never had any fears or hated them
    and never ever even considered it.  I have had some very excellent
    friends who were gay and what they do in the privacy of their bedroom
    is their preference.  I never went around telling them my intimate
    stories and never cared to hear their's.  Its doesn't make a person
    bad just different and I can repect them even if I don't understand
    it.
    
    Kat

    I don't recall anyone saying that they hated homosexuals.  Like
    I have said before,  I have no problems with a person being gay,
    I just don't aprove of the homosexual act.  No one needs anyones
    aproval if they don't want to.  Let 'em do what ever they want.
    
    
    PRIEST for ever!!!!!!!!!!
    
    The Sentinel

    re: .99
    
    I believe that your point (it's the music, not his sexual preferance)
    was what most of us actually SAID.  Anyway, as .100 already pointed
    out, if you check the dates on the previous replies they indicate
    that nobody has said anything here for about a month.
    
    There are many notes which have interesting little tidbits about the
    people in the bands, not just the music.  A lot of people are
    interested in this.  I think that's how the discussion on Halford
    began.
      
    <mild flaming flicker>
    
    If you don't want further discussion on a subject, DON'T BRING IT UP!
    That's the surest way of starting it all over again.  If you want to
    change the direction of a discussion, the best way to do it is to bring
    up something else interesting to talk about.  Complaining about the
    current direction is grossly INEFFECTIVE.
    
    gh 
      

    re -1
    
    I can read and i did read the notes i joined this conferance to
    talk about Judas priest and was only pointing out my opinion
    Am i allowed to have an opinion boys.
    
    Anyway back onto priest.
    When i was walking the Stafford the other day i bumped into
    Glen Tipton and we ad a little chat did you know that he
    lives in stafford and Bob halford lives in Eccleshall just
    outside stafford.                                         
    
                        < GIVE PEACE A CHANCE >
    
                                 ...jon
    

    THANKS FOR finally getting back to the subject at hand, Judas Priest.
    I've been a Priest fan since 1984, I was 12 back then, and I feel
    that their music has definitely helped me through life. The music
    since "Defenders" was a little off-beat, but it was really cool.
    I don't see why they  should take crap for being the only ones with
    enough b*lls to experiment with new ideas. 
       "Ram IT Down", which came out about a year ago, is probably my
    all time favorite albums. K.K. and Glenn's playing are technically
    amazing as well as musically.
                         
                                               JYM H.
              
    

    I listened to Priest for a while. I guess RAM IT DOWN takes time
    getting use to. Nomally their music clicks in. This didn't
    
    
    
    
    Bill
    

    I think "Ram It Down" took up where "Turbo" left off as far as the
    technical side of Priest goes.  I like both of them for what they
    are, but when I really wanna get blasted - I grab "British Steel"
    and wring the volume knob off !!!
    
    
    
    				Scary

                RE: `Ram It Down'
                
                It's STILL  Priest  no matter how you look at it.
                Good bad or  otherwise,  there's no mistaking the
                voice of Rob Halford.  
                
                Personally, I can't say  the album was as good as
                some of their older stuff, but they still had the
                METAL flair that Priest's always been known for.
                
                METALord"�_confirmed_Priest_fan_since_1978_!

    
        "Defenders ..." takes the cake ... incredible.
    
        The later stuff is good - love the synth guitars, but not
        as good as some of the early stuff.
    
                                                       GTI
    

                    I think you'll like `Screaming For Vengeance'
                better than `Defenders.    .    .' when you get a
                good listen to it.    `SFV'  KICKS  !   (Although
                you'll NEVER hear me degrade  a  Priest  album  !
                :^))
                
                METALord"�

    I saw JP on the SFV tour at the worcester Centrum. They kicked some
    "A". Irom Maiden was the kick off band. Big bad Eddie was pretty cool
    but that's another topic. Anyway, back to SFV. I remember this one day
    at my apartment, it was about 8:00 AM and I was trying to sleep. These
    little brats were running up and down the hall outside my door
    screaming there heads off. Needless to say the little rug rats woke me
    up. I got pissed off and threw in the SFV tape and cranked up THE
    HELLION. I put it SOOOO loud the windows were rattling and I couldn't
    hear anything else but JP. When the song was over, I turned off the
    stereo. And it was like magic.... no kids screaming. The way I looked
    at it, if the mamas and papas can't control their kids, I can't control
    my stereo.
    
    JR

    
        RE: MetaLord
    
            I have "Screaming ..." on record, and it's good ...
            but not as good as "Defenders ...".  I love "Take
            these Chains Off" and "The Hellion/Electric Eye",
            but it's no match for "Love Bites" and "Night Comes
            Down".
    
                                                       GTI
    

    RE: Shawn
    
    I have to disagree with you on this one.  While I think "Defenders..."
    is an excellent album, I think that "Screaming..." beats it out.  But I
    still prefer listening to the raw sound of "British Steel" better then
    either one.  Hey, it's not complex music, but it hits me hard.  I also
    liked "Point of Entry" which a lot of people seem to slam.
    
    Their early music is also really cool, but to me it's like listening to
    a different band.  Like "Rock-a-rolla", "Sin After Sin", or "Sad Wings
    of Destiny".
    
    Gh
                                                          

      I think Priest Live is up in the top of the list.
    
    
    Bill
    

    re: .115
    
    
    Agreed.  That and Sad Wings Of Destiny are my fave albums...
    
    jc - Who thinks he *is* the original Priest fan !

    
        RE: Point of Entry
    
            "Hot Rockin'" is one of my favorites by them.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    RE: jc
    
    Priest were the BALLLZZZZ long before they ever got outa the UK!
    
    I think the first time I saw them live would have been around '78/'79.
    
    Bonzo

    re way back.  I agree with gh that Steel beats screamin and defenders
    for raw energy, but I like screamin better cus It has "devil's child"
    and I am the devil DOG, amd I like to eat deviled ham and devil'd food
    cake when I listen to devil's child. 
    
    the devil dog who is gonna pick up the screw that just fell out of his
    head.

    Devil's Child is the cats gnads.  Love that tune.
    
    One of jc's fave's...

    Devil's Child ... is so damn wicked.
    
    
    jr

    re .118:
    
    Agreed, Bonzo. I first saw them in 1975 at our college's rag ball!
     I think that was their first tour (although don't quote me on that).
     They were certainly a little rough round the edges but the quality
     showed.
    
    Keef.

                `SFV' *is* the gnads, but I didn't say it was the
                best !  You can't really put that title to any of
                the  Priest albums, cause  like  GH  said,  their
                older  stuff  is  like  listening  to  a  totally
                different band.  (i.e.  -  `Sin After Sin' & `Sad
                Wings of Destiny')  
                
                Priest  has  grown  through  the  years and  have
                changed  styles  with the times, BUT they haven't
                lost  that  raw edge through any of their albums.
                The edge may have gotten a little dull during the
                past coupla' albums,  but  it's still there.  Now
                all we (as loyal  Priest  fans)  need  to  do, is
                write them and tell them to go back to the HARDER
                and SHARPER edge they had for  `SFV',  `Hell Bent
                For Leather' (Also a gnads album) and  `Point  of
                Entry'.  (Just to name a couple.   :^))  Maybe we
                can  turn  the  tides  and  make  METALhistory by
                getting Priest  to  go  back  in time to that raw
                era. :^)  
                
                METALord"�_standing_on_his_soapbox_today_! :^)

    Maybe...but I doubt it...Rob and the boys are getting old.  His
    voice isn't what it used to be...there tastes must be changing and
    I'm sure that they are all partially Deaf due to all their extream
    volume every night.  (They've been doing this stuff for over 18
    years, that's as old as some of the folks in this conferance.) 
    
    Now that they decided to change I don't think they will be going
    back to that extra sharp "British Steel" rasor edge.  Ram turned
    is a bit more keen then Turbo so that may indicate that they have
    found a ground that they are comfortable with.  
    
    As for best albums....Point (due to Desert Plains), Screaming,
    Defenders, Steel, and lets not forget Unleashed in the East....
    That kicks but on the newer live album....(it may be only a single
    album but The Green Manarishi [sp?] kicks some serious a$$!!!!)
    
    
    The Rebel  (who awoke from the dead....)
    

    Yo Reb.
    
    The Green Menaleshi... with the 2 pronged crown.
    
    "The Ripper" is good piece of work too.... 
    
    don't ever turn your back on Jack.
    
    JR

    
        That's "Green Manalishi".
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Re: GTI
    
    I knew that. I was just testing you. :^)

    
    
    Now when the day goes to sleep and the full moon lurks...
    And the night is so black that the darkness cooks...
    You come creeping around,making me do things I don't want to do...
    
    
    
    
                            DEEBS

    I've always wondered what the hell a "green manalishi" is.....
    
    anyone have a clue?
    
    The Joker

                Sounds like  a drink.  Garnish with a two-pronged
                crown ...
                
                

    I looked it up once (it's in the dictionary).  If I remember right,
    it's some form of demon or someting similar.
    
    gh

    RE: Joan Baez wrote "Green Manalishi"?  I thought it was a Peter
    Green (Fleetwood Mac) tune from one of the first albums?? (When
    they were heavy blues).
    
    	joe.

    I never heard of Joan writing "Green Man." (heard it was F.M.).
    
    But Joan Baez did write "Diamonds and Rust".
    
