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2738.1 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Good girls go to heaven... | Mon Oct 25 1993 11:12 | 15 |
| Here in Belgium, we've been told that the European Directory (I have
one dating from Jan '92) will no longer be printed. Instead, we have
ELF.
This raises a number of interesting problems. For instance, we have a
lot of contractors, especially in development and support, none of whom
are in ELF. The Directory contains site codes, addresses, telephone and
fax numbers, none of which are available in ELF, or any other FAST
retrieval form. One can't put ELF and VTX in one's briefcase when one
travels. Not to forget, ELF is notoriously unreliable for accuracy of
its data.
Still, I'm sure it saves lots of money.
Laurie.
|
2738.2 | | REGENT::LASKO | normal = ANSI, dim = ASCII | Mon Oct 25 1993 11:31 | 4 |
| Try $VTX TEL for on-line access to the rest of the phone book. Not sure
how complete it is, though.
[If you're local to LKG/DSG, don't use LOOK!]
|
2738.3 | The Directory will not be printed | TRETOP::SAMILJAN | | Mon Oct 25 1993 11:46 | 30 |
| To the best of my knowledge, the Digital Telephone Directory will no
longer be printed. I have been the project manager for production of
the book since it came in-house in 1988. (It was previously published
by an outside vendor. We saved the corporation 80% of the production
costs by bringing it in.)
Unfortunately, while production costs were low, the cost to actually
PRINT the book was very high. I believe this was the biggest factor
in the decision to eliminate a hardcopy version of the directory.
Personnel DTNs are available on ELF. Other information (sites,
departments, etc.) are available by typing VTX TEL at the VMS prompt.
I think all information that appeared in the phonebook is available
in one place or another.
Of course, employees who do not have access to a terminal are out of
luck.
I can't say that I'm happy about the decision to cease printing of a
corporate telephone directory. In my opinion, a company this size,
with so many diverse kinds of jobs and employees, really needs to have
more than just online access to this kind of information. Unfortunately,
I'm not the funder, nor do I have much say in whether or not we publish
a directory.
If you object strongly, I'd complain directly to the department noted
in the front of the phonebook.
Bud
|
2738.4 | The book isn't all that hot either | LOCH::SOJDA | | Mon Oct 25 1993 13:26 | 10 |
| >> Not to forget, ELF is notoriously unreliable for accuracy of
>> its data.
Not to defend the postion of eliminating the hardcopy telephone book,
but, things being the way they are, publishing the book once a year
doesn't introduce any more accuracy.
Larry
|
2738.5 | | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Mon Oct 25 1993 15:08 | 1 |
| The Digital phone book was published quarterly.
|
2738.6 | Yearly is what I understand.... | GENRAL::KILGORE | Cherokee and Proud of It! | Mon Oct 25 1993 15:14 | 10 |
| RE: .5
>> The Digital phone book was published quarterly.
I don't think so. If it was, CXO has missed out on getting copies.
Last received was November 1992. And the local telephone directory
was last published June 1990 (at least the one I have). The CXO
directory is like gold because of the maps with conference room
names that you can look up when the systems are down and you can't
get to the on-line reservation database.
|
2738.7 | stupid | VAXWRK::STHILAIRE | so why can't we? | Mon Oct 25 1993 15:28 | 10 |
| re .6, up until the last couple of years the Digital phone book was
definitely printed at least twice a year, if not quarterly.
Personally, I think it's a mistake not to print a hardcopy. Like other
reason cutbacks, it's only going to result in making it harder for
people to do their jobs. What are people supposed to do if their
system is down for several hours, and they can't access ELF?
Lorna
|
2738.8 | | STAR::PARKE | True Engineers Combat Obfuscation | Mon Oct 25 1993 15:32 | 4 |
| Not to speek of the fact when your system is up and you cannot access
ELF because all of the VTX servers accessable to you are rejecting
connections.
|
2738.9 | 3 x 5 card | WMOIS::STYVES_A | | Mon Oct 25 1993 15:51 | 4 |
|
Rumor has it that the next DTN phone book, if any, will be
typed on a single 3 x 5 index card.
|
2738.10 | ELF is a poor approximation of a phonebook | SMAUG::GARROD | From VMS -> NT, Unix a future page from history | Mon Oct 25 1993 16:58 | 9 |
| The main reason a phone book is needed is that ELF's way of finding
misspelt names is braindead. Unless you know the EXACT spelling ELF
often won't show you the name. Especially if your mistake is in the
first few letters of the name. It DOESN'T do phonetic matching.
But with the phone book I can easily (with my eye) scan through a few
pages of names and find who I'm looking for.
Dave
|
2738.11 | ELF .. one of a family of AwfulApplications | EPS::HARRIS | | Tue Oct 26 1993 07:43 | 9 |
|
.10 is right on
Give me a laptop-usable extract (even in compressed form) from the ELF
database, and I don't need the paper form of the book. No, I don't need
the ELF "user interface" though, thanks ;^)
-tom
|
2738.12 | There's an ELF CLI interface | MUDHWK::LAWLER | Stress, Silicon and Software | Tue Oct 26 1993 07:52 | 16 |
|
> I don't need the ELF "User interface"...
I don't know if it's still officially available or supported,
but we have something called ELF$CLI_FIND.EXE running on our
cluster which provides a command line interface similar to
the old "classic" elf.
