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1577.1 | | NETCUR::REID | Marc Reid _ LKG2-2/U10 _ 226-7312 | Fri Aug 30 1991 16:36 | 9 |
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Dear Leo -
Perhaps it is time for you to become the Master of Your Own Destiny.
Formulate a new product and promote it to a new sponsor, or patron.
Get my drift?
Marc
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1577.2 | What is the real problem here? | GUESS::WOOD | | Fri Aug 30 1991 17:58 | 13 |
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Being Creative is not limited to Art or Engineering. There are many
ways to be creative in management. But before you can be creative,
you need a set of tools at your disposal. Is it possible that what
you are facing is frustration over not having the right
training/tools, rather being in an uncreative position? You probably
have great technical training -- how does your management training
match up to this?
There is certainly a need for creative people in management as well
as engineering in this company!
Sue
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1577.3 | Bo knows Leo | EJOVAX::JFARLEY | | Fri Aug 30 1991 20:18 | 8 |
| If indeed your creative, technical talents are slowly stagnating then
the obvious course would be to pursue other endeavors where your
talents would be appreciated and valued. If you are content to play
"manager" and slowly recede into the callous world of mediocrity, then
you will sit back and do nothing. If you are expecting " atta boys"
those days are long gone and survival reigns with a iron fist. If it
really matters that much to you to re-involve yourself of you many
talents then pull up you boot straps "and just do it".
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1577.4 | hate to rain on anyone's parade | HERCUL::MOSER | So what's a few BUPs between friends? | Fri Aug 30 1991 22:01 | 7 |
| I find the comparison of Software Engineers to the great Masters to be
a joke at best, and at worst a primary reason that Software Engineering
is in such a sorry state in this country...
cheers
/mlm
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1577.5 | | REGENT::POWERS | | Tue Sep 03 1991 10:07 | 20 |
| Okay, Leo...
> You see, I was recently promoted to a managerial position
> here at DEC because it was seemingly the only way left for me to
> move ahead in this business, but now I grow unhappy because I have
> been removed from my creative element!
Perhaps you need to elaborate on your concept of what "moving ahead
in this business" means to you?
> I would hope that there is a solution for me so that I can continue to
> work in this great company in a technical capacity at the level
> of challenge, command, and control that a master such as myself
> humbly deserves.
"Command and control" sounds like management, or at least supervision, to me.
Tell me, Leo, are you looking for a position that involves authority
without responsibility?
- tom]
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1577.6 | 1 ACK | STAR::POPJ1::PRAETORIUS | one score, six and ten | Tue Sep 03 1991 12:34 | 8 |
| Gees, just so we don't go through 20 replies without the obvious point
being made, yes, .0's author isn't the only person in the company who gets the
feeling that many managers would rather encourage an individual contributor to
become a manager rather than deal with the process needed to bring increased
recognition and benefits to that employee as an individual contributor.
Especially at a time when DEC is conspicuously middle-heavy and not showing a
lot of signs of improvement in the area.
Robt. P.
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1577.7 | out-sourced masters | AKOCOA::POPE | fifth generation worker | Tue Sep 03 1991 18:13 | 6 |
| Sorry Leo, while you were investigating management, we "out-sourced"
the masters....that we we can buy only what we need.
Regards,
the new management
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1577.8 | Not to start a rathole, but... | GOTIT::harley | Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain... | Tue Sep 03 1991 18:43 | 5 |
| re .-1
What would happen if the masters could "outsource" the management?
/harley
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1577.9 | | MIZZOU::SHERMAN | ECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326 | Wed Sep 04 1991 13:04 | 4 |
| Actually, I seem to remember hearing about a business that provides
temporary managers ...
Steve
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1577.10 | if it's an issue let's address it | RDVAX::KENNEDY | Engineering Interface Program | Wed Sep 04 1991 22:23 | 8 |
| re .0
Likely there's be more use to all of us if there were concrete
suggestions on changing the review process for designers. Any
Consultant Engineer knows how it currently works. Some ideas for
improvement would help Digital more than playing fables.
/LK
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1577.11 | | REGENT::POWERS | | Thu Sep 05 1991 10:00 | 14 |
| > <<< Note 1577.9 by MIZZOU::SHERMAN "ECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326" >>>
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> Actually, I seem to remember hearing about a business that provides
> temporary managers ...
Yes, and you can decide to hire administrators instead of managers.
That's what managers hire "staff" for - to administer, not lead.
While the dictionary definitions of "administer" and "manage" are quite
similar, I think that the words are often used differently from one another.
Leo can assign Herman to "administer" the hammer and chisel acquisition
and allocation, but Leo is ultimately responsible, and has to manage
the situation.
- tom]
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1577.12 | Avanti Leonardo ! | BEAGLE::BREICHNER | | Wed Sep 11 1991 08:50 | 31 |
| Hi Leo,
Do not desperate!
Others as you and me have left the artist's business even before
becoming managers. For some it happened when the "process merchants"
prefered paperware to creativity.
Now as a manager (= leader) you sure should be able to put creativity
at work. (Just think about how much of creativity you need these
days to motivate, develop, reward IC artists and I am
not even talking about the exciting aspects of salaray planning
with "pay for performance" versus "bottom line" versus "range position"
etc etc..)
Having been an artist yourself, you know what turns on and off
artist's creativity. There you need new creativity to make happen
what you know it's right, even if "process merchants" (the
very few who don't understand artists) tell you differently.
In some (very rare) cases you might even have to face a crowd
of powerful non-artists who do not accept converted artists
in their exclusive non-artist's lounges. That's where you
have to use "adapted creativity"; the same way as you knew
how to delight your art-lovers in the past, the same way
you'll find out how to please "process merchants".....
At the end the "masterpiece" is judged (bought or not)
by art-lovers anyway. In the past you created small or parts
of "masterpieces", now you got the chance to lead creation
of big or total "masterpieces". If you drop it, just because
you don't want to go to bed with "process merchants" nobody will
ever see (buy) the "masterpiece".
Avanti Leonardo!
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