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2346.1 | | GOLF::WILSON | Life in the oncoming lane | Wed Jan 27 1993 13:08 | 10 |
| We received the same memo thru VAXmail from our manager. It's really
a sad state when quarterly review and downgrading of TFSO packages are
considered to be a part of "keeping with our normal business practice".
Can anyone point me in the direction of any recently distributed memos
telling us what's being done to increase revenue, profits, productivity
and employee morale as part of our "normal business practice"? I haven't
see any in a while and could use a little pick-me-up.
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2346.2 | What's the law here? | MR4DEC::HARRIS | Cent milliards d'�toiles | Wed Jan 27 1993 13:12 | 4 |
| How does the seven-week pay period square with the 60-day notification
period mandated by federal law?
Mac
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2346.3 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Wed Jan 27 1993 13:18 | 9 |
| > How does the seven-week pay period square with the 60-day notification
> period mandated by federal law?
My understanding is that the 60 days applies to plant closings not
layoffs or reductions in force (which is what this is). Besides we
haven't hired many in the last 2 years so it wouldn't be to hard to
make sure everyone gets at least 9 weeks pay.
Alfred
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2346.4 | Advance Notice | BTOVT::SOJDA_L | | Wed Jan 27 1993 13:23 | 18 |
| >> How does the seven-week pay period square with the 60-day notification
>> period mandated by federal law?
As has been pointed out elsewhere in this notesfile, the 60-day federal
law doesn't apply to *all* terminations, only those that involve a
whole plant closing or substantial layoffs at a single facility. So,
in many (though not all) TFSO's, Digital isn't obligated to provide 60
days notification but has chosen to give 9 weeks pay (approximately 60
days) in lieu of the notification anyway. In these cases, dropping
this back to 7 weeks doesn't put them in any violation of the law.
In those instances where Digital is obligated to give 60 days
notification, they can get around it by simply telling you 2 or more
weeks ahead of time that your number is up and then give you the 7
weeks pay.
Not a nice thing to do but legal.
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2346.5 | "Treading water here" | BWICHD::SILLIKER | Crocodile sandwich-make it snappy | Wed Jan 27 1993 14:13 | 10 |
| Um...I thought that Mass passed a law that a minimum of 9 weeks
severance pay has to be issued, which makes me wonder how that squares
with the 7 weeks just announced...I am not really clear on
this...except what I do know is that those they considered MOST
expendable and let go a coupla years ago walked out of here with fine,
FAT TFSO packages, and now they are cutting into the very guts of the
organization, and we get virtually nothing...sends some message,
doesn't it, although I realize that is not what was intended...
Just wondering,...
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2346.6 | | THATS::FULTI | | Wed Jan 27 1993 14:20 | 16 |
| re: .5
> Um...I thought that Mass passed a law that a minimum of 9 weeks
> severance pay has to be issued, which makes me wonder how that squares
> with the 7 weeks just announced...I am not really clear on
> this...except what I do know is that those they considered MOST
Again, I believe that the Mass. law applys to plant closings and not
general layoffs ala the 'federal law'. I also believe that the federal
law was modeled after the Ma. law.
I also doubt that DEC would do something as stupid as violating a law
that it obviously went to extremes to avoid violating previously.
But, one never knows does one?
- George
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2346.7 | | CSOA1::LENNIG | Dave (N8JCX), MIG, Cincinnati | Wed Jan 27 1993 14:53 | 5 |
| Interesting that eveyone's focusing on the 9 wk to 7 wk reduction;
Didn't anyone notice the 0-10 to 0-15 range change? That is, besides
the 2 wk up front reduction, they also dropped 1-5 wks for yrs 11-15.
Dave
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2346.8 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Wed Jan 27 1993 15:11 | 12 |
| RE: .7
> Interesting that eveyone's focusing on the 9 wk to 7 wk reduction;
> Didn't anyone notice the 0-10 to 0-15 range change? That is, besides
> the 2 wk up front reduction, they also dropped 1-5 wks for yrs 11-15.
I noticed it. But I suspect it's not a big deal to people with
less then 10 years service. To them the whole drop is in the 9 to
7 week reduction. For those of us, like me, with greater than 10
years it's a bit more critical.
Alfred
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2346.9 | how about | WBC::DEADY | "...that's as green as it gets..." | Wed Jan 27 1993 15:44 | 6 |
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Perhaps the drop to 7 weeks is accompanied by an "assumption" that the
8th and 9th week would be your accrued vacation?
fred deady
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2346.10 | 45 or 60, Which is the Law? | FHOPAS::JAMBE::Mac | Lemmings are Born Leaders! | Wed Jan 27 1993 17:49 | 13 |
| Re: Several previous - 60 day notification period.