I think it only supports the 'find' command (and not the old
"register" but it's far nicer than having to deal with the
VTX stuff...
-al
|
2738.13 | the CLI interface is great for VMS.. | EPS::HARRIS | | Tue Oct 26 1993 08:04 | 8 |
|
ayup - I use that one.
was referring to accessing ELF-type data on a PC. No need to port ELF,
just gimme the data, and I'll use a PC-type ap to access it 8^)
-tom
|
2738.14 | | REGENT::POWERS | | Tue Oct 26 1993 09:20 | 11 |
| > <<< Note 2738.5 by OKFINE::KENAH "I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\" >>>
>
> The Digital phone book was published quarterly.
In the best of times, the phone book was published three times per year,
and this frequency dropped off to twice a year (May and November) around 1989
or 1990.
The last two editions were, I think, November 1992 and November 1991,
so we have already dropped to once a year, if that.
- tom]
|
2738.15 | More in Phone Book than in ELF | ODIXIE::GILPATRICK | | Tue Oct 26 1993 09:25 | 7 |
| There are a lot of other useful things in the phone book besides names
and phone numbers: The outside vs DTN number list, alphabetic list of
all location codes, administrative department numbers, worldwide DEC
office list. Where else are we supposed to find this info in as
convenient a form?
--jim
|
2738.16 | | 49203::BROWNL | Good girls go to heaven... | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:19 | 4 |
| That was exactly the point I made in an earlier note. As I said then,
I'm sure it saves a lot of money.
Laurie.
|
2738.17 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Tue Oct 26 1993 11:23 | 6 |
| I tried VTX TEL. It does not provide an index by site code, making it
very difficult to find out where a site is. It also contains a lot of
obsolete information. I sent these and other complaints to the "information
provider".
Steve
|
2738.18 | on TEL, ELF, the Site listing - has CBR | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Tue Oct 26 1993 11:51 | 47 |
| Steve, you might not need "canned" indexes anymore.
TEL (like jobs_us) has context sensitive full text
retrevial. Interested in a site? Try the SEARCH command.
For example, a partial listing of a search on "LKG" reveals...
1 >: DEPT_LIST : CAFETERIA : 30/Jun/1993
2 >: DEPT_LIST : CONCURRENT ENGINEERING : 30/Jun/1993
3 >: DEPT_LIST : COPY CENTER (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
4 >: DEPT_LIST : DATA CIRCUIT REPAIR : 30/Jun/1993
5 >: DEPT_LIST : EDUCATION ---ENGINEERING (EDGEE) (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
6 >: DEPT_LIST : EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM (EAP) - Telecommu + 30/Jun/1993
7 >: DEPT_LIST : ENTERPRISE MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORKS (DECMCC) (co + 30/Jun/1993
8 >: DEPT_LIST : INFORMATION DESIGN & CONSULTING (IDC) : 30/Jun/1993
9 >: DEPT_LIST : LIBRARIES ---CORPORATE - Digital Library Netw + 30/Jun/1993
10 : DEPT_LIST : MAIL SYSTEMS - Mail Services (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
11 >: DEPT_LIST : MEDICAL DEPARTMENT - Emergency Only (BXC) (co + 30/Jun/1993
12 >: DEPT_LIST : MESSAGE TRANSPORT SERVICE (MTS) - Cluster Nod + 30/Jun/1993
13 >: DEPT_LIST : MESSAGE TRANSPORT SERVICE (MTS) - Cluster Nod + 30/Jun/1993
14 >: DEPT_LIST : NAC TRANSMISSION GROUP : 30/Jun/1993
15 >: DEPT_LIST : OFFICE SERVICES - Franklin (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
16 >: DEPT_LIST : OFFICE SERVICES - Littleton (LKG) (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
17 >: DEPT_LIST : OFFICE SERVICES - Marlboro (Cluster) (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
18 >: DEPT_LIST : OFFICE SERVICES - Maynard (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
19 >: DEPT_LIST : PERSONNEL - Chelmsford (CTC) (con't) : 30/Jun/199320 >: DEPT_LIST : PERSONNEL - Littleton (LKG) (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
21 >: DEPT_LIST : PLANT ENGINEERING - Franklin (con't) : 30/Jun/1993
22 >: DEPT_LIST : RSVP PROGRAM : 30/Jun/1993
and there's more, you can go into the SITE section for...
1 >: USA_SITES : (LITTLETON)Network and Communications Enginee + 05/Oct/1993
2 >: USA_SITES : (LITTLETON)Network and Communications Enginee + 05/Oct/1993
3 >: USA_SITES : (LITTLETON)Simon Tuttle Conference Center Sit + 05/Oct/1993
as for updates, the "entire corporation" (or everyone connected) :-)
can have an entire new phone book and site listing in about 2 hours
after receiving the exact same feeds that would go to the printers.
Of course, no user or system manager has to update anything on their
system, this is all done by one command file (downsizing you say,
how 'bout a corporatewide update that requires 0 people? :-) )
As for not being able to connect to ELF, it's possible to configure
the network side of it for 146 failovers/redundancy servers. If
it's a local issue (a terminal or pc or system down, that is, of
course, a different problem); if it's the net, and there is a problem,
it can be changed.
Don't confuse information avaibility with the delivery systems...
We now return you to the bashing :-)
_bill
|
2738.19 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue Oct 26 1993 11:54 | 4 |
| >I tried VTX TEL. It does not provide an index by site code, making it
>very difficult to find out where a site is.