    A most excelent Priest tune!
    
                                   -= retch =-

    Joe's right, Green Manilishi was by the guy from Fleetwood Mac
    (amazing).
    
    gh

    Yep...and Joan Baez did "Diamonds and Rust"...
    
    The Joker

    A Manalishi is one of Satan's minions.  
    
    Anybody ever seen a Green Manalishi?
    
    

    Nope but I dated one ( if that's what it means.)
    
    The Joker

    Hey, guys, who doesn't like turbo much?  Just listen to "Priest..live",
    and tell me, ain't those songs nice when live ?
    
    For me, all JP songs are my favourites, I just can't chose one better
    than another.....same for the LPs.
    
    
    
     In London Town Streets
     When the darkness is far....
    When you least expect me
    And you turn your back I'll attack
    
       ......
    
    I laugh when I'm creeping
    But you won't see me at all
    
    Oh, hear my warning
    Never turn your back
    
    
         On the Ripper....
    
    I really love this part of the lyrics of that song...
    
          Fred "RM"

    playing
    priest is one thing,its getting that unique guitar sound.
    surely the greatest metal guitar sound ever.

                
                dont know if it ever struck me as that.  the most
                unique [and best imho] must absolutely go to ...
                
                
                
                Boston ...
                
                Tom Schultz rules!
                

                
                you said  it  ...    i really like boston, though
                they aren't one  of my favorite bands, but as far
                as picking out a  guitar  sound  where it becomes
                obvious who is playing, tom  seems  more  obvious
                than anyone else to me, though yngwie is close.
                
                - rob's *UNBIASED* opinion -
                
                

RE:    < Note 29.4 by TIGER::SLABOUNTY "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" >
                       -< Discography ... not in order >-

    
        Rocka Rolla                  Stained Class
        Sad Wings of Destiny         British Steel
        Hellbent for Leather         Sin After Sin
        Screaming for Vengeance      Defenders of the Faith
        Turbo                        Priest ... Live
        Greatest Hits                Point of Entry
        Unleashed in the East

	Well Priest Fans !  Here's a more up to date one... (In order!)
    
	Rocka Rolla			1974
    	Sad Wings Of Destiny		1976
    	Sin After Sin			1977
        Stained Class			1978
    	Killing Machine			1978 (British Release only,I think)
	Hell Bent For Leather		1979
    	Unleashed In The East		1979
    	British Steel			1980
    	Point Of Entry			1981
    	Screaming For Vengence		1982
    	Defenders Of The Faith		1983
    	Turbo				1986
    	Priest Live			1987
    	Ram It Down			1988

    There was also a Greatest Hits LP, but it wasn't mentioned in my
    Priest Book.  Also note that the book I have is British, so some
    of the release dates might seem a little wierd.

    Anybody ever seen/heard/owned Killing Machine ?
    
    jc

    There's also a double album compilation called "Hero, Hero" (import
    only in the US) which contains most of the material from Sad Wings...
    and Rocka Rolla.
    
    Greg

I have a tape called Judas Priest "Beyond Metal".  It is a current 
best of which has cuts from Turbo, Defenders, Point, and others.

The Itch

I have been listening to RAM IT DOWN more and more now that my headphones are
fixed....I can't believe how much it is growing on me....It really kicks A$$!!

I guess it just takes a while to get used to a new sound from The Priest!!!


The Itch

    I'll have to say that Stained Class kicks *ss, esp 
    the tune Stained Class King on side 1.  The beginning 
    sounds like an approaching death siren with Glenn wailing on'his
    strat.  After their Turbo tour summer of 87, I met KK and Glenn
    at a public appearance at Narcissus in Kenmore Sq.
    Autographs only.  Oh well, better than nothing.
    
    Queensryche matches some of Rob's screams in Queen of the Ryche.
    It's on a demo album, maybe their first (QR's).  Worth checking
    metal messiahs.
    
    pc
    
    

    
    
    Stain Class is definetly a great album!! That and British Steel
    Are my favorite JP albums

    Any news about a new album for Priest?
    
    I've heard a rumor of late that Dave Holland has left the band. Does
    anybody have any information on that?
    
    
    Jeff

    
    	Cool PN....
    
    BK
    

    From Metal Hammer (Oct 30th.) -- reproduced with out permission:
    
       Glen Tipton said:
    
       "Dave Holland has left the band and we have narrowed the choice down to
       three but we haven't made the final decision."
    
    also:
    
       "So we start 1990 with a new drummer followed by a new album."
    
    The report then goes on to quote how great Glen and the others think
    the new stuff is, saying how much heavier it is than previous albums.
    
    And by the way it also says that Dave Holland left by mutual agreement
    because of the pressure and strain on his personal life created by JP's
    heavy work schedule.
    
    Just thought you'd like to know.
    
    Keef

    This note has been down for a while, so I'll try to start it back up.
    What's the best album ever by Priest?
    
    JeFf

    "British Steel", followed by "Defenders Of The Faith".

                   
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    	Actually, "Screaming for Vengeance" has overtaken "Defenders
    	of the Faith" as my favorite by them.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
         Ditto on GTI's Reply.
    
           SabFan
    
    

    I like most everything Priest ever did, but my fave is Screamin'
    For Venegence, then British Steel...Then 'Defenders.  
    
    How about Priests worst album ??
    
    My vote goes for a toss up between:
    
    RockaRolla
    Turbo
    Ram It Down
    
    I'll pick RockaRolla as the yuckiest.
    
    jc

    
    	Oh, I don't know ... I'll have to dig out "Rocka Rolla" and
    	listen to it again, because it's been a LONG time since I've
    	heard it.
    
    	I like "Turbo" and "Ram It In/Down".  Those synth guitars are
    	wild.
    
    							GTI
    

    Scream'in for Vengence
    

                `Screamin' for Vengeance' and `British Steel' run
                a  close  first in  my  book  !    (Besides,  the
                METALgods  would  zap  me  if  I  didn't  mention
                `British Steel' ! :^))
                
                METALord"�_not_long_till_METALgod_status_himself_!
                
                :^)

    I started this so I guess I'll put my vote for the best.
    I myself like "Ram It Down". With songs like "Blood Red Skies" and 
    "Johny B. Goode" This ranks up there.
    
    Just thought I'd give my opinion, 
    
    Jeff

    re: Coop
    
    RockaRolla for WORST??!
    
    Are you mad?  There's cool stuff on that one.
    
    gh

    
    .  Point of Entry !!!!

    Why does everyone (almost) have such a hatred for "Turbo" and "Ram
    It Down" ?  I know the synth parts are a long way from "British
    Steel", but at least it's still heavy as only Priest could deliver
    it.  I really can't think of a *bad* Priest album ....
    
    
    
    				Scary ...

    
    I like em all. Anybody like Unleashed In The East? I remember when
    British Steel came out. There was no such thing as Heavy Metal or
    Thrash back then as far as a label for this type of music. Priest
    was considered Hard Rock. They were realitivly unknown. There was no
    MTV and Heavy Metal wasn't the commercialized crap that it is today.
    Priest was practically an underground band. Judas Priest and Iron
    Maiden were the start of an avalance of real hard core Heavy Metal
    bands that haven't stopped flooding the market since the early 80's.
    
    There was also another British band that started a new type of "Hard
    rock". Even though they were never really accepted in the states,
    Motorhead was extremely popular in England by combining Heavy Metal
    with Punk. At first it was called "Speed Metal" now it's known as
    "Thrash". One of Metallica's main influences was Motorhead. It's
    apparent in the way they play.
    
    Anyway, these bands paid their dues in the 80's and paved way for the
    all these new bands that are out today. Most of the new bands use MTV
    or the radio to get famous. Back when Britsh Steel came out it was alot
    different than it is now. I liked how Heavy Metal was hard to come by
    back then. Those were good times.
    
    Rocka Rolla is a milestone in the story of Metal. It is the first album
    from Judas Priest. The Grandfathers of Heavy Metal. 
    
    
    
                             DEEBS

    
    
    	My fav priest is "Turbo" I know I'm in the minority but what
    	 can I say..My least fav is Stained Class.
    
    	M
    	 B

                I'd have  to agree with.  .  .Scary(?) (or back a
                couple replies.) I  can't  think  of ONE JP album
                that I don't like.    They all have descent tunes
                on them, and being a dedicated Priest fan, cannot
                think of an album that I  don't  like.  Even `Sin
                After Sin' (which was said in an  interview  with
                Rob  Halford  that  I  saw back when `Turbo'  was
                released)  wasn't one of their greatest works, it
                still had the style and power of Priest.  
                
                No matter  what,  they're  all  good,  although I
                *STILL* haven't bought  `Unleashed In The East' !
                :^(
                
                METALord"�

    
    	You can't really count "Unleashed ..." when picking their
    	"best" album, because it's a live one.  Of course a "Great-
    	est Hits" album is gonna crank.  "Priest ... Live" is the
    	same story.
    
    	I dug out "Rocka Rolla" last night and listened to it.  I
    	wasn't incredibly impressed.  I'll have to listen to "Sin
    	After Sin" and "Stained Class" again also, but my favorite
    	is still "Screaming for Vengeance".
    
