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733.1 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Sat Feb 25 1989 19:24 | 14 |
| Never in my experience have I heard of people bringing pets
into work (cats, dogs, birds, etc. - I do know people who have
fish tanks on their desks). The thought of a pet at a meeting
is absurd, to me.
I believe that policies about pets are local to each facility -
I know that ZKO has a policy about children, but it is
universally ignored (it says you need a cost center manager's
permission).
Do you ask this out of academic curiosity, or have you actually
seen someone try to bring a pet into a meeting?
Steve
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733.2 | upon justification | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom, VAX & MIPS architecture | Sat Feb 25 1989 20:51 | 16 |
| I would have no objection to a guide dog, and in fact I have seen one
in the Mill years ago. It belonged to a customer.
There is a long-term Digital employee who would bring her German
shepherd, Senta, into the Mill after hours. Circa 1970. It was for
protection, and I believe it was justified. Everybody knew about it,
guards, management, etc., and I can't really believe the dog didn't
have at least tacit approval -- Larry Portner must have known about it
-- although I don't recall if explicit permission was given. The dog
was extremely well-behaved and would curl up under her desk.
The dog belonged to the same person who had her Massachusetts auto
inspection sticker stolen. The thief cut a hole in the windshield
around the sticker and departed with a piece of windshield, sticker
attached. That was in the lower Thompson St. lot. With that stuff
going on, a German shepherd after hours still seems like a good idea.
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733.3 | Yes, some animals are acceptable | KUDZU::BOUKNIGHT | W. Jack Bouknight | Sat Feb 25 1989 21:08 | 16 |
| Neither would I object to guide dogs. As far as I am concerned,
they don't fall in the class of pets, but are an able extension
of the associated employee or visitor, and are trained to behave properly
in any place that their owner would frequent. I would think that
a person needing use of a guide dog would have informed who ever
needed to know that they had one and this would suffice.
As to .1's question, no this is not an academic exercise. I am
involved in several of these episodes and am trying to understand,
findout what my responsibilities, options are.
I wonder if this falls into the same category as smoking, ie, by
unanimous consent of the meeting attendees (or whatever the correct
wording is).
Jack
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733.4 | Typically only after hours... | GUIDUK::BURKE | Meet my pet wolverine: FANG. | Sat Feb 25 1989 21:45 | 10 |
| Employees have also brought their pets into the Main Street facility
in Bellevue, WA after hours. I personally like animals, so it didn't
bother me to see a friendly dog wandering around the software area.
It would be interesting to know if there are any policies regard
pets in facilities. Either way though, I can't bring mine in...
*;'}
Doug
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733.5 | | ULTRA::HERBISON | B.J. | Mon Feb 27 1989 11:09 | 17 |
| Re: .3
> I wonder if this falls into the same category as smoking, ie, by
> unanimous consent of the meeting attendees (or whatever the correct
> wording is).
In the U.S., the correct wording is `no smoking in conference
rooms (or anywhere else in a Digital building except Designated
Smoking Areas)'.
`Smoking by unanimous consent' has several problems, which have
been discussed in another conference (NEWS::NO_SMOKING). Many
of the same problems would apply to bringing pets into meetings.
For example, problems arise if someone who objects to the
presence of the pet arrives late for the meeting.
B.J.
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733.6 | I've done it... | SUPER::HENDRICKS | The only way out is through | Mon Feb 27 1989 12:39 | 21 |
| I checked with security one weekend when I was dogsitting over
Thanksgiving and had an emergency come up. According to them dogs
are absolutely not allowed, forget it, no way.
I was in the middle of moving last fall, and had a rather young
kitten who spent 3 work days in my car in between homes. One afternoon,
all our managers were out at a seminar. It was a cold, rainy day,
and I had on a beige jacket that was very similar in color to the
kitten...I just couldn't resist. You couldn't see the kitten at
all, and I walked right past security with him on my shoulder.
Everyone came by to see him in my cube that afternoon -- it was
quite fun. I 'got caught' when I went to the bathroom and the kitten
freaked out and set up a roar. One of the security officers was
walking down the hall at the time. I got a dirty look and a few
remarks about "inappropriate" behavior for a DEC employee. I took
the cat out to the car...
I wouldn't do it again, but it really was quite a bit of fun.
