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1078.1 | Not that it suprises me... | ESCROW::KILGORE | Wild Bill | Thu Apr 12 1990 10:42 | 4 |
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Grumbling in a corner (or a private conference) is not a way to encourage
change.
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1078.2 | doing what's right -- who ensures this? | ODIXIE::CARNELL | DTN 385-2901 David Carnell @ALF | Thu Apr 12 1990 11:13 | 30 |
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REF: <<< Note 1078.1 by ESCROW::KILGORE >>>
>><<Grumbling in a corner (or a private conference) is not a way to
encourage change.>>
You must have missed the satire -- there never was an real intent nor
will there be any such formal club, VAXnotes conference, pins or
newsletter.
And with regard to what you call "grumbling"...
... no employee, our most valuable asset, deserves to be put down and
reprimanded for simply creating an idea to build a better and more
successful Digital, and expressing that idea and opinion to anyone in
Digital, including to specific organizations seeking ideas, such as
Employee Involvement or DELTA!
Such practice, by either a manager or an individual contributor, is
reprehensible, immoral, unethical, and not in line with either basic
human dignity or with Digital's philosophy of doing what's right.
Since it appears that some employees, who are indeed sending
suggestions to Employee Involvement and DELTA, are getting "dinged" for
it, I have "written my congressman" seeking help to affect change;
i.e., Alan Zimmerle, chartered by the Executive Committee to make
employee involvement real, calling his attention to what I perceive to
be a growing trend as more employees begin speaking, expressing their
ideas and opinions, as encouraged by Employee Involvement and DELTA,
and getting zapped for doing so.
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1078.3 | this is NOT a suggestion | CSG001::MILLER | Ubi dubium, ibi libertas | Thu Apr 12 1990 11:37 | 10 |
| I'm not going to suggest this, because I don't want to be turned
down, but why didn't you make, as a requirement to be a member of
the Donkey Otey Clup the unaminous approval of a Marketing VP, an
Engineering VP and two Digital Lawyers, neither being associated
with the two VP's, plus the nignt operator of the elevator in building
5 at the Mill.
Hard copy, no FAXes allowed.
;+}
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1078.4 | | TIXEL::ARNOLD | Real men don't set for stun | Thu Apr 12 1990 12:03 | 10 |
| At the regular club meetings, special recognition (perhaps a bottle of
Mylanta) should be given to those employees who, at least 2 or 3 times
in the prior 12 month period, have done the right thing for Digital as
a company, yet were trounced by their management because that
particular "right thing" did not directly benefit their own group.
JOn
(Wonder if we can get discounts on Mylanta if it is purchased by the
train load...)
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1078.5 | "I beleive...." | AUNTB::REAMS | POSITIVE WIZARDS CREATE THEIR FUTURE | Thu Apr 12 1990 16:37 | 20 |
| David, I am concerned with the almost "hopelessness" you conveyed in
your base-note entry. I believe that you are or at least were
committed to the success of DELTA or similar programs. I am also upset
to hear that idea contributers may be receiving grief or retribution
for their suggestions. I am fortunate to work in a Districr & Region
that supports & nourishes employee involvement & empowerment, but I
also realize that differnt managers are at different stages of
"developement" when it comes to these principles. There are still some
"Old School" managers out there that still beleive that only they know
the answers and that employee involvement is a form of anarchy. The
system is changing every day, slowly, but it is getting better. What
do we do when we hit these roadblocks? Exactly what you said you are
doing...Escalate the issue. I honestly beleive that the upper echelons
of Digital support what we are trying to do. They believe it's
working, and when it doesn't we have to make sure that we take the
actions necessary to make it work or make it visible. If you or anyone
else ever needs help in the battle for success, you have my standing
offer to assist in any manner I possible can. We WILL/DO make a
difference.
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1078.6 | call your congressman -- Zimmerle or Pitts | ODIXIE::CARNELL | DTN 385-2901 David Carnell @ALF | Thu Apr 12 1990 17:53 | 48 |
| Ref: <<< Note 1078.5 by AUNTB::REAMS >>>
Thanks for the encouragement.
If you have the commitment at your district, you are fortunate indeed.
As you noted, it is not yet universal, being fought in pockets, and not
at all accepted, either as a program or as a new philosophy of management
practice at many locations.
In addition, employees who have submitted ideas, either to their local
DELTA Council or to Employee Involvement @CFO, from anywhere in the
world, because of my enthusiasm for the program where I announced its
initialization in the VAXnotes conferences DIGITAL and MARKETING, and
who have been subsequently dinged and have felt pain, now has resulted
in my ethical obligation to press this issue on behalf of every single
person.
No one must be dinged -- period.
That's what "doing what's right" means to me.
