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1293.1 | | VCSESU::MOSHER::COOK | The Cookster! Film at 11. | Fri Nov 30 1990 15:20 | 5 |
|
I don't know about money, but it wouldn't save me from some incredible
problems is this was done. Our suffering would be legendary.
/prc
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1293.2 | DEC doesn't have that option | GUIDUK::B_WOOD | Having a wonderfull Alaska Summer | Fri Nov 30 1990 15:26 | 6 |
| This would present some serious legal problems. In California, State
Law requires all employers, with one exception, to pay employees at
least twice a month. That one exception is the State of California
which pays all employees monthly :-)
|
1293.3 | | COOKIE::LENNARD | | Fri Nov 30 1990 17:01 | 4 |
| I'd love it, but given that most people are one weekly pay check away
from the poor farm, there would have to be a lengthy transition period.
But the other guy is correct....it is illegal in many states.
|
1293.4 | Paid weekly, budget monthly | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Nov 30 1990 19:47 | 8 |
| Cookster, you can avoid those problems by doing as I do:
Save your statements until the end of the month, and add them all into your
checkbook then.
One nice thing about this is that four times a year you get a bonus.
/john
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1293.5 | Seems reasonable to me... | MU::PORTER | 892,038,479 | Sun Dec 02 1990 22:57 | 3 |
| In the UK, we are paid monthly in advance. Monthly is usual;
I don't think "in advance" is.
|
1293.6 | Been a while since you were in the UK, Dave | LESLIE::LESLIE | Andy, NEW B1/2-5, DTN 774 6230 | Mon Dec 03 1990 04:02 | 6 |
| Not true. We are paid at the end of the first week of any given month
- on the 7th - for that month, so we are paid one week in arrears,
three weeks in advance.
/andy/
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1293.7 | | LESLIE::LESLIE | Andy, NEW B1/2-5, DTN 774 6230 | Mon Dec 03 1990 04:03 | 9 |
| Actually, it occurs to me that the scheme we use in the UK (.6) would
probably be legal in most states - your being paid in advance would
negate most penalties.
As to the basenote, being paid monthly would, if the money was invested
correctly, garner millions in accrued interest to DEC.
/andy/
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1293.8 | The Swiss way | SHIRE::GOLDBLATT | | Mon Dec 03 1990 06:06 | 5 |
| I Switzerland we are payed just before the start of each month. Delays
in processing the payments through the bank make this payment arrive
in our personal account in the first week of the month.
David
|
1293.9 | | SAUTER::SAUTER | John Sauter | Mon Dec 03 1990 08:01 | 10 |
| When I first moved to New Hampshire I was paid monthly. If I remember
correctly, I was at work about 6 weeks before receiving my first
paycheck, for my first month's work. I got a little hungry the week
before the paycheck came in---the savings account had stayed with my
wife in California, so I had to live on the cash I carried with me.
Yes, I agree that a transition period would be appropriate. Also,
the profit made by investing the salary money should be added to
everyone's base pay, as a sweetener.
John Sauter
|
1293.10 | | REGENT::POWERS | | Mon Dec 03 1990 08:51 | 9 |
| When I lived and worked in NH, I was paid monthly, on the last day
of the month, for that month.
When I moved to Massachusetts, I was told that Mass law requires that a worker
be paid within a week of the end of the week for the work of that week.
Thus if one were to be paid monthly in Mass, part of the pay would be two
or more weeks in advance, presumably negating savings to the the employer
on interest, though perhaps saving a tiny bit on overhead of preparation
and printing. I would assume that time reporting, vacation accounting,
and such would be recorded weekly, so these could be kept current and accurate.
|
1293.11 | | RTL::CMURRAY | Chuck Murray | Mon Dec 03 1990 09:15 | 15 |
| Hey, why stop at paying once a month? For really big savings, how about
paying people once a year? Or better yet, only when they retire or quit
(10-year minimum wait required)? Digital would put the money each week in
an escrow account and keep all the interest, thus bringing in lots of
extra revenue.
And for those wimpy crybabies who don't like it, or who claim they need
the money for rent, mortgage, food, or other frivolities -- tough. If
they want the money bad enough, Digital could loan it at "n" points over the
current prime rate, thus making even more money.
P.S. "Shifting gears" a bit... Re .10: I hope you're right about the Mass.
state law! I once worked for a company in Ohio that paid once a month - for
the previous month worked. I didn't care for the practice then, and wouldn't
welcome it now.
