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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1545.0. "In-flight data collection" by KBOMFG::KLINGENBERG () Fri Jul 30 1993 06:04

    This note is to describe and discuss in-flight data collection systems
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1545.1aeronaut Digimeter mc-memoryKBOMFG::KLINGENBERGFri Jul 30 1993 06:0438
                                                                           
                                                                           
     The aeronaut Digimeter mc-memory is an on-board computer to measure   
     and store in-flight data. It can measure height, time, voltage and    
     current, and with additional sensors temperature (2x) and rpm.        
     Technical data:                                                       
                                                                           
             Size: 75 x 36 x 14 mm (2.95 x 1.42 x 0.55")                   
             Weight:         80 g  (2.82 oz)                               
             operating voltage: 4.8 - 6 V                                  
             max voltage to measure: 50 V (resolution: 200 mV)             
             max current to measure: 120 mA (probably typo, I assume it's  
                                             120 A, resolution is 200 mA)  
             max temperature to measure: 130�C (266�F, resolution 1�C)     
             max rpm            40000 rpm (resolution 1 rpm)               
             LCD display                                                   
             RS232 interface                                               
                                                                           
     The unit costs DM 299.- (~$ 175). The catalog doesn't clearly say     
     whether this includes the additional sensors for rpm and temperature. 
                                                                           
     The device is connected to a free channel of the receiver and will be 
     operated through the TX. It can store up to 128 values (21 sets of    
     data). The first set of data (before start) resets the timer and the  
     height to 0. It has 4 functions: measure (set of data), lock          
     (measurement stop), readout, and reset/clear. On the bottom, it has 2 
     buttons to operate the RS232 interface and to reset the unit. You can 
     read the data either on the integrated LCD display or through the     
     RS232 interface.                                                      
                                                                           
     In understand the device is not capable of checking the current your  
     receiver draws, but other than that, it does about all I can think    
     of. I think I did see test reports of it, so I assume it's readily    
     available. I can check if you're interested. In the US, you might     
     want to call Hobby Lobby since they import aeronaut stuff. Be aware   
     that the Digimeter - as far as the catalog says - only measures SI    
     units (meter, Centigrade). Since the unit does not transmit data,
     FCC should not care about it (neither does the Deutsche Bundespost).
1545.2TeledreamKBOMFG::KLINGENBERGFri Jul 30 1993 06:0578
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
     Now, if you are looking for a real telemetric system, here is what    
     you've been dreaming of:                                              
                                                                           
                              T E L E D R E A M                            
                                                                           
     This system was advertised in the June issue of FMT, was supposedly   
     delivered since July-1. They don't have a picture of the unit(s) in   
     their 2-page ad, though. Teledream can measure up to 7 parameters and 
     transmits them to the receiving station. It transmits with very low   
     power on 433 MHz and is certified by the Deutsche Bundespost to be    
     used in Germany. You can measure                                      
                                                                           
             - actual height [m]                                           
                                                                           
             - maximum height [m]                                          
                                                                           
             - rise/sink rate [m/sec]                                      
                                                                           
             - maximum rise/sink rate [m/sec]                              
                                                                           
             - airspeed [m/sec]                                            
                                                                           
             - maximum airspeed [m/sec]                                    
                                                                           
             - prop rpm [turns/second (??)]                                
                                                                           
             - maximum prop rpm [turns/second (??)]                        
                                                                           
             - receiver voltage [V]                                        
                                                                           
             - receiver current [mA]                                       
                                                                           
             - motor battery Voltage [V]                                   
                                                                           
             - motor battery Current [A]                                   
                                                                           
             - maximum motor battery Current [A]                           
                                                                           
             - error messages                                              
                                                                           
             - motor temperature [�C]                                      
                                                                           
             - motor run time                                              
                                                                           
             - accumulated motor run time (all flights)                    
                                                                           
             - flight time [sec]                                           
                                                                           
             - accumulated flight time [all flights]                       
                                                                           
     The TX module (on-board) is very small and comparable to a motor      
     controller. Size is 60 x 40 x 10 mm (2.36 x 1.57 x 0.39"), weight is  
     20 g (0.7 oz), antenna length (UHF!) 15 cm (6").                      
                                                                           
     Of course, a lost-plane-beeper is included in the system. Seems the   
     receiving unit has a display and an earphone and you can put any two  
     signal on these outputs, say a vario to the earphone (you hear the    
     plane rising or sinking) and a flying height display on the LCD. You  
     can set up your own system. here is their list:                       
                                                                           
