Conference 7.286::digital

    I tried to get information on this myself earlier this week.  According
    to the Employee Purchase Hotline (800-235-0505), the VAXmate will
    not be available for employee purchase until sometime June/July.
    (BTW, they can be gotten by charging it to your cost center, assuming
    (1) your cost center manager agrees to it, and (2) you have a bona
    fide need to have one.)  The employee purchase price has not yet
    been determined.
    
    Jon

    Watch the Employee Purchase Notesfile located at CUJO::EMPPURPRO.
    
    Press <KP7> to add it to your notebook.
    
    Lee

    
    
    
    	Thanks for the info and pointers.
    
    
    	Cary...
    
    
    

    
    VAXmate is certified by Future Computing as conforming to the highest
    level of IBM AT compatibility.
    
    

    Common Marshall, these are our people. Despite Future Computing,
    there are some things VAXmate doesn't do compared to COMPAQ, PC/AT.
    Don't enter the sales arena!

    Please be specific when you mention compatibility. What things doesn't
    a VAXmate do compared to a Compaq or AT? VAXmate was designed and
    tested from day one to 'run all industry standard software.' That
    goal remains the marching order. We have gone through great pain
    to make the claim stand.
    
    By the way, I don't particularly recommend the VAXmate as a home
    computer where its networked software can't be used as it is in
    an office situation. Of course, others might feel diferently given
    the VAXmate's now award winning beautiful industrial design.
    
    Why is speaking the truth seen as 'sales' and seen in a negative
    light? I can understand how our sales force must cringe when the
    word 'sales' is used in such a manner. Is it wrong to point out
    the good points of our products? That exact message is what K.O.
    threw at us during the VAXmate announcement. 
    
    Marshall
    

    re -1
    
    Will the Vaxmate also run DEC software? If so what? I am
    considering the purchase of one when available. Any other
    comments appreciated.
    
                                         Jim

    As I understand it, and at the risk of offending some people,
    the VAXmate is essentially a clone of the IBM PC-AT, but with
    significant DEC added value.  It runs MS-WINDOWS and, in that
    environment, should run just about anything that runs on the
    PC-AT.  The "pancake box" has (2?) PC-AT compatible option slots.
    
    DEC will likely offer software, but I doubt it's what you'd want
    to run at home.  I agree with .6 - the VAXmate doesn't make a lot
    of sense as a stand-alone home PC, because you're wasting (and paying
    for) the integrated networking support that makes VAXmate so
    attractive to businesses.
    
    Only if the DEPP price significantly undercuts what you can buy
    an IBM (or clone) for would VAXmate be a reasonable home PC purchase.
    					Steve

    re: "VAXmate at home"
    
    Does it make sense or doesn't it?  I know a lot of people who have
    invested the required big bucks to have a PC/AT at home, simply
    because they need it, or at least feel that they do.  In many cases,
    it's the classic example of "buying a Cadillac solely for the purpose
    of driving to church on Sundays", but there's a lot of people who
    actually make use of that much computer power at home.  In regard
    to price, a "real" (ie, not clone) PC/AT costs about 150% of the
    suggested VAXmate list price (I think - please correct if wrong),
    and presumably there will be some amount of employee discount, so
    it may well make sense.
    
    I wouldn't mind having one at home, though I've have to make room
    between my Apple and my Rainbow...
    
    Jon

    VAXmate compatability. It's a new product and this is a
    public conference.
    
    You know there were several management/marketing decisions that
    impacted VAXmate's compatability. Whenanyone says, "run all industry
    tandard software" with relation to tan IBM PC/AT compatible the
    implication is the unit will handle any and all hardware/software
    add-ons the IBM PC/AT can use. 
    
    You're part of the VAXmate Team. why not invite the interest
    people to the VAXmate conference. "Sales" was not a reference to
    individuals/groups, but to the oversell.
    

    
    
    RE: .10
    
    
    	Is there a VAXmate conference? 
    
    
    C.
    
    

	A quick look at ANCHOR::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS shows that
    	there is a VAXmate conference.
    
VAXmate (MS-DOS PC)             {VIKING,RAINBO,COLORS}::VAXMATE           911  

    	Hit Select or KP7 to add it to your notebook.
    
    		Alfred

    
    
    
    	Thanks Alfred.
    
    
    	C.
    
    

        re .10 and "this is a public conference".  This is NOT
        a "public conference".  It is for internal Digital use
        only.

Given that *all* Enet conferences are "for internal Digital use
only," the expression "public" vs. "private" is a useful way to
distinguish between conferences that are open to all Digital
employees, and those that are available only on a need-to-know
basis.

As long as everyone understands their underlying responsibilty
to maintain the confidentiality of Dec-internal information,
there shouldn't be any problem with calling conferences, such
as HUMAN::DIGITAL "public."

Martin.

    Re: .15
    
    Sorry, Martin, I disagree.  "Public" has too many unwanted
    connotations.  I prefer "unrestricted" and "restricted".
    
    				Steve

    re: .15
    
    The real problem is how a court of law would interpret a statement
    that certain material is "public", not how DEC employees interpret
    it.
    
    	- Jerry

    Here's my standard paragraph:

    Please refrain from calling proprietary information or private property
    of Digital Equipment Corporation "public".  When you mean "limited to
    the use of Digital employees" use those words.  Use "public"
    specifically to refer to things in which Digital has no ownership
    interest.
    
    The problem is not limited to a court's interpretation, but to the
    thousands of employees with access to the EASYNET.  Most employees
    in the field will take "public" to mean "publicly announced information
    regarding Digital's products and services" and therefore eligible
    to be shared with customers.
    
    I find each and every use of the word "public" to describe "limited
    to the use by Digital employees" to be dangerous.

    part of the problem is that we need a short phrase to describe this
    and similar conferences. Asking people to use a sentence or paragraph
    when then want a noun is cumbersome.
    
    How about,    DEC-wide conference.
    
    As in, "This is a DEC-wide conference."

    Good.

    
    
    	Does anyone know what happened to CUJO::EMPPURPRO? I have
    	not been able to access it this past week.
    
    
    	C.
    
    

        CUJO was suffering from a shortage of system management fo
        a few days and Notes got inadvertantly broken. All is well
        now.
        
        mark