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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
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Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
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1194.0. "ACE 60/90 Bipe" by KYOA::GAROZZO () Wed Mar 14 1990 12:57

    
    	I am looking for info on the ACE 60/90 Bipe. Thinking of building
    it next. Does anyone have experience with this plane from either a
    building or flying point of view?
    
    Regards,
    Bob G.
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1194.1it's built but haven't flown yetAKOV12::COLLINSSun Mar 18 1990 00:2424
    Hi Bob,
    
    	I have resently finish building the ACE 60/90 Bipe. A very easy
    ship to build. The part that I found the hardest were the wire 'N' sturts
    I went out and bought me one of those micro torch. I think that you'll
    need one.
    
    	I did make a few modification. On both the elevator and the rudder,
    I used a pull-pull setup. I like this because it's much more positive
    action. 
    
    	The cowl, I didn't use their setup. because in past models that I
    have had that used the balsa cowling usually being destroied. So I
    fashoned a fiberglass round cowl and mounted it with angle brackets.
    
    	One other thing, the way the top wing is mounted. Instead of
    bolting the wing on, I got some long nylon bolts, cut the head off,and
    glued the threaded rod in the wing. This way adding spacers, for
    setting the incedance angle, is easier.
    
    	I haven't had the chance to fly her yet, so I can't say how it
    handles. hope to try it soon.
    
    Norm
1194.2ACE 4-60/90 engine requirementKYOA::GAROZZOWed May 09 1990 11:157
    	I have just received the ACE 4-60/90 Bipe. The plans call for a
    broad range of engines in particular a 40 to 91 4-stroke. A 91FS seems
    quite a bit much. would possibly the Enya .53 FS be enough? ANy
    suggestions would be appreciated.
    
    Regards,
    Bob G.
1194.491 FS not too much.WMOIS::DA_WEIERWed May 09 1990 16:5925
    
        In my opinion, the 91 fs is not too much engine for the airplane.
    I believe the 60/90 recommends a 60 or 90fs, not a 40 fs that you
    mentioned in your note. As I have said in previous notes, the ACE
    series was really designed around the 4 strokes, and they fly very nice
    with them. I have not seen one of the series fly with a 2 stroke,
    but I am sure it would fly fine. The only thing that would be lost is
    some of the "character and grace" the FS provides.
         For reference, I have an ACE 4/40 monoplane (less drag than a
    bipe) and I started with an old FS40 (non surpass). The plane flew
    fine, although the climb was marginal, and it was generally suited to
    low/slow flying around. Keep in mind this was the exact engine this
    plane was designed for. I have just replaced the older FS40 with a
    70 Surpass. The weight of the plane (Dry) is now 5 lbs 6 oz. The plane
    has great performance. In hind sight, I could have even upgraded to
    a 91 Surpass with little difficulty for total vertical performance.
       So as you can see, with the extra weight and drag of your plane,
    a 90 FS or preferably a 91 Surpass would be just about right, and
    you could maybe even stretch it and use a 1.20 FS for outstanding
    performance. I would guess that a 60 or 70 FS would be fairly mild
    in your installation.
    
          Hope this has helped provide some reference,
    
                                                     Dan W.
1194.5I would agreeAKOV12::COLLINSFri May 11 1990 17:3915
I have a ACE 4-60/90 Bipe. I have two flights on it so far. I installed the 
KB.65Sportster, nice engine. One thing that I have noticed is that with this 
particular engine, the model is tail heavy. With the added weight from a 4s, it
may have taken care of that problem. 

If I had the bucks, I would go for the  90 4s


Norm C.

P.S.

I'm going to try and show up at the CMRCM field this Saturday. If I do, I'll 
have it with me.

1194.6Look at R/C Report Kit ReviewTOWNS::COXSo Speedy, how do we get zeez brains?Wed May 16 1990 17:5111
    Bob,
    
    R/C Report published a review of the 60/90 Bipe not too long ago.  If I
    remember correctly, Gordon Banks used the new OS 70 Surpass in his
    model with outstanding performance.  I'll dig out the article if you
    can't find it.
    
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