Conference 7.286::sports_91

    What the hell does that have to do with sports?!  Another junk note.
    Take it to 73.  STOP THIS NOTE !!
    
    MrT

    Keep it up MrT, and I'll print that craven, simpering letter ....

    
     Hey !!
    
     Dr. 00:00:00 has every right to print that note.  King was an
    important man in american history and brought to the forefront
    many issues and concerns that still plague us today.  It's a shame
    that King's dream is still as distant today as it ws when he was 
    shot in `68 (I was 6 yrs old).  The very sole of our country
    depends on everyone being equal...  With out that we are nothing
    and we are bound to fail in the eyes of history.  MLK was a great
    man, with a great vision...  It's to bad that this great country
    as done so little to acheive MLK's "Dream"  
    
    BG

    I think it's relevant too.  Ask Mr. Heiser about what happened to
    the Super Bowl scheduled down his way?
    
    Or Dee Brown about the "misunderstanding" he had with the Wellesley
    police?
    
    Or what's going to happen as a protest outside your Metrodome over
    the name "Redskins"...
    
    I think it's all relevant...

    I agree with the intent of the basenote and subsequent replies, but I
    gotsta axe, why cain we have a note on MLK, yet Mike gets shot down
    when he wants to discuss religion?
    
    Seems to me Walt's thread of logic cain be applied to religion as well.
    After all, we have athletes making the Sign Of The Cross before an
    at-bat and after a touchdown, we have John 3:16 visible at most
    sporting events, and we even have many of our roots in Sports dating
    back to Daniel vs. the Lions at the original Italian Open :^).
    
    Kidding aside, I fail to see why we cain have notes like this, and not
    let those who wish to talk religion do so.  Sounds a little
    hypocritical to me.
    
    My $.02
    
    Mark.
    Mark.

>    Kidding aside, I fail to see why we cain have notes like this, and not
>    let those who wish to talk religion do so.  Sounds a little
>    hypocritical to me.
    
All I can say is this:

	When the religion debate started, it was there for a little
	while.  When the potential became great for people to get a 
	little more heated up over it, and when the mods got mail
	from some noters expressing discomfort with the topic, 
	it was shut down.

	This topic is sitting here now.  At this point in time I don't
	see the potential for arguments increasing.  If it should do
	so, or if there should be an inordinate amount of mail to the
	moderators expressiong concern/discomfort with the topic, 
	then it may also be shut down...


Nothing hypocritical if the entire story is known....


'Saw

    Agreed, Mark.  
    
    I had things set up to give Heiser a perfectly good and richly
    deserved ace whupping with my documented sources and it got shut
    down cold.  Now, for some reason, we have yet ANOTHER religious
    fantasy being projected as fack.  If this note belongs anywhere,
    if, then take it to Soapbox where it'll get a good going over...
    
    My $2,000,000.
    
    MrT

    T'ain't what I said T.
    
    Anyway, I gotsta new job so I gotsta make tracks...
    
    Later dudes and dudettes...it's been real.
    
    Mark.

>    Anyway, I gotsta new job so I gotsta make tracks...
>    
>    Later dudes and dudettes...it's been real.
    
Where?  In da company or out?

We wants some info Marky Mark!!!!


'sAW

Since every one has an opinion...

I say discussing religion in sports is no different that discussiong
drugs in sports. If it's relevant to the conversation, let's hear about
it. In some cases, both - religion and drugs - are very relevant.

The relevance of MLK to sports certainly continues from last year's Super
Bowl. In fact, I read an article over the weekend on how some Arizonians
are planning on celebrating the event.

The relevance of religion to sports comes up often in the "testimony" of
may of the athletes. God is up there with Coach on the list of the
reasons given for athletic success. Are we supposed to pretend that the
athletes don't mention it?

There are other religious issues concerning sports. One that came up a
while back was about the PGA and a hard core group of golfers who have
taken it upon themselves to spread the word. Si had an article on it and
the reactions to other players on the tour.

And there are other political issues concerning sports.

I say, let's open the debate to things that are involved with sports.

Now as a separate topic? That's something for someone else to determine.
Personally, I've never had any problem with any of the topics here. When
I stumble onto something that I don't want to read, KPcomma is and easy
Next Unseen.

TTom

>    your birthday - that's a holiday now, except in some backward corners 
>    of the nation: New Hampshire, Arizona, that sort of place.

    It's pretty obvious that Mr. Knell is a misinformed idiot.  I'm pretty
    sick of the perpetual rag on Arizona too even though they are the only
    state to have the filberts to put the MLK day to vote.

    All children in Phoenix are at home today in observance of MLK day,
    including mine.  Not bad for a state that doesn't observe the holiday!

    Mike

It's really sad that we can't even have a tribute to a great man on his
birthday without having it degenerate into childish bickering.

j.

>It's really sad that we can't even have a tribute to a great man on his
>birthday without having it degenerate into childish bickering.

Actually, his birthday was last week.

    
    
    Anything can be discussed - and has (just about) - in this file.
    
