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    It rings a bell.  I remember seeing a review on it one of
    the mags about a year ago.  I'll go through my files and
    see if I can locate it.  
    
    Can't promise anything, but if I find it I'll surely scratch
    a note back to you.  Give me a few days.
    
    John Nataloni
    
    APO 1,
    RUTLND::JNATALONI

    There was an off-shore ARF of the Tucano advertised regularly in
    Scale R/C Modeler for quite some time.  Honestly, I thought it was
    still available.  Have you checked the ads in SR/CM?
    
    The kit came from [I think] Central America somewhere and was pre-built
    of conventional materials, i.e. balsa/ply and was covered and painted
    as opposed to using an iron-on plastic film.  It was a bit pricey,
    as I recall, but was hailed as a tremendous value considering the
    quality of construction and finish.    

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      | |      00	 Adios,      Al
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      |    Z__(O_\_	(The Desert Rat)

    There is a kit available in Europe. It is manufactured in Spain
    by MODELHOB. If you are intersted send me a mail to BERGMANS @GMO
    and I will look after price and availability.
    
    I think I remember it is designed for a 40.
    
    Regards
    

>    < Note 993.0 by AKOV12::COLLINS >
>                                -< TUCANO T-27 >-
>
>    Has anyone every heard of a pland called the TUCANO T-27?
    
    Tucano - yes, T27 - no; original is Brazilian but is being brought
    into service with RAF ( modified ) to fill the gap between 
    Chipmunks/Bulldogs and Hawk jet trainers.
    
    Quite a pretty plane - overpowered in the same way the Harrier
    is - built by Shorts ( in Ireland ) to meet the RAF's AST-412 trainer
    specification for a Jet Provost replacement.
    
    A Garrett TPE331-12B turboprop engine developing 1,100 shp and giving 
    an sfc of 0.547 and max low-level speed of 268 knots ( 496 km/h ). This
    engine is a fixed-shaft, constant speed engine.
    
    Apparently powerful changes of direction trim are displayed when
    the throttle is used!
    
    Original engine was 750shp Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-25C.
    
    T27 is probably one of these.
        
>    It is one of the most successful trainer planes. It is used by the
>    Brazilian Air Show team. I say them when I was in Cal. last year.
>    

    RAF trainee pilots will come to the Tucano with 63 hours on Chipmunks
    or up to 100 hours on Bulldogs from the University Air Squadrons.
    
    I think they move on to Hawks after the Tucano?
    
>    I would very much like to try and build this bird, but I don't know
>    were to start looking for plans or even a possible kit that may
>    exsits.
>    
>    Could someone help me start?

    Maybe I can help a little.
    
    I have the above information from the September 1988 issue of Air
    International.
    
    A 9 page article includes a 2-page 3D cut-a-way spread, a small
    B&W 3-view, 5 color photos of the plane in action, 1 color photo
    of the front cockpit instrument panel, 4 B&W phots of the plane
    on the ground and 2 of it in the air.
    
    Performance, weights and dimensions are given and as well as a fairly
    detailed history of the project and flight impressions.
    
    This is the RAF version which is somewhat different, I conclude,
    from the Brazilian progenitor - the lower powered Pratt & Whitney
    version.
    
    If you would like I will send the magazine - although I would like
    it back sometime!? as I had saved this just in case I would like
    to build one in the future - I was also attracted to it!
        
    I have seen kits advertised in the English mags and am sure I have
    seen a kit review somewhere in the last year but last night failed
    to find it.
    
    If you like, Norm, I will keep looking - let me know and about the
    mag.
    
    Regards and good luck
    
    Brian
    

    Brain,
    
    	that information would be great! Is there anyway that I can
    get a back-issue copy of that mag.? I would hate to have anything
    happen to yours.
    
    	My mail stop is:
    	 Norm Collins 
    	 AKO1-2/H4

>    < Note 993.6 by AKOV12::COLLINS >
>                              -< thanks for info >-
>
>    Brain,
>    
>    	that information would be great! Is there anyway that I can
>    get a back-issue copy of that mag.? I would hate to have anything
>    happen to yours.
>    
>    	My mail stop is:
>    	 Norm Collins 
>    	 AKO1-2/H4

    Norm,
    
    Air International editoral offices are ...
    
    	The Air International
    	PO Box 16
    	Bromley
    	Kent
    	BR2 7RB                      
    	England
    
    Subscription, Advertising & Circulation Offices are ...
    
    	The Air International
    	De Worde House
    	283 Lonsdale Road
    	London
    	SW13 9QW
    	England
    
    	'phone (0)1-878 2454
    
    USA & Canadian readers may address enquiries to ...
    
