Conference terri::web_authoring

    
    We have seen a strange problem with FrontPage 97 and I was wondering
    if anyone else had seen this.
    
    One of our web authors opens a web site and the documents are all
    displayed in a sans serif font (though FP97 says that it is times new
    roman). This font is not the font that the documents were originally 
    created in. If she tries to change the font to what she wants, 
    "times new roman", she is unable to.  I am able to open the exact 
    same document and it displays correctly in "times new roman".
    
    Has anyone else seen anything like this?
    
    Regards,
    Kathleen
    

Your author may have his (her?) browser font preference set to arial.

You might want to check that.

gc

    Also, the FrontPage 97 editor is not truly WYSIWYG.  That is, fonts,
    style files, etc., are not represented.  You have to go to the
    "preview" mode to see them. The preview mode basically runs your
    browser and loads the page into it, so you'll see it as your browser
    sees it.
    
    And different browsers represent things in different ways.  I don't
    believe that Netscape understands style files, for example.  So if I
    use a style file to set fonts and such, then MSIE will work fine, and
    Netscape will revert to the default font. 

Eighteen months ago I almost paid $700(US) for Vermeer's frontpage...

I got my Not For Resale copy on Friday for $30.00....

Is this business crazy, or what?

Anyway, I was under the impression that there was a discussion bot included
in FP97...I found none.

Questions:

1. Did I get scr**ed?
2. Are there any collections of bots on the web?

Also,  I was really impressed with the image editor...many nice effects, and 
real easy to use.

cheers,

gc

> Anyway, I was under the impression that there was a discussion bot included
> in FP97...I found none.


From FP 97 Help:

    To create a discussion group

    A discussion group is a FrontPage web. that supports interactive 
    discussions of topics by users. Users submit topics by entering text in a 
    form, search the group using a search form, and access articles using a 
    table of contents.

    To create a discussion group:

    1   In the FrontPage Explorer, select File: New: FrontPage Web.

    2   In the New FrontPage Web dialog box, select Discussion Web Wizard 
        and click OK.

    3   In the Discussion Web Wizard dialog box, enter the Web server and 
        FrontPage web name of your discussion group, and click OK.

    4   If you are prompted for your name and password, enter them and 
        click OK.

    5   In the Discussion Web Wizard, select the main features of your 
        discussion and click Next.

        �  A Table of Contents contains hyperlinks to the discussion 
    	   topics.


And on and on...

Thanks,

I made the assumption that I'd find it in the WebBot drop down/popup list.

gc

    FrontPage for 30 bucks?  No, I don't think that you got screwed!
    
    BTW, did you know that you can put a web under version control using
    Visual SourceSafe?  There's a field that you can specify the SourceSafe
    project in which to do revision control.  I haven't tried it, but I was
    pleasantly surprised to see the capability in FrontPage 97!  Revision
    Control has been one of the problem areas in web maintenance.

Re: .27...

Thanks, found it...works like a dream.

Rr:. .29

No I didn't, but that's good to know, as source safe is one of the revision
control tools we're going to use here in HLO CIM Engineering....

Now if I can just get a PC that will run a 32 bit OS, I can do some of this 
stuff from here.....

...ah, the lot of the lowly contractor...

8^)

gc

    Anyone run into this alert box when trying to create a new web on an
    IIS server?
    
 FrontPage explorer:
    
 Server error: Cannot lock file "k:\InetPub\wwwroot\_vti_pvt\services.lck".
 either the file is in use or the web central configuration is busy.
    
    The funny part is that this file does not even exist!  I've got a
    service.lck, but no services.lck.  Removing the service.lck makes no
    difference.  There are no other FP sessions connected to this server,
    and I've tried stopping/restarting the server also with no change.
    
    -Steven
    

    I've found that, if I left values for proxy server in FrontPage when I
    exited, when I restart FrontPage, it can't connect to my Web server
    (which is IIS).  Has anyone else seen this?
    
    tl

    I've just started to use FrontPage 97 and am seeing an odd thing. Maybe
    someone else has an idea about what I could be doing wrong?
    