    The problems with debates/discussions on religion/MLK/etc. are when the
    discussion reverts from a  simple discussion to one where either a
    faction tries to prove that their side is absolutely 100% correct and
    the other side is immoral or other such crap.  
    
    The logic used in here to defend why could be used to defend anything. 
    We could discuss child molestation because of Lance Rentzall, for
    instance, or rape, using Hollywood Henderson.
    
    Some issues, however, don't belong in here.  
    
    If you want to have full-blown temper flaring, and increased potential
    for serious action (read:  personal/etc. involved with the moderators),
    then you only need to let debates on religion/politics/race/sex rage
    on.   Those issues will light fires and cause repercussions.
    
    And, no matter what the outcome of debates on those subjects, things
    wouldn't change.   Either side could claim victory - yet the other side
    would just go on believing what they believe in.  So it's pointless.
    
    Just like Saw and others of us pass on essays on Veteran's Day, or
    Halloween, or Christmas - in my opinion, Doc sent his greetings to us
    on MLK day - in the form of a newspaper article.  You may not agree
    with it - you may not want to hear it.  You may not think MLK is worty
    of a holiday.
    
    But just the same way that we can enter Veteran's Day essays - or
    holiday greetings - we can have a simply tribute to MLK.  
    
    Is it pertinant to sports?  IN the context of the Arizona/other states
    and sporting events issues - YES.    In the oveall context of the place
    of minorities in the sporting world, in comparison to minorities place
    in the non-sporting world - YES.   It cuts through the fabric of
    sports, and of our society.
    
    1968 was one of the most important years in the lives of Americans. 
    MLK's assasination was one of the most important events of that year.
    The protests at the 68 Olympics were also important events.  Taking
    time to think back of the progress made since then in U.S. sports is a
    worthwhile endeavor.
    
    Send mail to the moderators - an option you always have - if you find
    this topec not tasteful, not worthy of this conference, not relevant,
    or  if it offends you - and ask that it be write-locked.  Just as with
    other topics, they will judge.  That's one of their functions as
    moderators - something that I don't begrudge them.
    
    JD

    
    re .15, and other re Arizona:
    
    "...read how some Arizonans are celebrating MLK..."  sheesh, I hope you
    guys don't think ALL Arizonans voted against the holiday.  It failed by
    less than 1%.  I'd bet many states couldn't pass it in a vote of the
    people.  I'd also bet AZ has more MLK celbration events than any other
    state.  I was at the official MLK breakfast on Friday (Rosa Parks was
    the guest), there was some public speakers downtown on Saturday, Sunday
    we had the official celebration and a bunch of special services, and
    there is a parade today.  
    
    There are several large voting blocks who are dead set against the
    holiday (by and large, *I* think its for reasons of race).  The problem
    is, these groups vote in unusually large numbers, while groups that
    suypport the holiday don't vote in such large numbers.  A recent poll
    shows 62% of Arizonans want the holiday.  It doesn't tell what % of
    voters want it.  If the state legislature had the balls to vote in the
    holiday themselves (like they should) it would no longer be an issue. 
    
    And (to keep this in tune with the topic) the NFL is hurting the issue
    more than helping.
    
    Bruce   

>   I had things set up to give Heiser a perfectly good and richly
>    deserved ace whupping with my documented sources and it got shut


T,

 The day you document your sources is the day DEC's vast store of frozen
turkey's comes back to life and marches on washington for animal rights...


Metz
   

    Thanks JD for your note.
    
    I submitted the letter to spark discussion, NOT to bash Arizona. Did
    anyone noticed how the letter pointed out NFL hyprocisy ?
    
    Sheesh ....
    
    I went to two events concerning Dr King last week, one was a guest
    sermon by a dear friend, and the other was a group discussion at a
    friend's house. Both audience's was racially mixed, and there was some
    rewarding and frank dialog.
    
    I had hoped to see some as a result of the note - instead, the Mother
    Of All Ratholes.
    
    Somehow, it is a sadly fitting tribute to the degeneration of Dr King's
    legacy.
    
    Doc

       you'd think if MorT had 'documented sources', he'd at least send
    them on to Mike via Mail. Or send them to an 'impartial juror'.
                                           Denny

    Well said,  JD...  Here Here !!
    
    BG

    Ditto.

    RE: .18
    
    �Actually, his birthday was last week.
    
    Scott,
    
    The article was dated 15-Jan-92.  The 15th was his birthday, so its
    just a matter of timing.
    
    Jo

    Look at this...I come out of the Charger note to look around and here
    you all are discussing real issues!  Wow!  This is too much!  I'm going
    back to my own note.....
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

>       you'd think if MorT had 'documented sources', he'd at least send
>    them on to Mike via Mail. Or send them to an 'impartial juror'.
    
     Exactly Denny!  Excuse the rathole, but I gave that request and the
    mailbox is STILL EMPTY!

    
>>      <<< Note 236.21 by DECWET::METZGER "T is spinning like a top..." >>>

>>>   I had things set up to give Heiser a perfectly good and richly
>>>    deserved ace whupping with my documented sources and it got shut


>>T,

>> The day you document your sources is the day DEC's vast store of frozen
>>turkey's comes back to life and marches on washington for animal rights...


