Conference 501clb::pcdoom

    
         Hi all,
    
         I know there has been some discussion in the other notes about
            Doom II.
    
         Well, I just wanted to say that I recently recieved a
            WaldenSoftware catalog and in it it has Doom II listed
            on CD-Rom.
    
                                                            Bye,
                                                             Mike.

    
    Well, I got it!!  It's 5 disks.  Takes about 16 meg (25 to install).
    It's one big mission instead of being divided up.  Only played for
    about 20 minutes so far...  I won't put in any spoilers yet (especially
    since I haven't seen a TON of new stuff, just a couple of things...)
    
    

    
    Whoa....how did you get it? Is it beta or commercial product?
    Where can I get it? How much did it cost?
    
    and about 2 dozen other questions!
    
    Details please?
    
    Mac
    

    
    Yeah, spill the beans and fast, some of us can't take the stress
    of not knowing.

    
    it's the commercial release.  I'm not entirely sure if it's actually
    shipping officially (sorry)...  I called in a couple of favors to get
    my copy early...  I've got it running under NT 3.5, but can't get my
    PAS16 to work.  Worked fine under DOS w/my SB.
    
    Hm...  let me see if there's anything else I can tell you about this
    thing that might be interesting...
    
    Um, the setup program has a 'warp' mode that apparently lets you warp
    to any map (1 thru 30) and has toggles for deathmatch 2.0, no monsters
    and respawning.
    
    it supports general midi, SB AWE32 (now i REALLY gotta get one), sound
    canvas, waveblaster, ultrasound, PAS, SB, Adlib.  Supports PC speaker
    for sound effects.
    
    has a built in phone list for modem play...  still has nightmare!
    level...
    
    thats all from the SETUP...  lessee whats new in the game...
    
    new music of course, the engine to me looks the same and the graphics
    as well (I'm playing under NT3.5 on a P5/60), oh cool...  im sitting
    here watching the demo mode...  mutants with chainguns, you can find
    dbl barreled shotguns and toggle back and forth with that and the
    regular one by hitting 2...  a guy at work just came by and entered
    some cheat code and they still work (god i hate those).  i made him
    leave though... i didnt want to see anything until i got to it...
    um, its got 'fast' doors.  they open and close QUICKLY!  it has 'jail
    sells'.  vertical bars that you and the evil guys can fire thru.  you
    can hit the space to raise them...  some of them are 'color keyed'.
    
    um, thats about it for now...
    
    

    
         ...Called on a few favors...
    
         Gee Rob, I wish I had half as many contacts as you! :^)
            After all the years of catching the little hints from your
            notes about having this beta, or a prelease of that, or
            an advanced copy of the-other-thing... Gee... just who
            do you know? :^)
    
         On the serious side... Runnin' it under NT? Is that any good?
            How is NT at running other dos based entertainment? Hopefully,
            and I'm keeping my fingers crossed here, I'll have a P-90
            before December and I'ma wonderin' if another OS would be
            better...
    
                                                        Thanks,
                                                         Mike.

    
    its the nature of my job mike :').  been living, eating, sleeping and
    working pc's for 15 years now in both the business and entertainment
    side of the industry.  I'm hoping Microsoft's entertainment side takes
    off, they send me beta's of EVERYTHING :').  (I cant get MS Space
    Simulator to work properly though...  anyway...)
    
    Doom and Doom II both run FAIRLY well under NT on a P5/60.  Very
    playable, but it is DEFINATELY slower.  It runs quicker on my 486/50dx2
    under DOS.  DOS programs that behave well will generally run under NT. 
    If they need special device drivers though they may be a bitch to get
    running or they may not run at all.  If they have their own memory
    manager (unless it's DPMI based) they generally won't run at all.  That
    describes most of Origin's stuff.  I still run DOS/Win 3.11 at home 99%
    of the time.  I have Chicago installed at work and home and almost
    never use it.  I'm trying to see if it's feasable to switch over to
    Daytona but I have alot more testing to do.  I'm sure I'll keep the
    machine dual boot anyway for a long while.
    
    We now return you to your regularly scheduled program....
    

    
    man, this thing is nasty...  im on level 13 (i think, downtown anyway)
    and the last 5 levels have been a struggle to survive.  machine gun arm
    guys, spiders everyplace, giant fireball throwing skeletons... it's
    crazy!!!  And there's still 17 levels to go.  
    

