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    Please post here or send vaxmail to me.  I have not belonged to
    NOW for many years.  I would be interested in making the DC trip.
    
    Thnks,
    marie

    I just got more info about this march in the Acton Area NOW newsletter.
    The announcement is reproduced below:
    
    
    March for Women's Equality, Women's Lives
    April 9, 1989, Washington D.C.
    
    All NOW members and friends are called to join a March in Washington
    D.C. April 9, when the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to be considering
    the first major attack underr the Bush Administration on Roe v Wade,
    the 1973 decision which affirmed every woman's right to decide when and
    whether to bear children. 
    
    National NOW President Molly Yard is asking for half a million marchers
    to let the new President, Congress and the Supreme Court know in no
    uncertain terms that "there aren't enough jails in America to hold the
    women who will defy this assault on individual liberty if Roe is
    reversed." 
    
    Busloads will go from Boston and a group from our area [Action MA]
    will fly. Save the date and call 508-264-4NOW if you can make it
    for the weekend or day.
    
    

    Wouldn't it be swell if we could get a few busloads from our =wn=
    community? 

    I'll be on the first one.  Who else?
    
    							=maggie

I'd be on the bus.

    
    I plan to go, too.
    
    Justine

re .3

>	"there aren't enough jails in America to hold the women who will 
>	defy this assault on individual liberty if Roe is reversed." 
    
	1) Nice to know that NOW prefers mob rule to the rule of law.

	2) Nice to know that NOW believes that many women hold themselves
	   above the law.

	3) There aren't enough jails in America to hold all of the 
	   drug criminals. I wonder if NOW is in favor of drugs, too.

							Tom_K

Re: .8 re .3

Tom_K, I think you may have missed the point of .3 when she said

>>	"there aren't enough jails in America to hold the women who will 
>>	defy this assault on individual liberty if Roe is reversed." 

Let's look at your responses one by one:

>	1) Nice to know that NOW prefers mob rule to the rule of law.

Civil disobedience is a time honored way of calling attention to an injustice--
witness the civil rights demonstrations of the 60's.  When one disobeys a law
one can expect to go to jail, and .3's concern could, I suppose, come to pass
if we do, in fact, make abortion a crime punishable by imprisonment.  However,
getting an abortion is hardly an act of mob violence (whether you support
legal abortion or not).  I see no evidence in .3 that NOW was calling for any
sort of mob rule.

>	2) Nice to know that NOW believes that many women hold themselves
>	   above the law.

Sounds to me like the exact opposite of .3.  She suggests that women go to
jail in protest of a Roe v. Wade overturn.  Going to jail is consistent with
the law, which would (or might) dictate a jail penalty for abortion (or for
protesting the illegality of it).  If .3 had said that women should protest
and resist arrest, then your suggestion that they hold themselves above the
law might be valid.  But being prepared to go to jail in protest isn't above
the law at all.

Thus, your

>	3) There aren't enough jails in America to hold all of the 
>	   drug criminals. I wonder if NOW is in favor of drugs, too.

seems to me to be irrelevant to the issue at hand.  I realize that it is a
very emotional issue, and one on which you seem to be in the minority in this
file.  I've been pleased that you haven't been intimidated by the amount of
opposition you've encountered here up to now.  I hope that we can keep the
discussion centered on abortion, though.  Drugs may well be a serious problem
in this country.  But they really don't have much to do with pro choice
demonstrations.

						--Q (Dick Wagman)

    And now that there is a paired protest/response, will everyone please
    take further argument about abortion to the appropriate topic and
    reserve this one for march issues as such.  Thanks.
    
    						=maggie

There will be a prochoice demonstratiopns on Saturday, 21 January in
Boston at Park Square, Kenmore Square, Coolidge Corner, and Cleveland
Circle from 9 AM to 12 Noon.

john

    
    I would like to join the bus to D.C. Maybe we could even have a
    wn banner! :^)
    
    Seriously, count me in.
    
    
    Roberta
    

    
    I'll be in Boston on Sat. and DC in April.
    
    am

Re < Note 325.11 by TOOK::HEFFERNAN "Night after night- the moon!" >
                              -< warmup rallies >-

There will be a prochoice demonstratiopns on Saturday, 21 January in
Boston at Park Square, Kenmore Square, Coolidge Corner, and Cleveland
Circle from 9 AM to 12 Noon.

john
---------------------------------------------------
Are you sure about this demonstration 

I called MassChoice to ask about it, and they had no
knowledge of it. 

Thanks.
--Debbie

RE:  .-1

Well, I read it on a number of signs in Cambridge last weekend.  I
think NOW was mentioned on the sign.  Perhaps someone who lives in
Cambridge or Boston can check the posters.  I hope I did not get the
date wrong.

john

    
    Re: .11
    
    There *is* a pro-choice rally on Saturday from 9-11 at the locations
    mentioned in .11. (sponsored by NOW)
    
    There is another rally the following day at Fanueil Hall, Boston
    from 12-1p.m. while Cardinal Law addresses pro-life activists.
    (sponsored by Bill Baird)
    
    Ann Marie

    I'll be there.

Yes, I was down in Central Square and rechecked the poster.

The text is:

January 22, 1973 - January 22, 1989

16 YEARS OF SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTION:  DON'T LET THIS BE THE LAST!

Roe Vs Wade, the decision which legalized abortion, is in jeopardy.
At the urging of the Reagan-Bush Administration, the US Supreme Court
will review a Missouri anti-abortion law this spring.  The Court could
decide to uphold sections of the law severely restricting a women's
access to abortion and further eroding a women's right to choose.  Or,
the Supreme Court could repeal Roe Vs Wade, removing any
constitutional protections for abortion rights.

EITHER WAY WOMEN LOSE.  WE HAVE ALREADY LOST TOO MUCH.

Poor women are denied abortion rights:  Congress passed the Hyde
Amendment, prohibiting the use of federal Medacaid funds for abortions
in 1977.  In 1988, Congress refused to allow abortion funding in cases
of rape or incest.

Young women are denied abortion rights:  Massachusetts in 1977 became
the first state to require minors seeking abortions to have consent of
their parents or a judge; this, and other restrictions, have been
upheld by the Supreme Court and lower courts.

All womens's abortion rights are threatened - by the courts, by the
legistrture, and also by right wing extermists.

The anti-abortionists have stepped up their efforts to deny women the
right to choose.  Pickets, harassment, clinic vandalism and bombings
put all women seeking abortion and familily planing at risk.
"Operation Rescue" is the latest attack by the anti-abortion movement;
their goal is to intimidate - to force clinics to shut down, denying
women needed services.  These attacks on abortion threaten women's
lives.

JOIN THE FIGHT FOR ABORTION RIGHTS:  WE MUST SHOW MASSACHUSETTS AND
THE NATION THATR THE PRO-CHOICE MOVEMENT WILL NOT BE TURNED BACK!

Saturday, January 21, 9-11 AM - demonstrate near clinics throughout
the Boston Area.  Join us at Park Street Station, Kenmore Square,
Coolidge Corner, and Cleveland Circle.

Sunday, January 22 - commenorate the anniversity of Roe Vs Wade with a
community meeting to plan future strategies.  UMASS, 100 Arlington
Street, Boston, 1-5 PM.

Sunday, April 9, Washington, DC.  Join the National March for Women's
Equality and Women's Lives - and take our call for equality and
abortion rights to the nation's capitol.

Sponsored by the Committee for Reproductive Freedom (Alliance Against
Women's Oppression, Boston NOW, and Boston Reproductive Rights
Network). For more information, call NOW at 782-1056. 

    How many seats on a bus?  If I've counted correctly, we've filled 7
    of them so far.                                           
    
    						=maggie

Re: .18

  Thanks for typing that in!
  I'll be there Saturday!  (They're predicting a high temp. of 20
  degrees, and a wind chill of 0. Brrrr.)

  -Debbie

    Since I started this string, I guess I should get up of by #ss
    and take a stand. I'm #8 if we get the bus. If not, I will go with
    the group from Worcester. I have the name of our local NOW rep.
    
    In Unity there is strength!
    Kate
    

    Heard that Worcester might organize a plane flight to Washington.
    I'd be interested.  Has anyone heard about this?
    
    FYI:
    
    To find out, I called Boston.  They gave me phone for Nancy Irons,
    
    Worcester representative for NOW:  508-755-9564.  No answer during
    the day, so I'll try her at night.  Will let you know what I learn.
    
    Boston doesn't think any definite plans will be made for a while,
    however.  
    
    Boston also gave me the national headquarters number:  202-331-0066.
    
    Ann Leach

    Speaking of airplanes, flying down and back would be a great deal
    quicker/more comfortable than a bus.  My understanding is that shuttle
    fare is ca. $150 each way, *substantially* less if we could fill
    a plane.
    
    Are there really only 7 of us (well, 8 with Barbara who's travelling
    on her own but wants to meet us there) willing to go?  Are the Reagan/
    Bush folks right about women being either apathetic or actually
    opposed?
    
    						=maggie

    Speaking for this woman, neither appathetic or opposed...just
    can't afford the $$.
    
    Bonnie

Since many women (as a group) tend to lack disposable income, how about 
organizing car pools?  The last time I went to a march in Washington, 
four of us rented a big comfortable car and brought lots of snack foods. 
Distributing the cost that way made it pretty affordable. One hotel room 
split 4 ways also comes out fairly reasonably.  Maybe this note can be 
used for that kind of networking, too?

and another idea...

since many women are also primary caretakers for small children, maybe 
folks who aren't able to go but who would like to contribute might want 
to consider offering babysitting services for those who do want to go...

    *Nice* ideas, Catherine!  How long does it take to drive to DC? 
    
    Is cost the major factor for most of our community?  (It isn't for me,
    but this is the first time in my life that it hasn't been so it
    wouldn't surprise me to hear that that's where the silence is coming
    from) 
    
    						=maggie

    April 9th is my sister-in-law's wedding day!
    
    With you in spirit - /Charlotte

    I am very interested in going, but I would have
    to find out the total cost and really plan for
    it.  A plane sounds a lot better for comfort reasons.
    I think it would be about 10 hours to drive...anyone
    have a better time estimate?
    
    If I went down separately with some other friends, how
    could I meet other fellow womannoters?
    
    Barb

    washington is about 480 miles from the Greater Maynard Area. when
    i drive down there (not terribly often), i allow a day for each
    direction.
    
    liz

    Having driven the route many many times to visit my folks, I'd put
    it between 8 to 10 hours, depending on where you are leaving from
    and how long you stop on the way.
    
    Bonnie

    Count me in.  I'd prefer to fly down.
    
    nmw

    
    
    re .30  Mike
    
    You're right, the carpool would be difficult for those of us at
    remote sites ;-), but while we continue to discuss this in and out
    of =wn='s maybe we can find some 'network roommates' so that *staying*
    in D.C. can be more affordable.  It is still early enough to find
    some real reasonable air fares.
    
    Also, others interested may find out whether or not their local
    chapter of NOW has organized transportation from their area.
    
    
    ~robin (one of the thousand from S.C. :-))

    I'd like to go and am, in the back of my mind, planning
    on going.  If there are no other males (from =wn community
    going), I'll probably drive down and use Delaware as a stopover
    point.  Which, if there were a few (two-three max) I could probably
    scrounge up a friend's place where we could stay over.
    
    8 hours to drive?  Bonnie, I'd love to find your directions as I can't
    even get to the Delaware Memorial Bridge in under 7 hours.

    I would like to attend - but again, like others, I need to get a
    rough estimate of cost so I can try to fit it into my budget.
    
    Suzanne

    
    re..24 
    
    ditto

You know, every time the abortion topic heats up, I get inspired. I'm
tentative, depending on working out details.
	Mez

RE:  .36

>    8 hours to drive?  Bonnie, I'd love to find your directions as I can't
>    even get to the Delaware Memorial Bridge in under 7 hours.

I've driven from Acton MA to the northwest DC suburbs in about nine hours
driving time (pit and meal stops extra).  You should be able to manage to
do it that quickly unless (a) you really never go faster than 55, or (b)
you spend a lot of time stopping en route.

There have been a number of discussions about driving from the Boston suburbs
to the New York City area in 3D::SHORT_CUTS (hit KP7 or SELECT).  If you have
more route questions you could get them answered there.

					--Q

    Money has been a gating factor for me on this trip.  However, if
    I can find a place to toss my sleeping bag for smallish cash outlay
    I would be more that happy to drive [my car, not a bus]
    
      Ann

    
    Money's tight for me too, but I'll gladly drive or split driving 
    responsiblities and costs (and even the cost of a cheap hotel room).
    
    						cathy

    count me in also.  I'll drive or fly. (have driven often to nj in
    4.5 hrs, but i tend to 'fly')  only thing is, don't let me navigate.
    last time i drove to nj, i stoped at a rest area, got back on the
    highway going the wrong way, and ended up touring the catskills.
    total miles out of my way ? 52 Round trip.  but i'd never seen the
    catskills before!!
    
    mary

    In addition to going to the rally, I'm sending a letter to President
    Bush.  One letter may be a drop in the bucket, but hundreds of letters
    really do get heard.  You can add yours, if you like, by mailing
    your views to:
    
    	President George Bush
    	The White House
    	Washington, DC 20500
    
    I put my letter in Notes topic :  Pro-Choice Letter Campaign
                        
    
    

    Listen up!! Great response! I love it.
    
    It seems lots of people want to drive down. If you do, send me mail.
    Also, include whether your car is available and how many it will
    fit.Also, include where you live. I will handle the logistics.
                        
    Will anyone volunteer for getting hotel arrangements squared away? What
    else do we need?
                                    
    In Unity There is Strength!
    Kate
                                     
    

   
     Don't know how, but, I'm going too!  
    
    Another (EX)Catholic for choice,
    
    Mary

    I am a NOW member who certainly intends to dig out the ole
    sneakers.  
    
    Can I get a seat on that bus with the rest of you, please?
    I don't want to have to march all the way to DC!
    
    I kinda like the idea of a =wm= banner.  
    
    Marilyn

    I'll be going as well.  I'll be driving down with a non-DECie and
    will be staying with friends in Philadelphia.
    
    I'm glad we've had some decent response in this note.  I have never
    been as emotionally absorbed in a political issue as I am in this.
    We need to unite.
    
    I hope to lots of womannoters there.  I'll be looking for you!
    
    Gail

    
    	If I were going to be around, I'd seriously consider going.
     I'd have to check the regs because there might be something against
    public demonstrations....however, I think that since, technically,
    I wouldn't be demonstrating AGAINST anything (I'd be demonstrating
    for Roe vs. Wade) that I'd be OK.  Anyway, the point is moot because
    I have orders and on 9 April, I will be "Deep in the Heart of Texas".
    
    	I did, however, want to lend my support to the mement.  I'll
    be with you in spirit as I try to avoid dangerous snakes and loud
    men in cowboy hats.
    
    GO IRISH!
    
    Rachel

    
    I just got a phone number in Washington.
    It is for the Washington DC Convention and Visitors Association.
    The number is (202)789-7000.
    
    They are sending me out info on hotels in the area.  When I recieve
    the info I will post rates and such in this note.  
    
    Michele

    I'd like to go too - anyone else from the Merrimack/Nashua, NH area
    planning to go?  Maybe we could carpool from here to meet up with
    the carpools/bus in MA?
    
                             ...Lisa V...
    

	I would like to go to Washington for the March.
	If there is a charted flight, count me in..
	If there is a charted bus, count me in..
	If some wants to share expense, count me in..
	If some wants to ride with me, let me know...

	In short I will be there, and prefer to go
	with a group, at any cost...

Arun Sankar.
    

    RE: 53
    
    I hope to be going and I live in Merrimack...perhaps we could get
    together and car pool!
    
    Suzanne

    re.53 & 55:
    
    Lisa & Suzanne,
    
      I live in Nashua, work in Merrimack.  In .43 I offered to drive
    if a find a place to stay [I've had an offer].
    
      Should we take this 'off-line'?
    
        Ann

    I am still collecting names for those interested in carpooling.
    For those who don't have anyone to go with, I'll be back in touch
    (off line) by the end of the week. 
    
    I got a call from Robin from S.C. who said the National Airport
    Holiday Inn is renting rooms which can fit 5 people for $59 per
    night. Although there is only one bed, people could do the inflat-
    able matress routine.
    
    There is a 1-800 Holiday Inn number. I will call Feb 9th with the
    head count. It would be nice if we could all be together on the
    same floor. Send mail if you need a place to stay.
    
    Kate
    

            
    A very respected member of our community has urged that the file not
    be used to plan march participation.  This person is very firmly
    pro-choice, but makes two points:  (a) it is against DEC policy to
    solicit support for a political cause and (b) that since there are
    at least some valued members of the community who are not pro-
    choice, to publicly work out the details of a pro-choice event
    borders on gratuitous insult and may have the effect of making those
    women feel unwelcome in the file.

    These points are good ones.  It's all too easy to get caught up in
    the spirit of the moment and forget that the majority position is
    not the only one, and that there are indeed *very* valued members of
    our =wn= community who are just as strongly opposed to the goal of
    this march as others are in favor.  Moreover, if anyone were to urge
    someone else's participation in this event that would indeed be a
    violation of DEC policy on computer use!

    Therefore, the moderators would like to remind everyone that while
    it is legitimate to report our personal intentions concerning
    participation/non-participation and to make plans with other people
    who are similarly inclined, it is *NOT* legitimate to urge action or
    inaction on anyone else except in the hypothetical context of
    argument in the appropriate strings.  Any notes violating this
    principle will be immediately hidden with a request sent to their
    authors requesting rewrite or deletion.  

    The moderators would also like to remind everyone that this file is
    intended to be a supportive place for *all* women at DEC, of
    whatever political, social, or sexual orientation...and particularly
    of women whose views, orientation or status tend to place them in a
    minority within our community.  Thus, for a contextual example, if
    other members of our community should wish to plan participation in
    a demonstration opposed to this march, the moderators will support
    any strings dedicated to that planning and, so that the activity can
    be carried out in peace, will immediately move, hide, or delete any
    notes that tend to disrupt the process. 

    					in Sisterhood,
    					Ann Marie, Bonnie, Jody, Liz,
    	  				=maggie, and Mez

    Please be aware that this string is NOT closed, it was and is still
    open and available for planning activities in connection with the
    April march.
    
    						=maggie

    Thanks for this note -- I had gotten the impression that the whole
    planning string was illegal (per DEC policy)

    No, *soliciting* for a political (i.e., controversial) purpose is
    against policy, but merely talking about our own personal plans
    and coordinating with other people who have similar plans is just
    fine.
    
                     				=maggie

                        -< Wouldn't It Be Nice... >-
                                                
     ...if all of us DEC women and friends met on Saturday, April 8th
    for an outdoor picnic gathering on the Mall in DC?  Weather permitting
    of course!
    
    I live near DC and work in the Landover, MD office and could scout
    out a good place to meet, near a landmark.  I think it would be
    great to see how many DEC women we can gather together in one place.
    
    Let me know what you all think!
    
    Looking forward to the weekend,
    
    Sue
    

    
    I have two children (7,8�), and am thinking about going. I'm torn between 
    the camaraderie of a bus and the comfort of a car. I'm also concerned
    about expenses and where to stay. Are others going with children? Is
    anyone taking any children on a bus leaving from anywhere near Marlborough, 
    and what are the bus arrangements?
    
    Thanks,
    
    	    Larry
    

    I want to go and have someone else who also does, so that is 2 more
    people for the bus.  Couldn't we have the bus drive home that night,
    and catch what sleep we can on the way?  That would save some money.
    Is an overnight planned for the night *before* the march?  This
    sounds exciting.
    	Linda

    
    It looks to me as though we have 4 possible groups here:
    
    	- those who want to go by plane for speed
    
    	- those who want to go by bus for community
    
    	- those who want to go by car for cost
    
        - and of course those who are planning to make 
          their own way down and rv with the rest of us once there
    
    As far as I can tell at this point, the main sentiment appears to favor
    a convoy of cars rather than a bus, particularly.  This solution will
    work very well if we have sufficient new-ish cars, and we can borrow a
    number of CB radios so as to keep in contact en route. 
    
    Kate Donovan (USEM::DONOVAN, see .47) has taken responsibility for
    sorting out a list of who's going and what means are most favored. She
    has asked for information, and it would probably be a good idea for
    everyone to send her mail giving 
    
    	- your transportation preferences in order, including any that
          are right out of the question unless <whatever>
    
        - where you live (so that pickup arrangements can be optimised) 
    
        - your ability to share energy (can you drive a car? a bus?
          navigate well?), costs (chip in for gas? for bus rental? 
          food & drink? room rental?) and hardware (year/make of car?
          how many seats?  do you have access to a cb radio?)
    
        - any strange preferences for company (e.g., I really like folk
          music and hate rock but most people are just the opposite,
          plus I'm a mostly-veggie and really love spicy asian food)
    
    If we all do that, perhaps Kate would commit to posting a update
    every day so that we know where we stand and can make tradeoffs.
    
    						=maggie

	My daughter and I want to go to DC - we live in N. Chelmsford
	MA and will need to have someone travel with us to share the
	driving and expenses.  I have a friend who lives just outside
	of DC who we might be able to stay with.

	_peggy & Greta (who doesn't work for DEC, Yet.)

		(-)
		 |

			Sorry it took me so long to reply to
			this.

    Kate, Count me in. We can drive or bus or fly.
    Can I help with the details?? 
    
    Sue, The 8th sounds great.
                    
    The drive to DC from SPO has taken me 6 HRS at most in the past.
    That's with rest stops. More then one driver. ect.. 
    Probaly 4 people to a hotel room, split the cost 4 ways can not
    beat it.
     
    

    I'm going to the NOW meeting in Acton on Feb 8, where I understand
    they'll be discussing the march and ways to get there.  This is
    to include flying (my preference).
    
    Maybe others would like to attend the meeting.  In any case, I'll
    take notes and let you know what I learn.
    
    Meeting details:
    
    	Feb 8, 8 pm (coffee at 7:30)
    	McCarthy-Towne School Library
        Routes 111 and 27, Acton
    
    Directions:
    
    	From Rte 495, take 2A to Rte 27.  Turn right at Rte 27.  Go
    through two sets of lights to Rte 111, turn right.  School district
    building are just a short way on the right.  Turn right into drive.
    Go to the top of the hill and park.  Entrance is in the back of
    the library.                      
    
    Ann
    
    
    

    does anyone know what time on sunday the march starts? i ask because
    i've been invited to an event the night before and am wondering
    if i can squeeze both in.
    
    thanks
    liz

    
    I plan to go, but don't know much else right now.  A few (or maybe
    more) notes back a DC area writer suggested a meeting spot (and
    time?) for DECcies coming to march.  I, for one, would love that
    since I'd like to have the opportunity to find other DECcies even
    if I happen to not travel with some! 
    
    CQ

Re:  .68

>                  -< Acton NOW to discuss ways to get there >-
>
>    Meeting details:
>
>	Feb 8, 8 pm (coffee at 7:30)
>	McCarthy-Towne School Library
>	Routes 111 and 27, Acton

Even easier (and quicker) Directions:

From I-495 take Rt 2 east towards Acton and Boston for two exits to Rt 27
(Acton/Maynard).  Get off at Rt 27 and turn right (towards Maynard); proceed
for about 1/4 mile to Rt 111 (the first traffic light).  Then...

>   ... turn right.  School district buildings are just a short way on
>   the right.  Turn right into drive.  Go to the top of the hill and park.
>   Entrance is in the back of the library.

					--Q (Dick Wagman)

My husband Greg and I are interested in going. I think I prefer flying, but we
would also be willing to take the bus. I unfortunately can't make it to the
NOW meeting in Acton, but am looking forward to reading the notes from the
meeting.

Thanks,

Muggsie

I'm interested in going. 

Jenny

    Here's the word on transportation to the April 9 march.  Also hotel
    accommodations.  This is a long note!  
    
    BUSES:
    
    Buses will leave Boston Saturday evening.  $40 per person, round
    trip (subsidies available).  Call the March Hot Line for information
    
    and alternative trasportation:  (617)782-4059  TDD (617)787-4393.
    
    For information on buses leaving local areas, call the above numbers
    or the Acton phone:  508-264-4NOW. 
    
    If you want to take the bus, print out the following form, and send
    it with your check to :
    
    Boston NOW
    971 Commonwealth Avenue
    Boston, MA 02215
    
    Make check payable to Massachusetts NOW
    
    __ I want to join the historic march
    
    __ I will stay for Monday Lobby Day
    
    __I want to help work on the march
    
    __ I am enclosing $_____for_____bus tickets
    
    __ I would like to contribute $___________
    
    Name____________________________________________________________
    
    Address_________________________________________________________
    
    City____________________________State____________Zip____________
    
    Telephone(________)________________________________
    
    
    FOR PLANES AND HOTELS:
    
    Soon, there will be information on charter flights.  For now, here
    is information on commercial flights through NOW.
    
    NOW has arranged for discounted flights through United Airlines.
     Individuals wishing to take advantage of these special rates must
    make their reservations through a central agency in Washington DC.
     These discounted rates will not be available through local travel
    agents, as far as NOW is aware.
    
