Conference 7.286::digital

From:	SUBWAY::SUBWAY::MRGATE::"PCGOLD::HOCUS::A1::RIZZOLO.JIM" 21-JUN-1988 16:22:06.68
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Subj:	correction to decwindows notes file

From:	NAME: JIM RIZZOLO @NYO              
	FUNC: NYFD Software Services  
	TEL: (212)856-2640        <RIZZOLO.JIM AT A1 at HOCUS at PCO>

To:	See Below





From:	NAME: JUDY MACHACEK @NYO            
	FUNC: AREA MARKETING          
	TEL: 352-2853             <MACHACEK.JUDY AT A1 at HOCUS at PCO>
Date:	21-Jun-1988
Posted-date: 21-Jun-1988
Precedence: 1
Subject: CORRECTION TO DECWINDOWS NOTES FILE

To:	See Below

AMELIA, FOR DISTRIBUTION TO PRE-SALES MANAGERS AND REPS.  THANKS

Distribution List:

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JANET BECKER @NYO,
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NAME: TODD BOESCHEN @AWO <BOESCHEN.TODD AT A1 at HOCUS at PCO>,
MIKE BORKAN @AWO,
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CHARLES CARUSO @KYO,
ANTHONY CASAS @NYO,
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GENE CHAMP @LAO,
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DENISE DITRANI @NYO,
MARK DRESNER @NYO,
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TOM FISHER @MLO,
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NICK GANIO @NYO,
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AL GOLDSWORTHY @WAO,
JOE GONCALVES @NYO,
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VICTOR KHABO @NYO,
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STEVE KOENIG @WAO,
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ANDREA PETERSON @NYO,
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AMELIA MANZO @NYO



From:	NAME: DURZO                         
	FUNC: FINANCIAL SERVICES GRP
	TEL: 291-0281 <166313@DECMAIL@USMRW2@MRO>
Date:	13-Jun-1988
Posted-date: 13-Jun-1988
Precedence: 1
Subject: correction to decwindows notes file

To:	See Below



Distribution List:

PETER WOLFE @NYO,
PETER WINNER @OHF,
JIM WALKER @NYO,
RICHARD SPIESMAN @LAO,
TERRY RIDDLE @NYO,
BENNY NISSAN @NYO,
JUDY MACHACEK @NYO,
JEANNE KLIMA @WRO,
JOHN INGLIS @UFO,
TOM HUBNER @ACI,
PETER ELLIS @NYO



From:	NAME: JDURZO                         <JDURZO@DECMAIL@USMRW2@MRO>
Date:	13-Jun-1988
Posted-date: 13-Jun-1988
Precedence: 1
Subject: correction to decwindows notes file

To:	JUDY DURZO @MRO


From:	USMRM3::SSGBPM::ULTRIX "Dianna Ellis Ultrix Liaison Program  10-Jun-1988 1536" 10-JUN-1988 17:07
To:	@DIS:LIAISON.DIS @DIS:PARTNER.DIS
Subj:	CORRECTION TO DECWINDOWS NOTES FILE


                U L T R I X   L I A I S O N   P R O G R A M


                             N E W S   F L A S H


CORRECTION TO ULTRIX DECWINDOWS NOTES FILE
__________________________________________

A typo was mailed in the June ULTRIX Electronic Update regarding a
notes file for DECwindows.  To view the notes file on "Discussion of
User Interface Language and the DECwindows Resource Manager use the
following:

                CLT::UIL-DRM  Not CLT::UIL_DRM


Distribution List:

