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4642.1 | Go to the TOP | ICS::TOOMEY | | Wed Jun 05 1996 11:39 | 11 |
|
Seems like you have a good case. Don't screw around with escalating
it to your management, they'll just blow you off. After all they put
you in thsi position in the first place. Take your original
note, and e-mail it to Palmer, and copy your management. This is your
only path.
Good luck,
Bob
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4642.2 | Think it through... | MPOS01::BJAMES | I feel the need, the need for SPEED | Wed Jun 05 1996 12:52 | 12 |
| Or Dick Fishburn, he's the worldwide V.P. of Personnel. He HAS to hear
your case per the open door policy. Just remember if you open door it,
and you have in my opinion every reason to do so, than there is no
going back. You may want to think through your strategy a bit 'cause
if you go to BP and he declines, than your only recourse is to go up to
the Board of Directors, which is highly unlikely. Pick a place in your
organization where you know you can start, be crystal clear in your
approach, get all your paperwork together in a SAFE place and when you
launch, remember you can't go back to the pad.
Good luck
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4642.3 | Ferrales, not Fishburn | GVA05::DAVIS | | Wed Jun 05 1996 13:33 | 1 |
| The last time I looked, Fishburn was CIO. The head of HR is Sid Ferrales.
|
4642.4 | good luck, hope you keep your job | ESSC::KMANNERINGS | | Wed Jun 05 1996 15:16 | 1 |
| I agree with the base note, it certainly does seem unfair
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4642.5 | a little spit and polish, first | SUBSYS::BERMAN | | Wed Jun 05 1996 15:17 | 13 |
| May I kindly suggest that, if you decide to elevate the issue
and forward your memo, you run a spell-check and grammar-check
on it first.
As the saying goes, you only have one chance to make a first
impression. Your career here rests on making the right impression.
You must present yourself in a professional manner; yes, you have
a legitimate issue and it deserves to be addressed. That memo will
be the first thing Palmer or a VP sees, so it has to be
grammatically perfect. Don't give them any ammunition!!
good luck!
griz
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4642.6 | dis ain't a stokrume | NASEAM::READIO | A Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman Locks | Wed Jun 05 1996 16:47 | 11 |
| >
> May I kindly suggest that, if you decide to elevate the issue
> and forward your memo, you run a spell-check and grammar-check
> on it first.
>
Agreed! My wife is an executive secretary/office manager and she has
terminated employees who could not proof-read their employer's white papers.
Someone in a senior admin position should have a command of the English
language if that person wishes to compete.
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4642.7 | I've seen worse from engineers | NETCAD::PERARO | | Wed Jun 05 1996 17:09 | 10 |
|
RE: The last few
Maybe the basenoter was more concerned with trying to save her job
before the end of the week, instead of worrying about if she
spelled something correctly in her basenote, which was probably written
while under a great deal of stress.
Mary
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4642.8 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | MindSurf the World w/ AltaVista! | Thu Jun 06 1996 00:44 | 3 |
| Observation: By posting the matter for discussion, the basenoter has
*already* launched and is away from the pad.
|
4642.9 | what IS that smell? | SCASS1::WILSONM | | Thu Jun 06 1996 01:30 | 2 |
| That is not the smell of rocket fuel....it is the smell of burned
bridges.
|
4642.10 | | BIGQ::SILVA | | Thu Jun 06 1996 08:24 | 6 |
| | <<< Note 4642.8 by DRDAN::KALIKOW "MindSurf the World w/ AltaVista!" >>>
| By posting the matter for discussion, the basenoter has *already* launched
| and is away from the pad.
... and on their way to the lawyers office...
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4642.11 | The smell has changed | ICS::TOOMEY | | Thu Jun 06 1996 10:17 | 10 |
|
This is for .9 reply.
Your response takes on the smell of someone that is overconfident that
their job will never go away. Think again. Nobody's job is safe.
Looks what's happened at the PCBU this week. HMMMM, shall we shoot for
say #99 in the PC business vs. #5. Ask Bernard Auer !!!!!! Oh, you
can't, he was fired. Kill it.
