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| 1301.1 | | PSW::WINALSKI | Careful with that VAX, Eugene | Wed Dec 05 1990 19:40 | 8 |
| I assume you mean "scrapped", although some of the equipment is probably scraped
as well.
There used to be a "DEC Salvage" organization in the Mill in Maynard that did
just this--resold to employees used equipment slated to be discarded. I have
heard that this practice was discontinued.
--PSW
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| 1301.2 | RE .-1 | CSSE32::RHINE | A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste | Wed Dec 05 1990 23:24 | 3 |
| Selling scrapped equipment to DEC employees was stopped a number of
years ago. I understand that enterprising individuals were buying
stuff and going into the used computer business on the side.
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| 1301.3 | If we can't use it, loan it out... | CIMNET::PSMITH | Peter H. Smith,MET-1/K2,291-7592 | Wed Dec 05 1990 23:44 | 11 |
| A freind had another suggestion for the material which is slated for
scrapping. Lend it to universities in South America, so that
nationals there gain experience with DEC equipment. The purpose would
not be to have students become "warm and fuzzy" about our stuff. It
would be to develop the necessary support infrastructure so that we
could provide adequate trained staffing for the computing centers
these countries will need in the future. He gave the example of
shipyards being run entirely manually, low levels of automation in
government, etc., but not enough trained operators/sysadmins, service
people, etc. to staff IS centers.
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| 1301.4 | Scrap == FS Nightmares on contract Hdwe | CSS::EARLY | T&N EIC Engineering / US-EIS | Thu Dec 06 1990 09:29 | 26 |
| > equipment new and used, maybe a little damaged is scraped. If employees
> could get this equipment there'd be more DEC pc's in the home thus
> more exposure for DEC. I myself wouldn't mind an old PRO325 or 350
> with an old lqp02.
>
One of the reasons (i 'heard') the program was discontinued, and also
had some "real" experience with, is that some enterprising people were
buying, lets say a CPU card.
Later on, Internal Field Service would find the same card in a supported
system, and the system owner didn't ahve a clue as to how it got there,
except that now the system was broke.
I have been very fortunate, in that I always tried to keep a very good
relationship with "my" FS support people, because "my" test beds relied
very heavily on being operational 7 days a week, 24 hours a day,with
very little margin for downtime. So when the ycame by to either
maintain, fix, upgrade, or modify; we got some of the 'informal' news
along with the local gossip. ;^)
It became necessary to put double locks on our lab to reduce pilferage
and outright 'computer parts' theft.
-BobE
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| 1301.5 | Not good business | AKOCOA::DROMANO | Disk Bugs For You! | Thu Dec 06 1990 11:22 | 14 |
| Digital doesn't sell/give away old equipemnt because
1) Digital doesn't want to support it
2) Digital probably would be liable for any damage caused
(data loss or physical loss)
3) Older equipment may create a bad image for Digital - "this VS2000
certainly runs slow compared to this new Sun... Sun must be much
better"
4) It cuts into new sales
I think there may be instances where older machines are used in
countries where there are technology limitations for exports (Eastern
Europe) or possibly donated to charity under stringent contracts (We
are in NO way responsible for ANYTHING that happens.
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| 1301.6 | Tax reasons??? | CSMET2::ERICKSON | John Erickson, DTN 232-2590 | Thu Dec 06 1990 11:38 | 12 |
| Aren't there some tax-related issues as well? A million years
ago, back when I was a COOP at Big Blue, I suggested to their
corporate suggestion-box service that they let young college-type
learning people like me get hold of subsystems, etc. that had
been scrapped for various reasons.
They said "NO WAY," for tax reasons. They sell everything to a
scrap service. I imagine we have the same thing going.
Later,
John
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| 1301.7 | TFSO Employees Can Buy Equipment | NRADM::PARENT | IT'S NOT PMS-THIS IS HOW I REALLY AM | Thu Dec 06 1990 11:43 | 8 |
| I recently received a memo & procedures outlining the process for
TFSO employees to purchase PC's & workstations. There are some
provisions, such as they have to be fully depreciated, must be
surplus, etc...