If what you need to know is "Where is the FOO site?", try VTX SITES.
|
2738.20 | if you happen to find yourself in vtx | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Tue Oct 26 1993 12:16 | 12 |
| btw, a way to get close to the equivalent of "a finger in the
book from a particular point" is F/nof/su=(letter,letter,...)(*)
where F is find, nof is "nofull", su is for surname, =
type as much of the name as you want/know, * for wildcard.
Example:
F/nof/su=too*
/nof optional, but briefer.
That's all some of the CLI interfaces do.
_bill
|
2738.21 | VTX TEL doesn't even follow up on its own references | ROYALT::KOVNER | Everything you know is wrong! | Tue Oct 26 1993 12:30 | 12 |
| I went looking for the internal Field Service number in VTX TEL. Field Service
In-DEC region referred me to Digital Services In-DEC Portfolio - a NON-EXISTANT
entry! I had to call our computer services people and get the number (an OUTSIDE
800 number!) from them. This is a fairly important number to be missing! This
probably cost the company the price of a couple of phone books.
Yes, I did report this.
(If any of you are interested, the number I used is 800 354-9000; then I had to
listen to the automated system (If you forgot to plug in your PC, press 666;
etc.) and 2 levels of menus, before I got to a person. The person handled
everything just fine.
|
2738.22 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Tue Oct 26 1993 13:24 | 17 |
| Re: .18
Oh, I know all about the keywords. Now - from that listing you showed me,
tell me what LKG's street address and FAX number are. Then tell me how
you managed to pull up the Littleton listings in the SITE index starting
from "LKG" (the SITE index is by state!) Then, even if you can figure out
that you want Littleton, MA, which of the three listings are LKG? Nashua
has four listings nowadays, and I have to try each of them before I find
the right one for ZKO.
I'm not saying that VTX TEL is a bad idea - if the indexing was applied with
a bit of common sense from a user's perspective, it would be fine (except
when the VTX server is down or I can't get at a terminal.)
VTX TEL still lists TTB and GSF which are long gone.
Steve
|
2738.23 | List of VTX Options? | CARROL::SCHMIDT | Music's written by living composers | Tue Oct 26 1993 14:10 | 14 |
|
Seems that every time someone looks for a piece of information,
it's in VTX Mumble-Mumble. All you need to know is what the
Mumble-Mumble is.
Is there a directory or listing of these various VTX options,
along with a short description of what they offer? I'm at the
point of constructing my own list, but there must be a better
way.
Thanks,
Peter
|
2738.24 | don't tolerate shoddy service | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Tue Oct 26 1993 14:14 | 9 |
| Complaints about the various online services should be followed up with
the service providers. Let's get them improved!
I just cannot imagine that a decision maker will be compelled to order
new phone books to take care of "system downtime". Come on now! If
your operations people can't keep a system running, then get rid of
them.
Mark
|
2738.25 | Help in constructing your own list | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Oct 26 1993 14:41 | 10 |
| Re: ..23 by CARROL::SCHMIDT:
> Is there a directory or listing of these various VTX options,
> along with a short description of what they offer? I'm at the
> point of constructing my own list, but there must be a better
> way.
Yes. It's called the Corporate VTX Library and it shows up as the
fourth option on the Site VTX Server menu in ZKO. On your local menu,
the order may vary.
|
2738.26 | sometimes you just can't do more with less? | MAZE::FUSCI | DEC has it (on backorder) NOW! | Tue Oct 26 1993 16:39 | 8 |
| re: .24
> Come on now! If your operations people can't keep a system
> running, then get rid of them.
Some might say that you could be confusing "cause" and "effect" here.
Ray
|
2738.27 | One more reason to print phone books | CARAFE::GOLDSTEIN | Global Village Idiot | Tue Oct 26 1993 17:09 | 13 |
| Corporate Videotex Library
The TEL infobase is currently unavailable.
This prototype infobase is still under development. Watch for
official announcement to appear in LIVEWIRE in the near future.
|
2738.28 | I hate VTX | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Tue Oct 26 1993 19:20 | 22 |
| >If what you need to know is "Where is the FOO site?", try VTX SITES.
Okay, I tried this, and got the following response:
That information is not available.
There is no next page.
Also, I have a basic question about VTX. HOW THE $%^^% AM I SUPPOSED
TO KNOW ALL THE &*^*(^&> KEYWORDS????
Oh, you say -- use FIND keyword. I did -- it doesn't work. I looked
through the alphabetical listing -- SITES isn't listed. Very often
there is little or no correlation between the topic and its keyword.
Trying to find something within VTX is very similar to getting
directions in New England -- both expect you to already know where
you're going, and to recognize local landmarks.
andrew
|
2738.30 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Good girls go to heaven... | Wed Oct 27 1993 05:47 | 4 |
| It's all very well bringing in these ideas to "save" money, but it's
imperative that the replacement procedures and tools are IN PLACE FIRST.
Laurie.
|
2738.31 | Wrong Fax number | SUBURB::FRENCHS | Semper in excernere | Wed Oct 27 1993 08:39 | 16 |
| In my opinion the European phone directiry DOES need to be reprinted.
The current one has a numer for a FAX machine in Basingstoke. This fax
recieves all sorts of company critical documents. These documents
includes such things as bids being put together, details of high level
CVs of prospective employees (!) etc.