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4642.12 | Thank you | PCBUOA::LPIERCE | The Truth is Out There | Thu Jun 06 1996 11:04 | 14 |
|
Thank you all for your support. You shared your own personal stories
with me and they really helped in alot of ways. Thank you for taking
the time and giveing some super advice.
I wish I could thank you all one-by-one but it would take longer then
Friday at 5:00pm :-)
I'm still fighting, and I also had a very good interview - everything
is in fates hands now.
Thank you all!
Louisa
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4642.13 | | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Every knee shall bow | Thu Jun 06 1996 11:08 | 12 |
|
re .11
What happened in the PCBU this week?
Jim
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4642.15 | more info please .... | TROOA::MSCHNEIDER | Digital has it NOW ... Again! | Thu Jun 06 1996 11:54 | 3 |
| re: .14
Can you elaborate on "NT products are now in the SBU"?
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4642.16 | | HDLITE::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, SPE MRO | Thu Jun 06 1996 12:59 | 4 |
| My mistake, I retract the statement. I probably misunderstood the
memo, and it's marked confidential anyways.
Mark
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4642.17 | | N2DEEP::SHALLOW | Subtract L, invert W | Thu Jun 06 1996 14:25 | 12 |
| re: .13
Jim, PCBU has been TFSO'ing. 33% here in the western region.
Regarding the base noters concerns, I thought it was standard rule of
thumb temps got the push before badges? No offence to any temps, as
that's how I got my foot in the door, but regardless of connections in
"high" places, they should go first.
By the way, are there any temp VP's? ;-)
Bob
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4642.18 | just a thought | DV780::LANGFELDT | Coloradical | Thu Jun 06 1996 14:31 | 4 |
|
Might it be that the corporation doesn't have to pay benefits
to temps and contractors?
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4642.19 | Temps do stay. | ODIXIE::DWYERR | | Thu Jun 06 1996 16:35 | 4 |
| re .17
I have seen many Digital folks go and temps (contractors) stay within
the consulting ranks.
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4642.20 | TFSO 39? | IMTDEV::WEBER | | Thu Jun 06 1996 19:40 | 3 |
| Speaking of TFSO.. Can someone please tell me what the current
TFSO package includes?
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4642.21 | | TENNIS::KAM | Kam WWSE 714/261.4133 DTN/535.4133 IVO | Thu Jun 06 1996 21:05 | 8 |
| Knock knock anyone home??? Yesterday and today I needed to get some
information from some of the local employees and I was informed that
they have been layed-off last week. It's been pretty quiet except for
the individuals being transferred to CA. Anyone know what's happening?
Will anyone be around to provide assistance?
Regards,
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4642.22 | | TOOK::MINTZ | Erik Mintz, dtn 227-3604 | Thu Jun 06 1996 23:13 | 6 |
| > the individuals being transferred to CA. Anyone know what's happening?
> Will anyone be around to provide assistance?
The folks transferred to CA have already gone (last friday).
In what area were you looking for assistance?
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4642.23 | TEMPORARY VP'S ??? BE REAL | BIS1::GEERAERTS | | Fri Jun 07 1996 02:51 | 14 |
| re: .17
What did you say ? Temporary VP's ????????
Hey, I've just updated my VP summary list, don't screw it up.
BTW, we now have a bunch of 215 VP's, and I'm finding some more all the
time. Has somebody an average cost for one VP ?
What did BP suggested for Q4 ? To cut costs ? Well I have a suggestion
.......
Regards,
Frans
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4642.24 | And no company paid health care | BOXORN::HAYS | Some things are worth dying for | Fri Jun 07 1996 08:19 | 6 |
| > what the current TFSO package includes?
I am hearing that it's three weeks pay.
Phil
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4642.25 | | ACISS2::LENNIG | Dave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYO | Fri Jun 07 1996 08:42 | 4 |
| re: health care
Yeah, the recent notice about DEC dropping the medical/dental
31 day grace period after June 16th struck me as "interesting".
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4642.26 | | ICS::CROUCH | Subterranean Dharma Bum | Fri Jun 07 1996 08:50 | 11 |
| re: .23
215 VP's now, hmmm, maybe we could sell them all off in one whack.
A package deal of sorts. Since we seem to be having a slow tedious
going out of business sale this could be a way to continue to make
some money before the lights are turned off.