    When I create lists, FrontPage seems to add extra <p> tags. It did this
    occasionally and now it seems to do it all the time. Am I doing
    something wrong or is this a bug? I did a quick search of the MS
    Knowledge Base but didn't find anything relevant.
    
    thanks,
    
    joan
    

Re: .33, Sorry Joan.  I can't answer...

But my issue is speed.

I've got a 55k file with lots of nested tables, and it is SLOOOOOOOW.

Does anyone else have this problem?(Pentium 60 w/48mb, so it shouldn't be the machine)

Also, I have a notice in the bottom right of the status bar of the FP editor.
 It changes. Sometimes it reads 3 seconds, sometimes 9 seconds, now it
is reading 33 seconds.  Is this the anticipated time it will take to respond
to a keystroke or something?

gc

    The status number of seconds is supposed to be an estimate of how long
    the page takes to load, no idea what kind of link is presumed.
    
    Rgds,
    Hans

    Re: .33
    
    I'm not sure if it's the same problem, but I noticed that if you have
    something like this:
    
     <ul>
      <li><p>some text</p></li>
      <ul>
    
    FrontPage sticks an extra <li> in the nested list.  This sort of thing
    is generated by Word 97's save-to-HTML, though I also found tat FP
    would do it on its own sometimes.  The problem is that if you delete
    the extra bullet or list in the FP editor, it puts it back!  The
    solution I found was to hand-edit the source to remove the </li>.
    
    				Steve

    Well, you have a slightly different problem. You're getting extra <li>
    tags in your lists and I'm getting extra <p align=left> tags in my lists.  
    Amusing isn't it? :-)
    
    In both cases, it sounds like the answer is to edit the source. 
    
    I just love these tools ;-)
    
    cheers,
    
    joan
     

And if you use Word to make a doc file an htm file it seems to love adding those
extra <p>. Hundreds of them! And it bookmarks the subsections but doesn't give a
pointer to them. liesl 

    Has anyone found the correct syntax for supplying proxy server
    information to FrontPage?  Also, any thoughts on .32?
    
    Thanks
    tl

I haven't been able to make the proxy servers work at all in frontpage.
Yet they work fine in my IE3. You can get them to work at least once?
liesl

Me neither.  I gave up...

		Steve

    I'm currently pleading in the Microsoft FrontPage newsgroup for help on
    this proxy problem; I'll report anything useful here.
    
    Here's another problem.  I use the same version of FrontPage at ome and
    at work, and use the same terminal editor (VTstar).  Using FrontPage, I
    create a 1-by-1 table in a document.  Using VTstar, I select some
    dialogue (e.g., a product installation).  Using Windows copy in VTstar,
    I copy this text into the Windows clipboard.  Ten, in FrontPage Editor,
    I click in the table, and click Paste.
    
    At work, this text is entered with hard returns at the end of each
    line, just like I'd like it.
    
    At home, this text is entered without an returns, and is just one big
    long string.
    
    I've spent a bunch of time looking at FrontPage Editor setups, and have
    no idea why I'm seeing this different behavior.
    
    Any thoughts?
    
    Thanks!
    tl

	Are you sure you don't have something set in VTSTAR?
	Maybe rectangular paste or something like that?

							mike

    Hi Mike
    
    Thanks for the thought.  I checked, and I don't have rectangular
    selection enabled.  But it does feel like something along those lines,
    doesn't i?.  It seems like FrontPage Editor isn't 'seeing' the
    end-of-line characters.
    
    Any other suggestions?
    
    Thanks!
    tl

    I don't use VTstar, but is there a setting for display to  do
    newlines.  The terminal emulator has to know if a line ends
    in LF or CR LF.

How do you get to the Frontpage newsgroup? And is it worth reading? liesl

	The Microsoft newsgroups can been seen thru the gateway.
	For the server name, put in msnews-gw.pa-x.dec.com.

