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3609.1 | As a way to give demonstration | NWD002::PAULL_EL | | Wed Jan 04 1995 17:15 | 6 |
| I know of one VAR that would like to have Alpha Notebook's running OSF/1
so their sales force can demonstrate their software. Please add this to
your list of reasons for a Alpha Notebook.
E.P.
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3609.2 | Another vote for yes | DECLNE::PETERSON | It's a Cluster, but not as we know it | Wed Jan 04 1995 17:27 | 4 |
| I have had serveral VAR's call into the DEC-SALE hotline
asking when this product would be available.
Interest in a portable with full funtion operating system.
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3609.3 | | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Wed Jan 04 1995 17:31 | 6 |
| If it was canned for good, which presumes that it wasn't going to
make any money, I think they made the right decision. When and
if Alpha takes off, suitable road-warrior apps (fax, presentation,
Notes client, speadsheet,...) appear, and a product can be made
with good price/performance relative to other notebooks, then
reevaluate the decision. .02 kb
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3609.4 | It Would Make Money! | ODIXIE::GARAVANO | | Wed Jan 04 1995 17:50 | 14 |
| .3
It was not canned because it was not going to make money - the sales
force only has to sell 2500 units - the federal region has taken care
of that number -
These are the facts: Current Market: 25,000 units/per year. IBM and SUN
can't keep up with demand at 15K per unit - that equates to a 4 BILLION
dollar market. We have a product - done - with better price/performance
then IBM or Sun. This is NOT a pc notebook - this is a PORTABLE
Workstation - and the customer base is willing to pay the price.
FYI:
Some additional opportunities - portable repair environments for the
telecommunications industry - portable warehousing units for UPS and
Federal express - the list goes on -
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3609.5 | | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Wed Jan 04 1995 18:24 | 12 |
| I suppose you can try and not admit that a PC notebook competes
with an Alpha notebook "workstation", but Pesatori, in a 7/25/94
interview shortly after being named as head of the Systems
Business Unit, understands reality:
"We're not going to try to develop Alpha products that compete
with Contura notebooks. That's rediculous. Alpha will compete
with Intel-compatible processors on the high end of the desktop
space and in the server space."
Let's show we can succeed in the markets where Alpha is supposed
to succeed before going off with esoteric products. kb
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3609.6 | Who Will Make Them | PAKORA::JTRAYNOR | | Wed Jan 04 1995 18:51 | 6 |
| As an aside from someone who works at SQF which shortly (it seems) is
going to to be sold to Motorolo who is going to make all these
alpha chips.
Have my doubts that second sources are lining up to make these devices
but I could be wrong.Hmm!
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3609.7 | RE: .3/.5 | gemgrp.zko.dec.com::GLOSSOP | Low volume == Endangered species | Wed Jan 04 1995 21:40 | 15 |
| As long as we "hold back" and refuse to *allow* people to buy Alpha
notebooks *that want them*, we are only going to inhibit *long term*
acceptance of Alpha. If Digital can't justify doing this for whatever
reasons, it should make certain that one of the other vendors selling
Alpha systems can provide for customers that want them. We seem to be
doing a pretty good job of setting prices and building (or not) products
for Alpha that may lead to a successful medium term (but not long term)
market niche, at the expense of any significant long-term gains
in market share areas that matter.
We are trying to do two different things - make *short term* profit
on system sales, and have *long term* acceptance of the Alpha architecture.
Given our financial situation, we've had a strong bias toward the former,
frequently, it would seem, at the expense of the latter. This isn't
1978 when we have a dominant position to build on...
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3609.8 | | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS UK - IT User Group of the Year '94 | Thu Jan 05 1995 04:15 | 11 |
| I've received two queries about the availability of Alpha portables.
One from the University College London (UCL), asking when it will be
available, no idea of the end use. This was several mouths ago.
The other from a marketing consultant, who's client has a mapping
application for yachting and is not happy with his current Pentium notebooks
(due to overheating and performance problems). This was a couple of weeks
ago.
Dave.
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3609.9 | Forget it | ANNECY::HOTCHKISS | | Thu Jan 05 1995 05:20 | 12 |
| I would love to have an Alpha notebook but let's be serious folks.This
is a marketing power issue-we do not have the clout or focus to make
it.We need volume to be in this game and there are very few
applications which you can't run on a Pentium machine.I repeat-I would
love to see an Alpha notebook just like I would like to see a full
range of Alpha PCs and Alpha servers-all scaleable with PCI from
notebook to mainframe.BUT..notice that we don't have Alpha PCs.Notice
that Unix type support is usually done by putting Linux on a
portable.Notice that we are failing miserably to make Alpha design-ins
on a scale to justify having it.Notice that a portable alone will not
change all of this either
My 2c
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3609.10 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Thu Jan 05 1995 06:43 | 9 |
| Though the arguments on both sides that have been presented thus far
have been so strong that I (fwiw) haven't been convinced either way, I
would offer this observation in favor of the availability of an Alpha
portable: Bob Palmer made quite the splash at Unix World back in '93 I
believe, showing XWindows Mosaic running on one -- and this was back
when the Mosaic and W3 wave was just beginning to hit the streets.
FWIW.
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3609.11 | ITs a NEW MARKET!!! | ODIXIE::GARAVANO | | Thu Jan 05 1995 09:11 | 7 |
| To the issue of who will make it - Tadpole already has
To the issue of no Alpha"PC" - that's what the AXP 150 is to my customers
To the issue of competing with notebooks - this is not a competing
product - it a complimentary one - it is a WHOLE NEW Market -
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3609.12 | Just picking a nit | CAPNET::PJOHNSON | aut disce, aut discede | Thu Jan 05 1995 09:19 | 3 |
| re: Note 3609.11 by ODIXIE::GARAVANO, "...it a complimentary one..."
^
s/b complementary
|
3609.13 | Onsite Customer Training... | FROM::FERJULIAN | PK03-1/R11 DTN:223-4887 | Thu Jan 05 1995 09:24 | 14 |
| A consulting group based in Massachusetts does onsite customer training
for Digital's Pathworks product. I have spoken to them and they are
aware of the Alpha laptop. They were excited about the possibility of
loading up a unit and taking it to a customer's facility to do the
training. This type of portability would make the preparation for each
course onsite almost nill. They were excited and understood that the
price might be high for the unit but felt the reduced time to configure
a customer's system onsite to do the training would still put them
ahead.
I think this type of user makes a perfect candidate for your product. I
suspect there are at least 2500 other similar cases.
-Bruce-
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3609.14 | | TLE::REAGAN | All of this chaos makes perfect sense | Thu Jan 05 1995 09:35 | 22 |
| While I personally would like to see an Alpha notebook, I doubt
they'd sell in high enough volume to make real money. Sure we'd
sell some for portable demos, etc. but look at the real users of
laptops today:
On a recent plane flight from SF to Boston, I noticed that over
50% of the plane's passengers had laptops open. Being the nosey
person that I am, I snooped at their screens as I walked back from the
restroom in the rear. About 50% we're running games, the rest we're
running word-processors and spreadsheets (ie, writing trip reports,
entering data into forms, etc.)
Maybe its a chicken-and-egg, but nobody was using anything that needed
the power of an Alpha or a non-Windows/non-Mac system.
Howmany people do you know that want to run dbx on a 747? How many
people want to do C++ compiles? OSF/1 and OpenVMS aren't "end-user"
systems (we aren't selling them for home-use). Most of the laptop
applications are home-use applications (albeit they are used by
professionals in their day to day jobs).
-John
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3609.15 | | HDLITE::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, AXP-developer support | Thu Jan 05 1995 10:11 | 12 |
| "nobody was using anything that needed the power of an Alpha or a
non-Windows/non-Mac system."
Not now, but they will. After watching people play Doom at a party
last weekend, I can easily imagine a small group of businessmen linking
up on the Shuttle...
I believe it's the applications that lead the way. Consumers don't
care about operating systems until they pick up the shrinkwrapped
package.
Mark
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3609.16 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Thu Jan 05 1995 10:13 | 7 |
| Project yourself ~5 years into the future... Next-generation airplane,
execs using next-generation software... requiring more sophisticated
UI's for their games or whatnot... requiring far more local dynamic
storage and memory than current laptops playing current-generation
games... who will claim that market? Who will simplify the OSs and
bring what apps to market on what platform? ...
|
3609.17 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Thu Jan 05 1995 10:13 | 2 |
| Wow, major Notes collision! :-) :-)
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3609.18 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Thu Jan 05 1995 10:16 | 11 |
| OTOH, I can see a minor nitlet involved with a bunch of businessmen
linked up to play spacewar, generation One Million on the shuttle...
"Yikes, CoPilot Murphy, what in BLAZES has taken over the controls?
Why are we dumping fuel? Why are we taking evasive action when MY
instruments tell me there's nobody around for 500 miles? OmiGOD, it's
the hackers in the cabin -- they've mislinked into the autopilot...
we're all gonna die..."
:-)
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3609.19 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Jan 05 1995 10:53 | 14 |
| The customers who want this product don't want it for word processing,
spreadsheets or games, though they may use those. They want a portable
version of the system they use in the office and, in many cases, of their
clients' systems. Consider the solutions provider who can go to a customer
site, hook up their laptop (running VMS or OSF/1) to the customer system
and do on-site reconfiguration and software modification without requiring
that each customer buy the expensive development tools. Consider the
applications developer who wants to demo their product at a customer site.
I am sure we can easily sell 5000 of these, but even if we don't, it is
important to have the product available to reinforce the viability and
range of the Alpha architecture.
Steve
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3609.20 | | WLDBIL::KILGORE | Survive outsourcing? We'll manage... | Thu Jan 05 1995 10:57 | 17 |
|
Re .18:
Of course, if they were hacking with Pentiums, the autopilot would be
trying to land on runway 32.119475... :-)
-----
On a more serious note, is this company not yet tired of
underestimating what customers will want to do with their "toys"?
And why the *blazes* would we demo something at Comdex if we didn't
intend to sell it??
We've already bet our future on Alpha -- now is not the time to hold
back.
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3609.21 | Subtle Error or Subtle Truth? | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Thu Jan 05 1995 11:43 | 6 |
| CAPNET::PJOHNSON "aut disce, aut discede" 3 lines 5-JAN-1995 09:19
-< Just picking a nit >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
re: Note 3609.11 by ODIXIE::GARAVANO, "...it a complimentary one..."
^
s/b complementary
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3609.22 | | KLAP::porter | keep reading and no-one gets hurt! | Thu Jan 05 1995 12:03 | 14 |
| > re: Note 3609.11 by ODIXIE::GARAVANO, "...it a complimentary one..."
> ^
> s/b complementary
No, you misunderstand. It has software which uses the sound chip in
the system to say nice things about the user.
"Hey, that's a really nice document you just created!".
"You're typing well today."
etc...
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3609.23 | Methinks dumb is still rampant... | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Thu Jan 05 1995 12:03 | 22 |
|
This appears (management decision of no Alpha notebook) to be
another Digital non-understanding of what is really happening in
the marketplace today.
Technical users - engineers, system managers, software developers,
etc. - all WANT a high-powered, UNIX-based, 1GB storage, 128MG memory
capability (minumums here, folks) notebook. This machine should be
"Internet" ready at birth.
Estimated market is very large if priced right (under $10K loaded)
with probably 10,000 units first six months easy. Have two VARs in my
little territory who would go nuts selling this machine after they
purchase internal use machines of 20-50 each.
A notebook ALPHA would also go a long way in helping us secure new
resellers for OSF/1 and WIN NT ports. If Digital blows this one off,
we are really too truly stupid to survive (with Alpha) over the long
haul.
If this is a "political" decision (PCBU vs. Alpha Systems BU) then
all bureaucratics involved should be shot at dawn tomorrow.
It is time we got smart, people, and that is being first to the
market, not dead-assed last.
the Greyhawk
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3609.24 | Greyhawk's "little" area is the town of Chicago... | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Thu Jan 05 1995 12:39 | 14 |
| but I agree nonetheless, this could be a winner. Your caveat -- under $10K
loaded -- is important, however, and it is fair to ask how many units would
need to be sold for the AlphaNote to be profitable.
And loaded with what? What was included in the box that BP demonstrated
at Comdex? What will the market require? Internet ready, goes without
saying, Mosaic included. Sound? CD-ROM? How much investment is needed
to produce drivers and other SW for cards not implemented for bigger AXP
systems (under 3 different OSes)?
But I'll say this: get it under $10 fully equipped and I'll be tempted
to buy one myself.
Steve
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3609.25 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Jan 05 1995 12:54 | 3 |
| Hey - get it under $10 and I'll buy a dozen of them!
Steve
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3609.26 | Maybe too fanciful, but, hey... | SWAM2::BARNETTE_NE | Nuclear Physics for Dummies | Thu Jan 05 1995 13:00 | 25 |
|
> Project yourself ~5 years into the future... Next-generation airplane,
> execs using next-generation software... requiring more sophisticated
> UI's for their games or whatnot... requiring far more local dynamic
> storage and memory than current laptops playing current-generation
> games... who will claim that market? Who will simplify the OSs and
> bring what apps to market on what platform? ...
Maybe even LAN drops at each seat, along with the movie headphones
and music... Satellite links to the Internet (can you do that from
a moving plane?)... Workgroup computing, allowing you and your
business partner (6 rows back) to review and update a proposal...
On-board software and resources - need to run AutoCAD for a few
hours, on your way back from a trans-Atlantic architecture consulting
trip?
"Attention ladies and gentlemen, the captain has turned off the
seat-belt sign. You may now unbuckle, stretch out, plug in your
notebook computers into our on-board net. For those of you
travelling in groups, please feel free to boot up your portable
Windows-NT Clusters. We have a fiber-optic backbone running
throughout the plane, so there's plenty of bandwidth..."
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3609.27 | | HDLITE::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, AXP-developer support | Thu Jan 05 1995 13:04 | 1 |
| Lan drops?? Oh no, we're wireless!
|
3609.28 | | SWAM2::BARNETTE_NE | Nuclear Physics for Dummies | Thu Jan 05 1995 13:04 | 4 |
|
Picture yourself ~10 years into the future, when Intel and HP are doing
this with their 64-bit processor and we at Digital are kicking
ourselves again...
|
3609.29 | For want of a K the battle was lost | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Thu Jan 05 1995 13:11 | 11 |
| .25: Oops.
.26: Why not?
.27: LAN drops make it possible to isolate the airborne net from the
plane's communication system, avoiding the catastrophe described
in minus-a-bunch.
.28: Sigh.
Steve
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3609.30 | | ANGST::BECK | Paul Beck | Thu Jan 05 1995 13:13 | 6 |
| > <<< Note 3609.27 by HDLITE::SCHAFER "Mark Schafer, AXP-developer support" >>>
>
> Lan drops?? Oh no, we're wireless!
... since it's an airplace, hopefully the wireless technology is
infrared, not radio frequency ...
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3609.31 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Thu Jan 05 1995 13:57 | 13 |
|
As has been said before, the AlphaNote would not be competing with
a Pentium notebook. By introducing this product, you have the
opportunity to create a whole new market. Work it from that angle.
Make VARs your initial target. How many would it take to break
even on this? 5000 units? You should be able to sell that many
to VAR's and internal use only! And think of the marketing
presence this could lend!
To not do it would be short-sighted.
mike
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3609.32 | Well you had *one* already? | NEWVAX::MZARUDZKI | I AXPed it, and it is thinking... | Thu Jan 05 1995 14:08 | 9 |
|
I don't get it. You already have a proto-type. What is being lost
by making 5k more units. Or have you revisited the drawing board?
Seem to me that you have everything you need, material wise. All
you need is what? Some figures. People use to dream up figures a
short time ago. Seems that this laptop is a very low risk adventure.
Or what is it you are not telling us?
-Mike Z.
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3609.33 | Investment Has Been Made Already | ODIXIE::GARAVANO | | Thu Jan 05 1995 15:17 | 12 |
| .31 & .32
We have already made the investment - the hardware is done. The only
investment is in the power management enhancements for NT and OSF1. My
customer wants them sooo bad ( how bad ...) he has even agreed to keep
them plugged in to a UPS system until the software's done.
Now thats what I would call a "Whatever "IT" Takes" attitude. MY
challenge to Digital - MY CUSTOMER will do "IT" - we advertise that we
will do "IT" - - - Are we a corporation that keeps our word? - or
simply "mouths" them?
I
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3609.34 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Thu Jan 05 1995 15:26 | 15 |
| Well, someone broached what may well be the most plausible reason:
turf politics. If (and I have NO evidence other than verisimilitude,
so that's a BIG if) that is the root cause, I'll bid $10 for a spot on
the firing squad at sunrise tomorrow!!!
... and I'm betting I'll be outbid by many salespeople, whose
livelihoods will be downsized before mine, since they're goaled on
sales NOW or SOON, and I'm just a technology hunter-gatherer...
they'll be on the street before me.... if we blow it.
I'm getting convinced we should make this. Now of course I hasten to
add that I have neither the data nor the responsibility to act on it --
but hey this is DECnotes and the ::DIGITAL file, so thus ends my
homily.
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3609.35 | Marketing, we don't need no stinking marketing | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Thu Jan 05 1995 15:27 | 15 |
|
Had a call - asked a question. Here is the answer:
Have a VAR with 800 VMS installed accounts. They sell an integrated
MES solution that includes Order Entry and Status lookup. They (meaning
the whole VMS worldwide Digital install base) have no way of supply
field sales reps with a portable computer RUNNING VMS that links
directly to their system. Yes, we know all about Pathworks and Intel
based Laptops, etc. But their code is all DCL calls to the central data
files. They use All-In-One internally, etc. An Alpha portable running
VMS is a no-brainer. No training, no windows don't work today stuff,
no complicated communications, etc.
Hello, anybody home?
the Greyhawk
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3609.36 | don't forget the cost of SERVICE | NOTAPC::SEGER | Mark Seger | Thu Jan 05 1995 15:28 | 33 |
| Don't just assume that the only cost is in manufacturing. Let's not forget
support/service. Who is a customer going to call when there is a problem? How
are we going to get people trained to support this puppy? Hopefully the needs
of this specific implementation would be minimal, but...
At the risk of opening a rathole (or maybe just a different topic), service
always seems to be the tail wagging the dog. We seem to build a lot of stuff
without addressing the support side. As a simple example, several years ago I
did a study and found we were spending over $1M a year (in the US alone)
answering support calls on VMS BACKUP! Had we hooked up the people on the
phones with the people writing the code we might have been able to engineer out
the causes of these problems. I'll bet is services funded a few people in
engineering to make the user interface easier to use, everybody could have won.
Once upon a time there was an organization called CSSE which from my
understanding dealt with getting serviceability features put into new products.
This is NOT what I'm talking about. Rather, I'm talking about developers
better understanding what services is all about. They should know where the
support expenses are spent and how they might be able to help make support
easier, not through serviceability features (though those are certainly
desireable) but by making more information available to the people who have to
support their products.
For example, there is a tool calls STARS which is a text retrieval tool used to
store problems/solutions for all the different products we service. To my
knowledge, this database is NOT populated by the developers but is the sole
responsibility of the service organization. Why can't developers also populate
the databases, possibly during field test?
I ramble, so I'll stop. However, I think there IS potential in establishing a
closer working relationship...
-mark
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3609.37 | | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (DTN 297-5780, MRO3-3/L16) | Thu Jan 05 1995 16:48 | 13 |
| re Note 3609.31 by AXEL::FOLEY:
> By introducing this product, you have the
> opportunity to create a whole new market.
If Sun and IBM already make a notebook Unix workstation
(correct me if I'm wrong) then it *isn't* a "whole new
market" at all.
(Of course, it still may be right that we do it -- I'd like
one!)
Bob
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3609.38 | | KOALA::HAMNQVIST | Reorg city | Thu Jan 05 1995 17:29 | 7 |
| | If Sun and IBM already make a notebook Unix workstation
| (correct me if I'm wrong) then it *isn't* a "whole new
| market" at all.
c'mon Bob .. the whole new market is called: Alpha laptops!
>Per
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3609.39 | AlphaNote has a nice "ring" to it...%^) | SWAM2::BARNETTE_NE | Nuclear Physics for Dummies | Thu Jan 05 1995 17:37 | 7 |
|
>c'mon Bob .. the whole new market is called: Alpha laptops!
No, it's called AlphaNotes as previously stated - I even have a logo
in mind, the AlphaGeneration semi-circle wrapped around a double whole
note!
|
3609.40 | Lesson from the past... | SWAM2::BARNETTE_NE | Nuclear Physics for Dummies | Thu Jan 05 1995 17:55 | 8 |
|
Something only car enthusiasts know: In the early '60s, Ford had a
huge internal debate about the Mustang and almost didn't build it.
At $2,000 it was going to be too expensive for such a small car and
nobody would buy them.
Where would Ford be now, if the Mustang had never been? Where will *WE*
be, ten years from now?
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3609.41 | Who HIGHER UP even reads the discussion here? | SX4GTO::WANNOOR | | Thu Jan 05 1995 18:03 | 20 |
|
the issue becomes... how does a grass-root movement like this be
propelled upwards - to the RIGHT people - for (dare I say it?)
courageous/defensible decision-making?
This topic also raises the issue of how do the citizens of Digital
participate EFFECTIVELY in getting innovative ideas across and upwards?
If indeed the demand is ALREADY created in the marketplace, then a
thorough BUT rapid analysis must take place whether it is feasible/make
sense to have this product to market IN TIME and PROFITABLY.
It would be sad and bad for the new Digital to assert its arrogance
once again (intentionally or not) by pooh-poohing what
customers/prospects are saying or underestimating their capacity to
use and understand technology.
This turf wars must end... when will we learn?!
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3609.42 | He set sail for Hawaii and wound up in Japan %^) | SWAM2::BARNETTE_NE | Nuclear Physics for Dummies | Thu Jan 05 1995 18:06 | 8 |
|
>The other from a marketing consultant, who's client has a mapping
>application for yachting and is not happy with his current Pentium notebooks
>(due to overheating and performance problems). This was a couple of weeks
>ago.