Tongue is firmly in cheek. 8-)
Jim C.
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4642.27 | The perfect Java applet! | HERON::KAISER | | Fri Jun 07 1996 10:36 | 8 |
| A rolling display of VPs per employee: the perfect Java application.
... now 288 employees per VP ... now 285 employees per VP ...
The last time I thought to calculate the figure, it was 340. A year before
that, 440 (before selling the database business to Oracle).
___Pete
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4642.28 | what ??? | MKOTS3::FLATHERS | | Fri Jun 07 1996 11:23 | 5 |
|
You can't possibly be serious. 3 weeks pay + NO health care grace
period !!!! ???
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4642.29 | The current TFSO Package --The Current TFSO Package - | ICS::TOOMEY | | Fri Jun 07 1996 11:32 | 17 |
|
Reply to .20
I checked with the TFSO office in May. The TFSO Office is at MSO.
4 weeks mandated by the state + 8 weeks from Digital + your vacation
pay.
12 weeks + your vacation weeks = how long you get paid after you
exit. I also believe that there may be 1 more week. This is the
week held back when you first started at Digital.
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4642.30 | | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | See http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/ | Fri Jun 07 1996 11:36 | 10 |
| But the change in Health Care payments is entirely accurate.
Digital now forces you to buy COBRA coverage approximately
one month sooner than you would have prior to this latest
announcement. This represents a very real diminution in the
TFSO package.
Just one more small example of how much Digital cares about us.
Atlant
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4642.31 | | BOXORN::HAYS | Some things are worth dying for | Fri Jun 07 1996 11:51 | 11 |
| RE: 4642.29 by ICS::TOOMEY
> I checked with the TFSO office in May.
Is there a current official statement on VTX or on the internal Web?
If true, 12 weeks would rather reduce the rate of resume printing...
There are a lot of people around here in a panic/funk state right now.
Phil
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4642.32 | Medical Benefits - | ICS::TOOMEY | | Fri Jun 07 1996 11:55 | 9 |
|
For reply .28
A friend of mine that got whacked this week. FULL medical continues
through the mandate 4 weeks (by the state) and the duration of the TFSO
(8 weeks for people with between 15 - 20 years). The vacation $$ are
paid to the TFSO'er as one separate check.
|
4642.33 | Coverage from carrier | PHHSS1::BCAVALIERE | | Fri Jun 07 1996 11:59 | 5 |
| My healthcare (U.S. Healthcare) provides a 'parachute' plan which
provides a continuance of coverage for 30 days after your release
date, provided you've been employeed/had coverage with them for
at least one year. Maybe other carriers have this now too.
I'm not sure of the exact details.
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4642.34 | | ACISS2::LENNIG | Dave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYO | Fri Jun 07 1996 12:03 | 42 |
| I'm not sure if this will apply to TFSO, but as of June 16th...
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
Date: 28-May-1996 07:43am EST
From: U S Benefits
USBENFITS@A1@SALES@AKO
Dept: U.S. Personnel
Tel No:
TO: See Below
Subject: Change in Medical and Dental Coverage Continuation
Starting June 16, 1996, Digital is changing its policy for continuing
medical and dental benefits when:
o You terminate employment and are not eligible for coverage as a
Digital retiree
o You change to an ineligible employment status, or
o Your covered spouse or dependent becomes ineligible for coverage.
In the past, coverage was continued automatically for 31 days. As of
June 16, coverage will end at midnight on the date any of these events
occur.
We're making this change because the 31-day coverage extension
overlaps with your ability to continue coverage for up to 18 or 36
months through COBRA. As long as you apply for COBRA on a timely
basis, you and your family can be covered effective back to the date
coverage ended. For more information about COBRA, please see Your
Benefits Book.
Distribution:
This message was delivered to you utilizing the Readers Choice delivery
services. You received this message because you are a U.S. Employee. If you
have questions regarding this message, please contact the Benefits Express
1-800-890-3100.
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4642.35 | Clarification - | ICS::TOOMEY | | Fri Jun 07 1996 12:12 | 14 |
|
Response to .34
The .34 e-mail is CORRECT.
However, don't get confused by this e-mail.