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1293.12 | Topic 101, to be precise | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Mon Dec 03 1990 09:50 | 2 |
| This topic has been discussed to death in the DELTA_IDEAS conference
(KP7 or SELECT to add to your notebook).
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1293.13 | I tried | MCIS2::MACKEY | | Mon Dec 03 1990 10:33 | 11 |
| I submitted such an idea over a year ago, My suggestion was to go to
a two week pay period. I am not a financial person but with my
crued thoughts and ways I came up with savings in the multi million
dollar range. Dec would be keeping the money in the bank for a longer
time and collecting that much more interest. My idea was basically
tabled, I was told it had been looked into in the past and that there
were to many legal / personnel issues etc. I was also asked that if
I wanted to pursue it then I needed to supply more info and cost
savings. This shocked me because as I said I am terrible with
finances. thats what they pay people like osterhoff to do, not me.
|
1293.14 | | MU::PORTER | 892,038,479 | Mon Dec 03 1990 11:16 | 5 |
| One thing I don't understand -- why is it that being paid monthly
is apparently acceptable to Europeans [I suppose that since the
service tunnel has been connected, the UK is now part of Europe :-)]
but not in the USA, aside from the details of what the law requires?
|
1293.15 | It's coming . . . | CAPNET::CROWTHER | Maxine 276-8226 | Mon Dec 03 1990 11:26 | 6 |
| For everyone's information, Payroll has spent the last several months
looking at cost saving ideas for their function. Many ideas have come
in to the DELTA Program along this line and they have been taken into
consideration in the decision process. There will be a decision made
and communicated in the near future.
|
1293.16 | we don't ask Europe to ban beer do we? | CVG::THOMPSON | Does your manager know you read Notes? | Mon Dec 03 1990 12:13 | 8 |
| RE: .14 I've wondered why Europeans accept getting paid monthly
as well. It doesn't seem like a reasonable thing at all. But there
are a lot of things, it seems, that European people will put up
with that Americans will not. Cultural differences I guess. It seems
rather unfair to force one group to accept something just because
"Well, this is how it's done in Europe."
Alfred
|
1293.17 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Mon Dec 03 1990 12:23 | 2 |
| I'd gladly accept monthly pay if I got as much time off as Europeans get.
(Yes, I know U.S. salaries are higher.)
|
1293.18 | It's done in the US too | NEWVAX::PAVLICEK | Zot, the Ethical Hacker | Mon Dec 03 1990 12:34 | 11 |
| I used to work for a US company which paid us monthly (I prefer it to
the every-other-week business; most of my bills are monthly and it is
much easier to plan a budget). Of course, you were paid on the 15th
of the month for that entire month (i.e., you were paid for days you
hadn't yet worked).
The company that did this was also notorious for paying LOW salaries --
except to top officials whose salaries made KO's look like minimum
wage.
-- Russ
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1293.19 | | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Patrick Sweeney in New York | Mon Dec 03 1990 12:55 | 12 |
| Why not have each employee write a non-tax deductible check for about
0.08% of their salary around Christmas time and call it a Christmas
present for Digital? For an employee earning $52,000 that's $41.58
(assuming 8% annual interest)
That's what the out of pocket cost to an employee would roughly be if
the company went to paying every two weeks. The company receives the
interest on money for a week, 26 times during the year. Who's getting
this money now? The employees. Get the idea, this is a zero-sum game.
I think we ought to concentrate on how to make the shareholders of our
competitors poorer rather than Digital employees poorer.
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1293.21 | | MU::PORTER | 892,038,479 | Mon Dec 03 1990 15:42 | 3 |
| I never figured it was much of a hardship to be paid monthly.
In fact, I preferred it that way (lower I/O rate on the bank
balance; a lot easier to keep track of).
|
1293.22 | Changing payroll is a costly proposition | GUIDUK::B_WOOD | Having a wonderfull Alaska Summer | Mon Dec 03 1990 15:53 | 26 |
| I can't speak for the GIA employees, but the monthly pay is probably
done for logistical reasons. How do you transport weekly checks around
the world insuring that they always get there on time? The same
question arises with direct deposit.
As far as changing the domestic payroll scheme, this would require
significant administrative changes. I'm sure we could change to a
bi-weekly payroll with little pain. I don't think a semi-monthly
payroll would work as well because as a company our personel accounting
is based upon weeks. Say cutoff is every friday or every other friday.