  Re:     <<< Note 86.8 by KDX200::ROBR "Daybreak at the bottom of a lake..." >>>


This is no less than cruel and unusual punishment! I'm sure there is
something in the Notes etiquette about not posting notes / entries that
will cause your fellow employees - who have to wait until DOOMSday
(October 10th) - undue anguish and anxiety.

Where is the moderator when you need him/her??  :-)

Art

    
    you can come over and watch if you like :').  i'm stuck on level 13
    finding all the secrets.  got 75% of 'em.  I was talking to the guy I
    got this thing from.  He got 5 copies from GTi and has been offered
    upwards of $200 for the things!!  He gave them all away (except 1 :')).
    
    

    I have not been able to find any secrets, I do love the double barrel
    shotgun though ;-)
    
    

> I was talking to the guy I got this thing from.  He got 5 copies from GTi
> and has been offered upwards of $200 for the things!!  He gave them all away
> (except 1 :')).

Interesting...

Id Software has stated that anyone who has a copy of Doom II has a pirated
copy.  So does GTi have a special agreement with Id to give away a certain
number of copies of Doom II (free for fee), or what?

- jeff_just_curious

    
    Hmm, since I didn't see anything about ordering in this topic:
    
    Doom II, Hell on Earth
    
    Call 1-800-332-4300
    
    Shipping at end of September.
    
    44.95 + 3.95 Shipping, includes hint manual
    
    Just placed my order.
    
    Larry

    
    re: .12
    
    couldnt tell you.  he is a senior executive for a large chain that
    deals in computer games.  The answer though is probably that they arent
    supposed to be giving out copies.
    

    Larry-- when you ordered, did you have a choice of CD/floppy disks?
    
    Is there any distinct advantage of the cdrom version over
    the floppy disks (if this is an option)?
    
    Mac
    

    
    No choice, only disks available.  They did say that the CD-ROM version
    would be available in the stores however.  
    
    Larry

    
    Thanks larry. Anyone have any opinions re: CDROM vs Diskettes?
    
    mac
    

    CDROMs are great when the software runs from them (and doesn't still
    take a huge gawp of disk space on your hard drive).
    
    But I can't imagine DOOM being altogether very fast running off CD, so
    I do not know what ID intend to put on their CD version. It'll probably
    be just a simple installation disc, and still take up loads of your
    hard disc!! Maybe they'll bundle a load of editors/wads/etc on the CD
    like they did with doom 1 (supposedly) ???? Then it'd be worth it!
    
    Dan

re: CD-ROM vs. floppies

I believe that Id stated that they would include the Shareware version 1.666
of Doom on the CD, not on the floppies.  

re: CD as an install disk

I'd prefer having a CD-ROM as an install disk vs. spending 30+ minutes sitting
at the compu swapping floppies.  I'm less concerned about disk space.  The
real disk killer is if you start mucking about with wad editors and have to
save backup copies of the behemoth doom.wad.

- jeff

Just a query...

Has anyone got Doom II running on a machine with 4 meg??  That's all I've got
and I cant get it to run.  I've got a special config for Doom and have played
with QEMM but still cant get it running.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Dave

    
    doom doesnt need ANY memory manager....  but the answer is no... not
    that i know of.  then again, i dont know anybody that has tried either. 
    it should run on any machine that DOOM 1.666 runs on.
    
    

    The 1.666 engine of Doom I works fine on my machine with 4meg, biut as
    said before Doom likes naff all memory managers... DOS4GW sorts all
    this business out.

    Don't use smartdrv with 4mb as well!!

I can run D2 on a 486 DX33 with VESA graphics from windows with smartdrive 
enabled, EMM386 enabled and HIMEM (It's a bit slow but it runs! -- it also
complains about needing a full size window and some video driver stuff but
I've got it running)

Stuart

    re .25
    
    But you've got more than 4mb Stuart......

    
    in .22 he says he has 4 meg...
    
    

    Oops!
    
    Perhaps under windows then your ok, with 4MB and a large swap file!!

    
    swap file doesnt matter when youre running in a dos box... 
    

    I want a copy of DOOM II so bad I could just spit.
    
    Mac
    

I got rid of my memory manager and it works fine now.

Thanks,
Dave.

Sorry for the confusion guys. I've run it on two different machines. 1 with
4meg and no memory managers and the other with 16meg and everything you
can think of. Hope that clears up the mud.

