Conference 7.286::digital

    My personal guess at 2. is John Sims, who has been a senior VP for a
    number of years and is an extremely sensitive and articulate man.
    
    As for 4., the standing joke is that org charts are printed on toilet
    tissue because they both last equally long.  
    
    I haven't a clue on 1. or 3.
    
    fwiw,
    
    Dick

	... the highest positioned woman in DEC is probably Rose Ann Giordano.
She's U.S. marketing VP, and has had a VP title for some time.  FWIW!!

The Personnel Policies & Procedures manual has an org chartin the
front.  Unfortunately it is not printed on toilet paper and is,
therefore, out-of-date more often than not these days....

    Re: Roseanne Giordano...heard she took the SERP!
    Re: "People of Color"...everyone has color-there are no transparent
    people on the planet!
    
    And in keeping with the times...Colored became Negro became Black
    became African American...so the term "people of color" tends to
    refer to all non Anglo-Saxon people today.

>    became African American...so the term "people of color" tends to

becomes a bit blasted rediculous if you happen to be referring to one of the
vast majority of people who are *NOT* american, and a large number who are not 
of African descent !!!!!!!

    
>    And in keeping with the times...Colored became Negro became Black
>    became African American...so the term "people of color" tends to
>    refer to all non Anglo-Saxon people today.

Agreed.

Besides Black, there are lots of Asian poeple in this company. Dick Yen
is Asia Mfg V.P before he took the SERP. He is Chinese blood.


Michael..

    Well, there are, as I recall, several different, um, subspecies.
    These include "white," "black," American Indian, Asian, Polynesian,
    Aleut, and "Abo" (the Australian "aborigine").  I hope I haven't missed
    any.
    
    One of the nice things about Notes is, that unless one specifies it
    (or the name is suggestive), not even gender is presented; just
    opinions.   Other than that the person mentioned is a movie star, 
    a name like "Whoopi Goldberg" wouldn't tell you much about the person
    it's connected to; so even names aren't a reliable indicator.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    re:4  "black Irishwoman"
    
    It is my understanding that BlackIrish refers to people of
    Irish-Spainish decent from the days of the Spanish Armada.  My wife
    falls into that category; she has red hair, freckles and sun burns very
    easily.                  

                      <<< Note 1927.9 by MORO::WALDO_IR >>>
                                -< BlackIrish >-

    It is my understanding that BlackIrish refers to people of
    Irish-Spainish decent from the days of the Spanish Armada.  My wife
    falls into that category; she has red hair, freckles and sun burns very
    easily.                  


And I thought "black Irish" were dark haired and didn't burn (the Spanish
genes, I guess).  At least that's what my Irish mom told me.


Bob

Sorry, but couldn't resist this small digression...

I met an Algerian last week who is a Berber. He hopes to become an American
citizen in the coming years. He said once he does, he will be able to
categorize himself as an "African-American", which he found quite amusing,
because Arab and Berber people do not consider themselves African in the least,
even though they live on the African continent. 

Likewise, he does not consider American blacks to be African-American. He said
they are no more "African" than any other American, or than he is.

To him, "Africa" means "Black" Africa, and an African-American is a Black
African who has recently become an American. And the child of that African-
American is just another American. What his race or color is is another story,
he said. 

But he would be glad to accept the African-American classification if there was
any advantage to be gained by doing so, he said. 

Hey, unfair! :-)

    
    James,
    
    1. Anne Jenkins (secretary to Ken Olsen)
    
    2. John Sims 
    
    3. ??????????
    
    4. Changes to fast!

    
    	re .0
    
    	It makes no difference to me what race, color, sex, or religion
    	happens to classify the people "in power" at DEC.
    
    	I find your curiosity over this to be amusing.
    
    	John
    

    KO's religious orientation does have some effects on Digital, although
    that is the only case I personally know about. Other than that, I agree
    with .-1.

  AWAGA......AWAGA......AWAGA.......(the nearest I can get to the sound of
    a warning siren)
    
      RAT HOLE!!!!!! RAT HOLE!!!!!!!!

        Re: .11 (the `African-American' Berber)

        I have a friend who is clearly an African-American--he grew up
        in Africa and is now living in the United States.  He is also a
        white ex-resident of South Africa.
        
        					B.J.

    RE: -.2
    
    That's Ah-OOOH-Gah.....

re: the trendy new "African-American" label,

	I find this label amusing since evolutionary theory shows
    that if one could trace their lineage back far enough, then we're
    *all* of African descent.  Therfore, any term prefixed by the term
    "African" to designate one's ancestral origin is a bit ambiguous.

				  -davo

p.s.    Legend has it that my Great Great Great Great....etc., Grandpa
	was chased off of the African continent thousands of years ago
	by a charging rhinocerous).

    davo:
    
    I wish they were more fun.  They're mostly a lot of trouble. Didja ever
    see a description of someone, describing them as "White", or "Black"?
    How would you ever find such a person?  It'd be a good idea to ask
    Newspeople to have color charts which would be on the periphery of
    one's TV screen.  When they needed to describe the color of a person,
    they'd only need point; after all, there are millions of hues, and
    we've got names for just a few.
    
    "Race"? Nobody knows what that really is.  If you really wanna know,
    ask your friends for their DNA "read-out" and send it to your friendly
    Genetics Counselor.
    
    Richard B

>re: the trendy new "African-American" label,
>
>	I find this label amusing since evolutionary theory shows
>    that if one could trace their lineage back far enough, then we're
>    *all* of African descent.  Therfore, any term prefixed by the term
>    "African" to designate one's ancestral origin is a bit ambiguous.

	The "Out of Africa" theory is just that, a theory, there are
	eminent scientists who support this theory, there are also
	eminent scientists who do not - especially since the skelleton
	of a child was found in the middle East that pre-dates anything found
	in Africa.

	Heather

    
    Depends what you believe in.	:-)
    
    Adam and Eve were African?
    

    African origin of Homo Sapiens...
    
    Also discussed in PEAR::SOAPBOX.

Let's try to keep the replies focused on the topic.

Thanks,

Bob - Co-moderator DIGITAL

>    Depends what you believe in.	:-)
>    
>    Adam and Eve were African?
 
	Indeed it does, and not many people believe in Adam and Eve!

	Heather   

In the bad old days, South Africa used to go in for racial classification
with boards of review and appeals and the whole bit.  I recall one 
decision stating, "If applicant thinks that just because his parents and
brothers are classified as white that he will be so classified as well, he
is in error.  Application denied."

    Re: .25

    | Indeed it does, and not many people believe in Adam and Eve!


    More so than you'd probably care to discover or admit, but then that's
    another topic...  8)

    John
    Who-couldn't-let-that-statement-go-unchallanged

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