>>Metz
    
    Metz, totally rollward with this reply.  My vote for Note of the
    Year!!!!
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Let's be fair.  The base article states that Arizona and New Hampshire 
    are "backward corners of the nation".  If that's not an inflammatory
    statement outside of the theme of memorializing Dr. King and presenting
    the race problems this entire country (not just those states) still 
    faces, I don't know what is.  The article itself makes it clear that
    the problems are those of the entire country, so it's understandable
    that many residents of those two states would object to being painted 
    with a broad brush as some kind of special, hopeless exception.  I 
    doubt Dr. King himself would have made such a distinction.
    
    For what it's worth, like Bruce feels about Arizona, I feel that in New
    Hampshire the MLK holiday met with opposition in some circles purely
    from racial motives, motives strong enough and close enough to the
    mainstream to keep it from being declared a state holiday until this 
    year (as Civil Rights Day, to be celebrated on MLK's birthday; the 
    legislators still couldn't quite bring themselves to use the name of 
    the man universally accepted as the leader of the movement, even though 
    it's obvious that the birthday of that leader is what's being observed).  
    To a degree I'm ashamed of that fact, but I also understand that state 
    boundaries are essentially arbitrary and in no way clearly define the 
    feelings of the citizens contained within them.  The problems are no 
    longer North versus South, East versus West, or those between any other 
    conveniently divided geographical regions, so I don't see much point to 
    the state-bashing.
    
    Personally, I don't mind these kind of notes (but I didn't mind the
    religion stuff either, so I'm not saying this from the standpoint of
    DEC policy and I understand the decision the mods have to make).  I
    also don't think difference of opinion should be taken as a personal
    affront or an affront to Dr. King's memory or legacy.  Hell, respect
    for difference (of race, of religion, or of opinion) was what the Civil
    Rights Movement was all about.  That shouldn't stop on Dr. King's
    birthday.  In fact, if the discussion that goes on that day were
    in the spotlight more often, more progress might result...
    
    glenn
    

    Dr. King,
    
    It looks like they all missed the point.  
    
    What you did, you did for the *HUMAN RACE*, not one race in particular.
    
    It seems like your work is evolving into rhetoric for special interest
    groups.  I was actually told, since I am white, that it was "strange"
    that I was proud of your achievements.  Apparently, it is still not
    understood that you stood for equality for everyone, not improving 
    equity for a few.
    
    It is true, several African Americans are now sports hero's.  As a
    matter of fact, African Americans are shown on all over T.V.  There
    is even an African American channel!
    
    I think you'd be proud of them.
    
    We do have a new black supreme court judge, he is not Marshall, and
    has been under attack by his own race because he has his own views,
    some that are not shared by others in his race.  I think you'd be
    proud of his choice to stand on his own principles and beliefs.
    
    As for the state of the country we still have a problem with poverty,
    homelessness, drugs, and disease.
    
    Most minorities are still disproportionately impoverished, although the
    majority of people in poverty are white.  Can you please send a sign to
    some of the folks you work with, and tell them that we need to
    emphasize helping *ALL* those in need as opposed to *ONE* certain group
    in need?  It would help clear some things up.
    
    It seems everyone can blame others why things can't be done, but no
    people, these days, want to take responsibility for falling short.
    
    Most of our people still don't vote, and then claim the system doesn't
    work!
    
    Anyway, as a member of the human race, and an American, I take
    exceptional pride in your achievements.  I hope your dream can be 
    realized and put back on track.
    
    Happy Birthday!
    
    Chip Bach 
    
    P.S.  Please ask God to show mercy on Al Sharpton, he knows not what he
    does!

    re .30
    
    In some ways yes, but I guess a good friend of mine said it best when
    he preached a guest sermon in Acton last Sunday.
    
    If there was an issue that would be a pet issue of Dr King's today, it
    wouldn't be war, or AIDS, or poverty - although he'd certainly be heard
    on it.
    
    It would be the lack of love and compassion that people exhibit today.
    It's reflected in every aspect of society, and even worse, to show
    something different is considered weak and soft ...
    
    Doc

RE: .26

Thanks Jo, I just assumed the article was from the 20th without looking at the 
date.  Not that it matters much NEways, IMO for many this holiday is just an 
opportunity to give lip service to MLK and then forget about him and his ideas
the other 364 days of the year.

Scott

    ...then you have losers like Public Enemy railing Arizona while
    completing ignoring MLK's message of non-violence.

      Don't know if Mike has a problem with PE, but I certainly do, don't
    you Doc? You don't actually think there's nothing wrong with their new
    video do you? I saw the first half of Nightline lasted night, looked
    pretty disgusting to me.
                                   Denny

    I don't think it'd be money-grubbers like PE who'd make MLK toss in
    his grave, I think it'd be Chaney and Stomper demanding lower academic
    standards in the name of hoops and that clown on Boy Firestone's show
    lying his ace off about how it's been "proven" that standardized tests
    discriminate against blacks (but not yellows or browns somehow).
    