NANCY ANDERSON @AWO,
WARREN ARCHER @NYO,
VINCENT BERG @AWO,
STEVE BEY @NYO,
KOFI BOATEN @AWO,
DIANE BONNELL @AWO,
ROBERT BONOMO @AWO,
ANDREW BONOMO @NYO,
ANDREW BREIT @AWO,
EDWARD BRIGGS @NYO,
BILL BRUCELLA @AWO,
RALPH BRUNO @AWO,
FRAN BUZZETTA @AWO,
SAL CANZONERI @AWO,
CLARISSA CARREON @AWO,
TEDDY CHAMPAGNE @NYO,
JOHN CHUBA @NYO,
ELEANOR CLARKE @AWO,
JOSE COLON @NYO,
ANA CUBI @AWO,
HEIDI DECOO @AWO,
STEVE DEFRANCESCO @NYO,
ROSA DELGIUDICE @NYO,
ANGELO DERISE @NYO,
HOWARD DRESNER @AWO,
KERREN DUZICH @NYO,
PETER ELLIS @NYO,
WANDA EVERETT-CHANCE @NYO,
ALAN FARMER @AWO,
DEBRA FERRIGNO @AWO,
EDMUND FLADUNG @NYO,
JOHN FRAYNE @NYO,
KENJI FURUYAMA @NYO,
BOB GALLO @NYO,
BOB GARRON @NYO,
SERVULO GONSALVES @AWO,
ELAINE GOURICK @NYO,
_IRT::GOVEIA AT A1 at HOCUS at PCO,
CASSANDRA GRAHAM @NYO,
CHRIS GRAHAM @NYO,
COLLEEN GREENE @NYO,
LUIS GUERRERO @NYO,
YANNY HECHT @NYO,
STEPHEN HERBST @AWO,
IRA HISLER @AWO,
JONNA HITCHCOCK @NYO,
ANN HSIEH @NYO,
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RIK KABEL @NYO,
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ROBIN KASSEL @NYO,
DONALD LABOMBARD @NYO,
PAT LIEBERMAN @NYO,
GEORGE LIPSKER @NYO,
STEVEN LOKIETZ @NYO,
JANE LOUIE @NYO,
CHRIS MAGUIRE @NYO,
AMELIA MANZO @NYO,
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LISA MARTIGNONE @NYO,
MICHAEL MCGOVERN @NYO,
TOM MCGRATH @AWO,
TED MESTER @AWO,
CHRIS MILLER @NYO,
JEFF MISRAHI @AWO,
HAL MONDROW @NYO,
JOHN NAEGELY @AWO,
ELYSE NATTER @AWO,
MARIA NEGHERBON @AWO,
THOMAS NG @NYO,
LINDA NORDEN @NYO,
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MICHAEL REILLY @AWO,
CAROL RIZZO @NYO,
HELEN ROBERTS @AWO,
RICHARD SALOGUB @NYO,
RAJA SAMBAMURTY @AWO,
ANNE SAYAH @AWO,
JEFF SCHICK @NYO,
DONNA SCHOFIELD @AWO,
JEFF SCHWARTZ @NYO,
NELSON SEONG @AWO,
ANNE SILBERBERG @NYO,
JENNIFER SIMON @AWO,
THOMAS SKIDMORE @NYO,
ERICA SLAVIN @NYO,
_MTA::SMILEY AT A1 at HOCUS at PCO,
DAVID SMITH @AWO,
CAROLE SPINA @NYO,
NICK TAKOS @NYO,
GREGORY THOMAS @NYO,
ANGELA TOCCI @NYO,
NANCY TRUTT @NYO,
LEV VAITZBLIT @NYO,
MICHAEL VARRIALE @NYO,
PETERS VECRUMBA @NYO,
ANN VIGLIOTTI @NYO,
DEBORAH VLES @AWO,
JIM WALKER @NYO,
CLYDE WALKER @NYO,
ROBIN WALTHALL @NYO,
_SUBWAY::WATSON AT A1 at HOCUS at PCO,
TREVOR WHITE @AWO,
RAY WILLHOFT @NYO,
JIM WILLIAMS @NYO,
PETER WOLFE @NYO,
NICHOLAS YANNIOS @AWO,
LEWIS ZAMMIT @AWO

    You're right. It has the lowest information density of anything I've
    ever seen in my 24 years at DEC.
    
    Thanks for posting it as an object lesson.

    I knew that we should have kept - and _ synonomous as we started to in
    VMS v1! Then we wouldn't have needed this memo at all!

    And I'd have a hyphen rather than an underscore in my name.

    (By the way, .1 is *not* the worst I've seen.  I remember a two
    line memo with 180 blocks of distribution list.)
        
    								-mr. bill

       
       
       	I've seen still worse.. 200 blocks worth of distribution for the
       	following:
       
       
       		"Thanks and regards"
       
       
       
       	Geeeeeeez,
       
       							mike

    I know ALL-IN-1 mail is not as "sexy" as other modes of communication,
    but I used to have the same problem until the system managers for the
    NEMAIL cluster put in a feature that allows us to type:
    
    R (RN)  to read (new) messages, with the distribution list hidden
    RDL     to read the distribution list only
    RDIS    to read both
    P       to print the message without the distribution list
    PDIS      "          "       with            "          " 
    
    I hate to suggest that there are actually solutions to problems, but
    occasionally that is my experience.  This solution, however, does not
    FULLY solve the problem of ALL-IN-1 mail messages that have been
    "multiple forwarded"; I don't have to wade through the distribution
    lists, but I still get all the headers.  Still an improvement.
    
    While I have the floor, I thought I'd complain about the UUCP users
    who insist on impressing evryone in the notesfiles by including
    27 lines of:   joe!fred!sam!willie!shwq!wqewe!ihnpom!asdas!bzxc!
    addressing before their note.  If it's of any value, please edit
    it to the bottom; if not, please edit that stuff out.  