If anyone is interested I can either post it here or send via mail.
Evelyn
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| 1301.8 | | ORCAS::MCKINNON_JA | Etlham Research ASSN, Pty. Ltd. | Thu Dec 06 1990 13:41 | 2 |
| POST IT HERE, PLEASE......
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| 1301.9 | TFSO EMPLOYEE PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT | NRADM::PARENT | IT'S NOT PMS-THIS IS HOW I REALLY AM | Thu Dec 06 1990 14:25 | 280 |
| All other forwards removed....this was received via our (USAD) Controller:
To Annette Albright
Tom Colatosti
Ted Sares
Steve Smith
Paul Henrion
Harvey Jones
Rob Ayers
THIS MEMO IS FROM JOHN CAULFIELD AND JUDY ZAPPALA
We are pleased to announce a new program that will allow employees to
purchase used computer equipment. This program will provide employees
who have accepted the transition package, with an opportunity to purchase
the equipment they have in their homes provided the guidelines below are met.
o Equipment must have a zero book value.
o Equipment is limited to "Personal Use" equipment (e.g., PC, workstation,
printer, etc)
o Employees may purchase no more than the equivalent of two "Personal
Use" systems.
o Employees must sign the enclosed purchase contract.
o All third party software must be removed by a Customer Service
representative in order to comply with existing license agreements.
o The purchase price for used equipment is $200.00 for each PC and
$75.00 for each printer. The purchase price is to reimburse Digital
for administrative expense and Customer Service fees.
o Funds collected should be sent to the U.S. Cashier.
8. Cost Center managers are responsible for completing all capital
asset write off forms after the sale is complete.
We would like you to communicate this information to the organizations
you feel are appropriate. We have enclosed the procedure that Cost
Center mangers should follow and a copy of the purchase contract which
employees must sign.
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
PROCEDURE TO SELL USED COMPUTER EQUIPMENT TO EMPLOYEES.
1. Equipment has been identified as excess with no internal demand
for the product.
2. Equipment must have a zero book value.
3. Equipment is limited to "Personal Use" equipment. (e.g., PC,
workstation, printer, etc)
4. Employees may purchase no more than the equivalent of two personal
use systems per year.
5. Employees must read and sign the enclosed purchase contract.
6. All third party software must be removed by a Customer Service
representative in order to comply with existing license agreements.
This should be completed at a Customer Service Service Center and
each Cost Center manager should receive written verification that
it has been removed.
7. The purchase price for used equipment is $200.00 for each PC and $75.00
for each printer. The purchase price is to reimburse Digital for
administrative expenses and Customer Service fees.
8. Funds collected from the purchase of used equipment should be sent to the
U.S. Cashier at PKO 3/2-29 for Deposit. The following information should
accompany the deposit on a separate sheet of paper:
- Cost Center Manager's name
- Cost Center Manager's telephone number
- Cost Center Manager's electronic mail address
- Check Number
- Check Amount
- Employee Name
- Amount of Check
- Cost Center to receive credit
- Account Number to credit
9. Send a copy of the U.S. Cashier's memo (see 8 above) to Judy Zappala @CFO.
9. The appropriate capital asset write off forms must be processed by
the employee's cost center manager after the sale is complete.
DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION USED EQUIPMENT EMPLOYEE
PURCHASE TERMS AND CONDITIONS
The following are the terms and conditions under which Digital
Equipment Corporation agrees to sell and/or license and You agree
to buy and/or license the equipment and software (Products) which
are the subject of this sales agreement. This Digital Used
Equipment Employee Purchase Program is a service for Digital
employees. Products purchased through this program can only be
purchased for Digital employees and their immediate families.
Products cannot be purchased for resale or for individuals or
organizations outside the employee's immediate family. All
shipments must be to the employee's home address.