    Haw haw haw...
    
    MrT

    Their Name is fitting, thats for sure (P.E.)  Thing that bothers
    me is that there are many "Rap" bands that promote positive 
    behaviour and they seem to get lumped in with P.E. and 2LiveCrew
    et al and get a bad rap, so to speak.  I really can't tolerate that
    kind of music but some fo the songs I've heard promote staying off
    drugs, non violence, and a strong family.  Others,  Promote drugs
    and the like.  Is this the kind of thing our kids (or Yours, I don't
    have any) should be hearing about in song... I think not !!
    
    BG

    
     The Clash used to call themselves the only band that matters. No
    band has more of claim to that title these days than Public Enemy.
    If you don't like what they're saying (and this is not directed at
    anyone in particular) too bad because you're not supposed too.
    
    As far as what would or would not make MLK turn over in his grave
    very few who've proffered opinions are even minutely qualified to 
    do so.
    

	Last time I checked it was still a free country (although MorT and 
his lynch mob would prefer otherwise), and Public Enemy can say what they 
want.  You can censor all you want but the problems will not go away just 
because you don't hear about them.

				/Don

       I don't have any beef with their right to say whatever they like. I
    just think that painting the whole state of Arizona as racist when the
    referndum failed by what, 1%? is a little too much.
       BTW, the 'governor' who they blow up in the video, supported the
    holiday.
                                  Denny

    >it was still a free country (although MrT and his lynch mob would
    >prefer otherwise)
    
    You're mixed-up, /Daidbeat Don.  You're perfectly free to pay your
    debt, nobody's stopping you.  You're also free to publicly file 
    moral bankruptcy, which you in fact have done.
    
    re 1
    
    Yeah, maybe if PE's "musicians" had boned up a little more on their
    contemporary American history they woulda been aware of the Govenor's
    stance on the holiday.
    
    The whole AZ holiday thing is a farce.  The two most important Americans
    in our history are Jefferson and James Madison.  No paid holidays for
    them.
    
    MrT

    RE: .34
    
    Oh, you're welcome Scott - its my self-appointed job to notice these
    things. :-) :-)
    
    I have to agree with you on the rest of what you said.
    
    Jo

Since Tommy mentioned them the other day, I did a little listening around 
for Boyz II Men.  Definitely MOST cool.

While I'd still get a kick outta Rich Little doing the Anthem, I'd 
"settle" [isfh] for Boyz...definitely....


'Saw

    re .42 and .43
    
    Perhaps if you both looked at the ENTIRE video, you'd know that the
    video 
    
    1) Is a fantasy piece
    2) Did not use the current governor, but a fictional future governor
    who was a David Duke clone.
    
    Now back to your polemic without the facts ....
    
    Doc

    Isn't it telling that this note started on MLK and devolved into
    a discussion of rap "music?"  Isn't that indicative of what's happened
    to black America since Martin's CIA assassination?
    
    What's hard about being a musician?
    
    1) Mastering an instrument
    2) Knowing how to sing
    3) Writing music
    
    Rap "musicians" do none of these things.  And they're 1st grade "poets"
    to boot.
    
    You've come a long way since Count Basie babee.
    
    MrT

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     This isn't a discussion of rap music but rather a discussion of
    a rap group who produced a scathing attack on racism in Amercia.
    therefor is completely relevant. It wouldn't matter if PE were punk,
    or reggae or C&W. Nice try at a rathole though.

    Speaking of RAP, here's another oldie but goodie:
    
How To Write a Rap / House(glorified disco) / Disco Song
--------------------------------------------------------
 
LYRICS:
Simply take one word or phrase from each of the three columns below, in order
to make one line.  Repeat randomly four times.  Repeat process again twice
to make chorus.  Repeat last line 17 times.  Don't worry if they don't make
sense.
 
Column 1		Column 2		Column 3
 
Move it			Triple Beat		The City Streets
Get Up			Body Heat		You'll be Humpin
Pump It Up		Feel the Beat		Before the Night is Over
Get Down		Get Around		Shake your Meat
Shake it		The Joint Is Jumpin	Bustin Loose
Pump the Jam		Feet are Stompin	Disco Heat
 
BACKBEAT:
Program a drum machine in neverending 4/4 time.  Add occasional snare.
 
BODY:
Add monotonous bass in one key.  Overlay with puncy sounding synth.  Get
previously unknown singer to talk the lyrics so as not to test the range
of the vocal chords.
 
PRODUCTION:
Put above ingredients together on master tape.  Press discs.  Give the label
a suitably techno-funk sounding name, like "Mixmastermeatbeaters".  Sell 5
million copies to unsuspecting public.  Win MTV Award.
 
 
The sad thing is the public will *think* you've been creative...  
 
Better still, this process can be automated via a lyric C program, a random 
synth base and music generator, and the discs mastered directly by computer
control.
 
This relieves the composer of decisions regarding which phrases and notes
to use in production.  By pressing the <RET> key, more than 100 CD's a week
can be generated.
 
