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	They're all into wind up gramophones here so don't expect
	much of a response.

	You'll get everything you want for about �170 ish, and the
	reproduction will be better too. Look for models with
	bitstream conversion.

	Last year the Phillips and Technics looked best. Phillips
	was rated best on sound quality apparently but I got a
	Technics with which I'm very satisfied.

	-John

    re .1...
    "They're all into wind up gramophones here so don't expect
     much of a response."
    
    Put something in that interests you and that you think will interest
    like minded people, then, instead of leaving it to a few people with
    limited areas of interest and knowledge.
    
    If you don't put anything in, don't complain about the lack of notes
    that interest you.
    
    Dave_the_co_mod 
    

What is it with VAX Notes these days? I thought my basenote was
perfectly reasonable: I was surprised that there was no response
sooner. Thanks for the reply, .1: now I know why no-one else answered -
it seems you get criticised if you do.

I'm sorry I dropped in.

Keith

    woops what have I wondered into. I agree with .1 on the issue of Philps
    and Technics, though in addition I've read good reviews of the low
    price NAD players which I think are based on the same technology as the
    technics. I think it wise to maybe consider players with Digital
    Outputs, even down at this price. this way you keep your options open
    i.e. you can change the convertor at a later date if you want.
    
    Some would say that a cheap player aint worth using as a transport, but
    I'm not so sure. there was a review of various transports a while back
    in HFN&RR and a cheap Philps player (under #200) was found to compeat
    very favourably with the like of ARCAM, Meridian and WADIA.
    
    I use a Marantz player with outboard DAC, the player uses the basic
    philips transport, and I'm very pleased with the result.
    
    just an idea anyway
    

	Well, I've learnt one thing about wind up gramophones, 
	namely how to wind them up.

	-John

As an earlier reply said - you can buy a very good cd player for less than 200
pounds.

I've got a JVC xl-335 which was 170, has remote control, digital output,
bitstream processing and track control features that I've not bothered to try 
out yet. I was considering an equivalently priced Technics model but that was 
discontinued (February time) although revamped versions of both makes are now
available again. 

Both Technics and JVC models received good reviews for sound quality. The more
expensive versions of the machines had more features (but some review comments
seemed to indicate a deterioration in sound quality).


...Art

ps.I live fairly close to dec park, if you're interested in listening to it get 
   in touch.

    Keith!
    
    Have a listen to Denon, the 2560 or the 1560 (if it is still about).
    Warm, spacious sound is my impression if 300 smackers is your limit.
    
    If you get sick of it one day, then I guess you could buy a DAC of your
    choice, sit tight for a further 5 years and then lash out on that 'last
    upgrade' standalone transport and put the Denon into the bedroom.
    
    
    My personal feeling lies infact some where else! For 300 pounds or less
    I would buy a multiplayer to keep the family happy (Denon make  one in
    the US !) and wait for separate DACs and standalone transports to come
    down in price/go up in performance. They are still in their infancy I
    feel and I for one am doing just that, keeping my domestic side happy
    meanwhile and playing the waiting game for a bit longer.
    
    Hope it gives you another side to the CD story.
    
    cheers 
    
    fjeff

Thanks to all who responded both here and by mail. It's given me food
for thought; I'm hoping to look and listen to some next week. I'll let
you know whta I decide in the end.

Keith

    Also listen to the new range of Sony X111ES to X777ES cd player, it
    used the latest Sony PULSE ( Sony way of 1 bits convertor) convertor.
    
    happy hunting...
    
    Parry

 The reply a few back made me think, seeing that my CD player is now 5years old,
and was bought cheap as an end of line job then, it may well need replacing 
within the next 5 years !!!!! The main question I had was, does anyone know 
whether there is a significant difference in quality between multiplay players
and similarly priced single disc players. The more imprtant quality being 
transport quality than over all sound quality, as they will all have a digital
output to allow for the sound to be upgraded when the money is available.



		 Alan
		~~~~~~

    As general rule, these things are built to a price. If for �X you want
    to include multiplay, then something else has to be left out, usually
    either other facilities or build quality. Since facilities are a big
    marketing plus for most mass market CD players, and build quality is
    often invisible, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which will be
    lowered to keep to a price point.
    
    I could be wrong, but I would guess that few, if any, mulitiplay CD
    players have a digital output anyway. The people who are likely to buy
    the sort of systems multiplays are predominant in wouldn't have a use
    for or want a digital output. Not a criticism or value judgement, just
    an observation.
    
    Dave

Also, don't assume that the transport has no effect on sound quality.

Nick

 The transport was what I was mainly enquiring about, even if it didn't sound
like it. If they do have digital output, then in the long term the quality of 
the transport is what matters, as a different DAC can be added, if it doesn't 
then I would probably not bother with it. 
 I didn't get a chance to have anything much in the way of a look at it, but I
did see a CD player the other day that was multiplay by having 2 totally
seperate draws. Novel eh ? (or is it ?)

		 Alan
		~~~~~~