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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1288.0. "Canard experience anyone?" by KBOMFG::KLINGENBERG () Tue Feb 05 1991 05:56

    A new question: Is there any experience with canards out there? I was
    always interested to build one, and I finally bought the very nice
    looking Robbe Kormoran. I am ARTC (almost ready to cover), and am
    interested in any (if possible first hand) experience with canards in
    general.
    
    I read the report about the unsuccessful trials to put a Kormoran to
    flight in 399.528, and I must say I just can't believe that the speed
    is the problem, since the span, wingload and airfoil is pretty similar
    to my Elektro-UHU which is very easy to throw. I suspect something is
    wrong with angles (of attack of elevator and/or wing or of the
    winglets). Or the pilot pulled up too early and stalled the elevator
    which will make the plane point nose down no matter how hard you
    pull... Nice ideas, we'll see whether I can do better. I'll put any
    experience in here, too.
    
    Al, do you think it is a good idea to move 399.528 here? This plane
    doesn't seem to belong into a 'beginner's' discussion anyhow...
    
    Best regards,
                  Hartmut
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1288.1Robbe KormorandELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH20/20 Vision&walkin'round blindTue Jan 15 1991 10:5922
    Last sunday John Adair shows up at the field with a Robbe Kormorand,
    something I hadn't expected to see in this lifetime, but leave it
    to John to have the latest thing.
    
    It's a ~2 meter electric pusher prop canard flying wing. Got that?
    Right away you know you're in for some hair raising maiden flights.
    
    John knew it too, and he had drilled a small finger hole in the
    bottom of the slick plastic fuselage pod to give some way to put
    some thrust into the hand launch. Then there was the problem of
    how to get his hand and arm out of the way of the prop as it passed
    by at the moment of release.
    
    Four launch attempts later, it was obvious that there was no way
    to achieve flying speed by merely running and throwing.
    But it was one of the most rugged models I've ever seen. No damage
    at all after 4 cartwheels, pancakes, you name it. Even the plastic
    winglets were intact. His next attempt will be with a hi-start and
    then turn on the motor after the line drop.
    
    Terry
    
1288.2Kormoran is airborne! And lots of fun!KBOMFG::KLINGENBERGFri Jul 19 1991 12:1051
    Last night, I finally got a chance to test fly my Kormoran. I had put
    the coating on in a hurry before we moved last March just because I
    didn't want to lose ailerons or whatever during the move. It had been a
    long night, and I'm not at all happy with the quality of the result,
    but there is no need to fix it as long as I don't know the thing really
    flies... Then came the move and all the work that was involved with
    it...
    
    Yesterday was THE day. The weather okay, light breeze, overcast,
    nothing great but probably best for maiden flights. I went to a small
    hill, assembled everything, checked the controls (especially the
    elvator going the 'wrong way') and was ready to go. I ran a little bit
    still holding the plane to check the tendency to break out. It tried to
    put the nose down, which I assumed was due to not having enough speed.
    So I put all my courage together and tossed it. It reached the ground
    before I had my hand on the elevator stick. But it's robust, as the
    previous reply stated. Since the C.G. was according to the plans, I
    just trimmed a little up and tried again. This time, I reached the
    elevator stick before the plane touched down. I gave it some more 'up',
    and it had a nice glide. So I decided to switch the motor on, and it
    immediately picked up speed and height. No further trim changes were
    needed. It looks great in the sky with it's unusual configuration. I
    like it a lot. It can fly really fast, but slows down nicely, if
    needed. Elevator 'up' response seemed to be less than what I liked, but
    that's probably due to the canard being close to it's CLmax with my
    uptrim. I'll put the C.G. a little back and this will hopefully improve
    elevator response.
    
    I did a second flight and it went just as well. During the flight, it
    started to rain, so I landed and packed up. I'm a very happy camper!
    When all the other 'fixing stuff' is done (put R/C gear into the
    FIESTA, assemble the UHU with the geared motor, cover the RACE CAT and
    install R/C there), I will probably redo the covering. It may take some
    time, but I can go out flying again and I really like the looks of a
    canard (especially this one).
    
    My setup is:	
    
    	wing built in two halfs (instructions call out for one piece)
        Aileron control with one (will be two) FUTABA S133 micro servo
        Canard (elevator) control with another FUTABA S133
        Motor: ASTRO Cobalt 05 (reversed polarity, adjusted timing)
        Prop: aeronaut 8*5
        Battery: Sanyo SCR 1200 (6 cells only!)
    
    Flight times, thermal ability will be reported with some more
    experiences (betteries were not performing well after weeks of lying
    around etc.).
    
    Best regards,
                   Hartmut
1288.3Kormoran being reworkedKBOMFG::KLINGENBERGFri May 22 1992 09:3924
    Last night, I started to strip down the Kormoran. As noted before, I
    wanted to redo the covering anyhow. Several flights last year revealed
    that there is a problem with the C.G. - and I can't do much about it! I
    already have a layer of lead around the fuse right before the (pusher)
    prop, but since the lever arm is so short, it doesn't change much. And
    I don't like the idea at all to carry lead with an electric, but I
    can't get the battery further back since the aileron servo gets in the
    way. Also, I had experienced some severe cases of wing flutter when
    recovering from a (fast) dive. I suspect this is due to canard votex
    over main wing. And the long ailerons are very soft and only driven by
    torsion wires.
    
    What I'm doing now is:
    
    	- mount the aileron servos in the wing where the canard vortex
    	  hits the wing. Hope to get rid of the flutter with holding the
          aileron exactly at that place
    	- install stiffer ailerons
    
    This gets the servos out of the way, too and allows more movement of
    the battery for C.G. adjustments. I'll keep you posted on the results.
    
    Best regards,
                  Hartmut
1288.4long-ez anyone??DNEAST::MALCOLM_BRUCTue Jun 22 1993 07:176
    Has anyone seen the long-ez built from cressline models? I'm into
    ultralights and homebuilts, this would be a fun one to build!!
    
    Thanks 
    Bruce