    							GTI
    

    I never said I *hated*  it boize !  I mean I am their BIGGEST fan,
    so I couldn't *hate* anything they've done...  It's just my least
    favorite.  Point Of Entry rocks too...
    
    jc
    

    I tend to agree with those who like STEEL, SCREAM"IN, and POINT. I
    suppose these were my first Priest albums so's I'm a little partial
    to them. 
    
    the devil dog who wants to go "Hot Rock'in"

    RE: .174
    
    Those are my three favorites too, but definately not my first ones.  I
    had Sad Wings, RockaRolla, and Sin after Sin before those.
    
    gh

    Did anybody ever see JP's album - Beyond Metal?  It came out in
    87.   It's sort of a greatest hits album - but not quite.  
    
    includes:
    
    Another Thing Comin
    Hot Rockin
    Beyond the Realms of Death
    Eat Me Alive
    Diamonds and Rust
    Headin Out to the Highway
    Hell Bent for Leather
    The Rage
    Ridin on the Wind                     
    
    
    There might be more; can't remember any others. 
    
    
    Steve
    

    
    	Yeah, I have that ... I also have a 6-song "Greatest Hits
    	and Live" combo.
    
    							GTI
    

    I have Stained Class...
    Screaming for Vengeance...
    and Turbo
    
    but my vote for best JP album def goes to Screaming!!!
    
    /ElectricEyeBreath

I have JP-Beyond Metal.  It rocks!

My favorites.

Point
Defenders/screaming 
Hell Bent for Leather
Ram it down

Live
Best of


The Sentinal

    I agree with .167 wholeheartedly......
    
     Point of entry.....best album....
    
    favorite cut/track "Ridin' on the Wind"

    
    
    stained class
    hell bent for leather
    british steel
    point of entry
    screaming for vengence
    defenders of the faith
    sin after sin
    sad wings of destiny
    turbo
    ram it down
    rocka rolla                     
    

    Well it looks like the favorite albums has stopped, how about favorite
    songs by Priest?
    
    I have to go with Blood Red Skies off of Ram it Down. I know alot of
    you won't agree with that but I like the newer Priest.
    
    Jeff
    

    
    	"Ridin' on the Wind"
    
    	Like the start of it and all the way through.  Great song..
    
    Re:182
    
    	I just got into Priest when Turbo came out and I thought the 
    	album was great,  so i started to buy their albums from Turbo
    	on down.  Their older stuff is real good,  and all different
    	in a way.  I feel that they peaked in '82 when Scremin' came 
    	out.
    	Blood Red Skies is a killer song but not their best.
    
    				,
    				 crazytrain
     
    			

    A couple of my faves:
    
    Turnin' Circles                     POE(?)
    Metal Gods                          SFV
    Fever (You set my soul on fire)	SFV
    Devil Child				SFV
    
    jc (Who doesn't really know the names, just loves all their stuff)
    

    
    	"The Hellion/Electric Eye"
    	"Hot Rockin'"
    	"The Green Manalishi"
    
    	RE: Coop
    
    	"Metal Gods" is on British Steel.
    
    							GTI
    

    Apparently Priest have signed ex-RACER-X drummer
    Scott Travis....
    
    Bonzo

    
    Bonzo, have you been reading my magazines?!?!?
    
    Flip

    Naw.... I heard that about a week ago... when I went in to buy my
    Les Paul....
    
    {8^)
    
    Bonzo
    

    Living after midnight
    Hot Rockin
    Riding on the wind
    You got another thing coming
    Parental guidance
    Hellion/Electric eye

    
    Steeler

    
    Genociiiiiiiiiide
    
    Jeff

    
    Tyrant

    
    	Steve Grenier mentioned "Delivering the Goods" in another
    	note ... is this an old album, or a newer "Greatest Hits"
    	type collection?
    
    							GTI
    

    It's another "Greatest Hits" type collection similar to Beyond Metal
    Includes:   The Sentinel
    		Love Bites
    		Screaming For Vengeance
    		Delivering the Goods
    		
    Some more but I'll have to check.
    
    Steve
    

    Delivering the Goods (released in '88):
    
    Love Bites
    Delivering the Goods
    Saints in Hell
    On the Run
    The Sentinel
    Burnin' Up
    Screaming for Vengeance
    Living after Midnight                 
    
    
    Steve
    

I like Tipton and Downing together...But this might be REALLY cool...
Can that guy play slow ??


jc

    
    	Actually, they could do better than KK ... he's OK, but
    	Glenn makes him look like dogmeat.
    
    	I compare Glenn/KK to JJ/Eddie from Twisted Sister.
    
    							GTI
    

                Picked up a  VHS tape the other day.  It's called
                `Fuel for Life' and has the following on it.
                
                          `Living After Midnight'
                               `Breaking The Law'
                                       `Don't Go'
                     `Heading Out To The Highway'
                                    `Hot Rockin''
                `You've Got Another Thing Coming'
                              `Freewheel Burning'
                                     `Love Bites'
                                      `Locked In' 
                                    `Turbo Lover'
                
                Not bad in my  opinion.  It's 38 minutes long and
                there's only one or two  of  the video's that are
                concert  footage.  (Mimicked or actual,  I'm  not
                sure.)  Not bad for $14.95.  
                
                They also had a `Priest - Live'  compilation  for
                the  same price, but I figured I'd wait  and  get
                that today or tomorrow.  That one had over  18  -
                20 different tunez on it.  
                
                METALord"�

Yo Matt,

I have both vids and Priest Live is cooler IMHO.

But I love both, cuz I love Priest.

;)

j

                Got it last week Coop !  It IS a hot compilation.
                Gotta' get the  list down on paper so I can enter
                it here.
                
                Definitely worth the $15.00 !
                
                METALord"�

    
        Somebody straighten me out on this. As I was jammin' away to
    my personal favorite, "Metal Godz", a friend of mine asks me if
    Judas Priest are a "Poseur" band. I denied this accustation most
    vehemently, of course, but it got me curious. Was this band ever
    known to be a poseur outfit? 
    
        Spaceknight_who_still_says_they're_excellent!
    

    It ain't so ... never was, never will be ....		8^)
    
    
    Scary

    
    	No way!!
    
    	If you watch the few videos they have, you'll be able to see
    	that they just plain kick butt ... none of the popular "hair
    	tosses" and fingernail polishing you have to endure when you
    	watch videos by ___ ____, etc.
    
    	[Notice I didn't mention any names.]
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    You GTI, its all one word
    
    
    JonBomb
    
    see. 
    
    
    schlepping

Agagagagagagagaaaa...

Priest a pose-band.

I'm rolling...

    
    Priest is about the most UN-poser band next to Motorhead and S.O.D.
    
    
    
    
                                DEEBS

        Can't even  think  of  how  they could EVER be a poseur band.
        They aren't OVER-played on the radio stations, (in fact, just
        the  opposite) or on  MTV,  or  plastered  on  the  cover  of
        poseur-style magazines. (i.e. - Metal Edge, RIP, etc. . .)
        
        Very  interesting  question though, although  I'd  personally
        have to say that anyone THINKING  that  JP  is a poseur group
        has to either have `hard water brain damage' or has done some
        serious mind-altering substances.
        
        METALord"�

    
    Any news on a new album from the Priest? Can't wait to hear Scotty T.
    playing with them!!!
    
    RE:.147
    
     Ya, I have Killing Machine. My friend (years ago) went to England so I
    had him get me a copy. 
    
    								R.C.
    

    
    I was told yesterday that K.K. Downing (Him and Ian Hill formed Judas
    Priest) was leaving the band and that they were breaking up totally.
    Whats the story?
    
    
    
    
                                  DEEBS

    that would be the biggest loss to hm' in a very long time.one of the
    first and still one of the best.

    FYI - Judas Priest will be on the "Today" show Tuesday morning - I
    looking forward to hearing them do a tune.  yeah ... right ...
    
    Scary (breakin' the law ... pop pop !)

    
    
    I caught the Today show this morning it was a kinda short interview.
    The had Rob H. on.  What a spiffy dresser he is. - Kim

    Well? Whaddhe say?

     
    
    RE: Jesse
    
    The same sh*t he say on Current Affair.  "There are no subliminal
    (I don't care if that's not spelled right) messages on any Judas
    Priest albums. all are music is positive not negative.  Also he
    mentioned that they just took down one iron curtin and now here
    in US these lawyers are trying to build another one etc.  Also,
    he was stating that this is all about artistic freedom and censorship.
    
    The show was worth seeing but, it was pretty short. - kim

    So Kim (aka Miz HM speller-of-the-year ;^), what did Rob wear on the
    Today show?

    
    
    ER:  Blil
    
    Rob had on this funky black suit jacket.  VERY BRITISH, and 60ish.
    And he had on this white ruffle shirt underneath.  He looked very
    sharp.
    
    P.S. I jsut wanna say THANK YOU to all of you that have supported
    me this spat year!!  And if it wasn't for going to Hudson High I'd
    never would have earned this presegise award.  Thanks again.  God
    bless you.
    
    - Kim

    
    	There's a new Judas Priest album out?
    
    	Anyone know anything about it?
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
     Whats the scoop on the trail? I've been on vacation for awhile
    and haven't heard anything.
    
                                  mike
    

    
    	I've been here for awhile and haven't heard anything!!
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    The UPI newsfeeds have been quiet (other than Pearl Bailey's death,
    Robert Goulet trying not to screw up the national anthem again at Dodger
    Stadium this weekend, etc.)
    