Cut here and compile to become a RAP star:
    
#include <stdio.h>
#include <time.h>
#include <ctype.h>
 
static char     col1[6][30] = {
	"Move it",
	"Get up",
	"Pump it up",
	"Get down",
	"Shake it",
	"Pump the jam"
};
 
static char     col2[6][30] = {
	" to triple beat ",
	" get body heat ",
	" feel the beat ",
	" get around ",
	" the joint is jumpin' ",
	" feet are stompin' "
};
 
static char     col3[6][30] = {
	"in the city streets\n",
	"you'll be humpin'\n",
	"'til the night is over\n",
	"shake your meat\n",
	"I'm bustin loose\n",
	"with disco heat\n"
};
 
main()
{
	int	chor[2][3];
        int     i,j,getpid();
        long   	now;
 
/* Generate random seed */
 
        now = time(&now) / rand();
        srand(getpid() + (int)((now >> 16) + now + time(&now)));
 
/* Generate chorus and title */
 
	for (i = 0; i < 2; i++)
		for (j = 0; j < 3; j++)
			chor[i][j] = rand() % 6;
	printf ("\n\"%s\" by Mixmastermeatbeaters\n\n",col1[(chor[0][0])]);
 
/* Print out song */
 
	verse();
	chorus(chor);
	verse();
	chorus(chor);
	lastline(chor);
	printf("-----\n");
}
 
chorus(chor)
int	chor[2][3];
{
	int	i;
 
	printf("\n(chorus)\n");
	for (i = 0; i < 2; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[(chor[i][0])]);
		printf("%s",col2[(chor[i][1])]);
		printf("%s",col3[(chor[i][2])]);
        }
	printf("\n");
}
 
verse()
{
	int	i;
 
	for (i = 0; i < 4; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[rand()%6]);
		printf("%s",col2[rand()%6]);
		printf("%s",col3[rand()%6]);
        }
}
 
lastline(chor)
int	chor[2][3];
{
	int	i;
 
	for (i = 0; i < 17; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[chor[1][0]]);
		printf("%s",col2[chor[1][1]]);
		printf("%s",col3[chor[1][2]]);
        }
	printf("\n");
}

#include <stdio.h>
#include <time.h>
#include <ctype.h>
 
static char     col1[6][30] = {
	"Move it",
	"Get up",
	"Pump it up",
	"Get down",
	"Shake it",
	"Pump the jam"
};
 
static char     col2[6][30] = {
	" to triple beat ",
	" get body heat ",
	" feel the beat ",
	" get around ",
	" the joint is jumpin' ",
	" feet are stompin' "
};
 
static char     col3[6][30] = {
	"in the city streets\n",
	"you'll be humpin'\n",
	"'til the night is over\n",
	"shake your meat\n",
	"I'm bustin loose\n",
	"with disco heat\n"
};
 
main()
{
	int	chor[2][3];
        int     i,j,getpid();
        long   	now;
 
/* Generate random seed */
 
        now = time(&now) / rand();
        srand(getpid() + (int)((now >> 16) + now + time(&now)));
 
/* Generate chorus and title */
 
	for (i = 0; i < 2; i++)
		for (j = 0; j < 3; j++)
			chor[i][j] = rand() % 6;
	printf ("\n\"%s\" by Mixmastermeatbeaters\n\n",col1[(chor[0][0])]);
 
/* Print out song */
 
	verse();
	chorus(chor);
	verse();
	chorus(chor);
	lastline(chor);
	printf("-----\n");
}
 
chorus(chor)
int	chor[2][3];
{
	int	i;
 
	printf("\n(chorus)\n");
	for (i = 0; i < 2; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[(chor[i][0])]);
		printf("%s",col2[(chor[i][1])]);
		printf("%s",col3[(chor[i][2])]);
        }
	printf("\n");
}
 
verse()
{
	int	i;
 
	for (i = 0; i < 4; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[rand()%6]);
		printf("%s",col2[rand()%6]);
		printf("%s",col3[rand()%6]);
        }
}
 
lastline(chor)
int	chor[2][3];
{
	int	i;
 
	for (i = 0; i < 17; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[chor[1][0]]);
		printf("%s",col2[chor[1][1]]);
		printf("%s",col3[chor[1][2]]);
        }
	printf("\n");
}
    
#include <stdio.h>
#include <time.h>
#include <ctype.h>
 
static char     col1[6][30] = {
	"Move it",
	"Get up",
	"Pump it up",
	"Get down",
	"Shake it",
	"Pump the jam"
};
 
static char     col2[6][30] = {
	" to triple beat ",
	" get body heat ",
	" feel the beat ",
	" get around ",
	" the joint is jumpin' ",
	" feet are stompin' "
};
 
static char     col3[6][30] = {
	"in the city streets\n",
	"you'll be humpin'\n",
	"'til the night is over\n",
	"shake your meat\n",
	"I'm bustin loose\n",
	"with disco heat\n"
};
 
main()
{
	int	chor[2][3];
        int     i,j,getpid();
        long   	now;
 
