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611.1 | Implied vs realistic reasoning... | GUIDUK::BURKE | NEVER confuse Sales with Delivery! | Thu Sep 08 1988 03:52 | 11 |
| Wouldn't it be interesting if DECs cost cutting measures actually
backfired with regard to how the industry views it?
Could they perhaps get the wrong idea, such as to think that DEC
is really in trouble. Thus we are penny pinching wherever we can
to get well again.
If this were perceived incorrectly, it could send our stock down
even further.
Doug
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611.2 | | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom, 293-5358, VAX Architecture | Thu Sep 08 1988 17:15 | 10 |
| We have been through cost-cutting cycles before. Wall Steet analysts
have recognized that we got our costs under control. The stock price
has gone up.
And it will happen again.
The present stock price is about half of its all-time high. That's
happened before, too. Several times.
And it will happen again.
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611.3 | My own nails and wood... | PH4VAX::MCBRIDE | the syntax is 6% in this state | Thu Sep 08 1988 22:26 | 29 |
| Are we so different from other major companies? In the trenches,
where I work and where all of the customer people I deal with work,
we see that cost control is causing problems. ( I can't believe
I am actually going to defend this) I would like to believe that
the economic conditions that cause us to tighten our belts are causing
executives of our customer corporations to do likewise. I believe
that at the top they understand and expect it.
I started in '76. I was a F.S. guy who worked a lot at DuPont in
their home office. During the 10 years that I worked there there
wer "market slowdowns" and "soft business conditions" and lots of
other things that didn't directly affect me. I did notice that
a recession meant that I stopped installing equipment and started
reconfiguring equipment. DuPont was using "operating capital" to
make their purchases instead of "capital equipment" purchases.
I also noticed a pattern in the way they recovered. In the depth
of the recession they had a lot of work for me in their R&D
department. Next they send their projects to engineering, so that
the newly developed products could have a place to be produced.
Then, if the market actually improved, they would build their new
process. When it went on-line they sank a little money into marketing,
sales and delivery.
Are we so much different? The market took a huge hit last year.
It didn't hurt us as much as it did our smallest customers. And
it put our large customer's capital programs on hold. Our business
is likely to be a little slow for a while. My crystal ball says
another year and a half.
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611.4 | $.02 | BINKLY::WINSTON | Jeff Winston (Hudson, MA) | Thu Sep 08 1988 23:25 | 5 |
| The thing that feels different to me this time is that there seems to
more focus on "managing for wall street", or "managing to optimize
external perceptions", even some "managing for the short-term". Any
company that takes their eye too far off the long-term in order to
quick-fix short-term external perceptions has cause for worry.
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611.5 | nothing new | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom, 293-5358, VAX Architecture | Thu Sep 08 1988 23:49 | 25 |
| A story from 1968:
I was working for Field Service. I was in charge of doing the in-house
acceptance tests on PDP-6 computers. The PDP-6 was not one of Digital's
more reliable machines, no matter how technically innovative it was.
They had problems, and I was supposed to find them and get them fixed
before Field Service had to fix them in the field.
On one occasion, a PDP-6 had a reliability problem: it simply wouldn't
stay up the required 12 hours to run its acceptance test. The month was
September. I refused to sign the acceptance test papers and told Jack
Shields why. He took it to Win Hindle. (Do these names sound familiar?)
Win decided to ship it anyway and fix it in the field. Why? So the ship
value of the system could be included in the year's sales total and
look good for the stock analysts. That's not a guess on my part. I was
told that explicitly by Jack Shields.
That was neither the first nor the last time. Manufacturing in
Westminster had a painted line on the floor in shipping. Anything
pushed over that line before the end of the quarter was included in
that quarter's financial results. It was a mad house near the end of a
quarter, and particularly near the end of the fiscal year.
I'm not saying this is good. I am saying it is not the result of the
"New Digital".
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611.6 | Long term planning = 3 months | MERIDN::BIAZZO | Can tune a VAX but can't tuna fish | Fri Sep 09 1988 02:39 | 16 |
| re .4
I've been in the field for almost five years now. There doesn't
seem to be a notion of what long range planning is. The scope of
short term planning is month to month. Long range planning is quarter
to quarter.
One of my deepest concerns with DEC is a seemingly too quick attitude
to cut the losses. What I mean is that there are investments made
(such as hiring zillions of sales support people just 1 yr ago) only
to reassign them to consulting positions now. It took most of these
folks 6 - 9 months to come up to speed. 3 months of effective output
and whammo... reassign. How can we tell if an investment has paid
off if it's not allowed a reasonable time frame for fruition?
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611.7 | I've seen it more here than anywhere else | XCUSME::KING | Heavens to Mergatroid | Fri Sep 09 1988 06:34 | 11 |
| RE: .6
That scenario wastes even more money than is thought to be saved.
But it happens all the time and in lots of major corporations.
Some people just don't have very good long-range vision. That's
a problem that has plagued corporate America for years. A quick
fix to a bigger problem that only perpetuates into a bigger problem
later on.
Bryan
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611.8 | One-shot investments don't pay off forever | AUSTIN::UNLAND | Sic Biscuitus Disintegratum | Fri Sep 09 1988 11:18 | 34 |
| re: .5
> One of my deepest concerns with DEC is a seemingly too quick attitude
> to cut the losses. What I mean is that there are investments made
> (such as hiring zillions of sales support people just 1 yr ago) only
> to reassign them to consulting positions now. It took most of these
> folks 6 - 9 months to come up to speed. 3 months of effective output
> and whammo... reassign. How can we tell if an investment has paid
> off if it's not allowed a reasonable time frame for fruition?
Gee, in our Area, most of the Sales Support people hired last year
and the year before have either gone to work for Engineering, or
have quit. All this "investment" in salaries and training, just
so that SUN, Oracle, Stellar, HP, and others could have a top-notch
sales support staff! Not only that, but a large number of original
sales support people have also left, disgruntled with the way that
management has been hiring in new people at higher levels of titles
and salaries, and with the sinking job conditions in the Field.
Again, we see the short-term mindset at work here. Management dumped
some money into staffing up the Field in the last two years, without
considering that it was an ongoing investment, not just a one-time
deal. Now they are saying, "we spent all this money two years ago,
where's our return?" Well, the return was a fantastic marketing
boost, much better customer satisfaction ratings, and a continued
high-growth rate even during the stock market crash. As far as
I can see, the investment paid off handsomely.
Wall Street may be bashing us, but most of the customers I deal
with are far happier with Digital than they were two years ago.
If we forget the customer in favor of Wall Street, then we just
put a tourniquet around our necks to stop a nosebleed.
Geoff
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611.9 | See LIVE WIRE | BARTLE::SELTZER | Richard Seltzer | Fri Sep 09 1988 11:28 | 1 |
| See LIVE WIRE. An item entered today deals with this issue.
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611.10 | See 598.33 | DR::BLINN | Opus for VEEP in '88 | Fri Sep 09 1988 11:29 | 1 |
| Posted as note 598.33 in this conference.
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