             Teledream startset (TX, RX)             DM 499.-              
             additional TX (2nd model)               DM 249.-              
             Sensor group A (height, vario)          DM 199.-              
             Sensor group A (airspeed)               DM 199.-              
             Sensor group A (speed of boat)          DM 199.-              
             Sensor group B (Prop rpm)               DM  49.-              
             Sensor group B (motor temperature)      DM  49.-              
             Sensor group B (receiver current)       DM  49.-              
             Sensor group B (speed of car)           DM  49.-              
             PC analyzing software                   DM  99.-              
             EProm updates                           DM  55.-              
                                                                           
     The PC software will not be available until first quarter of 1994.    
     The current exchange rate is about DM 1.70/$ these days. Start        
     saving...                                                             
1545.3Amazing StuffUNYEM::BLUMJFri Jul 30 1993 09:4115
    RE: -1
    
    WOW!
    
    I forgot to bring in the magazine that described the Robbe on board
    monitoring unit.  From memory, it weighs 22 grams, has 6 sensors
    for current, rpm, altitude, temperature, airspeed, and one other.
    The data is played back on the unit itself(LCD) or can be plugged
    into the Futaba F-28 transmitter(Sold by Robbe) and played back
    on the transmitters screen. No price mentioned.
    
    
                                                 Regards,
    
                                                 Jim 
1545.4robbe unit = aeronaut Digimeter??KBOMFG::KLINGENBERGFri Jul 30 1993 10:187
    RE: .3
    
    Sounds pretty much like the aeronaut unit in .1 I would expect a VERY
    similar price then, too.
    
    Regards,
             Hartmut
1545.5uses of telemetryKAY::FISHERThe higher, the fewerFri Jul 30 1993 14:2529
Just peaked my interest.
Although I would not purchase one today at that price - perhaps
after they have been around and become popular they
will have sufficient volume to low the prices.  Also 
maybe they will get on US legal frequencies.

Of course I would be interested in the altitude vario (sniffler)
but wouldn't it be nice at a busy day (contest) to have
a sensor in your ear that indicated motor RPM.  One of the problems
I have with quiet motors is I panic when the sky gets filled with
other planes and I can't hear mine any more.

How about a tone that represented RPM difference for twins!
It could give a hi tone if the Starboard engine dies or a low
tone if the Port engine dies.

How about a stall indicator - mine would be always on!

P.S.  Since I will be attending the Submarine Regatta this weekend
      please give the manufactures some feedback for me.
      We also need depth sensors!  Mine detectors!  Passive Sonar!
      GPS!!! Fish detectors!  Pressure in main ballast tanks!
      The mind boggles :-)

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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1545.6Robbe on board computer detailsGALVIA::ECULLENIt will never fly, Wright !Wed Aug 04 1993 10:4858
    
    I found some information on the Robbe 'Bord computer' in the 93
    Novelties catalog. Their english is a little off but this is what they
    say...


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    Bord computer No. 8323 

    Digital measuring unit for storing model data during flight. The
    measured values can be stored in the bord computer to be read after
    landing. Tension, voltage, battery capacity, temperature, height, rpm
    and speed can be measured  by means of the optional sensors.

    Analog sensors and 1 digital sensor can be connected simultaneously to
    the bord computer, 5 measured values and the time (altogether 15
    measured values) can be stored per input. The basic unit measures and
    indicates permanently and without a sensor the capacity used by the
    receiver battery, by means of a measuring range adjustment.

    Specifications:
    Dimensions:         39x22x18mm
    Weight:             22g
    Display:            LCD, 6 signs
    Operatiing voltage: 4.8-6V

    REV sensor:         No. 8324
    300-30000 rpm,digital

    Tension sensor:     No. 8235
    Commutable 0-10, 0-50Volt, analogue

    Temperature sensor: No. 8326
    -20 -> 150, analogue

    Speed sensor:       No. 8327
    0-400km/h, analogue

    Height sensor:      No. 8328
    Commutable 0-1000, 0-2000m,analogue

    Current sensors:
    0-5A                No. 8331
    0-25A               No. 8330
    0-75A               No. 8329
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    No picture of the unit or sensors, unlike the rest of the catalog !


    Also noticed upgrades for the FC series transmitters (FC-28 V3, FC-18
    V3, FC-18 V3+). New F14-Navy tx.

    Eric.