	This goes direct to the MS newserver.

	As for content worthieness, it's ok, better than some.

							mike

	It's also available from

wntnews.mro.dec.com

	which mirrors the MS and Installshield newsgroups.

		Danny

    What is Frontpage?  I had the impression it was an HTML editor, but
    reading various notes on it makes it sound like it does more.  Perhaps
    you could contrast it to Netscape Gold?  
    
    I do most of my HTML editing with Notepad, occasionally using Gold when
    I'm lazy, or don't feel like looking up an HTML construct.  I don't
    have my own website, but maintain several pages on an ISP.  What would
    FrontPage do for me, if anything?
    
    jeb
    

Frontpage includes an editor, but is more than that.  It also 
maintains a map or "web" diagram of all your pages and the links 
between them, can keep all those links right if you rename a file, 
etc.  It can also check the links off your "web", though I havn't 
quite gotten this to work 100% with our firewall/proxy server.  It 
also can "publish" a web to another server, which I use extensively. 
I build all my pages locally on my own system, then publish them to 
the "real" server (which in your case could be your ISP if they've 
got the FP extensions loaded).  

The best bet is to find someone at your site who's using FP and have 
them show it to you.

See also http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage/ and...

Microsoft FrontPage Support Options at
http://www.microsoft.com/FrontPageSupport/

Extensive list of FrontPage FAQ Sites at
http://www.pmpcs.com/support/fp/faqs.htm

Microsoft FrontPage Support Area at
http://www.pmpcs.com/support/frontpage.htm

Akorn Access also has a very helpful e-mailing list you can be on; 
you can subscribe at http://205.217.100.14/FrontPage/FPMailRef.html

FrontPage Chats by Jerry Haygood & Associates at
http://www.jhas.com/chat.asp  ("We now hold chats on Tues 8:30p EST 
(FP Live) but next week will start having chats on Wed at 9:00p EST 
(FP Advanced) and Thur at 9p EST (ASP).")

Book recommendations at http://www.pmpcs.com/books/frontpage.htm

Database support at http://www.pmpcs.com/support/fp/databases.htm

FrontPage How To's at http://www.pmpcs.com/support/fp/howto.htm

FrontPage Software at http://www.pmpcs.com/support/fp/software.htm

FrontPage Windows NT/IIS Issues at
http://www.pmpcs.com/support/fp/windowsnt.htm

and to follow on from -.1, here's PC Mag's review...

http://www8.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/webedit/wbed-r5.htm


Personal Web-Page Editors 

Microsoft Corp. 
Microsoft FrontPage 97 

Edward Mendelsohn

Microsoft FrontPage 97 ($149 list) surpasses all rivals in its ability
to create complex, interactive Web sites with just a few mouse
clicks. Microsoft's combination HTML editor and Web site
manager uses a wizard interface to build sites so tightly integrated
that you can change the text and graphic banner on top of one
page and let the program propagate the change throughout your
site. Less expensive programs (such as the free AOLpress) are
equally adept at creating visually complex Web sites, but no other
program lets you create a Web site with the same depth of
automation, consistency, and convenience as FrontPage.

Even if you know nothing about HTML syntax or CGI scripts, you
can use FrontPage's WebBot feature to implement such
advanced functions as forms processing, discussion groups, and
dynamically created Web pages. FrontPage is less helpful when
you want to break out of its structure, but its minor inconveniences
are outweighed by its automation and elegance.

FrontPage 97 consists of three main applications: FrontPage
Explorer, which lets you manage the elements on your Web site;
the FrontPage Editor, which lets you create HTML pages; and a
unique desktop Web server, which lets you build and test your site
with real HTTP links (though FrontPage also allows you to save
HTML pages as files to your hard disk). After the program's wizard
creates a set of pages with the style and structure you choose, the
FrontPage Explorer window displays a tree-structured view of your
entire Web site, with all links and graphics. From Explorer, you
can spell-check all documents on your Web site and verify the
site's links. When you click on one of the icons in this window, the
corresponding page opens in the FrontPage Editor, which looks
and acts like Microsoft Word.