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733.7 | Not A Great Idea | EAGLE1::BRUNNER | VAX & MIPS Architecture | Mon Feb 27 1989 13:22 | 9 |
| I think bringing animals into work is a bad idea unless:
o the animal clearly provides a necessary service to its owner
while at work -- guide dog or security at night; and
o the animal can be left unattended for periods of time and not cause
a disruption.
I guess I see a difference between children and animals.
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733.8 | It may be a local option | DR::BLINN | Eschew obfuscation | Mon Feb 27 1989 14:23 | 19 |
| I don't see a big difference between children and animals as
regards the justification for bringing them into the workplace; if
a child were providing a necessary service (although we don't have
seeing-eye or hearing-ear children), that would be justification,
but in other cases, in my opinion, it's usually not justified.
The question of whether the animal or child can be left unattended
for periods of time without causing a disruption is irrelevant.
I've never seen an explicit policy on this. It's definitely not
covered in the Corporate Personnel Policies and Procedures (the
"orange book"). It might be covered in a U.S. or Corporate
Security policy, and I'm sure they are written down, but they're
not available on-line anywhere that I'm aware of. I called the
Corporate Security Operations number (in MSO), and the person to
whom I spoke said he was unaware of any corporate policy, so it's
probably at the discretion of the facility security manager.
Tom
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733.9 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon Feb 27 1989 15:50 | 8 |
| There is an explicit Spitbrook policy which says no dogs.
The policy was issued by Heff, formerly site manager. I doubt it has been
rescinded. It has its origin back in Tewksbury, when someone had brought a
dog in which lost control of its bodily functions, leaving something for Heff
to step in.
I saw him shortly after it happened; he was fuming!
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733.10 | | TOLKIN::KIRK | Matt Kirk, 291-8891 | Mon Feb 27 1989 17:04 | 9 |
| re .6
I am EXTREMELY allergic to cats and would have been a bit peeved
to find that you brought one into a cubicle near me. If you were moving
and couldn't find anywhere else to leave the cat, maybe you should
have considered leaving the cat with a vet.
(Since some people are allergic to plants, or to molds growing in
soil, should we consider banning plants?)
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733.11 | exceptions | RUTLND::MCCORD | who cares | Mon Feb 27 1989 21:39 | 21 |
| RE .10
A little compassion never hurted anybody. The person (author of
.06) felt sorry for the kitten, and brought the kitten into the
building. True, the kitten never should have been left in the
car and yes it should have been put in a cage or box when it was
in the building.
If I brought in a kitten, and the person in the next cube was
allergic to the kitten, I would gladly move it to another area
of the building. I also hope that person would handle the situation
in a calmly manner.
Pets have no business being at the work place, but thier are exceptions
to every rule. I think .6 had a good reason. That kitten was no
threat to anybody.
Believe it or not, that kitten felt that cold weather, and probarly
wish somebody would show some "compassion" for it.
-John
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733.12 | bad, bad kitty | CLOSET::KEEFE | | Tue Feb 28 1989 10:55 | 3 |
| Good thing the kitten wasn't smoking a cigar.
Mind-boggling allergic ramifications! Call security!
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733.13 | Why don't we reserve the office for adult humans | DLOACT::RESENDEP | nevertoolatetohaveahappychildhood | Tue Feb 28 1989 10:58 | 18 |
| At the risk of getting flamed out of the conference, I'd like to say I
don't think the office is an appropriate place for either animals or
children. However, if I had to pick the one that seems to cause the most
disruption, it would certainly be children.
I have only known of two or three instances where an animal was brought
into the office. In every case it was {caged/a baby something/completely
quiet and subdued}. In one case it was a seeing-eye dog; in other
instances people have brought pets into the office for short periods for
one reason or another. I've never seen one cause much of a disruption.
Babies, on the other hand, seem to completely disrupt the workplace, so
that even if you're trying to get some work done, it's impossible due to
the traffic and the noise caused by admiring adults and by the baby itself.
Just my humble opinion...
Pat
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733.14 | What about the homeless? | TOLKIN::KIRK | Matt Kirk, 291-8891 | Tue Feb 28 1989 11:45 | 11 |
|
re .11
A little compassion never hurt anyone, but work is not the
place to bring the kitten (or, as .13 suggests, children).
