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Conference turris::womannotes-v2

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V2 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1105
Total number of notes:36379

17.0. "Notes Hints and Tips" by MOSAIC::TARBET () Mon Jun 06 1988 13:39

    
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17.1Thanks, Bonnie.MEWVAX::AUGUSTINEPurple power!Thu Sep 15 1988 11:5627
    This note is for asking about notes usage and for giving particularly
    useful hints. It was inspired by a similar note in another conference.
    And for our first hint...

        
DOODAH::RANDALL "Bonnie Randall Schutzman"           17 lines  15-SEP-1988 09:44
                                -< here's how >-
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    When you want to enter a note in several files, the simplest
    way is to type the text into a file.  Then, from in the notes
    file, type:
    
    NOTES> WRITE filename.type              (to start a new note)
    NOTES> REPLY filename.type              (to reply to an existing note)

    If you want to cross-post an existing note, type:
    
    NOTES> EXTRACT filename.type Note-number 
    
    This creates a file of the desired name in your default directory.
    You can then write this file to the other notes files as if you
    had typed it in yourself. (There are lots of options on Extract;
    you can type HELP EXTRACT to learn about some of them.) 
    
    --bonnie 
17.2The Case of the Missing NotesSHIRE::BIZEWed Sep 21 1988 09:2923
    In the old version of WN, when I logged in I got the message "server
    is running old protocol XYZ". I also frequently got the message
    "Note ABC is being written". When I would log in later in the day
    or the following day, I would not have Note ABC in my UNSEEN, and
    would thus miss reading it unless I had noted the number or had
    to go back on a conversation to follow the threads.
    
    Since we have the new version of WN, I get the message "Server is
    running new protocol 2/3" and have never again had the message "Note
    ABC is being written". Now is that a coincidence (i.e. I just didn't
    happen to hit Next Unseen while something was being written) or
    did the new version cure this problem?
    
    This is pure curiosity, but was triggered by the fact that, though
    I have been reading notes more regularly than I used to, I seem
    to miss some notes once in a while.
    
    Joana
    
    PS: I use a procedure to extract notes nightly and read them in
        my mail, but I also log in frequently to see what's happening,
        so the "missing" notes have me puzzled. 
                                                
17.3CoincidentalATPS::GREENHALGEMouseWed Sep 21 1988 09:367
    
    Joana,
    
    This is purely coincidence.  I have often seen the message "Note
    ABC is being written" while reading this file.
    
    Beckie
17.4MEWVAX::AUGUSTINEPurple power!Wed Sep 21 1988 10:2917
    Joana,
    
    The message about "server running xyz protocol" is displayed when the
    version of notes that you're running and the version of notes running
    on the remote machine are different. 
    
    In the old file, we had a lot of trouble with half-written notes. And
    actually, you didn't miss much; those notes have to be deleted and
    re-entered. I suspect that upgrading the version of notes on MOSAIC has
    helped alleviate this problem. 

    I still see the "this note being written" message on occasion. It
    happens when someone's entering a new note and I try to read it before
    it's written out.
    
    Hope this helps.
    Liz 
17.5Here is my 2 pennies worth.METOO::LEEDBERGWed Sep 21 1988 14:2022
	Sometimes if the person writing the note across the net has
	problems with the network connection then the note is never
	completely written and is left in limbo and the moderators
	need to delete it.   During the system transition on the cluster
	where =wn= resides there were a lot of network hangs of processes
	and a larger number of notes were seen in the "note being written"
	state.  It had to do with limited resources on the host machine
	for network traffic.

	I too extract to  mail and read  new notes there and only occasionaly
	go directly to =wn=.  The network connection between here (OGO)
	and there (LJO) is terrible.  The two sites are about 10 miles
	apart but our network link goes all over the world before it gets
	there.

	_peggy

		(-)
		 |
			I think I may have caught the "have to give
			an answer" syndrome from someone. Yikes...