    As of FRIDAY, FEB 10, reservations may be made via telephone to:
    
    	G.E.T. Meeting Planner, tel 1-800-228-0861
    
    Their operating hours are M-F, 9 am - 5 pm
    
    There are two discounted rates available for flights:
    
    1. 5% discount off restricted airfares, such as Ultra or Super Savers.
    Restrictions applying may be such things as a 25% penalty for cancelled
    reservations, or limited fligh availability or scheudles.
    
    2.  40% discount off unrestricted, full coach fares.
    
    At this junture, NOW cannot predict which of these two options is
    the better bet.  The latest figure for the super save round-trip
    fare from Logan is $160.  From Bradley, the quote is $112.  Also,
    
    there is no gurarantee that the Untied prices, even at discount,
    are the best available.  You might cnsider contacting G.E.T. for
    a quote and then comparing their prices with other airlines.  Check
    with local travel agents for this info.
    
    To qualify for the G.E.T. discount, identify yourself and/or your
    group as aprticipants in the April 9th march.
    
    TRAINS:
    
    No arrangements have been made through NOW for trains to Washington.
     However, AMtrak does have regular service to DC, originating in
    Boston.  Last cost quoted was approximately $105 round-trip.  The
    trip takes around 8 hours, and tickets may be purchased through
    local travel agents or at South Station, where the trains originate.
    
    ACCOMMODATIONS:
    
    Recommendation:  MAKE THESE EARLY!
    
    G.E.T. Meeting Planners are also handling hotel arrangements, starting
    February 10.  Reservations, however, must be made in writing on
    special forms provided by G.E.T.  Requests for these forms may be
    made over the phone starting Friday the 10th.  Send the completed
    form to:
    
    	Ms. Vick Ferguson
    	G.E.T. Meeting Planners
    	1522 Conn. Ave., N.W.
    	Washington DC 20036
    
    The prices range from $60 to $160 per night double occupancy.  G.E.T.
    currently has set aside 485 rooms for Sat April 8, and 535 rooms
    for Sun, April 9.   Evidently this is a very busy time of year for
    DC, and these rooms are expected to go quickly.  Sherri O'Dell
    recommends that people make reservations as soon as possible - and
    even cancel later, if need be - so as not to be left "roffless"
    the eve of the march.  Individuals wishing to reserve a room or
    rooms will do so by specifying their desired price range, rather
    than by setting out a preferred hotel name.  G.E.T. will block
    dlegations together, wherever possible.
    
    Again, as in the case of flights, feel free to check with local
    travel agents, if you think you can beat the G.E.T. prices.  The
    sense, however, is that rooms are going to be a precious commodity
    come April.  So, whatever you do, do it quickly.
    
    Ann
    
    

    
    Some Alternatives to Marching
    
    If you can't attend the march, but want to help, here are some
    ideas.  Your help in these areas is deeply appreciated
                 
    To volunteer, you can call:
    
    Boston:  617-782-4059
    
    Acton:   508-264-NOW
    
    Or your local NOW organization
                                                          
    
    BABYSITTING:	
                                                   
    Mothers who want to march but can't take their children can use
    babysitters in their homes, or in your home
    
    CONTRIBUTIONS TO BUS FUND:
    
    While most people will be paying their own way, there are some 
    who can't.  Students and people on minimum incomes can be 
    subsidized.  Your contribution can help.       
    
    Checks can be made payable to Massachusetts NOW.
    Address:  971 Commonwealth Avenue
    Boston, MA 02215
    
    
    LETTERS:
    
    Letters are only 25 cents, but they have a real impact.  A short
    letter giving your point of view can be sent to the President,
    your senator or representative, and even to the Supreme Court
    
    Many addresses are in a list here in NOTES 325. 
                                 
    
    Ann

    I chatted with two women from DEC at the Acton meeting on Wednesday.
    
    But got so carried away with finding out how to get to Washington
    that I never got your names.  
    
    I'm Ann.  I've probably been reading your letters, but would love
    to match them with the faces.  

    
    Would anyone like to share ahotel room in Washington?
    
    With a smoker?  
    
    I'll be calling today to reserve a room in the $75 to $100 range.
    Would love to share it with someone from DEC.
    
    Ann
    
    

    
    I'm going to march.  I've never done anything like this before,
    ever, on any kind of scale, I don't think.  (It's possible that 
    I engaged in some kind of small town civil rights or anti-war 
    demonstrations as a high school student but that was so long ago, 
    I have no clear memories of what exactly it is I might have done...)
    I don't know anyone who's ever done anything like this, so I have 
    no idea what it could be like.  If there are any readers out there 
    who are willing to tell the rest of us what their experience has 
    been, when they have marched for a cause, I'd be grateful to read 
    about it.
    
    Christine

    when i was but a lass, i marched against the vietnam war in washington
    (i was young enough that my mother insisted on coming along to make
    sure i was ok.) things were very peaceful during these protests -- we'd
    walk a long way up wide avenues (d.c. is great for protest marches),
    then attend some kind of rally where there were speeches and often
    entertainment. you could get in trouble if you wanted, but i think you
    had to try. (clearly, this wasn't true of all protest marches -- there
    was certainly ugliness and violence in lots of places, both on the part
    of the protestors and the cops.) the feeling in the air seemed magical,
    energized, and positive. 
    
    liz

I went to the Lesbian/Gay Civil Rights March on Washington in October, 
1987, and it was definitely one of those "tell your grandchildren you 
were there" kind of experiences, like Woodstock (I was there, too).
There were at least half a million people there, and the energy and 
exhiliaration cannot possibly be described.  We walked from the Ellipse 
to the Mall, and it took 5 hours for everyone to stream from point to 
point.  The Ellipse was packed with  people, hanging out with their 
delegations, waiting to set off.  There was a very celebratory 
atmosphere surrounding the whole thing.  Washington DC was 
flooded with "people like us", and it was enough to make one giddy.
The diversity of people sharing common goals was especially inspiring -- 
there was everyone from Dyke Doctors to Radical Faeries to Gay 
Veterans to Lesbian Motorcycle Clubs, and folks from every state of the union.
There were a handful of religious protestors across from the White House, 
assuring us we were all damned, but it didn't mar anyone's enthusiasm.
The police were cooperative -- there were no incidents that I'm aware of, 
and they didn't pull out the rubber gloves until the Supreme Court CD.
There were various speakers and performers at the Mall, including Jesse 
Jackson.  The Names Quilt was also spread out on the Mall -- a very 
moving and somber experience.  People moving silently among the names, 
and weeping for people they didn't even know.  One of the special 
moments I remember was leaving from the Mall Metro (subway) station, 
when people sorta looked around and realized that WE WERE EVERYWHERE -- 
on the subway, in the station, up the stairs...  There's no experience 
like it.

    Christine,
    
    According to one of the orgnanizers, they do expect a large turnout.
    The march won't be long or arduous, as a half-million (projected)
    people don't move too fast.
    
    March will be followed by a rally with several speakers.  They're
    talking about Barbara Harris, newly consecrated Episcopal bishop,
    if they can get her, and others.  Holly Near will sing.  (That's
    the sum total of my knowledge about THIS march.)
    
    I marched for civil rights in Lowell with black friends.  The whole
    movement was a one-in-a-lifetime experience of closeness. The march
    was pretty tame compared to all the other activities.
    
    Ann

    
    Re: the last few.  
    
    Thanks... I'm looking forward to reading more if anyone else has 
    a memory to share.  I'm looking forward to the march, I'm excited 
    and a little bit anxious.  I think it will be an intensely emotional 
    event for me (if I can remain open to that) and I'm not too
    comfortable with strong emotions.
                
    CQ

    
    I marched a couple of years ago in Howard Beach, Queens, after the
    incident in a pizza place there that left a black man dead, a couple
    more injured, and the white residents muttering "what were they
    doing there in the first place".
    
    At first I was a little put off by the idea of everyone chanting
    the same slogans at the same time, like a bunch of robots. But a
    friend pointed out that this helped create the feeling of solidarity
    that is important to any cause. 
              
    One upsetting point occurred when we marched past a group of
    really angry-looking residents who were cursing at us, etc. I could
    not believe the looks of pure hatred on the faces of those people.
                                                                     
    Anyway, I really did get into the slogans after a while. I even
    made one up! I didn't have the guts to shout it out, but my friend's
    boyfriend did and soon everyone was saying it! I even saw Al Sharpton
    (NOT one of my favorite activists) saying it on the news that night.
    
    The whole thing was pretty inspiring. There were people of all
    different ethnicities. And we al knew we were there for the same
    reason - because it was the right thing to do. The only scary part was
    when I got on the subway to go home late that night, but I won't
    go into that. 
    
    Roberta                                        

	I'm going, and my mother is going with me.  The Framingham
	NOW chapter is offering bus trips down for $35. round trip.
	It leaves late saturday night, and returns in the wee hours
	of the morning Monday.  This means there's no hotel costs.
	(Of course, it will be very tiring too.)

	Anyways, I'll try and remember to wear my womannotes T-shirt.
	If others do that, maybe we'll see each other.  But then
	in crowds that big, it's unlikely.

	...Karen

    Is anyone making a banner? Maggie, I heard you're an artist and
    Tchen also mentioned it. 
    
    Can anyone give a landmark (restaurant or something) where we could
    all meet? I don't know the area.
    
    Is everyone all set for accomodations?

    Kate
    

    Not sure what kind of banner you mean.
    
    If it's "Digital" better be careful.  Digital isn't a sponsor and
    might have problems with a Digital banner.
    

    
    I thought a womannotes banner was the intention, myself. Although,
    there again, a banner wouldn't represent the views of everyone in
    this file.
    
    Roberta

    
    How about the T-shirt logo on a rather large piece of fabric?  Good
    luck to the person carrying it around with them all day...maybe
    we need a sign up sheet for banner-sitters.
    
    Yeah, and we can't use the corporate logo for this event.
    
    am

    Re;.90
    
    Marge, I respect your opinion. I also respect you for being able
    to voice your opinion in the face of controversy.
    
    Thanks,
    Kate

    Hi,
    
    I've just reserved a room at the Hyatt on the mall in Washington
    at a weekend rate of $89 for Sat night.  Would love to share this
    (I'm a smoker, so another smoker would probably be happier.)   
                 
    Have also made reservation on the Easter shuttle chartered by Omni
    travel for this occasion:  $155 round trip.
    
    So far, this $155 price is the best I could find.
    
    If you're interested in reserving through Omni, you can call Meg
    at 617-864-6130.
    
    By the way, would any DECcies like to meet for dinner on Saturday
    
    night?  I expect the Hyatt has a restaurant.  It's an idea, anyway!
    
    Ann
    
    I  

RE: .93

    Will there be an Eastern Airlines in a month? Seriously, there may
    well  be a mechanics strike, which the pilots are likely to honor.
    Many observers feel that that combination would put Eastern out of
    business.

--David

    re .95
    If there is a strike in a month, during the time I'm suppose to
    travel via Eastern, and I have already bought my ticket, what course
    of action might I take? 

    re:.93
    
    Hi Ann,
    I would love to have dinner with you on Saturday night at the Hyatt.
    Does 8:00 sound too late? Would anyone else like to join us? I have
    my reservations at Day's Inn but if you do not get any response,
    call or mail me. I will find someone.
    
    In the meantime, how many for dinner?? We'll all probably be starving
    from our long journies.
        
    P.S.
    It will be a pleasure to meet you.
    
    Kate           
                                      

    ...More on busses from Framingham...we (South Middlesex NOW) have
    four busses reserved, leaving from Shoppers World, Rt.9, around
    11:30PM on the 8th.  We'll arrive in DC at approximately 9AM,
    and leave around 7PM.  Tickets are $35. round trip; all busses are
    non-smoking.
    
    I have tickets to sell (and more info), if anyone is interested.
    Call me at DTN 223-6806.  
    
    I've been to - oh, a dozen or so - demonstrations in DC for various
    causes.  They are the reward for all the effort I put into women's
    issues during the year!  It's *the* most empowering experience I
    have ever experienced...worth the looong bus ride!
    
    Carolann
    

    Does anyone have an official schedule of events on 4/9??
    
    am

    Has anyone ever made a banner successfully?  I expect I could do the
    artwork portion in a somewhat credible way (the idea of using our
    community logo sounds swell), but it's not all that clear that I really
    know how to make the banner itself.  
    
    If you have made one that worked well, check me on this:  3-4 yards of
    bleached muslin fastened to a couple of 8ft 1x2s, with slits in so that
    it doesn't turn into a sail.  Does that sound right?  Should the poles
    be something else like broom handles or something?
    
    						=maggie 

re: broom handles

well, round is easier to hold onto for a couple of hours than 
rectangular...

    Maggie,
    
    I'll take my turn as a designated holder. Also, will you be joining
    us for dinner Sat night at the Hyatt? Catherine? Robin? Roberta?
    Anyone?
    
    Kate
           

    isn't the hyatt a little pricey? there are plenty of other great
    places to eat in d.c., say in addams morgan...
    
    i'm not sure whether i'll be able to join the group; it depends
    on what time the march starts (which will determine when i arrive
    in d.c.). does anyone know when the march starts?
    
    thanks
    liz

    
    re. 102  Kate,
    
     I have decided not to rent a car, so I will be taking Public
    Transportation 101 (cram course) when I get to D.C.  If I can get
    my buttskie *to* the Hyatt, I'm game....
    
    as long as jeans are part of their evening dress code ;-).
    
    
    ~robin

Does anyone know why the organizers (or is it NOW?) are requesting that
marchers wear white? I'm always skeptical of requests I don't understand.
	Mez

    Isn't that what the original advocates of suffrage for women wore
    when they marched?
    
    						Ann B.

    
    
    re. ?time?
    
    [borrowed from usenet w/o permission]
    
    
    The march will start at 10:00 a.m. on the Mall between 7th and 14th
    streets and ends at 5:00 p.m.
    
    
    (Sympathy marches/rallies will be held in Paris, France and Oslo,
     Norway at noon (local time) in front of the American Embassy. A
     rally is also being considered in Bonn, Germany.)
    
    
    ~robin

    huh. i just got the NOW newsletter and there was an ad there that
    said the gathering starts at 10:30, the march starts at noon, and
    the rally starts at 1:30.
    
    thanks though...
    liz

I didn't realize that participants were being asked to dress in white, 
but I assume its because the orginal suffragettes did the same thing.  
The images it has conjured up in my mind are wonderful.  Here are a few:

Women in white lace gloves and garden hats (circa 1919), long skirts and 
high-button shoes, wearing bandoliers and carrying squirt gun Uzis.  
Banner: "New Suffragettes from Hell". I'd wear a skirt for this one, 
and it's been literally years since I last did that!

Womennoters in white, with (lavender?) sashes, a la the orginal 
suffragettes (wide satin, a rosette on the hip) with a =wn= logo and 
WOMANNOTER written across the sash...  white lace gloves with cut-off 
fingers, summer white combat boots, straw boater with "Ladies Sewing 
Circle and Terrorist Society" hatband optional...

I mean, even if your mother did tell you not to wear white before 
Memorial Day, this *IS* the 1980s...

    ooh! Catherine, what a concept.
    
    and I suppose I should try to shake out the old white summer uniform
    from my school-days...white middy-blouse, calf-length skirt, white
    cotton stockings and straw-hat
    
      Ann 

I just spoke with a woman from the National Headquarters of NOW (re.22 Ann, 
thanks for the phone number!) to see if they had more details about the 
march.

She said that the assembly starts at 10:15 a.m. (+/- 15 min  ;-}) and they 
figure it will take 'about' a couple of hours to organize the march 
participants.  The route has not been finalized yet (still working with the 
city police on this), although the rally following the march is suppose to
be on the west side of the Capital Building.  She also told me that the 
speakers have not been confirmed, and declined to comment on *who* they 
were asking to speak (but she did mention "people on a magnitude of Jesse 
Jackson").

I guess we will have to wait for the details to trickle in as April 
approaches.


~robin

< Note 325.109 by MOSAIC::IANNUZZO "Catherine T." >
                          -< Suffragettes from Hell! >-


>Women in white lace gloves and garden hats (circa 1919), long skirts and 
>high-button shoes, wearing bandoliers and carrying squirt gun Uzis.  
>Banner: "New Suffragettes from Hell". I'd wear a skirt for this one, 
>and it's been literally years since I last did that!

>Womennoters in white, with (lavender?) sashes, a la the orginal 
>suffragettes (wide satin, a rosette on the hip) with a =wn= logo and 
>WOMANNOTER written across the sash...  white lace gloves with cut-off 
>fingers, summer white combat boots, straw boater with "Ladies Sewing 
>Circle and Terrorist Society" hatband optional...


	Catherine,

	I love it - I will wear as close to the above as possible.

	When I was at the Acton NOW meeting they talked about wearing
	white and the lavender sashes and I thought to myself - "DO
	I have anything to would work" - now I would be willing to 
	go shopping for what is needed.

	_peggy
		With a	(-)  on the back?????
			 |

    Didn't yellow ribbons fit in there somewhere?
    

    
    re: .109  I love it too.  The image in my mind, of a multitiude
    of marchers all in white is a powerful one, and I love the humor
    of "New Suffragettes from Hell"!  I'll have to shop for anything
    white anyway, so it may as well be something pretty.
    
    CQ

    Hi,
    
    I'm planning to pick up some material, this weekend, to make a banner.
    Could you tell me what design, colors, lettering and size you want.
    
    If you're interested in working on this or have input, please send
    mail. (Otherwise it's going to be up to my mother & me - she has
    an old Singer :-) )
    
    -Weimin

    I'm the treasurer of NH NOW and I thought I'd put our bus prices
    in here, since others have been doing that.
    
    The buses will leave from Durham and Manchester.  We have a coach
    bus (has a bathroom) for $50 and a noncoach bus for $35.
    
    The buses will leave around 7:00 p.m. in Durham and at 8:00 in
    Manchester on Saturday, April 8.  They will arrive in Washington
    in early morning and leave after the march. Just in time to arrive
    fresh at work on Monday morning. :-)
    
    Also, NOW is asking that the banners be like what the suffragettes
    used.  They are a tri-colored banner, with a purple, gold, and white
    stripe.  I can't remember the order of the colors or anything like
    that.  But at least it gives you something to go by if you want
    to know what the rest of the banners will look like.
    
    There will be parade marshalls along the route that you can go to
    to find out where the official delegations will be gathering.  So
    if you want to be part of the Mass. crowd, at least the marshall
    will be able to direct you.  Otherwise, it may be difficult for
    all of you to find one another.
    
    I've spent a lot of time this week getting the NH details together.
     I'm getting PSYCHED!!!  I'll see you there...
    
    judy
    
    P.S.  Send me mail if you want further information.  I don't get
    to read this file that much.  But I'll read this note once a week
    or so until April 9.
    

    So far, my attendance list reads as follows: 
    
    Kate Donovan
    Lisa Veilleux
    Roberta Piket
    Weimen Tchen
    Maggie Tarbet
    Marilyn Irlbacher
    Arun Sankar
    Bonnie Reinke ??
    Mez Zurko
    Peggy Leedberg + daughter
    Betty Kelly
    Barbara Cobb
    Pat Jeffries
    Barbara Bazemore
    Liz Augustine
    Larry Turner??
    Ann Johnson
    Suzanne Poirier
    
    Who did I forget? Also, surprisingly I only heard from 2 men.
    
    Kate

    Okay, I think I may have a reasonable overall design for a banner (the
    colors still need to be worked out).  I would be *very* grateful if
    people who have experience of banners think about the dimensions.
    
    Body: 3 x 9 feet, muslin or similar-weight cloth.  Poles: 1 inch ash
    dowels 6 feet long.
    
    Design:  one of our community logos (the circle of women used on the
    tshirts) ca. 24 inches in diameter at each end.  In between, the legend
    
   	 			WOMEN 
        	               OF NOTE 
                	 Connected With Other 
	               Women All Over The World 
                                               
    in Schoolbook Bold, 10 inch letters for the top two lines, 6 inch
    somewhat condensed letters for the bottom two.  I can send a xerox if
    anyone wants to see it. 
    
    I was originally planning to just spraypaint the design, but as Weimin
    Tchen is also interested in working on the banner, if we have a few
    more people particularly with really good sewing experience, we could
    get together one saturday and do applique instead.  Anyone out there
    with that kind of skill and energy?  Please volunteer! 
    
    Since this banner is likely to be carried in many events, my thought
    was to attach 3 foot colored-ribbon streamers to the poles on which the
    names and dates of the events could be recorded along with the
    identities of those who participate.  My thought was that we could
    also attach unmarked streamers in cases such as this where we are
    asked to conform to a particular color scheme.
    
    
    Comments?
    
    						=maggie

    
    I'm not sure anymore that I can go. Evidently most people are planning
    to return Monday. I really need to be at work Monday. (Things
    are heating up here.)
    
    If there's any other way I can contribute, please let me know.
    
    Roberta

    You forgot Ann Leach.  Wouldn't miss it for the world.  Hope I can
    find you in the Mass. delegation.
    
    By the way, I'll be at the Hyatt on the mall Saturday night.
    Plan to return to pick up luggage and have a bite to eat.
    Anyone looking for a place to meet after the march?  Maybe the
    Hyatt would work.  
    
    I'll be checked out of the room by then, but they must have a 
    lobby, lounge, coffee shop, or restaurant.
    
    Ann
     

    RE:.121
    
    Sorry, Ann. 
    
    Kate

    New list:
    Kate Donovan
    Lisa Veilleux
    Roberta Piket?
    Weimen Tchen
    Maggie Tarbet
    Marilyn Irlbacher
    Arun Sankar
    Bonnie Reinke
    Mez Zurko
    Peggy Leedburg + daughter
    Betty Kelly
    Barbara Cobb
    Pat Jeffries
    Barbara Bazemore
    Liz Augustine
    Larry Turner?
    Ann Johnson
    Suzanne Poirier
    Ann Leach
    Robin Aagesen
    
    Since everyone will be with a state, will you non-Mass people
    please join us with the Mass delegation? We've got to be somewhere.
    Maybe we should be somewhere nuetral like Alaska. Only kidding.
    
    Also, Maggie, I am an artist. Although I primarily work in oils,
    I will help with the banner if necessary. My 2 little ones keep
    me bust so if you need me, I need notice. I am a terrible sewer.
    
    Kate
    
    Could someone please call me and tell me how to copy this list onto
    another note when I want to add or delete?           
                                               

    A correction to my note of .116.  The price for the coach bus is
    going to be $55, rather than $50.  When we called to reserve the
    bus and give them more details the company told us we had to get
    a hotel room for the driver, since we are going to be in the city
    for more than 8 hours.  Company policy, etc...
    
    Also, if Womannotes gets 20 people they can be an official delegation.
    I have a form that I'll be happy to send to one of you to fill out.
    It doesn't mean that you have to pay or anything, but at least you'll
    have an official "spot" that the parade marshalls can direct folks
    to.
    
    If you want the form, put your mailstop here and I'll send it along.
    The form doesn't say that you have to be an official NOW group,
    and since so many other groups are also sponsoring the march, I
    would think Womannotes could qualify!
    
    judy

    
    I am going too, as well as my sweetie.  I think it would be great if
    we could be an official delegation; I'll volunteer to do the paper 
    work -- my mail stop is MRO1-2/L14.
    
    Also, for those of you who may not have a room yet, there is an inn 
    that, as of yesterday, still had rooms available.  The guide book I 
    have says the rooms are $25-$75 for a single and $35-$75 for a 
    double.  (These figures may no longer be accurate, but maybe they're
    close.)  The only problem is that you have to arrive before 9:30 of 
    your first night's stay to pick up the key.  Our flight arrives at 
    10:00 Friday night and there's no way for us to get there earlier, 
    so we had to go somewhere else.
    
    The name of the inn is The Kalorama Guest House.  They evidently 
    have several houses around the city that they use.  The price of the
    room includes a continental breakfast.  They may also charge for a 
    parking space, if you intend to rent a car or drive your own down.
    The phone number to call is (202)667-6369.
    
    The inn we are staying at is The Tabard Inn.  The book says they 
    charge $43-$90 for a single and $69-$105 for a double; when I 
    reserved our room, I was quoted a price of between $98 and $119 per 
    night.  They had at least one room when I called, so maybe they have
    more.  Their number is (202)785-1277.

    I read in Travel and Leisure magazine that the weekend of the 9th is
    the National Cherry Blossom Festival weekend, so it's not just "the 
    season", it's the OFFICIAL season.  I expect that means rooms are at
    their tightest.
             
    See you all there...
    
    Christine

    
    I'll be there.
    
    am

I'll be there, too.

Catherine

    	I am planning on renting a van (seats 15 people) and going with a 
   group of Pro Choice supporters on Saturday Apr 8th. My Cousin has
   offered his house for us to spread our sleeping bags for 1 or 2 nights.
   We may drive back on Sunday night or early Monday morning.

	I already have 7 people signed up to go with me. If any one wants 
   to join let me know. We may start from either Nashua or Littleton DEC 
   facility.  We can pick up people from any DEC fecility on our way.

	I estimate the trip to  Cost about $20 + food. 
   ( $180(renting) + $90(gas) + $30(toll) = $300/15 = $20/each).
   I am willing to bear the cost for any one, who is hesitating due to
   money. In addition I know of people who can't go due child care reasons, 
   and are willing to help with money. So let not money deter you from joining us.