The FrontPage Editor lets you import any word processing
document or HTML file. An optional window lets you modify the
raw HTML code of the current page. You can import graphics in
virtually any format, and the Editor automatically converts them to
.GIF or JPEG files. A toolbar lets you create client-side image
maps very easily by drawing shapes on a graphic. The included
Microsoft Image Composer can create sprites with advanced
animated effects.

FrontPage creates tables and forms effortlessly. As soon as you
insert any form element on a page, the program builds a form
around it. The program can create frames, but it displays only the
skeleton of the frames, not the content of the frames as they will
appear in a browser. FrontPage compiles a list of unfinished
tasks required to complete your Web site, and it opens the pages
that need work as soon as you click on a task.

When you publish your Web site, FrontPage determines whether
you're publishing to a server that uses FrontPage extensions; if
not, the program launches the included Web Publishing Wizard.
FrontPage even lets you upload only changed files to your site. To
use some of the server-side WebBots--such as the
discussion-forum WebBot--the Web server you're posting to must
have the FrontPage extensions installed.

Microsoft FrontPage 97. List price: $149. Microsoft Corp.,
Redmond, WA; 800-426-9400, 206-882-8080;
www.microsoft.com. 

          Suitability To Task
 Microsoft FrontPage 97
    Power
            Ease
 Simple page creation
    Excellent
            Excellent
 Complex page creation
    Excellent
            Excellent
 Publishing
    Good
            Good

    I'm having some odd problems with FrontPage and was wondering if anyone
    else has run into these.
    
    1. If I have a web open and I delete a folder, I can no longer access
    the open web. Instead I get HTTP: Error 500 - which suggests that
    there's an internal web server problem. I also have this problem if I
    delete a different web on my system (doesn't matter if the problem web
    is open or not). The only way I've been able to
    fix the problem is to import a web (any web, it doesn't matter). The
    really odd thing is that this affects only ONE web. I have other webs
    on the system that I can still open.
    
    
    2. When adding my own HTML markup (for example a piece of JavaScript
    code) in a file and then copy the little icon displayed on the page,
    FrontPage adds extra line spacing between each line. This is getting
    worse and worse. It seems that no matter how many times I delete the
    extra line spaces, FrontPage keeps adding them in.
    
    Am I being haunted by a FrontPage demon??
    
    cheers,
    
    joan
    

also posted in fx32 notes conference...
        
    
    Hi,
    
    I just received an Alpha PWS 433a and am running NT 4.0 SP2 and FX!32
    V1.1 (b0148-001).
    
    I've installed FrontPage 97 using the install wizard and all appears to
    go well during the installation.  However, when I attempt to open a 
    web using the FrontPage explorer (the web is on an nt server 
    running IIS V3.0) I receive the following error 
    
    	"System exception:  access violation".
    
    I know that I have the correct permissions to access this web 'cause I
    can still connect to it via FrontPage 97 installed on an intel box...
    
    Here's the funky part.  It HAS worked 1 time for me.  I was able to
    open this web once.   But can not get it to work all the time (or even
    most of the time).
    
    Any ideas?  Is there anyone out there successfully running FrontPage 97
    on an alpha box?
    
    Thanks,
    Kathleen
      
    

Is Frontpage available within Digital, from the IBG server or 
elsewhere?

Most other kits seem to be on-line, ie Office97, Win95, NT, Exchange 
etc etc

greg

    You have to buy your own kit.  We as yet don't have a corporate-use
    license (so far as I know).  Our group uses FrontPage exclusively and
    we have to buy our own kits.
    
    Gita

So where do you buy them ?  Are you getting a good deal or just hitting the 
local computer store?


bjm

    We buy them from Stream, a recommended external company.  They usually
    deliver within a day or two.
    
    Gita