There's a great floating point joke in there somewhere, but someone
will probably think of it before me.
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3609.43 | Here's another example right in our backyard.. | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Thu Jan 05 1995 18:08 | 14 |
|
Not to belittle Ford, but take a look at Motorola.
They literally had engineers "duking it out" in the halls over the
PowerPC. Cooler heads prevailed, and Moto went ahead with Apple and
IBM. They are now selling 100,000 units a MONTH of that chip family.
I, for one, think Digital better begin being an emotional,
aggressive, "let's make a deal" kind of company real quick. The
clock is ticking.
the Greyhawk
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3609.44 | I don't know who they are... so pass this string along, OK? | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Thu Jan 05 1995 19:42 | 8 |
| Often (and I've seen this recently, in the estimable openness of Bill
Troy in this very file, discussing our advertising strategy) senior
Corporate Execs share their views and sometimes defend their positions/
decisions in this medium.
I'd like to invite those with the data and decision-making
responsibility in this space to join this forum and add their value.
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3609.45 | Send your numbers to Enrico... | ICS::ZAHARCHUK | | Thu Jan 05 1995 21:14 | 10 |
| I would recommand that you send your "I will sell xx @ yy price"
to Enrico and your area VP. That's the level that reviewed the
decision. I don't know what the break-even point needed to
get the laptop back is.
Regards,
Bill Zaharchuk
DEC 3000 Workstation
Marketing Manager
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3609.46 | Thanks! What is(/was?) the DEC 3000 Workstation? | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Thu Jan 05 1995 21:31 | 27 |
| (pardon my ignorance, I'm an applications-type who just wants fast
boxes...)
LJSRV2=>elf bill zaharchuk
Common Name: WILLIAM ZAHARCHUK
Search Surname: ZAHARCHUK Search Given Name: WILLIAM, WILLIAM A,
Bill Z BillZ BILLZ, William DTN: 223-4077, 223-4077
Intrnl Mail Addr: PKO3-2/T32 Location: PKO Node: ICS
Username: ZAHARCHUK Org Unit: CSD OPERATIONS,
Workstation Business Segment, DEC 3000 Systems, AlphaStation 600
Position: Marketing Manager
and as long as I've sprayed YOUR elf entry ::DIGITAL-wide, it seems
only fair...
Common Name: DANIEL KALIKOW
Search Surname: KALIKOW, Calico, Kalico Search Given Name: DANIEL,
DANIEL NORMAN, Dan, D DTN: 226-2116, 226-2116 Telephone:
508-486-2116,
FAX: 508-486-2311, Office at Pole J8, ->[email protected]
Intrnl Mail Addr: LJO2-1/I1 Location: LJO Node: LJSRV2::
Username: KALIKOW Org Unit: INTERNET, Internet Business Group -
ATG,
http://www.ljo.dec.com/IBG/, people/kalikow/bidness-card.html
Position: Consultant; WebMonger & Futurist
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3609.47 | go for it | BUELL::dehahn | Buell American Motorcycles | Thu Jan 05 1995 22:14 | 29 |
|
I've had the priviledge of demonstrating the LEAN prototype at several trade
shows, of which the primary focus was CAD. Practically every CAD vendor that
saw the LEAN was impressed with its capability. It's a perfect road demo/
presentation machine that runs a full bodied Unix. It's small, light, and
the TFT display is excellent. The prototype of the IBM machine I saw was slow,
and the passive display was a joke on a $12K machine. The SPARCbook is a great
machine but is heavy and cumbersome. The LEAN is much 'leaner'.
I haven't seen the Tadpole produced Alpha notebook, but the problems I've
found with the LEAN are:
1) Battery life. It was about 45 minutes at best. We always ran them from the
AC adapter. Supposedly this was being addressed.
2) Disk requirements for Unix. Even the stripped down version of OSF/1 that
was developed for the LEAN ate up most of the ~500MB disk, which is about the
largest you can get in 2.5" form factor.
3) The trackball design. Some people liked it, others didn't.
IMO the LEAN was an amazing prototype, way ahead of it's time. I think that
an Alpha notebook would sell into niche markets, where most high end notebooks
sell anyway. Then again, I'm not in sales, or marketing, I'm just a grunt
engineer.
FWIW,
Chris
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3609.48 | How About a Transportable ??? | CGOOA::WARDLAW | CHARLES WARDLAW @CGO | Thu Jan 05 1995 23:27 | 89 |
| Let me try a different cut at all this.
One thing to look at is the business need versus the cost of the
device. Unfortunately, many of us now associate "portable" computing
device with "laptop". This was not always the case.
To me the business need here is "to provide a transportable Alpha-based
platform suitable for performing work currently restricted to
stationary workstation and server configurations". This device is
therefore not necessarily the same as the one previously demo'd.
The PC Analogy
--------------
In the beginning, PC portables were known as "luggables", "totables",
and a variety of other names indicating they could be moved without
needing a trip to the shop. the need for batteries, light weight,
etc. came later. As a user of the Compaq Portable/ Portable+/
Portable_II/ _III/ _386/ and _486, as well as the PC Portable and
PS/2_P70, I was quite happy without batteries for the period '83 to
'93. It was only in '94 that I was gifted with a 425SL (what this
is being typed on) as my permanent machine. IN ALL THE ABOVE
SITUATIONS, my need was for "movability", not battery power. Even
with my 425SL, my ratio of AC to battery is about 80:20.
The relevance of all this is that until very recently (like '92 or so),
many practical users of PC portables used them mostly off of AC, with some
limited battery use when it was absolutely necessary. I preferred the
use of the larger units because they were better for what I needed to
do - replace my desktop with a machine that was roughly equivalent. If
the tradeoff was light weight and a battery versus a readable screen &
an expansion slot or two, I would go with the latter every time (as did
many, many others).
Going back to the base note - I suspect that someone has determined it
will be *VERY* expensive to build a fully portable Alpha configuration.
I believe this is the case because our designers must make the same
type of tradeoffs as PC designers made about 5-6 years ago:
- CPU & battery consumption (more power = shorter battery life)
- Screen & battery consumption (800x600 TFT = shorter battery life)
- Weight & robustness (1GB hard drive = greater weight)
- Compactness & expandibility
.
.
.
You know the rest of this list. My point here is "That's right! -
Don't try to build Rome in a day." It took 10 years for my PC portable
to go from a 43 lb. Compaq Portable to a 7 lb. 425SL. Hell yes, I
wanted the 7 lb. in 1983, but I was happy to get the original Portable;
I was able to take a machine home for the weekend without having to put
a system unit, monitor, keyboard, etc. in my car all the time.
Given the current state of technology, a "luggable" Alpha portable,
with enough power for a fast chip and lots of RAM, a 1-5GB 3.5 in. SCSI
drive and CD-ROM, 800-600 TFT screen w/1200x1000 external, built-in sound,
a couple of EISA/ISA/PCI slots (2 at most), and lots of ports on the back
(SCSI, 10BaseT, ISDN or 28.8kbps, mouse, serial, parallel, etc.) that
weighed <15 lbs should be right. I believe it could be built and sold
economically. Some uses/examples:
- Portable servers (I had a friend who carried 2 Compaq 486
luggables; one as a file server, the other as a workstation)
- Product demos (lots of PS/2_P70's were sold to do VGA/386 demos)
- Hot spares (keep a couple setup for system swaps)
- Road shows (lot easier to pack than a 3000-500, right?)
- Consulting (need to move a system to a customer's site
that can come out quickly, or can be moved quickly)
- Training (what kind of training could ORACLE or SAP do with
Alpha portables? actually go to customer sites maybe?)
- High-end users (who says $10k is the top end?)
- Developers
One particular "opportunity" would be to get an Alpha portable to
become the defacto "demo box". If Digital built a winner in this
space, it would show up all over the place as the "standard" for NT and
UNIX transportable boxes. Think of the impact that could have ...
Charles (yes, I would like one of these as well; no battery - just
power!)
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3609.49 | | OSL09::OLAV | Do it in parallel! | Fri Jan 06 1995 03:55 | 18 |
| Re: .31
> As has been said before, the AlphaNote would not be competing with
> a Pentium notebook. By introducing this product, you have the
> opportunity to create a whole new market. Work it from that angle.
Why wouldn't it compete with Pentium notebooks? Because the only interest
is running OpenVMS or OSF/1 applications on it? Looks like a very small
niche to me. I have a hard time finding anyone wanting OpenVMS or OSF/1
on their desktop, so why would it be more popular on a mobile unit? It would
be nice as a Windows NT machine, but it would have to be price/performance
competitive with Intel (isn't that the whole point with RISC?). When a
customer decides to run their CAD on a PC, isn't this because Intel competes
head-to-head with the UNIX RISC systems? Don't think that there isn't any
competition.
Olav
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3609.50 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Fri Jan 06 1995 06:19 | 8 |
| On the other hand, isn't part of our strategy to keep satisfying the
growing demands of a growing marketplace for whatEVER platform they
want to use to meet their business needs? I believe the tide is rising
(albeit at different rates, to be sure) for most, if not all, of the
platforms we provide... or it MIGHT rise faster, if one of those
platforms were innovatively toteable -- even if it trailed its
power-cord... :-) ...??
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3609.51 | | TLE::REAGAN | All of this chaos makes perfect sense | Fri Jan 06 1995 09:20 | 17 |
| While the hardware is "done", are there still more hidden costs?
Somebody mentioned service (stocking replacement parts, training
support folks, training sales force).
What software needs to change? On a Macintosh laptop, the OS and
many applications are "Powerbook aware" in that they change their
disk access strategy to not spin up the disk as often. Has OpenVMS
changed its paging software or image activation software to reduce
disk accesses? How about layered products? For example, when the
Pascal compiler inherits an environment file (a precompiled include
file for those of you who don't use Pascal), the environment file
is touched several times during the compilation. While we code
in amply RMS buffers, et al, we never tried to clump the accesses
together. How about OSF/1? NT?
-John
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3609.52 | Not for airplanes.... For when you get where you are going.... | PERFOM::LICEA_KANE | when it's comin' from the left | Fri Jan 06 1995 09:44 | 33 |
| Power management is not really relevent to this market.
Of necessity, aren't we are talking about the "plug-in notebook" market
here? Or you can think of it as the 1990's version of the luggable.
Much much much smaller of course. But still something that you
take out of a bag, set up on a real desk, plug a few cables together,
plug into the wall and off you go.
When I get to a committee meeting with my counterparts in the industry
(all Unix RISC workstation centric folks) we all pull out our
Intel-clone laptops, except there's a couple of Powerbook laptops, and
one palmtop and one Newton.
* The Newton will get a few scrawls written to it during the day.
* The palmtop is a nothing more than a deck of cards (somebody likes
to play Solitaire all day).
* Everone else plugs in and takes notes. The scramble for power
at the beginning of meetings is almost humourous.
Anyone foolish enough to leave the power cord at their hotel room
won't get through an 8 hour meeting. (Even with a spare battery pack.)
Nobody brings a RISC "notebook". Nobody even brings any kind of
notebook.
The big problem is that the real "laptops" which can be used for part
of a coast-to-coast flight with batteries can address the vast majority
of the "plug-in notebook" market quite nicely.
-mr. bill
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3609.53 | Who Will Sell Them | NICOLA::STACY | | Fri Jan 06 1995 11:03 | 13 |
| re: Note 3609.6 by PAKORA::JTRAYNOR
> "As an aside from someone who works at SQF which shortly (it seems) is
> going to to be sold to Motorolo who is going to make all these
> alpha chips.
>
> Have my doubts that second sources are lining up to make these devices
> but I could be wrong.Hmm!"
The volume of this particular ALPHA chip will not be a problem. They
can be made now in SQF, in HLO within a month or so, and in Japan by June. We
simply need to get products to market for sale that use them.
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3609.54 | if (profit>0) {do_it}; | TEKVAX::KOPEC | we're gonna need another Timmy! | Fri Jan 06 1995 11:48 | 24 |
| If the bulk of the business needs can be met with a luggable, I'd
bet CSS could do that in a "short" while..
Hell, within a week I could tell you if *I* could do it; and if the
answer was "yes" I could have a proto a week after that. Anybody want
to start a company? 8-)
But that's somewhat beside the point. we're dancing around in this
thread without anything happening.. We have some field folks chiming in
saying "I'll sell X of those", some even adding "at $Y"... We have some
engineering folks saying "It's mostly done, except for zzz", and we
have some questions about "How would we support it?", "Which BU will own
it?", and "Where is the break-even point, given that the remaining
engineering and support is figured in?"
If we have badge-on-the-table commits to sell some number at some
price, and that number*price beats the break-even point by 'some'
margin, the only remaining question is "which BU wants some free
money?"
And maybe the next generation would need to refine the business model
after we figure out who *really* buys them..
...tom
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3609.55 | | KELVIN::RDISCHLER | I don't wanna wait in vain | Fri Jan 06 1995 12:30 | 10 |
| I am the Eng Mgr. We have been directed to shutdown. We're shutting
down.
It is conceivable that Tadpole might want to continue the work in some
form, but that would be up to them.
Sitting on a pile of the fastest
notebooks in the world,
RJD
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3609.56 | | WLDBIL::KILGORE | Survive outsourcing? We'll manage... | Fri Jan 06 1995 12:32 | 3 |
|
Why exactly were you directed to shut down?
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3609.58 | Don't know exactly... | KELVIN::RDISCHLER | I don't wanna wait in vain | Fri Jan 06 1995 12:38 | 6 |
| Exactness was not offered to me. Data was gathered and presented.
The highest level sales VP said no. Our group VP agrees and told
us to shut down. Enough people have left and it would be tough to
get it going again.
RJD
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3609.59 | jesus help us | ICS::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Fri Jan 06 1995 12:40 | 1 |
|
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3609.60 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | | Fri Jan 06 1995 12:47 | 1 |
|
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3609.61 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Fri Jan 06 1995 13:04 | 9 |
| RE: .55
>>Sitting on a pile of the fastest notebooks in the world,
Can I have one? (I'm serious)
mike
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3609.62 | Stunned, or a moment of silence? | ISLNDS::PACHECO | RON | Fri Jan 06 1995 13:09 | 7 |
| Dan,
Was your last response (.60) one of being stunned by Rich Dischler's notes,
or just a momoent of silence as we watch the bow sink below the waterline?
Ron P. (who suffered a beating for talking about desktop flat panel displays
and non-LCD technologies that are not on the shelf)
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3609.63 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Fri Jan 06 1995 13:10 | 6 |
| RE: .61
Don't bother sending Rich mail.. None are available.
mike
answering my own note...
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3609.64 | IT CAN BE SAVED!!! | ODIXIE::GARAVANO | | Fri Jan 06 1995 13:41 | 10 |
| re: .61, .60, .62, .63
Sometimes even VP's in high places make mistakes. The difference
between the ones who are written about twenty, fifty, etc.... years
from now and those who are forgotten, is NOT that a mistake was made,
but how they reacted to it.
The sign of truly great leaders are their ability to recognize those
mistakes and correct them. Here's for believing that Harry Copperman
and Dick Fishburn represent that kind of leadership.
|
3609.65 | Women and children first, please... | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Fri Jan 06 1995 14:26 | 6 |
|
And the saddest thing about this - I am not at all surprised!
The surprise may come if we manage to reinstate this machine.
the Greyhawk
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3609.66 | Timing is key | ISLNDS::PACHECO | RON | Fri Jan 06 1995 14:48 | 8 |
| >> The surprise may come if we manage to reinstate this machine.
Since we always manage to bring back things, your statement be revised as follows:
The surprise may come if we manage to reinstate this machine...
***when it can make a difference***
(no more VAXMate's, please!)
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3609.67 | Don't worry be happy ! | TOOK::FALLIS | | Fri Jan 06 1995 14:53 | 10 |
|
Isn't this the second time this project has been killed ? I seem to
remember that the prototype used by BP was designed and built by
Digital engineers. It was then outsources to who ever and how long ago
was this (a year or so) ?
Don't worry someone will bring it back to life just in time to get
killed by a competing product that we had a year or two jump on today !
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3609.68 | | POBOX::RILEY | I *am* the D.J. | Fri Jan 06 1995 15:50 | 3 |
| So who do we write to?
|
3609.69 | My two pennies... | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Fri Jan 06 1995 16:02 | 6 |
|
Bob Welzel is the US Marketing manager for Alpha platforms.
But my bet is Enrico or Harry C. has to do the override.
the Greyhawk
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3609.70 | any volunteers? | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Fri Jan 06 1995 17:17 | 4 |
| Enrico was one that sent it to it's grave, although I did hear
he gave Jesse Lipcon the option of funding it in VMS-land.
Apparently Jesse couldn't justify the cutbacks needed to come
up with the money. kb
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3609.71 | Let's start a write-in campaign! | FUNYET::ANDERSON | Where's the snow? | Fri Jan 06 1995 17:18 | 8 |
| I believe cancelling the portable workstation is a mistake. Since it would not
be a high-volume commodity item, I can't believe we wouldn't be able to make a
profit on it.
I'd like to see the reasoning behind the cancellation. We're one of the few
companies who could produce such a machine.
Paul
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3609.72 | part of a "going out of business" strategy | RUMOR::FALEK | ex-TU58 King | Fri Jan 06 1995 18:34 | 1 |
|
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3609.73 | re .62 re .60 both; a moment of stunned silence. | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Fri Jan 06 1995 20:20 | 1 |
| Second Opinion, please!
|
3609.74 | Different spectacles | ULYSSE::ROEMER | | Sat Jan 07 1995 04:06 | 25 |
| How much profit could we make with it? And how much profit could we make
if we spent the money in some other way?
I also saw no one address the longer term picture: Is this is viable
longer term product leading to some new business that we can beat
others to? Or is this a 1-timer, giving us X profit dollars and we
spend close to X diverting the engineering, marketing and sales
machine to some other short term venture? I am simply asking, mostly
because I see so many people focused on today and on a small picture.
I also honestly do not know the answer.
Is this perhaps why we have so many high level people people that
do no know what they are talking about? *We* recognize a good product
when we *see* it and *they* are looking a few years out and make ROI
decisions comparing product strategies? The statement that VMS could
not afford the cutbacks to free up the money is a clue.
RE: A-few-back: Since we apparently already built a few of these, it
can not be said that no one was interested. I conclude that the mistake
was that we went this way and it is now being corrected. We may make it
to the history books still.
Al
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3609.75 | .74> -< Different spectacles >-, for sure! | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | BuggyChipMakers=>BuggyWhipMakers | Sat Jan 07 1995 07:13 | 26 |
| .74> I conclude that the mistake was that we went this way and it is
now being corrected. We may make it to the history books still.
I'm not quite sure how to take this last... So I choose to interpret
it as a prediction, with which I concur, that we may be making an
historic spectacle of ourselves!
Why? Well, for example, I joined Prime Computer in 1980, in the first
wave of technical immigration following the exodus of the visionaries
who proposed, unsuccessfully to Prime's then management, that they fund
the development of the first workstation. They were turned down
(prominent among the reasons was surely "we would have to divert too
many resources from our cash cow," and/or "it would cause product line
competition."). They accepted their own proposal and built the Apollo.
The rest, as they say, is in the history books.
Prime paid the ultimate price for not realizing that an expanding
industry, which expansion THEY could have led in a new direction,
benefits all players -- even those with cash cows and successful
present product lines -- by bringing in MORE customers and allowing
eventual migration to next-generation products that MIGHT have been of
the same marque.
PS -- for the curious -- at that stage of my career I couldn't affort
to "take a flyer" on a startup... :-)
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3609.76 | Niche market? Engage partners. | MR4DEC::REICH | | Sat Jan 07 1995 14:55 | 30 |
| Unix portables are a niche market. Digital's strategy is to attack niche
markets through partners. My recommendation would be to identify prospective
partners and sell or license this tecnhology to them. Even if you disagree with
a partnering strategy, you cannot make a business decision like this without
looking at the numbers. I would be surprised if the business plan for this
product did not include "leverage" or indirect revenue contribution. But
perhaps they did not look at it this way:
Digital Niche player(s) Our OSF/1 applic. Customers buy
licenses -> mfg/mkt/sell -> partners buy them -> Alpha workstations
technology Alpha OSF/1 and use them in and servers from
portable Alpha based demos distributors & Digital
Digital makes Digital makes
a little money a lot of money
Sizing this market is very speculative. Personally, I would love to have a
"portable Alpha OSF/1 server". For the last two years, we have been forced
to use a SPARC based laptop in certain demos that required a portable Unix
server. The machine was made by a Japanese company whose name I've
forgotten. Using the SPARC portable did not stop us from winning projects
that wound up running on VMS or OSF/1 servers. There is a difference
between DESIRE and NEED.
When a niche market is also a new market, you have to invest and engage
customers to test the premises in your business plan. Without looking at
this business plan - it's hard to know. But based on what's been written
here, I would pursue this market with a partnering strategy. Where might
you find such a partner? Begin by looking at the business plan for this
product - under the section entitled "Competition".
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3609.77 | Sounds good, .76 -- but evidence is that we're not doing it... | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | Pentium: Intel's Blew-Chip Special | Sat Jan 07 1995 18:15 | 5 |
| ... the manager of the project said that he's shutting it down, not
packaging it up to hand off to a potential licensee.
I repeat my invitation to Those In The Know to shed some more light...
|
3609.78 | OBTW -- would this Alpha portable need to be *only* OSF/1? | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | Pentium: Intel's Blew-Chip Special | Sat Jan 07 1995 18:17 | 1 |
| Isn't it just as likely that it might be able to run OpenVMS or NT?
|
3609.79 | OSF/1 wasn't the primary focus | ANGST::BECK | Paul Beck | Sat Jan 07 1995 18:48 | 2 |
| There were plans to run all three (NT, OpenVMS, OSF/1), though not all
three were at the same stage of development.
|
3609.80 | 5 million/year to Ford | GLDOA::CUTLER | | Sun Jan 08 1995 08:26 | 21 |
|
Re: 3609.43
>>> Not to belittle Ford, but take a look at Motorola.
>>> They literally had engineers "duking it out" in the halls over the
>>> PowerPC. Cooler heads prevailed, and Moto went ahead with Apple and
>>> IBM. They are now selling 100,000 units a MONTH of that chip
>>> family.