This "exception" could be extended a bit - there's a drunk who sleeps
out on the vent in front of our building (there isn't really, but
lets assume there is). Should we bring him into the building and
let him sleep in the lobby, or should we contact a homeless shelter
(assuming, of course, that he wants shelter to begin with)?
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733.15 | exceptions can be controlled | RUTLND::MCCORD | who cares | Tue Feb 28 1989 12:25 | 23 |
| re. 14 (Matt)
I believe there is a difference between a homeless person, or drunk
and a pet. The person is trespassing and should be removed from
the private (dec) property by the local police.
I'm not saying Fluffy can come to work everyday, but to leave
a kitten in poor weather is cruel. The kitten is not a pit bull.
It was no threat to "anybody" as long as it was controlled.
"Exceptions can be controlled". If an employee brought the cat
in, because the house was being painted, that would not be an exception.
A little common sense comes into the picture here.
My previous note (.11) stated the kitten never should have been
left in that car, but his/her intentions were good to bring it
in to the building. How would you like to be in a car for three
days, in miserable weather?
Anyway, this company has much bigger problems to worry about then
worrying if Morris is the building.
-John
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733.16 | Babies are important on the job too! | NEWVAX::PAVLICEK | Zot, the Ethical Hacker | Tue Feb 28 1989 12:25 | 25 |
| re: .13
How many minutes per week are lost to the presence of babies in
your facility? We see babies here occasionally, but their impact
on time is negligible.
Personally, I *want* to see babies visit here. Two people in our
unit recently had babies. We had to live with them being pregnant
on the job for nine months, but we aren't allowed to see the product
of nine months of hard work? Come on... Will we have rules saying
that a woman cannot be pregnant on company time? I've seen more
time lost due to morning sickness and associated pregnancy issues
than I've seen due to occasional baby visits!
I am very scared about the strict separation of business and personal
life. I am working at business _because_ of my personal life.
I once worked at a company which believed that it was more important
than my personal life (Ever have a manager inform you that you
will be working 7 days a week for a period of 3 months? -- with
no added compensation, of course). I work there no longer.
I cringe at the thought that "valuing differences" means that
occasional visits of a child are forbidden.
-- Russ
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733.17 | Let's move the babies discussion where it should be | NEWVAX::PAVLICEK | Zot, the Ethical Hacker | Tue Feb 28 1989 12:34 | 5 |
| I suggest that additional conversation regarding human children
be followed up in the "Children in the Workplace" note rather than
here.
-- Russ
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733.18 | the answer is -- 42 | ANALYZ::KIRICHOK | in through the out door | Tue Feb 28 1989 12:36 | 4 |
| O.k.
What purpose do fish have? Unless you have a tank full of Babel Fish.
Don't Panic!
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733.19 | so, IS THERE or ISNT THERE a corporate policy? | REGENT::LEVINE | | Tue Feb 28 1989 13:02 | 16 |
|
I would like to pull us out of the "babies" rathole, and back into
the "pets" rathole.
I posed the question to my facilities manager, and got this as a reply:
"I followed up on your inquiry about bring your dog in with you on weekend.
Unfortunately, there is a corporate policy in place that states that only
animals training in the aid of hearing imparment or sight imparement are
allowed on Digital sites. Sorry that we could not accomodate you."
SO apparently it is NOT up to individual facilities, it is forbidden
on a corporate level.
Can anybody either back this statement up or refute it?
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733.20 | exceptions can be controlled, sometimes | TOLKIN::KIRK | Matt Kirk, 291-8891 | Tue Feb 28 1989 13:41 | 14 |
| re .15
If my house is being painted, I stay at a friend's house or in a
hotel (seriously, I do - the fumes make me sick). The same can
apply to a kitten. The kitten should not have been left in a car
(we all agree on that), but neither should it have been brought
into work. It should have been put up at a friend's house or a
"hotel" instead.
This is a simple health matter. I am allergic to the danders the
kitten gives off. If the kitten were left in a cage in an office
next to, or near mine, the spread of danders would be reduced but
still not eliminated, and eventually the concentration would become
enough for me to have a reaction.