Now someone else must address changing and enforcing the rules so that
our Digital culture truly encourages and supports employee creativity
to build a more successful Digital, and truly does not tolerate those
who would suppress and oppress employee creativity, involvement and
empowerment.
If you've been dinged for submitting an idea to Employee Involvement or
DELTA, I think you should call the people in charge of this program and
privately communicate what happened -- I believe they are concerned and
if this is a growing problem, they want to hear the details so action
can be considered:
For Employee Involvement, call Alan Zimmerle, DTN 251-1288
For DELTA, call Jim Pitts, DTN 223-5946
It is my perception that the Executive Committe and Ken Olsen are
sincere about employee creativity and empowerment. And I repeat, if
you have been dinged, you really need to call "your congressman" -- in
this case, Alan Zimmerle or Jim Pitts -- and if they get enough
examples, then there is basis for making rule changes and taking other
appropriate actions to ensure that every employee has the right,
without fear of being reprimanded, retaliated against, or being "career
limited or derailed" just for expressing an opinion and submitting an
idea to build a better and more successful company.
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1078.7 | | CGVAX2::CONNELL | | Thu Apr 12 1990 17:58 | 22 |
| I, too, work in an environment where ideas and empowerment from all
levels to all levels is an ongoing part of our dailey business. This
has been going on for 2 years now and shows no signs of letting up.
All people can be on and contribute to SGIA's All people at all levels
of our business are listened to with respect and given the time to be
shown how to make their idea not better, but polished into a
presentible format taking it from a thought in somebody's mind to a
serious presentation. If an idea is not feasible it is not immediately
scrapped. It is given serious consideration from all levels and perhaps
tinkered with until it is usable or all parties deem that it is
currently unworkable. The idea might become feasible at a different
time and so is put into a file and is look at and reviewed
periodically. THIS DOES HAPPEN.
I just wanted to make this statement that here in my facility we are
treated as humans and our program does work. It's called the Partner's
Program because that's what we all are PARTNERS. It does work.
Phil
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1078.8 | ALL employees should be treated like partners! | ODIXIE::CARNELL | DTN 385-2901 David Carnell @ALF | Fri Apr 13 1990 11:29 | 28 |
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REF: <<< Note 1078.7 CGVAX2::CONNELL >>>
Partner's Program
This is the way it should be at every facility and office, within every
group and function, for every employee.
And I submit, doing "it" as an ongoing practice and philosophy by all
managers should not be "voluntary" but rather mandatory.
And allowing even one exception, allowing one employee to get dinged by
management just for creating and voicing an idea of any kind, affecting
any part of Digital, that might help build a better and more successful
Digital, should not be tolerated one iota for it debases the philosophy
of Digital's ethics, valuing differences and respect for the potential
contribution of any employee: from president to engineer to field rep
to secretary to janitor.
Discipline must be enforced in the rules by which we work as a company
and talk alone will not suffice -- notice how all the good intentions
did nothing to stop tuna boat operators from killing dolphins in order
to get the results; however, now that the largest tuna canner will
refuse to buy the tuna from such "operators" will provide the
discipline to change the culture of the tuna boat operators.
Change the rules, enforce discipline, and the culture will change.
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1078.9 | "Dinged"?? | BSS::C_BOUTCHER | | Wed Apr 25 1990 07:07 | 10 |
| I'm not really sure what you mean in your note by the word "Dinged"?
Were folks fired for voicing their ideas, we they demoted or moved off
into a deadend position? WHAT?
I would really like to get some idea of what actions are being taken
against those that come up with new ideas. I, too, think that all
employees should be treated like partners. I also believe that it is
better to light one candle than curse the darkness.
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1078.10 | Don't forget, to some people ... | YUPPIE::COLE | Wish? Did somebody say "Wish"? | Wed Apr 25 1990 09:14 | 10 |
| ... "dinged" means being told "No, your suggestion is not being
implemented at this time"! That is the suggestor's problem. If 125,000
suggestions a month actually ever do start rolling in, that will be a LOT of
those types of "dings"!
However, there are cases of senior management reacting to a valuable
suggestion from field folks with "Well, why did you dummies let this situation
develop in the FIRST place? Get back and do your jobs right (ie, implement
the suggestion!) this time!" I heard this from someone in a management
training class this week. That form of management is pure stupidity!
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1078.11 | meaning of being "dinged" | ODIXIE::CARNELL | DTN 385-2901 David Carnell @ALF | Wed Apr 25 1990 09:59 | 13 |
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REF: meaning of the word "dinged"
Simply put, being "put down" and "unofficially" reprimanded or
chastised by management for having submitted an idea for consideration,
OR being intimidated into keeping silent with the potential threat of
the above and of course having one's career "limited" or even the
"possibility" of having one's job eliminated as suddenly "no longer
needed by Digital" or being demoted without real justification.
OR the actuality of the above, supported by local personnel.
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