	I have several questions, perhaps best put into some mail
	related notes files:

        What percentage of mail readers actually need the distribution
        list? Hiding it is just a work around for those who don't need
        it. I suspect that less than 5% of the readers ever look at
        the distribution list. How about a hierarchical model for
        storing associated mail data that obviates the necessity for
        needless replication of LOTS of redundant data? How about NOT
        sending data at all, just notification with retrieval
        pointers. Or just sending the actual data (what was being
        communicated) with retrieval pointers for distribution lists? 

        Not only do these out of control distribution lists waste lots
        of human time but chew up a large amount of network bandwidth,
        not to mention disk storage space. Ultimately this is a
        problem the solution of which will more than pay for itself. 
	
	The problem is that we are creating a system the model for
	which is based on the physical transfer of paper. We have not
	exploited the effects that a network with its associated
	network services can have on the solution.
	

        Ed, I think your point is well-taken.  HOWEVER, in the future
        (here I'm putting on my moderator hat), PLEASE don't post such
        a low-information-content note.  You could easily have made
        your point by DESCRIBING the mail message, instead of posting
        all several-hundred lines of it here.  I thank you, and I'm
        sure all our batch-extract-to-mail readers thank you (and all
        others) for your future consideration.
        
        Tom
        a co-moderator

    re .7
    
    Excellant idea!  Its called DECmail.  I never thought I would see
    the day that I had ANYTHING good to say about DECmail, but it sure
    had All-or-none beat.
    
    In DECmail, there was a problem with forwarding headers, but all
    references to distribution lists were in the form of the distribution
    list name, rather than its contents.
    
    Unfortunately the nightly maintenance of the pointer system you
    described sometimes took more than 24 hours to reorganize, which
    had to be done nightly or response time reached negative numbers.
    
    Jim
    

    
    Re .9
    
    Come on now lets not be completely negative. The Mail portion
    of all in one does have a redeeming feature............
    
    You can have all your mail forwarded to VMS MAIL, then you don't
    have to worry about even entering ALL-in-NONE.....:-)

    Please, let's not start ANOTHER note discussing the various mail
    facilities...
    
    Bruce (moderator hat on)

	There is an advantage to including the distribution list in full.  
(That's right, I know of only one.)  If you think someone might be interested 
in the item you just received, you can check the distribution list to see if 
someone up the line has already sent it.  Of course, someone else could have 
sent it so even that is not a strong advantage.

	The really bad part is that the distribution list is put at the 
beginning in some cases and at the end in others.  If it was always up front, 
skipping to the end of the message and reading backwards would work (where 
you have an editor like reader available).  If it was always at the end, then 
you could skip when you got past the good part.  The current mess is just 
about the worst combination.

	To Dr. Blinn and moderators all...

	I had some misgivings about starting this note in this forum.
	My reason for doing so was because I feel that the state of
	the electronic interpersonal communication technology as used
	by us here at Digital is severely lacking in some areas. As a
	mater of fact some things have become an impediment to
	communication while absorbing a larger and larger share of
	communication bandwidth and system resources. I as I'm sure
	many others have, have been going along believing that we here
	at Digital are in the process of defining the way corporations
	will communicate in the future. (This particular communication
	medium is an example of the reason for my belief) It is the
	steady degredation in the mail products, coupled with a lack
	of vision for the future which concerns me and gives me
	concern for the way we work and for our ability to sell our
	vision to our customers. Thus my decision in favor of this
	forum. As for the .1 reply... They say 1 picture is worth a
	thousand words. In this case a thousand words WAS the picture.
	I'm sorry to eat up your disk space.

	-Ed
	

    re -.1  I have difficulty understanding what you are communicating,
    	besides your picture of long distribution list.
    
    re -.?  In ALL-IN-1 you can hop over distribution lists and go straight
    to the text through using the down-arrow key.  

        Since not everyone uses ALL-IN-1 to read their MAIL (some people
        don't even have ALL-IN-1 access, others choose to have the mail
        delivered via VAXmail), it's reasonable to want a better method of
        displaying distribution lists.  It's not difficult to enhance the
        "vanilla" ALL-IN-1 system to give you the choice of seeing the
        list expanded or not.  Of course, VAXmail lets you read your mail
        with an editor, and the editor can skip over distribution lists
        fairly quickly. 
        
        I agree with your point that .1 doesn't communicate anything very
        useful, which I suppose was the point -- that the signal to noise
        ratio is very low in that message. 
        
        Tom

  There's another very important reason to send the distribution 
  list, related to the reason already cited.  It's polite.