1. TAXES
Prices are exclusive of, and You are responsible for all
sales,use and like taxes.
2. PAYMENT
Payment may be by personal check (up to $300.00), bank
cashier's check or money order (for amounts of $300.01 or
more). The employee's name must be imprinted on a
personal check. All checks are to be made out to DIGITAL
EQUIPMENT CORPORATION. The amount of the check must
equal the total purchase price of the items being
ordered, plus any applicable sales/use taxes. The
employee's badge number should also be written on the
check.
3. EXPORT
United States export laws prohibit You from either
directly or indirectly exporting any Product without
first obtaining a license from the United States
Government. If You desire to export (move) the Products
outside the United States, You should contact the Manager
of DIGITAL'S Export Services Group for further
information and assistance.
4. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
DIGITAL WILL NOT BE LIABLE IN ANY EVENT FOR ANY DAMAGES
INCLUDING LOSS OF DATA, PROFITS OR SAVINGS, CLAIMS
AGAINST YOU BY ANY OTHER PARTY OR ANY OTHER INCIDENTAL OR
CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF YOUR USE OF OR
INABILITY TO USE THE PRODUCTS, EVEN IF DIGITAL IS ADVISED
OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
5. INSTALLATION
Installation of the Products is Your responsibility.
6. WARRANTY
A. WARRANTY EXCLUSIONS
ALL PRODUCTS FURNISHED UNDER THIS AGREEMENT ARE
PROVIDED "AS IS". DIGITAL DISCLAIMS, WITHOUT
LIMITATION, THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT WILL
DIGITAL BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER,
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR
CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. THIS LIMITATION IS, HOWEVER,
WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO CLAIMS BY YOU FOR PERSONAL
INJURY SUFFERED BY YOU.
B. APPLICATION SOFTWARE
No provisions have been made to license any third
party application software previously residing on
used equipment. All third party application software
has been deleted from the system as certified by a
Digital Customer Service Representative in accordance
with the Employee Used Equipment Sale Policy.
You have the sole responsibility for obtaining
software products which will run on the used
equipment. Digital does not warrant the existence or
availability of software programs which will run on
these systems.
D. LIMITATIONS
THESE WARRANTY EXCLUSIONS AND THIS EXCLUSION OF ANY
IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE MADE PART OF THIS AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE PRODUCTS
BEING SOLD ARE PRODUCTS WHICH HAVE BEEN USED
EXTENSIVELY BY DIGITAL INTERNALLY.
7. SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
All Digital Software residing on Used Equipment at the
time of Sale is furnished under the following Terms and
Conditions:
1. All Digital software residing on the Used Equipment
at the time of Sale is licensed to You for Your
personal use and may not be transferred.
2. The software and any part thereof may be used on only
the single personal computer on which the software
was installed, at the time of purchase and may be
copied in whole or in part (with the proper inclusion
of the DIGITAL copyright notice and any DIGITAL
proprietary notices on the software) only for use on
such personal computer;
3. In the event that an equipment malfunction occurs in
the above single personal computer causing the
software to become inoperable on such single personal
computer, the software (or a copy thereof) may be
used on another single personal computer on a
temporary basis during such malfunction;
4. You shall not provide or otherwise make available the
software or any part of copies thereof in any form to
any third party except for authorized use of your
personal computer;
5. No title to or ownership of the software or any parts
thereof is transferred to You;
6. DIGITAL shall have the right to terminate any
software license granted under this agreement if You
fail to comply with these license terms and
conditions. You agree, upon notice of such
termination, to immediately destroy the software
provided under such terminated licenses and all
portions and copies thereof.
8. GOVERNING LAW
This agreement is governed by the laws of the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
DIGITAL and PURCHASER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EACH HAS READ AND UNDERSTANDS
THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THIS SALE CONTRACT. BOTH DIGITAL
AND PURCHASER FURTHER AGREE THAT THIS SALE CONTRACT CONSTITUTES THE
ENTIRE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES AND THAT BOTH AGREE TO BE BOUND
BY ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN. NO DEVIATION FROM
THIS SALE CONTRACT SHALL BE BINDING UNLESS IN WRITING AND SIGNED
BY THE PARTY AGAINST WHOM THE DEVIATION IS SOUGHT TO BE ENFORCED.