When you implement semi-monthly, your cutoff rules are different, i.e.
the 10th and 25th unless they fall on weekends in which they then
occur on the previous friday unless that is a holiday or the moon
is in the later phases before and after the fall equinox [sic].
In justification of changing payroll is the costs of producing and
distributing paystubs [paychecks]. It costs the company significantly
more to cut and distribute the checks than they spent on ecomonic
interest lost. The figures I heard when doing payroll systems years
ago was a average cost of $1.00 to $1.50 per check when a company had
10,000+ employees. I'm sure DEC is in that ballpark because at certain
points in a distributed company, payroll costs become constant based
upon number of employees.
In summation, there might be savings, but the imediate disruption
inside Digital might cost more than any immediate savings.
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1293.23 | Cash flow could be an issue, too! | ANILAM::MCGOWAN | Tom, TWO/C5, DTN 247-2563, TRG | Mon Dec 03 1990 16:19 | 9 |
| I used to work for a company that did payroll monthly. When they went through
some rough times, they switched over to paying us weekly, even though it
meant shelling out money sooner for the first 3 weeks. The reason they
gave was cash flow, which I guess companies like to keep nice and even.
This was in New Hampshire, by the way, and about 12 years ago, so I don't
know what the current laws are.
- Tom
|
1293.24 | | LESLIE::LESLIE | Andy, NEW B1/2-5, DTN 774 6230 | Mon Dec 03 1990 20:14 | 6 |
| RE: .22 European and GIA employees are paid locally by the company they
work for (in my case Digital Equipment Limited, the British subsidiary
company). Cheques aren't printed in the USA and "transported around the
globe'.
Had to grin...
|
1293.25 | increased payroll admin? | AMIS::HOLSTENSON | Citro�n B11 - 1953 | Tue Dec 04 1990 03:25 | 11 |
|
Doesn't it take much more administration to handle four payments per
employee every month? I know this is pretty much handled by the
computer, but there has to be someone pushing the bottons.
I can understand temps and contactors wanting their pay on a weekly
basis, but does it make sense for regular emloyees. (we're not called
permanent any more for obvious reasons)...;^)
Lars
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1293.26 | Defer all compensation | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Patrick Sweeney in New York | Tue Dec 04 1990 08:01 | 19 |
| Piece by piece I suppose I'll have to educate everyone here about the
time value of money and that to change the flow of money with no value
added is no "savings" whether it's out of employees', customers', or
vendors' pockets and into Digital's. We've got to get smart, not
greedy. Maybe the "right" suggestion is to evaluate out-sourcing US
payroll administration.
Payroll is a system that is heavily weighted on the _input_ side, all
those records that have to collected and those updates need to be made.
The _output_ side is mailing out magtapes, checks, and stubs. Small
potatoes, I'm afraid.
I'll suggest that we work for _free_ and receive a lump sum upon
retirement or termination with no accrued interest for "salary".
No, I'll suggest that we work for _free_ and receive a lump sum TEN
YEARS AFTER retirement or termination with no accrued interest for
"salary".
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1293.27 | Get everyone possible on Direct Deposit | ACOSTA::MIANO | John - NY Retail Banking Resource Cntr | Tue Dec 04 1990 13:47 | 12 |
| The way we could save money is to get everybody in the US in
direct deposit and then send out the stubs once a month. I have got to
believe that the cost of printing out the forms once a week far exceeds
the savings the company might get from the interest on holding the
money.
Besides, even in these tough times I don't think that Digital really
wants to squeeze a few $$$s in interest from the the employees. So
if you really want to save DEC money you should sign up for Direct
Deposit. You get your money faster and even if Digital sends the stubs
weekly they don't have to go through all the control procedures involved
with printing real checks.
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1293.28 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Tue Dec 04 1990 14:58 | 9 |
| How did this get turned into a supposed "U.S. vs. Europe" issue?
As many U.S. persons have mentioned, other companies and government agencies
in the U.S. pay monthly. Millions of Americans are paid monthly, usually on
the last day of the month.
Massachusetts has a law requiring weekly pay. It doesn't make sense for DEC
to pay differently than required by law in the single state where the largest
number of DEC employees work.
|
1293.29 | What's the REAL story here? | SSDEVO::EKHOLM | Greg - party today, tomorrow we die! (Cluster Adjuster) | Tue Dec 04 1990 18:08 | 11 |
| re: several
What seem to be the big deal with planning your month on a 4
week basis. For all those who can't handle being paid once a week,
perhaps a small course in basic math is in order.
