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1478.1 | Oh-Oh....round three! | COOKIE::LENNARD | Rush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya Guy | Wed May 22 1991 17:59 | 3 |
| I heard the feces was gonna hit the rotating ventilator in June...this
kinds validates that rumour. Hope they've got enough bucks left to
provide us with at least one decent cardboard box for packing.
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1478.2 | Contradiction? | AUSSIE::BAKER | first jellyfish in space | Wed May 22 1991 22:32 | 11 |
|
> The company has reduced employment by about 8,000 persons during the last
> year, excluding the effect of acquisitions, Ryan said. That process will
> continue, he said, but Digital is focusing on reducing unprofitable work
> within the company rather than setting a numerical goal for staff reduction.
Like Finance, which produces no profit whatsoever. I hope for the good
of the company Mr Ryan sees this problem and moves to rectify it. 8^)
Sorry, I know I'm shooting the messenger, but I couldnt resist.
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1478.3 | numbers game | SYSTMX::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Thu May 23 1991 12:26 | 15 |
| re: <<< Note 1478.2 by AUSSIE::BAKER "first jellyfish in space" >>>
-< Contradiction? >-
> The company has reduced employment by about 8,000 persons during the last
> year, excluding the effect of acquisitions, Ryan said. That process will
> continue, he said, but Digital is focusing on reducing unprofitable work
> within the company rather than setting a numerical goal for staff reduction.
When I asked our personnel rep (not the psa) how many TOTAL reduction
in force, she stated that the number she'd read was 4,129, as of the
week before. That was only 4 weeks ago.
Wonder which number is right?
t.
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1478.4 | Don't forget acquisitions... | MUDHWK::LAWLER | Not turning 39... | Thu May 23 1991 12:31 | 7 |
|
Don't forget that Acquiring "Digital Kienzelxxx" (Sp?) added
a few thousand employees to the total headcount number.
-al
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1478.5 | Pack your bags... | NCCODE::KERNS | We know how to design systems! | Thu May 23 1991 17:25 | 10 |
| re: .3 and .4
>> Don't forget that Acquiring "Digital Kienzelxxx" (Sp?) added
>> a few thousand employees to the total headcount number.
I've heard we gained 600 the last quarter due to the above (probably not the
only reason), and Digital needs to layoff 10,000 more in the next 2 years.
Steve
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1478.6 | Enough saving; let's wisely invest | FSTVAX::HANAUER | Mike...~Bicycle~to~Ice~Cream | Fri May 24 1991 16:36 | 11 |
|
I sure hope that cost savings has not become our prime directive.
If we don't risk well funded development and marketing of quality
strategic products and services, all the cost savings in the world
won't help.
If we do take the risk and succeed most of the time, the cost
savings will have been relatively unimportant.
~Mike
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1478.7 | IBM is hemoraging too
| GUIDUK::B_WOOD | I manage my cat? | Mon May 27 1991 04:36 | 4 |
|
A recent Business Week had an artical on the Woes of IBM. Seems they've
got simular internal problems to us. We are not alone.
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1478.8 | i wonder if we can sell the doors... | DIEHRD::PASQUALE | | Wed May 29 1991 15:53 | 8 |
|
i sure hope that the "bean counters" are not making all the strategic
decisions lest we end up creating that which we are trying to avoid.
saving money till we go out of business seems to be the current trend
these days...
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1478.9 | A + B = A | TOOK::DMCLURE | Work to build the net | Thu May 30 1991 14:34 | 15 |
| A:
> CLEVELAND -DJ- Digital Equipment Corp. hasn't seen any improvement in its
>business, either in the U.S. or in Europe,
B:
> Thus, the company plans further reductions in employment, more plant
>consolidations and continued reduction in office space, employee travel and
>other costs, Ryan said.
I'm a little confused at how B is arrived at given A. After all,
if over a year of "reductions in employment, more plant consolidations
and continued reduction in office space, employee travel and other costs,"
has resulted in "no improvement", then why continue along this path?
-davo
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1478.10 | why... | GENRAL::CRANE | Barbara Crane --- dtn 522-2299 | Fri May 31 1991 13:16 | 8 |
| Revenue/employee is a key business metric. Employee numbers
drive costs in office space, travel, etc. Our performance on this
metric is not good.
If you haven't increased TOTAL revenue (improvement in business),
then you HAVE to reduce costs--which may be associated with plants
and people. I don't like any of the unpleasant decisions, but I'm
convinced we have to do this...