    Mike

    I''m also curious about this, isn't it about time for a verdict?
    
    gh

    I know I would!

    Listen to one of the members of priest on rock line. Said he was
    surprised trial has lasted this long. Still claim no subliminal
    naturally. Decision will be made Friday. They went with judge due to
    the fact that a judge would be more use to seeing pictures of the
    surviving disfigured boy. Prosecuting attorneys were asking for
    autographs for their kids.Ha. They were asked about making a movies
    about the whole thing but, their not really interested. They don't want
    to exploit the situation. He said that the four Englishmen were trying
    to hold our constitution together for us. They will keep on putting out the
    same kind of music. New album called Pain Killer. He said listen to
    this instead of taking drugs. Album out Sept. 18. Tour starts in Oct.
    If some of this reading looks strange forgive me because I was trying
    to write this while listening to the interview. The interview lasted
    about ten minutes. 
    						The KER
    

    
    prosecuting attorneys asking for autographs!!  
    
    thats cute.

    
    Anybody hear anything off of the new album? What was the name?
    
    
    
    
                                 DEEBS

    
    	"Painkiller", and no ... I haven't heard anything off of it.
    
    	Maybe WAAF will play some of it?  [Yeah, right.]
    
    							GTI
    

    I (well, me - coop andnour respective mrs. units ...) saw the video
    for painkiller debutted on MTV's HBB Saturday.  Pretty fast, almost
    thrashy - and Rob's sporting black eyeliner now ...metal-maybelline.
    
    Scary

    
    Judas Priest is my all time favorite heavy metal band. But lately I've
    had nightmares that someday I'll meet Rob Halford and he'll say:
    
    
    "Can I buy you a drink?"
    
    And I'll say "uhh...no thanks. I'm all set."
    
    And he'll reply:
    
    "A pity."
    
    
    
    
                                   DEEBS :^(

    yeah, that tune we heard on HBB was speedy as hell.
    I think they are trying to prove to the youngin'
    who it was that invented MARSHALL-MADNESS.
    
    jc

    re: .234
    
    I don't get it.
    
    < Ken >
    

    
    It's in a Cheech and Chong movie. A gay biker gives Tommy Chong a ride
    on the back of his bike and asks him if he could buy him a drink. Tommy
    says no,he has to get going and then procedes to leave. The camera gets
    a close up of the bikers face and he says to outloud to himself,"A pity."
    
    I think it was "Up in Smoke"
    
    
    
    
                                   DEEBS

    
    I just picked up "Painkiller". It's very fast and the new drummer is
    great. This album is comparable to Screaming for Vengence and Defenders
    of the Faith. Another plus is the fact the CD is a DDD. The front cover
    is a chrome winged dude(From Sad Wings) riding a motorcycle with saw
    blades for wheels. The engine is a Vincent V-Twin(British). The songs
    are:
    
    
                  Pain Killer                  Night Crawler
                  Hell Patrol                  Between The Hammer & The Anvil
                  All Guns Blazing             A Touch Of Evil
                  Leather Rebel                Battle Hymn (Instrumental)
                  Metal Meltdown               One Shot At Glory
    
    
                    A true comeback for Judas Priest!
    
    
    
    
    
                                 DEEBS

    Thanks for reminding me Deebs.
    
    I finally heard Painkiller (saw the vid on HBB).
    WOW!! What a RIPPING tune!! It's like JP finally looked at 
    the pioneers of speed metal/heavy metal and tried to one-up them!!
    The song has great complexity, great riffs, and does remind me a 
    lot of the faster SfV stuff. Only thing I don't like is the very
    end of the song. I think they could have ended it much better,
    with Rob keeping his mouth shut.
    
    /Motorbreath

    The new drummer, Scott Travis, was from Racer X, and this guy can cook!

    That explains a lot !  I liked the new toon a lot.
    
    
    Scary

    
    	Well, I know what album I'll be buying next.
    
    	I'm going to stop at Strawberries and hope they have at least
    	1 CD copy there.  Then I can listen to it on the way home, un-
    	less my batteries die on the way.
    
    	The GTI will be rockin' for sure!!
    
    							GTI
    

    
    I listened to the album many times and it is truly an ass kicker.
    Poseurs can leave their pocketbooks at the door! The Priest is back!
    
    
    
    
                                   DEEBS

    Agreed.  I'm appaled by this album.  It's speedy, crisp and tight.
    I think it's Priests way of showing whipped snappers like
    Metallica, Anthrax, MEGADETH et.al. who WROTE THE FREAKIN' BOOK.
    
    I love this effort.  It's not synth-o-pop like Turbo, it's
    just plain straightup Priest from way back mixed with
    a new sound and lightening speed.  Whoa.
    
    Now to the Annihilator note...
    jc

    
    
    I had a chance to listen to the new album.  It's GREAT!!!  Back to
    Defenders and Screaming for Vengence.  I like Judas Priest don't
    worship them but, after hearing their new work I'm really impressed!!
    This album rocks, a must buy for me!!!
    
    - Kim

    You guys ain't bullsh*tt'in me, right? This is really a Priest Album
    worth buying. None of that Turbo Lover crap. Guess I'll have a looksee.

    I also heard some songs of it and it's excellent. It seems heavier and
    faster than "Screaming.." and "Ram it ..". My only problem with Juda's
    Priest is when Rob screams .. I support well Randy Rampage but I have
    problems with Rob's screams (strange, no ?). But Rob has certainly a
    great voice.
    
    Sorin

    
    Yee ha!
    
    Turbo make me sick.
    
    Should have known JP still had it in them!

    
    	I've almost gone through "Painkiller" once, and my first imp-
    	ressions are:
    
    	Rob Halford still sounds great.
    
    	The drums are great!!  Sorry Dave, but Scott is here now!!
    
    	I still like the synth guitar sound.
    
    	Overall, I don't know how I'd compare it to DotF or SfV.
    	Those 2 are still my favorites.
    
    	I'll have to check the liner notes and see if they still
    	list the lead breaks [KK/Glenn].  Like "Ram It Down", KK
    	is still hard to tell apart from Glenn.
    							GTI

    Priest is back inhe driver's seat with this one.  It's quick, punchy,
    and Rob reminds me that he sports *the* best scream in metal, no
    contest.  And I also think the new drummer has sparked the boys to work
    a little harder on this one.
    
    Scary

    Just don't go out and shoot yourselves, it'll be too quiet in here.

    Oh yea. I killed myself yesterday.


    I hardly see any use of guitar synthesizers on this one. Only a little on
    an introduction to a song. Other than that,it's buzzsaw hammers.




                                  DEEBS

    humminahumminahumminahumminahumminahumminahumminahummina
    
    Good point about the drummer. Maybe he did have a lot of 
    influence on Priest.

    
    He
    
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    BUDDDDABBUBBABDBBBBABABBBBABABAAAUUAABBABABABABABABABAAADUBBAUDBB BISH!
    
    
    
                                 PAIN!

    
    
      I picked it up last night, I have listened to it twice but all
    I can say is WOW! Something fired these guys up big time! This is
    nothing like JP ever did. What a great come back after the last
    couple of just so-so albums.
                                    mike
    

    I think it was Scott too...that guy can cook!

    
    Pain Killer is a must. This is the best album I've bought in a long
    time. I can't believe they came back this good. The Priest show is
    going to be a meltdown.
    
    
    
                                  DEEBS

     I got to listen to the Priest album the same day I listened to
    Annilator. This album kicks butt also although I think I like the
    Annilator just a lil better. Scary thanks for this one also. BTW that
    last song on the album sounds just like M.C. Hammer. Odd isn't it.
    Sorta out of context.
    					The KER
    

    Well, there's a story behind that ... see Coop was making the tapes for
    me, and had the CD's loaded in his 6 CD magazine.  #3 happened to be MC
    Hammer, so when the Priest finished, MC took over ... I never listened
    to the Priest much with Annihilator on the other side ...
    
    Scary

    I think I need to clarify that MC Hammer is Mrs Coopers CD...Not
    Mr Coopers...
    
    ;)

    Coop is wimping out bigtime, just the other day at lunch he ordered
    quiche.
    
    
    I saw a new vid on HBB lasted Sat night, looks like I may buy the disk. 

    I heard a couple of cuts at Coops (the quiche eater) the other night. 
    Definately hot!
    
    gh

    
    Oh yeah..it definetly ROCKS!!
    
    jeff

    
    RE: Coop and quiche.
    
    What do ya expect from a guy that listens to Rob Halford?
    ;^)
    
    SESOB

    -1
    
    Ooooh, low BLOW!
    
    ;^)

    Yo J. no hitting below the belt. Rob H. wouldn't like it. 

    
    RE:  no hitting below the belt.  Rob H. wouldn't like it.
    
    I'm more afraid tha he probably WOULD like it.  Besides, how would 
    you know?  Do you know him PERSONALLY!?  Hmmmm?  Are you "buddies"?
    