Unfortunatley the number in the book is wrong. It went to the phone of
another company. The owner of that phone put his phone to the mail room
where there was a fax machine. That mail room also served a direct
competitor to Digital. If it wasn't for a friend of mine who heard
about these faxes and passed them onto me, I hate to think what would
have happened.
Simon
|
2738.32 | The keyword for ALL registered VTX is LIBRARY | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Wed Oct 27 1993 09:21 | 13 |
| The keyword for the menus of all registered infobases is
LIBRARY. So, if you click on and/or enter library, from
any server with the remotes, you should get there.
If you don't have sites, you may be using a server that doesn't
have the library loaded. By the way, the processing for the
remotes is done by Wednesday at 5, so the date on the VTX LIBRARY
page should be the previous Wednesday - sometimes Tuesday.
Steve, the search feature isn't keywords. We can take it
to mail if you have suggestions/question/comments. I might
be able to drop by if you want a demo. You might not have
the current release available, also.
_bill
|
2738.33 | #%&*^&*%^*((*^&!!!! | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Wed Oct 27 1993 09:28 | 8 |
| >The keyword for the menus of all registered infobases is
>LIBRARY. So, if you click on and/or enter library, from
>any server with the remotes, you should get there.
So: why isn't this on the first or second screen of the Corporate
VTX Library? This is EXACTLY what I mean about "already having to
know where you're going."
andrew
|
2738.34 | Very few see corporate listings first | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Wed Oct 27 1993 09:41 | 20 |
| The general layout of the vtx service is a site or group
will decide to set up a server with things of interest to them
at the top. These are like private notesfiles or unannounced
conferences, they don't need to be registered, the site or group
just makes the services available to their customers.
Next level is typically a region or organization. Europe, the
U.K have great vtx services, in the U.S., most see vtx through
the ACCESS program (keyname for that presentation is ACCESS_US) :-)
Last, for any information that people want to make available
to the entire net (and perhaps soon, the Internet), the corporate
library has all the rest.
So, the menus you see, the presentation you get, varies.
However, once you see something you like, keep track of it's
keyword. Using the keyword, you'd be able to get to ANY
information from ANY platform in 19 keystrokes or less from
ANYTHING connected to the net. (Some restrictions apply.
Your mileage may vary. Void where in a surf backwash. Surfing
is so 60's :-) )
_bill
|
2738.35 | | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Wed Oct 27 1993 10:00 | 23 |
| >The general layout of the vtx service is a site or group
>will decide to set up a server with things of interest to them
>at the top.
SO, if I type VTX at the DCL prompt, what I see depends on the whim
of some local administrator? Okay, at this site, one of the choices
is "Corporate VTX Library." I chose that, and tried to find SITES
and later, LIBRARY. Neither is listed. Now, does the Corporate VTX
Library list all Corporate-wide VTX services, or not?
>However, once you see something you like, keep track of it's [sic]
>keyword.
How do you find something that isn't listed? I just tried to find
LIBRARY. It isn't listed anywhere in the Corporate VTX Library.
As far as I can tell, there is no way, from within VTX, to find
out about what's in VTX. (Don't tell me there is. I couldn't
find LIBRARY, the place where I could find out what else is in VTX).
While I'm all for online information access, I can be much more
efficient with an out-of-date DTN phone book than with all the
inadequate online services available.
|
2738.36 | | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Wed Oct 27 1993 10:19 | 23 |
| re : SO, if I type VTX at the DCL prompt, what I see depends on the
whim of some local administrator?
BINGO! This, of course, assumes you are lucky enough
to HAVE a local administrator. VTX has been running itself
for about 8 years or so. (sounds like on your server, one
of the pointers went astray).
Coporate only goes as far as trying to keep track of the
network and announced infobases. We make (free) services
available to those running servers, but do you really think anyone
tagged with "CORPORATE" can actually get the entire corporation
to DO anything? If there are only 3 ways to do the same thing
worldwide, we're lucky! (Those days may be changing).
I invite you to try to (find and) go to all sites and say
"you MUST" run this on your machine" :-) And you
have to stay current. Roughly 24% or more of the corporation
doesn't even know what vtx is, or how it's changed in, oh, the past
2 years. If they're only 2 years out of date, it's pretty
good.
I'll discuss your server situation in mail.
_bill
|
2738.37 | IMHO | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Wed Oct 27 1993 11:38 | 12 |
| It seems we have two problems here.
The first is that the phone book is not just a phone book. It has other
useful information that is being eliminated because the phone book is going
away.
The second is that many people find VTX and its interface to be non-intuitive,
hard to use, and generally annoying.
Combine the two and you get the mess we see here.
Bob
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2738.38 | WRT 2738.37 | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Wed Oct 27 1993 13:00 | 2 |
|
Exactly�!!
|
2738.39 | Integrated Repository | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Wed Oct 27 1993 13:21 | 336 |
| Don't like VTX? You may get your wish...
