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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

1699.0. "DEC's policy on Iran" by WMOIS::KHORRAM () Tue Dec 17 1991 14:41

    Recent events seem to indicate that Iran's policy toward the west/US
    has been changing and now they are eagerly looking forward to do
    business with western companies.  What is Digital's latest policy
    toward Iran?  I appreciate any information or pointer.  
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1699.1We don't have our own "foreign minister"COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Dec 17 1991 16:374
Digital's latest policy toward Iran will be determined by applicable law.

(I.E., DEC will sell to anyone, anywhere, as long as no laws are violated.)

1699.2a reasonable guessJENEVR::FRANCUSMets in '92Tue Dec 17 1991 16:387
    Usually DEC or any other company towards a foreign government depends
    on the US governments attitude. Since I have not heard that the US
    government has decided to allow all types of exports to Iran I assume
    that nothing has changed in terms of companies that may want to do
    business with Iran.
    
    
1699.3possibleGSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAUTue Dec 17 1991 17:132
    look at note 1694 and think Iran tomorrow in the world trade system.
    
1699.4SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Tue Dec 17 1991 17:411
    What about Salman Rushdie? (spelling?)
1699.5Does he have an Internet address?ALAMOS::ADAMSJust Say *KNOW*Tue Dec 17 1991 17:533
    I say we sell to him also... If anyone can find him!
    
    --- Gavin
1699.6Not everywhere surely?TRUCKS::WINWOODPick up the phone - Press executeWed Dec 18 1991 04:327
    I don't believe Digital will sell to anyone if there are no laws
    to say otherwise.  If my memory serves me correctly, US corporations
    are now 'allowed' to sell into South Africa yet a while ago Digital
    put out a statement (seen in Live Wire) that the corporation would
    still not sell there.
    
    Calvin
1699.7HOO78C::ANDERSONHomo sapiens non urinat in ventum.Wed Dec 18 1991 06:258
    Re .6

    Strange I seem to remember Digital getting a rather hefty fine from
    the US government when a shipment of vaxen were intercepted on their
    way to Russia. As far as I can remember they had originally been
    shipped to South Africa.

    Jamie.
1699.8SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Wed Dec 18 1991 08:492
    Hmmm.  I seem to recall they were originally shipped to West Germany.
    Well, I suppose somebody will know for sure and post the information.
1699.9Margins!PHDVAX::RICCIOBundy in 92!Wed Dec 18 1991 14:0810
    
    
      Personally, I say we sell to them (Iran) with the stipulation they 
    must also purchase a 7 by 24 DECservice contract, then make sure the
    equipment that gets shipped has lots of problems. Just my way of
    trying to get those margins up. In fact this might not be a bad idea
    for Iraq either!
    
    
                                             Phil...
1699.10NYJMIS::RAJEEVWed Dec 18 1991 15:304
    Re .9
    
    Methinks you meant percall, not Decservice; unless you want our margin
    pulled down.
1699.11I stand corrected!PHDVAX::RICCIOBundy in 92!Wed Dec 18 1991 16:425
      
    
    I stand corrected. As long as we make lots and lots of money/profit!
    
    
1699.12HOO78C::ANDERSONHomo sapiens non urinat in ventum.Thu Dec 19 1991 03:555
    Per call? 

    We would make a killing just on the travel time.

    Jamie.
1699.13COOKIE::LENNARDRush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya GuyThu Dec 19 1991 17:164
    We didn't do business in South Africa even before the recent embargo.
    Not politically correct don't you know.....also, we couldn't get
    permission from the Cambridge City Council.  Big mistake in my opinion,
    but I bet that doesn't surprise anyone.
1699.14SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Thu Dec 19 1991 18:452
    Did Digital try to get permission from Cambridge?  (That's what I infer
    from .-1.)  The idea of that strains my credulity.
1699.15COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Dec 19 1991 19:3922
We wouldn't have needed permission to sell to the RSA from the Cambridge City
Council.

I'm sure if we had seen more business in the RSA than with the Cambridge
City Government we would have chosen the higher profit route and let the
Cambridge folk be damned -- were that the only consideration.

Prior to the embargo, we sold systems in South Africa.  I know people who
serviced them.  During the embargo, those systems were still there, and
somehow they were legally serviced by third parties who found a way to legally
bring in parts.

And I'm informed by a friend who was on overseas State Department duty in
Pretoria that there were other third parties who legally reexported our new
equipment to South Africa.

The South Africa embargo wasn't as tight as the ITAR (International Trafficking
In Arms) regulations that prevent the sale of weapons-quality VMS systems to
enemies.  South Africa was a pariah, not an enemy.  A big difference -- mostly
that third party transactions weren't forbidden.

/john
1699.16Straining my Export Awareness training.DCC::HAGARTYEssen, Trinken und Shaggen...Fri Dec 20 1991 04:404
Ahhh Gi'day...�

    Yeah, but  didn't  they  get on the Nuclear Proliferation List from the
    State Deptartment, which was more strict that the embargo?
1699.17NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Fri Dec 20 1991 10:352
What's a weapons-quality VMS system?  BTW, I'm writing this using a
doorstop-quality VMS system.
1699.18mgh + �mv� = kTLE::AMARTINAlan H. MartinFri Dec 20 1991 13:237
Re .17:

>What's a weapons-quality VMS system?  BTW, I'm writing this using a
>doorstop-quality VMS system.

A doorstop-quality VMS system dropped from a sufficient height.
				/AHM