   Arun.
    
    
    

    Here is today's list:
    
    Kate Donovan
    Lisa Veilleux
    Roberta Piket
    Weimen Tchen
    Marilyn Irlbacher
    Arun Sankar
    Bonnie Reinke
    Mez Zurko
    Peggy Leedburg + daughter
    Betty Kelly
    Barbara Cobb
    Pat Jeffries
    Barbara Bazemore
    Liz Augustine
    Larry Turner?
    Ann Johnson
    Suzanne Poirier
    Ann Leach
    Robin Aagesen
    Jim Mackin
    Marty Jack
    Judy Blachek
    Christine Quiriy+ friend
    A M Lupacchino
    Catherine Iannuzzo
    
    That's 27 people so far. Unfortunately, only 4 are men. I'll keep
    you all posted.
    
    In Unity There is Strength,
    Kate 
    

    Cynthia Kagno and I will probably make it. We'd like to go by bus,
    so we'll check with Framingham NOW for a ride. (Unless someone can
    tell me of busses leaving from some place closer to Hudson.)

--David

    I'm going! We have a full car load at this point.
    Sandy Barry

    I talked  to a woman  from  Worcester NOW last night, and she said
    that  you  can order banners for particular groups from one place,
    so  all  the banners have the same colors. She promised to send me
    information  on  having banners made, and I'll post it here when I
    receive it.

--David

 Current list:
    Maggie Tarbet
    Lisa Veilleux
    Kate Donovan
    Roberta Piket
    Weimen Tchen
    Marilyn Irlbacher
    Arun Sankar
    Bonnie Reinke
    Mez Zurko
    Peggy Leedburg + Daughter
    Betty Kelly
    Barbara Cobb
    Pat Jeffries
    Barbara Bazemore
    Liz Augustine
    Larry Turner?
    Ann Johnson
    Suzanne Poirier
    Ann Leach
    Robin Aagesen
    Jim Mackin
    Marty Jack
    Judy Blachek
    Christine Quiriy + Friend
    A.M.Lupacchini       
    Catherine Iannuzzo
    Karen Sullivan
    Mandy Nason
    Cynthia Kagno
    David Wittenberg
    Sandy Barry
    Jane Halvorson
    
    We're 32 strong and GROWING! 
    
    By the way, There's a lecture being put on by the American Civil
    Liberties Union at Worcester Public Library on March 15th @ 7:30
    pm regarding the specifics of the laws regarding abortion. It's
    best to know the facts. I would like to go. I live 5 minutes away.
    Is anyone interested?
    
    In Unity There is Strength,
    Kate
    
                
    If I forgot anybody, I'll get ya on there next time. We're 32 strong!  
    

    Count me in!  I'm definitely going to be bringing one friend and
    maybe even two more!  Is everyone still planning on meeting for
    dinner at the Hyatt Saturday night?
    
    - L
    

    re: 325.135
    
    I'm interested in going to Worcester the 15th. Could you provide
    directions to the Public Library.
    
    Thanks,
    Sandy

    Sandy,
    
    Follow main street Worcester past the Galleria (big mall) which
    is set in on your left. Take that next left. I don't know the name
    of the street. The Library will be on your right. The windows are
    long and thin. I think the adress is on New Salem Street. If you
    get lost, ask anyone. If you want, I can meet you there. Call me
    if you're interested.
    
    Kate

Add Muggsie Rocco and Greg Rocco to the list. We are going also!

    Ok, I think we're sort of organized. Cynthia Kagno, Bonnie Reinke,
    and  I are going to take the bus from Framingham. I think Carolann
    Gillard  is  going too, or maybe she's just trying to get the rest
    of  us  to  go.  It  leaves Shopper's World at 11:30. If any other
    WomanNoters want to join us, contact Carolann (USEM::) Gillard for
    tickets.  They cost $35 round trip. If enough people come, I might
    mistake  it for a party and make something chocolate to eat on the
    way.

--David

re: the left to take on Main Street in Worcester to get to the library

 I think it's either Fulton st or Franklin St.

 The Doctah

    Does anybody know shorthand? :-)  I can't make the meeting in
    Worcester, but I'd enjoy reading a summary of what you learn there.
    
    Jane

    re:.142
    Jane, I sure don't know shorthand. I can't even type. But aside
    from being the world's worst secretary, I have a fairly good ear
    for detail and I'll keep you posted.
    
    Kate
    

Some information I just got from Worcester NOW:

    I have  a  "March  Participation Form" which is presumably what is
    needed  to  be  considered a delegation. It asks about our banner.
    Banners  should  be  purple  white  and  gold in vertical panels -
    replicas   of   banners   carried   by   the   Suffrage  movement.
    Unfortunately,  the  order deadline was March 1, so =maggie please
    take  this  as  guidance.  It  further  says  "Uniform banners are
    important  for their visual impact and their strategic link to the
    historic  fight  for women's rights ttha has been unde way in this
    country for over a century."

    Will someone  from  this  group  fill  out the participation form?
    =maggie?  Let me know and I'll send it along.

--David

    Well, if that's all the information available, it's unlikely that ours
    would conform to their guidelines even were we to try, David:  there's
    nothing there apart from basic colors and stripe orientation. 
    
    I'd like further guidance, gyns & guys:  are we carrying a banner to
    help out the organisers or to show our own identity and solidarity? The
    two goals won't mix very well unless everyone thinks that the purple/
    white/gold color scheme is a great one for our permanent banner too. 
                                                                         
    						=maggie

    oh, and yah sure, David, I'll fill up the form; send it along.

    
    I would feel uncomfortable if the banner expressed our identity
    and solidarity in a way that separates us from the rest of the marchers
    -- does that make any sense?  I was all for a banner at first, but
    now that I hear that NOW wants the banners to conform to a standard,
    and that standard is not clearly understood, I'm afraid that any "home 
    grown" banner won't conform, and then (if I was marching beneath it)
    I'd feel as though I was trying to be separate from the larger group.  
    (The point is probably moot, since last estimate I heard was for 1
    MILLION marchers, and that number is just to huge to comprehend.)
    
    CQ

    The reason I asked for guidance, Christine, is that the designs I've
    done have all been predicated on the idea that we want a *permanent*
    banner that groups of us can march under on many different occasions,
    one that can serve both as a way for us to find one another in a large
    crowd� and as a totem on which we can keep a record of our
    participation. 
    
    If the banner is to be a permanent one, then it should meet our needs
    rather than those of some particular event, and we should tie streamers
    to the poles to reflect the colors of any particular march (purple,
    white, and gold streamers in this case). 
    
    If the banner is NOT to be a permanent one, then I need to know that
    REAL SOON so that we can do something that doesn't take so much work
    and won't make us cry when we throw it away.
                                
    
    						=maggie 
                                                              
    
    
    � can you imagine trying to find one particular banner among 500
    virtually identical ones!?  On the other hand, I'm not sure *anything*
    would make much difference in a crowd of a MILLION people!  Holy
    catfish!

    
    
    if the banner is being made by applique, perhaps the appliqued parts
    could be _velcroed_ (snapped, hook-and-eye taped) on so that only the 
    background changes?
    
    i think a purple, gold and white banner would be just lovely, permanent
    or otherwise, and i'd like to "fit in" with the group. at the same
    time, i imagine there will be a _lot_ of non-conformant banners.
    
    liz

    I was thinking more on the lines of a place holder type of thing
    so that we could find one another inside the Massachusetts delegation.
    
    I think we'd leave it up to artist descretion. Maggie, What do YOU
    want to do? I would feel fine with your decision.  
    
    After all, there will probably be various groups marching. People
    from Planned Parenthood and the ACLU. etc.
    
    Kate
                                                     

    Add me to the list, Kate, I'll be there.
    
    And while California will be calling, I think I'll be joining
    the Massachusetts delegation for this event!  (BTW- If I can't 
    find the =wn= banner because we're lost in the millions, I'll 
    be *pissed*.)
    
    DougO

    Since the  description  of banners explicitly mentioned a tie to a
    100  year old tradition, it seems to me that that particular color
    choice  will be reasonable for quite a while. If we wanted to have
    a matching banner, there is an adress for orders, but the deadline
    is  March  1.  The  cost  is  about $75. We could ask for a better
    description  of  the  pattern,  or  simply  go our own way. I lean
    towards  using  the  "official" colors, and whatever pattern makes
    most sense to the artists making it.

    On a  seperate issue, the literature I have specifically asks that
    participants wear white.

--David

on the wearing white issue, I bought a pair of white lace gloves last 
night ($2.99 at Woolworth's).  I've found a charming white straw boater.
I think I'll wear it with a white shirtwaist (long skirt), lavender
necktie, and a "Suffragettes from HELL" jacket I'm planning to put 
together from Goodwill scavengings...

    There will be folks at the march called Parade Marshals.  There
    will be two of these for each delegation, trying to keep the delegation
    together.  Then there will be Parade Facilitators.  These are the
    people that you want to go to to find out where your Delegation
    is assembling.  
    
    I sent the official NOW form that you send it to form a delegation
    to Christine Q.  That way, Womannotes will have an official spot
    in the march.  You should be able to find them by asking the
    facilitators, who will have the delegations mapped out.
    
    This might mean that Womannotes isn't near the MASS delegation.
     But who knows???
    
    judy

    
    Should our delegation be called "Women of Note"?
    What about the men in our midst?  
    
    Any other suggestions for delegation name?  I've heard from Judy
    Blachek that there is (or may be) a March 20th deadline for 
    submitting the delegation paper work, so I'd like to mail it next 
    week, say next Wednesday.  I'd like the banner name to be echoed
    by the delegation name -- is there any reason for doing so? -- but
    we won't all be women.  Is this a problem?
    
    CQ

RE: 325.135 

I'll be at the lecture in Worcester.  Anybody interested in have dinner before 
hand?  Send me mail - NRPUR::NASON.

Mandy

well, I have purchased The Hat.  It's a white straw boater-style (flat 
crown, flat brim, wider than the a true boater, but appropriate turn-of-
the century sporty wear).  The hatband is black grosgrain ribbon with 
white polka-dots, with a flurry of ribbon in a bow at the back.
(For anyone who cares, similar hats are available at Bradlees.  Many
other chains are stocking something of this sort for Easter wear).

The complete look so far:

Hat
White lace gloves
White skirt (not exactly ankle length, but long enough)
White shirt with tie (I'm waffling between lavender knit and black 
leather with studs :-)
Long white cardigan.  I'm working on the design that will go on the back 
of it.  I has flames and the legend: "Suffragettes from HELL" in a 
suitably lurid design.
Mirror shades.
Ladylike, ankle-high white sneakers.

Now, would studded leather wristbands be too much?  What about your 
basic hardware-store chain?

    seesh, Catherine, my note sounds pretty tame after yours (and why
    not try tasteful stainless steel link chains :-) ).
    
    anyway, I found out this weekend that my oldest son will also
    be at the April 9th March. He's going on a bus with his college.
    
    Bonnie

                          <** Moderator Response **>

    As Bonnie asked in an rx I just deleted :-)  please let's keep this
    string dedicated to planning.  Topic 183 is devoted to opinion and
    argument about abortion as such.
    
    						=maggie

    I've received a flyer discussing another March and Rally the week
    before Washington, in San Francisco 2 April.  It contains outright
    solicitations and I don't want to post it (due to Digital solicitation
    policies).  Please contact me by email if you're interested in this flyer.
                                     
    DougO

    I haven't the energy to read all the replies, and don't seem to
    have enough knowledge about moving around in notes to find exactly
    what I am looking for.
    
    So...when all of us bright-eyed and bushy-tailed =wn= get there,
    *how* do we find =wn= groups, are there any *specific* places where
    most of us will be hanging out [or hanging on, whatever the case
    may be] or will our =wn= groups be scattered all over?
    
    Someone in the 13 member-van group I will be with was wondering if we
    should/could, [and if so, what] use something like balloons to find
    each other.
    
    I believe the above is a bit jumbled, but if it can be sorted out
    and anyone can answer any of my questions, please do so.
    
    **I can just imagine what DC is going to look like: 60 zillion women
    trying to do their thing while 30 zillion pairs of eyeballs try
    to view the cherry blossom festival while trying not to get stomped
    on by the 60 zillion marching women.  
    
    Marilyn
          

    well, we'll have a banner, but balloons sound like a great idea, too.
    (purple, gold, and white ones?) rumor has it that we're an "official
    group", which means that there will supposedly be someone we can ask
    questions of (like "where is my group"). finding _that_ person,
    though, might be a good trick!!
    
    liz
   

    My understanding  (from  the vantage of the third assistant to the
    second  backup  contact  of  the =wn= group) is that there will be
    "marshalls"  or  some  such who will direct you to your state, and
    within  the  state  to  your  group.  I  believe  we will be under
    Massachusetts.  I  don't  remember if our group is "WomanNotes" or
    "Women of Note".

--David

I'll be going down with my friend Cate and I'll try look out for the
Digital contigent and hopefully meet some real live -wm-er's!

john

    Latest List of attendees
    
    Maggie Tarbet		Robin Aagesen          		
    Lisa Veilleux               Jim Mackin
    Kate Donovan                Marty Jack
    Roberta Piket               Judy Blachek
    Weimen Tchen                Christine Quiriy + Friend
    Marilyn Irlbacher           A.M. Luppacchini
    Arun Sankar                 Catherine Iannuzzo
    Bonnie Reinke               Karen Sullivan
    Mez Zurko                   Mandy Nason
    Peggy Leedberg + daughter   Cynthia Kagno
    Betty Kelly                 David Wittenberg
    Barbara Cobb                L.Bachelder + Friend
    Pat Jeffries                Muggsie Rocco and Gregg
    Barbara Bazemore            Carolyn Gillard
    Liz Augustine               Gregg Olson
    Larry Turner?               Les Slater and SO and son
    Ann Johnson                 Sarah Kahn
    Suzanne Poirier             Charles Hayne
    Ann Leach                   John Heffernan and Cate
                                                                
    Has the paperwork been sent in to make us an official delegation?
    
    What is the status on a banner?
    
    In Unity There is Strength,
                       
    Kate
    

    
    Are we a delegation?  I think so.  I sent the paperwork in awhile
                          ago, but haven't heard anything back.  I
                          don't know if I _will_ hear anything back,
                          but if I do, I'll post the info here.
    
    What's our name?      We are Women of Note.  
    
    Where're we from?     Well, I had to pick a state, so I picked 
                          New Hampshire.  (Or, Nude Hampster, as I saw
                          in some other conference.)
    
    So, I guess, as David said a few back, that when we get there, there
    will be marshalls, or officials-of-some-sort, and you can just ask
    them where Women of Note are located.  I like the balloon idea,
    too -- it may not help (if there are thousands of other balloons)
    but it's not likely to hinder.
    
    Christine

    re .167 That's Cow Hampshire, except for the southern end
    of the state - New Chusetts

    Can't believe how we've grown since around Note 160!  
    
    Yes, how to find you?  So, Kate, you're saying that Women of Note
    will be marching with New Hampshire rather than Massachusetts?
    
    Hope I can march with Women of Note even if out of costume?  Well,
    
    I mean, not wearing white, lace, and army boots.
    
    I wanted to revisit the idea of dinner on Saturday night for those
    who will be arriving then.  We talked about getting together at
    the HYatt Regency, which is located on the Mall.  Time:  Around
    8 p.m.   If I have an idea of the numbers, I can reserve a table
    where we can find each other.
    
    Also, if anyone is desperate, I've reserved a room at the Hyatt
    Saturday, and would welcome a roommate.  Room is (total) $89 for the night.
    I do smoke, so a fellow smoker might be more comfortable.
              
    Ann
    

    
    Then, there's the other end of the march...Does anyone have plans
    for AFTER the march?  I suppose it's hard to predict how everything
    
    will go and how long it will last.  But wondered about using the
    
    Hyatt as a handy meeting place after the march, too -- I expect
    to return to the lobby to pick up luggage and wait for a 9:40 plane.
    Anyone want to join me? 
    
    Ann

    Ann,
       
    I am wearing white. Jeans and a sweatshirt, white. Nothing too
    elaborate. Christine put our delegation in New Hampshire. Fine
    with me. There are about 4 of us who will meet you at the Hyatt
    in my party. If no one else shows up we'll still have a blast! 
    
    Is everyone getting keyed up for this? I am.
    
    Kate
    
    

    Yesterday the president of NH NOW got the final route and other
    details.  The march is assembling around the Washington monument.
    There will be official March Facilitators who will be wearing purple
    sashes.  These will be the people with the maps to show where the
    different delegations are assembling.  Any of them should be able
    to tell you where Women of Note are assembling--if they can't they
    should be able to direct you to someone else who does know.
    
    I am getting very psyched!  I'm keeping track of the NH folks on
    the buses and every day I get about  15 more people wanting to go
    on the bus.  
    
    I'll be marching with the NH NOW delegation, but I hope to see Women
    Of Note.  I've been telling everyone about the Sufragettes from
    Hell!
    
    Judy

    Final March Details from NOW.

    I got an info packet yesterday and there's lots of good info in it --
    anyone who wants a copy, let me know via mail and I'll send you one.
    I can't answer questions -- all I know is what I've gotten from the
    NOW literature, which I've typed in here.

    There's some info on the first page that tells where buses should 
    park, depending on what direction you approach the city from.  I
    don't think it's necessary to enter that here.  (Does anyone want
    or need that info?)

    The Metro is opening at 8 a.m. on Sunday.  Metro employees will be
    selling fare cards on the sidewalk near the entrance.  The fare for
    march participants to and from the event will be $1.60/person.  The
    closest stops to the Washington Monument are Smithsonian or Federal
    Triangle (blue/orange lines) or Metro Center (red line).

    Facilitators will be wearing purple sashes.

    IMPORTANT!

      First, NOW needs to know, as accurately as possible, how many 
      people will be marching.  So, those of you who plan to march with
      the Women of Note delegation, please send me mail.  I'll respond 
      back to you, by Friday, this week, with the list of respondants, 
      and that way you will know that you have been counted.

    FACILITATORS!

      NOW needs lots of workers.  There will be briefing sessions for 
      facilitators the week leading up to the march.

      Facilitators are needed for general duty, button/sash sales, 
      fundraising collection, and last-minute tasks.  (They also want a
      facilitator for each delegation, and I'm supposed to mail this form
      back, so I will volunteer to be our facilitator -- I'll also 
      willingly share the duties with anyone who volunteers.)  Anyone who
      wants to pick up some of the other duties, I'd bet you can 
      volunteer just by going to one of the briefing sessions listed 
      below.

      Here are the dates, times & locations of the briefings:
  
      -  Tuesday, April 4 and Thursday, April 6, 6:30-9:00 p.m.
         First Congregational Church
         945 G Street, NW 
         (one block from Metro Center).

      -  Saturday, April 8 12:30, 3:30, and 7:00 p.m.
         Capitol Hilton, Congressional Room
         16th and K Streets NW
         (across from NOW office)

      -  Sunday, April 9, continuous briefings beginning at 7:00 a.m.
         Washington Monument grounds (assembly site)

    HOTELS

      For hotel info, call Vicki Ferguson, 1-800-228-0861.

    ASSEMBLY
      
      10 a.m. on the Washington Monument grounds (between 15th and 17th
      Streets and Constitution and Independence Avenues, NW).  Marchers 
      will assemble by delegation.  Delegations will be assigned to 
      specific areas on the grounds.  When you arrive at the assembly 
      site, look for a purple-sashed facilitator, tell that person the 
      name of your delegation, and she or he will direct you to your 
      assigned area.  It is important to assemble your delegation as 
      early as possible.  Kickoff rally, 10:45; speakers and 
      entertainers.  

    MARCH

      Step-off at 12:00 noon sharp.  Up Constitution Avenue, right on 1st
      Street NE, past the Supreme Court to the US Capitol Building; 
      enter Capitol grounds off 1st Street and walk around to West side 
      for rally.  (approx. 2 miles to Court; shortcut to Capitol 1 mile).
      Rally begins at 1:30 p.m.

      Pacifica radio, WPFW, 89.3 FM, will be broadcasting live; you may
      want to bring a portable radio.

    RALLY

      Capitol West side, 1:30 p.m.; speakers and celebrities; rally ends 
      at 5:00 p.m.

    GENERAL NEEDS

      Concession stands offering food and drink will be around the 
      assembly and rally sites.  Because of the crowds expected, we 
      encourage you to bring your own food and drink, too.  Dressing in 
      layered light weight clothing is encouraged, as the day will get 
      warmer.  Portable [sic] comfort facilities will be provided; in
      addition, museum facilities will be open along the march route.

    SPECIAL NEEDS 

      Special transportation will be available for those who are unable 
      to walk or negotiate the march route; please register with the 
      National NOW March Office at 202-331-0066.  Alternative 
      transportation will be available at the corner of 15th and Madison 
      Streets at the assembly site.  Special seating will be provided at
      both the assembly and rally sites.  Signing for the hearing 
      impaired will be provided at both sites, with seating near the 
      signers.

    This is to answer the question "why New Hampshire?" in case some 
    of you are wondering.

    The form I filled out wanted to know which NOW chapter our 
    delegation was coordinating with.  I'm not a member of NOW, so I 
    wasn't coordinating with any chapter.  I don't think of =wn= as 
    having a state of origin, or a "home town" -- I think of notes 
    conferences, =wn= included, as existing everywhere in the world.

    I don't know the participants of this conference well enough to 
    know if there is a majority of people from "state X" going to 
    Washington, so I couldn't match the delegation with that.  I know 
    that at least one person is flying out from somewhere to the west,
    and that some other DECcies will be there who are not from a New 
    England state.

    It was clear to me that I'd have to choose a state if I wanted to 
    fill in the application form completely, and I wanted to do that 
    because I feared that failing to do so would automatically cause 
    the application to be rejected.  A call to my local NOW chapter 
    didn't help; the woman who returned my call didn't have an answer 
    or an opinion.

    So, I picked the NOW chapter of the woman who'd sent me the form.
    And that happened to be Nude Hampster.

    So, would all those who are marching in the Women of Note 
    delegation please send me mail.  NOW wants to get as accurate a
    count as possible and they are either going to call me, or I will
    call them with our number.

    Thanks,

    Christine

    Christine,
    
    I'd like to express my appreciation for all the work you're doing on
    this project. It's clearly a necessary task, one that i didn't have
    extraneous energy for, and i'm really glad you picked it up.
    
    thanks!
    liz 

    Well, I've decided to go, too. It looks like I'll be coming down
    with the South Middlesex NOW, but I'll hook up with the Womannotes
    ASAP.
    
    Does anyone have any approximate idea as to the length of the march,
    how many miles?
    
    Tamzen

    Tanzen,
          
    I don't know how many miles the route is but it is going to last
    at least 3 hours.
    
    Kate
     
    P.S. We're all glad you're coming. I usually shy away from collective
    "we's" but not in this case. Welcome.
    

    re: .176, Liz.  Thank you.
                         
    re: .177, Tamzen.  I'd guess the route is 3 miles.  The wording
    in the latest bulletin is ambiguous -- or I'm dense -- but it 
    appears to be 3 miles.
                  
    CQ

    As I understand it, the march itself will last from noon to 1:30.
    Then we start in with the after march rallies.  If any of you need
    transportation, National NOW has vans for those among us who are
    physically handicapped (or challenged, if you will).
    
    You need to call National NOW to register for that.  The number
    is: (202) 347-2279.
    
    Yesterday I got reservations for *46* people in the mail.  (NH NOW's
    deadline is today, so I'm willing to bet I'll get a lot today.)
    I'd say there will be 240 people there from NH, just on the buses!
    
    judy
    
    P.S.  This is the most money I've ever seen, and *none* of it is
    mine!  Sigh.

    
    I maybe repeating myself but the last time I was in DC for a mega-march,
    it took hours before the last contingent moved into the street.
    Because of the delay, my group  missed a lot of the post-march rally.
    
    This may or may not happen at on 4/9 but I'm gonna be prepared to
    do a lot of waiting!
    
    am

    That's my sense of what'll happen too, AM; I can't help but think the
    organisers either expect many fewer than 1M people, don't care about
    the feelings of the women who'll miss the rally, or have incredibly
    sucky planning skills. 

    In the Globe this morning, there is a mention of some of the
    celebrities who are planning to attend the rally. They include
    Morgan Fairchild, Donna Mills, Glenn Close, Kelly McGillis, Cybil
    Shepherd, Susan Saradon, Marlo Thomas, Polly Bergen, Ellen Burstyn,
    Teri Garr, Veronica Hamel, and Valerie Harper.
    
    

    I am glad all these well respected actresses are going to speak.
    I also hope to see women in politics and religion and other po-
    sitions of leadership. 
    
    Kate
    

According to Boston NOW...

There are radio stations in Boston (and in major metropolitan cities across the
country) who are refusing to do ANY type of publicity for the March for
Reproductive Rights of Women in Washington because the topic is too
controversial.
    