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733.21 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Tue Feb 28 1989 14:44 | 3 |
| Bah! It was raining. Thus it was not below freezing. The cat was perfectly
fine in the car -- probably happier in the car amongst its owners' family smells
than in a strange cage in a boarding kennel.
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733.22 | A corporate policy? At Digital? | DR::BLINN | Bluegrass: music aged to perfection | Tue Feb 28 1989 14:46 | 27 |
| RE: < Note 733.19 by REGENT::LEVINE >
> I posed the question to my facilities manager, and got this as a reply:
>
>"I followed up on your inquiry about bring your dog in with you on weekend.
>Unfortunately, there is a corporate policy in place that states that only
>animals training in the aid of hearing imparment or sight imparement are
>allowed on Digital sites. Sorry that we could not accomodate you."
>
> SO apparently it is NOT up to individual facilities, it is forbidden
> on a corporate level.
>
> Can anybody either back this statement up or refute it?
Well, Corporate Security doesn't seem to be aware of the policy,
so it's probably not universally enforced. It seems to me that it
would be reasonable to ask your facilities manager for a copy of
the policy, or for the name of the person who told him there was
such a policy, rather than asking in this conference.
I asked our Plant Engineer's office, and they didn't know of such
a policy, but referred me to the regional manager's office (for
southern New Hampshire). His assistant has promised me that she
will get me the policy, assuming there is one. I'll report back
when I hear from her.
Tom
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733.23 | It increases DEC's liability... | CANYON::ADKINS | Insert Relevant Phrase Here | Tue Feb 28 1989 14:46 | 15 |
| It's my opinion that pets (as opposed to seeing-eye dogs) have *no*
place in the workplace.
I was mauled by a dog when I was about 8 and I still have a phobia
about dogs. If I were be bopping down the hall of my facility late
at night and round a corner to come face to face with some pooch
the body would go into instant over-load. Dogs can sense fear
and could likely attack. (Especially if you just rounded the corner
near their owner and is startled and may assume you're attacking.)
If I were ever in this situation, my first call would probably be
to my lawyer, with the owner and DEC in mind.
Jim
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733.24 | The rights of non-animals take precedence... | BUBBLY::LEIGH | Bear with me. | Tue Feb 28 1989 14:56 | 10 |
| re: notes about cats and dander allergies
This reminds me of the old smoking policy. Hmm.
Should we propose, as a new policy, that all facilities have designated
animal areas?
There's a straight line if there ever was one. Lighten up, folks!
Bob Leigh
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733.25 | unvarnished truth... | SUPER::HENDRICKS | The only way out is through | Tue Feb 28 1989 15:03 | 18 |
| As the owner of the kitten in question, let me add that the other 2 1/2
days had been warm and comfortably sunny, and I engaged in this
particular prank on a cold rainy afternoon in October. It was neither
a life-threatening nor animal-abuse situation - he had a down quilt, a
litterbox, and plenty of food and water as well as visits from me every
2 hours.
I would never put myself in a position where I *had* to take an
animal to work, and I also happened to know that everyone within
shouting distance were pet owners themselves. If anyone had expressed
the slightest feelings of discontent, believe me, I would have taken
him out to the car, or taken vacation the rest of the day to take
care of him.
It was a prank, and as it happened, my co-workers got a kick out
of it. My apologies if hearing about it offended anyone.
Holly
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733.26 | We don't need no steenking corporate policy | DR::BLINN | Bluegrass: music aged to perfection | Tue Feb 28 1989 15:25 | 8 |
| I got a call back from southern New Hampshire regional facilities,
and they are unaware of any corporate policy. They believe that
there is an SNH policy, and that it's driven by health
considerations. The person who's responsible for health policies
is, apparently, out on sick leave (broken appendage), so they
couldn't pin it down for me. More later as the story unfolds...
Tom
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733.27 | oh give me a home... | WR2FOR::BOUCHARD_KE | Ken Bouchard WRO3-2/T7 | Tue Feb 28 1989 16:46 | 9 |
| re:-1 I won't ask *which* appendage.
To the owner of that kitten: So it lived in your car for three
days...must have really smelled sweet,to say nothing of all that
cat hair.
One thing someone briefly touched on...LIABILITY. Who's responsible
if that cat or dog causes physical damage? (or even bodily harm)
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733.28 | not to worry... | SUPER::HENDRICKS | The only way out is through | Tue Feb 28 1989 17:27 | 17 |
| The kitten and I were staying with a friend at night, but it was
not possible to leave the kitten there during the day.