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1478.11 | Other side of the equation | WFOVX8::KULIG | | Fri May 31 1991 13:51 | 10 |
| Some times i wonder - Is anyone looking at the other side of
the equation - WAYS TO INCREASE REVENUE.
We have about a "zillion dollars" worth of slightly used
equipment sitting around here in Westfield for over a year.
If it sits around much longer it will be out of rev or
obsolete. Maybe we could DISCOUNT it and SELL it.
This might also lead to software sales and service contracts.
But what do I know, my last day is June 7.
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1478.12 | Revenue/Employee | GIAMEM::BENCH | In Claude We Trust | Fri May 31 1991 13:57 | 8 |
| re: .10
Lay off (sorry, I don't use euphemisms like "transition")
everybody except for 1 employee. The revenue/employee will
be great. Of course, the company will soon cease to exist.
Claude
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1478.13 | Revenue/Profit per Employee | MPO::WHITTALL | Charlie Whittall @ MAXCIM Prog. Off. | Mon Jun 03 1991 09:21 | 41 |
| Attached is a copy of a memo that I received about 7th hand.
This might have some bearing on why we are in deep doggie-doo..
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
Date: 20-May-1991 12:00pm PDT
From: CURTIS SMITH
SMITH.CURTIS
Dept: WESTERN FINANCE
Tel No:
TO: See Below
Subject: BEST-IN-CLASS Comparison - Revenue/Profit per Employee
The following, recently published, industry comparison of (7) companies
Revenue/Profit per employee has some very distinct messages within it.
It is interesting that Apple has just announced plans to proactively
protect its current operating performance by putting a plan in place to lay
off 10 % of the Apple workforce.
COMPANY: SALES/EMPL. PROFITS/EMPL.
Apple $440,000 $37,400
Compaq 379,000 47,900
IBM 185,000 16,100
AST 234,000 15,400
SUN 217,600 9,650
H-P 139,000 7,780
Digital 104,000 600
Regards,
Curt
Distribution Lists <deleted>
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1478.14 | sanity check... | SELECT::BOGATY | Dan. | Tue Jun 04 1991 08:40 | 15 |
|
If I figure correctly, and if DEC has ~ 120,000 employees,
then 120,000 * $600 = $72,000,000... so the first question is:
"was $72,000,000 really our profit during the period in question"
(whenever that was).
Second, according to these numbers we'd have to divide that
same profit ($72,000,000) among only 9000 employees (instead
of ~120,000 employees) to barely beat H-P. That would mean
laying off over 90% of the company. We'd need to have around
only 2000 employees to get near Apple.
I suspect there's a decimal point missing somewhere...
Dan.
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1478.15 | | RICKS::SHERMAN | ECADSR::SHERMAN 225-5487, 223-3326 | Tue Jun 04 1991 12:01 | 24 |
| To some extent this particular metric is going to be subject to aspects
of diminishing returns, which will skew any conclusions that might be
drawn. Basically, it can be illustrated simply. Assume you are a company
with one employee and have $2000 profit every year. You have an
opportunity to increase profits to $3000 every year, but it will require
adding another employee. You do it because you want the increased
profits. But, note that you are now only earning $1500 every year.
Do you lay off the other employee? Of course not, because your profits
would drop. You make less per employee by growing in number of
employees, but you do it so that you can make more profit.
That's basically how companies grow to become big companies that make
lots of profit. If people do not add value to profits, then you've got
a situation where there may need to be firings ... no, I mean layoffs
... no, I mean transitioning ... well, whatever the term is du jour.
IMHO, this is indicative of poor management of growth. That may be
what Apple is discovering now. But, the idea of laying off to become
"best in class" as far as this metric goes may be foolish because the
metric when optimized can result in a company making a minimal amount
of profit. In other words, there will come a point when you lay off
enough people that you lose money even as the amount of money earned
per employee increases.
Steve
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1478.16 | Eating the Seed Corn | COOKIE::LENNARD | Rush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya Guy | Tue Jun 04 1991 13:03 | 15 |
| We have been bottom dog in the industry in rev-per-employee for several
years....and it never seemed to bother anyone. If we had a "real"
Board of Directors, there would have been some major changes at the
highest levels of the Corporation many quarters ago. As it is, the
rubber-stamping continues.