     	They are:
    
     	WBZ	787 - 7000
     	WZLX 	267 - 0123
     	WODS 	436 - 2200
     	WXKS 	396 - 1430
     	WMJX 	542 - 0241
    
I think this calls for LOUD and LONG protesting! I'm going to call the General
Manager of each of these stations and let them know how I feel. I encourage
each and everyone of you to do the same. 

Hey, we could keep all their phone lines busy with pro-choice
callers protesting such blatant censorship and disregard for women's lives! 

Letters are also very effective!  I'll draft a sample letter and post it as a
reply for anyone who would like to send a letter.

This is censorship by the very people
who promise to keep up apprised of all the "late breaking" news. and "hot
news items"!  

Let's show them they are dealing with a powerful force! 


  
                                                       
    

    Yes, there will be other leaders to speak.  I know they were trying
    to get Barbara Harris, the first Episcopal Bishop.  I don't know
    if they got her.
    
    Re: -.1
    
    Last Friday's Globe had an article about the radio stations refusing
    to air the ad.  Most of them did not like the format--it simulated
    a newscast.  Or at least that's the excuse they gave ...
    
    BCN and ZOU are airing the ad, I think.  But I haven't heard it
    since I don't listen to the radio.
    
    Re: the rally and the large crowd
    
    I'm not sure how anyone would get a crowd that size to end up at
    the finish near the same time.  It's the same problem that the Boston
    Marathon has, or any parade that I've ever seen.  That's why it's
    a good idea to bring along your portable radios to catch what is
    going on at the other end of the crowd.
    
    judy

    "April 9th Coalition for Choice" is providing transportation as well:

    Busses will leave Shoppers' World, Framingham, on Saturday Evening.
    $35 per person, round trip (subsidies available).  Call (508) 653-8560
    or (508) 877-5456 for information and alternative transportation.
    
    April 9th Coalition for Choice, PO Box 3313, Framingham, MA 01701
    
    April 10th: you can join CfC to lobby on Capitol Hill for ERA and against
    antiabortion legislation as well.
    
    \VA

    
                                                                     

    re: .188
    
    There *are* still some (maybe eight or ten) spaces available on
    the Coalition for Choice/South Middlesex NOW busses.  We had run
    out of space last week, but were able to find another bus!  If you
    are interested, though, you might want to send me MAIL right away.
    I'm the lucky (!) person that's getting the checks, assigning the
    seats, mailing the tickets, etc. for the Choice/NOW busses.  As
    of late last night, we did have eleven tickets left - not counting
    the reservations in the mail.
    
    Carolann
    

    We just finished the banner and it looks *SWELL!*  We reckon that
    it took roughly 108 womanhours of effort over the last 2 weekends.
    
    It is 3x9 feet, just barely offwhite with a technicolor (12 color)
    rendition of our tshirt design at each end, and for text
    
                         WOMEN OF NOTE              [in gold] 
                   Connected With Each Other        [in purple]
                All Over The World---By Computer                
    
    in the center.  The whole thing is applique work with about 50 yards
    of black braid outline to highlight the colors.  It can be carried
    with either a horizontal bar thru the top, waist-high, or with a
    vertical pole at each end overhead.
                            
    Two sewing machines are for the scrap heap, and we'll all have to have
    a comprehensive course of psychotherapy before we'll be able to
    resume a normal life.  Anyone who doesn't positively *grovel* with 
    appreciation will be impaled with 1400 needles, wrapped in the 
    remaining braid, and dropped into Boston Harbor with curtain weights 
    on their ankles. 
    
    						=maggie

    
    =maggie,
    
    that banner sounds fantastic! much thanks to the women who contributed
    *each one* of the womenhours.
    
    ~robin
    

    
    It sounds wonderful!  1,000,000 thanks for all the work!
    
    CQ

    Ummm, I think that "WOM" and "Connected With" look a bit crooked.
    
    						Ann B.

    Thanks Maggie and Co. 
    
    In Unity There is Strength! (is anyone getting tired of reading
    that?)                                
    
    Kate

    I extend many thanks now.
    
    As I do a much better grovel in person, I'll save 'til Sunday for
    full effect.
    
       Ann

    
    And here's part of the company as I know it:
    
    Catherine T. Iannuzzo
    Maggie Tarbet
    Liz Augustine
    Ann Broomhead
    Marilyn Irlbacher
    Naomi Kveen, Catherine's mother who acted as cook for the crew
    
    and I'm not sure who else...but thanks, gyns, for the tremendous
    effort. The unfinished banner looked pretty fine...I can hardly
    wait to see the finished product on Sunday!
    
    am
    p.s. apologies to anyone I've left off list

    Thanks, AM, we were all so punchy and giggly when I wrote the
    announcement that nobody noticed that I left off the names!  (You
    gottem all)  And Naomi also did chunks of the fitting and sewing, she
    wasn't *just* a swell cook!
    
    						=maggie 

    Since I'm in California and won't be making the rally, would it
    be too much to ask for a picture of the banner?  It sounds wonderful!
    
    Jodi-

    I'm trying to plan what to take in re food and beverages for
    the march, extra socks underwear, etc.. esp for bus riders..
    
    ideas here or a sep note?
    
    Bonnie

    First off, I have some bad news, or what I think is bad news.  National
    NOW has decided to assemble delegations by affiliation, and not
    by states.  That is, first you'll have the bizillion NOW groups,
    then Planned Parenthood, then NARAL, and so on.  This means that
    there is probably no way different delegations from the same state
    will be near each other.
    
    I'm really disappointed because I'm going with the NH NOW group
    and will miss seeing all the beautiful Women of Note.
    
    What it also means is that if the people from the bus want to march
    in different delegations it is a logistical nightmare getting back
    to the buses.  
    
    NOW's rational for this is to show the cross-organizational support.
    But I think we lose out on this one.
    
    I'll write another note about what to bring along with you to answer
    note 200.
    
    Judy

    In NH NOW's confirmation letter, we told people to plan for the
    following when going on the bus:
    
    Weather
    
    Here the rule is: Plan for Everything!  Bring along clothing for
    cool, hot, or rainy weather.  You can leave what you don't need
    on the bus.
    
    Shoes and Hat
    
    Wear comfortable shoes.   We'll be standing and then walking for
    several hours and you'll want to be comfortable.  Bring along a
    hat, just in case it is bright and sunny.
    
    Food
    
    Bring along a canteen or other container of water for the march.
    There will be food to buy, but you may want to bring along your
    own for convenience, cost, and personal taste.
    
    Bus Ride
    
    You may want a pillow and blanket to make sleeping a little more
    possible.
    
    Banners & Posters
    
    If you want to bring them, certainly do.  But you may want to rig
    them up so you are wearing them.  It can get tiring carrying so
    much stuff.
    
    Miscelleaneous Stuff
    
    Bring along enough money to buy souveniers, buttons, food, or anything
    else you might want.  Also, bring along toiletries such as sunscreen,
    asprin, and tampons to be prepared for any emergency.
    
    I hope this helps!
    
    See you at the march!
    
    Judy

    Another good thing to stuff in the backpack is those boxed juices.
    They travel well and don't weigh much.  Raisins are a nice light
    snack.   

    <--(.199)
    
    Catherine had the foresight to recognise that we'd want pictures of the
    construction, so we took a raft of them with her camera at various
    stages of the construction, including the final one with three of us
    including her daughter Ariane holding the finished banner up and
    grinning like tired fools.  As soon as they're developed, I'm quite
    sure we can send them 'round.
    
    						=maggie

    For those of us who aren't able to attend except in spirit,
    to whom the banner sounds glorious, and who would love to be
    able to share the day of those who go, I do hope some of the
    march attendees will share the day with us and write of your
    experiences.
    
    Judy (whose non_DEC daughter IS going after reading these notes
          which I printed out for her)

     Judy,
    
    If you and any others who aren't able to attend the March can
    make it to the party April 15th there will be marchers in attendance
    who will be able to tell you about the day.
    
    Bonnie

    Kate,
    
    Oh good - I'll be informal, too.  Well, a pantsuit.
    
    Looks like we'll have quite a group at the Hyatt -- 15 so far!
    I heard from Lauri, who plans to bring 7 others, plus Barbara
    Bazemore and Marty Jack.  Can't wait to meet all these people.
    
    I'll call the Hyatt on Thursday, when I expect we'll have a final
    count.  
    
    Ann
    

    
    Maggie,
    
    Banner sounds gorgeous!  I HOPE I find you and it.  Will be proud
    
    to march under it.
    
    Ann
    

    
    Would a video diary be feasible at all, or is that to much hassle?
    I know very little about trying to tape events such as this....would
    you be able to hear what's going on from the tape?
    
    It *sounds* like it might be a good idea for sharing the weekend
    with those who weren't able to attend, but I'm not sure of the
    logistics.
    
    rla
    

    Judy,
    
    Maybe you can join some of the Womannoters on Sat night a 8:00 for
    dinner at the Hyatt in Washington (on the mall).   Depends on
    when you get to Washington, of course.
    
    About 15 people so far will be meeting there.  Can you make it?
    
    Ann
    

    RE: 210
    
    I've been toying with the idea of whether to bring my 35mm or my
    video camera.  I won't be able to tote or operate both obviously
    but I can't decide which to bring.  We have a small 8mm which we
    brought on our vacation - its great - it fits in my fanny pack and
    is really light and easy to use.  But I just don't know if it will
    detract from the whole experience of the march - or if the film
    I take will be inspiring to others.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
    I've never been to this large of an event before, so someone else
    may have some suggestions.
                              
    Suzanne

    I think having a video cam is a great idea...it will be really easy
    to use during the rally.  During the march you may want to run ahead
    and then tape the people that you were marching with.
    
    A LOT of people will be taking photos (including me) and I'm sure
    you can get copies of those.  But a video would be so different.
    You could also take some of the rally in Manchester, to get a local
    perspective too.  (Since I know you are taking the bus from there.)
    
    Re: 211
    
    Do you mean me, by Judy?  If so, I hope to make it to the Hyatt
    at some point.  I need to get together with the president of NH
    NOW, who is going there separately and is staying at the Hyatt Crystal
    City.  I'm staying at the Grand Hyatt Washington.  Is that the Hyatt
    you mean for dinner?  Or do you mean the Hyatt Regency Washington?
    
    Why don't they use meaningful names???  
    
    I may only make it there for a drink or something.  At that point,
    I probably will need one!  (Hell, I need one now!)  I'm still getting
    lots of calls from people wanting to go on the bus, but we have
    run out of time to organize things properly.  I'm totally hyper
    and driving everyone I know crazy!  But, they are happy that things
    are going well and know I'll be back to normal at some point.  Who
    knows what I'll be like on Saturday night?
    
    Let me know which Hyatt it is and I'll decide whether to commit
    to dinner.
    
    judy

    Hey Judy,
    
    Have a drink.  ^  ^
                 C O  O D
                     >
    Kate           \__/
                   
                   |><|
    
    P.S. Ann, please find out which Hyatt. I'll be there and I don't
         even know which one.
                         
    

    I agree that the video would be the right one to bring!  I think
    there'll be a LOT of still cameras around (maybe even mine), but
    damn' few vids.
    
    That'd be nice to have to show at the party, wouldn't it?

    Well, I guess I'll bring the video camera.  You are probably right.
    My friend is bringing her camera - the reason I couldn't decide
    is 35mm is my first love - but I think the video could be quite
    moving.
    
    RE: 215 nice to have to show at the party,...
    
    Unfortunately I have plans for the 15th but if anyone is going to
    the party from the southern N.H. area I'd be happy to make a copy
    of it and give it to them to bring.  That's assuming that the party
    giver (Dave?) has a VHS/BETA/or 8mm video player or a party goer
    has an 8mm camera that they can bring and use as a VCR.  Just let
    me know which style to make the copy and who to give it to!!

    Before this past Sunday, I'd never done this kind of assembly-
    march-rally before either; I'd hoped to write a detailed trip report
    but there is absolutely no way, this week.  So here are at least
    a few short notes on the experience, offered here as food-for-thought
    as we all get ready for Sunday.
    
    San Francisco- Assembly was called for 11AM at Justin Herman Plaza
    near the Embarcadero area.  Due to daylight savings and half-a-dozen
    other disasters I was mega-late so I stayed on BART one extra stop,
    to join the march mid-route.  I came up about 6 blocks into the
    march at 12:45, after they'd stepped off at noon.  I walked right
    into the middle of the commotion!  Hundreds of people on Market
    street in every direction, banners, chants, hubbub galore.  I was
    totally impressed by the number of men in the march, there were
    lots of us (several of the rally speakers commented on that too,
    including Holly Near).  I eventually realized I was ahead of the
    NOW groups so drifted back through the march (actually just let
    people march by me) and joined in with the Palo Alto Chapter and
    talked to some folks there as we marched.  We spent another hour
    going another mile and a half, and between 2 and 2:30 finished 
    arriving at the Civic Center Plaza.  We passed porta-pottys at 
    the end of the march, upon entering the rally plaza; the lines
    didn't look bad, but there'd better be lots more in Washington 
    this weekend.                   
    
    On the steps of City Hall, they had a rally platform and huge
    loudspeakers.  In the center of the plaza were information and
    sign-up booths from numerous groups, including signups to defend
    clinics against Operation Rescue (they're on the west coast this 
    month).  I bought some buttons, they also had t-shirts and other
    stuff for sale.  Near the back end of the plaza (1/4 mile from the
    front) they had concessions for pizza and sandwiches and other
    foodstuffs.  All over the plaza, in the (dry for now) fountains,
    people were standing or sitting listening to the rally speakers.
    Banners were tied up all over the place.  We heard about a dozen
    speakers, all of whom were accompanied by someone "signing" the
    speeches for the hearing-impaired.  The speakers included the heads
    of several national organizations (incl Catholics for Legal Abortions
    or something like that), 3 speakers from the California assembly
    (incl the speaker, Willy Brown), women who'd had illegal abortions,
    radical lesbians, a woman from Nicaragua whose speech was translated
    from Spanish every sentence, and Holly Near.  At the end of her
    speech, she taught us a chorus and sang an a capella song which
    resonated through the city, it was the place to be.  The civic center
    plaza was so jammed during the first hour of the rally that once
    you'd moved into the crowd there was absolutely no way to move around
    or go anywhere; I couldn't turn around without bumping people so
    mostly folks just settled in and waited to hear, to applaud, to
    feel the strength of the crowd.
    
    I was carrying a backpack with 1 qt water, 1 can soda, an apple,
    a sandwich, a paperback, and a clipboard.  I didn't take any notes,
    the experience was a bit too overhelming for me to just detach and 
    write about it.  I only opened the backpack to pull out an overshirt 
    when it lightly drizzled on us, and later on to stuff it back in when
    the sun came out.  I drank some water, but nothing else.  The paperback
    was useful on BART (an hour from Fremont, and an hour back afterwards).
    This weekend, I plan to carry 1 qt water again, and only dried fruit
    and granola for snacks; a paperback (well, 2; one for me, one for
    Bonnie!) and toiletries.  I hope to stash my duffel luggage in a
    locker at the airport before the march, because lugging it around
    would be awful.
    
    I was on my feet from 12:30 leaving BART until around 4:30 and my
    legs got tired.  This week, I think it will be twice as long, if
    not more, and it will probably be grueling.  Moral; plan to carry 
    as little as possible, and equip it with a shoulder strap.
    
    Surprising news department: my father will be marching, too; he's
    coming up from Raleigh NC with my stepmother.  Way to go, Dad!
    (Way to go, Nancy ;-)!  I hope to see him for lunch Saturday, but 
    we've both agreed meeting Sunday will probably be impossible.
    
    DougO

    
    re: .202 
    
    Judy, I'm not quite clear on what your response means as far as 
    WoN goes.  Do you mean that we will be in with the NOW delegations, 
    but not necessarily near NH, even though I picked NH as the NOW 
    office I was "coordinating" with?
    
    CQ

    
    HI Judy,
    
    It's the Hyatt Regency at 400 New Jersey Ave., NW.  
    
    Will let you know which dining room after I make reservations.
    
    Ann
    

       Does anyone have anymore details on exactly where we are meeting?

       I am heading down tomorrow morning, so I won't see any updates 
       after today.  Any additional info you may have will be helpful.

       As I understand it, we will be with the 'Other' organizations near
       the back of the pack since we are not an official NOW delegation.

       I'm really getting psyched...

       Mandy

    I won't be joining you all on Sunday but wanted you to know
    that I'm sending best wishes and thoughts of support.  May
    the rally go well and may the weather be fine with the Cherry 
    trees in full blossom.
    
    Steve
     

    
    To folks who've asked about Saturday night dinner:
                             
    Saturday night dinner in Washington:
    
    So far, I've heard from 16 people.  Made reservations for 16 
    for 8:00 p.m. Saturday night in the Park Promenade Dining Room 
    on the lobby level of the Hyatt Regency Hotel, 400 New Jersey Ave.,
    NW.
    
    I made the reservations under the name "Notes."  (Clever, huh?)
    
    These are the people who've said they plan to be there.  (Let me
    know if I missed anyone!)
                                        
    Lauri and seven friends
    Barbara Bazemore
    Marty Jack
    Kate and four friends
    Kathryn Begley
    
    Ann
    

    ----->     Women of Note is an official NOW delegation.      <-----

    After reading Mandy's response (it's a few back) I called NOW to see 
    if delegation positioning information was avaliable; I was told that 
    that information is not available, and will not be available, even 
    to facilitators, till Sunday morning.  They haven't finished plotting
    everyone on the grid yet, and they do not expect to finish till 
    sometime Saturday.  The woman I spoke to said that I should tell my 
    delegation members (you, dear readers) the following:

    Be at the Washington monument by 10 am Sunday morning.  Facilitators 
    will be there, and they will be wearing lavendar sashes.  They will 
    have a list of delegation names and their positions, and if you tell 
    them the name of your delegation, they will tell you where to go.

    Does someone want to volunteer to be our delegation's facilitator?
    I don't know what being a facilitator-for-a-specific-delegation 
    means, other than that you'll have to go to a facilitator's briefing 
    beforehand.  If you are curious, maybe you can find out more by 
    calling national NOW at 202-331-0066.  If someone volunteers, I'll 
    post the when and where info for the briefings.  (I'll post that
    info if anyone's interested, whether they feel ready to commit or 
    not...)

    Christine

    
    Is the "official" name of our delegation "Women of Note"?

    I'm still confused as to where we will be in the line up.
    Will we be with the NOW groups towards the end as Women
    of Note or as a separate group *after* the NOW groups
    with the other "W"s?
    
    The reason I ask is that my son will be Marching with Wesleyan
    college. If we are with the "W"s after the NOW groups I should
    be near enough to his group to have the time to grab a quick
    hug or so while we are waiting to begin marching.
    
    Bonnie

    
    re: .224 Yes.
    re: .225 Dunno.  Judy?

    Bonnie,
    
    To bad he isn't marching with us 8^(.  
    
    Kate
                                          
    

The time is fast approaching!   I just got some housing from the #
from NOW which is actually the Great Escape Travel Agency.  They at
first said that the closest housing was 45 miles away but they got us
into the Holiday Inn in Bethesda, MD which looked pretty close from
the map.  Anyways, we are heading down tomorrow night and getting
facilitors training Saturday and also staying Monday for political
lobbying.

Have a safe trip everyone,
john

    Kate,
    
    I'm just proud he's going! We talked about him joining me, but he'd
    really rather be with his friends.
    
    Bonnie

    re: .207
    
    	Thanks, Bonnie, I'll read the party note and try to be
    	there April 15.
    
    re: .211
    
    	Thanks also to you, Ann.  If I could only be in DC
    	I'd love to join your group for dinner.  Glad to see 
    	you have a good-sized group at the Hyatt.
    
    With you all in spirit on Sunday . . .
    
    Judy

    I just got mail via the bitnet from Bill Millois at Gauladet college.
    He is going to be going to the rally also with a group from his
    college.
    
    Bonnie

    
    Just wanted to add my support to those of you going this weekend. It
    is a great thing you 'Women of Note' are doing and I am proud to know
    you. I only wish the other Washington were not so far away so that I 
    could join you myself. Good Luck!

    Hi Gyns & Guys...

    I'm going to be making party-type nametags for this march, and as my
    bus will be leaving early tomorrow morning, I'm going to make the
    tags NOW...in about 10 minutes, to be precise.  The list below
    represents input into the postscript program that prints the tags
    (if you've been to a =wn= party, you know what the tags look like as
    a result).  

    Please check the entries associated with you.  What you see is what
    you will get unless you tell me different:  if there's a blank where
    the name should go, that's what will be on the tag unless you supply
    a name.  If you'd really rather have "SO" than "spouse" or "spouse"
    rather than "friend" in the relationship field, NOW is the time to
    tell me that!  If you aren't going to be marching with the rest of
    us, tell me that, too, so that we can save printing a tag.  If I've
    got the number of friends or whatever wrong, tell me that so I can
    correct it.  

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RESPOND AT ONCE!

    						=maggie

NM%RAVEN1::AAGESEN 	!   Robin
NM%MEWVAX::AUGUSTINE 	!   Liz
NM%ICO::BACHELDER	!   Lauri
!!!ICO::BACHELDER	!            % friend of
NM%SAGE::BARRY 		!   Sandra
NM%VIA::BAZEMORE	!   Barbara
NM%VAXRT::CANNOY 	!   Tamzen
NM%PISCES::CAPUANOC	!   Cindy
NM%ARMORY::COBBB	!   Barbara
NM%PHOOKA::DARROW	!   Jennifer
!!!PHOOKA::DARROW	!            % spouse of
NM%FDCV03::DONOVAN 	!   Kate
NM%SPIDER::FARLEY	!   Lisa
NM%BRAT::FERRER 	!   Nancy
NM%MEMCL1::GAHL 	!   Norma
!!!MEMCL1::GAHL 	!            % friend of
NM%FDCV03::GILLARD 	!   Carolann
NM%BOOKIE::HALVORSON	!   Jane
!!!BOOKIE::HALVORSON	!            % friend of
!!!BOOKIE::HALVORSON	!            % friend of
NM%OPHION::HAYNES 	!   Charles
NM%MOSAIC::IANNUZZO 	!   Catherine
!!!MOSAIC::IANNUZZO 	!   Naomi    % mother of
!!!MOSAIC::IANNUZZO 	!   Pamela   % mother of
NM%HAMSTR::IRLBACHER	!   Marilyn
NM%DSSDEV::JACK		!   Marty
NM%USMFG::PJEFFRIES 	!   Pat
NM%CIVIC::JOHNSTON	!   Ann
NM%AUTHOR::KAHN		!   Sarah
NM%ARMORY::KELLYB	!   Betty
NM%TUT::LEACH	 	!   Ann
NM%BUFFER::LEEDBERG	!   Peggy
!!!BUFFER::LEEDBERG	!   Lyril     % friend of
!!!BUFFER::LEEDBERG	!   Joann     % friend of
!!!BUFFER::LEEDBERG	!   Greta     % friend of
NM%SALEM::LUPPACCHINO	!   Ann Marie
NM%HACKIN::MACKIN	!   Jim
NM%UCOUNT::MACY		!   Annie            
NM%TRADE::MURTHI	!   Vikram
NM%NRPUR::NASON 	!   Mandy            
!!!NRPUR::NASON 	!             % sister of            
NM%SKYLRK::OLSON 	!   Doug
NM%CIMLAB::PHELAN	!   Deb                
!!!CIMLAB::PHELAN	!             % friend of
!!!CIMLAB::PHELAN	!             % friend of
NM%ACESMK::POIRIER	!   Suzanne
NM%RAINBW::POLOMSKI	!   Krystyna    	
NM%MU::PORTER 		!   Dave
NM%LYRIC::QUIRIY	!   Christine
NM%WMOIS::B_REINKE	!   Bonnie
NM%CURIE::ROCCO 	!   Muggsie 
!!!CURIE::ROCCO 	!             % friend of 
!!!CURIE::ROCCO 	!             % friend of 
NM%XANADU::RODERICK	!   Lisa
NM%BOEHM::SANKAR 	!   Arun 
!!!BOEHM::SANKAR 	!   Bhjandarkar % friend of 
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    Some room at the Sat. nite get-together at the Hyatt:
    
    Unhappily, Lauri and her seven friends can't make dinner at the
    Hyatt on Sat. nite.  I'll hold the table till Friday, though, in
    
    case others want to join in.
    
    We've reserved a table for 16.  With Lauri's change of plans, we
    
    have 8 free seats.  So, if you'd like to have dinner with friends
    (us), send me mail at tut::leach and I'll add you to the list.
    
    This isn't a formal bash or anything -- just Noters getting together
    
    for a meal.  Hyatt Regency, 400 New Jersey Ave. NW, Promenade Plaza
    dining room on lobby level (the moderate priced one).  8:00 p.m.
    
    See you!
    
    PS:  We'll miss you, Lauri.  Hope to see you during the march.
    
    Ann
     
    
    

    Sorry I'm late with these replies...between the march and my job
    I've been more than busy!  But today things are letting up since
    we sold the last ticket.
    
    I have no idea how NOW is organizing the groups.  If they go
    alphabetically by names then Women of Note and Wellsley may be
    together.  If they group all the colleges together, then you may
    not.  But, you could ask where Wellsley college is assembling and
    try to find him and then get back to where Women of Note are.  I
    would think that would be possible in the hour or so we'll be
    assembling.
    