    SESOB

	Judas Priest Says They Were Scapegoats in Unnecessary Trial
			by ANNE M. PETERSON
			Associated Press Writer

   NEW YORK (AP) - Members of the heavy metal band Judas Priest
would like to put the recent past behind them, but they're not
about to change their tune.
   The band is recovering from a recent Nevada court battle, which
questioned whether subliminal messages exist on their 1978 album,
``Stained Class,'' and ultimately prompted two young men to enter a
suicide pact.
   Lead singer Rob Halford and guitarist Glenn Tipton said their
court victory, clearing them of deliberately placing the subliminal
messages on the album, was bittersweet. But they're not about to
quit making the music they've been driven to make for the past 16
years.
   ``We won't back down to that kind of legal terrorism,'' said
Tipton. The Priest's new hard-driving album, ``Painkiller,'' and
upcoming tour demonstrate their tenacity.
   The band was cleared on Aug. 24 by Washoe County District Court
Judge Jerry Carr, who ruled the plaintiffs' alleged subliminal
message ``do it'' on the song ``Better by You, Better Than Me,''
was an unintentional exhalation of breath and a drum beat.
   ``We were fighting a case on an issue based on something that
doesn't exist. We had to sit in court while they were discussing
Freudian theories on subconscious levels and whether the
subconscious mind could pick up sub-audible signals and act upon
it,'' said Tipton. ``We had to sit through that when all the time
we wanted to just stand up and say, `But there are no messages!' ''
   Raymond Belknap, 18, died from a self-inflicted shotgun blast to
the face on Dec. 23, 1985. James Vance, then 20, shot himself also.
He lived but suffered horrible facial disfigurement, and died in
1988 of complications from his injuries and a reaction to
medications. Both had listened to ``Stained Class'' before making
the suicide pact.
   Their families sued Judas Priest and CBS Records for $6.2
million in damages, claiming the subliminal messages were on the
album and influenced their sons' actions.
   Defense lawyers, however, countered that the youths came from
troubled homes and had been drinking and smoking marijuana that
day.
   The judge did order CBS Records to pay the plaintiffs $40,000
for refusing to comply with discovery orders involving the original
master tape of the album.
   Both Halford and Tipton, recently in New York before three weeks
of rest in England and Spain, said they were sorry the young men
died, but the band was the unnecessary scapegoat for the tragedy.
   ``People try and shoulder the burden of guilt on any one else's
shoulders. They should look a little closer to home for the real
issues and the real reasons that cause incidents like this,''
Tipton said.
   Halford added that it was ridiculous to place the blame on the
band or the music. He said at times during the court battle he felt
it was heavy metal on trial, not just Judas Priest.
   ``There's absolutely never been, and never will ever be, any
scientific proof evidential that heavy metal music, or any kind of
music, can physically make somebody to do something, or change, or
be someone else.''
   So-called ``backward-masking,'' or conveying a subliminal
message by recording it backward, also became a well-publicized
issue in the trial.
   Halford testified on the stand he had put a backward message on
one Judas Priest song, but it was not on the album or song cited by
the plaintiffs. And he disagreed that backward messages are
``masked'' to influence behavior.
   ``No, it's not backward-masking. And that's the confusing issue
about that. When I made that statement in court, the prosecution
was jumping up and down in glee, because they thought they won the
trial,'' Halford said.
   ``The fact is, it's just a sound effect. It's been going on
since Jimi Hendrix and before him. It's a simple operation of
recording an instrument - a cymbal, a guitar, a voice - backwards
to create a sound effect. It's been going on for 30 or 40 years,''
he added.
   Tipton agreed, saying it was impossible to prove whether
backward messages are effective.
   ``In the whole history of there world there is not one instance
that's been proven that anybody can interpret anything backwards,
particularly something below audible level,'' he said.
   Halford, 39, wearing a T-shirt imprinted with the words ``Free
Speech'' formed from the American flag, is the group's primary
lyricist.
   He said that although Judas Priest is known for
``no-holds-barred'' heavy metal, he's never written lyrics that are
obscene, or advocate satanism or violence.
   ``That's what's so ludicrous about the whole controversy
supposedly surrounding this band,'' Halford said.
   Tipton agreed: ``We've never condoned the use of drugs or
alcohol or doing bad things.''
   Although the band does use words such as ``hell'' and ``damn''
on the new-release ``Painkiller,'' the words are not used in a
violent manner.
   ``It depends on how these words are used. We don't say `Take
these babies down into hell and kill them.' It's like `Hell's a hot
place.' The word hell is used, but its not used in what I would
consider a bad or influential way,'' Tipton said.
   Judas Priest, which includes Halford, Tipton, K.K. Downing, Ian
Hill and Scott Travis, will go on the road in October with their
new album. The worldwide tour starts in Canada, moves into the
United States in November, and ends up in Europe next year.
   Judas Priest is one of the founding fathers of modern-day heavy
metal. Known for cultivating the leather, studs and motorcycle look
in heavy metal, the band has cut 14 albums.
   Although Judas Priest has been around longer than many in its
genre, Halford says competition with younger groups is no longer an
issue with the band.
   ``What I've noticed in the past few years, particularly in heavy
metal, is that the substance is the most important issue now. It's
not how much hair you've got and how pretty you look. It's the
validity of your work,'' he said.

        Thanks for putting that in here Alan !  
        
        Oh yeah, someone  let  me  know if and when they're gonna' be
        inthe MA area.  This is one concert I'm not gonna' miss !
        
        Thanks. . .
        
        METALord"�

re-1    Dec 7th - Centrum

        TICKETS !  I WANT TICKETS !  Rae. . .can we talk ? :^)
        
        METALord"�

    Judas Priest. December 8 at the New Haven coliseum.
    
    
    
                         DEEBS

        Thanks to  RB,  I  picked  up  the  `Painkiller' tape Friday.
        After blasting this tape through the town roads of Vermont to
        Franconia, NH over the  weekend,  I  can  say  that  this  is
        definitely a harder sounding album than the past few.  A very
        welcomed release !
        
        METALord"�_Priest_fanatic_!

    For Inquiring minds:  Priest is appearing here tomorrow night with
    Megadeath and Testament.  They'll probably make it back to New England
    soon.
    
    Mike

    Where is "here"?
    
    
    
                               DEEBS

>    Where is "here"?
    
    Arizona State Activity Center, (ASU campus) Tempe, AZ.  I'm not going,
    but they'll make it back to the tundra soon ;-)
    
    Mike

    Mike,
    
    How come you'remissing this show?
    
    Marty Friedman...Alex Sckolnic-however-you-say-it...the priest boys...
    and you though the Satch show was a hot guitar show?
    
    Bah!

    Judas Priest December 8 at the New Haven Coliseum in Connecticut.





                                  DEEBS

        Okay, like  is  anyone,  like going to the concert in Woosta'
        ya' know ?
        
        METALord"�_fer_sure_!

    when is it again?

|           <<< Note 29.271 by JUPITR::WCLUETT "ELVIS IS DEAD!!!!" >>>
|        Dec 7th - Centrum
        
        METALord"� :^)

>    How come you'remissing this show?
    
    'cause they sing ;-)
    
>    Marty Friedman...Alex Sckolnic-however-you-say-it...the priest boys...
>    and you though the Satch show was a hot guitar show?
    
    I have never heard any material by Megadeath and Testament.  The last
    time I listened to Priest was back in high school when everyone was
    crankin' "Living After Midnight" ;-)
    
    Mike

    
    	Marty Friedman BURNZ!!
    
    							GTI
    

    Marty Friendman is out of control!  And that Alex dude from Testament
    is considered one of THE finest guitarist alive today...period!
    
    Not too many thrash guitarists who have their own collums in several
    notewrothy guitar rags!

    
    	Oui. Al Skolnick roooolz.
    
    /Motorbreath

    	 Oh must not forget Dave Mustane!!HA HA! What a poor excuse for 
    for guitar dooling with Marty O'Exotic.Marty really rules the tape
    I guess Dave wanted a Ballszy guitarist so he could practice up on
    his singing! HA! HA! 
    			Thumbs Up to Marty who in my book is the 
    		most different guitarist and who loves Dimished Leads!!
    				Cacophony Rules for Speed!
    					P.I.
    					i
    					e
    					r
    					r
    					e
    

                Hmmm...

                Didn't realize Marty Friedman, Dave Mustaine, the
                Testament guy, etc were all in Judas Priest
                these days...

                :')

    
    	RE: Rob
    
    	[As if you didn't already know this]
    
    	They'll all be playing in the same concert, and Judas Priest
    	is one of the bands that will be there.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    Just got tickets to the New Haven show. Anybody going?
    
    
    
    
                                  DEEBS

    I don't know if you have listened to Judas Priest for a long time or
    what
    but I have and I don"t think K.K. Downing is as good as G.Tipton but
    he has done a lot of thier main riffs and I"ve listened to them for 
    about 10 years, there both pretty good guitarists.
                           Gary.

    
    	I got into Judas Priest in late 1983, or maybe early 1984
    	when "Defenders ..." came out ... that was the first H_M
    	album I'd ever bought, and I was very impressed.  At first
    	I thought they were the best guitar team, until I started
    	to listen to the songs and follow the "lead break" notes
    	that JP supplies with their albums.
    
    	Glenn does all the major fingering, and KK does the wimpy
    	stuff.  They go good together, but Glenn stands out by a
    	mile or so.
    
