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1801.1 | | PBST::LENNARD | | Tue Mar 10 1992 15:55 | 2 |
| Yawwwwwwwn.........exactly the same stuff I was taught in Infantry NCO
Leadership School at Fort Jackson, S.C. in 1952. No biggee!
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1801.2 | Few NCOs at DEC | ESGWST::HALEY | | Tue Mar 10 1992 18:42 | 10 |
| re .1
Obviously we have very few leaders (managers) who went to Infantry NCO
Leadership School at Fort Jackson, S.C. in 1952 with you. I would like to
see even 45% [ :)] of his suggestions followed at DEC.
How about if we start with: Clear Goals, Let your people know where they stand,
Lay out the concept but let your people execute it, Never lie, and When in
Charge, Take command?
Matt
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1801.3 | it's NOT a ho-hum issue!!! | SWAM2::KELLER_FR | | Wed Mar 11 1992 03:03 | 23 |
| re.1: I disagree; I don't think it is "ho-hum" stuff. It's probably the
only thing that will save Digital. Some people seem to think that ALPHA
will save Digital; that we can keep everything the same and not have
our act together and that ALPHA will take us back to the good old days
when we sold everything we produced regardless of how inefficient and
poorly managed we were. BS! That's not how it's going to work.
As I read the note on Sales Support time reporting I see how far we
have to go. Major decisions are being made on poor information, both
from failed management practices which purport to be reporting accurate
information, and from a lack of input by those that have given up
trying anymore.
But there's some good too. Corporate is getting the message, although
it may seem like they're not. A memo by Tom Colatosti summarizing the
recent US TEam visits to the Field was one of the most encouraging
memos I've read in a long time *IF* Corporate management follows up on
it. It's probably too soon to expect anything, but maybe the next Sales
DVN will comment on it.
If they do, then possibly those people that have given up will try once
more to have some impact and this time they'll succeed. Or at least get
enough positive feedback that they'll try yet again.
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1801.4 | | F18::ROBERT | | Wed Mar 11 1992 10:13 | 4 |
| re.3
Do you have a copy that you can put it here?
D
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1801.5 | Can't post; sorry...! | SWAM2::KELLER_FR | | Wed Mar 11 1992 12:54 | 5 |
| Yes, I do have a copy. But I don't have the author's permission
to post it, nor am I in a position to get his permission. Sorry.
Fred
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1801.6 | Lead, Follow, or get out of the way... | TRLIAN::GORDON | | Mon Mar 23 1992 12:49 | 1 |
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1801.7 | | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63) | Wed Mar 25 1992 13:53 | 10 |
| re Note 1801.6 by TRLIAN::GORDON:
> -< Lead, Follow, or get out of the way... >-
I've never liked that -- it seems to imply that if you aren't
leading or following, then you must be in the way.
Life isn't like that.
Bob
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1801.8 | | SSDEVO::EGGERS | Anybody can fly with an engine. | Wed Mar 25 1992 16:49 | 4 |
| Not always; you're right. But all too frequently those who aren't
leading or following are in the way.
Another one says there is no such thing as an innocent bystander.
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1801.9 | I have other choices... | TPS::BUTCHART | TNSG/Software Performance | Wed Mar 25 1992 17:07 | 9 |
| re .7, and .8
I tend to have a problem with both the "Lead, follow" and no bystanders
sayings. I've seen LF used fairly frequently as a blatant attempt to
bully people into doing something without having to provide reasoning
or explanation. And if I'm not allowed to be an innocent bystander
sometimes, I can be your deadly enemy always...
/Butch
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1801.10 | Why Bother. | LARVAE::NOBLE | | Thu Mar 26 1992 05:34 | 7 |
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Why do we want Schwartzkopf on the Board.
He did'nt fix the base problem in Iraq, and the life for the Kuwaiti
under the Al-Sabah family is no better than it was before.
N.
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1801.11 | goals and means - a hard tradeoff | REGENT::POWERS | | Thu Mar 26 1992 08:53 | 17 |
| Most of the items in the list are sensible, but some are easier
to state than implement.
The one I have the most trouble with is the "set clear goals."
Sure, we need goals, but tell me in a way that guides my direction
without detailing every step. In a business sense, it has to be legal.
Goal: "Dominate the xxx market by 1995."
(Sorry, illegal - anticompetitive antitrust violation)
Goal: "Gain 55% market share in the xxx market by 1995."
(Better, but how?)
Goal: "Write more code to generate more product."
(Why? My job goals to to reuse stuff we've already written.)
It all seems to come back to the "corporate vision" discussion we fall into
from time to time.
- tom]
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1801.12 | cliches, cliches, and more cliches | SGOUTL::BELDIN_R | Pull us together, not apart | Thu Mar 26 1992 10:11 | 30 |
| Re: <<< Note 1801.11 by REGENT::POWERS >>>
"set clear goals", indeed!
Clear to whom?
Is it enough for top management to have them clear? Is it
enough for middle management to have them clear too? Is it
required that every Tom, Dick, and Harry also have them
clear?
What about consistent goals?
Sometimes I think goal writers live in Wonderland! The
formal planning crowd (of which I am a grateful graduate) try
to separate planning from implementation. Sometimes, you can
tell by inspection that two goals conflict, but sometimes,
the only way we know if our goals are consistent is to try to
achieve them and observe our failure or success.
Swarzie and other good managers know that there is a lot more
than the cliches they tell the press. But details don't make
good copy. We should be smarter than to repeat these cliches
here.
fwiw,
Dick
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1801.13 | Good Leaders or Good Followers? | MEIS::RYWAY::YAMAJALA | | Wed May 27 1992 17:13 | 10 |
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Let's not forget that most of the people who were lead by Shwarzkopf were trained
to follow.
As for LF and innocent bystanders, LF excludes "Individual Contributors"
Also in the original note I like the one about "People come to work to succeed".
I've seen people where I've had to ask them if why they were coming to work
everyday. This was before I realized the concept of "JOB SECURITY".
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