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Conference mvblab::alphaserver_4100

Title:AlphaServer 4100
Moderator:MOVMON::DAVISS
Created:Tue Apr 16 1996
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:648
Total number of notes:3158

640.0. "Dual-Screen on AS4100 with Matrox ? " by EVTAI1::clpwnt.evt.dec.com::QUENARD (Never UP - Never IN) Fri May 30 1997 11:52

	Hello,

	My customer wants to instal two Matrox Millenium for a dual screen 
	configuration . 
	Is this configuration supported on an AlphaServer 4100 with Windows-NT 4.0 ?

	Thanks for your help

	Pierre
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640.1not supportedWONDER::TOUSERKANIFri May 30 1997 15:2110
    Hi there,
    
      I doubt if Windows NT supports multihead graphics. Another point is
    that the MATROX board is not in the supported options list for AS4100.
    If the customer has the proper Alpha drivers for the video card, they
    might want to give it a shot. Again we do not support those graphics 
    controllers. You might want to look at the DECpowerStorm (aka TGA2) 
    graphic cards.
    
    /Frank 
640.2Seen it work on AlphaStations...BBPBV1::WALLACEjohn wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093Sat May 31 1997 12:1317
    Bzzzt! Wrong (sort of).
    
    The Matrox Millenium multihead drivel for Inter available from Matrox's
    web site includes multihead support. (It does this without the need for
    multihead support in the OS itself).
    
    An Alpha version of the Matrox Millenium multihead driver isn't yet
    publically available for download but allegedly can be given to
    customers. It's on the internal commodity graphics home page at PKO
    (but I forget exactloy where). Check with Al Hopkins ?
    
    You can't do multihead with PowerStorm because the OS itself doesn't
    understand multihead, and there's no multihead magic in the PowerStorm
    drivers.
    
    regards
    john
640.3NOT supported on 4XXX servers...KOKY::PEREZMon Jun 02 1997 10:259
    A word of caution....
    
    The Matrox Millenium multihead HAS NOT been qualed on any 4XXX server.
    
    Will it work? ..Maybe
    
    Do we support it?  ...No
    
    Ozzie Perez
640.4dual screen .....EVTAI1::clpwnt.evt.dec.com::QUENARDNever UP - Never INMon Jun 02 1997 10:4310
	Hi,

	You are right , the dual-screen driver works on AS1000 , not
	on AS4100 !!!

	Which kind of video card can be used in the as4100 for 
	dual-screen configuration ??

	Thanks for your help
640.5Multihead support = hackSTAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::jacobiPaul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Systems GroupMon Jun 02 1997 14:089
>>> (It does this without the need for multihead support in the OS itself).

In other words, it a hack and guaranteed to break in NT 5.0, when Microsoft 
plans to officialy support multihead.


							-Paul


640.6BGSDEV::MORRISTom Morris - Light & Sound EngineeringTue Jun 03 1997 21:1312
|>>> (It does this without the need for multihead support in the OS itself).
|
|In other words, it a hack and guaranteed to break in NT 5.0, when Microsoft 
|plans to officialy support multihead.

Another way to look at it would be that Matrox's customers get to benefit
from the functionality that they need and want while Digital's customers
wait out in the cold for a perfect solution.  Matrox isn't the only one
selling multihead into the NT marketplace.  The "hack" moniker is just
FUD.

Tom
640.7Matrox driver for NT/Alpha, available externallyBBPBV1::WALLACEPC: mega$ fashion accessoriesWed Jun 04 1997 06:5511
    Multihead already broke going from V3 to V4. Some folks are prepared to
    live with that again, especially those living (or expecting to live) on
    x86 timescales.
    
    Meanwhile the NT/Alpha driver for Matrox can now be found externally at
    	http://www.workstation.digital.com/firmware.html
    
    [announcement back-pointer: WINDOWS_NT note 6033.10]
    
    regards
    john
640.8Multihead support now by Matrox, not MicrosoftSTAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::jacobiPaul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Systems GroupWed Jun 04 1997 14:3122
>>> The "hack" moniker is just FUD.

By "hack", I mean that multi-head software support is written and supported by OEM 
(Matrox), and not officially supported by Microsoft until possibly NT 5.0.  If it 
works and you can take advantage of it, then great.  If not, complain to Matrox, not 
Microsoft.

OEM-specific custom software (Matrox) is often more difficult to port to Alpha that 
the genaric NT code base. This is probably why the functionality is not present in 
the Alpha version. 

The ideal solution would be for Matrox to develop and support the Alpha NT version 
of the video driver.  The x86 PC world seems to have mastered the ability for 3rd 
parties to develop an maintain their own drivers.  Digital has not yet been able to 
adopt this model for Alpha for a number of reasons.


							-Paul




640.9we're close to functional equivalence with Matrox/x86 (just later...)BBPBV1::WALLACEPC: tera$ fashion accessoryWed Jun 04 1997 16:256
    For clarification of .-1: so far as I know, the NT/Alpha Matrox driver
    *does* do multiscreen. 
    
    Yes it would probably be nice if vendors or MS did it for us, but in
    the meantime we have now come pretty close to Matrox's own
    functionality. Multihead works; I saw it, therefore it must be true :-)