Greyhawk,
Soon, they'll be selling 5 million of these a year (PowerPC) to
(guess who) Ford.
Rick
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3609.81 | "A chicken in every pot & a chip in every Taurus..." | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | Pentium: Intel's Blew-Chip Special | Sun Jan 08 1995 08:38 | 13 |
| ... one hopes the chips'll be doing something more interesting &
useful, and less annoying, than synthesizing speech saying stuff like:
"<Ding!> Please fasten your seatbelts! <Ding!> Please fasten your
seatbelts!"
or
"<Ding!> The engine is about to overheat! <Ding!> The engine is about
to overheat!"
:-)
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3609.82 | So what ... 8-) | MEOC02::TINKLER | In the middle ware please, 8-) | Sun Jan 08 1995 19:24 | 8 |
| >> ... one hopes the chips'll be doing something more interesting &
>> useful, and less annoying, than synthesizing speech saying stuff like: ...0
If it means 5 Million chips / year who cares ...
I'm sure BP would love even 10% of that for Alpha
gt
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3609.83 | But there _was_ a partner, wasn't there? | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Mon Jan 09 1995 07:07 | 10 |
| Tadpole Techologies (I believe) has been around for a quite a few
years in the high end portable space. I know they have a Sparc
machine and I believe there was talk of an RS-6000 also (but that
may be just my imagination running away with me).
Wasn't the original proto being developed with Tadpole? What
happened to this partner? Why didn't it continue? I'll bet
some of the clues to the puzzle lie here...
re roelof
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3609.84 | Do We have The Vision Needed?? | CGOOA::WARDLAW | CHARLES WARDLAW @CGO | Mon Jan 09 1995 14:51 | 29 |
| What about a parallel situation in a different industry?
In the early '80s, as Chrysler was planning its comeback, it had to
make a choice. Should it gamble on a new vehicle, one that could
redefine the marketplace and make the Chrysler name stand for
innovation and forward thinking, instead of just for cheap cars (this
was the K-car era, understand)? To do so would mean spending expensive
R&D $$$ on planning the new product, as well as developing the tooling,
marketing plans, testing, support & maintenance, etc. at a time when
Chrysler was having difficulty convincing people that they would even
survive!
The vehicle of course was the FWD minivan, now known as the "Magic
Wagon". Chrysler created a whole new image for "wagon"-size vehicles,
and gave itself a very valuable market niche when sales of the K-car
implementations began to sag. Last I saw, Chrysler still has 40% of
this market, and has made over 4 million of these people movers. More
importantly, it has taken the competition 10 years to catch Chrysler
(Consumer Reports has in the past year ranked the new Ford WindStar
ahead of the Magic Wagon), but Chrysler still outsells all the others,
and just announced its next-generation product this week.
Is there a forward-looking manufacturer deep inside of Digital that can
see the value of defining the 64-bit transportable computer market for
the next 10 years? Imagine ... if every Microsoft Back-Office demo used a
Digital-built Alpha transportable as the data core (running
SQLServer95, SMS, and Message Exchange)??
Charles
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3609.85 | its all about money | KLUSTR::GARDNER | The secret word is Mudshark. | Mon Jan 09 1995 16:07 | 9 |
| re: .84
I'm not sure that's the best example...lack of true market parallels
aside, Chrysler accomplished their turnaround with a great
deal of assistance in the form of lotsa federal dollars...I think
that we would be more than willing to build the AlphaNote if BillyBoy
were to hand over a huge chunk-o-change for the job.....
_kelley
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3609.86 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Jan 09 1995 16:21 | 6 |
| Re: .85
Not at all. Federal loan guarantees, yes. No Treasury money went to
Chrysler.
Steve
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3609.87 | | NAC::14701::ofsevit | card-carrying member | Mon Jan 09 1995 16:37 | 13 |
| re .85
In fairness, Chrysler did not "[accomplish] their turnaround with a
great deal of assistance in the form of lotsa federal dollars..." They got
Uncle to guarantee the loans they needed to stay afloat, but their
creditors never had to go to the government for a dime. Chrysler made good
on all the loans, ahead of schedule.
On the other hand, if you ever get the chance, listen to Tom
Paxton's song "I Am Changing My Name to Chrysler" for a really good laugh.
David
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3609.88 | oops | NAC::14701::ofsevit | card-carrying member | Mon Jan 09 1995 16:38 | 1 |
| .86 + .87 = notes collision
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3609.89 | Whats new? | OSL09::OLAV | Do it in parallel! | Mon Jan 09 1995 23:31 | 13 |
| > the next 10 years? Imagine ... if every Microsoft Back-Office demo used a
> Digital-built Alpha transportable as the data core (running
> SQLServer95, SMS, and Message Exchange)??
It would be nice if they used Alpha. They do of course already do this
*today* with Intel based portables (runs Windows NT Server fine). It's
also very easy to demo this kind of stuff with a portable using a modem
with Remote Access Services dialing up to a Windows NT Server. What
kind of processor performance are we talking about in a potential Alpha
notebook?
Olav
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3609.90 | | USMVS::DAVIS | | Tue Jan 17 1995 15:10 | 10 |
| <<< Note 3609.85 by KLUSTR::GARDNER "The secret word is Mudshark." >>>
-< its all about money >-
> I'm not sure that's the best example...lack of true market parallels
> aside, Chrysler accomplished their turnaround with a great
Actually, the Chrysler example does have another interesting parallel: The
minivan was built on the K-car. They took a floundering product line, and
stuck it into a new market, and made a fortune. There were plenty of vans
around then, but there weren't any minivans...
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3609.91 | RDI does it!! | ODIXIE::GARAVANO | | Fri Feb 03 1995 18:35 | 11 |
| RDI recently announced an 85MHZ Sparc notebook for $11,995.
Are your customers as excited as mine? I'm about to lose 1.5M
and all Digital engineering mgmt can say is "Too bad". I thought this
was the NEW Digital - one which listened to the customer. When will
engineering learn that NIH just doesn't cut it anymore.
I feel like the frenzied commentator from the movie "Network" - the one
who urged people to just yell out their windows "I'm mad as he.. and
I'm not going to take it anymore!" We need to do that in Digital!
Just a thought...
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3609.92 | | TLE::REAGAN | All of this chaos makes perfect sense | Mon Feb 06 1995 09:58 | 9 |
| But "listening to the customer" isn't the same as "doing everything
the customer says". If a customer says to produce a product that will
loose money or is outside your current market segment, should we?
Not that I'm implying that the Alpha laptop would either loose money
or is outside our segment (I kinda believe that we should do it), but
we certainly cannot do everything the customer says.
-John
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3609.93 | Tadpole vs. RDI review | STAR::PCD040::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Mon Feb 06 1995 12:30 | 7 |
| The February issue of AdvancedSystem has a review of the Tadpole
SPARCbook3 vs. RDI PowerLite. The Tadpole model is slightly favored
in the overall rating.
-Paul
|
3609.94 | One data point... | FLAM01::CONCORDIA | later | Tue Feb 21 1995 17:15 | 5 |
| Just last week, I had a salesman in to demo a PCB router tool.
He said that he couldn't wait to get his hands on a few Alpha Laptops...
-Dave
|
3609.95 | | PHDVAX::LUSK | Ron Lusk--[org-name of the week here] | Wed Feb 22 1995 13:52 | 10 |
| For what it's worth, I recently received a copy of a September '94 IDC
White Paper, "OpenVMS and Windows NT: Working Together," whose overview
of "Alpha AXP" says
Digital has started to deliver on its promise to provide a
very broad product line based upon Alpha AXP which will
eventually span from notebooks to supercomputers.
Someone, somewhere, understood us to have promised something which may
(in someone's interpretation) include notebooks.
|
3609.96 | | NEWVAX::MZARUDZKI | I AXPed it, and it is thinking... | Wed Feb 22 1995 14:11 | 6 |
|
re -.1
"eventually" can be a mightly long time..................
-Mike Z.
|
3609.97 | | ELGIN::RASOOLM | The computer in front is an ALPHA | Wed Mar 01 1995 07:10 | 9 |
|
Tadpole Technology is working at this very moment on an ALPHA AXP
notebook, here in the UK.
Might even be ready this year!
Max.
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3609.98 | Do we have a clue? | NEWVAX::MZARUDZKI | I AXPed it, and it is thinking... | Wed Mar 01 1995 07:15 | 4 |
|
Incredilble, this whole string is..........
-Mike Z.
|
3609.99 | You had to ask | TOOK::FALLIS | | Wed Mar 01 1995 08:11 | 1 |
| re:-1 Of course not this is Digital !
|
3609.100 | Tadpole is not working on Alpha | STAR::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Development | Wed Mar 01 1995 10:04 | 17 |
|
>>> Tadpole Technology is working at this very moment on an ALPHA AXP
>>> notebook, here in the UK.
Since the product cancellation at Digital, I know of no definite plans
by Tadpole to make the Alpha notebook a product. There are a number of
people who have encouraged Tadpole to develop the Alpha notebook
independently, like Aspen, Carara, and Nekotek are developing other
Alpha clones, but Tadpole has not yet shown much enthusiasm. They are
most likely busy on a PowerPC model.
The Alpha notebooks prototypes that we received from Tadpole have
booted Windows NT and OpenVMS/Motif, but have now been put on the shelf
to gather dust. Big sigh.
-Paul
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3609.101 | What's wrong with MY dust? | MR2SRV::oohyoo.mro.dec.com::WWILLIS | Wayne A. Willis, CNS | Wed Mar 01 1995 15:29 | 9 |
| > The Alpha notebooks prototypes that we received from Tadpole have
> booted Windows NT and OpenVMS/Motif, but have now been put on the shelf
> to gather dust. Big sigh.
Um. I also have a good dust supply in my office. Can it gather dust there?
(1/2 joking)
Regards,
Wayne
|
3609.102 | | MAIL2::CRANE | | Thu Mar 02 1995 08:51 | 3 |
| .101
Instead of gathering dust, isn`t there something more usefull we could
do with them? I wouldn`t mind letting them collect dust in my house!
|
3609.103 | Sounds like Tadpole is still working on Alpha | DUDDY::KRAVITZ | Caution: I drive like you do! | Tue Mar 14 1995 11:40 | 16 |
| RE: .100
Yesterday's EE Times reported on p. 79 that Tadpole is still working
on an Alpha notebook. In an article primarily about Tadpole's latest
SPARC-based machine, it says:
"The company also stated that similar, private-label designs for a
next-generation IBM Corp. unit (based on the PowerPC) and a
first-generation Digital Equipment Corp. offering (based on the Alpha
AXP) are still under way. ... Digital is still porting software,
Tadpole said."
So what's up with this? Can anyone (who's doing the porting?)
provide more details?
/dk
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3609.104 | Update to eliminate these rumors... | WRKSYS::MONTEMERLO | | Wed Mar 15 1995 10:00 | 12 |
| I was the Program Manager for the Alpha Notebook design effort which
was done with Tadpole. The Program was cancelled effective January 1995.
I have just paid and closed the last of the Purchase Orders between Digital
and Tadpole supporting our joint development effort. I have spoken to
Tadpole as recently as a week ago and no activities exist between us.
If Tadpole is pursing an Alpha design, they are doing it on their own or with
one of our other partners. In reality, due to the delays which have taken
place, the 18 month old design we worked on is now technically obsolete
and a new design would have to be started.
Regards,
|
3609.105 | Tadpole takes a dive | ASABET::SILVERBERG | My Other O/S is UNIX | Tue May 23 1995 17:36 | 27 |
|
>>>>>From: UNIGRAM-X
UG539-04 TADPOLE IN DISARRAY AFTER GBP6M LOSS
Cambridge, UK-based notebook manufacturer Tadpole Technology Plc
faces a radical restructuring after reporting a GBP5.94m loss for
the six months ending March 31, exacerbated by GBP2m of
exceptional charges to cover inventory provisions and lay-off
costs. The full horror that drove its share price down so hard
and fast that trading had to be suspended was revealed last week
- - and the news was sufficiently discouraging that when trading in
the shares reopened, they kept right on plunging, hitting 75
pence, off 59 pence from the pre-suspension price. As we went to
press they had risen 4 to 116 pence, probably on the asumption
that the company might be acquired. Tadpole also faces a London
Stock Exchange investigation into trading of its shares prior to
their suspension, but the company did not do its credibility any
good with its ill-advised statement that it knew of no reason for
the plunging share price. Tadpole said it was ending manufacture
of its PowerPC 601-based portable computer, sold by IBM Corp as
the RS/6000 N40, that Geoff Burr, board director in charge of
Tadpole Technology Inc, had resigned, and that it is laying off
30 of its 70 employees in Austin, Texas, which accounts for 70%
of Tadpole's sales. Ten other jobs have been axed in the UK,
leaving the company with 200 staff in total.
|
3609.106 | | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Tue May 23 1995 18:06 | 4 |
| Better them taking a bath than us in discovering that RISC notebooks
don't sell.
(so that's where Geoff Burr went after the VAXmate debacle...)
|
3609.107 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Tue May 23 1995 18:42 | 5 |
| I see Tadpole released their P100 notebook, which looks an awful lot like
the prototype Alpha notebook (metal case and all). Reviews say it's heavy
and expensive.
Steve
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3609.108 | Provide feedback to CSS for business opportunity | DECLNE::PETERSON | It's a Cluster, but not as we know it | Fri May 26 1995 16:23 | 100 |
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
CSS - Computer Special Systems News - May 26, 1995 Page 1 of 2
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New business opportunity to consider: Transportable Alpha Computer
Actions: o Identify potential for a Transportable Alpha computer
(specs below).
o Communicate potential opportunities with geographic specific
contacts listed below.
Contacts - Americas & APA: Don ware @MKO, DTN 264-1858 (SOLVIT::DWARE)
Eric Hilman @MKO, DTN 264-7877 (SOLVIT::HILMAN)
Europe: Jean-Pierre Fichter @AEO, DTN 887-4080
Request for market information: CSS is considering investing in a
transportable Alpha computer and we need your help to scope out the
potential.
Expected applications:
* Government and military customers who want to deploy current software in
a field application will find this product more attractive than a
Intel-based notebook since they will not have to re-write existing
software
* Specialized military applications such as mission planning
* Field data acquisition and analysis where more processing and operating
system power is required than what is available on low cost notebook
systems
* Software suppliers and other VARs should find it attractive to put their
demo software on a device such as this to be used by their sales and
support people. Today, they typically load their demo software on
prospects' systems, but the installation usually takes longer than
expected and includes multiple hassles. The transportable computer
approach will allow these vendors to bring a fully configured system to
a prospect or trade show environment and to rapidly set it up.
* On site training environments
Potential specifications for the transportable Alpha computer:
o A 25 lb transportable computer with a 9" diagonal LCD screen
o Choice of operating system (VMS, Digital UNIX, or Windows NT)
o Graphics (640 x 480 or 1024 x 768)
o 32MB Memory included, expandable up to 64 MB
o 1GB Disk included, expandable up to 4GB
o I/O connections: one ISA slot, and one PCI slot; (there may be optional
PCMCIA slots)
o Trackball (no mouse)
o Conventional AC power plus a DC converter (for vehicle use)
Transportable Alpha Computer business opportunity - 5/26/95 Page 2 of 2
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Other characteristics:
o The basic system would be mounted in a briefcase, sufficiently rugged to
survive airline baggage handlers (non-operating environment).
o Operating spec will be essentially office environment.
o There will be a rugged version that meets military specifications for
environmental hardness for use in more harsh environments.
Price:
o A basic system (100 MHZ Alpha CPU, 32MB memory, 1GB disk, 640 x 480 9"
LCD screen and minimal ruggedization) will be priced around $15K USCLP.
Feasible schedule:
o If we proceed with development within the next month or two ...
- prototypes could be available by late Q1FY96
- units could be available for shipment by late Q2FY96
Actions:
o We need you to identify prospects for a transportable computer such as
this in order to proceed with the development of this product.
o Scope out the marketplace and call us with potential opportunities.
Contacts - Americas & APA: Eric Hilman @MKO, DTN 264-7877 (SOLVIT::HILMAN)
Don ware @MKO, DTN 264-1858 (SOLVIT::DWARE)
Europe: Jean-Pierre Fichter @AEO, DTN 887-4080
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You might have heard that, at one time, Digital was working with a company
called Tadpole to produce an Alpha PC notebook. Although this project is
different from that one in several key aspects, we believe that it will meet
many of your customers requirements for mobile computing. Key differences
include:
* Size: This device will be the size of a rather large briefcase (18"L x
15"W x 6"D) instead of a conventional notebook size
* Weight: Instead of a very light weight device, this device will weigh
25 lbs. It's small enough and light enough to be lugged from place
* Power: Conventional AC power and a DC converter will make it usable
in a vehicle (truck, aircraft, tank, etc)
Please give us any customer feedback you can gather.
|
3609.109 | "Luggable" | NAC::TRAMP::GRADY | Subvert the dominant pair of dimes | Fri May 26 1995 16:32 | 5 |
| 25 lbs.?
Does it have wheels and a handle to drag it with?
tim
|
3609.110 | | VMSVTP::S_WATTUM | Hell Bent | Fri May 26 1995 16:35 | 5 |
| You've seen those carts that the flight attendants use, right? Well, that
will be an option. Plus, for a mere $19.95, we'll throw in a 100 ft
extension cord.
Sorry to say this, but I am unimpressed with the specs.
|
3609.111 | Been there, seen that ??? | BBPBV1::WALLACE | Whatever it takes, Bob | Fri May 26 1995 16:39 | 6 |
| Exactly. There's very little in the aforementioned info to distinguish
the CSS proposal from the off-the-shelf moderate-duty industrialised
stuff available from people like Industrial Computer Source. And ICS
say they have it now (I believe their catalog shows one based on
Digital's baby-AT 21066 board, which will run Windows NT or Unix, but
not OpenVMS). Maybe more info is required... I'm sure CSS will oblige.
|
3609.112 | Only a mere 25 pounds? Maybe 2.5 pounds? | NEWVAX::MZARUDZKI | I AXPed it, and it is thinking... | Fri May 26 1995 16:39 | 7 |
|
Sounds like DoD specs to me. And we all know that if you meet or
exceed specs, they ain't a gonna buy it. So we come in at 45 pounds
with a cost overrun of x billion dollarsd, have 'em pick-up the tab
and sell them HiNotes instead.
-Mike Z.
|
3609.113 | | TLE::REAGAN | All of this chaos makes perfect sense | Fri May 26 1995 16:48 | 4 |
| I don't think it will float... (literally and figuratively).
-John
|
3609.114 | | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | E&RT -- Embedded and RealTime Engineering | Fri May 26 1995 16:59 | 5 |
| (Reserving my opinion on the "big picture"...)
Trackballs are out, especially in dirty field applications.
Track pads are in.
Atlant
|
3609.115 | So what do we call it: Quantum Leap? | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Fri May 26 1995 17:13 | 3 |
| Positive proof that time warps do exist. Those spec's obviously
came straight through a time warp from 1981. Hang onto them
they're might valuable....
|
3609.116 | QL it is | BBRDGE::LOVELL | � l'eau; c'est l'heure | Fri May 26 1995 18:07 | 9 |
| "Quantum Leap" is trademarked (as QL) by Sir Clive Sinclair who used it
for his "breakthrough" 68000 based QL back around '84. Despite the
specs of this little beast (I have two of 'em), His company went belly-up
because he was too far astray from real market requirements.
If you wanted to stick to QL as a series name for the CSS Alpha
portable as specified, then I'd suggest something like "Quite Laughable"
/Chris.
|
3609.117 | Quantum Leaping | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Fri May 26 1995 19:01 | 21 |
| > for his "breakthrough" 68000 based QL back around '84. Despite the
> specs of this little beast (I have two of 'em), His company went belly-up
> because he was too far astray from real market requirements.
Indeed, I do remember the QL.
Now _that_ brings back memories...and on a personal note my very
first computer was one built by two of Sinclair's engineers who
left just after - or before - Sinclair put out his Spectrum. It
was called the Jupiter Ace (10 brownie points if you've even heard
of it...) powered by an unbelievably fast 4Mhz Z80.
It was a little white plastic with rubber keypad affair about 2/3 the
size of todays notebooks with Forth - yes, Forth - as its
operating system. All of it put in an 8K EPROM with room to spare.
I remember writing a debugger in Forth so I could trace the operating
system running itself through its own threaded interpretive code....
signed, nostalgia
|
3609.118 | | SCHOOL::NEWTON | Thomas Newton | Fri May 26 1995 19:26 | 43 |
| Re: .108
>> o We need you to identify prospects for a transportable computer such as
>> this in order to proceed with the development of this product.
>>
>> o Scope out the marketplace and call us with potential opportunities.
You've got to be kidding. The prospects for such an expensive, heavy, and
limited device are poor.
If portable Alphas are your game, try setting your sights on
o A 3 to 10 lb battery-operated notebook, with built-in floppy,
quad-speed CD-ROM, sound, active-matrix LCD, and VGA port.
The less weight, the better.
o PCMCIA slots, Ethernet ports, and SCSI ports in place of more
space-consuming ISA and PCI slots. If you must have desktop-
style slots, put them in a docking station.
o A good pointing device - the Apple Powerbook and IBM Thinkpad
have some of the best current designs.
o A faster Alpha chip - one that will run emulated Windows apps
at the speed of a 486dx2/66, or better. The Windows notebook
or Macintosh notebook the next passenger is using will be the
standard by which most people judge acceptable performance on
off-the-shelf office applications.
When running native-mode code, the notebook should smoke the
fastest Pentium notebooks by a factor of three or more.
o A 486 emulator, not a 286 emulator.
o A price of $7,500 or less, not $15,000 or more. Keep in mind
that $7,500 is a very expensive, premium pricing point in the
real world. You need to sell at the same price or less that
others charge for Pentiums.
I suggest you talk to some of the people in the PC division for a more
detailed view of today's portable computing market.
|
3609.119 | Its all in the marketing | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Sun May 28 1995 03:31 | 15 |
| > You've got to be kidding. The prospects for such an expensive, heavy, and
> limited device are poor.