The policy in the .34 e-mail happens only after your state mandated (4
weeks) and the Digital TFSO weeks expire. Your current Medical is in
effect throughout this timeframe. The severance pay clock starts the
first Monday after your last Friday at Digital.
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4642.36 | "TFSO" at our competitors | DECWET::APPELLOF | Kathy Appellof - dtn 548-8773 | Fri Jun 07 1996 13:46 | 30 |
| I don't usually participate in conferences, but what the heck...
I left Digital voluntarily in 1994 after 14+ years with the company.
"Company-X" offered me a deal too good to be true. About 10 months
after being with "Company-X" I was told that my job was being moved
to another location. Even though I was very bitter at the time I
still feel that their layoff package was extremely fair, especially
since I hadn't been with the company that long. It was also a learning
experience from a legal standpoint.
I was first given a minimum of 12 weeks of pay. Add to that an additional
1 week because of the time I was with the company. From a legal
standpoint I learned that because I was in a protected age group (over 40)
as defined by the federal gov't they couldn't ask me to sign a
statement that I wouldn't sue for discrimination without extra
compensation. To "Company-X" that meant offering me an additional
2 weeks of pay. My medical and dental insurance was provided for 30 days.
In my state I could immediately start unemployment insurance and I
qualified for 40+ weeks. I felt that I could easily take my time looking
for the right job and not panic for approximately 6 months.
Regarding the conversion to COBRA, and I'm sure it's much the same with
Digital's COBRA plan. When I checked into my cost for COBRA for family
(family=me and my husband) it was $450/month. Absurd to say the
least. Thankfully my husband was at Digital and took advantage of
signing us up for the local HMO.
The good news was that I was only unemployed for a couple of months.
And I'm happy to report that I was rehired at Digital and am very happy
with what I'm doing.
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4642.37 | | BOXORN::HAYS | Some things are worth dying for | Fri Jun 07 1996 14:03 | 21 |
| RE: 4642.35 by ICS::TOOMEY
> However, don't get confused by this e-mail.
I'm sure more than a few did. I'm one.
As for the current TFSO package, I'm guilty of listening to lunchroom and
hallway conversations. I did try to find the official word, but there is
nothing posted in VTX or on the Web that I could find. Hardcopy of last
year's policy isn't very comforting in the face of rumors of new policy. HR
aka Personal office is miles away. I guess I should have talked to my
management, but they seem to be spending a lot of time in meetings they
can't talk about and that seem to be giving them a lot of stress.
Why can't Digital post the current policy someplace on the net? All I can
find is references to a plan from the "Corporate Cross Organization
Transition Committee".
Phil
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4642.38 | TFSO then and now | ALFA2::ALFA2::HARRIS | | Fri Jun 07 1996 14:24 | 18 |
| Re .36:
Digital required (probably still requires) all TFSO subjects, no matter
what their age, to sign an agreement surrendering their right to sue
the company in order to receive the "financial support option." Until
1994 or 1995 the FSO was given as a lump sum, which should clearly
and legally identify it as nontaxable compensation for the required
signature. However, Digital, the Comm of Mass and the IRS insisted and
continue to insist that it was "salary continuation" and therefore
taxable. In addition, TFSOed employees were prevented from applying
for unemployment benefits until after the period supposedly represented
by the lump sum. A lawsuit to recover taxes withheld, brought by former
IBM employees who suffered the same fate, is still pending in the courts.
Digital now doles out the FSO weekly to solidify its claim that the
payments are in fact taxable salary.
M
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4642.39 | dead on my friend | ICS::TOOMEY | | Fri Jun 07 1996 14:31 | 4 |
|
ref: replyer .38
You are 100% correct.
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4642.40 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Fri Jun 07 1996 15:16 | 8 |
| Re: .38
I dimly recall that when my group was TFSOed a couple of years
ago in Calif, we were immediately eligible for unemployment benefits
(mod something like a one or two week waiting period) because the
state considered us unemployed even though Dec was handing out
the transitional checks.