When I saw the recent notes from the last KO Woods saying that people
who submitting FY92 plans which sacrificed short-term profits for long
term investments would be sent back to re-work them.....well, I knew
then that we were in very deep doo-doo. A management meeting I was in
yesterday described the situation at "corporate" as panic, pure and
simple. We have apparently officially decided to eat the seed-corn,
and we will pay a terrible price. Meanwhile PCU managers are
scrambling to make their favorite products appear profitable under the
New Management System criteria....and the dance goes on.
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1478.17 | food for thought | SMC005::LASLOCKY | | Tue Jun 04 1991 15:04 | 14 |
| when looking at the ernings per employee it is also important to
remember that DEC doesn't count employees the same way other companies
do. DEC counts each part time employee a headcount of 1. IBM counts
part time employees by the hours they work. If there were 4 employees
working 10 hours each DEC would count them as 1 headcount each for a
total of 4 people, IBM counts them at .25 headcount each for a total of
1. That is quite a difference. DEC also reports all long term
disability people in it's headcount. I wonder what we would look like
if we reported our headcount the same as the rest of the industry??
I have heard that DEC is supposed to change the way it reports total
headcount to align its self closer to the way the rest of the industry
does it. I don't know if or when this will happen, but it would sure
make these kind of metrics more accurate.
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1478.18 | ;^) | RICKS::SHERMAN | ECADSR::SHERMAN 225-5487, 223-3326 | Tue Jun 04 1991 16:17 | 9 |
| re: -.1
Anybody care to bet about what would happen to Digital stock once such
metrics were adjusted? My guess is it would go up, even though there
would be no real difference in how things are run. Then, there would
be someone somwhere that would figure we were "finally" starting to do
things right. Sigh ...
Steve
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1478.19 | Already happened, didn't it? | MUDHWK::LAWLER | Not turning 39... | Tue Jun 04 1991 16:26 | 8 |
|
FWIW, I think DEC changed the headcuonting scheme a year
or so ago. People working "fractional weeks" are now
fractional headcounts. I think there was even a (late) announcement
in livewire about it.
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1478.20 | Internally, managers have used the "fractional" method ... | YUPPIE::COLE | Proposal:Getting an edge in word-wise! | Tue Jun 04 1991 16:52 | 3 |
| ... for most, if not all this FY in figuring their head-
counts. That may also account for the "8000" number Ryan put
forward as staff reduction.
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1478.21 | enough misused indicators | AUSSIE::BAKER | first jellyfish in space | Tue Jun 04 1991 23:18 | 71 |
| >It is interesting that Apple has just announced plans to proactively
>protect its current operating performance by putting a plan in place to lay
>off 10 % of the Apple workforce.
>
r.e
> COMPANY: SALES/EMPL. PROFITS/EMPL.
>
> Apple $440,000 $37,400
> Compaq 379,000 47,900
> IBM 185,000 16,100
> AST 234,000 15,400
> SUN 217,600 9,650
> H-P 139,000 7,780
> Digital 104,000 600
Revenue/per employee is a bogus indicator used by ANALysts (the first
half of the word sums it all up) when comparing two like companies.
Unfortunately the above companies are very much different. Yes, they
make computers, that is about all the similarity can that can be drawn.
I do not doubt that the figure may indicate that there is a problem,
but by reducing the number of employees to fix revenue/employee is
fixing the indicator to keep Wall Street in glee rather than focusing
on trying to find the problems.
Firstly, we DO have a problem with revenue/employee. Reducing the
number of employees will fix the statistic, but thats NOT the problem.
Just look at the companies in the above list. ALL of them have major
reseller networks and outlets for their wares. These resellers do the
selling for them. How many Apples are purchased off Apple directly? How
many through their resellers? When I go to a computer shop to buy a
computer, is that shop owned by Apple? Who's staff list does that
employee that sells you the machine come under? Where does he appear on
the balance sheet of Apple? When an Apple salesman sells, where does he
sell? Yes, there are direct sales but much of his selling is to the
reseller. This is not the only problem we have that will affect
revenue/employee, but you dont hit the statistic without trying to hit
the problem.