17.6You can delete your own "being written" notesQUARK::LIONELAd AstraWed Sep 21 1988 16:4410
    Re: .5 (and notes "being written")
    
    What I find a lot of noters don't understand is that THEY can delete
    their partial notes that are "being written".  A noter can also
    change the title of their note, and set their own base note /NOWRITE
    (or /WRITE).  In essence, an author has the same privileges as
    a moderator for a note they wrote.  It is not necessary to ask
    a moderator to do these things.
    
    				Steve
17.7MEWVAX::AUGUSTINEPurple power!Wed Sep 21 1988 17:017
    re .6 (addendum)
    
    BUT, you must be logged into the same node that you originally used
    when you wrote the note. otherwise, notes won't recognize you as
    the same person.
    
    liz
17.8hint for "being written"LDP::SCHNEIDERWed Sep 21 1988 23:478
    For interactive readers who come across a note that really, really
    IS "being written", a possible convenience is to go ahead and "next
    unseen" it, read the new note to kill a few moments, then "previous
    note" (the "-" keypad key.) You can keep doing this until you either
    can read the "being written" note, or become convinced that it isn't
    going to make it.
    
    Chuck
17.9QUARK::LIONELAd AstraThu Sep 22 1988 01:0310
    Re: .6
    
    This is true, unless you're on a cluster with a cluster alias.
    But I didn't really want to get into that, as most people always
    note from the same system.
    
    Another thing the author can do which I didn't mention is to
    set their own note hidden or unhidden.
    
    					Steve
17.10Where to find a conferenceWMOIS::B_REINKEAs true as water, as true as lightThu Sep 22 1988 16:3741
I have copied this note, leaving the original where Alfred entered it,
    to make the information more readily available for future readers.
    
    Bonnie
    
               <<< MOSAIC::$2$DJA6:[NOTES$LIBRARY]WOMANNOTES-V2.NOTE;1 >>>
                        -< Topics of Interest to Women >-
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Note 196.3*              Need help finding a conference                   3 of 4
CVG::THOMPSON "Basically a Happy Camper"             28 lines  21-SEP-1988 16:30
                         -< where to find conferences >-
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    I may have said this before but here goes again.
    
    Several places to find out about a conference.
    
    1. ANCHOR::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS
    
    	This is an ASCII text file (you can PRINT, COPY, TYPE, SEARCH
    	and/or EDIT it but you *can't* read it with Notes) that is
    	updated weekly. It lists well over 1000 conferences grouped
    	by subject.
    
    2. VTX EASYNOTES
    
    	This is the VTX version of EASYNOTES.LIS.
    
    3. TLE::EASYNET_CONFERENCES (hit KP7 to add to your notebook)
    
    	This is the notes conference where conferences are announced.
    	The DIR/TITLE command is very useful here. Also topic 2.*
    	has all the announced files listed one group to a reply.

    	You can enter a new note (in EASYNET_CONFERENCES) asking about 
    	the existence of an unannounced conference but please be sure 
    	you've made a real good effort to make sure one hasn't been
	announced already. The moderator can be a real grump. 
    
    			Alfred - moderator EASYNET_CONFERENCES
    				 editor EASYNOTES.LIS
17.11recovering a buffer when a note is lost.MEWVAX::AUGUSTINEPurple power!Wed Nov 09 1988 12:3671
    Copy of notes 5.121, .124 and .125
    
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Note 5.121             HOT BUTTONS!! (delete when cooled)             121 of 131
HANDY::MALLETT "Split Decision"                      29 lines   3-NOV-1988 18:00
                    -< I've met the enemy and they are me! >-
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    Set mind/attitude=triple_furious:
    
    I'm angry:
    
    When I went to enter a reply of several paragraphs,
    I got blown off the net - "partner exited" or some such

    I'm double-mad:
    
    It was, just for a change, a serious reply to a serious question
    (the note on mood shift during menstruation); it took a while to
    compose and, since it was written from personal experience, it
    had a certain degree of emotional punch in it for me.
    
    I'm triple-furious:
    
    I *know* there's a way to recover the buffer - with the aid of
    a moderator, I did it once.  But did I write the solution down?
    
    Noooooooooooo
    
    Think I'll just go chew my wrists open while playing in traffic.
    