>
> If portable Alphas are your game, try setting your sights on
Actually, I think the spec's called for a _luggable_ system.
Here's where fancy marketing comes in:
Build the 2.5 pound portable but also design it so that you can
clip on 2 11 pound lead weights making it an instant luggable.
Ahead of the market _and_ DoD compatible, what more could you ask
for? :-)
re roelof
|
3609.120 | And for the astute observers... | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Sun May 28 1995 03:36 | 5 |
| ...you may ask why _two_ lead weights? Well, so that we can also
market a system with only _one_ lead weight as the "Luggable Lite".
(Do I have to spell out everything?)
re(gards), roelof (who's considering moving over to marketing :-)
|
3609.121 | | TROOA::SOLEY | Fall down, go boom | Sun May 28 1995 13:39 | 13 |
| Seriously, sure this thing has little or no appeal in the mass market
but their might just be enough interest to make it an excellent CSS
project.
The software partner I work most closely with just went out and bought
a bunch of luggable multimedia rigs based on IBM thinkpads, they weight
about 20 pounds, won't run on batteries, cost darn near 20K each and
they are double butt ugly but they love them. Now the Twenty pounds
includes built in speakers and CD player.
There is still a market for luggable systems, a small one, but it's
there.
|
3609.122 | | TLE::REAGAN | All of this chaos makes perfect sense | Tue May 30 1995 10:45 | 4 |
| Sure, I can imagine selling a couple hundred or so... Is that something we
want to do as a business? I don't think so.
-John
|
3609.123 | 25 POUNDS??? Get a Life... | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Tue May 30 1995 12:25 | 14 |
|
For all you CSS types reading this thread - Forget Luggables!
If you cannot make the Alpha Laptop at $7,500 or LESS, weighing under
four pounds, etc. give it up.
The field would rather have something we can sell thousands of, not
two here and one there.
Thank you.
the Greyhawk
|
3609.124 | Thanks for the feedback | CAMRY::HILMAN | eric | Thu Jun 01 1995 17:00 | 25 |
| First, I would like to thank all of you who took the time to respond.
All feedback, especially negative feedback, is very valuable. We will
certainly take into consideration the feelings expressed here in
deciding whether or not to proceed.
We realize that this beast is not for the mass market. We have gotten
several requests lately for a alpha computer system to be mounted
on vehicles (jeeps, planes, ships, etc) in a very rugged environment
(typically military applications) and wanted to see if we have enough
interest to make such a thing worthwhile. Doing a heavy unit would
require very little up front engineering. We are not fool enough to
imagine that anyone would try to use this on their lap flying
on an airplane. (Besides it doesnt even have battery capability).
The situations that we know about involve customers who have a
substantial investment in software that runs on our machines
using existing OSes and who do not want to (or technically cannot)
port it to a PC environment, but want to deploy these applications in
their field locations.
We are still evaluating our options. The feedback from this community is
pretty clear. When something is decided, Ill post a message here.
regards,
eric
|
3609.125 | Hang on a minute... | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Fri Jun 02 1995 03:47 | 11 |
| ...but you captioned your RFI as a Transportable Alpha
System, looking back I see that there was one sentence
stating that a miltary ruggedized version was an option.
Now if you had started off by specifiying a miltiary spec
AlphaRugged System possibly bundled with some "popular" military
applications (whatever those might be, logistics? troop movement
tracking? enemy position detailing on electronic geographic maps?)
then you might have had a different set of reactions...
re roelof
|
3609.126 | Hey computer, where are you | CXXC::REINIG | This too shall change | Fri Jun 02 1995 10:20 | 7 |
| > bundled with some "popular" military applications
Hmmm... preinstalled GPS. Then, when they misplace their dashtop (or
is it tank top?) computer, they can send it email asking it where it
is. It would send email back and we they would know where to find it.
August G. Reinig
|
3609.127 | | SCHOOL::NEWTON | Thomas Newton | Sun Jun 04 1995 03:24 | 19 |
| New solution =
mutual endorsement of Alpha and PowerPC as universal platform chips
(Digital, IBM, Motorola, Alpha, Intel, HP, AMD)
announcement of open business sourcing practices by everyone
port Digital Unix and OpenVMS to PowerPC; same API as on Alpha - so
VAR application vendor port to PowerPC == just a recompile
use standard Apple PowerMac notebooks to run demo software and also
general Macintosh desktop applications (portable computing user
solution)
workplace customers use AlphaStations (which everyone knows are a
lot faster than PowerPCs for workstation OSes and applications;
different-but-overlapping specialties)
What do you think?
|
3609.128 | Thomas, I'm thinking a bipolar syndrome relapse... | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Sun Jun 04 1995 03:52 | 1 |
|
|
3609.130 | | VANGA::KERRELL | DECUS Dublin 11-15 September'95 | Mon Jun 05 1995 04:28 | 10 |
|
TADPOLE STICKS TO HIGH-END STRATEGY
Tadpole, the notebook manufacturer, is resisting pressure to take its
product down-market, sticking instead to a strategy of targeting the
higher end of the sector. The company has confirmed that it still plans
to launch in 1996 its first product based on Digital's Alpha processor.
(Electronics Weekly, London. 31st May 1995)
|
3609.131 | Keep the Faith!! | ODIXIE::GARAVANO | | Wed Jun 21 1995 19:08 | 18 |
| "Rumors"??
A third party "XLvision" "may" do an Alpha Portable,
Tadpole wants to have an Alpha portable on the street 12/94,
Digital CSS is "looking" at an Alpha transportable,
Digital France is "investigating" an Alpha Portable
I see a horse race - with four maybe five jockeys - who will win?
"Only the shadow knows"
My only hope is that someone gets over the finish line before my
customers spend their money elsewhere - Its getting awfully lonely
sitting at the end of the bed telling them "how good its going to
be..."
But I have faith - so lets keep those opportunities "acoming"!
|
3609.132 | PowerPC notebook == Alpha's best friend | SCHOOL::NEWTON | Thomas Newton | Wed Jun 21 1995 20:24 | 6 |
| How about a PowerPC notebook that runs Unix and Windows NT and OpenVMS
which you can use to demo AlphaStation software? PowerPC chips are
supposed to run nice and cool, unlike most speed-optimized Alpha chips.
It might happen if we cut a mutual (Alpha, PowerPC) endorsement/system
manufacturing deal with IBM, and build some shrinkwrap markets...
|
3609.133 | Cartoon break. | KIRKTN::GBRUCE | | Wed Jun 21 1995 20:50 | 4 |
| I'll get that wabbit.
Ah say,ah say what you going on about boy.
Eh what's up Doc.
|
3609.134 | Non-Symbiotic Relationship: GBRUCE <-> NEWTON | HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Thu Jun 22 1995 05:56 | 1 |
|
|
3609.135 | | YIELD::HARRIS | | Thu Jun 22 1995 10:38 | 7 |
| RE: Note 3609.134 by HLDE01::VUURBOOM_R
>Non-Symbiotic Relationship: GBRUCE <-> NEWTON
This relationship will be severed this weekend when GBRUCE is switched
from Digital's network to Motorola's.
|
3609.136 | Manners are far more important at Mama Moto... | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Thu Jun 22 1995 14:01 | 6 |
|
Being an ex-Motorolan, I can personally attest to all the "fun"
GBRUCE is going to have on *that* network....
the Greyhawk
|
3609.137 | Info from Tadpole's WWW site | STAR::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Development | Fri Jun 23 1995 14:44 | 1465 |
|
Attached is the text version of information available at Tadpole's WWW
site at http://www.tadpole.com/
Note the reference to "an agreement with Digital Equipment Corporation
to design and develop a notebook based on Digital's Alpha AXP
architecture."
It is intended that the Alpha notebook will be based on the Pentium
P1000 notebook, so I have appended the P1000 description from the WWW.
The current price for a P1000 with 100mhz Pentium, 256K cache, 8Mb RAM
and 340Mb disk is $6,495.00 on up to $10,495.00 for 64Mb RAM and 810Mb
disk. This information can be used to give you some idea of the
possible configurations and price of the Alpha notebook. The exact
pricing, configuration, availability, and O.S. support have not been
determined for the Alpha model.
-Paul
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TADPOLE TECHNOLOGY
The Global Leader In Workstation-Class Portable Computing
Tadpole Technology is the world's leading designer, developer and
manufacturer of workstation-class portable computers based on the
industry's most advanced, highly integrated CPU architectures. Its
award-winning SPARCbook systems have created a new mobile workstation
market and set the industry standard for portable workstation performance,
portability and design excellence. In November 1994, Tadpole broke new
ground with the introduction of the world's first 100MHz Pentium notebook,
the Tadpole P1000. Now, Tadpole is continuing to advance workstation-class
computing to new levels with the introduction of the SPARCbook 3XP -- the
latest generation SPARCbook.
Tadpole's OEM design and manufacturing capabilities include an agreement
with Digital Equipment Corporation to design and develop a notebook based
based on Digital's Alpha AXP architecture. In addition, Tadpole has OEM
relationships to develop and manufacture high-performance embedded
controllers for such industry leading companies as Polaroid, Xerox, Amdahl,
Texas Instruments, General Electric and Martin Marietta.
Company History
Tadpole Technology Plc, founded in 1983, is headquartered in Cambridge, UK,
and is publicly traded on the London Stock Exchange. Tadpole Technology,
Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary established in 1988, is headquartered in
Austin, Texas. The Company employs over 200 people with direct sales and
support facilities in Cambridge, UK; Austin, TX; Paris, France;
Wendelstein, Germany; and locations in the U.S. including Dallas, TX, Great
Falls, VA, and San Francisco, CA. Tadpole also maintains authorized
resellers throughout Europe and the Asia/Pacific Rim. Until 1992, Tadpole's
main activity was the design and manufacture of board level products and
related operating system software for major OEM customers. That year, after
extensive market research, Tadpole introduced the SPARCbook 1 notebook
workstation, the first in a range of high-performance portable system
products.
The SPARCbook Family
The SPARCbook is fully Sun-compatible and provides access to over 5,000
applications now available on Sun workstations. It is designed for use by
professionals who require workstation performance in a portable notebook
format. As a key component in a corporate MIS structure, the SPARCbook
provides the opportunity to build a fully-integrated, networked environment
from departmental server to notebook computer, extending binary compatible
client-server computing into the field for the first time. SPARCbook
products run SunSoft's Solaris 1 or Solaris 2 UNIX operating environments,
and provide comprehensive communications and networking capabilities.
The SPARCbooks are true workstation-class notebook computers, weighing from
6-8 lbs. and measuring 8.5" x 11.5" x 2.0". SPARCbook models are available
with PCMCIA slots and removable disk drives with capacities from 340MB to
1GB. Full built-in networking and communications capabilities include an
Ethernet interface and an internal Hayes-compatible modem. Other features
include a gray scale or color active matrix TFT LCD, an embedded pointing
device built into the 82-key keyboard and a unique menu-driven power
management system, Tadpole's portable notebook notebook computing
environment.
The second-generation SPARCbook 2 began shipping in early 1993. Then, to
meet the expanding requirements of the SPARC-based system market, the
SPARCbook 3 family -- the SPARCbook 3 and the SPARCbook 3LC -- was
introduced in February 1994. A SPARCbook 3 designed with a Kanji keyboard
and display was introduced to the Japanese market in May 1994.
In February 1995, Tadpole announced its latest-generation SPARCbook 3, the
SPARCbook 3XP, incorporating a faster 85MHz microSPARC II microprocessor
and Weitek P9100 graphics accelerator for the most demanding workstation
applications. The SPARCbook 3XP is available with up to 810MB internal
removable hard disk storage, up to 128MB user-replaceable SIMM memory and
an integrated color TFT active matrix display. In addition to greater
performance, the SPARCbook 3XP provides up to 1.5 times more battery power.
Tadpole's portable notebook computing environment and the Solaris 1.1.2 and
2.4 operating environments are standard features.
Tadpole's Portable Notebook Computing Environment & Solaris Operating
Environment
Tadpole developed the portable notebook computing environment in 1992 to
support mobile UNIX computing. In addition to introducing notebook PC power
management tools to the UNIX operating environment for the first time, NCE
features include a fully SPARC-compliant version of the Solaris operating
environment in less than 55MB and emulation of workstation-class displays
of up to 1024x768 pixels on the built-in TFT display. NCE also provides
built-in facilities for handling E-mail between a SPARCbook and a remote
mail server.
The SPARCbook 3 family features NCE Version 2.0 including a new graphical
interface that makes portable UNIX computing an easy-to-use reality. Users
can now configure different "virtual locations," each with its own network
database, server location and facility, time zone and Internet address, and
can change locations by simple menu selection. Other new features automatic
back-up and synchronization of calendars, shared files and data.
Menu-driven interfaces to the I/O devices, PCMCIA ports, ISDN and modem
connections provide easy-to-use configuration capabilities.
The Tadpole P1000 -- The Industry's Most Powerful PC Notebook
Expanding its design and manufacturing capabilities into the PC notebook
world, in November 1994 Tadpole announced the Tadpole P1000
workstation-class notebook, based on Intel's advanced 100MHz Pentium
815/100 microprocessor. The Tadpole P1000 supports the Windows, Windows NT
and PC UNIX operating environments and features PCI bus bandwidth for
high-performance graphics and data transfer speed
The Tadpole P1000 is the first full 3.3-volt Pentium 815/100 desktop
equivalent in a notebook form factor, providing the memory, graphics and
hard disk storage necessary for performance-hungry applications. This new
workstation-class Pentium notebook, weighing 7.5 lbs. and housed in a
magnesium alloy case measuring 8.5" x 11.8" x 2.0", began shipping in early
1995. Features include 8MB to 128MB of user upgradable random access memory
(RAM); an 810MB removable 2.5-inch SCSI-2 disk drive; 256K Level 2
write-back cache; a 64-bit memory interface; high bandwidth PCI bus;
graphics accelerator; and the popular Lexmark keyboard with embedded
pointing device. Multimedia support includes 16-bit audio and a 1MB video
buffer. Options planned for 1995 include a Mini- and Full-Size Docking
Station.
Tadpole's P1000 Pentium notebook also features the Advanced Notebook
Architecture (ANA), Tadpole's modular design that allows factory upgrades
to future Pentium processors, as well as factory upgradable displays. With
the ANA modular design, Tadpole P1000 users can upgrade their own system
memory and hard disk drives.
Portable Workstation Applications
Tadpole's workstation-class notebook computers provide uncompromised
desktop computing power for a variety of high-performance applications,
including: financial services; field service, diagnostics and testing;
real-time data analysis and statistical modeling; network management and
remote systems administration; mechanical CAD and 3D modeling; PC video
rendering; technical training; software development and testing; advanced
database search and retrieval; GPS, GIS and mapping; printed circuit board
(PCB) design; and multimedia presentations.
OEM Board Products Group
Tadpole's expertise in RISC and CISC processors and ASIC design, coupled
with UNIX and Real Time Operating Systems, is available to major OEM
customers in the systems and embedded marketplaces through the company's
OEM Board Products Group. With hardware experience spanning VME bus,
Multibus II and Futurebus, processor experience with 68000, 88000, 80860,
SPARC, and PowerPC, and software expertise in UNIX and Real Time Operating
System porting, Tadpole is uniquely positioned to solve OEM time-to-market
issues in the high technology computing field. Tadpole's OEM Board Products
Group also designs, manufactures and markets a family of high-performance
board-level products including the Tadpole TP91 and TP912 Embedded SPARC
and microSPARC II Controllers.
Tadpole Manufacturing Facilities
Tadpole manufactures to the exacting standards and procedures required by
the world's major corporations. The Company's facility at Cambridge Science
Park, Cambridge, England is dedicated to the production of double-sided,
surface-mount printed circuit boards and to assembly of the SPARCbook and
Tadpole P1000. Tadpole's Austin, Texas, facility performs final test and
assembly for the SPARCbook and Tadpole P1000 products for the United States
and Asia/Pacific Rim markets.
Tadpole Sales and Support
Tadpole is committed to total customer satisfaction with a complete program
of hardware service and software support. Tadpole sells direct in the
United States, UK, France and Germany. The SPARCbook is also available
through SunExpress and through authorized resellers located throughout the
United States, Europe, Japan, the Pacific Rim and Australia. The Tadpole
P1000 is available worldwide through Tadpole's partners and specialist
value added resellers. In January 1995, Tadpole launched "Team Tadpole," a
strategic recruitment and marketing and operations support program for VARs
and system integrators.
Commitment To Excellence
Tadpole affirms a corporate commitment to maintaining the highest possible
quality in design, production and the level of service provided to clients.
This is reflected in the experience and skills offered by the Company's
senior managers, as well as in the high level of technical expertise within
the development and support teams.
Tadpole is further committed to bringing state-of-the-art system and
board-level products, including the Tadpole P1000 and award-winning
SPARCbook systems, to market in a timely fashion. With over eleven years of
experience in designing UNIX systems and highly-integrated single board
computers, Tadpole's design teams offer a unique mix of technical expertise
in hardware and software development. Tadpole will continue to invest
heavily in product development and in strengthening its organization to
provide the best possible services to its customers.
Note: SPARCbook is a trademark of SPARC Intl Inc, licensed to Tadpole
Technology. Save and Resume is a trademark of Tadpole Technology. All other
trademarks used herein are the property of their respective owners.
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Tadpole P1000
Technical Product Overview
CONTENTS
I. OVERVIEW
II. DESCRIPTION
III. HARDWARE OUTLINE SPECIFICATIONS
IV. OPTIONS/VARIANTS/DELIVERABLES
V. SOFTWARE SUPPORT
I. OVERVIEW
1.1 Tadpole P1000
Tadpole P1000 is a P54C 100MHz (Pentium) based product based on
the Tadpole Advanced Notebook Architecture (ANA) format. The Tadpole
P1000 allows the use of off-the-shelf operating systems including
DOS 6.22, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, Windows NT, Windows 95,
Solaris x86/PC UNIX and OS/2 Warp on a notebook computer with
workstation-class performance.
The Tadpole P1000 is available with a choice of removable hard
disk drives: 340MB, 520MB and 810MB capacity, on-board DRAM from
8MB to 128MB, and a 10.4" color active-matrix TFT display.
A variety of ports on the rear panel, including External Floppy,
Video, Headphones, Parallel, and External Mouse, as well as the
PCMCIA Type III bay, allow connection to industry standard peripherals.
An internal battery pack provides mobile operation for up to 2
hours on a single charge. In addition, a mono microphone and mono
miniature speaker are integrated into the P1000 case, allowing
standalone voice recording and playback.
The Tadpole P1000 ships with an external, low-profile floppy disk
drive, internal battery pack and leather carry case. Available
accessories include an external battery charger, a high capacity
external battery pack, an external
CD-ROM drive and a car adapter. A Mini-Docking Station
accessory allows easy and convenient attachment of Tadpole P1000 to workplace
services, and increases the range of available ports.
1.2 Advanced Notebook Architecture
The Tadpole Advanced Notebook Architecture (ANA) provides a common
baseboard that supports all peripheral and I/O functions through
an industry-standard PCI architecture, and an exchangeable processor
and main memory board that provides the processing resource. The
processor module may be upgraded as new processors are available
or may be 'sidegraded' to include a completely different major
microprocessor architecture.
II. Description
2.1 Physical
The Tadpole P1000 is housed in a high-strength magnesium alloy
case with overall dimensions 11.8" x 8.5" x 2.0"
(de facto notebook computer footprint). The weight of the unit
with internal battery installed is 7.5lb (3.4kg). The lid of the
unit opens to allow use of the integral Lexmark keyboard with
integrated pointing stick and high-quality color display.
Internally, the processor, main memory, cache memory, and PCI
interface reside on the exchangeable processor module, which connects
to the ANA baseboard through high-density connectors. The physical
arrangement of the processor module is such that the processor
and other high- power components are upside-down in the conventional
sense, and close to the magnesium base of the system. This allows
use of innovative conductive cooling methods to dissipate the
heat to the system case, effectively using the case as a heat
sink.
2.2 Processor Module
The Pentium 815/100 processor is clocked at l00MHz and is connected
directly to the Intel PCI 3.3V/5V chipset to manage the DRAM,
cache and PCI interface. CPU speed is l00MHz internal clock and
66MHz bus. The second-level 256KB write-back cache is implemented
using 12nS (at l00MHz) asynchronous SRAM chips.
Main memory is provided by up to 128MB DRAM in two 72-pin SIMM
memory modules. Both SIMMs must be changed at the same time when
upgrading memory (the memory is 64 bits wide). Available memory
configurations include:
Size Organization DRAM technology Speed
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8MB Two lMx36 SIMMs 4MBit 80nS
16MB Two 2Mx36 SIMMs 4MBit 80nS
32MB Two 4Mx36 SIMMs 4MBit 80nS
64MB Two 8Mx36 SIMMs 16Mbit 80nS
128MB Two 16Mx36 SIMMs 16MBit 80nS
The memory devices used support the ultra-low power self-refresh (Sleep)
mode, which allows the data in the memory array to be preserved using very
little power while the reset of the system is powered off. This may be used
under software control to implement the system 'Save' function. The
processor module provides a PCI interface to the high-speed peripherals
situated on the ANA base board. Low speed devices such as serial and
parallel ports are accessed on a ISA bus off the main PCI bus.
2.3 ANA Base Board
The ANA base board is based on an industry-standard PCI bus clocked at
33MHz (at a processor clock speed of l00MHz) and provides the following
principal resources on the PCI bus:
2.3.1 SCSI Controller
A SCSI interface is provided using the NCR 53C810, accessed directly from
the PCI bus. The 53C810 supports SCSI-2 (synchronous) up to l0MB/s.