From: MR4DEC::MROMTS::MROMTS::MRGATE::"SALES::A1::CHOICE.READERS" "26-Oct-1993 1357" 26-OCT-1993 14:12:12.39
To: @Distribution_List
CC:
Subj: Integrated Repository Meeting - November 10th 1
From: NAME: Readers Choice
FUNC:
TEL: <CHOICE.READERS AT A1 at SALES at MRO>
To: See Below
From DEBI FLECK, 297-7307, SALES::DFLECK
DATE: November 10th
TIME: 8:30-1:00
PLACE: General Doriot Conf. Room - Mill
AGENDA:
Presenter Topic Time
--------- ----- ----
Bob Gregorio Introductions 8:30-8:45
Corporate Communications
Strategic Resources
Charlie Holleran Communications Strategy 8:45-9:15
V.P. Communications
Len Levy IM&T Strategy 9:15-9:45
Worldwide Sales & Marketing
IM&T Manager
BREAK 9:45-10:00
Al Goldsworthy Integrated Repository 10:00-10:45
Worldwide Sales
Communication Manager
Technology Demos: 10:45-11:30
Doug Carpenter - Information Collection Tool
Worldwide Information Provider
Processes Manager
Lorraine Morse - Information Mapping
Learning Products Manager
for Health Industries
All Q&A 11:30-12:00
12:00 Tim Walsh - Horizons Demo
Due to limited seating, please RSVP to Debi Fleck (SALES::DFLECK) by November
3rd, with your name and organization, if you plan to attend this meeting.
Also, we encourage you to send a minimum number of representatives per group to
ensure space for a wide variety of attendees. Let me know of any
issues/concerns you may have, when you RSVP, so we can address them at the
meeting.
A transcript and/or slides from the presentations will be available for those
that cannot attend, but would like to be informed of status and future plans
of this initiative.
INTEGRATED REPOSITORY
=====================
INTRODUCTION:
In today's competitive environment, the need for quick and easy access to
information is critical to the success of Sales and Marketing. The
information needs are changing rapidly and the structure of the systems
must be flexible in response.
Although volumes of information are currently available online, it is
difficult to find, often out of date, and nearly impossible to manipulate,
customize or localize. A wide variety of search capabilities have been
implemented on an infobase to infobase basis with little consistency, no
integration and no standard set of terms. Screen design, keystroke
commands and file formats vary widely. Users are forced to adjust,
depending on which database they have accessed, and information owners are
forced to deal with multiple formats to multiple sources to be assured wide
coverage.
The concept of the Integrated Repository was developed by a worldwide,
cross-functional team including the Territories, IM&T, Corporate
Communications, Product Marketing and the Business Units. Since February
1993, the program team has been addressing the following:
* Identifying and streamlining the current infobase structure
* Addressing the currency and relevancy of information
* Creating standards for information creation, storage and retrieval
* Developing a common method of indexing to facilitate search
* Extending the search capability across the information sets
* Improving the collection process to enable efficient updates
Ultimately, this initiative is aimed at maximizing the value and
versatility of marketing communications to sales, marketing, partners and
customers.
We need to improve the current situation for information creators and
consumers, an environment characterized by tens of thousands of documents
and VTX pages that are currently buried within 150+ VTX infobases today.
The effort to build an Integrated Information Repository is not something
that will occur in a few months. The definition and design phases will
take several months of work by the business and IM&T. Many technology
decisions need to be made and migration plans need to be developed to make
current information available through the new repository. Marketing and
Sales IM&T is committed to using rapid prototyping and other efficient
approaches to accelerate our time-to market with information creator tools
and with the Integrated Repository itself.
MISSION:
Increase the worldwide effectiveness of the electronic creation, storage and
distribution of Marketing and Sales information.
INTEGRATED REPOSITORY KEY CONTACTS:
Deb Bennett Corporate Communications MR4DEC::DBENNETT
Debi Fleck Corporate Communications SALES::DFLECK
Marge Duplessis Marketing and Sales IM&T MR4DEC::MDUPLESSIS
Tim Walsh Marketing and Sales IM&T MR4DEC::TWALSH
INTEGRATED REPOSITORY OBJECTIVES:
o Rationalize and consolidate 150+ marketing and sales information infobases
into 12 logical information sets to reduce redundancy
o Establish a common vocabulary for information indexing and retrieval
which works across all information sets using a cross-database
search engine for easier access of information
o Establish standards for information content and format for each of the
information types to assure consistency
o Develop a PC-based Information Creation Environment for Information
Creators to standardize and simplify the submission process
USER BENEFITS:
o Improved data quality and currency
o Information is easier to find and has broader use
o Customization is easier
o Increased overall efficiency in information development, storage, and
retrieval leading to more time to do the core work of selling and
marketing
INFORMATION PROVIDER BENEFITS:
o Submit information once, use often in automated, standardized fashion
o Simplification of information submission process
o Through statistical reports specific information can be monitored
for usage
DIGITAL BENEFITS:
o Cost efficiencies through elimination of redundant systems
o Efficient use of network
INTENDED AUDIENCE OF REPOSITORY:
Direct Sales
Marketing
Other Digital Functional Groups requiring Sales & Marketing Information
Business Partners (at a later date)
Customers (at a later date)
Influencers (at a later date)
THE 12 INFORMATION SETS AND CONTACT NAMES
A large cross-functional team has met for several months to define
12 logical information sets, each of which is composed of multiple
information types.
Below is a listing of those information sets and a contact assigned to each.