/* Generate random seed */
 
        now = time(&now) / rand();
        srand(getpid() + (int)((now >> 16) + now + time(&now)));
 
/* Generate chorus and title */
 
	for (i = 0; i < 2; i++)
		for (j = 0; j < 3; j++)
			chor[i][j] = rand() % 6;
	printf ("\n\"%s\" by Mixmastermeatbeaters\n\n",col1[(chor[0][0])]);
 
/* Print out song */
 
	verse();
	chorus(chor);
	verse();
	chorus(chor);
	lastline(chor);
	printf("-----\n");
}
 
chorus(chor)
int	chor[2][3];
{
	int	i;
 
	printf("\n(chorus)\n");
	for (i = 0; i < 2; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[(chor[i][0])]);
		printf("%s",col2[(chor[i][1])]);
		printf("%s",col3[(chor[i][2])]);
        }
	printf("\n");
}
 
verse()
{
	int	i;
 
	for (i = 0; i < 4; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[rand()%6]);
		printf("%s",col2[rand()%6]);
		printf("%s",col3[rand()%6]);
        }
}
 
lastline(chor)
int	chor[2][3];
{
	int	i;
 
	for (i = 0; i < 17; i++) {
		printf("%s",col1[chor[1][0]]);
		printf("%s",col2[chor[1][1]]);
		printf("%s",col3[chor[1][2]]);
        }
	printf("\n");
}

    re .48
    
    I plead gulity Jeff. See you there ?
    
    Doc

Doc, 

As long as you don't rap it, I might even show 8^)


'Saw

    I dunno Hawk ... suppose I stop using those McGooney (Big 33) burgers for 
    landfill by Seabrook ? :-)
    

    Hawk, I gave a Zamfir CD to my ex-roommate as a housewarming present
    when he invited me over this past summer. Too funny ! He actually
    played it during dinner, and me and him were ID'ing the tracks we had
    heard on the commericials.
    
    The two ladies on the other hand ... well let's just say they were
    looking for straightjackets in the catalog ...
    
    DOc

    Hey, Roger Whitaker roolz, man...
    
    "For you are... beautiful, and I have loved you dearly, more dearly
    than the spoken word can tell..."

>
>    Hey, Roger Whitaker roolz, man...
>    
>    "For you are... beautiful, and I have loved you dearly, more dearly
>    than the spoken word can tell..."


NOT!


It's Boxcar Willie, singing the great Hank Williams hit "Kalawga"(sp)....


'Saw

    I realize that this has totally rat-holed from the original topic,
    but...
    
    The base-note article is in a couple of other files on the net.  A
    particularly good follow-up is in both Soapbox 1096.71 and MenNotes
    728.1.  (I have permission from the author to cross-post here, but it's
    well over 100 lines.)
    
    A&W

    ...only 100 lines? In the old daze that was an intro in a MorT note!
                                      Denny

>    ...only 100 lines? In the old daze that was an intro in a MorT note!


The good old days, when men were men and sheep were scared, and 
Poor MrT couldn't say anything in less than 1000 lines....


'Saw

    Good ole days?  It was hell for DECwindows users!  Thankfully, we had
    coffee breaks or other windows while we waited for his "reply" to load.
    
    Mike

>    coffee breaks or other windows while we waited for his "reply" to load.
    
Mike,

Some in here would say his reply WAS a load....


8^)

'Saw

    I'll remind you that those long notes were long cuz they were jam-
    packed with corroborated sources.  After Danism spread like wildfire
    in here I accepted that people weren't gonna respect documented fack
    so I made a partial move down to the level a discourse expected in 
    here (cf. /Daidbeat Don).
    
    re .50's DIY Rap Kit
    
    Haaaa.  Note a the year!  Funniest note in years!  Congrat's to the
    main from AZ.  My only criticism would be calling the rapster a
    "singer."  Since when do these spittle-slobbering geeks sing?
    
    MrT

    A friend of mine wrote this as a response to the note in .0...
    I got her permission to put this in.  Don't think her name needs
    to be published, but if someone wants to talk to her, send me mail.
    
    -Walt

    I have mixed feelings about the letter in the Middlesex News. But then
    I have mixed feelings about a lot of things, including King himself.

         I am a person who grapples with Martin's human frailties:
    womanizing and plagarizing. But at the same time, if his DR. title was
    stripped away, I think I'd be comfortable, because he EARNED his Nobel
    Prize. I spent the weekend reading his speeches and hearing his
    sermons, and seeing the love he had in his heart, and the dream he had
    in his mind for America. For black people AND white people. He did make
    a BIG difference in this country.
    