    Steve
    
    P.S.  If anyone can quote me the solution, I'm sure my next of
    	  kin will appreciate not having to go through a similar
    	  fate. . .
    

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Note 5.124             HOT BUTTONS!! (delete when cooled)             124 of 131
OCTAVE::VIGNEAULT "Spell it ALL-IN-1"                10 lines   3-NOV-1988 18:48
                           -< REPLY/LAST (re:.121) >-
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    re: .121
    
    Try REPLY/LAST - This will reply using the text of the last note
    entered. For instance if I posted a note in conf A and wanted to
    post the same note in conf B, once in conf B I'd just type 
    REPLY/LAST.  I've used this before after having been disconnected
    from a conference.
    
    - Larry
    

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Note 5.125             HOT BUTTONS!! (delete when cooled)             125 of 131
MEWVAX::AUGUSTINE "Purple power!"                    10 lines   3-NOV-1988 23:36
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    or you can write the buffer out to a file and enter the note later.
    if you're at the notes prompt, type
    	Notes> eve buffer notes$edit
        [in editor]
    	<do>write save.wn
    
    and steve, i hope you reconstruct your note rather than chewing
    your wrists open -- a much less messy solution.
    
    liz
17.12Moving a ResponseRAINBO::TARBETSet ----- hiddenTue Nov 22 1988 12:0917
                         -< It's a good skill to have >-

    To move a response:
    
    1. Go to the response and type ANS (or RE)
    2. Copy all of the old response just as though you were going to
       quote it.
    3. When that's done, hit DO and type QUIT.  You now have a copy
       of the rx to be moved in your edit buffer.
    4. Go to the string you want to move it to, and type ANS/LAST (or
       if you want to make it a new basenote, type WR/LAST)
    5. Finish entering it normally, then go back and delete the original.
    
    The whole process is really easier to do than to describe, especially
    once you've done it a couple times.


17.13faster wayTFH::MARSHALLhunting the snarkTue Nov 22 1988 12:1826
    re .12:
    
    an alternative method, that I find a little faster is this:
    
    instead of these three steps:
    
    > 1. Go to the response and type ANS (or RE)
    > 2. Copy all of the old response just as though you were going to
    >    quote it.
    > 3. When that's done, hit DO and type QUIT.  You now have a copy
    >    of the rx to be moved in your edit buffer.
    
    I prefer this:
    
    1. Go to the first response you want to move.
       type EXTRACT/BUFFER NOTES$EDIT
    
    {then continue at Maggie's step 4}
    
                                                   
                  /
                 (  ___
                  ) ///
                 /
    
    
17.14HANDY::MALLETTSplit DecisionTue Nov 22 1988 13:0435
    re: 4.50  (this has been moved from 4.52 by the method described
    	       below which is another alternative to 4.51)
    
               <<< MOSAIC::$2$DJA6:[NOTES$LIBRARY]WOMANNOTES-V2.NOTE;1 >>>
                        -< Topics of Interest to Women >-
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Note 4.52                      Responses to Intros                      52 of 52
HANDY::MALLETT "Split Decision"                      25 lines  22-NOV-1988 12:22
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    'Nuther alternative
    
    1)  Position yourself at the reply you wish to move
    
    2)  Notes>  ext filename.ext	("ext" abbreviates "extract"
    					 and "filename.ext" is any filename
    					 you choose)
    
    3)  Notes>  del			("del" abbreviates "delete")
    
        Are you sure you wish to delete nnn.nn? Y/N  (nnn.nn is your reply; 
    						      confirm or decline
    						      by entering either
    						      "y" or "n"
    
    4)	Position yourself at the new topic
    
    5)  Notes> reply/edit filename.ext	(your file will be called into
    					 the EVE editing buffer and
    					 you can then delete the header
    					 you'll find attached.
    
    Steve
    
    						       
17.15The future is here!QUARK::LIONELOne VoiceTue Nov 22 1988 13:0527
    I generally use the NOTES$EDIT method that Steve Marshall described.
    