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4642.41 | Unemployment varies by state | PLESIO::SOJDA | | Fri Jun 07 1996 16:37 | 13 |
| RE: .38 & .40
The interpretation of when unemployment insurance starts is up to the
state. When I was TFSO'd in 1993 in Vermont, the state umemployment
department told us directly that you could collect unemployment after
your vacation accrual was used up + a 1 week waiting period. The lump
sum payment did not matter -- you were still considered to be
unemployed after your vacation time.
This was sharply different to what was going on in Mass. at the same
time. I do not know if the fact that Digital now gives it out over a
period of weeks rather than a lump sum changes things.
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4642.42 | | LEXSS1::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Sun Jun 09 1996 16:21 | 7 |
| Several replies here have a line like " when I was TFSO's"
I thought TFSO meant you were gone. Does anyone have any idea how many
people were TFSO's (in the old days, with good benefits) and are now
back?
I assume most of these are back as contract?
|
4642.43 | | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (DTN 227-3978, TAY1) | Sun Jun 09 1996 17:45 | 4 |
| re Note 4642.42 by LEXSS1::GINGER:
Didn't Andy Warhol predict that in the future everybody will
have TFSO benefits for 15 minutes?
|
4642.44 | Process steps | PLESIO::SOJDA | | Mon Jun 10 1996 09:59 | 13 |
| RE: .42
TFSO means you are officially notified that your job is gone and unless
you find another internal job within the allotted time you are gone
too. In my case, I was picked up by another group so the TFSO was
reversed. However, I went through the whole process (except for the
final one) and got to see all of the signed paperwork (which I still
have).
Other people did leave the company via TFSO but were rehired later on.
Larry
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4642.45 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | Grandchildren of the Damned | Mon Jun 10 1996 11:08 | 7 |
|
Same for me ... I was "picked" but opted for a lateral move in
the same organization.
Some have been re-hired as contractors and some have been re-
hired as permanents.
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4642.46 | hard head not hard hearted | SCASS1::WILSONM | | Mon Jun 10 1996 12:18 | 7 |
| RE .11
Notification of TFSO doesn't mean the end of employment at dec, just
the end of your particular position. Many people have continued with
DEC...but not after they "burned their bridges". I might add that
working for Digital, even if it's 14 years, is a job not a life. That's
what my wife tells me anyway.
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4642.47 | Unretire? | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Mon Jun 10 1996 15:38 | 10 |
| >>> Notification of TFSO doesn't mean the end of employment at dec, just
>>> the end of your particular position.
Appearently, the same is true for some employees, who took "early
retirement" with all the geneous benefits and are now back working for
Digital.
-Paul
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4642.48 | sign and you're history | NASEAM::READIO | A Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman Locks | Mon Jun 10 1996 16:07 | 28 |
| >>> Notification of TFSO doesn't mean the end of employment at dec, just
>>> the end of your particular position.
once you sign your TFSO papers, you're gone (even though you're here for
the rest of the week) You usually get to sign on Monday and your last day
is Friday.
If you find another job between Monday and Friday, you'll need SLT approval
to the hiring manager just to get a job offer.
'twasn't always that way, though. Seems a marketing organization was
downsized back when TFSOs were corporate downsizing measures (today's are
organizational downsizings). ANOTHER marketing org picked up the folks who
were involuntarily downsized. A memo from David Landry (US Transition
Program Office) detailed the approval process that resulted from this
flagrant disregard of the corporate downsizing effort. The date on the
memo was in the late December 1993 timeframe.
Many of us that are still here after signing our TFSO papers were lucky
enough to have done so before the marketing fiasco and the resulting
restrictions on job offers.
Few organizations notified their staff beforehand that they were to be
signed off. A few let people know they were at risk and some people found
jobs before they had to sign out. Those that didn't find jobs before the
fateful Monday were history. Some are back as contractors and a couple
have actually been re-hired I've been told. I don't know any, though. A
lot of folks I worked beside are back as contractors.
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4642.50 | | ICS::SOBECKY | John Sobecky DTN 223-5557 | Tue Jun 11 1996 08:49 | 15 |
|
re .0
I truly feel badly that you are being TFSO'ed, especially when
someone else in your group would like to trade places.
But...and please don't take this personally..why do you think you
have a case regarding contractors? There is no union in Digital.