I seem to do just fine and figure my budget on a 4 week month
and even get a bonus 4 times a year. If we are talking saving
money for DEC here, then that's a different story. What are the
people who can't handle the 4 paychecks a month really saying??
Greg
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1293.30 | | RANGER::WHITE | sue white, decstation engineering | Tue Dec 04 1990 20:28 | 10 |
| I question the existence of a law in Massachusetts relating to weekly
pay since I worked for 4 different hi tech companies in Mass. prior
to coming to DEC and pay schedules ranged from every other week to
bi monthly to monthly. I never saw a weekly pay schedule till I
came here. Actually, I found monthly to be quite convenient
since bills generally come in once a month anyway but it
did require a certain amount of planning.
-sue
|
1293.31 | Maybe a savings for employees, too. | BTOVT::GREENE_K | This isn't nirvana? | Wed Dec 05 1990 08:40 | 16 |
| Re: .27
Point well taken regarding direct deposit versus live checks.
It has always amazed me to see people on vacation come in to the
facility (during their vacation) to pick up their live check.
Personally, when I'm on vacation, I appreciate the flexibility of
getting money (out of my account) when I need it.
With the increasing costs of fuel, we may possibly see more people
converting to direct deposit. I.E., cost of easy touch transaction,
~$1.00, being less than the cost of driving to pick up live check and
cash it.
Kevin
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1293.32 | | WEFXEM::COTE | Can't touch this... | Wed Dec 05 1990 12:21 | 9 |
| > I question the existance of a law...
From what I can gather, the law doesn't apply to everyone only those
people who are paid on an hourly basis. (I think!)
Apparently salaried employees can be paid less often than once a week
if the company wants.
Edd
|
1293.33 | FYI | PNO::HEISER | send an enemy a smoke alarm for Xmas! | Wed Dec 05 1990 13:17 | 90 |
| [forwardings removed...]
Subj: Cost savings for DEC of the 1990's
***** NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTENTION *****
The following decisions have been made based on extensive meetings and
discussions with chief corporate executives.
1) Over the next few weeks, all phones will be removed from individual
offices. If you wish to make calls, use the pay phones which will
be installed in each main lobby. You can request reimbursement for
business-related calls by completing the appropriate expense voucher
-- itemizing each call with the date, time, duration, party called,
conversation summary, and business purpose.
2) It has come to our attention that most one-person offices contain a
minimum of 2 chairs. We believe this is not only a waste of resources
but encourages unnecessary personal contact. Our goal this quarter is to
eliminate extra chairs and make our workers more productive professionals.
Some groups have already initiated the SQUIRT strategy: If anyone comes
into their office for a reason that is not business or revenue-producing,
it is permissible to squirt the offender with a water pistol. Check with
your site training manager for the time and location of the ONLY training
approved for this quarter: EW290DW -- "Effective Interpersonal Water
Delivery in a Lair Environment".
3) Effective immediately, all hot water used in restrooms and at kitchen
islands throughout the facilities will be turned off. Studies have shown
there is NO evidence of an increase in illness when hands are washed
using cold water. It has also been found that cold water stimulates the
brain -- an obvious health/business benefit.
4) All copy machines will be located in locked rooms. Those employees with
appropriate job titles will be issued "keycards" which can be used to
access the copy machines. The keycard will be encoded with the employee's
cost center, badge number, and copy-maximum number. A committee has been
appointed to determine the copy-maximum number for each job title. Once
the limit has been reached, the card becomes inactive and a report will be
sent to the employee's cost center manager. This restricting and monitoring
of the use of copy machines is estimated to save the company $1,000,000
each month!
5) There is substantial evidence that the majority of the people working
past 9 pm are nonconforming, innovative, engineering types whose 'best
inspirations' come to them between the hours of 9 pm and 5 am. Since our
new business strategy is to follow the pack rather than lead it, we need
to make every effort to discourage any troublesome new ideas. Therefore,
no system manager is permitted to back up any files that have been
produced between the hours of 9 pm and 5 am.
6) Given the economic climate today, more employees have been seen
bringing in their own coffee and lunches. As we all know, the cafeteria
and vending machines sell the same items. In order for these outside
businesses to pay the rent on using company space, they must continue to
make a profit. We cannot afford to lose this revenue, which is often more
than we make from selling our own products. THEREFORE, the security guards
will no longer allow anyone to carry foodstuff past the front desk.