Information Set Contact
--------------- -------
1. Business Operations and Standards TBD
2. Company Information Chris Hallgren
3. Competitive Information Chris Hallgren
4. Corporate Strategies, Deb Bennett
Information and Positioning
5. Customer Consumables Charlotte Locke
6. Customer Endorsements Karen Cadrin
7. Events and Training Carol Sidoti
8. Industry Chris Hallgren
9. News, Analysis and Commentary Chris Hallgren
10. Product and Service Offerings Debi Fleck
11. Research and Measurement TBD
12. Resources (People) Margot Walthall
Each category will have someone responsible to manage the information and
give final authorization to install that information in the repository,
recommend strategies for improving the information set contents and
processes, analyze statistical reports, manage content feedback, and assist
in the quarterly update of the Business Plan.
THE PC-BASED INFORMATION CREATION ENVIRONMENT
One of the challenges in building the Integrated Repository is the need to
streamline the information creation and information operations (indexing,
document handling and maintenance) functions. Too often, in the current
environment, we rely on time-consuming, manual processes that don't allow
us to "reuse" (unless we re-key) information. We're investing in building
a PC-based Information Creation Environment to give the information
creators a more standard design in developing information that is truly
"portable" across various end-user needs. This information creation
environment will be built using MS Windows and MS Office as standard
underpinnings and will be designed to be internally consistent with the
Horizons "access" environment. We will be expanding this tool over time by
providing templates, samples and guidelines for each of the information
types within each information set.
THE COMMON STANDARD LANGUAGE
A corporate standard language has been established, containing interrelated
terms and synonyms to facilitate the uniform organization and retrieval of
Digital's worldwide sales and marketing information. Classes of terms
defined include Digital and third-party products, Company names, Industries,
Applications/Solutions, and Business and Marketing terminology. Consistency
of terms is essential for cross-database searching.
Benefits of implementing the CSL;
o Ensures users access to all pertinent information on a given topic
o Eliminates currently redundant and/or conflicting language developing and
indexing efforts
o Establishes a consistent platform in support of current and future
communication deployment initiatives
CROSS-DATABASE SEARCH
The cross database search integrates the selling and marketing information
systems through a common technology. All of the integrated repository
information sets will be included, as well as various other databases
(e.g. DPDS). Through one search query information will be returned from
various areas.
Benefits include;
o Saves time when searching for information
o Increases productivity
KEY ASSUMPTIONS and RESOURCES REQUIRED:
o Capital Investment
o Human Resources
o Management support
o Education/Training
o Support of standards
o Elimination of funding for current infobases from budgets
o Funding/resources allocated for Program Management
MEASUREMENT:
This initiative's success will be measured on;
o Cost savings to the corporation through elimination of redundant systems
and efficient integration of information
o Increased productivity by the user via easily accessible, timely, and
relevant information
MAJOR MILESTONES:
Q1 FY94
o Business Plan created and distributed
o Common Standard Language - terms available via public directory
o Finalize Information Sets and contents within each
o Identify which existing infobases to migrate first and meet with
the appropriate owner to work details
Q2 FY94
o Implementation kick-off meeting
o Contributor Guides developed and distributed
o Training plan developed and implemented
o Cross Database Search Field Test complete
o PC-based Collection Tool prototype developed and tested
o The following information sets established:
Resources
Events and Training
Corporate Strategies, Information, and Positioning
Customer Consumables
Customer Endorsements
o Begin migration of information within the new information sets
o Begin consolidation of infobases
Q3 FY94
o PC Information Creation tool extended to cover additional
information types
o The following information sets established:
Product and Service Offerings
Competitive Information
Industry
News, Analysis and Commentary
o Initial migration of information to the new information sets
o Continue migration of other information
o Continue consolidation of infobases
Q4 FY94
o The following information sets established:
Company Information
Research and Measurement
Business Operations and Standards
o Begin migration of information to the new information sets
o Continue migration of other information
o Continue consolidation of infobases
Distribution:
You received this message because you have a Marketing or Communications
job function. To update your job functions or other information
selections, access Readers Choice using one of the following methods:
- VTX keyword PROFILE
- U.S. Field: In ACCESS select READERS CHOICE under #19, "Selling Tools."
If you have questions, please send mail to Readers Choice @MRO or
SALES::READERCHOICE.
UNIX Users:
- to send VAXmail: [email protected]
- to send ALL-IN-1: [email protected]
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2738.40 | most internal systems have old versions of VTX | RDGENG::POVEY | Tom, REO-D3/3G, DTN: 830-4263 | Wed Oct 27 1993 13:46 | 39 |
| re .37
>>The second is that many people find VTX and its interface to be non-intuitive,
>>hard to use, and generally annoying.
There is a lot of work gone on recently to change this. A new MS-Windows client
will be available soon which is VERY MUCH easier to use. So that's OK for
PC users.
For those of use who still have to use VT's and ALL-IN-1, there is an improved
interface from ALL-IN-1 to VTX with new features that do indeed make it easier
to use.
Getting these improvements to the end user is the hard part. There seems to be
a lot of people who want to spend a lot of money to invent new things (see
note .39!). While there are a few people trying to spend a little money to
make what we have now much more useful. Unfortunately, inventing hugh new
programmes is much more exiting for most people and so that attracts attention.
Ways of spending a little money and improving what we have now appears less
exiting and does not attract much interest. Hence, we can't get our
improvements to VTX out to the end user who needs them. Hence the end user,
(ie the authors of notes just before this reply), think that the product (VTX)
is bad.
Here, in the UK, we have upgraded our VTX software and made available the
new user interface for ALL-IN-1 users. This has helped greatly to improve the
impression of VTX -- and it does help people get the information they need
out of VTX which, after all, is the whole point of tools like VTX.