Stuart

   
     I called the 1-800 number listed a few notes back. I intended to 
     order DOOM II but they wouldn't take my Discover card. They did
     give me an address to mail a check though.

        Goodtime Home Video
        PO 3569
        Wallingford CT. 06494

     Has anyone delt with this company before? I'm kind of leery sending
     them a check. 

     They also offer a DOOM II T-shirt for $14.95.  

    
    nope...  home video place???  i'd almost guess most software stores
    would have it before a home video place...   :').  i love shawmuts new
    atm cards.  they're a master card debit card.  can use my atm card for
    hotels and rentacar now....  
    

    
    There is a section at the top of ids finger that states that GT
    Interactive are the distributors for DOOM ][ So I would assume that
    they are valid.
    
    -John.

    Well, previews of DOOM ][ are winding there way onto magazine covers
    now in the U.K. Probably some demo discs/CD's too. Not much longer to
    go, guys.....

Can't wait, Dan!

    Utter tosh just got BFG'd, please desist.
    
    Greg (moderator)

Just got a mail flyer from GT Interactive giving me a "pre-release" chance to
buy Doom II 'cuz I'm a registered Doom owner (so it says).  I don't see anything
on the flyer that looks specifically related to me, so if you want Doom II, you
can probably order it by calling 800-332-4300.  This no. was mentioned in an
earlier reply, but the price on this flyer is $49.95 + 3.95 S/H as opposed to
$44.95 reported earlier.  However, if you order within 10 days, you receive
absolutely free the Doom II Survival Guide (a $12.95 value) as our gift to
you (how can I resist :-).

> Just got a mail flyer from GT Interactive giving me a "pre-release" chance
> to buy Doom II 'cuz I'm a registered Doom owner (so it says).  

You got the flier 'cuz you're a registered Doomer.  GT will take money from
anyone.  Fortunately, GT haven't wasted the paper on me -- they don't need to.

:-)

- jeff

    
    Anyone know when they'll start shipping the game ?  I was originally]
    told at the end of September.
    
    Lv

    In the UK there is a nice publicity campaign being run, I guess by
    their UK distributers, Virgin Software. At least two PC mags. have DOOM
    II "World Exclusive Reviews" on their front cover.
    
    On the back cover it is competely black except for the words "DOOMSDAY
    is October 10th", nothing else no phone number or any company name
    (unless you know about Doom II then it would be rather enigmatic.
    
    So it looks like Doom II is out in the UK on Oct. 10th.
    
    Lawrence.

    I just got my flyer in the mail the other day.
    Since I'd already called using the info in .13 I hope I get the hints
    book.
    
    When I called I first asked with what company I was placing the order,
    and the operator refused to tell me. I could not figure out why she was
    being so evasive...maybe she was just a hired/contracted order taker.
    But she would take my order, and there was an awkward pause when she
    asked for the orgination code.   Many of these types of things have a 
    code on the offer so they can track how you learned about it, and what
    rate to charge you.  I said I didn't have it with me, and she
    proceeded to complete the order anyways.   I notice on my mailing a
    "222" under my address.
    
    I also noticed that the Walden Software store in the Methuen Mall had a
    DooM II poster out front and a note that it was taking orders.
    
    	Dave.

Yesterday I was in Babbages Software in Nashua NH and they have pre-releases of
DOOM II on the shelf.

-Al

Yea, I was at the Pheasant Lane Mall, (Nashua) and ALL the stores
that sell Books/games/software,,,, have PRE-RELEASE kits,,,

	'Buy now, avoid the rush!'



What a concept,,, walk into a store, spend 40 bucks, and walk out with
nothing!

    
    So has anybody who ordered through the 800 number gotten their 
    new DOOM II yet ?  I'm still waiting, rather impatiently I might 
    add.  
    
    Lv

 > .51
    
    No! They had my money last week and still no software. They said it
    would be shipped last week. I hope its there tonight when I get home.
    How long should it take to ship from CT to NH? I know that when I
    ordered Doom I had it in 5 days. 

    
    
         My friend and I both got ours on Monday.
    Alot more badies and interesting floor layouts.
    Much better than DOOM I.  The Wolfenstein secret
    brings back some memories.....
    