    However, once VAX NOTES V2 comes around, all of this will be
    unnecessary, as the author or a moderator will be able to move a note
    by simply typing:
    
    	Notes> SET NOTE /NOTE_ID=n.m
    
    VAX NOTES V2 is currently in field test.  To use this feature, three
    things are necessary:
    
    	1.  You must be using VAX NOTES V2 or later
    
    	2.  The node the conference is on must be running V2 or later
    	    (identified with a "protocol version" of 2/4 or higher).
    
    	3.  The conference file must have been created by V2 or have
    	    been run through CONVERT/FDL using the FDL file found at
    	    CLT""::NOTES$KIT:NOTES$COMPRESS.FDL.
    
    For more info on the field test of VAX NOTES V2, see the
    CLT::VAXNOTES_V2_IFT conference.
    
    I've been running this on QUARK and have converted all my conferences,
    and the SET NOTE/NOTE_ID feature is "just what the moderator ordered"!
    
    				Steve
17.16Unwanted Type AheadCADSE::ARMSTRONGMon Feb 27 1989 11:2318
    I recently learned something new that I find helpful in many
    situations...and NOTES is one of them.  thought I'ld share it.

    Something that I accidentally do now and then is to hold a key
    down too long so that it 'repeats' real fast.  If this were the
    'read next unseen' key, I'ld be in real trouble..it would
    cause me to basically set all the unseen notes to seen without
    being able to read them.  I MIGHT quickly hit 'control Y' exiting
    out of NOTES, but then I would have to re-read all the notes
    i've already read.....

    Anyway, I recently learned that the 'Control X' key will
    cancel all unprocessed 'type ahead', including carriage
    returns and everything (Control U only cancels back to the
    last carriage return)

    Good Luck....
    bob
17.17Some advanced edit techniquesHSSWS1::GREGThe Texas ChainsawTue Feb 28 1989 21:53111
    re: .16 
    
    	   You can, if you so desire, turn off the AutoRepeat function
    	of VT2xx and VT3xx terminals (I don't remember if that option
    	exists on VT1xx terminals).
    
    	   Control-X does indeed 'flush' the typeahead buffer.
    
    	   Control-Y is considered a 'disorderly interrupt'.  It halts
    	the execution of the program, but does not perform image rundown.
    	Therefore, when you hit Control-Y you are really still in the
    	program (Notes), you just become inactive,  If you wish to 
    	recover from an accidental Control-Y, the CONTINUE command will
    	resume execution.  It may then be necessary to do a Control-W
    	to refresh the screen.
    
    	   Incidentally, while you have broken out of the program with
    	a Control-Y, it is possible to execute certain DCL commands
    	(such as WRITE, which I use to clear the screen) and still
    	remain in the context of the program (i.e. capable of resuming
    	it with CONTINUE).  However, once you issue a command which
    	executes another program, the image rundown is performed on the
    	aborted image (in this case, Notes) before execution begins on
    	the new image.
    
    	   Back to Control-W... this is a multiply useful command.
    	It is almost universally used as the "Refresh Screen" sequence,
    	but screen refresh routines have other interesting side effects.
    	Since the refresh routines rebuild a screen from scratch, it
    	clears any errant screen control problems (such as those caused
    	by modem line noise generating control sequences that put your
    	screen in graphics mode).  So if your screen goes into 
    	Heiroglyph mode, try Control-W.
    
    	   Lately I have found myself entering a goodly amount of 
    	tabular data into Notes.  The automatic margins of Notes
    	are 5 (on the left) and 75 (right).  This may be great for
    	most notes, but for tables and matrices it is too confining.
    	Since Notes uses TPU (in my case, with an EDT emulator), I
    	simply use the "SET LEFT MARGIN 1" and "SET RIGHT MARGIN 80"
    	to open the screen up.  If you like, you can spread out to 
    	even wider screens by using "SET SCREEN 132", then setting
    	the margins accordingly.  Remember, though, that most people
    	read in eighty column mode.  You should only use 132 columns
    	when you mean for the note to be printed out, rather than
    	read directly.  And if the printer in question is an LN03
    	(or other 80-column default printer), then you get to play
    	a new game... it's called pitch adjustment.
    