Customers are excluded from this policy.
7) In the past, the company did not feel it was necessary to install a time
clock in order to ensure that employees put in a full 8 hours of work.
At those facilities where it was noticed that morale was lowest and
tardiness was greatest, a senior vice president was stationed at the front
entrance to monitor offenders. We still do not believe in time clocks;
however, after careful study of the Japanese, we have decided to institute
the practice of checking in employee's shoes at the front desk. No one will
receive their shoes back until 9 hours (1 hour for lunch) have past, except
in the case of an emergency or a signed note from their cost center manager.
8) It has been proven that the accumulation of spilled coffee around
coffee machines could be an electrical hazard, though we have had no report
of anyone getting shocked (except several important customers who
experienced
horror at the messy appearance). We have provided paper towels for the
express purpose of keeping these areas clean and dry. With your safety in
mind, we will post new signs at each coffee machine with this motto:
**** USE THEM (the towels) OR LOSE THEM (the machines). ****
Please note: Caffeine might be included on the DRUG chart in the near
future.
Its use and potential abuse is under review at this time. A decision will
be forecoming as to whether this company wants to give the impression that
it approves of any DRUG usage.
If you have questions or concerns about your ability to follow these
guidelines, please see your manager for encouragement and support in making
an appropriate career change.
|
1293.34 | more humor - FYI | PNO::HEISER | send an enemy a smoke alarm for Xmas! | Wed Dec 05 1990 13:20 | 47 |
| [forwardings removed...]
{"Wall Street Journal", November 29, 1990, p. B2} Maynard - Digital
Equipment Announces Termination Program.
A company executive confirmed that Digital will terminate in
excess of 20,000 employees through a program known internally
as "Fat Man". The official, who declined to be identified,
revealed that anti-personnel explosives will be detonated in an
unspecified number company cafeterias to down size overall
headcount.
"We looked at a lot of options, and decided that this approach would
accomplish our financial goals within the context of Digital's values
of respecting the dignity of the individual, valuing differences, and
returning a fair profit to our shareholders." The executive went on to
explain that all employees have an equal opportunity of being
terminated. "Several important details deserve recognition. Out of
compassion, we decided to shoot the wounded. Furthermore, we decided
to wait until after the holidays...we wanted to make sure that everyone
had an opportunity to enjoy the season of peace and good will toward
humankind. Then people can start the new year looking forward to a
wonderful opportunity."
From a financial perspective, the spokesperson indicated that Digital
will provide surviving family members with a generous severance package
which will include a burial benefit of up to $5,000 with a $250 out of
pocket deductible. The official elaborated, "Our research shows that
our burial benefit is one of the most liberal in the industry. And
since the employee dies on the job, the family receives four times the
employee's salary in the form of a lump sum life insurance payment
under the terms of the accidental death and dismemberment clause of
Digital's group insurance contract. We are very excited about this
program, and we feel that we are going to turn the corner on the head
count problem, and the best part of the whole program is that it will
not cost DEC a nickel and it reduces costly floor space to boot!
Wall Street analysts indicate that it won't be enough.
|
1293.35 | fact or humor? | AISG::KURAS | Nice shoes, Joe! | Wed Dec 05 1990 14:09 | 10 |
| re: -2
Mike -
At first I thought that you may have been serious in what you wrote.
Humor or no humor, our hot water heater in our facility conveniently
broke last week, and it will take some time for replacement parts to
arrive. Meanwhile, we make do with cold water.
I wonder if our joggers in the building are taking cold showers?
|
1293.36 | MA law, last I knew. | BLUMON::WAYLAY::GORDON | The gifted and the damned... | Wed Dec 05 1990 16:57 | 14 |
| Last I knew, the MA law was (in a nutshell):
o Hourly employees must be paid weekly.
o No employer may hold more than a week's pay in arrears.
[Note: I am not a laywer. The information I have is several years
old and may have changed. There may be exceptions. I know at least one employer
who holds wages for the entire summer, but does supply room and board for his
staff.]
--Doug
|
1293.37 | keep it weekly | SMOOT::ROTH | Iraq needs lawyers... send some NOW!! | Thu Dec 06 1990 13:15 | 24 |
|
.30> came here. Actually, I found monthly to be quite convenient
.30> since bills generally come in once a month anyway but it
.30> did require a certain amount of planning.