One more comment, it's much easier to sell VTX to customers outside of Digital than
it is to sell VTX to Digital. Customers at least appreciate the value of the
product and how to use it.
regards,
Tom
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2738.41 | Right you are | KITYKT::GITA | recycled stardust | Wed Oct 27 1993 15:02 | 3 |
| Great note, Tom. Couldn't have said it better myself.....
Gita
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2738.42 | VTX is not the answer | TOOK::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570 | Wed Oct 27 1993 15:33 | 9 |
| I just tried VTX TEL and got a message screen saying it is not yet oper-
ational but will be "shortly".
I just tried VTX SITES and found it very cumbersome.
I hate being dependent on computers and databases (and the faceless people
who support them) to find out something basic like where the DLO site is. I
have learned to live with ELF to find people's phone numbers, but there is no
substitute for a HARDCOPY listing of the other data in the DTN phone book. Can
we afford to have periodic hardcopy updates of this material, which comprises
about 40% of the book?
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2738.43 | The saddest thing is that finding flaws is so EASY! | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Wed Oct 27 1993 16:15 | 11 |
| Oh yeah, one of the really, REALLY neat things about ELF:
It lists Digital employees.
Well, currently my group has three Digital employees, and seven
consultants (two are more or less "full time, five are working
on a specific project).
You cannot find the phone numbers for these people anywhere.
andrew
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2738.44 | | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Wed Oct 27 1993 16:20 | 24 |
| Hi again, Bob. Re .42, well, then the answer (getting to the base
note) is no. Or, not planned now. As for can we afford to have
periodic hardcopy updates - perhaps not if we use MS-WORD or
MS-OFFICE or WWW (exclusively) without something with added value
to sell. :-)
.40 also didn't mention the new TCP/IP support, the ability to
launch MS-WORD, Powerpoint, audio and video files, scalability...
I think it was .37 - Something missing out of the electronic version.
As far as I know, the only function missing was the coupon to clip
out and send in for changes. When the "phone book" service goes
on-line "for real", there should be that link, too, to attempt to
keep the information more accurate.
As for point 2, they don't like vtx (but can finally live with ELF)
I suspect interfaces will be designed compatible with the service.
Always have in the past, no reason to stop now. At least for the
forseeable future, if you have a favorite platform or device,
we'll be able to bring vtx to you; work with us and it might even
be a way you like it. Having something ultimately in vtx - after all
it's just a server, has no real impact on its' final presentation.
You can use vtx clients, try/field test the new clients (when available)
or give us your protocol and it'll serve you, too. (Paper
excluded :-) )
_bill
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2738.45 | What's missing... | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Wed Oct 27 1993 16:28 | 28 |
| re: .44
From the table of contents of the last phone book,
Departmental Listing
Domestic Suggested Calling Times (U.S. Map)
International Time Differences
TDD
Electronic Mail Services
Mail Services
Mail and Small Package Shipping Guide
DECdirect In-house ordering
DIAL
Site Reference System
Site Codes, Locations, DTN (alphabetical)
Bob
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2738.46 | A MAP - ok. | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Wed Oct 27 1993 16:50 | 17 |
| Thanks, Bob. From your list, Departmental listing was 1/2
of what it's all about... U.S. Map - not there! I suppose
we can scan one in. Thanks for the comment.
Time Differences, TDD, Electronic Mail Services, Mail Services
DECdirect, Dial (it's own infobase), Site Reference system -
might have had a name change to Digital Reference System for
Sites and Building were all on a lower menu (when it last
was there, choice 3 - Informational pages) Perhaps a better
title is needed? Your opinion?
A fiscal calendar has also been added.
The coupon might be coming.
So, final tally, we missed a map. I'll see if we can't add that
for all those who look in the phone book for that map. If you
know of one that looks good in ascii, we'd take it.
_bill
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2738.47 | | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Wed Oct 27 1993 17:07 | 20 |
| Excuse me, but where's "there?"
I have no idea about how to find any of these things.
I tried Electronic Mail Services:
- not listed alphabetically
- keywords MAIL, EMS, ELECTRONIC didn't work
- not listed under Data and Information Management
So, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't exist. I suspect if I wnet
search for any of the other "services" you listed, I'd have equal
success in finding them.
By the way, I'm not sitting on some backwater system, I'm located
at the Spit Brook facility.
andrew
andrew
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2738.48 | | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Wed Oct 27 1993 17:22 | 5 |
| re: .46
Yes, could you please tell us how to find those things???
Bob
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2738.49 | We can go to mail anytime you want.... | WELKIN::ADOERFER | Hi-yo Server, away! | Wed Oct 27 1993 17:31 | 7 |
| You're not the only ones to miss it, so perhaps when it
returns it'll be changed. Too much information on a screen
makes it look too cluttered, but people are missing it.
It was vtx tel (the prototype phonebook) choice 3 (informational
pages). Perhaps if we just said table of contents someplace, it
would be clearer? And again, with cbr it might have been found.
_bill
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2738.50 | Policy change: There WILL be a Phonebook | TRETOP::SAMILJAN | | Wed Nov 03 1993 10:18 | 19 |
| In note 2738.3, I wrote that the phonebook would no longer be printed.
Well, the funder must have received plenty of negative feedback; I
got a phonecall yesterday afternoon informing me that the book
would be printed after all. The print schedule has not been revised
yet, but they want the book "as soon as possible."