    	   DEC printers respond to a similar set of escape sequences.
    	Some understand more of the sequences than others, but almost
    	all understand a few basic set.  As it happens, that includes
    	the pitch adjustment sequence.  There are usually 6 pitches
    	available on dot-matrix printers.  The two most commonly used
    	pitches are the default (10 c.p.i) and 132-column mode (16.5
    	c.p.i.).  The escape sequence to turn on 132-column mode is
    	"<ESC>[4w".  To return to 80-column mode it is "<ESC>[w".
    
    	   To generate the <ESC> escape character, you have a couple
    	of options.  You could press the ESC key twice (if in VT100
    	mode), or press Control-3 twice (using the 3 on the keyboard, not
    	the keypad).  Alternatively, you could also use EDT's SPECINS
    	(special insert) function to create an escape by pressing
    	"<GOLD>27<GOLD><KP3>".  
    
    	   Now, if you like those flashy new characters everyone
    	seems to be using, again you have a few ways to do so.  These
    	characters (often referred to as the Technical Character Set)
    	can be generated by using the <COMPOSE> key in conjunction
    	with the two characters that appear to be merged to create
    	the new character.  This is a bit of an abstract concept, and
    	deserves more explanation.  For example, the cent sign looks like
    	a lowercase "c" merged with a vertical brace "|".  Thus, to create
    	this character you press "<COMPOSE>c|", and viola... cent sign.
    	Some of the combinations are not so obvious.  For example, the
    	"bullet" character (a raised lowercase "o") is made by COMPOSing
    	lowercase "o" and the caret "^".  
    
    	   Of course, VT1xx terminals do not have COMPOSE keys, nor can
    	they display these flashy new characters.  Fear not!  For even
    	the lowly VT100 terminal has the power to create these new
    	characters (even if it can't understand them.  What follows is
    	a chart which shows the ASCII character number of these new
    	characters.  Print this list out (preferably on an LN03) and
    	keep it near you, and you too will be able to impress your
    	friends.  Use the SPECINS function, as decribed earlier, to
    	create the new characters.  For example, if you wanted to 
    	create a character 231, press "<GOLD>231<GOLD><KP3>".
    
    	   Here's the chart:
    
161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 
 �   �   �       �       �   �   �   �   �                   �   �   �   �

181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 
 �   �   �       �   �   �   �   �       �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �  

201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 
 �   �   �   �   �   �   �       �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �  

221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 
 �       �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �    

241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 
 �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   �   

    
    	   Well, I suppose I've bored you enough for now.  Have fun.
    	That's the most important thing, I think.
    
    	- Greg
17.18Even more detailREGENT::BROOMHEADDon&#039;t panic -- yet.Wed Mar 01 1989 08:4411
    Greg may have confused some of you with his bullet example.
    A <compose>, "o", "^" will get you a lower case o with a circumflex
    over it.  The bullet is a raised dot, so you get it by combining the
    up arrow and the period: <compose>, ".", "^".  To get the raised
    zero (degree) symbol, type <compose>, "0", "^".  And to get the
    small raised "o" with the line under it, type <compose>, "o", "_".
    
    The order in which you type the two characters after the compose
    is rarely important, and the same for the case of the characters.
    
    						Ann B.
17.19... but everything else works.HSSWS1::GREGThe Texas ChainsawWed Mar 01 1989 17:517
    re: .18 (Ann)
    
    	   Sorry.  You're right.  I composed that note on a PC running
    	a very crude VT100 emulator, so I couldn't verify what I was
    	saying as I said it.  Thanks for the correction.
    
    	- Greg
17.20TFH::MARSHALLhunting the snarkWed Mar 01 1989 18:2415
    re .18:
    
    > The order in which you type the two characters after the compose
    > is rarely important, and the same for the case of the characters.