.30>
.30> -sue
The planning effort needed to stretch a monthly paycheck
is probably equal to the the effort needed to budget money each
week for making monthly payments so effortwise it's about equal.
Re: a few back, weekly direct deposit and monthly stubs
Some people still get paid overtime (sigh, none for me since '83!)
and thus each deposit can only be estimated. The stub is typically
needed since the electronic system doesn't let you query about
deposits made to your account.
I'd vote to keep the pay weekly if asked.
Lee
|
1293.38 | | SMEGIT::ARNOLD | A lifeless planet & me with no beer | Thu Dec 06 1990 15:11 | 8 |
| Now this one will save us *millions*, or perhaps even better, maybe
more than the cancellation of bottled water will save us. Just found
out that [allegedly] there is a new 'cost saving policy' in place that
says if we want 1991 refills for our Day-Timers, it comes out of our
own pocket. Work *smarter*, not [necessarily] harder, but make sure
the expense comes out of your own pocket...
Jon
|
1293.39 | Depends on What's Really Important to You. | NRADM::PARENT | IT'S NOT PMS-THIS IS HOW I REALLY AM | Thu Dec 06 1990 15:36 | 12 |
| Although I could have submitted the bills for my Franklin refill
for reimbursement I felt it was terribly petty to do so because I
use them all the time - not just during work hours. Digital paid
for the course and materials initially and I don't mind paying
subsequently for refills - figured it was a reasonable trade off.
Do you use the Day-Timers only during work hours? If so, you're
probably further ahead to find another method that the company will
pay for....if you use them outside of work too, and really rely on
them, just bite the bullet and be glad you got them for free before.
Evelyn
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1293.40 | get them free from outside Digital | SAUTER::SAUTER | John Sauter | Fri Dec 07 1990 08:02 | 4 |
| I get my calendars from a local store that gives them away to
customers. They imprint their name and address on the front, but
I can live with that.
John Sauter
|
1293.41 | | BUNYIP::QUODLING | Another year older, and deeper in debt... | Fri Dec 07 1990 09:56 | 5 |
| Nows to the for someone to come up with an innovative Postscript program
for generating daytimer refills...
q
|
1293.42 | Daytimers | PCOJCT::SWEENEY | Patrick Sweeney in New York | Fri Dec 07 1990 21:41 | 13 |
| Regarding PostScript (tm) look alikes for Daytimers (tm). The
appearance of the page is protected by copyright.
Regarding "free" calendars with advertising imprints. Digital in years
gone by, did that and distributed them to customers as tokens like
those coffee mugs with the logo.
In 1975 as a new employee I was in a meeting with an IBM sales rep who
handed out a few calendars. He knew that I wasn't a customer, but of
course, he wouldn't be crass and single me out for not getting a
calendar. When I started to use it in the DEC office, people went
ballistic and insisted that I get a Daytimer from Allentown PA. It was
only then that I learned that Digital did this gratis.
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1293.43 | thoughts, probably unpopular | SUPER::HENDRICKS | The only way out is through | Sun Dec 09 1990 11:12 | 31 |
| I wanted one of the Franklin time management systems that I've seen
many people use effectively in meetings. I would use it about 80% for
business and 20% for personal/academic use.
For some reason, only managers in my group can get sent to the Time
Management course where you get the calendar systems as part of the
package. I begged and pleaded to attend, but couldn't convince anyone
it would be worth it. (Helping me stay organized is actually one of the
better investments DEC could make in me in terms of its business.)
I finally decided that it was worth it to me in peace of mind to get a
good system that would help me eliminate all the little scraps of paper
that I scribble things on. I decided to purchase one of the Franklin
systems myself for next year. I got the catalog and ordered one -
there are even packages that even include books and tapes on how to use
them. (It's probably pretty intuitive.)
Other people may differ, but I found that I really didn't mind paying
for something that would make this much of a difference to me
personally. I would *like* it if DEC would buy it for me, but staying
organized and not hunting for little pieces of paper and old meeting
notes and other miscellaneous things will buy me some tangible personal
time and serenity.
I am really glad DEC pays for university courses, but I've always been
surprised (and pleased) that DEC pays for our schoolbooks. I always
write in mine and keep them for my personal use. That too feels like
something that is nice in a time of abundance, but is it really
necessary in a time of belt-tightening?