    	BUT, I seem to remember that on "Ram It Down", KK was get-
    	ting better ... and I had a harder time figuring out who
    	was playing on some songs.  So he's on his way to being a
    	contender.
    							GTI

    I heard the song "Painkiller" on Z-rock the other night and you can
    *definately* still hear a difference.  I *have* to say that Glenn has
    progressed light years from where he was, I was mucho impressed!
    
    gh

    Woah, is that JP tour goin worldwide or what?!?

    
    	Painkiller
    	Ram It Down
    	Priest ... Live!
    	Turbo
    	Defenders of the Faith
    	Screaming for Vengeance
    	Unleashed in the East
    	Point of Entry
    	British Steel
    	Hellbent for Leather
    	Stained Class
    	Sin After Sin
    	Sad Wings of Destiny
    	Rocka Rolla
    							GTI

    -1
    
    Insert Unleashed... between Hell Bent... and British Steel!
    

    -2 
    insert Hero Hero after Sad Wings....
    
    
    jeff

    re: Jeff
    
    Hero, Hero *is* Sad Wings (and most of Rocka-Rolla), same songs just a
    different album arrangement.  It was an import only in the US.
    
    gh

    "Hell Bent For Leather" was called "Killing Machine" in the UK. There
    is also a double album version (Japanese only) of "Unleashed in The
    East"
    
    Wolf.
     

    300 replies
    

    
    
    	Apparently, Rob Halford held a press conference yesterday to announce 
    he is recording a solo album.  Also, he took the opportunity to refute
    rumors he is HIV+.
    
    
    Paul

    >Also, he took the opportunity to refute rumors he is HIV+.
    
    Well, IMHO, this sounds very much like the Freddie scenario.  Time
    will tell, I guess.
                                 

    Why?  Did Freddy deny it at first?
    

    
    No, he just didn't announce having AIDS until a few months before he
    died.
    

    It's the OLE macho rock and roll attitude....
    
                 Frizkid
    

>    No, he just didn't announce having AIDS until a few months before he
>    died.

I thought it was more like a few *days*.

-- 
Kevin

Robs doin' a solo project huh ??  Coolness!

jc (Who thinks Rob has the best scream in HEAVY METAL!)

    RE: Freddy
    
    It was well known in the "industry" for a long time that Freddy was
    sick, although the word "AIDS" was never really spoken by him or his
    mgmt until 2 days before his death.
    
    Not to confuse the Halford issue...all I'm saying is, I wouldn't be
    surprised.

    Naaah, Freddy Mercury's hair was about 10 times longer!  :')

    
    Not in the old days!

    Yeah, I know.  He has had his hair long at times....

    
    re Freddie
    
    He announced to the rest of Queen and his management a few months
    before he died that he had AIDS.  A public announcement was made two
    days before he died.
    
    

    Well Flip, I heard from my Record Company contact a year before
    Innuendo came out what was going on...

    Saw the Judas Priest/suicide story on PBS tonight... thanks to whoever
    mentioned that it was being re-broadcast!
    
    Like has already been said... the kids came from dysfunctional
    families.  The parents tried to blame their failure on the music.  One
    of the kid's sisters tried to commit suicide and she didn't even listen
    to metal!
    
    It said at the end that the one survivor admitted himself back into the
    hospital and later died of an overdose of medication.  Reasons unknown. 
    Not complications of the injuries as you thought, Shawn.
    
    Maybe it was another (sucessful) attempt at suicide.
    
    Ken
    

    
    	OK, thanks ... wasn't sure how he'd died, but thought it was
    	complications.
    
    							GTI

It was me that said it was going to be rebroadcast.  Should have reminded myself
since I forgot until 10 of 11 last night.

Shotgun to the mouth isn't exactly the way to improve your looks, huh?

This show was mostly about finding a scapegoat to blame.

Tim

    Another point to note is that one of the lawyers or someone was quoting
    lyrics from another one of the songs off Stained Class.  He said that
    Judas Priest sang "The father, son, and holy ghost.  Electric ecstacy"
    And went on to say that Priest were combining phrases in such a way as
    to merge the holyness of the bible with something_or_other, I can't
    remember what.
    
    But I put on Stained Class on the way to work today, and heard that
    line in the song Exciter.  They don't say "and holy ghost", it's
    something else which I can't make out, but it rhymes with "son".
    It's definately not holy ghost.  So they didn't even have the lyrics
    right!  (Unless it's sung somewhere else too... I didn't hear it)
    
    Ken
    

> Shotgun to the mouth isn't exactly the way to improve your looks, huh?
    
    No!  I would say not!!!  Eeesh!
    
    His nose looked like it was about twice the normal size (or more).
    I'm surprised he still had both his eyes!  Considering there was a
    nasty looking and bloody crack in his forehead!  Ouch!
    
    They showed the scene too, where his friend lay dead on the ground by
    the merry-go-round thingy.  I'm surprised they showed that.  Couldn't
    really see a whole lot anyway though.
    
    It was great to see Rob Halford play a boombox for the judge on his
    desk!  Also, when the Vance boy's mother was telling the jury what kind
    of music *she* listened to, (country western), KK Downing started to
    smirk!  Tipton managed to keep a straight face however.
    
    I wish I had taped it.  Is it going to be on again?!
    
    Ken
    
    
    
    

C&W !!!  Now that's a genre of music to get kids in trouble for sure.  Maybe they
shot themselves because they overheard their parent's Country Western Music.

Tim

    Now that it's mentioned... wasn't there something in some magazine
    about certain country & western type songs being banned from jukeboxes
    somewhere in the states....
    
    It had something to do with jukeboxes in BARS playing C&W stuff that
    was making people so depressed they were drinking more, and the Bar
    owners were putting more of this type of songs on the Jukebox so that
    people were drinking more...
    
    Bonzo (I could ofcourse be speaking bullocks ;^)

I heard on MTV news that Rob Halford is out of Judas Priest (kicked out?).

Tim

    Doesn't surprise me.

    I'd like to know the truth about these rumors of him havin AIDS.
    Last few pictures I've seen of him he looked thinner and Of_Course
    those Tatoos on his Nogin didn't help much..
    He does a song on the"Buffy_The_Vampire_Slayer"Movie track that KILLS!
    Here he has a solo album commin out which will feature A_Lot of bands
    backin him up..One being PANTARA!!
    
      Crazy_Hope_This_Isn't-A_Tribute_Album_In_The_makin_Al

    >I'd like to know the truth about these rumors of him havin AIDS.
    
    Well, My guess is that his probably suffering from the early stages of
    HIV disease, but who knows?!  You can call me crazy, but I called this
    one on Freddie long before it came out in the industry that such news
    was true.

    Well Buck,I wouldn't call you Crazy_Buck,but I hope yer wrong.
    
    
        Crazy_Was_He_On_Hangin_With_MTV_Singin_With_Skid_Row,Any_Body_Al?
    

    Maybe Mikey knows ... Rob used to hang out a lot in Phoenix a lot.

     Yesterday it didn't look like he has lost an weight....He a good size 
    gut going on. He shouldv'e kept his shirt closed...You should've
    seen it when he was singing high. YUCKO!!!!
    
    Maybe Freddy was singing about him when he once penned:
    
         It shakes all over like a jellyfish...I kinda like it. CLTCL 8)
    
              friz
    

    Is the geezer a bit ginger beer then?
    

    Rob Halford quitting Priest? Well they may as well call it a 
    day then. No Halford, no Judas Priest IMHO. 
    
    barry.

    Why, aren't the rest of Priest queer enough ? 8^)

    
    There was a disbute between the recod labels that lead to the break up
    of Judas Priest. 
    
    

    Yeah, what Chris said.  I saw Halford interviewed on MTV...
    
    gh

    I thought it was because they wouldn't let him do his project with 
    FIGHT?  
            Friz
    

    
    They [Columbia] WANT him to do his project FIGHT. But He's taken it to
    another record company, therefore causing a dispute.
    
    

    AH! BUTTTTTTTTTTT......He hasn't taken it to another label YET!
       His manager was SHOPPING for another label....That's what the dipute
    was about.  
    
           Friz
    

    
    What is FIGHT???
    
    I heard one of his new cuts called something like, "Life Comes from
    Black"??? (Don't quote me on this) For those of you that thought
    Pain Killer was hard... You are in for a surprise!
                                     
    joe

    Fight is Halford's new project.
    
    gh

    
    Rob is singing for Black Sabbath on the two OZZY farewell shows at
    Costa Mesa on November 14th and 15th.
    
    Ronnie Dio refused to support OZZY
    
    
    OZZY/SABBATH reunion?????
    
    
    HALFORD new Sabbath singer?????
    
    
    the plot thickens!
    
        
    paul

    Halford with Sabbath??  Very weird...
    
    gh

    
    Rob Halford has resolved his differences with Judas Priest and said
    'Priest definately have a future', the band are all meeting in Spain as
    we speak.
    
    They will be releasing a greatest hits album in the spring, meanwhile
    Rob IS continuing with Fight.
    
    
    paul
    

    
    That's good ... I still like Priest (old priest the best), and would
    hate to see them defunct.  
    
    Now Iron tar_pits, they're another story...
    8^)

    I`d like to see the timely demise of Black Sabbath,Iron Maiden and
    Judas Priest.
    
    Great bands in their day,but to carry on and on spoils it,imo.
    
    Led Zeppelin got it right.
    

Eee-ghads man, have you not listened to Painkiller recently ??
Seems like Priest is keeping up with the times pretty well for
old farts eh ??
jc

    What about Ram it down?It was a big pile of hen shite!
    