    One of the very few exceptions (meaning that order is important) is the
    one I find myself using most often (since it is the symbol for micro-)
    is the Greek letter mu (�) which is "<COMPOSE>/u"
    
                                                   
                  /
                 (  ___
                  ) ///
                 /
     
17.21On DECwindows, Compose-space enters compose modeQUARK::LIONELThe dream is aliveThu Mar 02 1989 09:139
    Those of you running DECwindows will likely be frustrated when
    trying to use compose sequences, as it is not sufficient to just
    press the "Compose Character" key.  With DECwindows, hold down
    the "Compose Character" key (also labelled "Alt", or something like
    that on newer keyboards) and press the space bar.  Now let those
    keys go and press the compose sequence as described in the
    previous notes.
    
    			Steve
17.23RAINBO::TARBETkwatzMon Mar 06 1989 10:371
    Have you tried connecting to the node directly, Mike?
17.25One "quick and dirty" way to take care of this...NEXUS::CONLONMon Mar 06 1989 11:1122
    	RE:  .24
    
    	It doesn't make any difference if you connect directly to
    	the node in question as long as the node that establishes
    	the "cluster alias" is still booted, too.
    
    	The condition that causes "COORS" to be used instead of
    	the cluster alias is the absence of the node that establishes
    	the alias.  (So, if you want to go back to your note from
    	"COORS" and not "CSC32," you have to pick a time when the
    	same condition exists -- that is, when the node that establishes
    	the alias is down or when the alias is not being used.)
    
    	What I've done once or twice is to shut down the node on NEXUS
    	that establishes our cluster alias (and set it for autoreboot.)
    	While it is down, I quickly go in and delete my note while I
    	am still on "GALACH" instead of our cluster alias "NEXUS."
    
    	Of course, I did this at 3am or some such hour (when no one
    	else was logged in to our node that establishes cluster alias.)
    	Since we've gotten our new group of system managers, though,
    	I haven't done it at all.  :-)  (In case they see this.) :-)
17.26It's done with NCP, not mirrors... :-)NEXUS::CONLONMon Mar 06 1989 11:326
    	By the way, if anyone wants to look this up furthur, the
    	procedure for establishing a cluster alias is given in
    	VMS 4.4 doc set "Networking Manual" (on page 1-11 and page
    	3-10.)

    							Suzanne :)
17.27Cluster "alias outgoing enabled" more importantQUARK::LIONELThe dream is aliveMon Mar 06 1989 12:1947
    Re: .24-.26
    
    While I believe what Suzanne says is true - if your cluster alias
    router is not up, you won't get the cluster name in your notes, this
    is not the most common cause of this problem.
    
    The most common cause is that the system manager on your cluster
    has not redefined the NOTES object to specify that the alias should
    be used on outgoing connections.  The syntax to do this is:
    
    	$ MCR NCP DEFINE OBJECT NOTES ALIAS OUTGOING ENABLED
    
    and then on every cluster node:
    
    	$ MCR NCP SET OBJECT NOTES ALIAS OUTGOING ENABLED
    
    This need be done only once, and it will stay in effect until
    explicitly overriden, even across new installations of NOTES or VMS.
    
    I have asked the NOTES people to make this the default in their
    installation, but have had no reply.  There is absolutely no harm
    in doing this, even on non-cluster nodes.  The only thing to watch
    out for is that once this is done, you won't be "the author" of
    notes you wrote under the individual node names.
    
    To check to see if your cluster has this problem, use the following
    command - no privileges are required:
    
    	$ MCR NCP SHOW OBJECT NOTES CHAR
    
    If it is set up correctly, it will look something like this:
    
Object Volatile Characteristics as of  6-MAR-1989 12:19:20
 
Object = NOTES
 
Number                   = 33
File id                  = NOTES$SERVER.EXE
Process id               = 3800011B
User id                  = NOTES$SERVER
Proxy access             = outgoing
Alias outgoing           = Enabled
    
    It is the "Alias outgoing = Enabled" you are looking for.  If you
    don't see it, ask your system manager to change it as described above.
    
    				Steve
17.28Is B.B. watching?EVER11::KRUPINSKIIs an unsigned byte an anonymous letter?Mon Mar 06 1989 12:3317
	Couldn't think of a more appropriate place for this... I guess it's
	a tip of sorts...