Holly
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1293.44 | .-1 already implemented | RTL::HOBDAY | Distribution & Concurrency: Hand in Hand | Sun Dec 09 1990 19:30 | 5 |
| As of the recent purchasing memo, everyone will be paying for their own
Franklin Time Management systems and updates at least for the rest of
FY91. I just ordered my refills last night.
-Ken
|
1293.45 | Who needs Franklin, anyway | SHALOT::PACK | A new era begins | Mon Dec 10 1990 10:26 | 8 |
| We have some really nice Postscript printouts from ALL-IN-1 Time
Management, available soon through ASSETS.
You might want to take a look at them - they're so nice that I don't
use paper calendars at all anymore.
Mail me if you have questions,
Leslie
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1293.46 | | TRCA03::FINNEY | Keep cool, but do not freeze | Mon Dec 10 1990 10:52 | 43 |
| About a month ago, I sent to DELTA_IDEAS a suggestion that Digital
officially entrench the use/access to Employee Interest Notesfiles
as an official benefit of working a DEC. The cost savings were obvious
- less time & energy expended by people who want to shut them down,
therefore higher productivity.
Here is the reponse I got today:
-----------------------------------------
From: TRCO01::MRGATE::"KAOA00::AKOV00::OGOMTS::CAPNET::A1::CENTRAL2.IDEA"
To: FINNEY
CC:
Subj: DELTA IDEA REGARDING NOTESFILE
From: NAME: IDEA CENTRAL2
FUNC: DELTA PROGRAM OFFICE
TEL: Karen Agule 276-9339 <CENTRAL2.IDEA AT A1 at CAPNET atOGO>
To: ALBERT ANG @WRO,
KEN FINNEY @TRC
We received a response from Dan Infante regarding your notesfile
suggestions.
Regards,
Karen Agule
***************************************
well, the rest is that by-now-famous memo from Dan Infante (no need to
reproduce it).
I responded by asking what my suggestion has to do with Mr. Infante,
I don;t work for him or his organization, and as far as I could tell,
Mr. Infante has no corporate purview over Notes Files, or the Digital
Employee benefits programs.
Scooter
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1293.47 | | LESLIE::LESLIE | Andy Leslie | Mon Dec 10 1990 10:56 | 1 |
| You may find LESLIE::EMPLOYEE_INTEREST_NOTING of interest...
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1293.48 | Oooops, No More Yellow Stickies, Either | MYGUY::LANDINGHAM | Mrs. Kip | Mon Dec 10 1990 12:42 | 11 |
| .45 - Leslie: Can you tell us where we can get copies of the
postscript printouts from ALL-IN-1 Time Management??? If I was
creative and if I had the time, I could just type something up and
photocopy it myself, I suppose... But I just learned that COSMOS is
shut down completely 'til January. I had been trying to order a
calendar for my boss since November [I'm a secretary] with no luck.
The little stickies with notes for next year's calendar just can't cut
it any more!
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1293.49 | this is Month Overview | SHALOT::LAMPSON | Victim of Change | Mon Dec 10 1990 13:07 | 97 |
| Attached is part of the description from the Office ASSETS library
for the Month Overview printout. I believe the weekly print-out
(which looks like a day planner page) is still in the ASSETS
submission queue. Type VTX ASSETS_OFFICE from DCL to get to the
Office ASSETS system.
_Mike
Solution Tool Description
DIGITAL
Time Management PostScript[R] Month Overview, Release 1.0
Solution Tool
DESCRIPTION
Time Management PostScript Month Overview is a Solution Tool
offering users the ability to create realistic, PostScript style
month overviews from within ALL-IN-1 Time Management. The highly
flexible menus allow users to control both formatting and font
selection. The ALL-IN-1 system manager controls all the defaults.
The Time Management PostScript Month Overview produces a wall
calendar style (landscape) printout featuring five weeks of seven
days and includes miniature calendars for both the previous and
following months. The header information includes the user's ALL-
IN-1 full name, the calendar month and year, and the current date
and time.
The main ALL-IN-1 screen for Time Management PostScript Month
Overview enables users to format their calendar information to fit
their specific needs. Users can specify from one up to four lines
to print for each event. This determines how much information will
be printed about each calendar entry.
Users can also specify the number of lines for each day, or the
number of lines to print in each box, and this will cause the text
in the boxes to shrink to the specified size. If a user specifies
zero lines per day, Time Management PostScript Month Overview will
dynamically adjust the text size on a daily basis, such that the
calendar information specified will fit in each box. In the event
that a user has specified more calendar information than will fit
in a daily box, Time Management PostScript Month Overview will
place an inverted triangle (V) next to the day number, signifying
that there was more information than would fit.