2.3.2 Flat panel display and external video
The integral flat panel display and external VGA interface are controlled
by a WD9024A2 accessed directly from the PCI bus. Both external CRT and
internal TFT displays can be driven simultaneously up to 640x480 (VGA
resolution). The external CRT interface can drive external monitors at
resolutions up to 1024x768. The WD9024A2 manages its own local lMB DRAM
video frame buffer. Standard and enhanced VGA modes include:
* 640x480 256 colors from 256K Internal and External Display
* 640x480 64K 16-bit true color mode Internal and External Display
* 800x600 256 colors from 256K External Display
* 1024x768 256 colors from 256K External Display
2.3.3 PCMCIA
The ANA base board implements a Type III PCMCIA slot. This type of slot
allows either one Type III card (e.g., a PCMCIA HDD) to be installed, or up
to two Type II cards (e.g., a PCMCIA modem) or up to two Type I cards
(e.g., 'credit card' SRAM). The PCMCIA port is managed by a Cirrus Logic
CL-PD6279 accessed directly from the PCI bus.
2.3.4 ISA Bus Bridge Chip
The interface from PCI to ISA is provided by an Intel 82378ZB SIO that
provides DMA, counter/timer, address decode and interrupt control
functions. Eight DMA channels are provided, three of which are used
internally, leaving 5 for system use. Three counter/timers are also
provided. The SIO also performs some address decode functions and manages
interrupts on up to 16 IRQ lines.
The ISA bus provides the following lower-speed system resources:
o Microcontroller Interface (ISA)
A Hitachi H8 microcontroller is responsible for turning the
system on and off, controlling the character LCD status display,
battery charging and power and thermal management. The microcontroller
also combines the internal and external mouse and keyboard data
streams and feeds this combined data stream into the keyboard
interface chip.
o Keyboard and Mouse Interface
The keyboard interface is provided by an Intel 87C42 chip
preprogrammed with Phoenix software that handles both the internal and
external keyboards. Internal and external mouse data streams are
combined and passed back to the host through the 87C42.
o Super I/O Chip
The serial, parallel and floppy disk interfaces are provided by a
National Semiconductor PC87312. The serial port is accessible via the
Mini-Docking Station. The parallel interface is the industry standard
PC printer interface. The floppy drive interface may be directly
attached to a PC-style floppy drive (bundled accessory) and will
directly control the drive without any additional components. One DMA
channel is assigned to the floppy drive controller.
o FLASH ROM
The ANA base board provides up to lMB of FLASH ROM using two
AM29F040 devices. The top 64K of this is automatically mapped to the
top of the 4GB address space so that a reset vector may be fetched
from it. Additional hardware maps the flash ROM to address 0xF00000 in
ISA memory, where the whole ROM may be accessed at contiguous
addresses.
o RTC/NVRAM
The real time clock ('RTC') and non-volatile RAM ('NVRAM') are
provided by a BQ4285, which also includes 8K of battery-backed
configuration RAM.
o Audio
A Crystal Semiconductor CS4231 provides simultaneous recording
and playback of audio data up to 16-bit stereo at 48kHz. Two DMA
channels (see ISA Bus bridge chip) are assigned to the CS4231.
2.4 Removable Hard Disk Drive
The RHDD is powered entirely from the main system unit. A RHDD Housing unit
which operates outside a main system unit may be purchased as an accessory
product (see Optional Accessories). The RHDD Housing unit allows external
RHDD operation off the main system unit's external SCSI bus.
The RHDD may be removed upon shutting down the system and removing the
drive. The RHDD may be installed into a docking bay in the main system
unit, and is locked/unlocked by sliding the outer cover, which also
functions as a handle for removal.
A SCSI-2 interface is supported through a miniature D (leaf type) connector
that is specified for over 10,000 insert/remove cycles. SCSI ID selection
is made by adjusting three DIP switches on the rear edge of the RHDD.
2.5 Internal Display
A 10.4" diagonal Hitachi color active-matrix TFT flat panel display is
provided on the Tadpole P1000 as standard. This display supports the VGA
standard of 640 x 480 pixels, supports the display of up to 64K colors
simultaneously or 256 colors from a palette of 256K, and can be run
simultaneously with an external monitor at the same resolution.
2.6 Internal Keyboard
A Lexmark M6 full-travel keyboard is provided on the Tadpole P1000 as
standard. This keyboard includes a pointing stick device (operating on the
strain gauge principle) located between the G, H and B keys, that can be
used to move a mouse pointer around the screen by pressing it in the
required direction.
The pointing stick is supplemented by three mouse keys located below the
space bar, which allow convenient use of the pointing stick and mouse keys
without breaking from a normal touch typing position. Three mouse keys are
provided rather than the PC norm of two, so that future OS loads that
require three keys will be supported without modification.
2.7 Visual Indicators
Two LEDs are provided for visual indication of Power On and Battery Low.
The LEDs are visible with the case opened or closed. In addition, a
character LCD display of 2 lines of 16 characters is visible when the case
is opened and provides a dashboard status display of low-level system
status such as disk activity, network activity and power 'gas gauge'
displays.
2.8 Audio
The ANA base board provides facilities for simultaneous recording and
playback of audio data up to 16-bit stereo at 48kHz. A stereo headphone
output is provided on the rear panel. Full stereo audio I/O facilities are
available through the Mini-Docking Station. In addition a mono electret
microphone and mono miniature speaker are integrated into the Pl000 case,
allowing stand-alone voice recording and playback.
2.9 Rear Panel
The ANA base board provides a standard rear panel layout that allows direct
connection to an external floppy drive, an external monitor, a PC-style
printer interface, an external mouse and headphones. DC power is supplied
through an industry-standard 5.5mm DC jack. In addition, a high-density
connector allows the attachment of an optional Mini-Docking Station
accessory that allows easy and convenient attachment of the main system
unit to workplace services, and increases the range of available ports.
Standard I/O provided on Rear Panel:
Interface Function Connector type
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I/O Floppy 20 pin high density connector (Hosiden)
External Video l5 pin D-type (VGA)
Parallel Port 25 pin D-type (PC)
Mouse 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2)
Audio 3.5mm stereo headphone jack socket
Power DC In 5.5mm Hosiden power jack socket
Mini-Docking Station High-density connector for expansion
Additional I/O available through Mini-Docking Station:
Interface Function Connector type
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Mass storage SCSI-2 50 pin mini-D SCSI-2
Serial RS232 9 pin D-type
Keyboard External 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2)
Audio Stereo I/O 8 pin mini-DIN (Sun compatible)
2.10 Battery Packs
ANA supports two types of battery pack for mobile use. An internal battery
pack of 10 x 'A' Nickel Metal/Hydride (NiMH) cells provides mobile
operation for up to 2 hours on a single charge. This pack can be removed
and exchanged for a fully charged pack if required. The internal battery
pack is charged inside the system when AC power is connected and may be
charged outside the system unit using the optional storage/charger
accessory.
For longer term mobile use, an external battery pack of 10 x 'D' Nickel
Cadmium cells provides mobile operation for up to 6 hours on a single
charge. This accessory may be attached to the rear panel of the system unit
(in which case the I/O ports are not accessible) or remotely tethered using
a DC power cord, providing access to I/O ports. The cord is of an
appropriate length to allow the external battery pack to be placed on the
floor of an aircraft cabin and power a system unit at knee or table height,
for instance. The external battery pack may be charged direct from the main
system unit's AC adapter.
2.11 Approvals
EMC Certification
o FCC Part 15 Class B
Safety Approvals
o UL
o cUL
o CE
o EN60950
III. HARDWARE OUTLINE SPECIFICATIONS
PHYSICAL
o Dimensions:
+ Height: 2.0" 51mm
+ Width: 11.8" 300mm
+ Length: 8.5" 216mm
o Weight with battery: 7.5 lb 3.4kg
o Case: Magnesium AZ9l
o Color Powder coat
CPU MODULE
o CPU: Intel 815/100 Pentium
o Clock speed 100MHz
EXTERNAL CACHE
o 256KB level 2 write-back cache
MEMORY
o SIMMs
+ Total: 8, 16, 32, 64, 128MB
+ Quantity: 2 (must be exchanged as a pair)
+ Size: 4, 8, 16, 32 or 64MB
+ Type: low power self-refresh (support sleep)
+ Voltage 5.0V
REMOVABLE HARD DISK
o Physical
+ Form factor: 2.5"
+ Dimensions: 1.1" x 3.25" x 5.08"
+ Weight: 280g (0.6lb)
o Interface
+ SCSI-2 40-way 0.050" leaf-type connector
+ SCSI ID Selectable 0-7 (3 DIP switches)
o Capacity
+ Formatted
+ 340MB IBM
+ 520MB Toshiba
+ 81OMB IBM
o Performance
+ Asynchronous: 5.0MB/sec (maximum)
+ Synchronous: 10.0MB/sec (maximum)
INTERNAL DISPLAY
o Size: Diagonal: 10.4"
o Resolution: 640 x 480 pixels (VGA)
o Colors: Up to 64K or 256 colors from 256K
o Type: TFT color: Thin Film Transistor active matrix
o Backlight: CFL: Single Tube, low power
INTERNAL KEYBOARD
o Physical
+ Matrix: Full travel keys on tactile membrane
+ Manufacturer Lexmark Model M6
Pointing Stick Integrated
o Pointing stick (strain gauge type) located between G, H and B keys
o Keyboard
+ U.S. variant 82 keys
+ International 84 keys
o Mouse buttons: 3 buttons; Located below space bar
VISUAL INDICATORS
o Power On: LED: Green
o Battery Low: LED: Red
o Status: Character: 2 lines of 16 chars for system status
AUDIO
o Data Rate:
+ Stereo: up to 16-bit stereo at 48kHZ
o Audio:
+ Output:
+ Integrated mono miniature speaker
+ Stereo headphone jack (on rear panel)
+ Stereo line out (via Mini-Docking Station)
+ Input:
+ Integrated mono electret microphone
+ Stereo line in (via Mini-Docking Station)
REAR PANEL
o I/O
+ Floppy: 20 pin high density connector (Hosiden)
+ Ext. Video: 15 pin (3 row) D-type (VGA)
+ Parallel Port: 25 pin D-type (PC)
+ Mouse: 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2)
+ Audio: 3.5mm stereo headphone jack socket
o Power
+ DC In: 5.5mm Hosiden power jack socket
o Expansion
+ Docking Station: High-density connector for expansion
PCMCIA PORT
o Access: Side of system
o Supports:
+ Type III: One Type III card
+ Type I/II: Up to two Type I/II cards
INTERNAL BATTERY PACK
o Internal
+ Chemistry: NiMH
+ Arrangement: 10 x 'A' cells, user exchangeable pack
+ Capacity: 2.0Ah
+ Endurance: Up to 2 hours
POWER
o +12V supply
APPROVALS
o EMC:
+ FCC Class B: FCC ID
+ CE Mark: EN55022/50082-1
o Safety:
+ UL: US
+ cUL: Canada
+ EN60950: EC
ENVIRONMENTAL
o Temperature:
+ Operating: 10 to 40 �C (limiting component: display)
+ NonOperating: -20 to 60 �C (limiting component: display)
o Humidity:
+ NonCondensing: 85% (limiting component: display)
IV. OPTIONS/VARIANTS/DELIVERABLES
Order Code:
Xl-dddCmmmcc
Description of Deliverables:
Tadpole P1000 system unit, including:
o ddd = disk size in MB
o C = TFT color screen, 10.4" 640x480 (VGA)
o mmm = main memory size in MB
o cc = country code
o Cable pack
o AC adapter with cc mains cord
o One Internal 'A' cell battery pack (10xA NiMH)
o Leather (hide) portfolio case
o 1.44MB External TEAC floppy drive
o DOS 6.22 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 preloaded
o User documentation: User's Guide
V. SOFTWARE SUPPORT
5.1 Operating Systems
DOS 6.22 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 are available.
5.2 BIOS
Software support for Tadpole P1000 is provided under the Phoenix BIOS to be
shipped with the product. The external interface of the BIOS is compatible
with the common operating systems for Intel platforms including DOS,
Windows for Workgroups, and future supported OS' s including Windows 95,
Windows NT and PC UNIX.
The Phoenix NoteBIOS for Pentium has been licensed from Phoenix and
consists of the following BIOS and BIOS extensions;
o PhoenixBIOS version 4.x
o PhoenixMISER: Power Management
o Phoenix VIEW/LC: Video BIOS
o Phoenix FLASH and ROM and setup routines: Flash ROM support
o PhoenixCARD Manager Plus version 3.0 (PCM+): Phoenix PCMCIA support
o Phoenix PCI BIOS extension: Phoenix PCI support
o Intel Plug and Play BIOS extension version l.la: Plug and Play BIOS
5.3 Power Management
The BIOS provides support for the standard DOS/Windows power management.
Powering off the display, spinning down the hard disk and other power
saving options are supported. The level of power saving to be applied will
be user-configurable.
Tadpole P1000 can be placed in a sleep mode where all system functions
except the DRAM are powered off. Sleep mode will last 2-3 days on a full
battery pack. At battery exhaustion the system will be automatically saved.
A Save/Resume mode where the current working environment is saved to disk
is also supported.
All trademarks acknowledged. Copyright 1994, 1995 Tadpole Technology.
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THE FIRST NOTEBOOK PC FEATURING
THE 100MHZ INTEL 815/100 PENTIUM PROCESSOR
Introducing the Tadpole P1000 Notebook PC Workstation.
Tadpole Technology established itself as the foremost manufacturer of
portable UNIX workstations by building machines that provide unparalleled
levels of performance, integration and expandability for the most demanding
computer users. Now many of the same qualities that have made Tadpole's
UNIX workstations world leaders can be found in the Tadpole P1000, the
first notebook PC to provide workstation-class performance for MS-DOS,
Windows, Windows 95, Windows NT and Solaris/PC UNIX users.
The Tadpole P1000 packs the power of today's highest-performance desktop
PCs into a remarkably compact, lightweight notebook chassis, making it the
ultimate portable solution for the most demanding applications. Whether
your business is multimedia development and presentation, financial
trading, CAD, software demonstration, field sales or GIS/mapping, the
Tadpole P1000 has enough power and features to permanently replace your
desktop machine. And it gives you the flexibility to take all that power
wherever you go.
High-end desktop performance hits the road.
The Tadpole P1000 is based on the 100MHz Intel 815/100 Pentium processor,
the most powerful processor now implemented in notebook personal computers
based on the Intel x86 architecture. The processor operates at 3.3 volts
for lower power consumption and cooler operation, without the extra weight,
noise and power drain of cooling fans. A number of system enhancements
further improve application and I/O performance, such as an integrated
256KB Level 2 write-back cache and the use of a PCI bus for high-speed
system access to graphics, PCMCIA and SCSI interfaces.
The ideal configuration for today. And tomorrow.
Like all Tadpole portable workstations, the P1000 uses a fully modular
architecture that's designed to grow and change with your needs. The
processor can be factory-upgraded to future Pentium processors, or in the
future, "sidegraded" to other architectures. Removable SCSI-2 hard-disk
drives are available with capacities up to 810MB today, and even larger
capacities in the future. Memory can be user-upgraded using
industry-standard SIMMs in configurations up to 128MB. And two PCMCIA slots
give you a choice of using two TypeI/II devices, or one Type III card. With
all this flexibility, the Tadpole P1000 is a smart investment that you will
be using for years to come.
Advanced audio/video features come standard.
All the A/V features you need for multimedia presentations, software
demonstrations and other graphics-intensive applications are already built
into the Tadpole P1000. The 10.4" true-color TFT panel is one of the
largest, brightest screens available on any portable, so the Tadpole P1000
isn't just easy on the eyes -- it's also a powerful presentation tool.
With 1MB of video RAM, the Tadpole P1000 displays 65,536 colors at 640 x
480 resolution, and uses a built-in graphics accelerator for superb
graphics response. For presentations to large groups, the Tadpole P1000
supports resolutions up to 1024 x 768 on external displays and projectors.
Integrated 16-bit stereo audio for CD-quality sound, an internal microphone
and speaker, and audio in/out ports round out the A/V functions.
And we've added just the right finishing touches.
The Lexmark Keyboard used on the Tadpole P1000 is renowned for its
outstanding tactile response, and the integral pointing stick device gives
precise fingertip control of the cursor. All these features are combined
into a rugged magnesium case that sets the industry standard for durability
and light weight. The Tadpole P1000 also comes standard with an external
1.44MB floppy-disk drive, and a custom leather portfolio case that protects
your image as well as your investment.
Like all of our products, the Tadpole P1000 is backed by Tadpole
Technology's commitment to total customer satisfaction. It's a commitment
that responds to the needs of the most demanding users through all aspects
of design, testing, service and support.
Never before have so many powerful features and so much versatility been
packed into a notebook PC that's tough enough for the real world. So if
your looking for the kind of portable performance that only the Tadpole
P1000 can offer, call Tadpole today at 1-800-232-6656.
The Tadpole P1000 is a no-compromise system that puts all the performance
and features of a high-end desktop computer into a tough, notebook-sized
portable.
* Runs off-the-shelf operating systems including MS-DOS, Windows, Windows
NT,Windows 95, and Solaris/PC UNIX
* 100MHz Intel 815/100 Pentium processor on PCI
* 8MB to 128MB of user-upgradable DRAM
* 340/520/810MB user-removable hard-disk drive
* Weighs 7.5 lb including battery
TADPOLE P1000 SPECIFICATIONS
Processor
100MHz Intel 815/100 Pentium processor
Level 2 Cache
256KB write-back
Memory
8MB to 128MB using two user-upgradable SIMMs
JEDEC-standard, 36-bit, 70nS, 64-bit wide data path
Storage
User-removable 2.5" SCSI-2 hard disk drive: choice of 340MB (standard),
520MB (optional) or 810MB (optional)
External 3.5" 720KB/1.44MB ultra-low profile floppy-disk drive
Weight: 0.5 lb
Dimensions: 5.75" x 4.125" x 0.5"
Internal Display
10.4" thin-film transistor (TFT) active matrix true-color
Display Modes
Internal VGA-compatible
640 x 480 256 colors from 262,144
640 x 480 65,536 colors in true-color mode
External Display
640 x 480 Simultaneous operation
800 x 600 256 colors from 262,144
1024 x 768 256 colors from 262,144
Graphics Hardware
PCI-based WD90C24A2 RocketCHIP
1MB video RAM
Keyboard/Pointing Device
Lexmark Model M6 82-key, including built-in numerical keypad;
integrated pointer and three mouse buttons
Multilingual options
PCMCIA
PCI-based PCMCIA 2.0 interface
Supports two Type I/II cards or one Type III card
Hot Swap, Plug and Play support
INPUT/OUTPUT
Floppy-disk drive connector
External video
Parallel port
Mouse port
Stereo headphones
Docking station interface
MINI-DOCKING STATION (OPTIONAL)
Port replicator functionality
Includes all back-panel I/O ports
Adds SCSI, serial port, audio I/O and keyboard
MODULAR UPGRADES
User-upgradable: Hard-disk drive
Main memory
Factory-upgradable: Processor module
I/O module
Display module
AUDIO
Stereo, 16-bit to 48KHz
Windows Sound Blaster-compatible
Built-in speaker and microphone
BATTERY OPTIONS
Internal: Removable, rechargeable 12V 2.0AH NiMH; up to 2 hours typical
operating time with power management; weight: 0.9 lb
External (optional): Rechargeable 12V 5.7AH NiCd; up to 6 hours typical
operating time with power management; weight: 4 lb
POWER SUPPLY/CHARGER
Universal input: 110-240V AC, 50-60Hz
Output: 12V DC
Weight: 0.5 Ib
Dimensions: 4.25" x 2.75" x 1.0"
SOFTWARE
Phoenix NoteBIOS Version 4 in 1MB Flash field-upgradable ROM
PhoenixCARD Manager Plus (PCM+) PCMCIA card and socket services
Intel Plug and Play BIOS Extensions
PhoenixMISER Power Management
Supports APM, Sleep and Suspend/Resume functions
MS-DOS 6.22 or latest version
Windows for Workgroups 3.11 or latest version
Video for Windows 1.1 or latest version
CASE
Magnesium alloy metal case
DIMENSIONS
11.8" x 8.5" x 2.0"
WEIGHT
7.5 lb including battery
APPROVALS
FCC part 15 class B ID:
Tadpole P1000 System Unit: FCC ID: JI8X1
Tadpole P1000 Mini-Docking Station FCC ID: JI8T2MD
UL, cUL - pending
CE, EN60950
FOR MORE INFORMATION
TADPOLE TECHNOLOGY INC
12012 Technology Blvd. / Austin, TX 78727
USA
1 800 232-6656 / 512 219-2200
Fax: 512 219-2222
TADPOLE TECHNOLOGY PLC
Cambridge Science Park / Milton Road
Cambridge / CB4 4WQ
England
01223 428200 / Fax: 01223 428201
TADPOLE TECHNOLOGY SA
Petite Montagne Sud / 3 Rue Gevaudan
Evolic K C.E. 1735 / 91047 EVRY Cedex
France
1 60 86 27 92 / Fax: 1 60 86 27 89
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Copyright 1995 Tadpole Technology Inc.
Specifications subject to change without prior notice.
Pentium is a trademark, and Intel and the
Intel Inside Logo are registered trademarks, of Intel Corp.
Windows is a trademark, and MS-DOS is a registered trademark, of Microsoft
Corporation.
All other trademarks or registered trademarks used herein
are the property of their respective holders.
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Tadpole P1000 Mini-Docking Station
Complete Connectivity to Peripherals
The Tadpole Mini-Docking Station allows easy and convenient attachment of
the Tadpole P1000 system unit to workplace services and increases the range
of available ports. Using a high-density 260-pin connector, the
Mini-Docking Station replicates all system unit I/O and includes additional
I/O capability.
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I/O Provided on Rear Panel of the Tadpole P1000
External Floppy Disk
3.5" 1.44MB ultra low-profile floppy disk drive; 20 pin Hosiden high
density female
External Video
Supports up to 1024 x 786; 15 pin (3 row) D-type female
Parallel Port
25 pin D-type female
External Mouse
PS/2 Mouse, 6 pin mini-DIN female
Stereo headphones
3.5mm stereo headphone jack socket
DC in
5.5mm Hosiden power jack socket
Docking Station
High-density expansion connector (female)
Additional I/O available through Mini-Docking Station
SCSI-2
50 pin mini-D SCSI-2 female
Serial
RS232, 9 pin D-type male
External Keyboard
PS/2 Keyboard, 6 pin mini-DIN female
Stereo Audio
8 pin mini-DIN female
Weight
1.3 lbs.