    BJ

    Re: "Paying $40 and coming out with nothing" a couple replies ago. (I
    guess the exact price is something like $49.99). It is going to be on
    sale in the UK at 49.99 Pounds - that's $90 at current exchange rates.
    Hopefully that makes you feel a bit better at getting it at $40 :-)
    
    Lawrence.

    
    I called a number that the 1-800-??? number referred me to, and they
    said that the game was shipped last Friday & this Monday via UPS.
    The hint's book however is being shipped by US MAIL separately.
    
     Personally I hate UPS.  When I was waiting for my PC, it turned out
    that UPS had been trying to deliver it to the wrong address even though
    the address on the box was correct (?!).  Took me several phone calls 
    before I got it straightened out.  
    
    Lv

    
    For the Canadian DOOMers.
    
    According to a local A PLus s/w shop Oct 11th is the day for Toronto
    area. The lady in the shop they have ordered _lots_ 'o copies in
    expectation of heavy demand.
    
    Personally I think I'll only need one copy. 8^)
    
    Jason...

    	Well I received my copy of Doom II via UPS this past monday...but
    there is a problem....and this is coming from someone who has never had
    a problem before running any previous version of Doom on the same PC.
    
    	Doom II hangs/locks up either during a game save or while in random
    locations within the game. The manual states that you have to have
    "Hidden Refresh" off in your CMOS Advanced Chipset settings (BIOS)..and
    take out RAMBIOS.SYS (I don't have this..)...and also disable hardware
    video shadowing found in the CMOS setting.. I've done all this and
    still have problems.
    
    	If anyone else sees hangs or their PC locks up during a game,
    please let us know. There haven't been that many Doom II sent out yet,
    but that should all change in a week or 2. This could be a serious
    problem.
    
    							Thanks
    							-mike-

    
    
       Throughout DOOM II,  I pick up a white ball with what
    looks like a demon face inside.  Its called a MEGASPERE.
    Don't get this confused with the one that gives you GOD power.
    The hint book doesn't even list it.  Has anyone seen this?
    
    Brian

    
    yep, the GOD sphere is invulnerability and is green, the megasphere is
    white and i forget what it does.. i think part of it was restoring your
    health to full, but i remember a white haze as well... maybe its a
    damage modifier...
    

    
    
    DoomII arrived last night at last.  Pretty cool game so far. 
    When you run setup, what's the implication of the number of
    digital channels to mix for the sound card. I have an SB Pro,
    and the default was 3 which is what I used. What happens if I
    select 8, will it work, affect the sound any differently ?
    
    Lv

    My DooM II arrived last night.   Annoying that I paid $45 for it
    and CompUSA and someone else are advertising this morning for ~$38.
    anyways....
    
    	First thing to do is watch the demos. They are really wicked
    awesome.  Levels where you are running around on raised walkways with
    things shooting over pools and from various sides and branches.
    Then another where you are running around coridoors with lots of cages
    with things shooting though the bars, etc... yikes!
    
    	This version seems to have a much higher level of shoot or be
    killed.  More things are flying and you gotta more quick.
    
    	Just played the first two levels, pretty simple and tame, mostly
    acquiring weapons and armor... though I'm having troubles locating exactly 
    where the trigger for the rocket launcher secret compartment is on the 
    first level.  But that's a different note.
    
    	Dave.

At the risk of sounding like moaning old git, I thought I'd just mention that 
over her in the UK, Doom][ will be costing in the region of $70.

Maybe that'll make you feel better about being done out of a couple of bucks.

    I may be able to do a deal in Europe on DOOM2 CDs. I'm negotiating now,
    and hope to keep the price as close to the US price as possible,
    assuming sufficient interest of course. It depends on volume.
    
    Watch this space.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    Re: Doom II CDs - count me as interested ! I would also be interested
    if any kind person would get me a copy even on 3 1/2 floppy at the US
    price and post to my DEC office. I'd happily pay postage and of course
    full US price. Still be cheaper than UK.
    
    hopefully yours :-)
    
    Lawrence.

Someone asked the question a number of responses back, and I have yet to
see the answer - which I'd like to know before making the purchase.  What
is the difference (other than the media) between the diskette and the CD
version?  There was some suggestion that the CD verion would contain the
original DOOM + WADS + editors.  Relative to the CD version, does the game
play off the CD or is it simply the media from which you copy the game to
your hard drive?

Thanks

Art
 

    re .63
    
    I'm interested in the DOOM2 CDs, if the price is ok.
    