Since you asked, cat litter doesn't get particularly disgusting
in 3 days, especially when you start with a layer of baking soda,
and scoop the stuff out daily and put it in a garbage bag in the trunk.
And how much cat hair do you think an 8 week old shorthair generates!
As someone who has had cats for years, I decided that it would be
better for him to spend 3 days in the car, seeing me during my lunch
hours and 2 other times per day, than to be alone all day at that
age, or boarded. It worked out fine, and he's a healthy, happy,
playful, adolescent orange tabby at this point.
Holly
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733.29 | Allergic to cats... no doubt about it | HSSWS1::GREG | The Texas Chainsaw | Tue Feb 28 1989 18:51 | 23 |
|
I'm deathly allergic to cats. If one it within 50 feet
of me for any length of time I become totally unproductive.
My eyes swell, my sinuses close up, and I itch wherever
I come into contact with cat hair. It takes between 10 and
90 minutes for these symptoms to develop. I'm told it's
some enzyme in their saliva that affects me.
If a cat ever enters the workplace, you can be sure I will
be forced to exit. Once the symptoms start to develop, it
takes me in excess of two hours to 'clear up', after leaving
the 'infested zone', and even longer for that zone to become
cleared of the offensive enzyme.
I am told that this allergy is fairly common, at varying
degrees. Obviously, I'm in the highly allergic category.
Still, I'd rather see a cat in the office than to hear it had
frozen to death in the car. However, if it was just brought in
as a gag, I'm afraid I'd take a very dim view of it. No gag is
worth that amount of suffering.
- Greg
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733.30 | | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom, VAX & MIPS architecture | Tue Feb 28 1989 19:05 | 3 |
| Re: .29
Sounds like the same symptoms as cigarette smoke for many people.
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733.31 | how about rabid, man-eating dogs? | CLOSET::KEEFE | | Wed Mar 01 1989 08:56 | 14 |
| This company needs more babies, and fewer crybabies.
I am deathly allergic to the sun, carpetting, flourescent lighting,
smoke, modular partitions, yellow paint, linoleum, black hair and
screen cleaner. Every day at work is sheer agony. But do I whine
and complain at every opportunity? No sir!
I am bothered however by the pack of wild man-eating dogs that prowls
the halls of ZK on the weekends and late at night. There must be 30 of
them. If only someone would read them the policy, I'm sure they'd clear
out of here in a minute. Till then though, don't go wandering around
ZK3 at night without your running shoes.
They get in through an entrance near the fitness center, I think.
|
733.32 | Definitely not a good idea | TOPDOC::AHERN | Dennis the Menace | Wed Mar 01 1989 09:40 | 16 |
| The only time I ever took pets with me on the job, they had a decidedly
negative effect on the environment. My wife and I were caretakers
for a 64 acre, undeveloped island on the coast of Maine and we brought
our two siamese cats with us to live in a 2-man tent.
They were quite vocal in their reluctance to accompany us in the
canoe on our daily circuit, especially if it was raining, but mostly
because the aluminum was very cold on their paw pads and the white
water going through the tide race was sometimes a bit much.
So we generally left them to their own devices and, despite having
been brought up as indoor cats, they quickly learned how to hunt,
much to the detriment of the local rodent population. If it were
known, this would have not put us in good stead with the conservation
minded owners of the property.
|
733.33 | Re .31 | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed Mar 01 1989 10:24 | 37 |
| > This company needs more babies, and fewer crybabies.
This would be more appropriate in TERZA::PARENTING.
> I am deathly allergic to the sun, carpetting, flourescent lighting,
> smoke, modular partitions, yellow paint, linoleum, black hair and
> screen cleaner.
Try WASHDC::ENVIRONMENTAL_ISSUES, JOET::HOME_WORK, HANNAH::TERMINALS.
Does anyone know of a conference that discusses black hair?
(Perhaps OPG::RICHARD_THE_THIRD -- did he have black hair?)
> Every day at work is sheer agony. But do I whine
> and complain at every opportunity? No sir!
Please take it to CLOVAX::MOANS.