We could also go onto the fact that we try to leverage high margin
in low volumes instead of producing low margin on high. The products we
have are typically well-serviced BY US. Have a look at who is actually
servicing the SUNS that people are buying. Who actually fixes the
Apples? These companies know that they would have a creaking hulking
goliath and that they could not hope to grow their servicing at the
rate that they were growing without passing this work onto someone
else, but then where do these service people appear on the
revenue/employee figures? We continue to try to do it all and the
result shows up on this figure. If Wall Street dances to this number
then we end up in the doo-doo, and what used to be looked at as a
strength (solid service mechanism, good inhouse development
capabilities) suddenly is the kiss of death. I've heard Digital people
smirk that several of our competitors will be out of business soon
because their growth will outstrip their service ability (Novell, SUN,
PC Software...). They just sign agreements with other small companies.
Sometimes the difficulty of this shows, but it hangs together, and it
doesnt show on those precious indicators. We do make money on service,
the question is whether doing it ourselves is favourable to the
indicator. I suspect it is unfavourable to the indicator but favourable
to the company, but go ahead, just chop it in half without shifting the
activities to a third party and watch the revenue side slide downwards,
while the statistic holds.
We have major structural and philosophical problems to overcome. We
also should try and factor in the totality of third parties into how we
look at the above so we are not reacting to misleading indicators. We
should know our business and how its composition determines the
relative value or information we can deduce from indicators. To do less
is shooting with a blindfold on.
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1478.22 | Revenue by operation type? | TPS::BUTCHART | TP Systems Performance | Wed Jun 05 1991 08:34 | 10 |
| re .21:
Good points. For many of those companies that have amazing revenue per
employee, there are a bunch of companies handling sales and service
that get by on grocery store type margins. Digital definitely needs to
improve returns, but something needs to be done to differentiate
returns by class of operation to avoid destroying low return but vital
functions by attempting to set impossible goals.
/Dave
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1478.23 | Do I have to care ? | BEAGLE::BREICHNER | | Wed Jun 05 1991 10:16 | 29 |
| re: Wallstreet fuzz etc...
I've never seen so much concern in this company about our wallstreet
performance than I can imagine since ages.
Is it because due to NOTES, E-mail etc we get the "news from top"
very quickly and in raw form (unfiltered thru the management chain).
This implies that everyone has to sort out her/himself what to do
with the news ?
I might be called old-fashioned, but I really do not feel overly
concerned by such information as a DIGITAL employee. I work for
a salaray and my hobbies exclude stock market games.
I do the best I can within my job's scope to justify my salary.
Usually a job plan plus common sense (I won't comment on the
relative value of the former versus the latter) tells you
what "the best" consists of.
Beeing down in trenches, jacking up DIGITAL's stock value is
neither in my job-plan nor would common sense tell me that
it can be influenced a lot by how I do my work.
So as long as the stock purchase plan gives me a little extra
every six months, I couldn't care less on how wall street
feels about DEC, which metric's they use to measure etc etc.
.
.
It would be different if Ken wanted to sell the company to his
employees! Can anyone figure out how much it would cost per head ?
Has this happened in other companies ? What were the results ?
I know that there are companies in France owned by the employees
but I do not remeber a lot about them.
/fred
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1478.24 | Yes, you DO have to care! | HITPS::SOBECKY | Darwin had a point | Wed Jun 05 1991 13:49 | 39 |
|
re .2
> Is it because due to NOTES, E-mail etc we get "news from top"
> very quickly and in raw form...
My recent personal experience is exactly the opposite. Much of my
info comes from the rumor mill, the Globe, or colleagues from other
companies. This, in turn, is exactly the opposite from my earliest
experiences at DEC, where I could count on my managers to keep me
informed. But I don't blame my current manager for this..he does an
excellent job on disseminating the info down to the troops when he
gets it. I think that this is a reflection of the entire company today.
I don't see communication from the top down working well.
> Beeing down in the trenches, jacking up DIGITAL'S stock is
> neither in my job-plan nor would common sense tell me that
> it can be influenced a lot by how I do my work.
Once again, I have to disagree with you. I am an instructor..I train
our Digital Services people how to maintain certain products, which,
means if *I* do a good job (and I -DO- take pride in my work) and if
*they* do a good job, then it will ultimately reflect on the bottom
line, as well as enhance the reputation of the company as a provider
of good service. But my job plan does not specifically include a
clause to "jack up" the company's stock. And I am definitely "down
in the trenches" also.
My point is that it is every employee's responsibility to do their
job as if it contributes directly to the bottom line...because it
does. This is only my opinion, of course. Maybe old-fashioned, but
that's me.
> So as long as the stock purchase plan gives me a little extra
> every six months, I couldn't care less on how wall street
> feels about DEC, which metric's they use to measure etc etc.