    
    
                                                staynz

    
    Painkiller rulz
    

RE: Ian


ARRRRGHHHH !!

How can you SAY that about my beloved Priest !?!?!?!  I think PainKiller 
RIPS !  Just goes to show that Priest can play a part in bearing the Heavy
Metal child, and still GROW with it !!

Listen to it more my friend, it'll grow on ya like a bald spot...

jc

>Listen to it more my friend, it'll grow on ya like a bald spot...
    
    And if anyone knows about *that*...
    

>    And if anyone knows about *that*...

There are at LEAST two things I know:

Bald spots and Priest.
:)

jc 

    JC
    
    .........be honest,Ram it down is a big pile of henshite!The title
    track to Painkiller is excellant,especially the drum intro but the
    vocals sound like a Dalek from Dr Who.They've had their time and done
    well now its time to give it up...........IMHO!of course!
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    
    
     I disagree, I thought Ram It Down had some great cuts on it,
    especially Blood Red Sky. Painkiller was great, new life for the
    Priest on that one! Some of Halfords vocals I don't care for as far
    as the way he was singing them, but I thought it was a great CD.
    I also have heard the song that Halford did for the movie Buffy The
    Vampire Slayer. The song really cranked! I have almost bought the
    CD for that one cut, but I thought I'd wait and see if Fight put
    out a release with that song on it. I'd love to hear more Priest,
    I hope they do more recording.
    
                                    mike
    

Am I the only one who thought Priest breathed NEW LIFE into the oldie-moldy
"Johnny B Goode" - I LOVE that COVER !!

Priest rules.
jc (Forever Vigilent)

Re. .351

Yes, "Blood red sky" is a HM classic. I also like "Monsters of rock" on RID.

Sorin

    
    "Whiskey woman don't you know that you are driving
     me INSAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNE !!!!!!!"
    
    I had to,
    Kev --

    Sad Wings was the last good album they did...

    Ah hem.   I don't *think* so, homer.   :-)
    
    

  >  Sad Wings was the last good album they did...
    
    Huh?!   You didn't like Hell Bent For Leather & Point Of Entry?
    

    
    I think the last one with Scott Travis is the best! 8-)

    
    I liked Scott Travis back in the Racer-X heyday.
    
    He's too slow now...
    
    
    Just joshin,
    Kev --
    See ya at Cannobie, I'm outta here!
    

    
    no way, keep the faith was the last good one.  that and screaming were
    the best 2 they ever did!
    
    

    no way--hell bent and screaming were the two best

    
    no way!  screaming and faith!
    
    

    
    	Rob's right ... those are their best.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    Apart from being a bunch of big Nancy boys and not very good,the last
    album they did that was any good was "British Steele".After that they
    catered more to the US market than anywhere else and thus produced
    buckets of shite! 8)
    
    
    						ian(mr.opinionated)

    All their albums RULE (Even Turbo..)!  
    
    Priest RULEZ.  Well, at least they haven't sold out like every
    other decent metal band (do I have to SAY Metallica?).
    :-)

    
    they are about teh biggest sell out bands of all time.The reason they
    moved here is because they could make more $$$$ from the US audiences
    who hadn't realised what the UK audiences had....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    that they were shite and big girl's blouses! 8)
    
    
    the song Painkiller was quite good,though!

    Ack!
    
    I'm drownin' in tears Ian!  I thought you'd be a major fan.
    :-)

>    All their albums RULE (Even Turbo..)!  
    
    Rob has to sing it differently these days.  "I'm your turbo blubber..."
    

    Jeff,
        I think we've had a discussion about them in the past.I think
    they're a bunch of sad,old queens who are living on past glories!
    Rob's new band "Fight" is trying be adopt the same style as his
    "friend's" band and failing dismally.Give it up and give us all some
    peace!
    
    
    
    						ian

    Fight maybe something new, but it's the kind of music ROB likes.
    Hard&Heavy. That's his style. Glen&KK like more mellow stuff(though
    mellow is not the word). 
    
    PRIEST RULE'z
    ALWAYS.
                        The Green Manalishi (with the two pronged crown)

    
    	I got "Metal Works '73 - '93" last week ... almost halfway
    	through it now.  A reasonably complete "Greatest Hits" set, or
    	so it would appear.  Not sure if there's anything from "Rocka
    	Rolla", but it does go right through "Painkiller".
    
    	2 CD's.
    
    	"The Hellion"/"Electric Eye" starts the collection off on the
    	right foot, that's for sure.
    

    Yes, but if you notice 'The Ripper' isn't on it.
    A pity since it's a great tune.
    
     

    
    	Didn't notice.
    
    	I guess I'll also have to carry "Unleashed in the East" around
    	when I have the new one.  8^)
    

    The left out The Ripper?!?
    
    That's it -- I WAS going to buy that album, but that is a KEY
    indication it must be crap!

    
    	Yup, typical Buck reply.
    

    
    Now wait a sec - Turbo Lover is a COOL toon!! 
    
    Now the album isn't my fave priest effort, but there are a couple
    of EXCELLENT toons on it...
    

    	Well, atleast the chick in the video is cool...I think she's
    in the other video off this CD aswell...
    
    Bobby T

    >	Well, at least the chick in the video is cool...I think she's
    >in the other video off this CD as well...
    
    Since when do Judas Priest videos have chicks in them?!?

    RE: Buck
    Since 'Turbo Lover'...
    
    And she IS a babe too...  Especially when she's riding that Honda 
    and looks at the camera and does that hair-thing.  Yeow.  I nearly 
    passed out from that look...  Yike!
    

    break-in-the-law, break-in-the-law
    
    That was the only Judas Priest song I got into.
    
    shane

    
    Same here...............

That's what we were singing while JJ & Tigga were cheating at Picionary II...

Tim

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    	RE: a couple back
    
    	Shane, listen to more of their stuff ... I think you'll like
    	a bunch of it.
    
    
    	And does anyone have any info on the upcoming tribute album
    	that was mentioned in some other note?  Does anyone know who
    	will be doing which songs?
    

    
    	RE: .351 [Mike Ferris, if you're still around]
    
    	"Light Comes Out of Black" was released as a CD single, if you
    	don't want to buy the entire "Buffy ..." soundtrack.  And, of
    	course, if you can find it.
    

    Do These Guys Have A Greatest_Hits CD??
    
    
      Crazy_Never_Saw_One_Al
    

    Judas Priest does have a greatest hits album out...it's called "Metal
    Works '73 - '93"  I think...and it is pretty well worth it!

    Is It A DOuble_CD??
    

    Yessir!  Sorry I forgot to mention that...it's got something like 30
    tune...I think!

    
    Unfortunatly, the Ripper is not included. 8(
    
    How they can put out a 'greatest hits' CD and not include that is beyond
    me.
    It is a good one tho.
    
    Dave
    

June 6th, 1996

The European version of the Judas Priest tribute album, simply called "A
Tribute to Judas Priest Legends of Metal" and released by Century Media, is
now out in the shops. It is volume one of two and the second volume will be
released later this summer.

The tracklist:

  1. Helloween - The Hellion/Electric Eye
  2. Fates Warning - Saints In Hell
  3. Gamma Ray - Victims Of Changes
  4. Devin Townsend - Sinner
  5. Mercyful Fate - The Ripper
  6. Rage - Jawbreaker
  7. Radakka - Night Crawler
  8. Doom Squad - Burnin' Up
  9. Lions Share - A Touch Of Evil
 10. Testament - Rapid Fire
 11. U.D.O. - Metal Gods
 12. Saxon - You've Got Another Thing Comin'

More detailed info and my personal thoughts of the album can you find here.
The japanese version of this album will be released on July 24th. No
further info available on the US version.

The following are confirmed artists and songs that will appear on the
second volume:

   * Ralph Scheepers ("Desert Plains")
   * Trouble ("Deceiver")
   * Forbidden ("Dissident Aggressor")
   * Blind Guardian ("Beyond The Realms Of Death")
   * Angra ("Painkiller")
   * Overkill ("Tyrant")
   * Nevermore ("Island Of Domination")
   * Machine Head ("All Guns Blazin'")
   * Iced Earth ("The Ripper")
   * Vera/Bush/Ian/Fischer ("Burning Up")
   * Abstrakt Algebra ("White Heat Red Hot")

and yet to be confirmed tracks from Dream Theater and Manowar.
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                         A Tribute To Judas Priest
                          Legends Of Metal, Vol 1.

                       Another boring tribute album?
                           Another quick cash-in?
Certainly not! Actually, this is what every true Metal fan has been waiting
                                    for:
    A tribute to the gods by bands that have established a name in Metal
                 (no make that M.E.T.A.L.!) for themselves,
              or are clearly influenced by the mighty PRIEST.
                     Bands that are similar in attitude
                  and will appeal to every PRIEST maniac.
                   And there is still a lot of us around
           - no matter if Metal is the fashion of the day or not.
        JUDAS PRIEST have recorded 12 stunning studio albums so far
  - and few bands have written so many timeless classics in their careers.
              Some of these anthems you'll find on this album,
                     some will be featured on Vol. II,
                 and some may come as a complete surprise.
     But you'll enjoy them all and find yourself crawling on the floor
                  after re-living these LEGENDS OF METAL!
      So turn up your stereo, grab that old air guitar - and remember:
                      You've got another thing comin'!

