Conference 7.286::digital

>Is it just me or is this notesfile getting more hostile these days???

	It's just you. You should have been here in the early days. :-)

	Seriously, this conference like many others goes in cycles. These
	days a lot of people are on edge and there is some hostility. But
	I don't really see it as much worse then it has been in the past.

			Alfred

    This conference and the jobs notes conference must follow the same
    cycle.  The more resumes you see appearing in US Jobs, the more hostile
    this conference becomes....
    
    gil
    

    What you are reading in the notes file these days appears to be only
    reality to me.  Many (most) employees are frustrated by the way they
    are being treated, the uncertainty of employment, lack of senior management
    leadership, etc, etc.  Should I go on?  I do however think it is
    healthy to "vent".  I just wish someone in senior management would
    reads these notes and wakeup.
    

    I agree with the basenote.  If you have a different point of view from
    the majority, your "stoned" by the masses.  I find this note to be
    a 'read' only note.  I have actually been biting my tongue on alot of
    these notes because I march to the beat of a different drummer.
    Let us all chill out, everyone has their own opinions, and opinions
    don't get it done, now do they?
    
    All is well. Life is grand.
    bob
    f

    
    i agree with previous callers too, i think it is all because we work
    in cubes, i mean here you are stuck inside a small cube all day,
    you become cuby-phobic and your nervous systems gets on its edges
    and more intense, i find that people who work next to a window and can 
    see the outside spaces from where they sit to be a more calmer and 
    happy people,  but those of are on the inside and cant see the air 
    outside are the ones who scream in notes files to steam off the phobic
    feelings inside them.

    all this modern closed buildings working environment is making people
    like that, if we all worked in close to nature and had fresh air
    and worked in the Caribbean like Mr Dick Beldin does, every one will
    love each others and be happy and starts stopping to smell a rose 
    and will not scream at others.
    
    /nasser

    RE Basenotes
    
    you oughta hang around soapbox for a day.
    Next to imposible to get out of there unscathed, unless
    you just read and don't reply!
    
    

    Yes, most definitely. People are tense and very aggressive
    everywhere. Especially here at DEC, where we have the double
    whammy of a lousy economy at both our government and our company.
    
    re: .4  Just to clarify, you weren't "stoned" because you march 
    to a different drummer.  It was because YOU were the aggressor. 
    Having a different opinion is fine. Telling everyone else that 
    their opinions and concerns make you sick and that this notes file 
    is a crock of %$*&@ is what did it. If you don't want to be stoned,
    don't throw stones.
    
    Rick

    >Is it just me or is this notesfile getting more hostile these days???
    
    >Just wondering.....
    
    
    What's it to you?
    
    
    :-)

    Re .5
    
     Not to send this pleasant conversation down the rathole but I
    think you hit a good point. I have always's felt the cubicles
    forced us to be individual contributors in the true sense of the
    phrase. (Anybody else here find it funny that management call us
    "individual contributors" while beating on us to develop a team
    spirit? but that's for another rathole...)
    
     My group recently decided to move a group of us to a new office
    area that is owned by the CC and will reduce cost. The new office
    area was brand_spankin_new 2 years ago so what's the first thing
    they do? Tear up the offices (somebody doesn't like open offices)
    and paint the walls because somebody doesn't like powder blue. I 
    guess that knocks this year's raise down a notch or two.
    
     Yeah, people are getting more aggressive. I don't know about 
    everybody else out there but after I write out checks for my bills,
    pay my real estate taxes (which went up 14% this year), jump in my 8 
    year old Chevy truck, pass by a couple of homeless people on the
    way to the post office, then drive into work, I am not in a good mood
    to hear that a pleasantly inhabitable office area will be torn up
    because "somebody didn't like it".
    
     I realize I'm being aggressive here and possibly biting the hand
    that feeds me, it is just very painful for me to watch money being
    ABSOLUTELY WASTED when there are so many more important things that 
    need be fixed.
    
    
    In my not_so_humble opinion...
    
    Glenn

    Well, Nasser, there's a cure for cubitis.  I get up and walk around and
    pester other people in their offices at least five times a day.  I
    never use the telephone to talk to someone in the building, I go to
    his/her office.  It gives me that change of pace (and lets me look out
    the window at the palm trees and green grass)!
    
    Anyway, just 'cause the weather is so nice down here, it isn't a big
    deal.  I mean, if tomorrow is going to be just as beautiful as today,
    why get excited?  But, I'll have to admit, when I made the decision to
    live down here 35 years ago, I was under a magic spell.  Its taken a
    long time to get blas� about nice weather 365 days a year.
    