_____________________
[R] PostScript is a registered trademark of Adobe Systems, Inc.
10-SEP-1990 Digital Equipment Corporation 1
Solution Tool Description
FEATURES
Time Management PostScript Month Overview provides the following
features:
o Users can fully customize their calendar printouts to fit their
specific needs.
o Users can select from all fonts available to their specific
PostScript printers, and the ALL-IN-1 Administrator can
maintain this list through an entry form provided.
o Users can choose to print the location for calendar events
(meetings). The location is printed with an "@" sign on the
line following the event.
o For maximum readability, the PPM option will selectively wrap
the words in calendar entries such that words are not split
across lines in the daily box, or for maximum information, this
feature will fit as much text as possible on each line of the
daily box.
o Includes both normal formatting, and a special center-punch
formatting option which leaves the fourth day position blank
so that the printout may be folded and punched, suitable for
inclusion in a popular day-timer.
o Users can specify that all days in the past should be shaded,
and this helps to highlight the current day, and is a visual
queue to where the user should look.
o Users can print multiple months with a single command, and can
print from one to twelve months for each command.
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1293.50 | Will Take a Look | MYGUY::LANDINGHAM | Mrs. Kip | Mon Dec 10 1990 16:53 | 1 |
| Thank you very much.
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1293.51 | only so many ways to list the hours in a day | SVBEV::VECRUMBA | Do the right thing! | Wed Dec 12 1990 18:46 | 12 |
|
re .42
I don't think there's a big issue around printing something that looks
like a Day-Timer page. Before DEC, I used the Franklin refills (I took
their time management course), and my well-worn leather binder is from
Franklin, too. When I came to DEC, where we used Day-Timer, I just selected
the refills that look the most like Franklin's -- virtually identical.
Of course, the operative word is "virtually," i.e., "not quite"!
/Petes
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1293.52 | | BUNYIP::QUODLING | Aussie Licensing Devo | Thu Dec 13 1990 09:27 | 7 |
| Indeed, the intent of my suggestion, was not that we mimic Daytimer format,
but perhaps come up with our own. And then we could have smart translator
code, that munged our All-in-1 calendars, or decwindows calendars into the
appropriate format...
q
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1293.53 | Re - Daytimer page generation | STAR::PARKE | I'm a surgeon, NOT Jack the Ripper | Mon Dec 17 1990 17:11 | 20 |
| Actually, you can fine tune the daytimer pages to your own use if you do
something like this. There are several pages which I ordeder at startup that
are "almost" what I want. I have looked at getting the small punch (I have
the next size down from desk size) and printing my own pages two up and
double sided on such as the LPS 20 or som other double sided printer.
All one needs is a good paper cutter and the 7 hole punch to complete the job
and you can then get EXACTLY what you want for refills. I expect that the
indexes (jan-dec) et all will last for a while.
This way, you dont blast the copyright as your pages are different. Also, the
Franklin 7 hole pages are compatible with the DayTime binder and are usually
.50 cheaper per pack (and no extra plastic "holders" are included).
My only wonder at thisd "money saver" is what is the cost per page to Digital
for us (engineers) to generate the pages, vs the cost per page to buy the
refills (if they pay. I have been ordering my own for the last cycle or so).
Bill
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1293.54 | What's so bad about getting your own DayTimer? | STAR::BECK | Paul Beck | Tue Dec 18 1990 10:04 | 9 |
| I've been buying my own DayTimers for at least five years. I
figure the company buys (or bought) me a Weekly Minder if I wanted
one, and if I wanted something fancier that does the same thing,
it's my dollar.
When I see complaints about DEC nickle-and-diming its employees, I
can't help but wonder if it really isn't the other way around.
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1293.55 | | SUPER::HENDRICKS | The only way out is through | Fri Jan 04 1991 19:18 | 13 |
| I don't really mind paying for a system that works for me.
What was hard for me is that the managers in our group got sent to the
Franklin Time Management seminar where they were given the complete
system, and the ICs were not able to attend. The only way to get one
was to buy one.
But since it was worth it to me, I bought one. I am very glad I did.
In just a few days I have been feeling much more on top of the little
scraps of paper I used to chase around my desk. The prioritized to-do
list on the calendar page is wonderful for me!
Holly
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