                              - G�tz K�hnemund
                           (Rock Hard magazine)

These words from the sleeve of the album says it all. It is an album that
will keep you rocking for at least 59 minutes and probably much longer. All
bands make excellent performances with guitar work and arrangements which
sometimes are so much like the original that it's hard to distinguish
between them. In some parts I miss Halford's vocals, but it's probably just
a matter of getting used to it.

The cover artwork is made by Axel Hermann and shows a typical
Priest-monster, apparently mutated from The Metallion from the cover of
"Defenders Of The Faith", The Hellion from "Screaming For Vengeance" and
The Painkiller. Only the right part of the monster is visible from outside,
the left part is on the back inside (under the CD). The cover also has a
slightly modified version of the standard Priest logo in a gold/yellowish
color and a listing of all the bands in what seems to be a
most-famous-first order: Helloween, Saxon, Gamma Ray, U.D.O., Testament,
Rage, Mercyful Fate, Devin Townsend, Fates Warning, Lions Share, Doom Squad
and Radakka.

All the lyrics are printed in the sleeve and helped me to fix some mistakes
in "Saints In Hell" (two lines in French, no wonder I couldn't figure it
out!), "Sinner", "Metal Gods", "Burinin' Up", "Rapid Fire" and "Victim Of
Changes".

About the songs...

Helloween - The Hellion/Electric Eye (4.04)
     Classic Helloween sound with a touch of Priest. Good guitar work.
Fates Warning - Saints In Hell (5.03)
     A song from the 70's with sound from the 90's. Ray Alder's voice is
     really magnificent in this song.
Gamma Ray - Victims Of Changes (7.19)
     A bit heavier than the original but same arrangements. A true classic
     piece!
Devin Townsend - Sinner (7.40)
     Clearly inspired from the version on "Unleashed In The East". It even
     has the audience roars. Heavier than the original and a real rocker.
Mercyful Fate - The Ripper (2.50)
     Probably the track where I miss Rob the most. King Diamond's voice is
     not perfect for this song, but it's still a good performance.
Rage - Jawbreaker (3.26)
     A slightly more rocking version of this (in my mind) classic Priest
     song.
Radakka - Night Crawler (5.49)
     A creative version with some voices deep from the grave in between.
Doom Squad - Burnin' Up (3.55)
     Pretty much like the original...
Lions Share - A Touch Of Evil (5.37)
     Very good version with a special interlude in the middle. Andy
     Engberg's vocals reaches every note. And he even has the same haircut
     as Rob.
Testament - Rapid Fire (3.40)
     The least Priest-ish track on the album. This is classic Testament
     sound, with heavy guitars and deep vocals which make out the
     speed/death metal sound of this song.
U.D.O. - Metal Gods (4.07)
     We're all familiar with Udo's voice (if you're not, I suggest that you
     go out and get some U.D.O. or old Accept albums right now!) and it
     wouldn't fit in all Priest songs, but "Metal Gods" sounds almost like
     it was written for Udo.
Saxon - You've Got Another Thing Comin' (5.29)
     Final track on this album just as on several others. Not quite the
     grab-you-by-the-guts feeling from the original but it still rocks.

Where to find it...

In Europe it shouldn't be any problems. Any decent record shop would have
it or at least be able to order it for you. In the worst case you can
contact the distributors:

     Germany: SPV
     Benelux: Rough Trade
     Sweden: House Of Kicks
     UK: Plastic Head
     France: WMD
     Austria: NSM Records
     Switzerland: Disctrade
     Italy: Flying Records
     Spain: Donosti Rock
     Portugal: Musica Alternativa
     Poland: MMP
     Czech Republic: Globus, Ma. Bona
     Greece: Rock City
     Norway: Voices Of Wonder
     Finland: Spinefarm
     Denmark: Nordic Metal

The record should be available from Century Media's mail order service in
the USA.
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May 10th, 1996

The new vocalist in Priest has now been selected. It is Tim Owens, a 28
year old singer from Akron, Ohio. He sang earlier in U.S. Metal and for the
last year he's been in a band called Seattle, a cover band doing Pearl Jam
and other grunge bands music. More information on Tim is available here.

This information came from Jayne Andrews, personal assistant to Judas
Priest:

"The Waiting's Over--

After being inundated with thousands of applicants from all corners of the
planet and finding many possible contenders -- Judas Priest now have their
new man -- he is 28 year old U.S. vocalist (Ripper) Owens. With Scott
Travis on drums, they are currently recording their new album scheduled for
release later this year.

It's harder and heavier than anything before -- so get ready for the
onslaught..... THE PRIEST ARE BACK.. "

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This information was provided by Robert J. Louth and all opinions are his
own. Questions regarding Tim Owens can be sent to me and I will forward
them to Robert.

General Info

Name: Tim (Ripper) Owens
Age: 28
From: Kenmore, Ohio (a suburb of Akron, Ohio not Canton, Ohio as is
published on some sites)
Description: Approx. 6 ft. tall w/brown short hair (close to Halford's hair
length when performing in local bands).
Talents: Vocals, and some limited guitar, excellent stage presence.

Previous Bands

   * U.S. Metal - Northern Ohio club circuit Heavy Metal cover band.
   * British Steel - Judas Priest tribute band touring Northern and Central
     Ohio area including Akron, Canton, Cleveland, and Columbus areas.
   * Seattle - Seattle Sound/Grunge cover band performing music from bands
     such as: Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Stone
     Temple Pilots, Queensryche, etc.

Tim is not well known simply because he is a local guy in the Northern Ohio
(USA) area and has been in a few local area bands, but has not broken into
the National or International scene and until now, was largely
undiscovered. He can sing with power, he can scream, wail, or he can have a
very gruff, growling or scratchy sound to his voice or he can sing in
harmony or in a melody. He is very versatile and should be able to "Deliver
the Goods" and do anything he is asked to do by other members of Priest.

I have seen Tim perform live with both British Steel and Seattle. He seemed
to have no trouble performing/sounding remarkably similar to Rob Halford,
and did an admirable job performing material from all of the Seattle bands
as well. (Performances with British Steel actually included all appropriate
Leather and Chrome accessories!) He has a tremendous vocal range (Similar
to that of Halford) and will be able to accurately perform most old Priest
songs live. Ofcourse there is only one Rob Halford in this world, and I am
not implying that Tim Owens will replace him, I simply mean to say that for
all of us traditional die hard Priest fans, he will be able to do justice
to all of the old Priest material in concert. And you'll be amazed how much
he looks and moves like Halford on stage!!

On Vinyl?

To my knowledge, Tim has not appeared on vinyl (or CD) anywhere before.

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November 17th 1995

Glenn Tipton's new solo album will be released in spring 1996 by Atlantic
Records according to Jayne Andrews, Personal Assistant to Judas Priest.
Other musicians that will be assisting Glenn on the album are Robert
Trujillo (from Suicidal Tendencies, Infectious Groove) and Brookes
Wackermann with guest appearances from Cozy Powell (from Black Sabbath,
ELP, Whitesnake, etc.), John Entwhistle (from The Who) and Whitfield Crane
(from Ugly Kid Joe).
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    Massive activity in the Judas Priest note!  Sounds like that
    tribute thing's one to grab.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    What's the skinny on Priest's new singer, "Ripper" Owens (some
    sh#t like that..)?  I was reading in one of the geeter-mags that
    they listened to 1000+ tapes and held countless auditions.  And
    according to Glen Tipton, this guy had the gig from the very first
    line of "Victim Of Changes" (probably my favorite JP tune ever).
    
    I guess he's from somewhere in the midwest...don't know what's up
    here.  Anyone?
    
    Kev --
    

Go back 3 replies

    I'd like to hear this new guy sing Heart of a Lion!

    
    P.s. -- I wonder if the "ripper" will ride a Fat Boy out on stage
    like Rob did at every show?!

    
    RE: .398
    
    Buck, didn't Racer-X do a cover of "Heart of a Lion" on the 'Second
    Heat' album???
    
    Kev --
    

    RE: 401
    
    Why yes, Kev, they did.  Rather good cover, too.

    
    Ahhhhh haaa!!
    
    

Subject: 
              Re: Glen Tipton solo album reviews?
        Date: 
              26 May 1997 00:45:58 GMT
        From: 
              [email protected] (Rory Campbell)
Organization: 
              University of New South Wales
           To: 
              Rolf Vellek <[email protected]>
 Newsgroups: 
              alt.rock-n-roll.metal
  References: 
              1


In article <[email protected]>, Rolf Vellek <[email protected]> writes:
|> Has anyone bought/heard his new CD titled "Baptism of Fire".  I've
|> almost bought it but was hoping to hear some word of mouth.  Please post
|> & e-mail me with any info, thoughts.
|> 

I just got it last week.  I was a bit hesitant because it received
mixed reviews, but when I saw Cozy Powell featured I just *had*
to get it.

The verdict:  very good album.  The only thing I can't get used
to is Glenn's singing.  I guess it's no coincidence that my
favourite track is an (almost) instrumental.  The final track
"Left For Dead" is an awesome ballad, and Glenn's cover of the
Rolling Stones song "Paint it Black" is very good too.  Kind of
like Priest's cover of "Johnny B. Goode".

Get it.
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