�j� 
    

    
    
    To me it seems that 'flaming up' is strongly dependent on
    committing one's heart and soul to the company and then getting 
    frustrated seeing that it is heading in another direction then
    oneself expects.
    
    I prefer committing my heart to my girlfriend ...
    
    							helmut
    

    re .11
    
    I think you've got the key.  Many men (especially, but some women too)
    in the American culture think that their work is their life.  I used to
    think the same way.  With age, one realizes that there is life beyond
    the work we do for pay.  We need to detach emotionally from our paid
    work to manage our entire lives.
    
    Dick

    RE: Base note,
    
    Yes, this notesfile is getting more hostile, people as a whole are more
    hostile.
    
    I attended a stress management seminar and the speaker said it is not
    the economy that is getting everyone stressed out, it is each other!
    
    All we do these days is b__ch at each other and complain about each
    other!  How about a little support for each other as co-workers, from
    the CEO down, we are all human beings just trying to do our jobs. 
    He said we are kinder to strangers than we are to our loved ones and 
    co-workers.   Sure made me think twice.
    
    Let's have a little compassion and support each other in a common goal.

    
    Hey, .13 -- stick it in your ear!!
    
    
    
    :-)      (please don't miss the smiley face...)
    
>    I attended a stress management seminar and the speaker said it is not
>    the economy that is getting everyone stressed out, it is each other!
    
    Somewhat akin to the statement, "Guns don't kill people -- people kill
    people."
    

    >>Is it just me or is this notesfile getting more hostile these days???
    
NO, DAMMIT!! HOW COULD YOU EVEN SUGGEST SUCH A @#%%! THING!  JEEZ!
    
    8^)
    
    

    re: .13
    
    Well, maybe we should reach over and give the next guy a hand, but when
    the CEO makes better than a � Mil per year and I just spent the last 10
    minutes explaining the lat mortgage payment to the bank, it's a bit
    difficult for me to feel any sympathy for some of my fellow creatures. 
    
    
    :^(
     

    there is more complaining in this notesfile than say 4-5 years ago. a
    reflection of the times i say. still there shouldn't be personal
    attacks and gang type attacks that some replies seem very close to. 
    
    gene

    Do you know? That an elephant shrew never closes it's eyes.

    >Do you know? That an elephant shrew never closes it's eyes.

    hi, is this like an English language expression? i mean i looked shrew up
    and it means:
     1. n. 1. A very small mouselike mammal with pointed nose.

    now, an elephant has pointed nose off course, but it is not small
    mammal, and what does it mean to not close it eyes?

    iam sure this is an expression, but never heard it before and i'd
    like to know what it really mean so i can add it to my expressions
    collections.

    does it mean a one who noses around is always looking for trouble?
    or a one with smell for trouble has to be careful and have their eyes
    open all the time?

    thank you,
    /nasser

    No this is just a piece of jibberish,incidently,do you know?There is no
    proper name for the back of the knees.

    
    back of the knee = popliteal area

    what would chairs look like if our knees bent in the opposite
    direction?
    
    Ogre.

    There is such a thing as an elephant shrew. It has a longer nose than
    an "ordinary" shrew.
    
    Laurie.

    Yes you know your stuff,and to elaborate on this shrew thing.Do you
    know that there at least 12 types of elephant shrews?
    Did you know that they are all African?
    Did you know that the proper name for the back of an Elephant shrews'
    knees are Elephant shrew popliteal areas?
    Did you know that all crime is due to incorrect breathing?
    

        ref .22

    >what would chairs look like if our knees bent in the opposite
    >direction?

    if our knees were bend up backwards like you say, then we wont need
    any chairs to start with, because you will not be able to get up from
    bed and walk to get to work and sit on the chair in the first place.

    if your knees were backwards, i guess you'll spend all day in bed 
    moaning and screaming.

    /nasser
    who_wants_to_be_a_rocket_scientist_one_day

    >...i guess you'll spend all day in bed moaning and screaming.
    
    Would this be an improvement over spending all day in notes moaning and
    screaming?

    RE: .20  by KURMA::GBRUCE 
    
    >No this is just a piece of jibberish,incidently,do you know?There is no
    >proper name for the back of the knees.
    
    Hamstring?
    

    Stupid me, I always thought it was the kneepit...
    
    Al