_____________________________ DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION
(Purchaser)
Address:_____________________ Address:_____________________________
_____________________ _____________________________
By:__________________________________
(Authorized Signature)
Title:_______________________________
Name: _______________________ Name:________________________________
(Typed or Printed) (Typed or Printed)
Date:________________________ Date:________________________________
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| 1301.10 | What about non TFSO employees? | HPSCAD::FORTMILLER | Ed Fortmiller, MRO1-3, 297-4160 | Thu Dec 06 1990 17:30 | 1 |
| So can non TFSO employees purchase equipment?
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| 1301.11 | Why buy the cow when the milk is free? | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Dec 06 1990 22:23 | 6 |
| Why would non TFSO employees want to purchase zero-book value equipment?
I would expect the loan of any zero book value equipment to continue to
employees indefinately.
/john
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| 1301.12 | | SMAUG::GARROD | An Englishman's mind works best when it is almost too late | Thu Dec 06 1990 22:45 | 10 |
| Re:
> Why buy the cow when the milk is free?
Because if you have a beef about the milk you can eat beef.
But seriously maybe there is some 0 book value equipment around than an
employee would consider valuable and hence be willing to pay for it.
Dave
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| 1301.13 | a guess | WMOIS::B_REINKE | Minus 3 days and waiting | Sun Dec 23 1990 10:06 | 10 |
| some manoths back I was talking to a person in management about
the DIAL program, and asked why surplus equipment wasn't available
to employees to buy.
His response was that when such a program existed that it was seriously
abused and a lot of non surplus material got 'sold'. So my guess
is that current restrictions are as much to prevent employee
pilferage as anything else.
Bonnie
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| 1301.14 | Abuse or Mismanagement? | TAVIS::BARUCH | in the land of milk and honey | Mon Dec 24 1990 01:45 | 21 |
| Re 1301.13
> some manoths back I was talking to a person in management about
> the DIAL program, and asked why surplus equipment wasn't available
> to employees to buy.
>
> His response was that when such a program existed that it was seriously
> abused and a lot of non surplus material got 'sold'. So my guess
> is that current restrictions are as much to prevent employee
> pilferage as anything else.
>
Bonnie, there is no reason that I can think of why employees should not be able
to purchase surplus (or new) equipment. The response you received should be
translated. For "it was seriously abused", substitute "it was mismanaged".
If we need to "prevent employee pilferage" by stopping programs, it does not
say much for the employees or the managers.
Shalom and Seasons Greetings
Baruch
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| 1301.15 | | WMOIS::B_REINKE | Plus 6 days and waiting | Wed Dec 26 1990 13:38 | 8 |
| Baruch,
Your objection is the same as the one that I made at the time. I was
informed however, that there was no intention of starting such a
program up again.
Bonnie
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| 1301.16 | Grave Danger did it | HITPS::FALOR | Ken Falor | Thu Dec 27 1990 15:10 | 11 |
| I heard the donation (to non-profits) program was killed,
around 1987, partly by Grave Danger (Dave grainger), because
poor non-profits would get a DECmate I for free and then
get charged $1000 to get it fixed later and vow to never
buy anything made by DEC because of our high maintenance
charges.
But I agree with the comments about employee purchases.
It would be so easy to just list obsolete things
that could be bought, so VAXstation 5000's for $100 wouldn't
be finessed through the system.
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| 1301.17 | Still available? | EARRTH::D_BROWN | | Wed Mar 11 1992 09:01 | 11 |
|
RE: -.9
Is the purchase of this equipment still available to
TFSO'd personnel, or was it stopped?
If it is still active does anyone know if it will be
available to the "RETIREES" under the SERP program?
Dave
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