If Digital chose to TFSO *everyone* and replace them with temp
labor, they have every legal right to do it.
It may not be right, but it's true.
John
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4642.51 | 'Forced' to buy into COBRA? | ICS::SOBECKY | John Sobecky DTN 223-5557 | Tue Jun 11 1996 08:53 | 26 |
| <<< HUMANE::DISK$SCSI:[NOTES$LIBRARY]DIGITAL.NOTE;1 >>>
-< The Digital way of working >-
================================================================================
Note 4642.30 This TFSO seems unfair 30 of 49
ATLANT::SCHMIDT "See http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/" 10 lines 7-JUN-1996 10:36
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
But the change in Health Care payments is entirely accurate.
Digital now forces you to buy COBRA coverage approximately
^^^^^^
one month sooner than you would have prior to this latest
announcement. This represents a very real diminution in the
TFSO package.
Just one more small example of how much Digital cares about us.
Atlant
???????????????
Forces you? As in holding back money from your final paychecks?
Or do people still have choices they can make?
John
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4642.52 | What IS the legal position? | ESSC::KMANNERINGS | | Tue Jun 11 1996 09:13 | 23 |
| re .50
>If Digital chose to TFSO *everyone* and replace them with temp
>labor, they have every legal right to do it.
Is this statement true for the USA ??
Is there no legal protection against age discrimination ? I am not
suggesting that this is company policy, it is obviously not, but can
any employer in the US turn round and say to his employees: "Sorry guys
and gals, you are all over 52 and my statistics tell me you are more
likely to be off sick, slower to learn new tricks, more expensive than
graduates who have the latest technology and altogether a grumpy bunch.
The quickfix employment agency has a queue of replacements available.
So long its been good to know you?"
Would not an employer who pursued such a policy be dumping bad risks
onto the welfare system and abusing the system?
(BTW, I am nearly the oldest guy sitting in this office and I don't
think the stereotype above is correct or makes economic sense)
Kevin
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4642.53 | | LEXSS1::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Tue Jun 11 1996 09:39 | 12 |
| There are laws in the US about age discrimination, but in gneneral they
are weak and its very hard to prove you have been discriminated by age-
there are always many other factors to cloud the issue.
And yesterday our Supreme Court upheld a companies right to 'buy off'
age discrimination charges by extra payment. The case involved a big
company that offered 'early retirement' packages to reduce staff. To
get the special offer you had to sign away your right to sue, and for
that they added a bit to the payoff amount.
In fact, a company could do exactly as suggested, layoff every employee
and hire temps. Digital is well on its way to this.
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4642.54 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | As you wish | Tue Jun 11 1996 10:52 | 8 |
|
It boggles the mind to try and figure out how someone could sue
for age discrimination after receiving an "early retirement"
package.
I guess it would make more sense if it were forced, rather than
optional.
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4642.55 | you get told don't you? | ESSC::KMANNERINGS | | Tue Jun 11 1996 11:05 | 3 |
| well that is the point isn't it. It is clearly not optional. If it were
optional there would be no problem, indeed, it may be a good idea for
some people.
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4642.56 | re .54 the younger employees could sue for age discrimination though! | BEAVER::MCKEATING | | Tue Jun 11 1996 11:09 | 21 |
| RE "It boggles the mind to try and figure out how someone could sue
for age discrimination after receiving an "early retirement"
package."
It may not be the early retirers who sue but it could swing the other way
if you were a younger employee who was offered less money than someone
with the same qualifications and length of service.
In Digital Scotland at the moment there are 4 limits set for maximum
redundancy:-
less than 50 max 12months
50-55 max 15months
55 -63.5 max 18months
63.5-65 (...)
I would not be happy if I was 49 and qualified for 18months dosh but it was
capped at 12 and a team member was 50 and got 18. That's where age
descrimination could be a possible case.
Bob (who's 31 :-))
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4642.57 | Im baaack | PCBUOA::LPIERCE | The Truth is Out There | Tue Jun 11 1996 11:16 | 6 |
|
FWIW: I'm still at Digital, and I have a new and super job!
All your notes really did help alot, thanks once again.