> I am bothered however by the pack of wild man-eating dogs that prowls
> the halls of ZK on the weekends and late at night.
This may be discussed in CANINE::CANINE, or, if they're chihuahuas.
IOALOT::SMALL_ANIMALS.
> If only someone would read them the policy, I'm sure they'd clear
> out of here in a minute.
Have you tried UCOUNT::ZKO_SUGGESTION_BOX?
> Till then though, don't go wandering around
> ZK3 at night without your running shoes.
Specific brand recommendations are in NAC::RUNNING_CLUB.
> They get in through an entrance near the fitness center, I think.
See UCOUNT::ZKO_WELLNESS_PROGRAM.
|
733.35 | Ignorance of the law is no excuse? | WMOIS::D_MONTGOMERY | Yaz die-hard without equal | Wed Mar 01 1989 11:31 | 12 |
| re .34 (and others)
Lack of a corporate policy certainly doesn't imply that the behavior
in question is acceptable.
For instance, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a corporate
policy stating that murder is not allowed on Digital property.
My point is that lack of a policy specifically stating that animals
are not allowed does not mean that animals are allowed.
-Monty-
|
733.36 | ENOUGH | BUSY::KLEINBERGER | Disic Vita Lux Hominum | Wed Mar 01 1989 12:32 | 20 |
| I am setting this note no/write.
This is twice in one week I have had to set a note no/write. I am
not the notes police, but I am a moderator, albeit one of eight
of this conference. "WE" as moderators have asked that you follow
the guidelines of talking about things that happen at DEC, about
DEC, and ramifications of annoucements, etc.
This topic when it started was indeed a good topic, as it can happen
that pets can on occasion be brought into DEC, but again, this
topic has degenerated into a PEAR::SOAPBOX....
TAKE IT THERE!
If you feel you have a GOOD reason to have thistopic re-opened
send me mail - after hours I will read it and possibly reconsider.
Gale Kleinberger
co-mod
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733.37 | Let's try to get back to the topic.. | DR::BLINN | I'm pink, therefore I'm Spam | Thu Mar 02 1989 12:59 | 50 |
| Gale received some feedback by MAIL, which she has shared with
her co-moderators.
One person commented that PEAR::SOAPBOX isn't really as bad as we
sometimes seem to imply. Please don't think that we are maligning
the honorable SOAPBOX when we recommend that discussions be moved
there -- rather, we are acknowledging that the sponsors of that
conference have given it a somewhat broader charter, which allows
discussion of almost any topic, including things that have little
or nothing to do with working at Digital.
Someone else suggested that we are patterning our moderation after
the EURO_FORUM conference. I got the impression that this was not
intended as a compliment. I don't really know -- I don't follow
that conference.
One person made the very reasonable suggestion that we re-post the
text of the TOPIC NOTE (733.0), and remind people that this is a
topic about whether or not there is a policy on the matter of
animals in the workplace. This topic has strayed down a variety
of "ratholes", and little real light has been shed on the original
question. Some of the digressions really have little to do with
either the original issue, or with "The way we work at Digital",
other than to demonstrate, once again, that it's often easier to
ask forgiveness than to get permission. The guiding principle
is, of course, to "do the right thing", but it's often difficult
to get an answer to the question "right for whom?".
In the hope that we can get back to the original matter (about
which no real resolution has occurred -- no one has been able to
produce a copy of the policy, if there is one), I'm going to open
this topic up again. However, don't be surprised if notes that
have nothing much to do with "The way we work at Digital" or the
question of whether or not there is, in fact, a policy about
animals in the workplace get returned by one or another of the
moderators.
Please re-read the topic note. If you have something useful to
add that relates to the topic note, please contribute. If you want
to discuss something unrelated to the topic note, but related to
"The way we work at Digital", please start a new topic. If you
want to discuss something that's unrelated to "The way we work at
Digital", please do it in an appropriate forum, but not here. If
you want to flame the moderators for our policy or style, please
use MAIL.
Thanks!
Tom
co-moderator
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733.38 | ELBA had a badge ... But is it right? | KBOMFG::POST | Veni Vedi Vinci | Thu Mar 02 1989 15:15 | 37 |
| I worked in one facility for three years. A staff secretary owned a big
retriever (dog). The secretary was single and obtained permission to
bring her dog to work every day.