    Andreas (Munich)

    re: .62
    
    I ordered DOOM ][ through Transend for 33 pounds ! I don't know if this
    price was because I registered DOOM through them or not. I'll get their
    number if you want.
    
    Jonathan (still waiting)

     SAMS has Doom II for $39.99 and
     the Doom II Survival Guide for $6.98.

     The one in Manchester, NH had scores
     of both items yesterday.

     Mike

    Virgin Megastore for �39.99
    
    Waaheey! Doom ][ finally!

    Hoorah at last ;-)))))

Gosh, you're sooooo genuine.

     I like the secret and super-secret bonus levels.
    
     Some might regard it as a spoiler so ... 
    
    
    They're setup like Wolfenstein 3D.  I'd like to see them come out with 
    a new version of Wolfenstein using the Doom engine, that'd be pretty 
    slick.  Also, the reference to Commander Keen in the super secret 
    bonus level, pretty humorous.
    
    Lv

    Well, just got my CD from PC World, �50 including VAT.
    
    I'd have paid more...!
    
    From the blurb it appears to also include Doom on the CD - will confirm
    this PM. The documentation recommends NOT running the Doom ][ from the
    CD, for speed reasons I guess. I'll investigate the rest of the
    contents tonight and report back.
    
    Steev

    re .73
    
    >> I'd have paid more
    
    Obviously paying salesmen too well in Digital at the moment
    
    ;^)
    

    Check out the personal name y' cheeky S*d...!
    
    
    Steev

    OOoh a Catfight....
    
    Let's see who gets fragged first.

    Re:              <<< Note 86.65 by POLAR::GOSLING "KAO - 621-4519" >>>

Answered my own questions.  Bought the CD version on Saturday afternoon
and my PC hasn't taken a breath since then.  DOOMII plays directly off
the CD or can be loaded onto your hard drive.  Saved games and your setup
config are stored in a directory it creates on your hard drive.  I
haven't had any problems running it off the CD at all.  My son has beat
the crap out of it, using every cheat code known to man and hasn't hit a
bug.  It takes a bit longer to load on startup, and every once in a blue
moon slows for a heartbeat as it does a read before going into a new
section of a level.  Other than this I have found no difference in speed
between DOOMII running off the CD and DOOM running off the hard drive.
The 'slowing' happens rarely enough and is not even long enough to catch
one's breath, so I haven't found it a problem.

For the record, I have a 433dx with a 2x speed CD-ROM drive and 12 meg of
memory.

Also included on the CD version is the 1st episode of DOOM which CAN'T be
played off the CD.

Art

    Re: .77
    
    Glad you're up and running. Was the CD version more expensive than
    floppy version? If so, apart from not necessary to take up hard disc
    space using the CD, was there any thing different? From what you've
    said they seem to be the same (additional original Doom withstanding).
    
    Lawrence.

I got my copy of Doom II at Computer City and got one of the FREE 
Doomm II T-SHIRTS! (first 50 customers only).

For anyone else,  you can order one for $14.95...

Garry

        Re:                     <<< Note 86.78 by LARVAE::GILBERTL >>>

Lawrence,

Both versions were the same price at the store I bought it from.  I did
absolutely NO comparison shopping - just grabbed it and ran, as they were
going like hotcakes - so I'm not sure if this pricing is the norm.  I
didn't spend any time comparing the packages so I don't know if there are
differences (additional original Doom withstanding).  The response from
the sales clerk that it could be run off the CD was all I needed to make
the CD vs diskette decision.

Art
 

    
    Well I'm still waiting for my copy. I ordered via phone about  a month
    ago. Is anybody out there still waiting too or did my order fall thru
    the proverbial crack?
    jeff

> Well I'm still waiting for my copy. I ordered via phone about  a month ago.
> Is anybody out there still waiting too or did my order fall thru the
> proverbial crack?  jeff

FWIW...

There are lots of net.folks b*tching about how GT is late with Doom ][
shipments.  Many claim that they will refuse accepting shipment from UPS,
cancel the CC payment, file a complaint with some consumer agency somewhere,
and then buy the game from a store for $10-$20 less.

- jeff

    I've located DOOM II on CD for �37.50 plus �1 P&P, �2 P&P in Europe.
    The seller is sending them from the Channel Islands, so if your local
    customs charge you VAT you pay it, if not, you don't. UK people are
    unlikely to have to pay VAT; I don't know how things work elsewhere.
    