Just to clarify a couple of points: The phonebook used to be printed
three times a year. In 1989, we went to twice a year, and since
November, 1991, it has been an annual book.
At this point in the company's history, we would have to print the book
monthly to keep up with the personnel, site, and organization changes.
Printing the book annually will not (obviously) always provide the most
current information, but it will remain a useful tool for about a year.
So, the book will be printed and I expect it will available in late
December or early January.
Bud
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2738.51 | Given the inherent inaccuracies of things like these... | OKFINE::KENAH | I���-) (���) {��^} {^�^} {���} /��\ | Wed Nov 03 1993 10:51 | 4 |
| Are they soliciting information to assure that personal phone numbers
are as accurate as possible?
andrew
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2738.52 | Can I get it on CD? | NETRIX::thomas | The Code Warrior | Wed Nov 03 1993 11:12 | 1 |
| It's save for a few tress at least...
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2738.53 | For a correct listing... | TRETOP::SAMILJAN | | Wed Nov 03 1993 15:24 | 14 |
| re: .51
To be sure your info in the phonebook is correct, you can do two
things:
1. Check your ELF info. Correct any mistakes.
2. Check with your PSA to make sure your info in the Employee Master
File is correct.
That will cover all the bases. The personnel information in the
phonebook is extracted from these databases.
Bud
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2738.54 | | ROYALT::KOVNER | Everything you know is wrong! | Wed Nov 03 1993 15:39 | 6 |
| I know my phone number will be changing as of 19 Nov - but I don't know the new
one, so I can't verify the info.
All of the Components and Perhipherals PBU is moving from leased space to MRO by
that date. This is about 500 people, so the people producing the phone book
might want to wait until this info can be updated.
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2738.55 | ics::directory | DELNI::WHEELER | Chickens have no bums | Wed Nov 03 1993 20:21 | 7 |
|
Or even better, if your phone number listed in ELF is not
correct, send mail to ICS::DIRECTORY. Be sure to include
name, badge, old dtn and new dtn
/Robin
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2738.56 | | AUSSIE::MOSS | Microcode: makes a cat run like a dog | Mon Nov 08 1993 20:18 | 9 |
| While we're reprinting the telephone book, why not make it truely
representitive of Digital by including all the employees.
Digital's world is, after all, bigger than the region bounded by
the Mainland USA.
With all the 'restructuring' over the last few years, the book shouldn't
be much larger when this is done :-)
David from Australia
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2738.57 | The new phone book's here! | WRKSYS::REISERT | Jim Reisert, AD1C | Thu Jan 13 1994 13:04 | 28 |
|
From: NAME: CNS East Site Delivery
FUNC: CNS - Eastern Sites
TEL: PKO/MSO/MLO/OGO <SUBSCRIBER.CNS AT A1 at ICS at PKO>
To: See Below
DIGITAL TELEPHONE DIRECTORY
The latest edition of the Digital Telephone Directory dated
December 1993 is now available. MLO employees may get their
books from the Mailroom (MLO 3-1 pole 25c) open 7:00 a.m.
to 5:00 p.m., or from Shipping/Receiving (MLO1-1 pole 21)
open 7:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
If you require a large quantity, and wish to schedule delivery,
call DTN 223-2308 to make arrangements.
For security reasons old books must be turned in when new books
are issued.
To Distribution List:
[deleted]
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2738.58 | Can you swap one for two? | 39999::NICHOLS | | Thu Jan 13 1994 16:23 | 1 |
| Bet the new one's alot thinner! :-)
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2738.59 | thinner and delicious | ASDG::DFIELD | the Unit | Thu Jan 13 1994 16:28 | 9 |
|
It is.
From about 5/8-3/4" to 3/8-1/2"
Oh well, at least I'm still in it.
DanF
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2738.60 | 50 pages thin | MEMIT::SILVERBERG_M | Mark Silverberg MLO1-5/B98 | Fri Jan 14 1994 06:35 | 5 |
| about 50 pages thinner
but they got my number wrong
Mark
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2738.61 | They got at least 500 entries wrong | GWEN::KOVNER | Everything you know is wrong! | Mon Jan 31 1994 17:29 | 3 |
| This was printed just before Components and Perhipherals moved from site DSG
(leased space in Westford) to MRO. DSG is now closed, but I'm still listed as
being there.
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2738.62 | Tens of Thousand of entries missing as usual. | STAR::VANDENHEUVEL | Will work for money | Tue Feb 01 1994 10:42 | 30 |
| RE .61> Title: They got at least 500 entries wrong
I'll call [sic] your 500 and raise you 30,000!
As always, there are again only US entries in the directory.
Does the rest of the world not really count?
Are folks from the Europe & GIA field organizations not equally likely
to need to contact some central function as some from the field in the US.
Is anyone not equally likely to need a resource in PRL (Paris, France)
as a resource in WRL (Palo Alto, US) ?
Does not just about every site in Europe also have DTN access and if not,
the directory does have the abilty to print Direct Inward Dial numbers?!
Is it perhaps that there are different organization responsible for the data?
So What? Is that not an excellent opportunity for further integration and to
reduce overhead? And at any rate, are we not supposed to be a number one Data
and/or System Integrations company? Let's use what we (try to) sell!
Hein (currently First Class Citizen, formerly Second Class Citizen)
[Yes, i will send this message to ICS::Directory]
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