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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

1702.0. "possible scam" by GIAMEM::MIOLA (Phantom) Fri Dec 20 1991 10:49

    We received the following info and were requested to pass it along.
    So
    
    
    
    
    
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    To:     See Below
    CC:     See Below
    
    
    Currently, many people are receiving a request for business cards,
    supposedly for an ill child who wants to be in the Guiness Book of
    Records.
    
    Some research indicates that this request is from a recruiter.
    
    We suggest you advise your employees not to comply with
    any such requests.
     
    _____________________________________________________________________
    
    
    
    
    Lou
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1702.1Playing Devil's Advocate....BOOKIE::OBRIENFri Dec 20 1991 11:097
    Why does the company view this as a threat? Some of the layoffs were
    handled awkwardly, at best. If this is an opportunity to downsize
    without committing company resources, I would think that some
    managers might welcome this "scam" as a way to hit some of their
    metrics. If they can't do it by producing, maybe they can cut costs.
    
    Brian
1702.2COOKIE::LENNARDRush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya GuyFri Dec 20 1991 11:256
    .1 -- are you sure you are responding in the right file??
    
    This annual idiocy about the terminally ill brat is really getting
    nauseating.  It's been going on for at least 10 years that I know of.
    
    Just ignore such requests.
1702.3SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Fri Dec 20 1991 11:335
    I've never heard the business card one before.
    
    The Christmas card record for the terminally-ill kid, while not a scam,
    was over years ago and the requests from the principals involved are to
    stop.
1702.4good luck!SAHQ::HUNTERFri Dec 20 1991 13:192
    During these times, I am surprised that a recruiter has to resort to
    these tactics in order to find candidates!
1702.5GRANMA::MWANNEMACHERMerry JimbleSun Dec 22 1991 11:296
    RE: .2 <This annual idiocy about the TERMINALLY ILL BRAT>
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    Rich,  I think you need a vacationor maybe something else.
    
    Mike  
1702.6HOO78C::ANDERSONHomo sapiens non urinat in ventum.Mon Dec 23 1991 05:1313
    OK Here's what is happening. The terminally ill child is still alive
    and made it to the Guinness Book of Records as the most terminally ill
    child who got the greatest number of cards.

    Somehow it got changed and it is currently making the rounds as a chain
    letter begging business cards. The child does not collect business
    cards and they are burnt on arrival. This information may be confirmed
    by a call to the office of the Guinness Book of Records.

    Personally I suspect the postal services to be at the root of it as
    they are the only ones making any money on it.
    
    Jamie.
1702.7ASICS::LESLIEAndy LeslieMon Dec 23 1991 19:334
    By the way, Craig Shergold is still very ill, but alive this Xmas at
    least.
    
    /a
1702.8My cut at why recruiters are a threat...MAY21::PSMITHPeter H. Smith,MLO5-5/E71,223-4663,ESBMon Dec 30 1991 09:4115
.1> Why does the company view this as a threat?

    If I was a manager facing tough decisions about who stays and who goes,
    I would want to make my decisions under the assumption that everyone
    planned on staying...

    My decisions would basically be "the productive ones stay, the non-
    productive ones go" (realizing of course that good/bad productivity
    may depend on skill matches, not "worthiness").  Of course there's the
    hard part of deciding how much each person is contributing, which is
    why I'm not a manager...

    I wouldn't appreciate having some recruiter making basically the
    opposite choice at the same time -- "the good ones leave Digital to
    go to X, the bad ones don't get called back"...
1702.9STAR::BANKSA full service pain in the backsideMon Dec 30 1991 16:5811
I'm sure .8 didn't mean it this way, but as a non-manager (read "peon") the way
I read it was:

Managers want to have all the choice in the decision of who stays and who
leaves, and having the employees decide for themselves, with or without external
encouragement (head hunters) just threatens the manager's feelings of control.

If DEC wants to lose people, then DEC's going to have to face up to the fact
that they aren't the only ones deciding who's going to go.  The employees are
also allowed to decide for themselves.  It just isn't reasonable to expect
otherwise.
1702.10writing between the lines :-)MAY21::PSMITHPeter H. Smith,MLO5-5/E71,223-4663,ESBTue Dec 31 1991 12:463
> I'm sure .8 didn't mean it this way...

Don't be so sure... :-)