Hmmm...I'd be interested on how you think the price of a companys'
stock is set and maintained...what determines how much extra you
get every six months?
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1478.25 | | SUBWAY::SAPIENZA | Knowledge applied is wisdom gained. | Wed Jun 05 1991 18:33 | 32 |
|
Re .21 (discussing Apple's use of external sales and service groups)
This is interesting.
If we were to ignore revenues/expenses/headcount from the field
sales and service organizations, leaving only corporate/engineering/etc.,
what would our revenue per employee look like?
Essentially, we would then be looking at similar organizational
structures between, say, Apple and Digital. Only revenues from hardware
and operating systems/layered software would be in the comparison.
Does anybody have the separate figures needed to do this?
Taking this a step further, what if Digital were to organize itself
such that the field offices were considered independent, "external"
corporations? That is, imagine if field sales had to "buy" hardware and
layered software from corporate, mark it up, then sell it to customers.
Likewise, Field Service would buy boards and spare parts from
corporate and determine their own pricing for customers. Software
services would "buy" the same support offerings that are available to
customers, but they would act as any other consulting agency.
(Recent changes in our way of doing business may actually be approaching
this, no?)
Food for thought,
Frank
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1478.26 | | COOKIE::LENNARD | Rush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya Guy | Wed Jun 05 1991 19:03 | 11 |
| What's a Job Plan? I'm pushing twenty years with DEC and have never
had one. Where do I get one? What's the order number?
Fred, I agree with you on the stock. The biggies are panic stricken
because their Executive Options which used to buy boats, homes on the
Cape and Junior's tuition have all turn to poopoo-caca. Tough. I
have a couple left-over options myself, but I don't really care all
that much.
But seriously......are there really still organizations that operate
on job plans? Unbelieveable!
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1478.28 | | CSC32::S_HALL | Wollomanakabeesai ! | Thu Jun 06 1991 14:38 | 14 |
| > Digital must manage this assiduously so that each Unit doesn't invest
> too much in Sales and Marketing (i.e., political) expenses.
This is self-limiting. A beautifully marketed machine will
either sell like crazy, or not. If it's only mediocre,
but makes $ millions the first year, then, great.
If it makes no money despite marketing, then someone's
product will be scrutinized.
We've got plenty of "management" of marketing now. Let's
see what a little entrepreneurship will do.
Steve H
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1478.30 | What's in it for ME??? | ODIXIE::SILVERS | Sales Support Ninja... | Thu Jun 06 1991 22:03 | 3 |
| Unfortunately, 'giving everybody P&L responsibility' translates into
a ' What's in it for me ' mentality - like it or not, I've run into it
already ( I hear that SUN is hiring.... just kidding...)
|
1478.31 | ...number(s) please ? | CARTUN::DONAHUE | | Fri Jun 07 1991 12:04 | 5 |
| re: .21:
Those were EXCELLENT points...but is anyone else out there concerned
about Demers using those numbers to justify another "round" ?? Does
HE understand what those numbers REALLY represent ?
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1478.32 | Should I laugh....or cry?? | COOKIE::LENNARD | Rush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya Guy | Fri Jun 07 1991 13:31 | 12 |
| There shoudld be no limits at all on what an Account Team can put
together in the field to meet the customer's needs. Even if it is
100% third-party.....and all we do is the front-end work for them.
There shouldn't be any such thing as an unprofitable PCU in this
company by the end of FY92. Unfortunately, from my limited outlook,
the shuckin' and jivin' to make FY92 numbers "look" good is already
picking up momentum.
Does anyone really expect the bad actors that created this mess to
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1478.33 | NMS will not by itself change behaviour | PXOGUS::NEVEU | SWA EIS Consultant | Fri Jun 07 1991 18:14 | 99 |
| In general I strongly agree that there should be no restrictions
on Sales in putting together a Solution for a customer, even if
that means using 100% third parties in the delivery of service and
hardware.
So I have found this deal, where the customer wants to buy IBM
gear and connect it via a Novell LAN to his HP stuff. He needs
the hardware, he needs network software, he needs somebody to
install and maintain the stuff, and he needs application software
which runs on the final configuration and an operations staff to
run it for him once it is all put together.