    I don't want to commit to making the dinner, since I will need to
    do some last minute tasks.  But I'll try to get there for
    dessert/drinks/or whatever.  
    
    Have fun EVERYONE!  I think this will be wonderful!
    
    judy

    Thanks Judy,
    
    I just called my son and told him I'd stay put and he could
    ask a facilitator where I'd be.
    
    I was interested that you read Wesleyan as Wellsley! :-) Wellsley
    like my alma mater Mount Holyoke is still a womens college.
    
    Bonnie

    This is a more or less long range weather report for Washington
    for Sunday.
    
    I talked to my br-in-law by phone..
    
    cold and wet but no snow forcast..
    
    Bonnie

    re .237 Bonnie,
    
    I heard the same info this morning.....does that mean we should
    pack a shower curtain or two to march under?
    
    ~robin

    Hello!

	I don't know how many of you might be interested in this but...
    
	If any of you are planning to march in Washington this sunday and
    have found no way of getting there there will be busses leaving from
    Worcrester. I got a ticket from Worcester NOW (508)755-9564 and was
    told that there are still tickets available. The tickets cost $50 for
    a round trip on a greyhound bus. The bus will leave from Worcester's
    Unitarian Universalist Church at 11:00 pm. Saturday. They will be back
    by 3:00 am. Sunday. Anyone interested please get in contact with them.
    
	I hope to see you people at the march.

		Iv�n.

    I think the number for the Worcester NOW is (508)755-3645.

    This morning I talked to my mom on the phone. She said the weather
    for cast for the area is 40-50 degrees, cloudy and occasional
    showers.
    
    For those of you who haven't left yet...pack rain gear.
    
    Bonnie

    So, for all that went....  how was it?
    
    And did you realize how DEAD the net is with all of you gone?????
    :-)

    
    	Thanks 600,000 times to the people who participated in the
    	March.  The vision of so many beautiful, noble women and our
    	supporters was a sight I shall never forget (even though I
    	only saw it on the news coverage.)
    
    	I did get to hear some of the speakers (on C-SPAN) and they
    	were wonderful, too.
    
    	Please, please, please share your experiences with us, and
    	thank you from the bottom of my heart for being there for
    	those of us who couldn't make it this time around.
    
    	You have given me hope for our future!
    

    I thought you'd like to know that the march was covered both on
    the Swiss and on the French TV News. It was even the first item
    presented in the French 8:00 p.m. news (the most complete news bulletin
    of the day), even before the latest imbroglio in French politics
    (and that usually gets TOP attention!). 
    
    The TV reporter mentioned 200'000 people "expected". Because of
    the time difference, the march was still going on at the time of
    the newscast. Can anybody in the US give a number?
    
    The event came through on TV in a very positive way, and I hope
    all went well for those of you who were there.
    
    Joana

    G'Day All,
    
    	The march was also covered by Australian news coverage.  It
    was a HUGE event.  Congratulations to all who attended and it will
    be interesting to see if anybody takes any notice of the events
    that took place.
    
    David.
    
    

    
    It was on the British Channel 4 news this morning. (A sort of
    heavyweight breakfast TV). Main impression was of a several times
    repeated comparison with turn of the century suffragettes.
    
    The forthcoming Supreme Court hearing was mentioned.
    
    I'll watch again tonight to see if it really was as skewed as I
    think it was looking back on it. (With the benefit of 3 hours of
    digesting my morning meal I have the distinct impression of a lot
    of people dressed in white, waving banners and trying to interfere
    with the democratic process of having the constitution interpretted
    by unbiassed judges - but that could be curry giving me indigestion).
    
    /. Ian .\                                                            

    Just got back from the rally!  It was pretty incredible to be there
    amongst so many people that felt the same way I do!  The speakers
    were fantastic and brought up a lot of good issues/points (better
    to be discussed in onte 183).  I've never been involved in a rally
    before, but I would do it again in a second.
    
    Estimates of 600,000 people - just phenominal.  I took some video
    tape if anyone is interested, but you will probably see more on
    the news than I got on film ( 6 minutes ).
    
    I'll write more letter when my brain doesn't feel so mushy.
    
    Suzanne

    	This topic seems like the perfect place to relate experiences
    	surrounding the March (since we watched you all make your plans
    	to go right here!)
    
    	Please tell us what it was like (anything and/or everything
    	you feel like relaying!)
    
    	Did you hear the speakers clearly?  I watched most of it on
    	C-SPAN, and it was inspiring (even from the vantage of my
    	own home.)  In person, it must have been unbelievably moving!
    
    	Do you remember the chant "Free Barbara Bush!"  :)  If no one
    	else remembers, I'll explain where that one came from.
    
    	Please tell us anything you can (when you catch your breaths
    	and feel ready, of course!)
    
    	Bless you all!!!

    Now that I'm a little more coherent, after a shower, I'll give a few
    more details of the trip. 

    I went down with NH NOW.  Everyone gathered in a parking lot in
    Manchester. Channel 9 news was there interviewing.  Everyone was
    excited and most were wearing white!!  Some of the banners were
    beautiful.

    The bus ride down was long but we were all pretty excited. Several
    times along the way we ran into convoys of busses coming from NJ, NY,
    Vermont and MA.  The poor rest stops around Maryland couldn't handle
    all of the busses. The NOW rep on my bus said that because the media
    down played the whole event, none of the areas rest stops were prepared
    to be invaded.  And thats what it was, an invasion of people dressed in
    white!!! 

    As I had said in another note, I was suprised by the variety of people
    at this march, men and women, mothers and fathers, husbands and wives,
    grandmothers with their daughters and grandchildren.  Over 500 colleges
    were represented as well as several highschools (and they said this was
    a generation who didn't care!!).  Priests and nuns were there for
    Catholics for a choice.  Maryland Medical University was there for
    Med students for choice. The age spread was what really amazed
    me, from infant to 80's were all there. Every state was represented,
    even alaska.  There were delegations from several countries - I met one
    woman that came for the rally from Manchester, England! (She got a kick
    out of it when I told her we came down from Manchester, NH). 

    We all assembled around the Washington Monument - there was a sea of
    people - a sight to behold!  Several people from congress spoke to tell
    us of their support.  Peter, Paul and Mary were there and sang several
    songs - everyone joined in, especially for the song "If I had a bell,
    I'd ring it in the morning...." And then the march began.  It was very
    slow moving at first but the air was filled with chants for pro-choice
    support.  Walking down Constitution Ave, the sidewalks were filled with
    supporters, picking up our chants as we walked by.  My friend and I
    lost NH NOW and ended up walking with Wisconsin (don't ask me how???).
    They had two women drummers that beated out a cadence that matched our
    chanting.  As we passed the court building, the stairs were filled with
    a cheering crowd.  Finally we could see the capitol building and our
    group started chanting "Here we come George, Here we come! etc."  
    Other catchy chants included "2, 4, 6, 8, separte church and state!"
    "Keep your laws off my body, keep your church off my state!"
    
    When we finally made it there we heard Whoopi Goldberg, Jesse Jackson,
    Morgan Fairchild, Cybill Shepard, Susan Sarandon and umpteen more that
    I cannot remember.  They announced how they were still marching all the
    way from the monument, so we stretched from the Capitol to the
    monument.  Yes we did start chanting "FREE BARBARA BUSH!"  The speaker
    told us of how Barbara use to be a supporter of pro-choice and that she
    suggested that Barbara have a little talk with her husband:-) 

    The organizers estimated 600,000 attendees - the police said around
    300,000. They did try to get an official count, by passing around a
    petition for everyone who attended to sign.  ABC news said it was the
    largest rally since the height of the Vietnam War. 

    I hope the country, the president and the congress heard us loud and
    clear. You certainly couldn't miss us, we were everywhere, in spirit
    and in body!! 

    Having been a child in the 60's and parents that were unactive in
    rallies and such, this was my first rally in D.C.  It was incredible! 


Suzanne                      
 
P.S.  I looked for the women of note at section O6 so I could meet you all
- but I could not find you.  Sorry I missed you - hope you had lots of fun.
    

    I was in awe. For the first time ever I really felt like I was a part
    of something bigger, more powerful. It was truly invigorating.
    
    The pre-rally rally at the Hyatt Regency was great. My friend Betty
    and I spotted the party without ever having seen 1 of them. They
    had that "Deccie look".- half teckie, half yuppie. Only kidding.
    
    My mind was racing while my legs felt like jello. The longer I stayed
    the more I was convinced that I belonged here.
                            
    We met the Women of Note in the O6 area. No one looked liked I'd
    imagined except for Ann Leach. Maggie was supposed to be short and
    dark haired. Bonnie was supposed to be tall and blond.
    
    The speakers were powerful. Jesse Jackson, Lilly Tomlin and Sen.
    Alan Cranston (What a combination!) did a great job among many others.
    
    We women are an orderly lot. No violence, no littering, no alcohol
    was seen. The typical marcher was rich,poor,black,white,brown,straight,
    gay,male,female,young,old. Typical women of note bear a strong
    resemblance to the typical marcher except that none of us are rich.8^)
    
    This was the biggest woman's rights rally ever- it was the biggest
    march since Vietnam. Too long has the sleeping giant lay dormant.
    Never in the history of America has a civil right been granted and
    then revoked. Every baby born has a right to be wanted. Unfortunately,
    this is not the end of the struggle. We must make the message known:
    "PRO-CHOICE IS PRO-LIFE".
    
    Thanks for the support, In Unity there is -fill in the blank-
    Kate
    
    
    

    I am still in awe, not to mention half-awake.  I took the
    bus from Worcester, leaving at 11:00 pm Saturday, arriving
    with little sleeo at 8:30 am Sunday.  Left 7:30 pm Sunday,
    arrived at my house 5:15 am today, and I had to teach a
    course at 9:00.
    
    About 80 Womannoters marched with the totally awesome banner.
    We gathered lots of attention, and were photographed many 
    times, including by Ms Magazine.  Catherine's outfit was 
    wonderful.  Peggy and I also wore long white dresses and
    white hats tied on with scarves.  Many others were all in
    summer white, in spite of cold winds.  During the long, slow 
    march, we occasionally danced holding hands in front of the 
    banner.
    
    I am old enought to remember the marches of the sixties.  The
    greatest differences to me were the cheerfulness of the crowd
    and the diverse ages and background of the marchers.  Most of
    the chants were positive, in the sense of stating what we
    believed/ wanted, rather than insulting the opponents.  For
    example, when we passed a small group of Pro-life picketers
    with signs, the marchers chanted "CHOICE . . . CHOICE . . .
    CHOICE"   or  " What do we want?  CHOICE!  When do we want
    it?  NOW!"    I heard very few, if any, insults.  Very different
    from my memories of civil rights demonstrations and anti-war
    demonstrations 20-25 years ago.  The police were cheerful and
    helpful, and not highly visible, except where there were 
    anti-march demonstrators.
    
    Some signs I remember: "Another priest for choice"  "Menopausal
    women nostalgic for choice"  "Pregnant by choice"  "A Womb of
    My Own".  The marchers gave a huge cheer as we passed a small 
    group on the sidewalk with a sign "Mormons for Choice".  A chant:
     "2, 4, 6, 8, we're the ones who ovulate".

    Our bus included a reporter from the Worcester Telegram, who was
    doing a story on the people going to the march.  Our bus included
    women who had never been to a demonstration before in their lives,
    women who had been active in the sixties but not since then, 
    students, lesbians who have been active in gay issues, some men
    with their SOs, and men going on their own, children, housewives,
    professional women,.. a huge variety.  I'm planning to buy the
    paper and will save the article if it is interesting.

    The Womannoter group did not arrive at the Capitol until about
    2:30 (vague memory) - we got to hear most of Jesse Jackson and
    the following speeches.  There is no way to describe the feeling
    of being one with 600,000 committed people.  I won't come down
    for days.   Prepare to hear about nothing else at the party!!!
    
    Pat

    What a fantastic experience!  We arrived in D.C. on Saturday morning,
    around 10:00.  Our first hint that the weekend was going to be even
    better than we hoped was that our room was number 666.  
    
    We spent that day acting like tourists.  We went to the Women's
    Art Museum, which was really nice.  An incredible building with
    lots of good stuff in it.  And it was the first time that weekend
    that we felt the empowering feeling of being surrounded by feminists.
    But it sure wasn't the last!
    
    One interesting note, our hotel was housing all of the candidates
    for Cherry Blossom Princess.  So we got to see all these women running
    around with Pink Sashes.  It was interesting to note the different
    reason for our visit!  I sure hope that some of them managed to
    stay for the march.
    
    On Sunday we took the metro  at 9:00 and it was already filling
    up with people with signs all dressed in white.  The spirit of
    comradery that filled the trains was wonderful.  Everyone was asking
    each other where they were from and it felt so comfortable and
    comforting.  
    
    I didn't get to see the banner, unfortunately.  Let's hope we all
    see it in Ms.!!!  Wouldn't that be great?  
    
    The march itself was just an awesome experience.  And like someone
    said earlier, it was so positive.  No name calling or insults from
    our side.  (Although I did see some interesting anti-choice signs.
    One in particular:  Men who support women's rights should F***
    themselves.  I'm not quite sure I understand it, since most women
    I know feel the other way.  I did get a picture of this one.  I
    also noticed an elderly woman holding a poster that I couldn't
    make out in one hand, and a cross in another.  But she was totally
    silent and harmless.  But riveting, none the less.)
    
    Unfortunately, I got to the end of the march as Jesse Jackson was
    finishing speaking.  At that point, I had stood from 9:00 to 3:30
    and I was pretty much dead.  We sat and listened to the speeches
    until 4:15 or so.  It is the first event that I can ever remember
    where I couldn't even get close enough to figure out where the speakers
    were!  (I saw C-SPAN last night and figured it out.)
    
    NOW is selling a $20 video of the day.  If you want I can post the
    info here.  I'm sure NH NOW will buy one.  Our next Nashua meeting
    is dedicated to talking about the march and showing pictures.  I
    hope Suzanne will bring along her 6 minutes of film.
    
    A few more interesting tidbits... 
    
    We thought it appropriate when we got a woman cab driver to take
    us to the airport last night!  It sort of made the end of the trip
    so rounded out.  And then on the shuttle at the airport last
    night we sat across from Veronica Hamel!  She told us that she called
    CNN to tell them they were off in their counts.  She was the only
    celebrity that I saw in the flesh, since I never got to see them
    on the speaker's platform.
    
    Just an amazing, wonderful, fantastic, powerful weekend.  
    
    I think I have post-march blues! :-)
    
    judy

    re .253 (Judy)
    
>   (Although I did see some interesting anti-choice signs.
>   One in particular:  Men who support women's rights should F***
>   themselves.  I'm not quite sure I understand it, since most women
>   I know feel the other way.
    
    I am not sure it was the same sign, and I was not paying close
    attention, but... I thought it was pro-choice and it said something
    to the effect that "men who *DON'T* support a wonan's right to
    choose should go F*** themselves."
    
    Les

Although I am still numb from the intense passion displayed at yesterdays 
march for women's reproductive rights, I feel compelled to write about some 
of this experience. Wow, how to begin.........
 
Myself and another Deccie hit the Metro about 10 am to travel to the Mall 
area. Each stop we made along the way had people pouring in for 
transportation to the same destination. The awesome scale of this event hit 
us as we stepped off the Metro ready to bound up the steps and rush over to 
find the WoN delegation, when we found we had barely enough space to step 
off the train. After 15 minutes of slowly moving towards the exits, the 
Metro folks decided they would have to just open the gates to move the 
masses instead of requiring the usual ticket processing.

We made it to the Washington monument grounds where a sea of humanity 
already had formed. After signing the official "attendance sheets" and 
getting the grid location of our delegation we proceeded. We found O6 
easily, but stumbled around for a few minutes looking for WoN. Arriving 
just before the banner made it a little difficult for us to find the group 
whom we had never met (thanks Peggy, our delima was shortlived when we 
spotted your WoN t-shirt(-:). Finally getting a chance to meet some of the 
wn'ers was one of the highlights of this trip!, and the banner was by far 
the best one there!(-;.

The march was slow getting started. I mean, how *do* you move 600,000+ 
people if not a little bit at a time. The wait didn't particularly bother 
me, because there was someone new to meet every way you turned. The 
previous descriptions of the diversity of the marchers are very fitting. 
Every culture, minority, and special interest group who cares about women's 
freedom of choice was well represented. Getting somewhat impatient by 2 pm, 
I started marching up thru the droves of people to the after march rally at 
the Capitol. It took from noon to about 3:00 to get everyone moved from the 
start site to the rally, so I sat on a curb nearby listening to the 
speakers and waiting for the marchers to work their way up to the Capitol.
Sitting there listening, and watching the individual expressions of each 
person's passion for this cause was a terrifically moving experience for 
me. One that I didn't want to have come to an end. For those of you who 
wanted to attend but couldn't, your presence was truely felt! In my 
opinion, the majority of American voices were finally heard this Sunday 
past.

~robin

p.s. all of my preconceived mental pictures of the individual wn'ers 
     present was different than the reality. it was alot of fun finally 
     having a face to match to the NODE::NAME (-:
                     

    Kate's right, nobody's physical appearance matched expectations...
    but it only took a few conversations to convince me I was in the
    right place!  The morning was mostly sunny, but the wind blew a 
    bunch of clouds in eventually and several of us had the "choice" 
    of remaining uncovered (to let our white clothing speak out for 
    us) and freezing, or putting on jackets...smart people had white 
    sweatshirts and jackets along.

    Watching the grounds of the Washington Monument fill in with over
    half-a-million people in a few hours was an amazing experience all
    by itself.  Assembly took hours, and over a dozen =wn=rs side-tripped
    down to the Vietnam Memorial...many others did too.  Our banner was 
    visible 10 minutes before it actually reached us, we saw this
    amazingly bright, broad banner with our symbol while it was still 
    atop the hill, coming down from the monument towards our assembly 
    area (Suzanne P, sorry we missed you!).  With it arrived many more
    womannoters and nametags...we stood in the sun and the wind, talking,
    watching, feeling the day.  Our assembly point was quite a long
    way off from the rally stage; the area was carpeted with people.
    I don't actually remember hearing any of the morning speakers or
    musicians, there were too many people to talk to instead of listening.
    
    Eventually noon came and went, and the march had started; we sort
    of meandered in fits and starts over the grass and puddles (no Tamzen,
    I decided not to use the slug analogy) until we reached the street.
    For awhile we didn't move, standing seemingly dead-last in the order
    of march; then one of our more dynamic members lead us a sinuous
    path through the crowd up into the middle of things, and we were
    off.  Something about marching through the streets of Washington,
    with all of those massive ancient government buildings and wide
    boulevards, with a huge crowd of peaceful, lawful demonstrators,
    felt pretty good.  In addition to cheering the Mormons For Choice,
    we also gave a rousing cheer to the "Yankee Fan for Choice" perched
    upon the traffic signal.  If I may make the comparison, marching
    with 600K is 1) much slower 2) much more crowded and 3) much more
    emotional, than marching with 25K (the 2-Apr SF march estimate).
    
    When we passed the DoJ building, some protesters had taped the word
    "In" before the J: Department of InJustice.  Another cheer.  The
    banners and signs were amazing; some of my favorites were-
    "President Bush- Adopt an unwanted child, not a puppy" and "Uppity 
    Women Unite For Choice".
    
    We reached the Capitol during Jesse Jackson's speech...and eventually
    wormed our way off to the side were we could sit down yet still
    hear the speakers.  Kate identified Lily Tomlin's voice, and I believe
    she (Ms Tomlin) was the one who started the "Free Barbara Bush" chant.
    I remember Bella Abzug being introduced, but none of the other names
    stuck with me. 
    
    Another amazing march, being there was wonderful, sharing it with
    so many =wn=rs was the icing on the cake.  Hope I don't have to
    wait another year to see you all again...
    
    DougO

    re: .250-.255
    
    Thank you, thank you, thank you, all of you who wrote of your
    experiences in DC this weekend. I am so moved by your descriptions,
    I can't even tell you. (Goosebumps!)
    
    -Amy.
     

    	Yes, thanks from me, too!!  (Encore, encore!!!)
    
    	Do any of you remember any more of the ideas presented by the
    	speakers?  I was listening so intently (and cheered along with
    	the crowd on a *number* of occasions,) but it all went by so
    	quickly that I can't remember many of the specifics (other than
    	the fact that the whole thing made me feel more hopeful than I've
    	felt about Women's Rights in at least a decade!)
    
    	It was quite a day for *more* than the 600,000 who actually
    	went.  (I've still got goosebumps myself.)
    
    	More, more, more (information,) please -- when you get the chance.

    I did not catch too many of the speeches but I caught this in today's
    Boston Globe.
    
    "Ira Glasser, executive director of the American Civil Liberties
    Union, told the demonstrators: `This weekend marks a shift from
    a struggle in the courts to a struggle in the streets. Rights don't
    come from courts. They come from political struggle.'"
    
    How many people there or watching this on TV or radio, or were at
    one of the bus service areas along the east coast could think that
    the Supreme Court, or Mr. Bush could not hear these voices?
    
    How could anybody now believe that pro-choice is a radical minority
    position? Like someone said in an earlier note, this *is* the majority.
    
    I do remember someone saying that this is now a test of the Supreme
    Court. That *we* know what our rights are, does the court?
    
    Les             

    Molly Yard, president of NOW, said during the early morning rally that
    the press was probably going to distort the actual numbers of people
    showing up and that's why they had sign-in sheets going around all
    day long.  On the trip home one radio station talked about "tens of
    thousands of people" (get real!) or the more common number 300,000
    people.  I'm really pissed, because that 300K number was an estimate
    from the park service from around 1-2:00 in the afternoon.  By 3:00 I
    understand that they had over 600,000 signatures.  One radio station
    in the late afternoon said that over 800,000 people might have showed up.
    Has an official number been released from NOW yet?
    
    BTW, if we could get 600,000 people to D.C. under the threat of a
    Supreme Court decision and with minimal publicity, imagine what we
    could do if people really got galvanized?  As Ms. Yard said, we are
    no longer a silent majority.  And we do vote.

    *WHY* would the press want/need to distort the numbers?  What would
    they possibly have to gain by doing that? (I can more easily under-
    stand what the sponsors would have to gain by overestimating --
    but I'm *VERY* impressed even if it was only 300,000!)

    
    � *WHY* would the press want/need to distort the numbers? 
                                                                          
    hypothesis:-
    
    A certain large segment of the US press has been becoming increasingly
    vitriolic about what it sees as an unacceptably conservative bias
    in the Supreme Court. This march is seen as a march against that
    bias.
    
    The papers therefore wish to inflate the numbers attending to make
    it seem that their stance is that of a large proportion of the public.
                
    Since the police traditionally minimise the size of protest rallies,
    and the organisers over-estimate it, I would hazard a guess that
    the size of the rally was between 300kp and 600kp [1kp = 1 thousand
    people].                                                       
    
    /. Ian .\

       Both the print and electronic press rely, overwhelmingly, on
       government spokespeople for virtually all of the "news" that they
       provide to us.  And government spokespeople are not so much
       interested in the truth as in trying to convince people that
       the government is doing a great job.
       
       We're told that US troops landed in Grenada to rescue medical
       students because the State Department said it's true; we're told
       that 24,317 Viet Cong, 772 ARVNs, and 4 Americans were killed this
       week because the Defense Department says it's true; and we're told
       that 300,000 (or maybe 100,000) people marched in Washington
       because the national Park Service says it's true.  The government
       will always underestimate the size of any protest, on the theory
       that a larger protest shows a greater level of dissatisfaction
       with the current administration.  (Of course, it's also reasonable
       to take for granted that those who sponsor a protest will
       overestimate their numbers.)
       
       And, no, this past weekend's outing on the lawn seems far removed
       from the passion and fervor of the protests in '66-'72. 
       
       --Mr Topaz

    Why?
    
    Perhaps because the press *predicted* a turnout of a quarter of
    a million people, and it sounds much better to be off by only
    20% than to be off by more than a factor of two.  No one likes
    to look like a jerk.
    
    						Ann B.

    On Channel 5 news Saturday night, a Boston NOW rep was being
    interviewed.  The reporter asked her how many people they expected.
    She told him between 250K and 500K.  He turned to the camera and
    said something like "Up to 250K people will be there tomorrow in
    one of the largest women's rights rallies in history!"  He totally
    ignored her statement and made up his own.
           
    The crowd was huge at the Washington monument - but we were told
    later that thousands more had joined us as we walked down the street
    to the Capitol.
    
    Suzanne

    I don't know how many people we had, but I do know that when we were
    looking for the "O6" marker as our rallying point, all we could see
    were people, _everywhere_, they stretched as far as the eye could see
    in all directions.  I could easily believe the 600K figure, and
    wouldn't be at all surprised if the 800K one we heard on the radio
    during the march were true.
    
    The 9 of us who carried the banner down had kind of an exciting time on
    the trip: we had signs in the windows of the van inviting other
    marchers to honk when they went by and several did.  Plus once when we
    tanked up, the guy at the gas station asked what it was all about
    because he'd had cars full of women coming thru all night!  It was
    wonderful!  The conclusion to the trip down wasn't so swell though: we
    were rear-ended by a drunk at 11 pm about 25 miles from DC and so we
    never got to the motel til 1 am.
    