    So, here's my letter.
                                                      
                                                           Jan 21st, 1992
    
    
    Dear Martin,
         First, let me thank you for speaking the words which came from
    your heart. Its been 25+ years, and some of them, we know from memory.
    That you had a dream. That you had seen the promised land, and although
    you might not get there yourself, you knew we would some day. That you
    believed that little black boys and girls and little white boys and
    girls would someday hold hands together. That when you had to explain
    to your young children that black children couldn't go to the local
    amusement park, something snapped inside, and that's just one reason
    "why we can't wait".
         Nina Simone wrote a song called "The King of Love is Dead" as a
    eulogy. It hurt a lot of us Martin, to lose you, to lose your idealism
    in a world where idealism is so often laughed at and ridiculed, and
    worse still believed to be ineffective. That March on Washington is
    STILL a rich memory in the minds of 300,000 people who were there, as
    well as countless others who were glued to the TV screen, trying to be
    a part of a miracle. We've never, ever had a more successful march,
    Martin. Not on any topic.
    
       Its not fun to tell you how it is now. Nobody is holding high the
    torch of love like you did in the sixties. Nobody has arms high enough
    to get the torch up there. Hate rules, Martin. Hate and violence. I
    have my torch. I hold it as high as I can. But sometimes, I succumb.
    Love is a hard thing to hold in your heart toward everyone these days.
    
    	You probably want to know how black folks are doing. Its a mixed
    bag, Martin. Innocent children don't get hosed down and have dogs sent
    out to attack them... but oh, you should see what happens if someone
    thinks we're guilty. Criminals are the first line for turning hate
    towards. Everyone thinks they're a legitimate target. People who were
    KNOWN to have done wrong... its just that a lot of 'em are black,
    Martin. They say its not a race thing. But sometimes, sometimes, I
    think the color of our criminal population makes it just a little
    easier for folks to pretend they aren't human. We've got 600,000 black
    men in the penal system, Martin. And a lot of them don't have much to
    hope for.
    
    Hope is the operative word. I think you gave people a special hope...
    but they took it too far. We had the dream, and we decided we couldn't
    wait. But the pendulum stopped swinging at a certain point, and even if
    it isn't as bad as it was, we're so busy talking about the fact that
    we're not as far as we expected to get, that sometimes we won't admit
    that where we are is better than Jim Crow days. You never said it would
    be easy, you never said it would happen overnight. And you said love
    was the key. People seem to have forgotten that last part... we're
    quick to take love out of the recipe and then wonder why it doesn't
    happen.
    
    	What's happening to us, you ask? We've got a few folks who are
    working REAL hard to make a difference. Coretta, especially. You'd be
    REAL proud of her, Martin. She wants to keep your dream alive. There's
    a woman named Oprah Winfrey who's made some money in talk shows, and
    she's sharing it, investing it in black people and education. In
    helping young black women make something more of their lives than just
    babies. And then there's Bill Cosby. Did you see him on I Spy with
    Robert Culp? He's also doing good things with his millions. And trying
    to be a positive role model who cuts across race, trying to touch the
    hearts of all people. And there's Stevie Wonder. The little blind kid
    with the harmonica. His music is so filled with love. He also wrote a
    song about you. We've put some blacks in office. We have a black
    governor in Virginia. A black mayor in New York and Chicago and LA.
    White people heard your message, Martin, and some of them really are
    willing to judge people by the content of their character instead of
    the color of their skin. Jesse Jackson developed this thing called a
    Rainbow Coalition. It had your flavor, Martin. And there were white
    people who felt that, and decided to rally when he ran for president.
    Your touches are felt everywhere. Sometimes they are subtle. Sometimes
    they ring with love and harmony. And it does *ME* good to remember some
    of the positive things.
    
    	But yes, a lot of us are still poor. We're seeing a further
    deterioration of the family. The things you predicted about families
    when "responsibly black men are forced to act irresponsibly", when a
    black woman raising a family alone can sometimes do better with a
    Welfare check than she does with a husband on minimum wage... it did
    hurt us Martin. Just as you predicted. We have a new group of children
    with little hope. They're not sure what good education is. They don't
    know if "the system" will give them jobs. They don't always know love
    in their own homes. They don't have enough role models. Not enough
    people reach out to them. And when they have no hope, they get angry.
    Violent. Abusive. Its black kids, white kids, Chinese kids, etc. We
    had punk and now have skinheads. We have hate music representing life
    "in the street". We have gang wars where kids shoot kids over drugs...
    or sneakers... or dating women of the wrong race... or being thought
    to. And when these people grow up, they're still intolerant. The KKK is
    back with a vengeance, and well-meaning, "neutral" people cite the 1st
    Amendment instead of questioning the whys and generating harmonious
    solution. People don't seem to WANT love and harmony.
    
    	The pie, the big American pie, doesn't look infinite anymore, and
    we fight for our piece of it. We jump on the race bandwagon so quickly.
    We have factionalized. Its RARE that we remember that we're have being
    American in common. It doesn't count for enough any more. We have this
    "Afro-centric" movement that would make you wonder. Its not like we
    haven't claimed kinship to Africa before. My 80+ year old aunt says
    this is the THIRD time this century we've revived the theme. But
    somehow, we get into this trap of dividing ourselves with it. If you
    don't espouse it, you're branded. And heaven forbid if you actually
    believe in integration - NOT assimilation - and haven't let go of the
    Dream about little black children and little white children. Sometimes
    these people write letters, like this one, subtly putting down your
    dream, talking about how out of date you are. They probably say Jesus
    is out of date, too... They'd rather talk about John's Revelation, and
    try to figure out who's going to burn in hell. 
    