	I recently received via mail a warning to the effect that
	some sites are monitoring the amount of time spent participating
	in VAXnotes, and that folks making heavy use VAXnotes might want
	to limit their use somewhat. The message mentioned this conference
	specifically, and was addressed to myself and two other contributors.

	I'm not sure why such a small number of people received this 
	information rather than posting it for the benefit of all 
	participants. A reply asking for the source of the information so 
	that I could check the accuracy of this information with my management
	has gone unanswered. However, I thought it appropriate to share this 
	information with all participants.

						Tom_K
17.29Mike checked his characteristics earlier and found the problem...NEXUS::CONLONMon Mar 06 1989 12:3614
    	RE:  .27
    
    	Thanks, Steve.  After talking with Mike earlier (and checking
    	the EXEC characteristics under NCP for both of our clusters,)
    	it seems likely that the only node that defines the cluster
    	alias on both of our clusters is the router (and that his
    	notes were written without the cluster alias on a day when
    	his router node was down most of the day.)  
    
    	That's pretty much the same thing that I've seen.  Every time
    	my notes have come out as being written on GALACH, it's been
    	because SCORPI (our router) was temporarily shut down.
    
    	Thanks, though.
17.30Network humor, ar ar ar... :-)NEXUS::CONLONMon Mar 06 1989 12:569
    
    	By the way, if your nodename in a note comes up as just
    	numbers, it means your node is "unlisted."  (And just
    	like with the phone company, it costs your node an
    	extra dollar or two per month for this service.)
    
    
    	I'm kidding, of course.  :-)
    
17.31What about a footnote....:)WMOIS::E_FINKELSENSet def [.friday_pm]Mon Mar 06 1989 16:2311
I saw in here how to get a post script�.  But how do I get a subscript?

I'm on a 220 so I want to know how to get it with the compose key.

I don't have any doc for my 220.  Is there documentation on the compose key
anywhere?  I'm sure it would be better if I could find a book instead of
entering all my questions here.

Thanks.

�n
17.33Sorry.REGENT::BROOMHEADDon&#039;t panic -- yet.Mon Mar 06 1989 16:536
    There are no subscripts available, so you can't compose any.
    
    The order number for the VT220 Owner's Manual is EK-VT220-UG-003.
    You want to look at Table 3-1.
    
    						Ann B.
17.34CALLME::MR_TOPAZMon Mar 06 1989 17:086
       I think that there's also information about compose characters in
       the V5.0 VMS General User's Manual (one of the perfect-bound, base
       set books), in the appendix that talks about the Terminal Fallback
       Utility/Facility/Futility.
       
       --Mr Topaz
17.35Looking for the book now...WMOIS::E_FINKELSEN80� please!Tue Mar 07 1989 10:0611
re:last three....

I could swear I've seen people using them but I guess they must have used the
postscript.

We never seem to get the owners manuals when we get 2nd hand terminals.  I'll
have to try to dig one up.

Thanks.

Ln
17.36Try This:ATPS::GREENHALGEMouseTue Mar 07 1989 12:436
    
    Try using the compose character key with the "a" key.  The VT220 uses
    the same model keyboard as the VT240.  The only difference between my
    VT240 and VT220 keyboard is mine is a WPS keyboard.
    
    - Beckie
17.37*** Moderator Plea ***LEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoThu Mar 16 1989 18:0217
    This is an URGENT REQUEST....
    
    PLEASE make sure that you are not starting a redundant topic - in
    order to keep discussion of one topic in the same place.
    
    The best ways to do this are
    
    dir/titl="topic"

    There is also a note devoted to listing the directories of this
    file, which is topic 7.
    