As a DEC Sales Representaive, where do I get cost information,
configuration information, etc... to put this together (not exactly
in out price book!) Then there is the negotiation between me and all
the providers as to terms they will do business under and pricing
they want to charge (No Standard T&Cs) to guide this baby. But
if I somehow get all this stuff together, get all the i's dotted
and t's crossed and presnet the proposal to the customer, what do
I charge him for my added value? If I get him to issue a PO to
Digital what should be on it?
If you begin to see the picture, you begin to understand that every
attempt to get service or products from other than an existing Digital
PCU adds complexity and costs to the Solution for a customer. Attempts
to involve third parties increase the time and cost of service delivery
(and potentially increases Digital Liability & Risks). The administra-
tive systems make it nearly impossible to accept the revenue the custo-
mer might be willing to pay for the solution and/or report the costs of
obtaining the products and services for re-sale to the customer.
So just how free is Sales to go outside to purchase the product and services,
Sales needs for a solution. They are only as free as the adminstrative sys-
tems which control what they can buy and re-sell. They are dependant on
the IBUs and PCUs to create the menu of what they can sell. They are con-
strained by the adminstrative systems' ability to accept revenue for pass
thru to external parties and the legal department's ruling on appropriate
ways of doing business. The Account Teams have not been relieved of their
duty to use as much DEC content as possible, rather they have been told to
make sure each sale makes money for this company. The New Management Sys-
tem does not empower Sales to do the right thing for the customer, but it
might force Sales to complain more about the costs of certain products and
services. It might re-direct some money internally as Sales asks for justi-
fication of the costs for particular products and services in competitive
situations. It might force some groups to document the value added they
think they provide in terms that Sales can use to justify the price and
product selection or the group may go out of business. The New Manage-
ment System may force Sales to better document what products and services
they need from the IBUs and PCUs. We might begin to focus money on where
we can make a profit, rather than on where we can make a budget by selling
lots of stuff even if it is at a loss.
Don't expect that giving P&L responsibility will change behavior, after all
some people will continue to try to make their numbers by getting someone
else to absorb the costs, will blame other people for not making their un-
realistic revenue estimates, etc... If we fire people for losing money,
we will discourage risk taking and creativity. If we don't punish people
for losing money, what difference will it make if they have P&L or revenue
goals? How to we encourage people to take the risks to grow business, but
also teach them not to give away profits which Digital needs to support the
business model we operate under? We need to discourage greed, especially
at the costs of one of our business partners, while generating the highest
profits possible within the context of competition. The stock holders ex-
pect our best efforts and value the company based on their perception of
how we are doing at delivering best efforts. Althought metrics like
profits/employee and revenue/employee are meaningless when comparing com-
panies with very different business models, it is a data point that people
use to decide on which companies to invest in and how high to value stock
which does not pay a dividend. And Digital's trend toward lower revenues,
and lower profits per employee over the past several years has not done
much to convince investors to increase their estimation of the value of the
company.
Taking the view that the Digital stock price is none of your concern, and
that you can do nothing about it, is not productive. Assuming that anything
is someone else's responsibility, whether it be finding ways to save money,
or increase revenues, is not useful behaviour. I can contribute my thoughts,
my opinions, and my efforts to making things happen more smoothly and less
expensively. If every employee saved the company $0.10 /day, we would have
a higher profit per employee of $26.00 per year that's a 4% increase if the
$600/emp/yr is correct. Those kinds of saving can be achieved by turning
off unneeded lights, reuse of scrap paper, etc.... Just think what you
could save if you focused you energies on doing the most with the least,
and on taking responsibility for the costs you incur for this company. I
can't solve all the problems, my objective is to avoid creating new problems
which require others to expend additional energy and to contribute to
solving the problems which prevent me from doing the most with what I have
available. This may not result in any change of the stock price, but I
will have done whatever I could to contribute to improving the metrics used
by others to set the stock price. I have enjoyed working for Digital for
more than 10 years. I want to continue to enjoy working for Digital for
many years to come. I am extremely concerned about Digital's ability to
continue to be there for me and others to provide a place where we can
enjoy the work we do to contribute to the success of the company. As atti-
tudes harden, and metrics change so does the environment around me. The
behaviour necessary to make people feel like a success and act like winners
has been severe eroded by mishandling of most opportunities to effect
positive change. As an optimist, I hope the New Management System changes
will not suffer the same result.
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1478.34 | Use the EIC. | TRUCKS::WINWOOD | Wondrin' where the lions are | Sun Jun 09 1991 17:04 | 24 |
| That was a very detailed note full of questions I don't have the
answers to. But here in Europe there are Solutions providers
organised under the name of 'Enterprise Integration Centres'.