    All of us visited the 'Nam memorial on Saturday; it was a deeply
    emotional experience for all of us, I can feel tears coming to my eyes
    again as I'm typing now.  What a terrible, horrible waste that was.
    Brothers, husbands, sons, fathers, all dead for nothing.  If you've
    never gone, go.  You'll never forget it.
    
    Mez, Jenny, and I went on to the Women's Museum too on Saturday, it was
    beautiful!  It was a good antidote to the sadness of the wall, tho
    there were a couple of pieces that were *very* moving expressions of
    sadness and loss too, they brought tears to my eyes.  But overall it
    was a joyful experience, wonderful to see some of what women have done
    over the centuries. 
    
    Sunday morning our motel just seemed to explode into women dressed in
    white, it was though it just burst!  And then we moved to the subway
    and just brought it too its knees, every car was jammed, the station
    was jammed, and as Robin(?) said they had to switch off the oubound
    ticket machines because of the crowd.  
    
    It was so lovely to finally see the "O6" and find our mob, our
    community fielded over 80 people, 78 of whom marched under our banner
    (which was unquestionably the best and most-photographed banner in the
    march; as Pat(?) says, we may even show up in Ms magazine).  And
    I got to meet a lot of our members who until Sunday were just names
    and personalities, but no faces...it was beautiful. 
    
    The march was very moving, just curb-to-curb people forever.  There was
    a women's chorus singing ("Never Turning Back", "Bread And Roses"),
    chants, and a general feeling that this is _it_, we will not have the
    clock turned back.  The number of marchers was even more encouraging
    because this march really wasn't well-publicised, if Kate hadn't begun
    this string we might never have learnt of it! Some of us have friends
    living in the DC area who hadn't heard of it right up til last week! 
                                                       
    After the march we went back and tried to find unbiased tv coverage,
    finally hitting 52 where CSPAN was doing solid coverage of the speakers
    at the rally.  They probably did a lot of coverage of the march as
    such, too, but we just found the channel too late which was a bummer.
    
    I was so psyched, we drove down but after meeting all the beautiful
    members of our community and marching in such solidarity with so many
    other people, I was ready to *fly* back...carrying our van! 
    
                                                 =maggie
                                                                        

    I heard unofficially that there were 5000 buses. at 45 people/bus,
    that  gives 225,000 people who came by bus. That fits with a total
    crowd  of  500,000,  and makes 300,000 a ridiculous underestimate.
    Was  NOW's  600,000  number  taken from the count sheets? If so, I
    believe it, as they made a realeffort to get an accurate count.

--David

    I have been to many, many demonstrations in Wahsington. This was
    one of the bigger ones. I overheard a discussion of several people
    that were veterans of organizing anti-war demonstrations of the
    late 60s, early 60s. They were certain that 600,000 was not an inflated
    number. One person said that it could have been as high as a million.
    
    These are not easy things to do. Part of the estimation is based
    on past experience. My estimate at the Washington Monument at about
    11:30 was that there were at least 200,000 there. I also knew that
    more were and would be coming in to the assembly area. There is
    also a great tendency for people to go to the rally point before the
    march gets there. All things considered (not the NPR program), I
    thought that it would easily exceed half a mil.
    
    Les

    And, just to complicate things, NOW deliberately downplayed the
    numbers.  They wanted there to be many more than they initially
    told the press, otherwise, they would hear about the "poor" turnout.
    
    At the last march, NOW estimated that there were 250,000 people,
    and the press stated that there were 125,000.  I think it's just
    a game they play.
    
    judy

    I just reserved the Euler conference room for May 2, from 11:00
    to 1:00.  If you went to the march and want to talk about it, come
    on to ZKO2-2/R-A. If you were there in spirit and want to talk with
    people about it, come too.
    
    Bring along anything march related--for example, photos, newspaper
    clippings, posters, banners, tee-shirts, buttons, videos, and anything
    else that I may have missed.  (Of course, if there is anyone who
    can bring the Women of Note banner, that would be the highlight.)
    
    I know this isn't fair to the greater community, but I'm running
    into so many people here at ZK that want to get together, I decided
    to do this here.
    
    judy
    Just show up, anytime between 11:00 and 1:00 on May 2, and bring 
    your lunch.  

"Tens of thousands" may be a quote from Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes Sunday
night.  In their defense, it might be noted that they do pre-tape the show
(possibly days in advance).  I suspect they will publish a retraction
next week.

Martin.

What retraction? Tens of thousands is accurate. Just as the national deficit can
accurately be described as "just pennies a day".

He didn't say how *many* tens of thousands. Maybe two tens; maybe sixty...

Well, I am just getting back to normal after getting home today.

I left for Simon's Rock College where Cate goes to school on Friday
and took two people down to the march.  I got to the hotel at 4:00
:-(.

Even Saturday morning, there were tons of pro-choice folks around the
hotel in Bethesda.  We went to facilitator training on Saturday and
heard all the scoop on how things work.  The NOW people also started
to get all the facitators pumped up.  A couple of things they stressed
where that the march was just the beginning; that a political army was
being formed.  We also learned what to do in certain difficult
situation if the opposition tried certain tactics like lying in front
of the march or throwing fetuses or red paint on the marchers (all of
which have been done in the past according to the speaker).  The
majority of facilitors were white women with a few men and people of
color.  Cate and I decided to be Official March Count team captains
and also collect money.

The March count was intended to ensure that the rally was not
underestimated.  I'd have to say it had mixed results.  The national
news, local DC news, and Washinhton post all used the 300,000 number.
I noted when I got home that the Globe mentioned both the police and
NOW estimates (yeah, Globe) which seems reasonable to me.  The
official NOW estimare given by the speakers was 600,000.  They kind of
blew it by stopping the count in the morning as people came directly
from the rally site without marching.  The metro was so jammed that
many people walked in from RJK and the Pentagon.  So I think the count
may even have been low.  Next time, they/we should keep the count
going all day.  Espeicailly after all the speeches, people kept asking
to sign the count and the facilitors did not have count sheets.

So we learned how to be Captains for the count.  There were all kinds
of facilitator jobs available and I would recommend it for folks it
the future.  It's a lot of fun and you really feel that you are making
the event happen.

On exiting, I went over to A Men Who Care group and sent a letter and
coathanger to George Bush.  We OD'ed on the scene and went to Dupont
Circle to check out some food and some bookstores.  There were
marchers all over the place and there was alot of excitement in the
air.  We started meeting people for all over who were marching.

We got up early Sunday (not easy for Cate) and got some breakfast and
took a cab down to the Washington Memorial.  The Metro (opening two
hours early) still did not open until 8.   Things were kind of a mad
house at first so we started attaching pens to count sheets. At first
we did not attach them to the sheet and I found the got all tangled so
I suggested attaching the pens to the count sheets and this idea
caught on.  We started meeting and talking to different folks who had
come to help out.  Everyone was really friendly and in a good mood.

We then headed to section C2 where Cate's friends were and started the
count going.  Early on, everyone seemed to be pretty well signed up
and things seemed to be under control.  We had sheets of where various
groups were and we answered many questions as to where the groups
were.  Again, it was fun to help people out and there was a good
feeling going around.

I was in the MASS college area which was fun and there were 100
colleges from Mass at the March.  Alright Mass!

I made one trip over to O6 to find the Digital contingent but could
not find anyone.  O6 was way in back.

On the second trip, I saw Arun and found the rest of the WM gang and
stopped to chat for awhile.  It was nice to meet everyone especially
some folks I had exchanged mail with before.

The pre-rally rally started and it was nice to hear the folksingers
and speakers pumping the crowd.  Peter, Paul, and Mary was a nice
surprize!  I met people from all over.  I was really impressed by the
Florida NOW group who took a 24 hour bus ride to get to the march.
There were all kinds of people there - radicals, students, old, young,
female, male, pregant women, children, gay, straight.  It was a fairly
diverse crowd if I had to label it.

The place started getting jammed before the march and I went to the
Simon's Rock area to find Cate but she wasn't there I and was getting
claustophobic so I headed out of the crowd (going against the grain
(which is something I am not uncomforttable with) because I was
supposed to be at the rally area by two to collect money in the yellow
garbage bags.  

I went up with a new found friend and co-facillitor and made it to the
rally.  I passed the 4000 cross thing which was pretty intense but
kind of left me with a strange feeling and there were people there
praying.  There were a few anti's outside counter protesting and you
had to admire their courage for protesting with such a large group of
people with a different view of things.  

The speeched were good and varied.   Whoopi Goldberg, and
Cybil Shepard spoke as well as all kinds of pols, a labor person, a
lesbian activist, and many others.  I was kind of focused on the work
aspect and was reaching my rhetoric limit but I caught snippets of
speeches that I found moving or interesting.

Jesse Jackson really got the crowd going.  I collected money and then
left to find Cate (which I was pretty sure was going to be hard!).  I
I went up on the stage a few times on errands which was fun and it was
interesting to few how it looked from the stage.  There was mega-press
and police up there.  

I went all around to the left side without finding her and someone
handed me three petition clipboards from NARAL and I was immediatley
swamped for about a hour with people who wanted to sign.  I finally
escaped and was getting tired with facilitating as folks were getting
cranky and expecting the facilators to know everything and be able to
respond to their complaints/suggestion to the march.

By some miracle I ran into Cate who had been doing varius duties all
day and had gathered many names for the count.    We headed over to
Union Station and went home very tired.  We went to Pizza Hut in
Bethesda and got thanked for faciliting from some folks we sat near
which was nice.

Monday, Cate wanted to lobby while I wanted to be a tourist but she
oversleep and missed alot of the activities so we went down to the
Smithsonian.  We checked out the air/space museum and there were
marchers (families of them) all over.  The best part for me was a room
with drawing of the solar system  done by kids.  I guess I am not as
excited as I used to be about technology since I have been studing
Native American history and religion and have been about to see our
society from the point of view of a society that lived in a spiritual
way, in balance, and without the need to dissest, study, and anallize
everything to death.  However, the shop had a great kite selection so
I got a kite and we flew it on the mall.  The people we were supposed
to meet on the mall were a no show so we checked out the capitol.

Inside the rotunda, I got mad at some pictures of Native American
pictured as either igornant savages or brutal killers which in my
opinion should be pictured the other way around.  Anyways, enough
proseliting.  We finally left Bethesda at 6 and got in and two or
something like that totally exhausted.  (By the way, I ran into a old
friend at a Roy Rodgers on the Jersey Turnpike).

All in all it was an interesting experieince for me and I felt good
about going.  I hope we kind all find a way to live together in
balanceand in appreciation for this life on
Mother Earth and I had the feeling that while we may disagree on how,
many of the people at the march had the same vision.


john

Sorry for all the typos but I too tired to fix them - good night and
see ya soon.

    	RE: .273
    
    	> A couple of things they [the NOW people] stressed were that
    	> the march was just the beginning; that a political army was
    	> being formed.
    
    	That's a point I remember hearing from one of the speakers (in
    	the C-SPAN coverage of the event.)
    
    	That idea is such music to my ears (I'm getting goosebumps again.)
    
    	If the movement can attract 600,000 - 800,000 supporters in
    	a March (with almost no widespread publicity,) then the Women's
    	Rights Movement is still as strong and more alive than I realized.
    
    	Thank goodness!!!
    
    	Once again, I'd like to remark that the first video coverage
    	I saw of the March (on Headline News) took my breath away. 
    	It was one of the most strikingly beautiful images I ever recall
    	seeing in my whole life -- all 600-800,000 of you photographed
    	wonderfully!!!
    
    	One of the greatest things were the looks on the faces of the
    	marchers.   You all looked so proud to be there (and so serene
    	and comfortable in your convictions) -- like everyone else has
    	said, it was impressive (to say the very least!)
    
    	RE:  The 'Women of Note' Banner
    
    	Thanks for the descriptions of the reactions that the banner
    	received (along with all the extra photographing of all of you,
    	and the banner itself!)
    
    	I would imagine that the idea (of women networking through
    	computers worldwide) fascinated quite a few people when they
    	encountered the Women of Note banner!!
    
    	I wonder how many of them realized that some of you were "seeing"
    	each other for the very first time during the march (although your
    	knowledge of each other and your friendships had existed over
    	the net for a long time, in many cases.)

    	Aside from the exceptional quality of the banner itself, the
    	idea of a community forming over a computer network is something
    	that many non-computer people find incredibly interesting.
    
    	Hell, *I* find it fascinating and interesting, too!  :)

    	Thanks again for all your reports.  Keep 'em coming!

    To all the Women of Note who marched, a big hardy **THANK YOU** from
    one woman who wanted to be there in person, but couldn't, but who was
    there in spirit...with tears in my eyes and goosebumps on my bod. Thank
    goodness there are women like you.  I wish I could have been there. 
    
    And thank you for posting/typing in your experiences here for all of us
    to enjoy.   
    
    Thank you all very much.  You women are terrific!
    
    -Dotti.
    

    
    I have to say, that in my 50+ years on this earth, Sunday was the
    most awesome event of my life.  Carrying the -wn- banner gave me
    a powerful feeling, it was so well made and so attractive that I
    wanted the whole world to see it.  It will take me several days
    to come down from the cloud. Thanks to every one who worked on the
    banner.
    
    Also thanks to every one who was there in spirit, the many folks
    who wished me well and gave me a positive send off. This was the
    greatest.
    
    +pat+

    The March was real. Glad to put a face to all of you wn'ers. 
    Let's do this again people. I video taped from the cable when I
    got home monday morning. I'll be making copies, If anyone wants
    a copy send me a tape (VHS) only. Once again it was trully REAL!!
    
    bk

I'm many notes behind (can a co-mod admit this in public ? :-).

My mother just called me at work. She told me she was proud of me for marching.
Prouder than she had been when I was valedictorian in high school, worthy
advisor, grand service, or married to Joe (the list gives some pretty
interesting insights into both my mother and me :-). I was stunned. I didn't
even know which way she would lean, or even if she would lean. She said the
woman I'm named after would have done the same.
	Mez

	Hi,

	Well, the March was a great success!  The NOW estimate was 600,000
	people!  It was an awesome experience to say the least.  I'm still
	flying high! 

	Even though the March is over and most of the petitions have been
	signed and turned in, the fight is not over!  The first Supreme Court 
	hearing of Webster vs Missouri is April 26th.  If this passes then it 
	will give all STATES the freedom to take away OUR freedom...of choice!

	What NOW is reguesting is that all people who were at the March or who
	believe in Freedom of Choice should send a postcard to President Bush.
	This is a way to keep the fight going, to let the government know that
	we WILL be heard, that we will NOT give up the fight!

	If you could take the time to send a postcard that would be great!
	I've even decided to send one to Barbara Bush, who by the way is
	Pro-Choice but has decided to not voice her opinion since her husband
	became president!  

	The address is: 	President George Bush
			 	The White House
				1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
				Washington, D.C.  20500


	Thanks for the support!

	- Lauri

    re .278 (Mez)
    
    My mother died in 1981. But I was involved in the pro-choice movement
    since 1972. My mother was pretty conservative and raised a few eyebrows
    about many things that I was involved in. However, she supported
    the pro-choice movement. That surprised me, and also made us somewhat
    closer.
    
    I think this is one hell of a powerful movement. I think that it
    strikes to the bare core and nerve of much of our lives and the
    fabric of our society. I think we can accomplish much be continuing
    this struggle.
    
    Arguing in courts, debating in notesfiles, trying to convince the
    ones and twos can be frustrating. The demonstrations, in one fell
    swoop, have the power to bring us together. No one can tell any of
    us that we are alone. Even the Supreme Court cannot hide. We know
    what is right.
    
    Les
          

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Here is a phone listing of the herd in D.C.  It is old (before the last
election) but since 98% of the incumbants got back in it should still be
very good!

 
This is a list of U.S. senators.
 
Phone numbers are the Washington, D.C., office numbers. All are Area
Code 202.
 
The code for the "Room" column is "SD" means Dirksen Senate
Office Building; "SH" means Hart Senate Office Building; and "SR"
means Russell Senate Office Building. All use the ZIP code 20510.
A typical address would be:
 
U.S. Sen. Frank H. Murkowski
Hart Senate Office Building
Room 709
Washington, D.C. 20510
 
 
                           Members of the U.S. Senate
 
 
 State  First name            Last name        Party  Phone     Room
 -----  --------------------  ---------------  -----  --------  -------
 AK     Frank H.              Murkowski        R      224-6665  SH-709
 AK     Ted                   Stevens          R      224-3004  SH-522
 AL     Howell                Heflin           D      224-4124  SH-728
 AL     Richard C.            Shelby           D      224-5744  SH 516
 AR     Dale                  Bumpers          D      224-4843  SD-229
 AR     David                 Pyor             D      224-2353  SR-264
 AZ     Dennis                DeConcini        D      224-4521  SH-328
 AZ     John                  McCain           R      224-2235  SR-111
 CA     Alan                  Cranston         D      224-3553  SH-112
 CA     Pele                  Milson           R      224-3841  SH-720
 CO     William L.            Armstrong        R      224-5941  SH-528
 CO     Timothy C.            Wirth            D      224-5811  SR-237
 CT     Christopher J.        Dodd             D      224-2823  SH-324
 CT     Lowell P. Jr.         Weicker          R      224-4041  SR-225
 DE     Joseph R. Jr.         Biden            D      224-5042  SR-489
 DE     William V. Jr.        Roth             R      224-2441  SH-104
 FL     Lawton                Chiles           D      224-5274  SR-250
 FL     Bob                   Graham           D      224-3041  SH-313
 GA     Wyche Jr.             Fowler           D      224-3643  SH-210
 GA     Sam                   Nunn             D      224-3521  SD-303
 HA     Daniel K.             lnouye           D      224-3934  SH-722
 HA     Spark M.              Matsunaga        D      224-6361  SH-109
 IA     Charles E.            Grassley         R      224-3744  SH-135
 IA     Tom                   Harkin           D      224-3254  SH-316
 ID     James A.              McClure          R      224-2752  SH-309
 ID     Steve                 Symms            R      224-6142  SH-509
 IL     Alan J.               Dixon            D      224-2854  SH-331
 IL     Paul                  Simon            D      224-2152  SD-462
 IN     Richard G.            Lugar            R      224-4814  SH-306
 IN     Dan                   Quale            R      224-5623  SH-524
 KS     Robert                Dole             R      224-6521  SH-141
 KS     Nancy Landon          Kassebaum        R      224-4774  SR-302
 KY     Wendell H.            Ford             D      224-4343  SR-173A
 KY     Mitch                 McConnell        R      224-2541  SR-120
 LA     John B.               Breaux           D      224-4623  SD-104
 LA     J. Bennett            Johnston         D      224-5824  SH-136
 MA     Edward M.             Kennedy          D      224-4543  SR-315
 MA     John                  Kerry            D      224-2742  SR-362
 MD     Barbara A.            Mikulski         D      224-4654  SH-320
 MD     Paul S.               Sarbanes         D      224-4524  SD-332
 ME     William S.            Cohen            R      224-2523  SH-322
 ME     George J.             Mitchell         D      224-5344  SR-176
 MI     Carl                  Levin            D      224-6221  SR-459
 MI     Donald W. Jr.         Reigle           D      224-4822  SD 105
 MN     Rudy                  Boschwitz        R      224-5641  SH-506
 MN     Dave                  Durenberger      R      224-3244  SR-154
 MO     Christopher S. "Kit"  Bond             R      224-5721  SR-293
 MO     John C.               Danforth         R      224-6154  SR-497  
 MS     Thad                  Cochran          R      224-5054  SR-326  
 MS     John C.               Stennis          D      224-6253  SR-205  
 MT     Max                   Baucus           D      224-2651  SH-706  
 MT     John                  Melcher          D      224-2644  SH-730  
 NC     Jessie                Helms            R      224-6342  SD-403  
 NC     Terry                 Sanford          D      224-3154  SH-716  
 ND     Quentin N.            Burdick          D      224-2551  SH-511  
 ND     Kent                  Conrad           D      224-2043  SD-361  
 NE     J. James              Exon             D      224-4224  SH-330  
 NE     David                 Karnes           R      224-6551  SR-441  
 NH     Gordon J.             Humphrey         R      224-2841  SH-531  
 NH     Warren B.             Rudman           R      224-3324  SH-530  
 NJ     Bill                  Bradley          D      224-3224  SH-731  
 NJ     Frank R.              Lautenberg       D      224-4744  SH-717  
 NM     Jeff                  Bingaman         D      224-5521  SH-502  
 NM     Pete V.               Domenici         R      224-6621  SD-434  
 NV     Chic                  Hecht            R      224-6244  SH-302  
 NV     Harry                 Reid             D      224-3542  SH 708  
 NY     Alfonse M.            D'Amato          R      224-6542  SH-520  
 NY     Daniel Patrick        Moynihan         D      224-4451  SR-46d  
 OH     John                  Glenn            D      224-3353  SH-503  
 OH     Howard M.             Metzenbaum       D      224-2315  SR-140  
 OK     David L.              Boren            D      224-4721  SQ-453  
 OK     Don                   Nickles          R      224-5754  SH-713  
 OR     Mark O.               Hatfield         R      224-3753  SH-711  
 OR     Bob                   Packwood         R      224-5244  SR-259  
 PA     John                  Heinz            R      224-6324  SR-277  
 PA     Arlen                 Specter          R      224-4254  SH-303  
 RI     John H.               Chafee           R      224-2921  SD-567  
 RI     Claiborne             Pell             D      224-4642  SR-411  
 SC     Ernest F.             Hollings         D      224-6121  SR-125  
 SC     Strom                 Thurmond         R      224-5972  SR-218  
 SD     Thomas A.             Daschle          D      224-2321  SH-317  
 SD     Larry                 Pressler         R      224-5842  SR-411  
 TN     Albert Jr.            Gore             D      224-4944  SR-393  
 TN     Jim                   Sasser           D      224-3344  SR-363  
 TX     Lloyd                 Bentsen          D      224-5922  SH-703  
 TX     Phil                  Gramm            R      224-2934  SR-370  
 UT     Jake                  Garn             R      225-5444  SD-505  
 UT     Orrin G.              Hatch            R      224-5251  SR-135  
 VA     Paul S. Jr.           Trible           R      224-4024  SH-517  
 VA     John W.               Warner           R      224-2023  SR-421  
 VT     Patrick J.            Leahy            D      224-4242  SR-D33  
 VT     Robert T.             Stafford         R      224-5141  SH-133  
 WA     Brock                 Adams            D      224-2621  SH-513  
 WA     Daniel J.             Evans            R      224-3441  SH-702  
 WI     Bob                   Kasten           R      224-5323  SH-110  
 WI     William               Proxmire         D      224-5653  SD-530  
 WV     Robert C.             Byrd             D      224-3954  SH-311  
 WV     John D. lV            Rockefeller      D      224-6472  SD-241  
 WY     Alan K.               Simpson          R      224-3424  SD-261  
 WY     Malcolm               Wallop           R      224-6441  SR-206  
 
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This is a list of members of the U.S. House of Representatives.
 
"Dist." is the representative's congressional district. For
example, Sonny Callahan represents the 1st Congressional District
of Alabama.
 
"Phone" is the Washington, D.C., office number. All phone
listings here are in Area Code 202.
 