    Thank you,
    
    -Jody
        
    
17.38Modifying SomethingRAINBO::TARBETI&#039;m the ERAMon May 15 1989 17:3528
    Notebook entries (i.e., how to get at a file)
        
    	MOD ENTRY entryname/NAM=newentryname  [e.g., my entry for =wn= is "w"] 
    	MOD ENTRY entryname/FIL=newfilespec 
    	MOD ENTRY entryname/NAM=newentryname/FIL=newfilename 
                                                             
    Conferences (you've to be a mod for these)
    
    	SET MOD          [you've to do this first regardless] 
    	
    	MOD CON/TIT=newtitle      ["Topics of...." is the title of =wn=]
    	MOD CON/NOT=newnotice     [this is the "See note 999" stuff]
    	MOD CON/NOWRITE           [to lock it]
        MOD CON/WRITE             [to unlock]
        MOD CON/RESTRICT=(MEM,KEY) [to make it a members-only file]
        MOD CON/NORESTR=(MEM,KEY)  [to open it to the world again]             
    
    Membership info (to give or rescind mod privs, e.g.) 
        
        SET MOD                    [again, this always comes first]         
    
    	MOD MEM accountname/PRIV=(MOD,CRE)
        MOD MEM accountname/NOD=(node,node,node)
        MOD MEM accountname/MAIL=mailaddress      [or /NOMAIL]
    
    
    						=maggie
    
17.39On classes and shortcutsQUARK::LIONELin the silence just before the dawnTue May 16 1989 00:5835
    Adding to Maggie's summary, if you want to change the class
    a notebook entry is in, add:
    
    		/CLASS=newclassname
    
    to the MODify ENTry command, using any of the forms in Maggie's
    note.
    
    Using classes allows you to separate notebook entries into various
    categories.  This may make it easier to manage your notebook.  The
    default class is MAIN unless you have said otherwise with the
    	MODIFY PROFILE/CLASS=newdefaultclass
    command.  You can also bring up NOTES in a specific class by the
    DCL command:
    
    	$ NOTES/CLASS=classname
    
    SET is a synonym for MODIFY in NOTES commands.
    
    Also, you generally have to spell out the entry name in full
    in such commands, you can't abbreviate them as you can with the
    OPEN command.
    
    You can optionally specify a conference to open on the NOTES command,
    saving a step or two.  For example:
    
    	$ NOTES WOMANNOTES
    
    If you have NOTES V2.0 or later, you can even specify a note number
    to go to, as follows:
    
    	$ NOTES WOMANNOTES 123
    
    
    			Steve
17.40From A1 to VAXnotesEDUHCI::WARRENWed May 17 1989 18:025
    I have an ALL-IN-1 file I would like to post here.  How do I do
    do that?
    
    -Tracy
     
17.41RAINBO::TARBETI&#039;m the ERAWed May 17 1989 18:252
    Maybe the simplest way, Tracy, is to send it to your vaxmail account
    from your A1 account, then extract and post. 
17.42Scratchpad = PASTE.TMPSTKAI1::LJUNGBERGAnn Ljungberg, ISFri May 19 1989 03:243
    Re. .40
    
    Or print the document to the scratchpad and in Notes WRITE PASTE.TMP.
17.43A1 to VMS DT SVWMOIS::MACKAYTue May 23 1989 17:2010
    In case you need to know how to get if from your A1 to your Vax
    account. 
    
    Use the document transfer command which is    DT
    then send vms which is                        SV
    
    or if you prefer you can just go DT SV
    
    then you have to specify where it is to go. You probably will
    need to             [username]filename.ext
17.44when unseen notes don't get seenULTRA::ZURKOThe quality of mercy is not strainedWed Nov 01 1989 13:093
Does anyone know enough about how unseen date/counts get hosed to explain?
Since it just happened, I'm curious. A reference to a manual would be ok too.
	Mez
17.45Quotes in personal namesMOSAIC::TARBETThu Jan 04 1990 14:3922
    If you want to include quotes (') or double quotes (") in your
    personal name, double them up, as in most programming languages.  
    Thus, to get
    
    			"Some quote"
    
    or
    
    			"What, me worry?" --A.E.Newman
    
    you would type
    
    	set profile/per="""some quote"""
    
    or
    
    	set pro/per="""What, me worry?"" --A.E.Newman"
    
    
    note that you still have to have an "extra" pair surrounding the whole 
    thing or it won't work as you want it to.
    						=maggie