    If more than 10 people want it, I can negotiate a lower price.
    
    I need names mailed to me so I can pass on an order to the company.
    They are, as far as I know, the only UK-based CD supplier that takes
    orders by Email.
    
    You can pay by Visa or Mastercard.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    Where do you want people to put their names?  Here, or mail you
    type-thing?
    
    Ed

    Mail me, then I won't forget... 5 names so far.
    
    Laurie.

    Well, only 5 names, so it doesn't look as if we can do anything on
    this. Is it the price? Maybe I can put some pressure on the supplier...
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    Seems like DOOM ][ has LOTS of sound-card related problems. I spoke
    with their technical support and they indicated that there are SO MANY
    problems that a patch disk is being written as we speak which will be
    sent free to anyone that calls in with a sound-card related problem on
    this list. In my case, the Ensoniq Soundscape, is on the list.
    
    You can get most cards working to some degree, but they understand that
    the missed the target on solid high-quality sound-card support.
    
    
    FYI
    
    Mark

> will be sent free to anyone that calls in with a sound-card related problem
> on this list. In my case, the Ensoniq Soundscape, is on the list.
     ^^^^^^^^^
    
What list?


- jeff_wonderin_if_I_missed_sumthin

    They have a list of known problems and which cards are affected.
    Interestingly, DOOM-1 works just fine with the Soundscape! They seemed
    to say that having an "SB-emulation" card is not enough yet due to the way
    they have implemented the code. They need to clean-up their "SB-emulation"
    code. The only way to find out if you are affected is to call into 
    their Tech Support number given after you exit the game on the 'RED'
    screen.
    
    Mark

    >They need to clean-up their "SB-emulation" code.
    
    That's a good one - now the application writers are supposed to make
    their code work on all of the "not-quite 100% SoundBlaster capable" sound 
    cards?
    
    Lot's o' luck...
    
    Does it strike anyone else in the funny bone that "high quality sound",
    wavetables, and DOOM, are being used in the same sentence? I mean, were
    not talking about philharmonic orchestras here...
    
    Unless...You suppose that Turtle Beach was able to put some sampled 
    sounds from a *real* Cacademon in their wavetables? ;^)
    

    RE: -.1
    
    Actually they tell me they are NOT doing 100% soundblaster calls. They
    wrote the code to talk correctly to a Sound-blaster Card, not using the
    documented Soundblaster programming interface. That means the TRUE
    Soundblaster works just fine, but other cards that were built to
    Creative Labs spec for the Soundblaster may not work. It *REALLY* is a
    problem with the SB code itself... not accounting for oddball
    SB-emulation boards...
    
    8-(
    
    Mark

    Well there's news flying around alt.games.doom newgroup about a new
    twist (or a bug) in Doom 2...
    
    Sometimes the Archvile will resurrect a Chaingun Dude into something
    rather special.... not just any fat lardy bloater toting a chaingun,
    but an invulnerable one (so it would seem) and with the ability to walk
    through walls/doors/etc....!
    
    I'm not sure whether this has been mentioned in this notes conference
    or not, so just in case it hasn't - here's a mention just in case!
    Anyone verify this? I fancy trying it out tonight....
    
    Dan

    
    Ha, I just ran into that exact problem.  I forgot which level, I think
    it was Bloodfalls.  Right before the exit room there's two elevators.
    
    The Chaingun dudes came through the wall, and I couldn't kill them with
    normal means.  A well placed rocket worked wonders however.  Normally
    I could kill them with the super shotgun.  
    
    So they're more invulnerable than normal, but can be eliminated.
    
    Larry

 I have also come across one of these guys, ended up unloading half a full chain
 gun into him !!

 I've also come across a bug-ette. I don't know if it is known, but on one level
 (somewhere around 20), I found that if I continuously unloaded a chain gun into
 a knight from hell his plasma bolts had no effect on my health !!

 Jonathan

    Hmm weird! Sure you wasn't in God mode ;-) you're eyes aren't yellow
    when you are firing madly (you know, when the face turns to an angry
    homicidal maniac-type shot!).
    
    Maybe it _is_ a bug. Wouldn't surprise me.
    
    There's a patch for Doom 2 coming out soon to fix the MIDI problems,
    maybe it will address some of these problems too...
    