  If I send out a memo which takes a strong position on an issue,
  and one of the recipients dissents from my opinion, then the 
  recipient can only respond to the entire distribution if I've 
  made it obvious who the entire distribution is.  One way to do 
  that is to include the distribution list in a form that is 
  useable by anyone.  Using this rule, then

    TO: @JERKS

  probably doesn't qualify since it doesn't provide enough information
  to find the JERKS.DIS file.  Similarly

    TO: BEANNIE, CECIL

  probably doesn't qualify either, unless those are valid usernames
  on the local system.  If they're SYMBOLS, then more information is
  needed to translate the symbols.

                                   Atlant

There are a number of protocols that help everyone when used in electronic
MAIL. It does not matter if it is DECmail, AI1, or VAXmail. These are things
that I try to do most of the time.
(is there or should there be an "Electronic mail etiquette conference"?)

A lot of these suggestions are directly related to VAXnotes etiquette
and can be applied to MAIL.

1. If you send it to a distribution list ..include it.
   	The end of the message is preferable.
	I like to know who else got the info so I don't forward
	a copy to them again.

2. If you are sending to multiple persons (possibly a distribution list)
   and you are asking someone to do something , state exactly WHO you
   expect to do it.
	When I receive a message that has been sent to many people
	and it is not obvious that I'm the only person that can handle
	the request, I usually ignore it figuring that someone else
	will do it or the originator will send it again and be more
	specific.

3. Use meaningful subject lines.
	FYI gets looked at last (Unless it's from my immediate manager
	or above)

	HI! get's ignored most often ( again depends on who it's from)

	Using subjects that are meaningful helps to file them or take
	action on them.

	Examples:

	Subject: You should handle this - re:FOOBAR project

	Subject: FOOBAR cancellation

	Subject: FYI - FOOBAR

	Subject: Latest status - FOOBAR

4. Spell check your message before you send it.
	Makes you look good.

5. Don't say things in mail that you wouldn't say to the persons face!

6. Use a batch mail facility if possible. That tends to help get the
   message there.

7. Don't assume that your message has been read. If it's really that
   important - call and be sure the person can or will read it.

8. When forwarding messages tell the originator you did it or even
   ask permission before.

9. When replying (I think this only happens in AI1 mail) be sure you
   know WHO is going to see the reply.
	I receive replies to AI1 mail that say "OK" and it's
	been received by 40 bazillion people around the world.

10. Be aware that you can get mail from ANYWHERE!
	Sometimes you have to realize that the person sending may have
	a difficult time with your favorite language. Be patient
	and helpful.

/tb/
    

>    1. If you send it to a distribution list ..include it.
>   	The end of the message is preferable.
>	I like to know who else got the info so I don't forward
>	a copy to them again.

    There are times when this is *not* a good idea. I doubt if the ~3000
    people on my mailing list would appreciate getting everyones name.
    Likewise, I'm not interested in the much larger list of names on
    the VNS mailing list. Other larger mailing lists (VMSINTEREST, etc)
    should also not do this. I really don't think this is practical
    for lists of any real (>25 ?) size.
    
    			Alfred

    Good point - the size has to be considered. I don't get into
    distribution lists that large very often. When I have a list
    of greater than about 25 (I think that's a good guideline) I
    indicate what groups have been included in the distribution list
    rather than the individuals and offer to send the complete list
    to anyone that asks.
    
    I also try to format the distribution list as follows
    (this is oriented towards VAXmail.
    
    STEREO::BEAUDET !Tom Beaudet - GSG Product Mgmt - 264-4047 MKO2-1/H06
    This make the list a little more useful by giving more than just
    the address.
    
    /tb/
    
    
    /tb/

    Re: 556.17: 
    
    I'd like to add one item to your 'electronic mail courtesies' list:
    
    11.  Do not send manuals via mail.
    
    I can't count the times I've received MANUALS (not short ones, but
    several hundred pages!!!) over DECmail, VAXmail and/or ALL-IN-1.
    I usually delete them then call the senders with a few gruff words.
    It's probably the *only* time I've missed the old EMS system --
    it had a three page maximum.
    
    

    I'd like to add another:
    
    when sending memos (or "manuals" :-) in PostScript (�, Adobe Systems,
    Inc.) please don't add a prefix explanation in plain text ("ASCII").
    Adding it forces me to extract and then edit the file in order to
    print it. Either just include the info in the subject (so
    extract/noheader works), or send a preliminary messages separately, or
    include the plaintext as PostScript comments (%%).

    My favorite is when I get a message with a huge dist list, and then
    immediately following there'll be at least one message in all caps
    from some mouth-breather that doesn't know the difference between
    'reply to dist list' and 'reply to sender only'.
    
    karl (VMSmail bigot)

    re: .22  My favorite was the one with three levels of forwarding, THEN
    it was posted in an open conference.  That's not so much, BUT the
    first line of the memo said,
    
    "**************** DO NOT FORWARD! *****************"
    
    !