Dimensions
11 5/8" x 2" x 2.5"
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TADPOLE TECHNOLOGY INC
12012 Technology Blvd. / Austin, TX 78727
USA
1 800 232-6656 / 512 219-2200
Fax: 512 219-2222
TADPOLE TECHNOLOGY PLC
Cambridge Science Park / Milton Road
Cambridge / CB4 4WQ
England
44 1223 428200 / Fax: 44 1223 428201
TADPOLE TECHNOLOGY SA
Petite Montagne Sud / 3 Rue Gevaudan
Evolic K C.E. 1735 / 91047 EVRY Cedex
France
1 60 86 27 92/ Fax: 1 60 86 27 89
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Tadpole Series 2
External Battery Pack
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Extend your productivity on the road
The P1000 External Battery Pack option makes you more productive in mobile
applications. This high capacity battery pack provides 5 hours typical
usage without using AC power, depending on the power saving options
selected on the P1000. The battery pack is based on ten Nickel-Cadmium
(NiCd) "D" sized cells and includes its own intelligent charging circuit
allowing stand-alone charging away from the main system unit.
Plug into a new way of working
Weighing 4 lbs, the External Battery Pack can be latched directly to the
real panel of the P1000, keeping the keyboard at a convenient typing angle.
It can also be operated remotely using the extension cable, allowing all
rear panel ports on the P1000 to be accessed by the user. The cable is
approximately 39" long, allowing the battery pack to be placed on the floor
while the main system unit is operated at knee height.
Specifications
Physical
Dimensions
Height (max) 76mm (3.0")
Width 73mm (2.9")
Length 321mm (12.64")
Weight
Excl. cable 1.73Kg (3.8lb)
All up 1.84Kg (4.06 lb)
Capacity
Fully charged 5.7Ah@ 12V (68.4Wh) nominal
Interface
P1000
Connector 5-way custom connector (direct to P1000); 5-way extension cable
(1m)
DC in Hosiden 5.5mm DC jack (centre +ve)
Power
(+12V supply)
Fast charge 3A (typical)
Trickle charge 0.4A (typical)
Environmental
Discharge range 5 to 50C
Charging range 17 to 35C (mass to confirm)
Non operating -40 to 70C
Temperature
Approvals
EMC FCC Class B
Tadpole Technology Inc.
12012 Technology Blvd. / Austin, TX 78727
1 800 232-6656 / 512 219-2200
Fax: 512 219-2222
Email: [email protected]
Tadpole Technology Plc
Cambridge Science Park / Milton Road
Cambridge / CB4 4WQ
England
44 1223 428200 / Fax: 44 1223 428201
Tadpole Technology SA
Petite Montagne Sud / 3 Rue Gevaudan
Evolic K C.E 1735 / 91047 EVRY Cedex
France
1 60 86 27 92 / Fax: 1 60 86 27 89
All trademarks used herein being to their respective companies. Copyright
1994 Tadpole Technology.
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ANDREW SEYBOLD'S OUTLOOK ON MOBILE COMPUTING
Volume 2, Number 11 ISSN: 1066-8845 November 30,1994
The Outlook Award for Engineering Excellence
Tadpole Technology P1000, a Pentium-based portable computer
A REAL 100-Mhz Portable Computer
While other companies at Comdex/Fall were showing their first "Pentium
based" notebook computers--systems based upon a 486 design with a 75 MHz
Pentium processor thrown in--one company exhibiting in the North Hall was
showing what is truly the first Pentium-based portable computer, and it is
based on a 100MHz Pentium processor!
For many years, Tadpole Technology, located in the United Kingdom and
Austin, Texas, has been the leading-edge company in the development of
portable workstations with three generations of SPARCbook notebook
workstations and the only PowerPC-based RS/6000 N40 notebook on the market.
These high-end systems are designed for workstation applications, and
customers include the Federal Government as well as users who need a
no-compromise workstation-class machine in a portable package.
It was only natural for Tadpole to turn its attention to the Pentium
processor, the first of Intel's CPUs that can provide workstation-class
performance. Unlike other Pentium notebooks announced at Comdex, the
Tadpole P1000 is the only portable computer that was designed and built
from the ground up to capitalize on the performance capabilities of the
Pentium processor.
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The System
The P1000 is designed around the Intel 3.3-volt Pentium 815/100 micro
processor. It includes a number of breakthroughs, including system memory
of up to 128 MB, 256K secondary write-back cache, 64-bit memory interface,
high-capacity removable disk storage, and it is housed in a magnesium alloy
case.
The P1000 is much more than a portable Pentium-based system, however.
First, it is a top-performing Pentium-based system that meets or exceeds
all of the performance ratings of desktop systems that are Pentium-based.
Further, it is housed in a portable case and powered by a battery.
Under The Hood
The magnesium alloy case that houses the P1000 measures 11.8 x 8.5 x 2
inches. The entire system, including the internal battery, weighs in at
just 7.5 pounds. Although heat build-up can be a serious problem with a
100-MHz Pentium processor, the P1000 has been elegantly engineered to
prevent it. A special "chimney" type of ventilation system is used to pull
heat away from the processor and motherboard. As a result, the P1000 runs
cooler, without a fan, than many desktop systems that employ cooling fans.
The balance of the specifications are just as impressive: RAM, 8 MB
expandable to 128; 340-, 520-, and 810-MB removable hard drives; a
10.4-inch active-matrix color TFT display (640 x 480 VGA with 64K colors,
in 16-bit true color mode) and external monitor support up to 1024 x 768 in
256 colors from a 256K palate. PCMCIA slots are also part of this system.
The P1000 includes slots for two Type II or one Type III card. The keyboard
includes an integrated pointing stick (like the IBM Trackpoint), and the
keyboard is full-featured and full-sized.
On the back of the system, the user will find ports for an external mouse,
external video, a parallel port, floppy disk drive, and a headphone jack. A
mini-docking station option uses a 260-pin expansion connector to provide
all the direct I/O ports and additional interfaces for SCSI, stereo audio
I/O, an external keyboard, and a serial port.
An external 3.5-inch floppy disk drive provides floppy access to the
system. A comprehensive mini-docking station, an external 810-MB hard
drive, and an external NiCad battery pack are available as options. The
standard two-hour battery that mounts internally is a NiMH (Nickel Metal
Hydride) battery. Adding the external clip-on battery results in increasing
battery run time to about eight hours of operation. A full-featured docking
station will be available in the first quarter of 1995, and it will feature
a CD-ROM drive, a fixed SCSI hard drive, a removable hard drive, three
16-bit ISA expansion slots with a 16-bit Ethernet adapter card, and a
1.44-MB floppy drive.
PCI-Based SCSI
In addition to all of the cache and other optimization (fast hard disks,
etc. ) Tadpole has designed into the P1000, it is, as far as we know, the
first portable computer to incorporate a PCI-bus architecture, further
enhancing its performance and flexibility. The P1000 is also Windows
95-ready, and includes a plug-and-play BIOS that is field upgradable.
Pricing
The P1000 will be available in early 1995 through Tadpole's direct sales
force and direct sales operation in the United States (800-232-6656) as
well as in the United Kingdom and France.
Since this is the top-performing notebook computer in captivity, you would
expect to be told, "If you have to ask the price, you cannot afford it."
However, in comparison to many of the major-brand 486/DX2 and DX4 products
announced around the same time, considering the specifications and
performance of the system, the price seems low. An entry-level P1000 with 8
MB of RAM, a 10.4-inch TFT color display, a 340-MB removable hard drive,
bundled with Microsoft's Windows for Workgroups 3.11, DOS 6.22, Phoenix
BIOS with plug-and-play, the external floppy disk drive, internal NiMH
battery, and a leather carrying case, is $7,495. Additional configuration
pricing, as well as pricing of the options, will be announced when the
P1000 begins shipping in early 1995.
Availability
This is not your everyday, high-end portable computer. It is not being
built by a company that expects, or even wants to produce high-volume
systems. Rather, this product is designed for high-end computing users who
know that the P1000 is a one-of-a-kind machine-both in specifications and
performance. Our initial performance tests show this system to be at least
as fast as most Pentium desktop systems, and faster than a number of them.
We will be publishing more exact comparisons in a future issue, since we
were not able to obtain a unit for more than a few days prior to its
announcement. We can state that everything we ran on it, and each of the
benchmarks we ran, placed the P1000 at the top of the scale for all Pentium
machines we have tested. And unlike many portable systems, there is no
compromise in performance for portability.
Tadpole believes that this system will be used by those who have a need for
3D modeling, multimedia demonstrations, data collection, and real-time
analysis in a portable computing environment. We also believe that this
machine will quickly become the most sought-after power user's
system--especially by those who would like to replace their desktop system
with a portable but are not willing to sacrifice speed and performance for
portability. Such users will find that they can now get a portable machine
that blows the keyboards off their peers' Pentium-based desktops.
Engineering Excellence
The P1000 has been awarded The Outlook Engineering Excellence Award for
1994. This product is a tribute to the engineers at Tadpole, and should be
an inspiration to others who believe that it is no longer important to
"engineer" products, and instead, merely design them with off-the-shelf
components and then assemble them. The P1000, we are certain, will continue
to outperform most of the Pentium desktop systems on the market today.
Tadpole is one of the few computer companies that still believes that
engineering is an important ingredient in the computer industry. For years,
it has excelled in providing workstation performance in compact form
factors. Now that it has turned its attention to the Intel world, we expect
that the P1000 and follow-on products will set the standards against which
all other portable products will be measured. Tadpole believes that
portable computer users should not have to sacrifice speed and performance
because they want a small foot print, battery-operated system. With the
P1000, it has certainly delivered such a product.
Final Comments
The Tadpole Pl000 is not a portable computer that will be available in
stores, nor has it been designed for the casual portable computer user. It
is the ultimate portable system, and we believe that users who want to own
the best performing system are going to have to wait in line to get their
hands on this machine. The first Mazda Miata sports car quickly became the
most sought after car on the market a few years back, with waiting lists of
anxious customers. We believe that the Tadpole Pl000 will become the Miata
of the portable computer world--at least until Tadpole's next turn of the
crank. Tadpole's products demonstrate what can be accomplished when you set
out to build the best and you tell your engineers that a few extra dollars
in parts is acceptable when striving to achieve the level of performance
that has been envisioned. Such levels can be obtained only by marrying
superb engineering talent with industry visionaries who do not know the
meaning of the word "cannot." Our hats are off to Tadpole, and we lust in
our hearts for the Pl000!
-Andrew M. Seybold
For further information, contact:
Tadpole Technology Inc. 12012 Technology Boulevard Austin, TX 78727
512-219-2200 / 800-232-6656 512-232-2222 FAX
Tadpole Technology PLC Cambridge Science Park / Milton Road Cambridge / CB4
4WQ England 44 1223 428200 / 44 1223 428201 FAX
An Outlook Reprint-This article is reproduced here exactly as it originally
appeared. Formatting has been altered but no changes have been made in the
textual material. The Outlook has prepared this reprint at the request of
Tadpole Technology.
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Industry experts are raving about the P1000...
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"The Tadpole P1000 is blazingly fast. It ran the BYTE benchmarks 110 to 120
percent faster than our baseline 90MHz Pentium Desktop system. And with
room for up to 128MB of RAM, it can handle more memory than many desktop
machines."
"The P1000 is a muscle car among luxury laptops...everything about it says
industrial strength."
BYTE Magazine, June 1995
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"The Tadpole P1000 notebook from Tadpole Technology makes great strides
toward closing the gap between desktop and mobile computing. In its first
PC platform venture, Tadpole has put together a package to be reckoned
with."
"The crisp active matrix display is particularly easy on the eyes. The
sturdy, roomy Lexmark keyboard with an integrated pointer is one of the
more comfortable keyboards we've used."
"The Tadpole P1000 is in a class by itself for allowing the use of
operating systems that run the gamut from DOS and Windows to Solaris x86,
PC Unix and Windows NT."
PC Magazine, May 30, 1995
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"The P1000 has been awarded The Outlook Engineering Excellence Award for
1994. This product is a tribute to the engineers at Tadpole, and should be
an inspiration to others who believe that it is no longer important to
engineer products, and instead, merely design them with off-the-shelf
components and then assemble them. The P1000, we are certain, will continue
to out-perform most of the Pentium desktop systems on the market today."
"Tadpole's products demonstrate what can be accomplished when you set out
to build the best and you tell your engineers that a few extra dollars in
parts is acceptable when striving to achieve the level of performance that
has been envisioned."
"...our hats are off to Tadpole, and we lust in our hearts for the P1000!"
Andrew Seybold, Outlook on Mobile Computing
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"The Tadpole P1000 earns the fastest Winstone 95 score of any notebook
we've tested..."
Windows Sources Magazine, June 1995
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New Lower Price will push your eyeballs to the back of your head!!
Tadpole P1000 starting at $6,495
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Due to significant component and subsystem price reductions from its
suppliers, Tadpole Technology has lowered prices on its Tadpole P1000
series.
The new suggested list price for the Tadpole P1000, configured with 8MB
DRAM and a 340MB removable hard disk drive, is $6,495, (4500 pounds
Sterling). A higher-end Tadpole P1000, configured with 64MB DRAM and an
810MB hard disk drive is now $10,495. This is an average savings of 13% to
15%!
The Tadpole P1000 is a no-compromise system that puts all the performance
and features of a high-end desktop computer into a tough, notebook-sized
portable.
* Runs off-the-shelf operating systems including MS-DOS, Windows,
Windows NT, Windows 95 and Solaris/PC UNIX
* 100MHz Intel 815/100 Pentium
* 340/520/810MB user-removable hard disk drive
* Rugged Magnesium alloy case
* Internal PCI Bus
* 8MB to 128MB of user-upgradable DRAM
* Weighs 7.5 pounds including battery
To take advantage of this reduced price, call a Tadpole Technology Sales
Representative today at 800 232-6656.
Tadpole Technology INC 12012 Technology Blvd. / Austin, TX 78727 USA 1 800
232-6656 / 512 219-2200 FAX: 512 219-2222
Tadpole Technology PLC Cambridge Science Park / Milton Road Cambridge / CB4
4WQ England 44 1223 428200 / FAX: 44 1223 428201
Tadpole Technology SA Petite Montagne Sud / 3 Rue Gevaudan Evolic K C.E.
1735 / 91047 EVRY Cedex France 1 60 86 27 92 / FAX: 1 60 86 27 89
All trademarks used herein are the property of their respective owners.
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3609.138 | | SCHOOL::NEWTON | Thomas Newton | Fri Jun 23 1995 16:24 | 2 |
| With all due respect to Tadpole, any chance of signing up a major notebook
vendor, like Toshiba?
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3609.139 | Tadpole's financial situation | SSDEVO::PARRIS | Keith | Fri Jun 23 1995 17:25 | 30 |
| From PowerPC News:
Subj: 2257 TADPOLE CALLS EMERGENCY MEETING AS NET ASSET VALUE WITHERS
TADPOLE CALLS EMERGENCY MEETING AS NET ASSET VALUE WITHERS
(June 19th 1995) Tadpole Technology Plc has suffered the ultimate
indignity and humiliation, that of having to call an extraordinary
meeting of shareholders within 56 days because growing losses
mean its net asset value will fall to less than half its paid-up
share capital (the aggregate sum a company has raised by selling its
shares since it was founded).
The 50% figure does not in itself signify anything, and is mainly a
warning signal; the shareholders' meeting is only required to
consider what, if anything, needs to be done about the situation. It
can break up with a decision to do nothing, and the company can
continue as before.
Tadpole expects its losses of UKP1.3m for April and May to rise in
June by up to UKP500,000, on sales broadly flat, with the previous
quarter at some UKP7m.
Tadpole shares fell to a new low of 35p but later steadied at 42p, a
loss of 13p. Tadpole notes that final quarter sales are usually
heavily weighted towards September. On the plus side, it is shipping
an order worth more than $1m for Sparcbook 3XP to a new US customer
with the potential to make orders worth $10m more over two years. It
has also won a new OEM board contract worth up to $20m over four
years.
(C) Computergram International | Select 5000 for more information
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3609.140 | Stock now rising | TRUCKS::WINWOOD | golden bridge is just around the bend | Mon Jun 26 1995 05:36 | 6 |
| I note that in yesterday's Biz news Tadpole's share price had
risen significantly. Reason given was 'Small investors returning
to the stock.' Some people obviously think it is undervalued
now.
Calvin
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3609.141 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Jun 26 1995 10:16 | 4 |
| A recent review of the Tadpole P1000 indicated that its battery life was
dismayingly short. I hope the Alpha laptop does better.
Steve
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3609.142 | How many batteries? | SCHOOL::NEWTON | Thomas Newton | Mon Jun 26 1995 11:47 | 2 |
| Will Tadpole copy the Apple PowerBook design of two ports for high-capacity
batteries, or will their Alpha laptop only take one battery?
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3609.143 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Jun 26 1995 12:35 | 4 |
| You don't need two batteries loaded - a warm-swap of batteries like the
HiNote Ultra can do will do the trick and will reduce typical weight.
Steve
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3609.144 | Tadpole's battery design | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Mon Jun 26 1995 14:16 | 14 |
| Re: Tadpole's Battery design
The Tadpole Pentium P1000 has both an internal battery pack, which is good
for about an hour, plus a 4lb strap-on external battery which supplies up
to about 5 hours of power. Details and pictures are available at Tadpole's
WWW site.
The same battery option should apply Alpha version, although battery
lifetimes have not been measured and are subject to change.
-Paul
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3609.145 | | LJSRV2::KALIKOW | Live from Atlanta GA | Mon Jun 26 1995 15:07 | 5 |
| I'd be dismayed by battery life less than an hour -- but for me, it
wouldn't be too relevant. The idea of a laptop Alpha, with all that
power, that you had to plug in to a wall... so what? For a rev 1.0
laptop with an Alpha chip, I'd put up with a LOT.
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3609.146 | mil-spec | SWAM2::ROGERS_DA | Sedat Fortuna Peritus | Tue Jul 11 1995 19:48 | 14 |
|
re: .125
> ...but you captioned your RFI as a Transportable Alpha
> System, looking back I see that there was one sentence
> stating that a miltary ruggedized version was an option.
You've obviously never seen a description like
"Building, portable, FSN nnnn-nnnn-nn"
The term "portable", in militareze, means anything small
enough to be moved by no more than four forklifts.
[dale]
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3609.147 | Any status updates? | RLTIME::COOK | | Fri Aug 25 1995 11:36 | 6 |
|
Is tadpole still the only potential player for Alpha Notebooks? I have had
three customer requests in the last two weeks.
Al Cook
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3609.148 | It's alive! | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Fri Aug 25 1995 20:00 | 12 |
| Yes, the Alpha notebook is still alive!
With any luck, there should be a big announcement at Fall DECUS in San
Francisco (December 2-7).
Request for further details should be directed to Mark (STAR::) Sorenson.
Serious inquires only! Myself and Mark are working really hard to get this
done for DECUS, so try not to bother us if your just curious.
-Paul
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3609.149 | ALLLRRIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT!!! :-) :-) | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Sat Aug 26 1995 09:16 | 2 |
| Go for it Paul & Mark!
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3609.150 | It is a price sensitive VOLUME market... | LACV01::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Sat Aug 26 1995 15:04 | 6 |
|
This is *GREAT* news. Now remember, keep the price down. A $7,000
Alpha Laptop is going to be a tough sell at the low end. High end,
no problem; low end needs to be around $4,800 max!!!
the Greyhawk
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3609.151 | Think of Burns as a portable workstation.... | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Mon Aug 28 1995 12:55 | 16 |
|
There is no intention for the Burns Alpha laptop to ever compete in the PC
market. Burns is based on Tadpole Pentium P1000/P1300 laptop, which sells
between $6-$12K. You can expect similar premium pricing for Burns.
If your application runs on a PC laptop today, plan to continue with using
a PC laptop system. We sell great Hinote PC laptops for this purpose!
However, *if* you application run on an Alpha workstation which you like to
become portable, then you are probably a candidate for the Alpha laptop.
The Burns is not for everybody, but for a few it is very important and they
are will to pay the premium price.
-Paul
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3609.152 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Mon Aug 28 1995 14:07 | 8 |
| Sounds like a reasonable strategy... Pricing somewhere between the
highest-end laptop and the lowest-equivalent workstation, modulo the
premium inevitably associated with miniaturization. Pray tell, will it
have support for at least SVGA, if not on its own unit, then via
external displays? That'll be a big gating factor (and if memory
serves, was imho one of the big drawbacks of the Alpha laptop that Bob
Palmer displayed at UNIX World a year or so back...) ...?
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3609.153 | SVGA | STAR::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Development | Wed Aug 30 1995 22:06 | 15 |
|
Yes, the Alpha laptop will have SVGA graphics (800x600x256)
simultaneously on internal active matrix display and external monitor.
We are hoping to add a mode for 1024x768x256 for use only on the
external monitor.
The Alpha notebook is based on the Tadpole P1000 and P1300 Pentium
system. The specs are available at:
http://www.tadpole.com/
-Paul
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3609.154 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Wed Aug 30 1995 23:24 | 7 |
| Wow. I'm in love!! Tnx so much for (a) the fast response and (b) the
correct answers!! :-)
Go for it...
... and keep us posted!
|
3609.155 | what OS? | INDYX::ram | Ram Rao, SPARCosaurus hunter | Thu Aug 31 1995 12:46 | 4 |
| What OS's plan support for it?
|
3609.156 | OS' support is being discussed... | SMURF::BILLZ | | Thu Aug 31 1995 13:15 | 10 |
| The intent is to announce the OS' at Fall Decus.
The details around which OS' and the dates and
spec's are not complete, so I hesitate to speculate.
Regards,
Bill Zaharchuk
Manager, Product Management
Digital UNIX
|
3609.157 | OpenVMS: Done deal! | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Thu Aug 31 1995 14:40 | 7 |
|
I have the support of my management to deliver OpenVMS support for the
Burns Alpha note.