"Room" is the representative's office address. Three-digit
numbers are in the Cannon House Office Building. Four-digit
number beginning with 1 are in the Longworth House Office
Building. And four-digit numbers beginning with 2 are in the
Rayburn House Office Building. All use the ZIP code 20515. For
example, Sonny Callahan's mailing address would be,
 
U.S. Rep. Sonny Callahan
Rayburn House Office Building
Room 1232
Washington, D.C. 20515
 
 
                  Members of the U.S. House of Representatives
 
 Dist.    First name           Last name         Party  Phone      Room
 -------  -------------------  ----------------  -----  ---------  ----
 AL (1)   Sonny                Callahan          R      225-4931   1232
 AL (2)   William L.           Dickinson         R      225-2901   2406
 AL (3)   Bill                 Nichols           D      225-3261   2405
 AL (4)   Tom                  Bevill            D      225-4876   2302
 AL (5)   Ronnie G.            Flippo            D      225-4801   2334
 AL (6)   Ben                  Erdreich          D      225-4921   439
 AL (7)   Claude               Harris            D      225-2665   1009
 AR (1)   Bill                 Alexander         D      225-4076   233
 AR (2)   Tommy F.             Robinson          D      225-2506   1541
 AR (3)   John Paul            Hammerschmidt     R      225-4301   2207
 AR (4)   Beryl Jr.            Anthony           D      225-3772   1117
 AZ (1)   John J. III          Rhodes            R      225-2635   510
 AZ (2)   Morris K.            Udall             D      225-4065   235
 AZ (3)   Bob                  Stump             R      225-4576   211
 AZ (4)   Jon                  Kyl               R      225-3361   313
 AZ (5)   Jim                  Kolbe             R      225-2542   1222
 CA (1)   Douglas H.           Bosco             D      225-3311   408
 CA (10)  Don                  Edwards           D      225-3072   2307
 CA (11)  Tom                  Lantos            D      225-3531   1707
 CA (12)  Ernest L.            Konnyu            R      225-5411   511
 CA (13)  Norman Y.            Mineta            D      225-2631   2350
 CA (14)  Norman D.            Shumway           R      225-2511   1203
 CA (15)  Tony                 Coelho            D      225-6131   403
 CA (16)  Leon E.              Panetta           D      225-2861   339
 CA (17)  Charles Jr.          Pashayan          R      225-3341   129
 CA (18)  Richard H.           Lehman            D      225-4540   1319 
 CA (19)  Robert J.            Lagomarsino       R      225-3601   2332 
 CA (2)   Wally                Herger            R      225-3076   1630 
 CA (21)  Ellon                Gallegly          R      225-5811   1020 
 CA (22)  Carlos J.            Moorhead          R      225-4176   2346 
 CA (23)  Anthony C.           Beilenson         D      225-5911   1025 
 CA (24)  Henry A.             Waxman            D      225-3976   2418 
 CA (25)  Edward R.            Roybal            D      225-6235   2211 
 CA (26)  Howard L.            Berman            D      225-4695   137  
 CA (27)  Mel                  Levine            D      225-6451   132  
 CA (28)  Julian C.            Dixon             D      225-7084   2400 
 CA (29)  Auguslus F.          Hawkins           D      225-2201   2371 
 CA (2O)  William M.           Thomas            R      225-2915   2402 
 CA (3)   Robert T.            Matsui            D      225-7163   2419 
 CA (30)  Matthew G.           Martinez          D      225-5464   109  
 CA (31)  Mervyn M.            Dymally           D      225-5425   1717 
 CA (32)  Glenn M.             Anderson          D      225-6676   2329 
 CA (33)  David                Dreier            R      225-2305   4lO  
 CA (34)  Esteban Edward       Torres            D      225-5256   1740 
 CA (35)  Jerry                Lewis             R      225-5861   326  
 CA (36)  George E. Jr.        Brown             D      225-6161   2256 
 CA (37)  Al                   McCandless        R      225-5330   435  
 CA (38)  Bob                  Dornan            R      225-2965   301  
 CA (39)  William E.           Dannemeyer        R      225-4111   1214 
 CA (4)   Vic                  Fazio             D      225-5716   2433 
 CA (40)  Robert E.            Badham            R      225-5611   2427 
 CA (41)  Bill                 Lowry             R      225-3201   225  
 CA (42)  Dan                  Lungren           R      225-2415   2440 
 CA (43)  Ron                  Packard           R      225-3906   316  
 CA (44)  Jim                  Bates             D      225-5452   1404 
 CA (45)  Duncan               Hunter            R      225-5672   133  
 CA (6)   Barbara              Boxer             D      225-5161   307  
 CA (7)   George               Miller            D      225-2095   2228 
 CA (8)   Ronald V.            Dellums           D      225-2661   2136 
 CA (9)   Fortney H. "Pete"    Stark             D      225-5065   1125 
 CO (1)   Patricia             Schroeder         D      225-4431   2410 
 CO (2)   David E.             Skaggs            D      225-2161   1723 
 CO (3)   Ben Nighthorse       Campbell          D      225-4761   1724 
 CO (4)   Hank                 Brown             R      225-4676   1424 
 CO (5)   Joel                 Hefley            R      225-4422   508  
 CO (6)   Dan L.               Schaefer          R      225-7882   1317 
 CT (1)   Barbara B.           Kennelly          D      225-2265   1230 
 CT (2)   Sam                  Gejdenson         D      225-2076   1410 
 CT (3)   Bruce A.             Morrison          D      225-3661   437  
 CT (4)   Stewart B.           McKinney          R      225-5541   237  
 CT (5)   John G.              Rowland           R      225-3822   512  
 CT (6)   Nancy L.             Johnson           R      225-4476   119  
 DC       Walter E.            Fauntroy          D      225-8050   2135 
 DE (AL)  Thomas R.            Carper            D      225-4165   131  
 FL (1)   Earl                 Hutto             D      225-4136   2435 
 FL (10)  Andy                 Ireland           D      225-5015   2416 
 FL (11)  Bill                 Nelson            D      225-3671   2404 
 FL (12)  Tom                  Lewis             R      225-5792   1216 
 FL (13)  Connie               Mack              R      225-2536   228  
 FL (14)  Daniel A.            Mica              D      225-3001   2455 
 FL (15)  E. Clay Jr.          Shaw              R      225-3026   440  
 FL (16)  Lawrence J.          Smith             D      225-7931   113  
 FL (17)  William              Lehman            D      225-4211   2347 
 FL (18)  Claude               Pepper            D      225-3931   2239 
 FL (19)  Dante B.             Fascell           D      225-4506   2354 
 FL (2)   Bill                 Grant             D      225-5235   1331 
 FL (3)   Charles E.           Bennett           D      225-2501   2107 
 FL (4)   Bill Jr.             Chappell          D      225-4035   2468 
 FL (5)   Bill                 McCollum          R      225-2176   1507 
 FL (6)   Buddy                MacKay            D      225-5744   330  
 FL (7)   Sam                  Gibbons           D      225-3376   2204 
 FL (8)   C. W. Bill           Young             R      225-5961   2407 
 FL (9)   Michael              Billirakis        R      225-5755   1530 
 GA (1)   Robert Lindsay       Thomas            D      225-5831   431  
 GA (10)  Doug Jr.             Barnard           D      225-4101   2227 
 GA (2)   Charles              Hatcher           D      225-3631   405  
 GA (2)   Charles              Hayes             D      225-4372   1028 
 GA (3)   Richard              Ray               D      225-5901   425  
 GA (4)   Pat                  Swindall          R      225-4272   331  
 GA (5)   John                 Lewis             D      225-3801   501  
 GA (6)   Newt                 Gingrich          R      225-4501   2438 
 GA (7)   George "Buddy"       Dardan            D      225-2931   1330 
 GA (8)   J. Roy               Rowland           D      225-6531   423  
 GA (9)   Ed                   Jenkins           D      225-5211   203  
 GU       Ben                  Blaz              R      225-1188   1130 
 HI (1)   Patricia F.          Saiki             R      225-2726   1407 
 HI (2)   Daniel K.            Akaka             D      225-4906   2301 
 IA (1)   Jim                  Leach             R      225-6576   1514 
 IA (2)   Tom                  Tauke             R      225-2911   2244 
 IA (3)   David R.             Nagle             D      225-3301   214  
 IA (4)   Neal                 Smith             D      225-4426   2373 
 IA (5)   Jim                  Lightfoot         R      225-3806   1609 
 IA (6)   Fred                 Grandy            R      225-5476   1711 
 ID (1)   Larry E.             Craig             R      225-6611   1034 
 ID (2)   Richard H.           Stallings         D      225-5531   1221 
 IL (10)  John Edward          Porter            R      225-4835   1131 
 IL (11)  Frank                Annunzio          D      225-6661   2303 
 IL (12)  Philip M.            Crane             R      225-3711   1035 
 IL (13)  Harris W.            Fawell            R      225-3515   318  
 IL (14)  Dennis               Hastert           R.     225-2976   515  
 IL (15)  Edward R.            Madigan           R      225-2371   2312 
 IL (16)  Lynn                 Martin            R      225-5676   1208 
 IL (17)  Lane                 Evans             D      225-5905   328  
 IL (18)  Robert H.            Michel            R      225-6201   2112 
 IL (19)  Tery L.              Bruce             D      225-5001   419  
 IL (2)   Gus                  Savage            D      225-0773   1121 
 IL (20)  Richard J.           Durbin            D      225-5271   417  
 IL (21)  Melvin               Price             D      225-5661   2110 
 IL (22)  Kenneth J.           Gray              D      225-5201   2109 
 IL (3)   Marty                Russo             D      225-5736   2233 
 IL (4)   Jack                 Davis             R      225-3635   1234 
 IL (5)   William O.           Lipinski          D      225-5701   1032 
 IL (6)   Henry J.             Hyde              R      225-4561   2104 
 IL (7)   Cardiss              Collins           D      225-5006   2264 
 IL (8)   Dan                  Rostenkowski      D      225-4061   2111 
 IL (9)   Sidney R.            Yates             D      225-2111   2234 
 IN (1)   Peter J.             Visclosky         D      225-2461   420  
 IN (10)  Andrew Jr.           Jacobs            D      225-4011   1533 
 IN (2)   Philip R.            Sharp             D      225-3021   2452 
 IN (3)   John                 Hiler             R      225-3915   407  
 IN (4)   Dan                  Coats             R      225-4436   1417 
 IN (5)   Jim                  Jontz             D      225-5037   1005 
 IN (6)   Dan                  Burton            R      225-2276   120  
 IN (7)   John T.              Myers             R      225-5805   2372 
 IN (8)   Frank                McCloskey         D      225-4636   127  
 IN (9)   Lee H.               Hamilton          D      225-5315   2187 
 KS (1)   Pat                  Roberts           R      225-2715   1314 
 KS (2)   Jim                  Slattery          D      225-6601   1440 
 KS (3)   Jan                  Meyers            R      225-2865   315  
 KS (4)   Dan                  Glickman          D      225-6176   1212 
 KS (5)   Bob                  Whittaker         R      225-3911   2436 
 KY (2)   William H.           Natcher           D      225-3501   2333 
 KY (3)   Romano L.            Mazzoli           D      225-5401   2246 
 KY (4)   Jim                  Bunning           R      225-3465   1123 
 KY (5)   Harold               Rogers            R      225-4601   206  
 KY (6)   Larry J.             Hopkins           R      225-4706   2437 
 KY (7)   Carroll Jr.          Hubbard           D      225-3115   2182 
 KY (7)   Carl C.              Perkins           D      225-4935   l004 
 LA (1)   Bob                  Livingston        R      225-3015   2412 
 LA (2)   Lindy (Mrs. Hale)    Boggs             D      225-6636   2353 
 LA (3)   W. J. Billly         Tauzin            D      225-4031   222  
 LA (4)   Buddy                Roemer            D      225-2777   103  
 LA (5)   Jerry                Huckaby           D      225-2376   2421 
 LA (6)   Richard H.           Baker             R      225-3901   506  
 LA (7)   Jimmy                Hayes             D      225-2031   503  
 LA (8)   Clyde C.             Holloway          R      225-4926   1207 
 MA (1)   Silvio O.            Conte             R      225-5335   2300 
 MA (10)  Gerry E.             Studds            D      225-3111   1501 
 MA (11)  Brian J.             Donnelly          D      225-3215   438  
 MA (2)   Edward P.            Boland            D      225-5601   2426 
 MA (3)   Joseph D.            Early             D      225-6101   2349 
 MA (4)   Barney               Frank             D      225-5931   1030 
 MA (5)   Chester G.           Atkins            D      225-3411   504  
 MA (6)   Nicholas             Mavroules         D      225-8020   2432 
 MA (7)   Edward J.            Markey            D      225-2836   2133 
 MA (8)   Joseph P. II         Kennedy           D      225-5111   1631 
 MA (9)   Joe                  Moakley           D      225-8273   221  
 MD (2)   Helen Delich         Bentley           R      225-3061   1610 
 MD (3)   Benjamin L.          Cardin            D      225-4016   507  
 MD (4)   Tom                  McMillen          D      225-8090   1508 
 MD (5)   Steny H.             Hoyer             D      225-4131   1513 
 MD (6)   Beverly B.           Byron             D      225-2721   2430 
 MD (7)   Roy                  Dyson             D      225-5311   224  
 MD (7)   Kweisi               Mfume             D      225-4741   1107 
 MD (8)   Constance A.         Morella           R      225-5341   1024 
 ME (1)   Joseph E.            Brennan           D      225-6116   1428 
 ME (2)   Olympia J.           Snowe             R      225-6306   2464 
 MI (1)   John Jr.             Conyers           D      225-5126   2313 
 MI (10)  Bill                 Schuette          R      225-3561   415  
 MI (11)  Robert W.            Davis             R      225-4735   2417 
 MI (12)  David E.             Bonior            D      225-2106   2242 
 MI (13)  George W. Jr.        Crockett          D      225-2261   1531 
 MI (14)  Dennis M.            Hertel            D      225-6276   218  
 MI (15)  Willliam D.          Ford              D      225-6261   239  
 MI (16)  John D.              Dingell           D      225-4071   2221 
 MI (17)  Sander M.            Levin             D      225-4961   323  
 MI (18)  William S.           Broomfield        R      225-6135   2306 
 MI (2)   Carl D.              Pursell           R      225-4401   1414 
 MI (3)   Howard               Wolpe             D      225-5011   1535 
 MI (4)   Fred                 Upton             R      225-3761   1607 
 MI (5)   Paul B.              Henry             R      225-3831   215  
 MI (6)   Bob                  Carr              D      225-4872   2439 
 MI (7)   Dale E.              Kildee            D      225-3611   2262 
 MI (8)   Bob                  Traxler           D      225-2806   2366 
 MI (9)   Guy                  Vander Jagt       R      225-3511   2409 
 MN (1)   Timothy J.           Penny             D      225-2472   436  
 MN (2)   Vin                  Weber             R      225-2331   106  
 MN (3)   Bill                 Frenzel           R      225-2871   1026 
 MN (4)   Bruce F.             Vento             D      225-6631   2304 
 MN (5)   Martin Olav          Sabo              D      225-4755   2201 
 MN (6)   Gerry                Sikorski          D      225-2271   414  
 MN (7)   Arlan                Stangeland        R      225-2165   2245 
 MN (8)   James L.             Oberstar          D      225-6211   2351 
 MO (1)   William L.           Clay              D      225-2406   2470 
 MO (2)   Jack                 Buechner          R      225-2561   502  
 MO (3)   Richard A.           Gephardt          D      225-2671   1432 
 MO (4)   lke                  Skelton           D      225-2876   2453 
 MO (5)   Alan                 Wheat             D      225-4535   1204 
 MO (6)   E. Thomas            Coleman           R      225-7041   2344 
 MO (7)   Gene                 Taylor            R      225-6536   2134 
 MO (8)   Bill                 Emerson           R      225-4404   418  
 MO (9)   Harold L.            Volkmer           D      225-2956   2411 
 MS (1)   Jamie                Whitten           D      225-4306   2314 
 MS (2)   Mike                 Espy              D      225-5876   216  
 MS (3)   G.V. Sonny           Montgomery        D      225-5031   2184 
 MS (4)   Wayne                Dowdy             D      225-5865   240  
 MS (5)   Trent                Lott              R      225-5772   2185 
 MT (1)   Pat                  Williams          D      225-3211   2457 
 MT (2)   Ron                  Marlenee          R      225-1555   2465 
 NC (1)   Walter B.            Jones             D      225-3101   241  
 NC (10)  Cass                 Ballenger         R      225-2576   116  
 NC (11)  James McClure        Clarke            D      225-6401   217  
 NC (2)   Tim                  Valentine         D      225-4531   1510 
 NC (3)   H. Martin            Lancaster         D      225-3415   1408 
 NC (4)   David E.             Price             D      225-1784   1223 
 NC (5)   Stephen L.           Neal              D      225-2071   2463 
 NC (6)   Howard               Coble             R      225-3065   430  
 NC (7)   Charlie              Rose              D      225-2731   2230 
 NC (8)   W. G. "Bill"         Hefner            D      225-3715   2161 
 NC (9)   J. Alex              McMillan          R      225-1976   401  
 ND (AL)  Byron L.             Dorgan            D      225-2611   238  
 NE (1)   Doug                 Bereuter          R      225-4806   2446 
 NE (2)   Hal                  Daub              R      225-4155   1019 
 NE (3)   Virginia             Smith             R      225-6435   2202 
 NH (1)   Robert C.            Smith             R      225-5456   115  
 NH (2)   Chuck		       Douglass		 R	225-5206   1338
 NJ (1)   James J.             Florio            D      225-6501   2162 
 NJ (10)  Peter W. Jr.         Rodino            D      225-3436   2462 
 NJ (11)  Dean A.              Gallo             R      225-5034   1318 
 NJ (12)  Jim                  Courter           R      225-5801   2422 
 NJ (13)  H. James             Saxton            R      225-4765   324  
 NJ (14)  Frank J.             Guarini           D      225-2765   2458 
 NJ (2)   William J.           Hughes            D      225-6572   341  
 NJ (3)   James J.             Howard            D      225-4671   2188 
 NJ (4)   Chrisiopher H.       Smith             R      225-3765   422  
 NJ (5)   Marge                Roukema           R      225-4465   303  
 NJ (6)   Bernard J.           Dwyer             D      225-6301   404  
 NJ (7)   Matthew J.           Rinaldo           R      225-5361   2469 
 NJ (8)   Robert A.            Roe               D      225-5751   2243 
 NJ (9)   Robert G.            Torricelli        D      225-5061   317  
 NM (1)   Manuel Jr.           Lujan             R      225-6316   1323 
 NM (2)   Joe                  Skeen             R      225-2365   1007 
 NM (3)   Billl                Richardson        D      225-6190   332  
 NV (1)   James                Billbray          D      225-5965   1431 
 NV (2)   Barbara F.           Vucanovich        R      225-6155   312  
 NY (1)   George J.            Hochbrueckner     D      225-3826   1008 
 NY (10)  Charles E.           Schumer           D      225-6616   126  
 NY (11)  Edolphus             Towns             D      225-5936   1726 
 NY (12)  Major R.             Owens             D      225-6231   ll4  
 NY (13)  Stephen J.           Solarz            D      225-2361   1536 
 NY (14)  Guy V.               Molinari          R      225-3371   208  
 NY (15)  Bill                 Green             R      225-2436   1110 
 NY (15)  Raymond J.           McGrath           R      225-5516   205  
 NY (16)  Charles B.           Rangel            D      225-4365   2330 
 NY (17)  Ted                  Weiss             D      225-5635   2442 
 NY (18)  Robert               Garcia            D      225-4361   2338 
 NY (19)  Mario                Biaggi            D      225-2464   2428 
 NY (2)   Thomas J.            Downey            D      225-3335   2232 
 NY (20)  Joseph J.            DioGuardi         R      225-6506   325  
 NY (21)  Hamilton Jr.         Fish              R      225-5441   2269 
 NY (22)  Benjamin A.          Gilman            R      225-3776   2160 
 NY (23)  Samuel S.            Stratton          D      225-5076   2205 
 NY (24)  Gerald B. H.         Solomon           R      225-5614   2342 
 NY (25)  Sherwood             Boehlert          R      225-3665   1641 
 NY (26)  David 0'B.           Martin            R      225-4611   442  
 NY (27)  George C.            Wortley           R      225-3701   229  
 NY (28)  Matthew F.           McHugh            D      225-6335   2335 
 NY (29)  Frank                Horton            R      225-4916   2229 
 NY (3)   Robert J.            Mrazek            D      225-5956   306  
 NY (30)  Louise M.            Slaughter         D      225-3615   1313 
 NY (31)  Jack F.              Kemp              R      225-5265   2252 
 NY (32)  John J.              LaFalce           D      225-3231   2367 
 NY (33)  Henry J.             Nowak             D      225-3306   2240 
 NY (34)  Amo                  Houghton          R      225-3161   1217 
 NY (4)   Norman F.            Lent              R      225-7896   2408 
 NY (6)   Floyd H.             Flake             D      225-3461   1427 
 NY (7)   Gary L.              Ackerman          D      225-2601   1725 
 NY (8)   James H.             Scheuer           D      225-5471   2466 
 NY (9)   Thomas J.            Manton            D      225-3965   327  
 OH (1)   Thomas A.            Luken             D      225-2216   2368 
 OH (10)  Clarence E.          Miller            R      225-5131   2208 
 OH (11)  Dennis E.            Eckart            D      225-6331   1210 
 OH (12)  John R.              Kasich            R      225-5355   1133 
 OH (13)  Don J.               Pease             D      225-3401   1127 
 OH (14)  Thomas C.            Sawyer            D      225-5231   1338 
 OH (15)  Chalmers P.          Wylie             R      225-2015   2310 
 OH (16)  Ralph                Regula            R      225-3876   2209 
 OH (17)  James A. Jr.         Traficant         D      225-5261   128  
 OH (18)  Douglas              Applegate         D      225-6265   2183 
 OH (19)  Edward F.            Feighan           D      225-5731   1124 
 OH (2)   Bill                 Gradison          R      225-3164   2311 
 OH (21)  Louis                Stokes            D      225-7032   2365 
 OH (2O)  Mary Rose            Oakar             D      225-5871   2231 
 OH (3)   Tony P.              Hall              D      225-6465   2448 
 OH (4)   Michael G.           Oxley             R      225-2676   1108 
 OH (5)   Delbert L.           Latta             R      225-6405   2309 
 OH (6)   Bob                  McEwen            R      225-5705   329  
 OH (7)   Michael              DeWine            R      225-4324   1705 
 OH (8)   Donald E. Buz        Lukens            R      225-6205   117  
 OH (9)   Marcy                Kaptur            D      225-4146   228  
 OK (1)   James M.             Inhofe            R      225-2211   1017 
 OK (2)   MIke                 Synar             D      225-2701   2441 
 OK (3)   Wes                  Watkins           D      225-4565   2348 
 OK (4)   Dave                 McCurdy           D      225-6165   409  
 OK (5)   Mickey               Edwards           R      225-2132   2434 
 OK (6)   Glenn                English           D      225-5565   2235 
 OR (1)   Les                  AuCoin            D      225-0855   2159 
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 PA (23)  William F. Jr.       Clinger           R      225-5121   1122 
 PA (3)   Robert A.            Borski            D      225-8251   3l4  
 PA (4)   Joe                  Kolter            D      225-2565   212  
 PA (5)   Richard T.           Schulze           R      225-5761   2369 
 PA (6)   Gus                  Yatron            D      225-5546   2267 
 PA (7)   Curt                 Weldon            R      225-2011   1233 
 PA (8)   Peter H.             Kostmayer         D      225-4276   123  
 PA (9)   Bud                  Shuster           R      225-2431   2268 
 PR       Jaime B.             Fuster            Pop.   225-2615   427  
 RI (1)   Fernand J.           St. Germain       D      225-4911   2108 
 RI (2)   Claudine             Schneider         R      225-2735   1512 
 Samoa    Fofo I.F.            Sunia             D      225-8577   1206 
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 TN (5)   Bill                 Boner             D      225-4311   107  
 TN (6)   Bart                 Gordon            D      225-4231   1517 
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 TN (8)   Ed                   Jones             D      225-4714   108  
 TN (9)   Harold E.            Ford              D      225-3265   2305 
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 VI       Ron                  de Lugo           D      225-1790   2238 
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 WY (AL)  Dick                 Cheney            R      225-2311   104  

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    someone told me that the Washington parks department estimate of
    march attendees was _lower_ than the Metro's count of "extra"
    passengers (number of passengers above their normal count)! that
    doesn't include the people who walked or took cabs (quite a few,
    judging from the numbers i saw as i rode through the city)
        
    phew!!

    Well, I'm still feeling energized by Sunday's march.  It was a
    wonderful experience.  The notes that I have read here say it
    better than I ever could.

    The one thing that really amazes me is the number of people I have
    talked to since I got back who's first response is a big, heart felt
    'Thank You'.  Many of them feel closer to the reality of it just
    knowing someone who was there.

    Mandy

    I'm so proud of you all.  Thank you all for your courage and your
    concern.
    
    Mary

    It's been suggested that some of the march participants would
    appreciate having another copy of their nametag made to keep as a
    souvenir, since some of the ones actually worn have gone away as a
    result.  If you marched, and you would like a fresh copy of your
    nametag, please send me mail and in a few days I'll print them up.
    
    						=maggie 

	The world seems to me a much uglier place this week, than last.
	Clearly, the people involved were doing what they felt in their
	hearts was right, but my mind struggles to comprehend how so
	many people can come to a conclusion that is, in itself,
	difficult for me to comprehend.

	There is also the frustrating feeling that if the time, money
	and energy spent by both sides on arguing over how to fight 
	the problem were spent instead on actually fighting the problem, 
	how much smaller the problem would be.

					Tom_K

    	re.286
    	I feel that the time, money and energy were all well spent in
    	an effort to gain awareness.  Awareness and being knowledgeable
        are first steps before "fighting the problem".
    	The rally and it's preperations succeeded in giving this world
    	an eye-opener which now enables many people to realize both the
    	importance and intensity of this issue and how united we can and
    	will better our lives.
    	Personally I've found this week exhilerating and would like to 
    	thank you all for your participation, especially those who were 
    	actively involved.
    
    Peace-                                                         
    Mary Jo

I think this is what you're looking for Renee.
	Mez


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    I had hoped to see some comments on the march in DC but have failed to
    detect them.
    
    I found it to be exhilarating. I especially enjoyed meeting Anne-Marie,
    Liz, Robin and Jennifer. It was also great seeing Sue, Mike and Tamz.
    
    As with these kinds of experiences, I find myself unable to begin to
    capture the spirit and electricity of having been there.
    
    It was great seeing so many DECies and wimmin-of-note there.
    
    Renee

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    <--(.286)
    
    Tom, I'm with you about the "time, money, and energy" part, but I feel
    sure the two sides would never agree on what "the problem" _is_. 
    