    Dan

Dan,

No,my face had an expression of sheer terror as the monster scared my sh*tless as I
was wondering through a dark tunnel, the music had decided to go very quite, and
as I turned the corner......ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH !

btw, would I use god-mode ? me, cheat ? Unheard of :-)

maybe it'll happen again the next time i'm up against a cyber-demon, but somehow
I doubt it.

Jonathan

And then there's the "burping monster" bug in which those glub-glubbing
lumpy brown flying-skull-spitting things don't spit skulls.  They open
their mouths, go "waaaaa", and nothing comes out.  Anybody else seen this
one.  It's happened to me a couple times.  Pretty funny, really.

	Dumb question from a novice read/mostly player on Doom ][...

   Aside from finding secret things that lower walls or jumping off of higher 
   structures to get over low walls and things - Is there a 'jump' function 
   that my kids and I are missing. We got stuck on the 3rd level for a night 
   and a half until we figured out the 'secret' method...

		Thanks,

			Jack
	

> Is there a 'jump' function that my kids and I are missing. 

No, there is no jump function.  All you can do is run off ledges at full speed
(and hold out your arms :-)

- jeff

    The Space Marine cannot "jump" 
    
    ... but he can sure fly.  As someone pointed out in the "solution" to
    getting into an area in D2 #3 (?) was running down a walkway and
    clearing a wall and then making it over another low wall on the far
    side of that room.
    
    In some of the later Doom 2 levels the heights are almost dizzying, and
    you should learn not to underestimate how far you can "glide".  Though
    it does seem to depend on how fast you were moving when your feet left
    the ground.  That being said... there is a spot in the end of Doom 1
    which you didn't have enough room to run, and you had to result to
    other techniques to "fall" off the ledge as desired.
    
    Also, in some of these rooms with crates, etc, you can "step across"
    small corner areas that aren't immediately obvious.  Some times it
    helps to use the Automap in high zoom mode to get the movements right.
    
    	Dave.

    And you can 'fly' (jump) from pillar to pillar, once you've got onto
    the highest pillar/room in an area, you just sprint off towards the
    next one, and assuming you remember to stop when you land, you
    effectively 'jump' from pillar/room to pillar/room.

    
    The 'jump' ability is really a nisnomer.
    
    If you are moving at normal speed and go over a ledge or whatever you
    fall and your momentum will carry you a small distance from the edge
    that you fell from.
    
    If you hold down the shift key while moving it is considered running.
    If you 'fall' off a ledge or whatever when running your momentun
    carries you further (than if you weren't running) and you will land
    further away from the ledge you fell off of. If the ledge is high
    enough you will travel a considerable horizontal distance before
    hitting the ground, which looks/feels like you are flying.
    
    The shift/run function will help you get over ledges that are higher
    than you could normally walk over. For example, there was a green
    armour item in DOOM One [second or third 'level'] that sat on a ledge -
    you could only get to it if you ran towards the ledge, you couldn't get
    it if you were walking.
    
    HTH,
    
    Jason...

    
         RE: -.1
    
         BUT, if you run across a surface then hit a higher surface your
            momentum will carry you up in an arc allowing you to "fall"
            farther...
    
         In DOOM ][ this is the only way you can reach that secret area
            on level 2?3?, in which you need to run, hit a small
            ledge and "fly" into that open pit area...
    
                                                          Happy...
                                                           Run, Jump, Fly,
                                                            Mike.

    
    Re .-1 re: .-2
    
    I was the one who posted that note regarding run over and jump for the
    Gauntlet. I'd forgotten about that one in my "White Paper" 8^). Thanks
    for pointing it out.
    
    Jason... 

	Thanks for all the ideas - I missed both the "hold the shift key
	to run" and the "run over a bump to clear low walls" methods.

	We'll try them tonight.



	Jack

    
    
     Any ideas wheer I can get some of the books for Doom2 ??
    
     
    
     Free of course !!
    
    Gary 

Well it had to happen eventually...there is now a DOOM magazine.
I saw it in my local newsagency here in Belgium on Saturday.  One
small drawback, however, it's in French.  In fact, it is a French
publication I assume since the cover price was in French Francs (35FF?)
and even the cover CD-ROM was labeled in French.   Since my French
is about as advanced as my Mongolian I can't give a report on
what is in it, in fact it was impossible to puruse since it was
package in a closed plastic bag.

Skippy.