-Paul
|
3609.158 | Lots of things can happen in 9 months | BBPBV1::WALLACE | Casper the friendly merchandising opportunity | Fri Sep 01 1995 09:31 | 29 |
| OK, sounds good. I want this product to sell, just as I did a year (or
whatever) ago.
Now, I'm not a gambling man, and nor are my customers. A year ago, two
of them believed that Digital would deliver an Alpha carryaround, which
was good for them, 'cause they needed them desperately to sell on to
their own customers as part of particular project/product applications.
Digital didn't deliver. The reasons why may never be clear, and the
reasons why it is now right for the market and was then wrong, are also
unclear (to me at least).
Meanwhile, their need didn't go away. Independently, they are
developing carryaround Alphas - one based on Aspen's board, and one
based on DEC3000 boards. When _their_ customers see the end result
(suitcase size) they'll have a good laugh, but it'll do the job they
wanted it for (and are willing to pay $$$$ for in repeat orders, once
they've seen one working).
Because Digital screwed them up before on this product, both customers
are likely to be reluctant to drop their own engineered products in
favour of a buy-in with the perceived risk of us screwing up again.
So: how much of a risk is it this time ? Any gamblers involved: how
much of YOUR money would you stake on this product coming to market
this time ?
regards
john
|
3609.159 | I've seen it! | TIMMY::FORSON | | Fri Sep 01 1995 17:46 | 13 |
| I had a chance to see one of these babies in action at the version 7.0
openVMS FT meeting a few weeks ago. This thing is slick and fast. Even
the case is made out of something special.
About the price. Memory will be the factor that dictates price. The
machine has two memory slots. If both are populated with 64 Mb cards,
then you can figure about $5k in memory alone.
I wish you guys the very best of luck. From what I've seen of the
product, you have a winner.
jim
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3609.160 | A little more info | WRKSYS::DISCHLER | I don't wanna wait in vain | Tue Sep 05 1995 13:13 | 25 |
| Re:158
Things are a little different this time.
The first time, I and a few others hand built the LEAN machines.
Next, we were forced to work the design with an outside house
(Tadpole) who had other priorities. And, our new VP cancelled support.
Now, one of our more supportive VPs is in charge, and he has
allowed a clone-out to Tadpole whereby they own all of the product
assembly,etc., and DIGITAL owns OSs, console, and Alpha chip(LCA45).
Since the design has had a screen and processor upgrade, plus lots of
debug time, it is looking pretty good. Tadpole is hungry so I would bet
that it will happen this time, but the amount of success will be tough
to call. This will be an expensive portable workstation. Not an
inexpensive portable PC; we already have those.
So, if a customer needs to carry Alpha NT, Digital UNIX, or OpenVMS
around and is willing to pay, this will be the right machine. Not a
huge market at all, but it can make some money and help sell some of
our other machines by being the "portable POSIX compliant" machine that
some bids require.
Rich Dischler
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3609.161 | noises on the internet | WRKSYS::HOUSE | Kenny - PKO3-1/N75 - DTN 223-6720 | Fri Sep 15 1995 09:02 | 31 |
| Seen on the internet ... (rumor that Tadpole "permanently abandoned"
Alpha Notebook) ...
-- Kenny House
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Group comp.os.vms
article 48178 07:11:05.96 available: 47760 - 48256
unread: 84
From: [email protected] (Tony Konashenok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
Subject: Sad tale: no Alpha notebook for you, guys...
Date: 13 Sep 1995 22:53:10 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
I have just asked the guys at Aspen Systems and Tadpole Technology if
they are going to release an Alpha-based laptop/notebook. The former
said that they see no market demand for it and it will hardly be
possible to make a good machine anyway because of high power
consumption by the Alpha chip. Strange - do they still think in terms
of 21064? The latter said they made a prototype but permanently
abandoned it.
Can anyone say anything to the contrary? Or should we all collect
signatures to prove the market demand exists?
Article is xrefed to comp.sys.dec:16218
End article 48178 action:
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3609.162 | Not abandoned | WRKSYS::DISCHLER | I don't wanna wait in vain | Fri Sep 15 1995 09:32 | 8 |
| My response to comp.sys.dec was:
Oh well. I know too much. Keep your ears open. You might hear something
in less than 3 months.
--
- Rich Dischler (Workstations) DTN 223-0523
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3609.163 | The word is out now... | BBPBV1::WALLACE | Casper the friendly merchandising opportunity | Fri Sep 15 1995 09:34 | 8 |
| Steve Lionel also kindly responded in similar vein ("whoever you spoke
to at Tadpole may have been misinformed", or something like that).
I think it's time I go talk to my portable Alpha prospect(s) before he
reads this himself...
regards
john
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3609.164 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Sep 15 1995 10:30 | 4 |
| Yesterday I watched Paul (see .157) unpack another brand new Tadpole prototype,
fresh out of the box.
/john
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3609.165 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Fri Sep 15 1995 10:33 | 3 |
| Rich, can we suggest that people might find something interesting at DECUS? :-)
Steve
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3609.166 | Hopes to fly... | WRKSYS::DISCHLER | I don't wanna wait in vain | Fri Sep 15 1995 11:31 | 6 |
| Steve -
Enhancements have been made, work is being done and as
you state, people might find something interesting at DECUS.
The ball is rolling.
RJD
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3609.167 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Fri Sep 15 1995 12:16 | 5 |
| Just you make sure that there ball doesn't run down the OTHER side of
the mountain, as it has been wont to do in the past... :-)
Rootin' for ya!!!
|
3609.168 | The ALPHAbook | STAR::SORENSON | | Fri Sep 15 1995 16:33 | 34 |
3609.169 | And keep the price under $5,000.... | LACV01::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Fri Sep 15 1995 16:43 | 8 |
|
Don't stop, don't let anything get in your way, build it - and they
will come.
Promise....
the Greyhawk
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3609.170 | Ummm, gawrsh -- Greyhawk, I think I already came... | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Fri Sep 15 1995 16:55 | 4 |
| (sorry)
:-)
|
3609.171 | | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Fri Sep 15 1995 17:43 | 3 |
| The bright side: if LCA performance fails to excite in the laptop
like it did in Multia, at least nobody in Components and Peripherals
will be held accountable and fired.
|
3609.172 | Not enough room to use anything else | HELIX::SONTAKKE | | Fri Sep 15 1995 18:18 | 4 |
| What else can you use in the laptop? 21064A and its support chips eat
lot of real estate and the battery power.
- Vikas
|
3609.173 | .168 hidden | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Fri Sep 15 1995 19:31 | 5 |
| .168 hidden as it is labelled "Digital Confidential" - corporate
policy prohibits such documents being posted in unrestricted notes
conferences.
Steve
|
3609.174 | The ALPHAbook | STAR::SORENSON | | Sat Sep 16 1995 18:30 | 35 |
|
The following information is "Digital Internal Use Only"
As noted in the last few replies, an ALPHA portable workstation project
is indeed proceeding. To date, the vast majority of work on this project
has focused on getting the engineering work done. Its primarily being
driven by a very small group of people in the OpenVMS Engineering and
OpenVMS Product Mgmt organization, with support from APS and DS. Very
shortly we'll be turning our attention to providing information to the
rest of the corporation. However, I want to squash this false rumor that
the ALPHAbook is dead. Stay tuned.
As Steve L said, you just might see at DECUS an ALPHA based portable workstation
running a 233 mhz LCA45 CPU. It'll definitely be running OpenVMS, and maybe
Digital UNIX shortly thereafter. I'd guess it'll support 32-128 MB of memory,
have a 10.4 TFT 800x600 SVGA display. Limited PCMCIA support, but certainly
an Ethernet card (bundled with system) and fax/modem. Lexmark M6 keyboard.
SCSI 520, 810, 1.2GB storage options. Magnesium alloy case, about 7.5 lbs with
battery. Mini and full docking stations. CD and floppy drives available.
Take a look at Tadpoles P1000 enclosure and think ALPHA.
When we're just a bit further down the road, we'll be getting more info
to you for you and your customers. Still working some details so I don't
have all the info to tell you. Will we get it done? Odds are 90% yes.
Alpha, from desktop-to-datacenter? How about LAPTOP-to-datacenter?
"Digital Internal Use Only"
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3609.175 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Sat Sep 16 1995 21:54 | 5 |
| Thanks for the reclassify/vetting/repost. I will want to stop by here
periodically to make sure I wasn't dreaming...
go Go GO *G*O*!!!
|
3609.176 | yeah go..Go...GO..OOOO | AQU027::SAXENA | DEC! ReClaim Thy Name 'n Glory | Sat Sep 16 1995 22:50 | 15 |
| re: -.1
Boy, I imagine, the Alpha Notebook would be really hot.
Toast your lap and probably burn a hole in the pocket too ;-)
Dan, I hope your washing machine doesn't get turned on, when you toss
your pants in it saying " I got hot pants for you". Hey, but then u
can tell the world 'my washing m/c is really automatic'
:-)
/vj
|
3609.177 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sun Sep 17 1995 00:19 | 3 |
| Is that why we're calling it "Burns"?
/john
|
3609.178 | So you want a Portable Alpha?... Read on! | ODIXIE::KIMBEL | If you don't ASK, they can't say NO!! | Mon Sep 18 1995 09:23 | 143 |
| Here's the latest from XL Vision, a Sebastian, FL Technical OEM who
specializes in portable, rugged and TEMPEST products.
For now, they are going to offer this with WNT and UNIX, but if OVMS
becomes available on the LCA, they think there is a market.
Any comments, questions, remarks? Expected availability should be by
the end of the CY95.
Bill Kimbel
TOEM Sales - Southeast
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Upgradeability is designed in to the package. Supporting 166MHz or
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Two PCMCIA slots and one PCI slot allow expandability with standard
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The internal bus is PCI based. The Ethernet interface and graphics
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|
3609.179 | VTX IR, doc ID DU000H | BBPBV1::WALLACE | UNIX is digital. Use Digital UNIX. | Mon Nov 06 1995 10:27 | 10 |
| There's a short presentation on Digital's own Alpha notebook, from DUPS
training, recently arrived in VTX IR, document id DU000H (or search for
ALPHA NOTEBOOK). PPT and PS files are available.
Executive summary (hardware): think Tadpole P1000, but with 21066A/233.
Executive summary (software): OpenVMS. Maybe NT, maybe Unix.
regards
john
not affiliated with Alpha notebook projects
|
3609.180 | Tadpole announces the ALPHAbook 1 | ICS::MORRISEY | | Tue Dec 05 1995 15:57 | 98 |
|
Tadpole Technology announces the ALPHAbook 1, the world's most powerful
notebook computer; Industry's first 233MHz Alpha processor-based notebook
offers workstation-class performance and true portability to the digital
OpenVMS user community
Source: Business Wire
SAN FRANCISCO--(BUSINESS WIRE) via NewsPage -- Tadpole Technology Plc
today announced the ALPHAbook 1, the world's most powerful notebook
computer and the first notebook driven by an Alpha 21066
microprocessor with variable speed of up to 233MHz from Digital
Equipment Corporation.
Shown for the first time today at the Digital Equipment Corporation
User Society (DECUS) meeting, the ALPHAbook 1 packs all the computing
power of a Digital Alpha workstation -- including support for the
OpenVMS operating system -- into a highly rugged, 7.5-pound notebook
form factor.
The ALPHAbook 1, which is targeted at software development, defense,
communications, engineering and performance-critical commercial
markets, is the result of a strategic agreement between Digital and
Tadpole announced in May 1994. Techniques used in designing the system
were gained from Tadpole's expertise in developing three generations
of award winning SPARCbook workstation-class notebooks and the P1000
Series of Pentium processor-based notebook PCs. The ALPHAbook 1
extends Tadpole's design philosophy to deliver uncompromised,
workstation-class portable computing products based on a wide range of
microprocessor architectures.
"The ALPHAbook 1 features all the hallmarks of Tadpole's full line of
workstation-class notebook products, including unparalleled
performance and functionality, rugged magnesium case, power management
and standard notebook weight and form factor," said George Grey, chief
executive officer of Tadpole Technology. "This agreement allows us
extend our product line to Digital's user community, providing them
the first reliable mobile platform for high-end, OpenVMS-based
applications."
Powered by an Alpha 21066-A microprocessor with a variable speed of up
to 233MHz and a 512K level 2 write-back cache, the ALPHAbook 1 also
features an integrated PCI system bus interface for high-speed access
to graphics, PCMCIA and SCSI interfaces. Removable 2.5-inch SCSI-2
hard disk drives are available in 520 megabyte (MB), 810MB or 1.2
Gigabyte (GB) capacities. System memory is user upgradable using
industry-standard SIMMs in configurations starting at 32MB and going
up to 128MB.
Two PCMCIA slots give users a choice of two Type I/II or one Type III
card, and two docking station options allow users to easily connect a
variety of peripherals. The ALPHAbook 1 includes a 3COM Ethernet card
and supports an optional 28.8K fax/modem PC Card.
Software offerings for the ALPHAbook 1 will include Digital's OpenVMS
operating system, DECwindows/Motif, TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS and
OpenVMS Cluster Client. DECnet/OSI is available as an add-on option.
Plans are already underway to support the Digital UNIX operating
system in 1996.
With 1MB of video RAM and a 10.4-inch true-color TFT active matrix
screen, Tadpole's ALPHAbook 1 supports 256 colors simultaneously from
a choice of 262,144 at 800 x 600 resolution and uses a built-in
graphics accelerator for enhanced graphics response. Users who want to
make a presentation to a large group can do so using the ALPHAbook 1's
support for resolutions up to 1024 x 768 on external displays. An
integrated 16-bit stereo audio for CD-quality sound, internal
microphone and speaker, and in/out audio ports complete the ALPHAbook
1's A/V functions.
"Digital is very excited about Tadpole's delivery of the ALPHAbook 1
supporting the OpenVMS Operating System," said Jesse Lipcon, vice
president of Systems Product Management and Development at Digital.
"The ALPHAbook 1 delivers unique benefits for OpenVMS users, extending
their office to a virtual office wherever their business takes them."
Pricing and Availability
The Tadpole ALPHAbook 1 will be available in early January 1996
through Tadpole and Digital, and through selected Digital and Tadpole
resellers and distributors worldwide. Pricing starts at $13,950 for a
system configured with bundled OpenVMS, 3COM Ethernet card, 32MB DRAM
and 520MB hard disk drive.
Tadpole Technology designs and manufactures high-performance,
workstation-class notebook computers, board-level and software
products for OEMs and end-users. Established in 1984 and publicly
traded on the London Stock Exchange, Tadpole is headquartered in
Cambridge, England. U.S. headquarers are in Austin, Texas with sales
offices and authorized resellers throughout the U.S., Europe and
Asia/Pacific Rim.
Note to Editors: Alpha, OpenVMS, DEC, DECnet, DECwindows, and Digital
are trademarks of Digital Equipment Corporation. All other trademarks
used herein are the property of their respective owners.
[12-04-95 at 09:14 EST, Business Wire]
|
3609.181 | no NT | YIELD::HARRIS | | Tue Dec 05 1995 17:06 | 3 |
| No mention of NT, this seems odd to me.
-Bruce
|
3609.182 | | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Tue Dec 05 1995 17:27 | 7 |
| The December 4th PC Week article on the Alpha Tadpole described
the thing (again, no mention of NT). The article then inserted
some quotes, the first being "We're looking at porting our database
server to Alpha under NT. I might need one of the Alphabook 1s and
five or six Intel-based systems".
Sounds like somebody thinks it runs NT.
|
3609.183 | EETimes, too.. | TEKVAX::KOPEC | we're gonna need another Timmy! | Wed Dec 06 1995 07:57 | 6 |
| the latest EETimes had an article on this too; it said that Tadpole was
concentrating their NT efforts on Intel-based notebooks.. the
impression I got was they weren't very interested in doing anything
with NT on the Alpha notebook..
...tom
|
3609.184 | | TLE::REAGAN | All of this chaos makes perfect sense | Wed Dec 06 1995 09:12 | 4 |
| Has Tadpole mentioned any unit forecasts over the life of the product?
First year? Etc?
-John
|
3609.185 | PCMCIA? | QUOIN::BELKIN | Nothin' left to do but :-) :-) :-) | Wed Dec 06 1995 13:24 | 6 |
| So... OpenVMS supports PCMCIA cards? Plug in, say, a GPS card, and it can
deal with it?
$set mind/mode=boggle!
- Josh
|
3609.186 | Drivers? drivers? | TEKVAX::KOPEC | we're gonna need another Timmy! | Wed Dec 06 1995 17:36 | 5 |
| Sure; it'll apply power.
you want MORE?
...tom
|
3609.187 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Wed Dec 06 1995 21:27 | 12 |
| The Alphabook has been very popular here at DECUS. It is really a
wonder to see VMS on a laptop. There are limited drivers for PCMCIA
cards - just the options (Ethernet, modem) that Tadpole supports.
As for NT, my understanding is that Digital's NT group isn't
interested, and I can see why - it doesn't offer all THAT much
different over a Pentium-based laptop as far as NT is concerned. That
may change (the interest) in the future - who knows. The Alphabook
owes its existence to the perseverance of the OpenVMS group who helped
make it happen.
Steve
|
3609.188 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC; Reclaim the Name&Glory! | Thu Dec 07 1995 03:30 | 13 |
| I certainly understand why the OpenVMS group would be a major driver
for the Alphabook, but why, I wonder, would not the Digital UNIX
group be right there with an approximately equal amount of bux?
I must be missing something. The prospect of carrying around a full
Digital UNIX wksta for demos or portable websites sets MY salivary
glands all atwitter...
... and why wouldn't a portable NT workstation with blazing speed be
desirable?
Dan$dense
|
3609.189 | Carrying my Alpha on the airplane, what a hoot!! | ZPOVC::GEOFFREY | | Thu Dec 07 1995 05:24 | 8 |
| I wonder what the top end configuration for this sucker costs with 128MB
memory and a 1.2GB hard disk. Does it have external SCSI capability?
It would make a lot of sense for Digital to get some of these for sales
types who need demo systems, whether in or out of the office. But it
would be better if the thing supported both AVMS and UNIX ...
Geoff
|
3609.190 | the why nots | KLUSTR::GARDNER | The secret word is Mudshark. | Thu Dec 07 1995 07:29 | 17 |
| re: <<< Note 3609.188 by DRDAN::KALIKOW "DIGITAL=DEC; Reclaim the Name&Glory!" >>>
>> ... and why wouldn't a portable NT workstation with blazing speed be
>> desirable?
the point is that this thing wouldn't blaze much compared to
available Pentium notebooks that can run NT and would most likely
be much cheaper...on the other hand, OpenVMS (and Digital UNIX) don't
currently ;-) support the Pentium architecture ;-) ;-)
re: Digital UNIX support
although the console support is probably already a done deal, there
is the minor matter of device support for video, keyboard, mouse,
Ethernet, modem, serial port, etc etc etc...
_kelley
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3609.191 | Or try d * 13 | HELIX::SONTAKKE | | Thu Dec 07 1995 07:54 | 18 |
| Given that it is based on LCA45, getting Digital UNIX would be pretty
trivial. If you can get to ">>>" console prompt try this on the Alpha
portable. Assuming it allows you to connect external SCSI disk, get an
already installed Digital UNIX V3.2C disk and plug it in the
portable with SCSI disk ID 1
>>>e 2050
pmem: 2050 000000000000000x <<some number here
>>>d * B
>>>b -fi genvmunix dka1
Of course, don't expect your PCMCIA options or power management
features to work though.
If it uses TGA for vdeo and Tulip for ethernet, they will work fine.
- Vikas
|
3609.192 | | YIELD::HARRIS | | Thu Dec 07 1995 08:50 | 7 |
| > I wonder what the top end configuration for this sucker costs with 128MB
> memory and a 1.2GB hard disk. Does it have external SCSI capability?
The price range I remember reading was from ~$13K to ~$24K.
-Bruce
|
3609.193 | OpenVMS on the VME SBC? | MNATUR::LISTON | | Thu Dec 07 1995 09:03 | 6 |
|
RE: .-2
And given that it's based on the LCA45, what would be the level of
effort to get OpenVMS to run on the AlphaVME Single Board Computers?
|
3609.194 | | HELIX::SONTAKKE | | Thu Dec 07 1995 09:11 | 2 |
| That's a whole different story because you need to get the VME bus
support in.
|
3609.195 | It's a matter of integration | MNATUR::LISTON | | Thu Dec 07 1995 09:14 | 5 |
|
Yeah... but VMEbus support for OpenVMS exists on multiple platforms
now. It just doesn't exist as part of the O/S because it's treated
like non-Digital I/O - third party.
|
3609.196 | | DECWIN::MCCARTNEY | | Thu Dec 07 1995 10:49 | 9 |
| RE: .191
It does not use TGA video. It uses a Western Digital video option.
That's part of the work to be done for Digital UNIX. Folks here are
talking to Tadpole about getting UNIX support on it. If you have a
sales case where you need it, try contacting Sarah Booth.
Irene
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3609.197 | Operating systems... | WRKSYS::DISCHLER | I don't wanna wait in vain | Thu Dec 07 1995 12:57 | 11 |
| There is work to be done for the other OS's, but the first thing we
ever booted was NT... then VMS, then UNIX.
The LCA45 version has only booted OpenVMS officially, yet I am pretty
sure NT would work immediately except for PCMCIA. The LCA4s Alphabook I have
runs NT.
The AlphaBook is the "productized" version of the LEAN machine we
showed at Comdex Nov 1993.
RJD
|
3609.198 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Dec 07 1995 14:22 | 7 |
| It does have external SCSI when used with the docking station. Comes
with a 3COM Ethernet PC Card adapter - that and a TDK FAX/Modem are the
only two PC Card options currently supported (and only on the Tadpole).
TGV wants to buy a bunch to do customer demos, police departments and
the military have expressed interest.