Louisa
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4642.58 | happy end | ESSC::KMANNERINGS | | Wed Jun 12 1996 08:44 | 4 |
| Well done Louisa, and good luck with the new job. Isn't Digital a nice
company to work for?
Kevin
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4642.59 | | MKOTS3::FLATHERS | | Wed Jun 12 1996 18:06 | 6 |
| .53, I beg to differ..... the Age Discrimination Act of 1967
does in fact have teeth. Occasionally, I read articles in the papers
regarding this law being tested. In a nutshell, it protects workers
over 40.
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4642.60 | | BHAJEE::JAERVINEN | Ora, the Old Rural Amateur | Thu Jun 13 1996 05:15 | 11 |
| FWIW, there are plans to change the law here in Germany...
The current law doesn't explicitely talk about age discrimination, but
defines quite clearly the criteria to select employees eligible (or
rather, not eligible) for redundancy - age is a significant factor, in
addition to years of service etc.
The suggested new law would allow the employer to take the "balanced
personnel structure" into account when selecting people to be TFSOd -
we all knowwhat this means...
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4642.61 | | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | See http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/ | Fri Jun 14 1996 15:33 | 24 |
| John:
> ???????????????
>
> Forces you [to buy into COBRA]? As in holding back money
> from your final paychecks? Or do people still have choices
> they can make?
No, they don't force you in that sense. You can choose to:
o Buy coverage *OTHER THAN* the COBRA-required-to-be-provided plan,
o Instantly find another job that provides health care, or
o Go bareback, doing without health care coverage.
Regardless of how it's phrased, Digital is now not paying for one
month of health care that they used to pay for. It's just one more
niggling little cut in employee (ex-employee?) benefits taken by
our management in the continuing belief that they can do whatever
they damned-well please and we, the sheep, will never so much as
say "Bah!".
Atlant
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4642.62 | Just leave without telling anyone | MIASYS::GORNEAULT | Being politically correct is being mentally inept | Fri Jun 14 1996 16:58 | 12 |
| It appears that they don't want you to give a notice. If you give
notice to leave on Friday and start your job on Monday it means no
coverage over the weekend.
So I guess either give notice after you've started your new job, or
take vacation to overlap, or just leave and let them try to find you
:-).
It amazes me at the shallowness of the logic of these people.
Add this one to the bi-weekly pay and the ....
tony
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4642.63 | | AIAG::WEISSMAN | | Fri Jun 14 1996 17:38 | 7 |
| Actually it means that people will give notice to
terminate on a Monday and start their new job on
Tuesday so there's no lapse in coverage. This means
that Digital will end up generating an extra paycheck
for the person for one day's pay. So Digital will save
the cost of medical coverage for a month and incur the
admin. cost of an additional paycheck
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4642.64 | | TEXAS1::SOBECKY | It's complicated. | Sat Jun 15 1996 01:27 | 15 |
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Re .61 Atlant
I know what you mean, I know what you're saying.
They (Digital Management) don't give a damn about how their decisions
affect the people that have worked for the for years and years.
They can clear their conscience by saying, "Well, we gave them a choice
for health benefits".
I'm sorry if it seemed I was arguing with you.
John
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4642.65 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Mon Jun 17 1996 15:03 | 5 |
| I believe you can buy COBRA retroactively for a month or so.
If that's correct, at least the danger of being instantaneously
without coverage isn't there. Not that I think this is a swell
decision.
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4642.66 | Double Coverage? | USCTR1::ESULLIVAN | | Mon Jun 17 1996 15:37 | 7 |
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If this were possible (.65) and you started a new job, say, within a
week, so that you were now covered under your new job, would you be
reimbursed for the 3 weeks out of the month that you are covered under
the new job? If not, isn't that double coverage?
ems
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4642.67 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Mon Jun 17 1996 15:57 | 5 |
| Re: .65
I forget how the gory details of the reimbursement for partial
months work -- perhaps there isn't any.
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4642.68 | Nasty loophole alert | ROWLET::AINSLEY | DCU Board of Directors Candidate | Mon Jun 17 1996 23:15 | 4 |
| Just don't get into a car accident and go into a coma for 31 days or it
will be too late to retroactively apply for COBRA.
