Conference 7.286::digital

    Does this mean that software product managers will now report into
    the Systems Business Unit?  Many of the responsibilities listed in .0
    sound like what software product managers do.

    I don't know about reporting relationships, but I understand that all
    of Digital's software products except operating systems and compilers
    will be effectively under the control of the Software Products Group.
    
    My guess is that Nancy will be working with the product managers to get
    their product strategies in line with SPG.
    
    Mark

	... or she WAS the last time I knew.  At one time, she was the Grumman
Aircraft Corp. Account Manager.

Along those lines, is Eli Lipcon related to Jesse Lipcon?

    
    
    	re: -1
    
    	Yes, I believe Jesse and Eli are brothers.
    
    	Diane

    Nepotism is everywhere and does not just occur in digital. It's
    a fact of life for better or worse.
    
    An aside, when I started with digital 15 years ago I seemed to be
    in the minority of having no relations, brothers, sisters, in-laws,
    etc... working here as well. Still true today. 
    
    Jim C.
    

    
    Nepotism is favorable treatment based on family relationships.  Two
    people from the same family working for the same corporation (and
    perhaps even doing so successfully) does not at all imply nepotism.
    
    The cynicism around here is getting out of hand.
    

    I did. You do not have to agree.
    
    

>          <<< Note 2975.9 by ICS::CROUCH "Subterranean Dharma Bum" >>>
>
>    I did. You do not have to agree.
        
        I strongly  resent  and am deeply offended by the way you express
        yourself.  You  are making a very specific accusation of nopotism
        that I don't believe  you have a schred of evidence of.  First of
        all, that's making defamatory statements,  which  you can be sued
        for.  Secondly you are displaying  behavior  that  contrasts with
        the values I hold.  You can  think  what  you want (and I'll have
        more to say about that elsewhere), but you  have responsibilities
        associated with what you say.
        
        Anker
    
    

    re: .10 and what's uncalled for ...
    
>       yourself.  You  are making a very specific accusation of nopotism
>       that I don't believe  you have a schred of evidence of.  First of
    
    I don't see what the fuss is about. ICS::CROUCH makes a very general
    statement about nepotism, in both Digital and other companies. I can't
    see any specifics there. And for what it's worth, there are documented
    cases where it has existed in this company, and management took the
    appropriate actions to stop it. While the whole string of replies might
    imply some question of nepotism, there's no reason to jump on a single
    person about it. *I* asked the original question about the Streckers,
    just because I wondered what the dinner conversation between two VP's
    must be like ...
    
    Perhaps ICS::CROUCH was a bit terse in replying to the idea that he
    hadn't thought before he wrote, but I don't believe that it calls for
    strong resentment and deep offense on anybody's part ...
    
>       for.  Secondly you are displaying  behavior  that  contrasts with
>       the values I hold.  You can  think  what  you want (and I'll have
    
    This works both ways. We are expected to give one another some room
    for interpretation, especially where electronic communications are
    involved. Notesfiles are especially prone to problems, because some
    people treat them almost as private conversations as opposed to the
    public forums that they are in reality. It's a situation where we can
    work together to create new customs and behaviors. Or we can work
    against each other and effectively destroy yet another useful channel
    of human interaction. My vote is for tolerance and cooperation.
    
    Geoff

    A little testy are we? Usually that means something. ;-) Who
    hired you? 8-) Notes are hard on inflections. I never mentioned
    one person, as .11 mentioned it was a general statement.
    
    Though, if you don't believe it happens stick your head back in
    the sand. It happens everywhere in digital, outside, governments,
    etc. 
    
    Sorry if my response is terse. It's my nature.
    
    Jim C.
    
     

        OK, so I blew my fuse. Sorry!
        
        I'd like to  explain  why!    
        
        Nancy Strecker has exactly the same right as the rest of us to be
        treated fairly.  Being married to a senior  executive  cannot and
        should not make it more difficult to make a  career,  nor  should
        being the female spouse.
        
        If someone has concrete evidence that nepotism is being practiced
        bring it forward, formally.
        
        If there  isn't  any  evidence,  but  only speculation, then this
        discussion should be shut down.
        
        Anker

>     I don't know about reporting relationships, but I understand that all
>     of Digital's software products except operating systems and compilers
>     will be effectively under the control of the Software Products Group.
    
    
    Does this include all the Networking software products? (e.g. Pathworks, 
    DECnet etc.)

    re: .14 (Networking software)
    
    I do not know, and I'll bet the bosses don't either.
    
    Mark

    the answer to .14 is 'yes'.

  Does anybody know what these System Business Units are all about?

  Are they responsible for (and/or what is their relationship to):
  Marketing?
  Product management?
  Engineering?
  Manufacturing?
  Sales?
  what else?

Avinash

So far the answer to .14, is probably not.

Network Operating Systems (my and Robert Farago's group) is now headed
Jean Proulx who reports to Bill Strecker.  Now to see how long that
lasts...

    I would be careful about using reporting relationships as the
    yardstick.  These things change constantly and sometimes without
    rationale.  BTW, I thought that Jean Proulx retired from Digital.  Am I
    wrong?
    
    A comment on some replies back...  I recognize that the word "nepotism"
    is a negative one, but it's just "favoritism towards relatives".  In my
    view, it is not an indication of a person's competence.  Does anyone
    agree, or is there an automatic presumption of incompetence?
    
    Mark

    
>BTW, I thought that Jean Proulx retired from Digital.  Am I wrong?
    
    Left to go to an other company but is back now. Grass not greener
    perhaps.
    
    			Alfred

    	You're both right. She took the SERP package, worked for Digital as
    a contractor for several months to "manage the transition" to new
    management, went to Apple on the west coast for a couple of years, and
    is now back at Digital full-time. Just statin' the facts and not
    judging (although I'm jealous of what this must have done to her bank
    account).

    >	You're both right. She took the SERP package, worked for Digital as
    >a contractor for several months to "manage the transition" to new
    >management, went to Apple on the west coast for a couple of years, and
    
    Numbers cant be right- the SERP date was not fully two years ago.
    Exit date for SERP was June 91.

    Numbers may not be exact, but the itinerary is correct...

I think she was only at Apple for one year - just long enough to be
eligible to be rehired?

-steve-

From the announcement... 

"... Jean rejoined Digital in January after an eighteen-month absence
during which she worked for Apple Computer as a Director responsible 
for the port of System 7 to PowerPC. ..."

    I have a customer in the UK who would like to write to Nancy Strecker. 
    Is there anyone who could provide me with her full external postal
    address?
    
    Thanks,
    Susi
    

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