    A very clear indication of that, I think, is that you feel the March
    made the world "a much uglier place"...whereas I feel quietly hopeful
    that we may have given the government and the Court a message about how
    responsible, adult American citizens are not willing --for ANY reason--
    to go back to the days where the only way out was a bloody coathanger.
    
    						=maggie 

    re .286 (Tom)
    
>   The world seems to me a much uglier place this week, than last.
    
    Before last week, the the people that *ARE* trying to take away a
    woman's right to choose a safe a legal abortion, had the spotlight
    and a certain pretention of being the mainstream.
    
    This week the world knows that a sizable portion of our population
    do not agree with these people. This is what makes this week "ugly"
    to some. 600 thousand in the streets mean millions and millions back
    at home are saying that we are not murderers, we are not Nazzis.
    We want our rights!
    
    Those anti-abortion people could ***NEVER*** get hundreds of thousands
    of people out in public to openly deny a woman's right to choose.
    
    THEY are the minority, and the government including the Supreme
    Court know it. They also know that *we* know that *they* know it.
    That is why some think this week is so ugly.
    
    Les

    Les,
    
    These anti-abortion folks have had annual rallys of between 75,000
    and 100,000 people. I know we are in the majority but because abortion
    is actually an "ugly" thing to do, we have been a silent majority.
    NO LONGER. The sleeping giant has awakened. 
    
    Actually, we will never sway those who believe abortion is infanticide.
    If I believed that, I would march with them. They are dangerous,
    violent and convicted. To illustrate, did you se the news last night?
    They broke into a clinic and broke a workers nose. 70 were arrensted.
    They are threatening a clinic in Brookline with economic disaster.
    If the radical cry is"by any means necessary" consider them radicals
    in the 10th degree.
    
    Kate

    re .292
    
    Kate,
    
    I do not believe the antis could get their 75k if the issues were
    clear. I have no problem with anyone stating any way they wish that
    they would not have an abortion or do not like it. That is their
    business. These people have the state on their side. Also many churches
    are helping. These are very powerful institutions.
    
    The antis are dishonest. They only want to stop legal, safe abortions
    for the the millions of woman that may need them. They have no
    possibility of stopping abortions. Their leaders know this.
    
    These people are dangerous. Operation Rescue should be *DEFEATED*.
    They need to be defeated, and decisively.
    
>   They are threatening a clinic in Brookline with economic disaster.
    
    We should organize a counter mobilization at this clinic. I am sure
    that there are hundreds here at DEC that would take a day off to
    help escort people by them. We should get into the press and call
    on all others to join us.
    
    I am sure that there are enough people in the Boston area, including
    the colleges to keep these clinics open. Why can't we set an example
    with a Woman of Note march in support of this clinic, especially
    when they mobilize to harass it.
    
    In my opinion these people are criminals. They are bombing, they
    are roughing up people, and generally intimidating.
    
    Les

    
    I heard that the city of Brookline is suing these people for all
    the overtime they have had to spend on cops during the demonstrations
    at the clinic. I hope Brookline wins, as it's pretty clear that
    the reason they hold these demonstrations is to try and blackmail
    the city into getting the clinics to close so Brookline won't face
    financial ruin.                                               
    
    Roberta

April 10/11/12/13/14, 1989  (It's taking me a while to get this written!)

This is a very long note and I only write it because I myself can't get
enough of people's comments/reflections/memories of the event.  Skip ahead
when you get bored.

I went down to DC by train on Friday afternoon to visit with some of my
family before the march.  The young man I sat next to was a freshman at
Harvard.  He was very supportive of our efforts even though he was only
going as far as New York.  We got to reminiscing about other great events. 
He didn't remember John Kennedy's death as he wasn't born yet;  nor Martin
Luther King's speech - same reason (although he admitted that he could
never hear it without getting tears in his eyes).  But he said he did
remember where he was when the Challenger blew up and I did, too, so we did
have a shared memory after all. 

Saturday, I went to the Sackler museum on the Mall (new museum of oriental
art - HIGHLY recommended).  Everywhere I went, I kept peering into women's
faces wondering if they'd come for the march.  Some I thought for sure had
come to march.  They looked so strong and sure of who they were and what
they wanted.  Some had families and looked very traditional and I wasn't so
sure.  Some were old ladies together and I wasn't sure.  Everyone in white,
I was sure had come to march - but some of those white-wearers were so
unlikely looking - you know, conservative-looking. 

Sunday morning was nippy so I decided to wear all my white clothes,
including those I'd planned to take back to the store if I didn't wear
them.  I wore about five layers of silk and cotton tops plus long, silk 
underwear, cotton slacks, and a cotton skirt over the slacks.  Everything
was white so if I had to take anything off, I would still be wearing white. 
A heavy cotton pullover top combined with my running shoes and lavender
belt, made a somewhat strange-looking outfit but white and warm. 

If you see any pictures of the marchers, I'm the one wearing the Australian
outback hat.  I got it last autumn when I visited that glorious land.  It
was perfect for the day, kept the sun off, kept me warm.  Plus, many people
who don't recognize it for what it is (a treasure from a faraway land),
admire it, which pleases me a lot. 

My friend, Barbara Andrus (non-DECie) and I met at my subway stop.  As I
walked into the station in my whites, I noticed a few other women in white,
and some men, too.  I glanced at them but mainly felt shy.  Barbara arrived
on schedule and I welcomed her as a fellow  adventurer.

We were both now going back in the direction she had just come.  She told
me a lot of people were already walking toward the Mall from stops far from
it. The subway quickly filled up with people many wearing white.

We arrived at the Washington Monument grounds around 10 am.  It was hard to
find where Women of Notes was supposed to be.  We didn't see many markers 
- high on the hill near the Monument in section 06.  We went where we
thought it ought to be but I didn't recognize anyone, so we went off to
listen to the entertainment at the corner of Constitution Ave and the first
street there.  We went back and forth between 06 and the entertainment
buying buttons, reading signs, looking at the gathering crowd.  I got a
golden banner which read "March for Women's Equality" and centered under it
"Women's Lives."  (Many women wore them across one shoulder, around the
back, and fastened on a hip with a button that said something similar
written with lavender letters.  I can't remember the word for that kind of
thing.) 

A sign I saw that no one has mentioned yet - hand lettered, carried by an
older woman who seemed to be marching alone - "Read my list" -  With the
names of about 25 voters who couldn't make the march listed on it.  

The various groups were arranged more or less alphabetically so Women of
Note was very near the end of the march.  When we got to where =wn= was
supposed to be we scrutinized people's faces.  (Barbara A. had run into a
couple DECies by chance on the subway the day before and also searched for
a familiar face.) I only knew a few people by sight. Finally, I spotted a
familiar face - Barbara Bazemore.  (Bb)  Then Jane Halvorson, then Bonnie.
Yea!  We found our group!! Everyone was so welcoming.  

Then I saw our banner. It wasn't on high yet as it was so windy.  =maggie
was lovingly tutelaging it.  It was a _beautiful_ banner.  !!_Beautiful_!!
It had a circle of bright colors at each end with the words in black in the
middle.  By the time I got to sign the streamer, there was hardly any room
left on it.  Today, as I write this up, I'm glad my name is on that
streamer. 

When I came out of the Sackler Museum the day before, the annual Cherry
Blossom parade was just finishing on Constitution Avenue.   Now I was
gathering on the same wide avenue to march myself.  Each in her turn.  It
gave me a feeling of - my time had come.

This parade is about us peons.  Sometimes at great events I wish that I
could make a stirring speech and I fantasize about what I would say as I
wait for things to begin.  But not this time.  I just wanted to be a peon
today - one of hundreds of thousands of peons chanting the cadence  "What
do you want?"  "FREE CHOICE!"  "When do you want it?"  "NOW!"

People started marching around noon, I assume, although from our vantage
point high on the hill beneath the Washington Monument, I didn't see any
crowd movement for a long time.  Then a large group started going
perpendicularly to us - cutting across the row we were in.  Then some other
groups started to move and suddenly it looked like a movie scene of
old-time battlefields with various battalions moving incomprehensibly from
here to there in various directions following their flags/signs.  Our sign
held steady for a while, then it too started to move.  We followed it to
the bottom of the hill and out a very narrow break in a snow fence between
two sets of bleachers and onto Constitution Avenue.  

Constitution Avenue is six lanes of traffic wide.  It is _very_ wide.  Plus
there are wide sidewalks for watching parades and grass lawns in front of
broad government buildings.  The wide Avenue was completely filled with
marchers, from curb to curb.  At two o'clock, our group hadn't even begun
to march yet.  That's how many of us there were.  Six lanes wide, three and
a half hours worth of people marching.  Can you sense our numbers?

While waiting on the Avenue, I overheard someone asking a facilitator for
directions to their group but he said he couldn't help much anymore because
we had broken ranks and the plan wasn't what it had been. 

We were at the very end of the march.  If we turned around we could see an
empty street behind us.  We didn't move for a long time because another
great lot of marchers had moved onto a road that was perpendicular to us
and they were going ahead of us.

Our facilitators wore purple banners that said "FACILITATOR" in black
letters.  Before we started marching, they went among us gathering names so
Molly Yard (head of NOW) could count us.  The police evidently make
notoriously low crowd estimates.  I overheard a woman saying the police
estimated 100,000 people had been at Martin Luther King's great "I Have a
Dream" speech those many years ago but that there were a good quarter of a
million people there.  I'm happy to say a goodly number of black people
were there Sunday, too, black men as well as women.

Slowly we inched forward, then we were in the intersection and began the
real march.  Barbara and I are knitters and notice people's sweaters.  One
woman, who was pushing an older woman in a wheel chair, was wearing such a
beautiful sweater that we went over to ask her if she'd made it.  No, the
woman in the chair, her mother, had made it.  So we talked about patterns
as we marched for freedom.

I'm not much of a groupie, and I tend to have a bit of claustrophobia so
when things got too close, Barbara and I drifted over to the left edge of
the march.  We got behind what looked like young college women.  They had a
long banner that stretched at least half way across the Avenue.  At least
three of them were struggling to keep it up.  The one in front of us was
slender, wearing clean, faded jeans.  She had to lean to one side and sort
of jut her hip out in order to balance her pole against its weight and the
wind.  Her strong, slender arms went high onto the post and she held it
securely against her body.  And you could tell that there was no way that
pole was heavy for her.  She reminded me so much of what I think of the
suffragettes from olden times.  Young, vigorous, committed, and because of
these things perhaps, beautiful. They answered the question "What do you
want?" with the loud "FREE CHOICE!"  When do you want it?"  "NOW!" until
they were nearly hoarse.  

At one of the intersections, a few facilitators, looking pale and worried,
started directing us to move into the next lane.  Soon we came upon a line
of police standing facing us (parallel to the line of the march - not in
front of us).  Horses were behind them and behind the horses, on the
sidewalk, were some anti-choicers with signs, yelling some inflammatory
things.  A few marchers responded to them but not many (thank goodness). 
Mostly we just chanted "FREE CHOICE!"  "NOW!"

Every so often I'd look around to see where our banner was.  Sometimes it
was in front of us.  Sometimes we were in front.  Once I couldn't find it
and started feeling panicky, then noticed it was right beside us!!  I took
pictures of it but I'm not sure how they will turn out.  It was so crowded
I could never get a clear shot.

One advantage about being in the back of such a long parade is the that
some of the people in the front turn back to watch.  So the closer we got
to the Capitol Building, the more supporters there were cheering us and
waving to us. Some of them climbed into in the reviewing stands that were
still there from the Cherry Blossom parade the day before and acknowledged
us with claps and cheers and a radiance and joy. One woman leaned out far
over the waist-high rail clapping and cheering, her hands held high as
though to acknowledge each of us in turn.  People were on the porches of
the government buildings, poles - anywhere they could get a vantage point
of height.  

Being acknowledged like that by those who'd gone before was the very best
of all.  There was an energy created, sustained.  When we got as close to
the Capitol as we could, we too turned and welcomed those behind us.  It
was too impressive for words.  They/We just kept coming, cheering and
chanting "FREE CHOICE!"  "NOW!"  and carrying banners and filling the
Avenue from curb to curb.  Old, young, black, white, college kids, families
pushing their youngest in strollers which had signs on them like "Mother of
Two - By Choice", everyone was represented.  Everyone.  I heard later that
every state in the union was represented.  My friend's son went from
Wisconsin with his college group.  That's far away.

I left when the march stopped before the speakers were finished.  I
couldn't hear them and felt I'd made my point.  When I got to West Falls
Church, I realized I'd given all my change (and some bills, too) to the NOW
collectors so I couldn't telephone for a ride.  I was still wearing my
golden banner with the black letters "March for Women's Equality/ Women's
Lives" written on it. Plus all my buttons (about 6 - 8).  As I crossed the
street in suburban Virginia, a man nearly ran me down trying to read my
banner;  another honked his horn at me and waved.

I took the Night Owl that night back to Boston.  The waiting room was
mobbed. I met Barbara Bazemore and Marty in the waiting room and we agreed
to visit them after we boarded.  But as it turned out, we couldn't get
through as there were so many people camped out in the aisles.  The train
left Union Station in DC at 10:30 pm Sunday night.

My friend Barbara A. and I ran along train to try to find a place to board
that wasn't already crowded.  It was a long train.  We finally came to the
end and found two seats together about a quarter of the way from the front. 
Even before the train started a few people filtered down to our end looking
for seats.  We felt fortunate.  

At the first stop people got on for whom there were no seats so they
arranged themselves in the aisle to try to sleep as best they could.  As I
started to doze off I felt something brush my arm and looked up to see the
conductor negotiating the aisle by stepping on the arms of the seats
steadying himself by holding onto the overhead luggage racks, so as not to
disturb the passengers sprawled in the aisle.  

Then the conductor announced they were adding two more cars at the next
stop and the people in the aisle thinned out.

At route 128, this morning Barbara went to get us some tea for breakfast. 
She overheard the conductors marveling that there were 1,000 people on the
train;  it was as long as legally permitted (nine cars plus sleepers, I
think).  One woman still slept in the aisle although there were some seats
available by then. 

First thing I did of course was buy The NY Times and the Boston Globe to
see what they saw fit to print.  The Times was best I thought.  Most
accurate, most complete.

                          <** Moderator Response **>

    Please could we keep this string to responses about last Sunday's
    march?  It really isn't fair to start pro/con arguments or using
    inflammatory arguments in a string devoted to planning and reporting.
    Particularly when the argument topic has strong restrictions on the
    form of responses entered there.   Thanks gyns & guys.
    
    						=maggie

re .295 

>supposed to be we scrutinized people's faces.  (Barbara A. had run into a
>couple DECies by chance on the subway the day before and also searched for
>a familiar face.) I only knew a few people by sight. Finally, I spotted a

Barbara, my sister, and myself were *helping* each other to find our proper 
train/direction on the Metro Saturday afternoon, only to find out we were 
all headed in the same direction(-:. Both she and I were surprised (after 
talking a few moments) that we would probably be meeting again Sunday 
afternoon to march with the DEC WoN delegation.


~robin

re .291

	But not why I do.

re .292

	I am not dangerous, violent, nor convicted of anything more
	than a traffic ticket. I am strongly offended by your statement
	that I am.

	I have not broken into any clinic, nor have I broke anyone's nose,
	nor do I threaten anyone with anything. I am also offended at 
	your statement that I am.

re .293

	I am not dishonest. Nor am I dangerous. I am offended at your
	statements to the contrary.


	I entered a reply which in all honesty summed up my feelings in
	the most inoffensive way I could find. I return I am accused of
	dangerous, violent and illegal activity. Is it still any wonder
	why I sometimes lose my temper, and reply in a similar manner?

re .296:

	Like .290? :-) (See, some sense of humor left)

				Tom_K

    	RE:  .298
    
    	Tom_K, your reply may have been written in the least offensive
    	way that you could find to write it, but your choice of words was
    	inflammatory (in your original reply in this string.)
    
    	Please honor Maggie's request in .296 to keep this string
   	dedicated to responses about the March (without starting pro/con
    	arguments involving differences in ideology.)
    
    	This is (essentially) an "experiences" note, so please respect
    	it and take your ideological arguments to topic 183.

re .299

	This is my fourth reply in this string. I hope it is my last.

	The first, (.8) was to respond to an inflammatory entry (.3).
	If you have a complaint, it should be to the author of .3, not me.

	The second, (.286) was to express my feelings about the topic
	event. Others who did not directly participate had  done so. I do 
	not see any reason for singling out a particular person for doing 
	so. I waited quite a time after the event before entering
	a reply, because it took that long for me to find a way of saying
	what I felt in a way that would be as low key as possible.

	The third (.298) was to voice objections to offensive statements. I did
	not escalate the discussion, even though I have cause to. I believe
	this is in accordance with the request in .296. I was not 
	argumentative, but others chose to be argumentative. Who gets beat on?

	Neither .286, .298 nor this reply have made ideological arguments.

re .300

	Tom_K's Criminal record:

		Nov ?? 1982 (I think) Parking ticket. My landlord was 
		re-surfacing the driveway, and I parked in the street
		in front of the house. I had forgotten that the winter 
		parking ban had begun.

		Nov ?? 1982 (I think) A few days later. Operating an
		unregistered vehicle. I had registered the car in Sept,
		and forgot that the registration expired the next month.

	In 33 years, I've forgotten a couple of dates. And made restitution
	to society for these terrible and dangerous crimes. I really don't 
	think that is what comes to mind when someone says that someone is 
	"convicted". As for the comparison to Al Capone, I think I'm 
	offended again, but I might just be simply astounded.

							Tom_K

    I'm so happy that I found this note! I was also at the march, but I didn't
    know there was such a group of Womennoters down there! I spend most of my
    noting time in Parenting, and only check into Womannotes occasionally so I
    missed all the excitement here! I really wish I knew about this
    organization ahead of time so I could have met all of you. Maybe there will
    be another time?!?

    I belong to NH NOW, and thanks to Judy Blachek I had all the information
    needed to meet the NH group. I was actually vacationing at my parent's
    house in Raleigh, NC so I drove up from there with my 22 year old sister -
    a student at Appalachian State in Boone, NC.

    I am SOOO glad I went. I think the march is going to be the highlight of
    1989 for me. The energy, the joy, the chills...

    I find it amazing that so many people did make it to the march in spite of
    the little bit of publicity. Did anyone hear about the TV ad NOW had put
    together? Unfortunately they made it controversial, so the stations
    wouldn't air it.

    One other thought. I can't forget about all the lost children. At one point
    in the afternoon they said the list of lost children was so long they
    couldn't announce all the names. Instead they told everyone to meet at the
    portojohns. I hope all the children found their parents without too much
    anxiety.

    
    
    
    The April 24, 1989 issue of People Magazine has an article and 
    and pictures (mostly of Celebs) of the march.

    Kathi
    
    

    	One thing I've noticed on Cable's Headline News is that the
    	March (and the whole Pro-Choice movement) seem to be getting
    	a lot more airtime (even without any furthur demonstrations on
    	our part.)
    
    	They reported a few days ago that the press seems to be having
    	difficulty over the terms to use for each side - [that sounds
    	kinda familiar] - and that Pro-Life factions are complaining now
    	that the press sort of deliberately calls the Pro-Choice movement
    	whatever we want to be called (while calling the Pro-Life movement
    	"anti-abortion," which sounds a lot more negative than PRO-CHOICE.)

    	When pressed (no pun intended) to call the Pro-Choice movement 
    	"pro abortion," the press STILL tends to use phrases like "those
    	who favor legalized abortion" or "abortion rights advocates"
	(which Pro-Life groups claim is STILL an attempt on the part
    	of the Press to show the Pro-Choice movement in a more positive
    	light than the Pro-Life movement.)
    
    	When the poll came out that showed that a majority of Americans
    	favor legalized abortion, Headline News claimed that public
    	opinion was in the process of turning more towards Pro-Choice
    	than Pro-Life (even though many of the people being polled don't
    	actually approve of abortion itself.)

    	These were stories (about the movement) that came up on their
    	own (without being the result of any new demonstrations on either
    	side.)
    
    	The March has definitely brought attention to some of the issues
    	involved in the movement.  (Some of the recent news items sound 
    	so much like things we've debated here that I can't *believe* I'm 
    	really hearing them being discussed in a national news broadcast.)
    
    	The March has definitely brought us some new friends (and additional
	awareness) of the Pro-Choice movement.  
    
    	Your marching has made a huge difference!!!  Thank you all again!!!

    I've just received clippings from the Washington Post 10 April edition
    (the day after the march).  We made front page in three of the four
    sections (Front page, national news, 2 articles; Style section,
    celebrity and people issues, 2 articles; Metro section, on the city
    impact, 1 article.)  There were 5 or 6 photos, including at least
    two panoramas showing the huge crowds covering the west lawn of
    the Capitol and jamming Constitution and Pennsylvania as far back
    as the camera could show.  The article on the front page mentioned
    the "few hundred counter demonstrators" and the dispute over whether
    it was "only" three hundred thousands of us or more.  Since I missed
    all the tv coverage, these clippings really brought it all back.
    
    DougO

    
    From Ann 
    
    The march was one of most heart-warming experiences I've ever had!
    Wanted to get back into Notes much earlier, but managed to get the
    
    flu by Tuesday (no connection with the march -- I'm sure!)
    
    This is to say Hi to Maggie, and congrats again on that beautiful
    banner.  Maggie, I'm in your building at Tut:: and would love to
    show you the pix.  But our system has been crazy and we haven't
    been able to send mail all week.  Mail me or call at 62063 if you'd
    like.
    
    Kate, guess what.  The pix outdoors on Sunday came out great, but
    not, alas, the pix of our pre-march dinner.  Wanted to go the the
    Womannotes party to show you the pictures, but succumbed to this
    awful bug and missed it. Shoot!
    
    Am looking for two things, if anyone has them:
    
    Names of the courageous Congresspersons who spoke at the rallies
    (before and after).  Would like to send thanks.
    
    Address for the tape of above speeches.  NOW passed out a form which
    I saw, but don't have a copy of.  Maybe you can just give me the
    address, somebody, if you have it.
    
    The battle is joined!  Gov. Gregg of NH has just vetoed a prochoice
    bill passed by both houses in NH.  Tragic.
    
    Do the pols have any understanding of the political uprising that's
    underway.  For each of the 600,000 (it was 600,000) in Washington,
    we all know how many people stood behind us at home.  If you add
    ten supporters to each marcher, you have 6 million people already,
    and I think that's a low estimate.  
    
    Women just aren't mechanical baby-making machines.  Or does that
    come as news to anybody here???
    
    It was so great to meet all the Womannoters down there -- and so
    many supportive men.   Especially hello again to our dinner group
    that made it to the Hyatt in spite of exhausting trip.  
    
    Ann
    
    
    

    Is there anyone who could send me a picture of the banner?

    I'm way out here in California and we seem to miss out on so much.
    
    I'd like to put the photo up in my office to remind everyone that
    Digital people support worthy causes and how important 'Women of
    Note' are.
    
    Thanks,
    Jodi-
    
    
    
     
   

    Hello all.  A little info to add.  Mike Gallagher, a reporter for the 
    Beacon (a local weekly paper) who was on one of the Worcester, MA 
    buses, wrote a very good, thoughtful article that was published in 
    the April 16 Sunday Independent.  It was his first demonstration
    of any kind, and his first trip to D.C.  He was quite impressed.
    Two things he mentioned -- he'd been told that the media would report
    no more than 250,000 even if the crowd was obviously larger.  USA
    Today reported the growd at 250,000.  He was also angry at the
    superficialty of the reporting in the Boston Globe.  He didn't go
    to see celebrities, and he didn't think the rest of us did either.
    Neither was he interested in what they were wearing.  I took a look
    at People Magazine today, and although they did show just how large
    the crowd was, they also featured the celeb's fashions.  Time to
    write letters to editors.
    
    Karen
    

    I just came from the Nashua NOW meeting where people brought their
    pictures from the march.
    
    I wasn't even part of the making of the Women of Note banner, 
    but I have to say that it was BEAUTIFUL, and made me proud of the 
    Women at DEC. Seeing that picture of the banner brought tears to my eyes!
    
    Gale

    Tomorrow, Tuesday, May 2, is the meeting to share our march
    experiences.

    We are meeting from 11:00 to 1:00 in the Euler room, ZK2-2.  Bring
    your march memorabilia and your lunch.
    
    judy

    This coming Sunday, May 21st, the March will be the subject of the
    service at First Parish Unitarian-Universalist in Bedford, Mass.
    
    Quite a few people from 1st Parish went to Washington and they have
    prepared this Sunday morning service as a way of sharing their
    experience with those who had to stay at home.  The service starts at
    10:00 and lasts about an hour, followed by coffee and a moderated
    discussion period until noon.  
    
    First Parish is the big white Church on the common in the middle of
    town.  You can't miss it.  Come and join us for a lively discussion.
    

    I just got the August Ms. On page 38-39 there is a two page photo of
    the march. On page 38 near the top and on the right-hand side, if you
    know what it looks like, you can see the Woman of Notes banner. I
    spotted it because I recognized the rainbow circle pattern. For those
    of you who don't know what it looks like, it's about 1 inch below the
    blue and white striped tent. You can see the circle of women on it who
    are all the colors of the rainbow.