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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

5085.0. "Retirement Package Brewing????" by RELYON::HUTNICK () Mon Jan 13 1997 16:43

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5085.1interestingvaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Jan 13 1997 18:064
5085.2smurf.zk3.dec.com::PBECKDon't cry for me, Macarena...Mon Jan 13 1997 18:361
5085.3re: .1 - NO they wouldn't exceed 55(36 + 18=54)TRLIAN::GORDONMon Jan 13 1997 22:221
5085.4STAR::KLEINSORGEFred, OpenVMS System Technical LeaderMon Jan 13 1997 23:014
5085.5COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Jan 13 1997 23:393
5085.6Gordon needs a new pair of glasses :-)vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 14 1997 00:444
5085.7Waiting to exhale...BIGUN::BAKERat home, he's a touristTue Jan 14 1997 01:115
5085.8BHAJEE::JAERVINENOra, the Old Rural AmateurTue Jan 14 1997 03:222
5085.9Done itIJSAPL::OLTHOFSpellchecked Henry AlthoughTue Jan 14 1997 03:257
5085.10Maybe soFRSBEE::MAYALLTue Jan 14 1997 07:528
5085.11Wow!RELYON::HUTNICKTue Jan 14 1997 08:118
5085.12too good to be trueASABET::SILVERBERGMy Other O/S is UNIXTue Jan 14 1997 08:264
5085.13BIGQ::GARDNERjustme....jacquiTue Jan 14 1997 08:493
5085.14YASHAR::RONNIEBDebt Free! Thank You, Jesus!Tue Jan 14 1997 08:501
5085.15"Compaq merger"???KANATA::ZUTRAUENalways lookin' to learnTue Jan 14 1997 08:544
5085.16RE: RUMOR - hope it hasn't been posted elsewhereAD::DUPCAKTue Jan 14 1997 08:5840
5085.17make it 70!SUBSYS::BEAUSOLEILTue Jan 14 1997 10:084
5085.18Ok, who do we call? :-)SYOMV::FOLEYInstant Gratification takes too longTue Jan 14 1997 13:015
5085.19STAR::KLEINSORGEFred, OpenVMS System Technical LeaderTue Jan 14 1997 13:1314
5085.20Gotta ask :-)vaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 14 1997 14:558
5085.21PADC::KOLLINGKarenTue Jan 14 1997 15:187
5085.22New Retirement Plan hurts the about-to-retire?25421::MACDONALDTue Jan 14 1997 15:426
5085.23PADC::KOLLINGKarenTue Jan 14 1997 16:5613
5085.24Xref to over 100 replies in the Digital_Investing notesfilevaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerTue Jan 14 1997 17:102
5085.25STAR::KLEINSORGEFred, OpenVMS System Technical LeaderTue Jan 14 1997 20:3923
5085.26LEXSS1::GINGERRon GingerWed Jan 15 1997 10:5910
5085.273 more yearsNASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksWed Jan 15 1997 11:566
5085.28If benefits are part of a SERP package, they can't cancel them.NETCAD::CAHALANWed Jan 15 1997 11:587
5085.29COOKIE::FROEHLINLet's RAID the Internet!Wed Jan 15 1997 14:105
5085.30OverkillGENRAL::R_STEWARTWed Jan 15 1997 18:266
5085.31bend overvaxcpu.zko.dec.com::michaudBen DoverThu Jan 16 1997 02:08219
5085.32FABSIX::J_RILEYLegalize FreedomThu Jan 16 1997 03:424
5085.33Cheek is still stinging!WMOIS::GIROUARD_CThu Jan 16 1997 06:1425
5085.34Add another straw said the camelFRSBEE::MAYALLThu Jan 16 1997 07:5020
5085.35dittoSUBSYS::BEAUSOLEILThu Jan 16 1997 07:543
5085.36LEXSS1::GINGERRon GingerThu Jan 16 1997 08:3012
5085.37ditto, last few!NETCAD::GENOVAThu Jan 16 1997 08:3117
5085.38LEXSS1::GINGERRon GingerThu Jan 16 1997 08:377
5085.39What's the next "improvement" DIGITAL is going to give me?SUBSYS::WOJDAKThu Jan 16 1997 08:4511
5085.40fool me once;your faultWCCLUB::TERRITOThu Jan 16 1997 08:547
5085.41LEXSS1::GINGERRon GingerThu Jan 16 1997 10:0111
5085.42NPSS::GLASERSteve Glaser DTN 226-7212 LKG1-2/W6 (G17)Thu Jan 16 1997 10:2420
5085.43Cann't retire before 65 to get meds?STAR::PARKETrue Engineers Combat ObfuscationThu Jan 16 1997 10:245
5085.44Same ole....GIAMEM::HOVEYThu Jan 16 1997 10:366
5085.45SCASS1::STAHLIPretentious?.....MOI!!??Thu Jan 16 1997 10:5211
5085.46LJSRV1::ENGBROCKThu Jan 16 1997 11:4119
5085.47Minor Correction to .462075::KIMBALLKeith Kimball 381-0573Thu Jan 16 1997 11:5411
5085.48Agree with .41IROCZ::PARTRIDGEThu Jan 16 1997 12:0813
5085.49Encourages early retirementSOLVIT::CARLTONThu Jan 16 1997 12:2610
5085.50WMOIS::GIROUARD_CThu Jan 16 1997 12:273
5085.51RTL::DAHLThu Jan 16 1997 13:0210
5085.52What am I missing here?PTHRED::SHARRISFri Jan 17 1997 09:0524
5085.53MAIL2::RICCIARDIBe a graceful Parvenu...Fri Jan 17 1997 12:145
5085.54employees on LTD?WRKSYS::SCHUMANNSun Jan 19 1997 12:515
5085.55breakup retirement benefitsGLRMAI::MCMILLANFri May 30 1997 12:3830