I've not read the actual "law" regarding notification, but in a
conversation with a local dec lawyer, the subject of 60 days came up and
it was stated that the Federal law only required a 45 day notification,
and other criteria applied, (ie. manufacturing site, # of people
impacted, etc.)
Can anyone confirm the actual federal law? Post it?
Anyone with a LEXUS or WESTLAW account?
FWIW -
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2346.11 | what is the date for this one? | STAR::ABBASI | free like a bird | Wed Jan 27 1993 18:12 | 11 |
| hi,
i cant see from .0 when it say the TFSOing will actually happen?
any one knows? you remember how it was last year when every
one knew that it will be DECember 7 or the 14th, how about for
this one? is there such a fixed date too?
thanks!
\bye
\nasser
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2346.12 | Coming soon! Middle of Feb? | ELMAGO::BENBACA | oDoTretteBgnihtynAevaHuoYt'noD | Wed Jan 27 1993 19:02 | 1 |
| The Valentines day massacre
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2346.13 | RULES TO LIVE BY | GLDOA::SEVIC | | Wed Jan 27 1993 21:16 | 2 |
| Everyone has been TSFO'ED, just some of us get to hang around longer
than others.
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2346.14 | Not an official Abe Lincoln's holiday, but close... | BTOVT::WORCESTER_J | | Thu Jan 28 1993 12:42 | 3 |
| 12 February... phase II of Burlington, Vt plant's downsizing...
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2346.15 | What happened to the Valentines day massacre? | 19522::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS AXP Development | Wed Feb 24 1993 12:50 | 7 |
|
So, we are almost to the end of February. Could some one post a summary of what
happened this month? There are notes that confirm the downsizing of Burlington
and at CXO. Was anything else hit?
-Paul
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2346.16 | just wait | 34860::BABCOCK | | Wed Feb 24 1993 14:10 | 6 |
| I THINK IT GOT POSPONED. We were told this morning that our hit will
be in early March.
We will survive!
Judy
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2346.17 | delays or delaying tactics | HIBOB::KRANTZ | Next window please. | Wed Feb 24 1993 16:51 | 6 |
| People in CXO were told that corporate EXPECTED to have all the TFSO
work/approval done before the end of March, but that delays MIGHT
prevent events from completing by the end of March. There are
people waiting to start new jobs at other companies - it feels
like corporate wants people to have to leave without getting
a package...
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2346.18 | | AKO598::SHERK | | Wed Feb 24 1993 17:20 | 7 |
| I received a transition package from a company once which had a
stipulation that my pay would continue up until the time I took
another job. It would seem to be appropriate here since the T
in TFSO stands for transition.
Ken
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2346.19 | New goal: 100K? | STAR::PARRIS | Any port in a STORME:CI,SCSI,DSSI,FDDI | Thu Feb 25 1993 12:26 | 19 |
| This week's Information Week has an article on DEC and Robert Palmer.
I found the side-bar on page 76 interesting:
Palmer's 3Rs
Reduce
o Cut work force to about 100,000 employees
o Consolidate product lines
o Slash engineering costs
Reorganize
o Revamp corporate structure
o Establish business-unit focus by industry sector and product lines
o Recruit outside managers
Refocus
o Instill a customer-driven orientation
o Highlight software and system integration services
We're already at about 100,000 employees now, right?
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2346.20 | | ICS::CROUCH | Subterranean Dharma Bum | Fri Feb 26 1993 07:11 | 5 |
| We're probably about to take on another 15,000 from another
aquisition. We will still need to TFSO another 15,000. ;-)
Jim C.
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2346.21 | | SAHQ::LUBER | Atlanta Braves: 1993 World Champions | Fri Feb 26 1993 08:27 | 1 |
| Maybe he meant cut the workforce BY 100,000 employees 8:(
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2346.22 | Microsoft has about 15k people :-) | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Fri Feb 26 1993 15:44 | 5 |
| RE: .20
Who the hell are we buying now?
mike
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2346.23 | Lost 2 in NR03... | MR4DEC::FBUTLER | | Tue Mar 02 1993 07:58 | 5 |
|
We have lost a couple of people from the Cust. Svc. group that supports
us in the Trade Show/Customer Event area, and it sounds like there are
still a couple that haven't been told yet...
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