As a PM in one of these I have access to processes and people
who could take your imaginary scenario of third party providers
and deliver the solution to the customer. The EIC can price the
effort required (according to customer perceived value!) compute
the margin and deliver a quote plus project P & L back to the
Account manager. You are correct that customers are beginning to
view Digital as more than a supplier of products, I am currently
working on a project which is around 95% third party software
and the customer really wants Digital to be in the frame as Prime
contractor because 1) he knows us well having worked together for
years and 2) he doesn't want the hassle of organising the software
house and Digital in respect of contracts, invoices etc.
There are many other examples I could relate but my advice is to
contact the Solutions group in what used to be 'CSS'. They should
be able to help. The idea of using the EIC's is to free up the
accounts to do what they are good at, bringing in the business. The
EIC then works out how to deliver it at a profitable margin and
quotes back to the account.
Calvin
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1478.35 | Should have been more precise | CANYON::NEVEU | SWA EIS Consultant | Mon Jun 10 1991 14:18 | 74 |
| In case nobody figured out that my .33 was a hypothetical case,
let me state for the record I am not a Sales Rep and it was an
example to prove a point.
The use of third parties with which we have establish a relationship
is very doable, because someone has worked out the terms and condi-
tions, knows the third party pricing and Digital's markup. The grey
area begins when we can't figure out why Digital is even in the pic-
ture on a particular deal! If as .34 states the solution is 95%
3rd parties and the customer wants DEC to prime the deal so they
have someone to go after when the deal falls apart (just how much
to we charge for insuring success these days???) In the Southwest
District my former District Manager started asking what is DEC's
value added on these kinds of deals. If we have no experience with
the third party, no terms and conditions agreed to between DEC and
the third party, no understanding of the third parties solution to
the customers problem, and our only added value is to deliver a
fixed price contract to a customer who is nervous about the third
parties ability to deliver, do you want to bet your margin on that
senerio! Several of our customer want what they call system's
integration assitance... unfortunately they do not want to follow
the DPM methodology (they percieve it costs too much), and their
definition of system's integration seems to be DEC insures success
by bidding a solution fixed price before the problem is completely
understood.
In my example in .33 there was no DEC hardware, no DEC software,
and the customer had told us what he wanted to buy, whether or
not he told us the problem he was trying to solve is left for
the reader to imagine... I asked how does this get quoted and
am told to call an EIC into the deal (okay which EIC is selling
IBM hardware these days??? (Enter appropriate smiley faces)
My example and my reaction to NMS is designed to show those
who think there is a magic bullet that it has not been invented
yet.... An extremely creative person talked to me about a
solution DEC was bidding. The existing software was written
on IBM equipment (the cost to port the solution is unknown
because we have been unable to obtain rights to view the soft-
ware from our joint venture partner). Digital has no experience
in this arena, but someone is willing to pay 1.5 million to see
it implemented in their local government jurisdiction. The DEC
PM figures it will cost DEC 6 million to deliver plus the cost
of the porting activity. Looks like a perfect opportunity to
lose 4.5 million dollars but wait. If we deliver this one, we
can bid the solution in other jurisdiction and recoup our losses.
I ask a stupid question, like if the one client is only willing
to pay 1.5 million for 6 million dollars of consulting plus the
cost of porting the software, how can we be sure we will ever
get the cost of doing this below the price the client is willing
to pay, afterall we acknowledge we don't know anything about this
area. Our joint venture partner won't share the applications
code until we agree to include him in all future deals that
involve the ported code (but DEC will absorb the entire porting
costs!!!). We can't even be certain that getting the expertise
will assists us in getting future business, because it seems that
the only reason the current customer wants DEC is because it is
already an all DEC shop.
How many of these deals can we pursue before we go broke trying
to penetrate new areas for our hardware and software sales? It
is increasingly difficult to compete, and we have to invest in
areas with a probability for immense success, we can not judge
each deal solely on its effects on P&L but we can't make many
mistakes or give away the farm before the crops come in. If the
New Management Systems forces Sales to develop appropriate infor-
mation about customer requirements, causes Sales to demand support
focused on things that will help them expand sales, etc... It
just might turn the company around. If behaviour does not change
and groups continue to pursue their own objectives, then we will
continue to drift and focus on cost cutting rather than revenue
generation.
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