    	Martin, I know you were human. I won't even go into all the things
    I know... the things the FBI talked about. The things ABERNATHY talked
    about. The things the universities question. But we need more people
    who had your dream. More people with your message. People don't believe
    that love is a valid answer to the world's dilemmas.  But I just
    haven't seen any other answer that doesn't include people dying, not
    just "not afraid to die". 
    
        We're killing each other in horrible numbers and nobody says enough
    of anything to make a difference. We make babies that we haven't the
    resources or fortitude to raise, much less enough love in our hearts.
    There ARE new issues. But the message of love still holds. I know
    that's the part that you would never change, Martin. 
    
         I want you to know that I hold your message deep in my heart.
    And I've met others who do. Who try to approach the world with love.
    Who hate the sin but love all sinners. Who believe that respecting your
    fellow person is the right thing to do. Who know that the more people
    of EVERY nationality we get working together, the better chance we have
    of making America great... we still exist Martin.
    
    	And I promise, not just on the one day that they named in your
    memory, but every day that I can, I'll try to act on your dream. To
    love people, or as they say in my religion (I'm Buddhist), have
    compassion. Its hard to turn the other cheek, but I *have* learned that
    its easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar. And that my words
    reach more people when I show my compassion for people's differences
    instead of annoyance.
    
    	Maybe it doesn't seem like much if you only get one letter from one
    person saying that I wholeheartedly believe in your dream. 
    
    But I know, in the depths of my soul, that I am not alone.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    			Thank you for being such a great messenger,
    
    
                                 Lauren 
    
    
    

    John Bary, the national amateur heavyweight boxing champ and the fave
    to represent the USA in that division at Barcelona, says his efforts
    are being hampered by racism.  
    
    "It isn't even a subtle thing," Bray said in LA.  "It's right there for
    anyone to see.  The team is filled with resentment and racism, and I'm
    just sick of it.  I get racist stuff all day when I train with my own
    team.  From the other fighters, even from the coaches of the team.  I'm
    the only white guy on the team and all I hear all day long is 'hey
    honky.  Hey, white boy'... you can only ignore it for so long.  I've
    kept this to myself for a few years.  That's long enough."

re .-1:


I think one of the bad side effects of the whole movement is that there
are times when things swing the other way, yet if you mention it,
then you are termed a racist.

I personally haven't experienced anything like that, but I know of folks
who have, and the big dilemma is "Do I say anything, and be deemed
prejudiced, or do I say something so that things get put right?"


Tough questions with no easy answers,
'Saw

    
    This is an update of .48 :
    
    
The PKO Cluster Valuing Diversity Program is sponsoring an event in
recognition and support of Black History Month.  Please join us at:


		  "Multiculturalism In The Nineties . . .
			Fear it or Welcome It ?"

Multiculturalism is probably THE social buzzword/concept of the 1990's. 
It is a unavoidable issue, yet it is approached with misconceptions 
and fear. 

You belong to a minority culture, but you live and work in a culture
which is largely defined as White and Eurocentric.  How do you shift
gears between these two cultures while maintaining centeredness and
selfhood?  Presentor George Brooks informally discusses his 
experiences as a Black male bridging two cultures and his observations 
of the culture clash in Corporate America  . . . when integrating these 
cultures is safely possible, and what the present and future results 
may be of successful and unsuccessful bi-cultural integration.

George Brooks, originally from Oakland, California, relocated from 
Houston, Texas, in 1988 to assume his current position as a Software 
Engineer at DEC at the Mill.  George has two B.S. degrees:  one in
Physics from Texas Southern University; the other, Electrical 
Engineering from Rice University.  George is currently the President 
of the National Society of Black Engineers, Alumni Extension.

***********************************************************************
	       Wednesday, February 12th, 9:00 to 10:30
  Corporate Marketing C.R., PKO3-1 (left from the employee entrance)
***********************************************************************

 Geez this George Brooks guy sounds interesting. Anyone know him?

    re .72:
    
    Didn't realize the MVTGA had a distinguished orator in its midst. :-)
    
    
    py

    
    Of course the question is "will he show"?????
    
    many, many ;^)
    
    Kev
    

    Seriously Doc,
    I have another meeting at the Mill that day and can't make it, but
    the subject ( nah, not the presenter, 8^)) looks very interesting
    and informative. So as Kev asked, do you have plans of taping it?
    I for one would be interested in viewing it.
    
    MikeL
    

    You would have to ask the PKO people. I don't know ...
    
    But I guess I'd better take a bath and use a breath mint. :-)

    	Good luck Doc.  I hope you don't "Chamberlain" the presentation.
    8^)
    
    				/Don

    Yeah but how many...

    There's Mike, coming to Groaner's aid...You Groaner-puppet!  Look it up, 
    the Groaner says the same thing....(smileys go here...)
    

    I think Groaner has to put a note in first for me to puppet to it.

    No, as long as the idea's the same...