Bob
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4642.69 | COBRA is a waste | IMTDEV::WEBER | | Mon Aug 05 1996 16:21 | 4 |
| COBRA in most cases will cost you 4 to 5 times what you currently are
paying for medical coverage. Tell me who can afford COBRA that is out
of work and asked to pay that much more than when they had a job.
Check it out. COBRA is useless!
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4642.70 | | SUBSYS::MISTOVICH | | Mon Aug 05 1996 17:04 | 14 |
| COBRA still costs less than if you try to buy insurance on your own.
COBRA is intended to help those who would be unable to purchase insurance on
their own -- for example, if you had a "pre-existing condition" that insurance
companies use to deny insurance. I know of someone who is starting her 2nd year
of remission from cancer. She cannot purchase insurance until she has been
cancer-free for a specified number of years.
The problem with COBRA is that 18 months is not long enough to protect her (and
presumably many others). Therefore, she will have to be uninsured for some
number of years and stay healthy during that time. Or pick up the costs of
surgery, chemo, and/or radiology herself if the cancer recurs. Unless, of
course, the Massachusetts coverage for uninsured people doesn't run out (which
it may already have).
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4642.71 | | IROCZ::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570 | Thu Aug 22 1996 18:38 | 2 |
| Re -.1: Pres. Clinton just signed a law that will help people in this situ-
ation, but it doesn't go into effect until next July 1.
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4642.72 | I can't stand the suspense | CSC32::MORTON | Aliens, the snack food of CHAMPIONS! | Thu Aug 22 1996 19:40 | 6 |
| Re .71
Ok Bob, what did he sign. I've not been keeping up over the last few
months...
Jim Morton
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4642.73 | for those awkward in between times | DSNENG::KOLBE | Wicked Wench of the Web | Thu Aug 22 1996 20:16 | 8 |
| The latest bill is one for people who are either changing jobs or lose
their jobs. Insurance companies must allow them to be able to continue
their same coverage. Even if ther is a pre-existing condition. I don't
believe there is any price limit however.
They also can no longer cancel your policy if you make the mistake of
becoming ill. What a concept. Anyway, there is more but I wasn't paying
attention. It also has something about medical savings plans. liesl
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4642.74 | the Reuters "text bite" | R2ME2::DEVRIES | Mark DeVries | Fri Aug 23 1996 11:12 | 22 |
| Used without permission and with the political interjections removed,
here is the story from Yahoo! Headlines:
Wednesday August 21 3:40 PM EDT
Clinton Signs Modest Health Reform Law
WASHINGTON (Reuter) - President Clinton, opting for modest health care
changes after failing to achieve sweeping reforms, Wednesday signed a
bill making it easier for workers to take their health insurance with
them when they change jobs.
The bill also allows a pilot program for 750,000 so-called Medical
Savings Accounts to replace conventional health insurance policies for
employees of small companies or self-employed people. In addition,
it gives the self-employed a bigger tax break on health coverage they
buy for themselves.
[In other words, pretty much what "Wasn't Paying Attention" said. :-) ]
-Mark
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4642.75 | Layoff waivers being investigated | ASABET::SILVERBERG | My Other O/S is UNIX | Fri Aug 23 1996 15:10 | 15 |
| Story in the 8/13 edition of the Boston Globe on how the Mass AG is
expanding their investigation of companies forcing layed-off
employees to sign away their right to sue or testify at proceedings
regarding their layoffs if they want their severance. Bull is the
first company being investigated.
Details can be found at Boston Globe Archives
at http://www.boston.com/globe/archives/
or more direct at
http://vutextgty.infi.net/global/cgi-bin/boston/slwebcli_get.pl?DBLLIST=
bg96&DOCNUM=30749
Mark
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4642.76 | Correct Globe archive URL | DECCXX::AMARTIN | Alan H. Martin | Mon Aug 26 1996 14:44 | 11 |
| Re .75:
> or more direct at
> http://vutextgty.infi.net/global/cgi-bin/boston/slwebcli_get.pl?DBLLIST=
> bg96&DOCNUM=30749
Spelled correctly, that's:
http://vutextgty.infi.net/global/cgi-bin/boston/slwebcli_get.pl?DBLIST=bg96&DOCN
UM=30749
/AHM
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