The dog was real nice and well trained. She curled up underneath her
desk and slept the day away.
The marketing department was then moved to another facility. The dog
moved with us. Everybody knew the dog (called ELBA) and everybody liked
the secretary. There was never really a problem with having the dog in
the office.
There were some individuals who did not care for ELBA's presence but
never really said anything. Aftrall, ELBA was a tradition. She had
been around for as long as anyone could remember. ELBA even had an
official DEC badge with her picture on it! But ELBA was just a pet.
In the new office, ELBA quickly learned which employees had doggie
biscuits in their drawers. And everyday at around 09:30 ELBA would
do her rounds and SIT in front of your desk and look at you with
real sad eyes.
I was transferred internationally and we do not have any pets in our
office now. Our facility is however GUARDED by police dogs and
the security guards to walk around with their dogs.
To make a long story short, I personally believe that the workplace
IS not a place for PETS (even though I liked ELBA and had my own
doggie biscuits for her). The workplace is for working.
There really is no reasonpet should have to come to work. The
owner can put the pet up in a kennel, give it to a friend or relative
or find another viable solution.
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733.39 | No cats, no kids -- Bring on the clowns! | WECARE::BAILEY | Corporate Sleuth | Fri Mar 03 1989 09:52 | 63 |
| There is an article in the new Psychology Today pertaining to the
fact that productivity and morale are improved if there is a little
fun on the job. I agree, and I implement the concept for myself
whenever I can by making jokes, dressing for holidays (green socks
for St. Patrick's day or something), trying to poke into notes when
I can, and generally doing what I can to make my corner interesting
and relaxed WITHOUT negatively impacting on other people. I work
with one person allergic to cats and another allergic to pollen.
I ASK the second before I bring in any flowering plants or bouquets,
and he understands that if he detects the smallest sign of a reaction
the flowers get moved or given away. Period. (He's usually ok
with florist products, especially if they aren't right under his
nose.) I wouldn't even consider an animal.
It seems to me that the consideration is whether bringing in ANYTHING
unusual to the work environment enhances that environment or detracts
from it. (We are here to WORK, after all, although some people
forget that.) I think flowers (for the non-allergic) tend to uplift
spirits and they are basically passive, although they are NOT
acceptable if someone reacts to them -- people come first. (I never
heard of mold and other plant allergies impacted by occasional potted
plants, but if they caused someone to react they should go.)
I don't think kids or pets (except for the fish, which fall into
a category of passiveness and impact similar to plants!) belong
in the kind of work environment we have at DEC. They are distracting,
they get bored, there's no regular accomodation for them, they can't
really be comfortable all day, they sometimes make really aggrivating
noise (especially babies, but that's another topic!) They are (for
some people) a brief amusement, but they're not the best way to
bring amusement into the workplace. When DEC gets site daycare
facilities I think kids might be more appropriate, as long as they
stay in the daycare centers except maybe at lunchtime. If the daycare
centers have appropriate space and facilities, maybe occasional
puppies or kittens would be ok there, too, to amuse the kids and
to be visited by their owners -- assuming those in charge think
that's all fine. (I don't know anything's coming, by the way --
I just forsee site daycare as an inevitablility of the changing
demographics of the workforce.)
My workplace is right next to the site DCU. Parents always bring
urchins along when they drop in for cash or whatever, so we are
overdosed with short visits from screaming babies and annoying small
toddlers -- I hate it, but what can you do? I haven't seen any
animals in the building here, but I wouldn't like to. Bring posters,
baloons for an occasion, birthday cakes, whatever -- but leave the
animate at home where they belong.
(PS -- the kitten discussed earlier had a "nest" in the car -- as
long as the certainty of no allergies was pre-determined, I don't
have a big problem with a prank visit if it was SHORT (then back
to the car). I know of a lot of outdoor cats who fend for themselves
in the winter, so the car on a rainy day is not really a hardship
on a small animal. I don't think it's a good idea to bring one
in for more than a half hour or so. BUT you can never be sure that
an allergic employee might not be visiting the cube next door for important
business reasons -- and is it fair to impose a health hardship [that
is very common] on co-workers for the sake of your own amusement?
I don't think of that as "doing the right thing".)
Just my view.
Sherry
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