Steve
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3609.199 | y | ACISS1::ROGERSR | hard on the wind again | Fri Dec 08 1995 11:26 | 13 |
| It's not the VME bus that is the problem. It IS that the current VME
board is based upon the 21066, the infamous LCA that arrived too late
to hit its market and is a dead duck because any pentium above 100mhz
cooks it and eats it and its lunch.
VMS engineering decided not to experience the costs of porting (it does
take a port as the memory controller is in the chip (no 21071 chipset).
The "Cortex" SBC is based upon 21064 however and will come to the
market in January (albeit with the old VICchip) and will get the new
VIC chip later in the year.
This baby will have OVMS supported.......
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3609.200 | Alpha notebook question | CSC32::D_RODRIGUEZ | Midnight Falcon ... | Wed Dec 13 1995 02:43 | 2 |
|
Can someone verify how long the battery pack will last?
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3609.201 | About 1hr on the internal NiMH battery | TRLIAN::LAIL | Bob Lail | Wed Dec 13 1995 08:26 | 7 |
|
According to Tadpoles literature the internal 12V 1.8AH NiMH
battery will last about 1hr with power management enabled. An external 12V
5.7AH NiMH battery is available that will last about 3hrs. The external
battery weighs in at 4lbs !
\Bob Lail
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3609.202 | Application Software | TAMARA::ACRO::RACKEMANN | Ford Rackemann - XANADU::RACKEMANN | Wed Dec 13 1995 08:42 | 4 |
|
...And introducing Microsoft Word for OpenVMS...
Microsoft Office for OpenVMS to follow...
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3609.203 | | STAR::PARKE | True Engineers Combat Obfuscation | Wed Dec 13 1995 10:11 | 7 |
| Re: 202
Is Word on OpenVMS a for real future ? This could be a real
application shot in the application arm if so.
Bill
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3609.204 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Wed Dec 13 1995 10:43 | 8 |
| RE: .203
I doubt it.
I WOULD expect Word et al to run when the stuff from Bristol
is up and running. (if it isn't already)
mike
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3609.205 | it ain't a runtime thing... | KLUSTR::GARDNER | The secret word is Mudshark. | Wed Dec 13 1995 11:44 | 9 |
| re: <<< Note 3609.204 by AXEL::FOLEY "Rebel without a Clue" >>>
>> I WOULD expect Word et al to run when the stuff from Bristol
>> is up and running. (if it isn't already)
only if MS decides the recompile/relink Word on OpenVMS (and/or UNIX)
which I would doubt...now SQL/Server on the other hand.....
_kelley
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3609.206 | Tadpole UK say there's been lots of interest already | BBPBV1::WALLACE | UNIX is digital. Use Digital UNIX. | Wed Dec 13 1995 11:53 | 5 |
| I spoke to Tadpole yesterday. I have a customer who has been patiently
waiting for a VMS carryaround. My customer beat me to it i.e. he'd
already phoned Tadpole and arranged for the use of a machine (next
week). I will see what they make of it. So far, both they and I are
impressed by the Tadpole folks.
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3609.207 | Target markets | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Thu Dec 14 1995 13:18 | 12 |
| I you want to run Microsoft word.... go buy a HiNote.
I you want a portable OpenVMS cluster that can run an Orcale server, then
take a look at the Alphabook.
The Alphabook was *never* designed for the PC mass market! However, there
are some application that make the Alphabook extreamely useful to some
people.
-Paul
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3609.208 | | MPGS::16.121.224.60::hamnqvist | Video Servers | Thu Dec 14 1995 17:25 | 6 |
| MS Word? Whats wrong with WPS-PLUS, TECO and Runoff? Not to mention,
VAX DOCUMENT. Or DECpage? Or DECtext with builtin label printing? You
now have a complete array of production authoring tools in a briefcase.
Mind boggling. Are they offering TU58 for backup device?
>Per
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3609.209 | No TU58 on my Alpha workstation | FUNYET::ANDERSON | Where's the nearest White Castle? | Thu Dec 14 1995 17:39 | 7 |
| Now, now, there's no need to be snippy. ;�)
Personally, I would love to have an OpenVMS laptop. Then I could use all the
tools I use at the office every day. I haven't ever had much of a need to run
PC applications, but a networkable, clusterable laptop sounds perfect.
Paul
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3609.210 | Digital part number ? | BBPBV1::WALLACE | UNIX is digital. Use Digital UNIX. | Fri Dec 15 1995 05:01 | 2 |
| Meanwhile... an article I saw yesterday said that Digital would be
selling it (as well as Tadpole). Anybody have more detail ?
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3609.211 | My bruises are showing... | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Fri Dec 15 1995 17:21 | 14 |
| I apologize about the tone of my previous note. However, the
confusion of PC vs. workstation has been part of the problem that
caused two previous attempts to produce an Alpha notebook to fail.
We have been trying our best to get a DEC part number for the Tadpole
ALPHAbook hardware, so the system can be sold by through Digital.
However, it has been an absolute *nightmare* of internal red tape about
percentages, discounts and commissions. Any help to make this happen
would be greatly appreciated!
-Paul
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3609.212 | Linux | RDGENG::RUSLING | Dave Rusling REO2 G/E9 830-4380 | Wed Dec 20 1995 10:36 | 4 |
|
Of course, running Linux on it would be rather neat.
Dave
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3609.213 | | netrix.lkg.dec.com::thomas | The Code Warrior | Wed Dec 20 1995 11:16 | 3 |
| Naa, NetBSD would be cooler. :-)
You have your free UNIX-like O/S, I got mine.
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3609.214 | Alpha Book Information | STAR::S_SKONETSKI | | Thu Dec 21 1995 12:48 | 41 |
| Hopefully this will answer some questions regarding the Alphabook.
Regards,
Sue Skonetski
OSSG Marketing
The ALPHAbook is the first Alpha-based laptop workstation, and is
arguably the world's fastest and most powerful laptop computer.
It is a lightweight machine, tipping the scales at only 7.5 pounds
including the battery. It is ideal for users that work with highly
complex, numeric-intensive applications, and need to to be able to
access these applications while away from their office. Companies
that run deployable military applications, real-time data gathering
and analyis, computer-aided design (CAD), large databases, mobile
systems administration and diagnostics, sales demonstrations and
sophisticated multimedia applications can now the ALPHAbook to run
these applications at customer sites and other remote locations for
more efficient operations.
The ALPHAbook is based on the Alpha 21066A 233Mz CPU. It is available
in configurations with up to 128MB of SIMM memory and a 1.2GB
removable hard disk. All ALPHAbooks have a high-resolution 10.4"
800x600 active matrix display with 256 colors that offers unmatched
clarity and brightness.
Because it's a true Alpha computer, the ALPHAbook is 100% compatible
with all other Alpha systems, and it has been designed to run OpenVMS,
Digital UNIX and WindowsNT. The ALPHAbook will ship standard with the
OpenVMS operating system and the DECwindows/Motif graphical user
interface. TCP/IP services for OpenVMS and/or DECnet/OSI as well as
OpenVMS Cluster Client will be offered as packaged options.
The ALPHAbook was co-developed by Digital Equipment Corporation and
Tadpole Technology and is a Tadpole branded product.
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3609.215 | Digital Unix on the ALPHAbook ?? | BLOFLY::SMITHP | Beware the knights who say "NT"... | Mon Jun 03 1996 02:09 | 6 |
| Any update on formal Digital Unix support for the ALPHAbook ?
Thanks,
Peter.
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3609.216 | | netrix.lkg.dec.com::thomas | The Code Warrior | Mon Jun 03 1996 10:01 | 2 |
| Let's put it this way. If you are at DECUS, you just might see Digital UNIX
running on a Tadpole.
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3609.217 | Soon | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Mon Jun 03 1996 14:13 | 7 |
| Unfortuantly, I understand that the Unix code was not quite stable enough
to show at DECUS this week. I'm sure UNIX on the ALPHAbook will be on
display by next DECUS, and possible other shows soon.
-Paul
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3609.218 | | TENNIS::KAM | Kam WWSE 714/261.4133 DTN/535.4133 IVO | Mon Jun 03 1996 15:43 | 10 |
| anyone know what the shipment numbers for this product have been? We
just completed training for our Business Partner's and not one of the
200 attendees for the seminars in the West Coast had an interest.
Who's selling these?
Who's buying?
What activity are they using them for?
Regards,
|
3609.219 | | USAT05::HALLR | God loves even you! | Tue Jun 04 1996 16:22 | 6 |
| Federal govt is buying Tadpoles for t remote training, defriefings,
etc. It makes sense to carry this around instead of a 400lb
monitor/wrkstn.
ComPro Systems, Inc. in jessup, MD is an authorized reseller of these
boxes. Call 410-799-9600 and ask for Ron or Al
|
3609.220 | | TENNIS::KAM | Kam WWSE 714/261.4133 DTN/535.4133 IVO | Tue Jun 04 1996 18:15 | 19 |
| Pioneer Standard Electronics is an Authorized Digital Distributor and
especially for this product and they don't see much activity or demand.
Avnet Computer and Hall-Mark Electronics are also Authorized Digital
Distributors, and probably the largest, and they don't seen any demand
for this product.
Any finally Wyle Electronics - ditto's Pioneer's and Avnet/Hall-mark
feelings.
If our three LARGEST Business Partner's don't seem much need for this
product do we expect to get the volumes from a Business Partner that
hardly registers on the revenue scale?
How can we excite the other Business Partner's? Can we get some
references for the Federal Government sites? Or any other customer.
I'd like to build a slide of these are the customer's using it and how.
Regards,
|
3609.221 | | VANGA::KERRELL | salva res est | Wed Jun 05 1996 04:31 | 7 |
| re.220:
It's a niche product. There isn't much demand. It's such a specialised
product we should be able to write out a list of people that are likely to buy
and ring them up. Tin shifters wouldn't be able to do this.
Dave.
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3609.222 | | USAT02::HALLR | God loves even you! | Wed Jun 05 1996 08:21 | 3 |
| Tadpole has a very controlled channels orgnization which actually
protects its partners business model, unlike Digital whom could care
less if a channel sells their product or not...
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3609.223 | | LEXSS1::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Wed Jun 05 1996 09:40 | 7 |
| Suppose I had one of these alpha notebooks. What would I do with it?
Could I run a word processor? a spreadsheet? Maybe a database?
Alphas power is in servers connected to networks. The things people
need to do while walking around can be done just fine with PC type
notebooks. We will not win trying to me-to the PC space, we lost that
battle some time ago.
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3609.224 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel Without a [email protected] | Wed Jun 05 1996 09:46 | 11 |
| RE: .223
What the Alpha Tadpole excels in is not running Duke Nukem or
40 slide Powerpoint presentations, it's in having a portable
Alpha workstation. This is ideal for those that need to
do demos or have a REAL need for a portable Alpha platform.
If you don't really need a portable Alpha, don't buy a Tadpole.
Simple as that.
mike
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3609.225 | | LEXSS1::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Wed Jun 05 1996 09:53 | 5 |
| OK, so if the only real use of an alpha notebook is giving demos that
may account for its very low market demand. Some DEC people and maybe a
few VARs or whatever we call them could use one, but its surely not a
mass market.
|
3609.226 | | ODIXIE::MOREAU | Ken Moreau;Technical Support;Florida | Wed Jun 05 1996 10:35 | 22 |
| You are right that it is not a mass market, but if we can make money doing
it, why not?
This is not a replacement for a PC. To my knowledge, NT is not running on
it nor is there any interest in getting NT to run on it. You can get a
cheaper Intel notebook running NT, so why bother?
What this is, is a very portable OpenVMS or Digital UNIX box. So if your
software runs on OpenVMS or Digital UNIX, and you need to take your operation
on the road, then this is the box you need.
The first group of people who want this box are sales people for our ISVs.
They need to demonstrate their products on an OpenVMS or Digital UNIX box,
and lugging around an AlphaStation is clumsy at best (I've done it, others
have done it, but it is painful, hard to setup and tear down, and the
mean-time-between-dropping-and-breaking-it is very small.
I think we did the right thing by spec'ing it and then giving to a vendor
(Tadpole) who knows how to do such things quickly and cost-effectively. And
to my knowledge the Digital Engineering costs were fairly minor.
-- Ken Moreau
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3609.227 | | BBPBV1::WALLACE | Whatever it takes WHO?(sm) | Wed Jun 05 1996 17:40 | 17 |
| Look, there are some people out there (my customers among them) who are
so desperate for carryaround VMS systems that they gave up waitinjg and
built their own from the motherboard out. The Tadpole notebook is a LOT
more elegant. If Tadpole can make money from it where CSD and CSS
can't, why worry ?
These customers/partners are people with a wealth of investment in VMS
applications and infrastructure, in application areas ranging from
process automation (oil refineries etc) to classified military stuff.
And those are just the ones I know about.
There is a market. It's just not a big market. And I would guess it's
getting smaller every month as more of these folks move off VMS
(the ones I know typically moving onto NT not Unix, btw).
regards
john
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3609.228 | Yes please | SIOG::OSULLIVAN_D | | Thu Jun 06 1996 06:09 | 6 |
| My customer, who runs a country-wide operation, is interested. Their
support people would benefit froma Unix laptop, allowing them to be
mobile with applications, development s/w etc. No, not a big volume,
but definitely added value.
-Dermot
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3609.229 | The world moves on...rapidly! | LEDDEV::DELMONICO | Jim --<Philippians 4:4-7>-- | Thu Jun 06 1996 14:14 | 24 |
| >> There is a market. It's just not a big market. And I would guess it's
>> getting smaller every month
The LCA45 (21066A) which the Tadpole ALPHA notebook is based on, is
not getting any faster - while the rest of the industry rockets
ahead on a steep upward performance curve.
The current Tadpole Alpha Notebook performs roughly as well at 233MHz
maximum intermittent speed as a 75Mhz pentium, or an EV45 (21064A)
at a throttled down 133Mhz. This was great performance over three
years ago when the original Digital team engineered the first
Alpha based notebook (which was never produced). Now it's a
tad lacking (excuse the pun).
We really need an EV56 based Alpha notebook if we want customers
to be PROUD demonstrating their software on an Alpha based machine.
I bet I'd have a lot of time to talk about my software if I were to
try demonstrating ProEngineer on the Tadpole machine. Regardless
of this, I bet there are still a lot of customers who could benefit
from the Tadpole machine.
Jim D. (one of the LEAN engineering team)
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3609.230 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Fri Jun 07 1996 10:58 | 5 |
| I spoke to a customer at DECUS who had ordered several AlphaBooks.
His company will use them for demoing their product. He wishes the
graphics were better, but overall he likes the package.
Steve
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3609.231 | ALPHAbook 2? | STAR::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Development | Fri Jun 07 1996 20:24 | 16 |
| RE: Note 3609.220
>>> Pioneer Standard Electronics is an Authorized Digital Distributor and
>>> especially for this product and they don't see much activity or demand.
I heard directly from George Grey, CEO of Tadpole, that Pioneer is quite
pleased with sales so far of the ALPHAbook. Both have confidence in
the product to pay for the full page Tadpole/Pioneer ad in the inside
cover of Digital New & Review.
The only question is whether there is enough support within Digital to
develop an ALPHAbook 2 follow-on product.
-Paul
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3609.232 | Go back to ALPHAbook 1 and finish it! | USAT02::HALLR | God loves even you! | Mon Jun 10 1996 09:20 | 12 |
| 1. Sales volume isn't generally why one makes an investment in
advertising (it's lack of).
2. Can *anyone* specifically state WHEN other (and which) operating
systems will be fully supported? If someone really knows, please email
me directly. I prefer not to be referred to another conference or
reminded that "this is an open ..."
3. I thought Tadpole brought the first system to market (not DEC).
4. What could possibly constitute a followon product? Answer: One with
software.
|
3609.233 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Jun 10 1996 10:04 | 9 |
| Tadpole was telling people at DECUS that Digital UNIX support was planned for
later this year. I didn't hear anything about NT, but it would seem to me
that the NT market for this would be very limited.
The Alphabook 1 is a Tadpole product developed in cooperation with Digital
(primarily OpenVMS Engineering). It has LOTS of software available - software
which doesn't run on any other laptop.
Steve
|
3609.234 | | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Mon Jun 10 1996 10:44 | 6 |
| re Alphabook2
Assuming you want to leave the Alphabook1's lowly 21066 Alpha behind
(as did the Multia folks after they learned better), significant work
would be needed to repackage, power, and cool one of {EV45|EV5|EV56}
into a notebook form factor. A luggable using one of these is a more
likely scenario. .02K
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3609.235 | | TENNIS::KAM | Kam WWSE 714/261.4133 DTN/535.4133 IVO | Mon Jun 10 1996 11:18 | 7 |
| re .234
This maybe true for the EV45|EV5|EV56 but doesn't the EV6 run at
approx. 2 volts with a power rating of around 20 watts vs 43 watts,
which is what we have at 5v/3.3v? Which would make EV6 more applicable
to a small form factor.
Regards,
|
3609.236 | | YIELD::HARRIS | | Mon Jun 10 1996 11:25 | 6 |
| RE: .235
EV56 is currently in the 20W range. EV6 will be higher.
-Bruce
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3609.237 | EV56 could power a notebook.... | LEDDEV::DELMONICO | Jim --<Philippians 4:4-7>-- | Mon Jun 10 1996 12:34 | 17 |
|
>> EV56 is currently in the 20W range. EV6 will be higher.
But if you lower the EV56 operating frequency a little, along
with the supply voltage, and then use some smart power management -
I bet you could get an average power of around 10 watts. Just lowering
the frequency to 233MHz brings the power down to 16 Watts or so.
If someone wanted to tackle an EV56 notebook - the heat could
be managed. We can operate a WHOLE 300Mhz EV45/APECS based workstation
with graphics, CDROM, hard disk, floppy, 256MB memory, 1MB cache, and
inefficient power supply at ~30 Watts wall power in power saving 'sleep'
mode - and that chip set was not in any way designed for power
efficiency.
Random thoughts,
Jim D.
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3609.239 | Gotcha! | PCBUOA::WHITEC | Parrot_Trooper | Wed Jun 12 1996 15:47 | 6 |
|
re: -1.......;^) there's that Nu werdz again,,,,,,"kernal"
AR AR AR
chet
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3609.240 | High flying cluster of Alpha notebooks! | STAR::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Development | Thu Jun 20 1996 18:44 | 27 |
|
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I have heard of folks having LANs running when flying between sites...
But...
I have just had the distinct pleasure of running a cluster whilst
returning from my office in Switzerland on flight SR804 (Swiss Air).
Two Tadpoles make one neat LAVC.
--
Nick de Smith (who can still be interested by nice toys, now and then...)
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3609.241 | Hope they sell a lot! | QUARRY::neth | Craig Neth | Mon Jun 24 1996 18:23 | 24 |
| This was on http:/www.bloomberg.com/, on the Bloomberg Personal page:
ECONOMY AND MARKETS
Europe Today: Tadpole Hopes New PC Will Change It Into a Prince
By Niklas von Daehne
Cambridge, England: Within the next few months, Tadpole Technology
Plc, maker of the world's most powerful portable computers, will find
out if might makes right. The Cambridge, England-based company,
which six months ago was on the brink of oblivion after posting a fiscal
1995 loss of 9.9 million pounds ($15.3 million), is pinning hopes of
survival as an independent company on its Alphabook, the fastest-ever
notebook computer. The seven-and-a-half-pound Alphabook,
developed with Digital Equipment Corp. of the U.S. ``The products they
have are fantastic,'' said Ray Burgum, an analyst at Henry Cooke,
Lumsden. ``But they don't have the manufacturing ethos to get these
products out the door at the right price.'' Tadpole last month said its
first-half pretax loss narrowed to 1.7 million pounds from 5.9 million
pounds in the year-earlier period, primarily as a result of lower
overhead. That lifted its share price 18p to 66. Still, analysts are dubious
that Tadpole has what it takes to turn computing power into financial
fortune. (Full story published 14:39 London time on BBCO3.)
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3609.242 | SPARCbook may turn it into a Prince | USAT02::HALLR | | Tue Jun 25 1996 09:18 | 9 |
| 1. VMS customers are dissappearing. They ask if the ALPHAbook will run
NT. I think the answer is basically that it can but the user won't be
allowed due toomarketing considerations. The result is that a user is
potentially stuck with a 7.5 boat anchor that lists for up to $22k.
2. What about UNIX? "By the end of the year".
So...would I bank on the ALPHAbook to save Tadpole? No... On the other
hand, the SPARCbook is really well done and it's been selling briskly.
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3609.243 | Linux good enough? | TALLIS::GORTON | | Tue Jun 25 1996 09:24 | 6 |
|
Re: .242
>2. What about UNIX? "By the end of the year".
It already runs Linux
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3609.244 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Tue Jun 25 1996 11:41 | 7 |
| VMS customers are not disappearing. In fact, the installed base is growing
somewhat.
I just read a press release about a new semiconductor fab which is to be
run using PROMIS software on OpenVMS Alpha.
Steve
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3609.245 | | YIELD::HARRIS | | Tue Jun 25 1996 12:18 | 11 |
| >I just read a press release about a new semiconductor fab which is to be
>run using PROMIS software on OpenVMS Alpha.
Many Semiconductor Manufacturing plants use VMS machines for WIP
tracking. PROMIS and WorkStream are the two most popular software
packages for this and they both run on VMS. Companies that use these
packages include Intel, Motorola, Analog Devices, AMD, Samsung,
National Semiconductor, Harris Semiconductor, along with Digital. There
are many more, these are simply the ones I know about.
-Bruce
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3609.246 | Investment Protection? | USAT02::HALLR | | Tue Jun 25 1996 14:20 | 5 |
| Point is that customers (Government related at least) are clamoring for
Digital UNIX. I know Tadpole has written (but received no answer yet)
DEC management about improving UNIX availability dates. With NT, I
believe there's a lot of customers who would use Tadpole for VMS but
they're a little nervous about no firm plans to offer NT.
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3609.247 | | TALLIS::SCHULER | Greg, DTN 227-4165 | Fri Dec 13 1996 14:28 | 4 |
3609.248 | DU V4.0B supports Alphabook? | INDYX::ram | Ram Rao, PBPGINFWMY | Fri Dec 13 1996 16:09 | 4
|