With all the recent talk about breaking up and selling DIGITAL in pieces, 
I was wondering if someone could give some insight into what might happen 
to retirement benefits. Maybe if someone knows what happened in the pieces 
that have already been sold-off they maybe able to give some ideas although 
I know there is no guarantee the next sell-off would be the same.

I assume retirement money would be simply turned-over to the employee to
do as they wish? (Hopefully converted to a 401K or appropriate plan.)

But what about medical benefits? Do other companies have plan like ours of
10yrs after age 45 to qualify? would we be starting as new employees 
or would we be given credit for existing years of service (e.g. if I 
am 50 and I've been here 5 yrs I have 5 more years to go - or is it 
that I need 10 more years). Or if they have another type plan, would we
receive credit for years already worked or would we be new employees?

Also what happens to people who have already retired from DIGITAL?
Are their benefits guaranteed/funded in some way or if the company
is broken up, are they on there own? (this break-up could happen in the
future when I am in the "retired situation" and I like to know what 
might happen so I can plan appropriately.)

Some of this information may help us decide if we should vote our shares
at the next annual meeting. I would hate to see some proposal pass by a 
few votes that might adversely affect us "near retirement" people.

Thanks
George Mc
5085.56axel.zko.dec.com::FOLEYRebel without a ClueFri May 30 1997 12:4714

	You really LIKE living on speculation and getting all worked
	up about something that is casually bantered about? You should
	work on Wall St! :)

	Unless or until something happens, it would be all speculation
	by a bunch of armchair quarterbacks. Vote with your heart and
	your head at the next stockholders meeting, but don't vote 
	based on someone like me or anyone else in this notesfile 
	saying life will be grand with/without a breakup. You'd have
	more fun at the track.

							mike
5085.57NQOS01::lexser22.lex.dec.com::GingerRon Ginger, Unix ConsultantFri May 30 1997 15:3015
Your retirement money has already been moved into an independent 
fund, and you have the right to take it with you when you leave DEC. 

I ASSUME this means if the company is sold we still have this right. 
I really hope it is true. 

The medical plan is totally up to the new owners. Same with past 
retirees- their benefit is at the whim of management. Note this is 
true even if the current Digital stays around- if some bean counter 
shows Palmer how much can be saved by stopping retiree medical 
benfits, they oculd be gone tomorrow. There is no law they must be 
retained. The company would look like a real poor place to work, and 
would probably get some bad press for it, but nothning prevents it.

Dont put alot of faith in the medical benefit at retirement.
5085.58NETCAD::MORRISONBob M. LKG2-A/R5 226-7570Wed Jun 04 1997 12:287
  To answer one question, with all or most of the spinoffs that have occurred
so far, employees moving to the new company were able to take their seniority
with them.
  If Digital breaks up into pieces, such that Digital ceases to exist as a
company, I have no idea what will happen to medical benefits for people who
retired before the breakup. But as the last reply says, these benefits can
be canceled at any time, whether Digital breaks up or not.
5085.59PADC::KOLLINGKarenWed Jun 04 1997 13:528
    Re: To answer one question, with all or most of the spinoffs that have
    occurred so far, employees moving to the new company were able to take
    their  seniority with them.
    
    What happened to their pensions, do you know?  Are they still
    administered by Dec?  Did thy have the option of rolling out their
    lump sums into an outside IRA at spinoff time?  Etc.?
    
5085.60RMULAC.DVO.DEC.COM::S_WATTUMScott Wattum - FTAM/VT/OSAK Engineering (303) 840-2986Wed Jun 04 1997 16:3514
>    What happened to their pensions, do you know?  

Those that transitioned to the cash pension plan most likely had the option of
leaving the pension under the control of BE/Digital or taking it with them.  Not
being overly impressed with BE's ability to manage things (they sent me my 401K
money 3 times, not realizing it until I pointed it out), I took my pension with
me.

However, I was lead to believe that my control over my pension money was
something that was negotiated in the contract with EDS, as EDS wanted the
pension money transfered directly into their pension plan.  So, other
outsourcing situations may be different.

--Scott