    	Air International
    	PO Box 353
    	Whitestone
    	NY 11357
    
    for onward transmission to the UK.
    
    Subscription Manager is Janet Streek and Circulation Director is
    William Streek both at, I guess, the editorial offices.
    
    Issues cost �1.25 ( pounds sterling ) each and subscriptions inclusive
    of postage direct from publishers are ...
    
    	UK		�15.00 ( pounds sterling )
    	Overseas        �16.50 ( pounds sterling )
    	USA 		$32.00 ( dollars US ) 
    	Canada		$40.00 ( dollars Canadian )
    
    Rates for airmail subscriptions are available from Subscription
    Dept.
    
    I cannot see any mention in the issue I have of back-issues ...
    
    
    	soooo .... I telephoned Janet Streek ( what a charming person!
    	and an absolute delight to speak to - brightened my day so much
    	that I now have to find some cotton and a needle to stitch my
    	sides up with! )
    
    A COPY IS WINGING IT'S WAY TO YOU AT THE OFFICE ( complete with
    mailstop ) BY AIR(International)MAIL!
    
    Compliments of me and Air International ( we split the charges!
    ) - no don't mention it, it's only a few bucks.
    
    That makes this note a bit redundant but I will leave it as it is in
    case the information is of use to others.
    
    I will keep looking for the kits I have seen advertised - I seem
    to remember that the outfit/person had 3 kits - Chipmunk, Bulldog
    & Tucano ( all RAF trainers ).
    
    All the best
    
    Brian
    
    P.S. I notice you are in Acton - if you know the CSS people there
    ( Jim Bennett, Dave Moccia & Co. please give them my regards )
    
                       

    Brian,
    
    	This is great!!!! Thanks ever so much. I'll be looking for it
    in the mail.(can hardly wait)
    
    	If you should find where I might get a kit or a good set of
    plans, that would really be the greatest!!
    
    
    	Once again, thank you for all the help.
    
    Norm
    

    Scott,
    
    	I was trying to read your entry on the Tucano note. Is there
    anymore that you are adding to it? It keeps saying your note is
    being written.
    
    	Could you give me more....!
    
    
    Norm Collins

There is a small company in the UK that manufactures two Tucano kits -

    	56" span for 40/60 engines - �74
    	78" span for 15-25cc engines - �140

I gave them a call and they say they are sport-scale, but closer than the
Modellhob kit. Kits contain "everything", glass fuz, foam wings, drop tanks(?),
pilot, canopy, cowl, wheels etc. They have experience of shipping overseas,
quoted about �30 airmail for the smaller model, �100+ for the larger
(apparently it is a big box that gets charged volumetricaly rather than by
weight). The small model is on a 6 week waiting list, the larger 4 weeks.

Their address is - Leicester Model Centre, Stafford St. Corner, Melton Road,
Leicester, England.  Telephone - +44 533 666363  I have some literature in the
post to me which I will forward on when I get it.

They were reviewed in Radio Control Model World, September 84. The guy I talked
to said it was a poor review complaining about weight of the model when the
reviewer had it sprayed by a car bodyshop and put in too small an engine (he
has a vested interest, but given other reviews I've seen from that mag, I would
agree they don't always seem fair.). Their address is Severn Drive,
Upton-on-Severn, Worcestershire WR8 0JL, England. Anybody else in the UK have
that issue?? 

    Hope this helps,

    Scott

    thanks Eric, maybe you could help me the convertion from pounds
    sterling to US dollars.
    
    Scott, thank you for all your help. Now I have to start saving up
    my pennies.
    
    thanks again,
    Norm
    

>    < Note 993.13 by AKOV12::COLLINS >
>                            -< thank for the help >-
>
>    thanks Eric, maybe you could help me the convertion from pounds
>    sterling to US dollars.

    Norm,
    
    Currently the exchange rate is about $1.8(US dollars)=�1.00(pound
    sterling) so for instance �100(pounds) is about $180(dollars) -
    I think you will find that prices for our hobby are cheap in the
    US by comparison with the UK - OS48 Surpass for instance is �145
    (pounds) that's about $260(dollars)!
    
    Start saving those pennies!
    
    Good luck
    
    Brian
    

    Brian,
    
    	I could the copy of AIR Internationl today. It's great!
    Now it's really got me going. 
    
    	Since I cannot afford the kit, I'm going try to scratch build
    it. I plan on reading th mag cover to cover tonight, but I could
    use some help on the research part. I hope the mag will give me
    a start, but could could someone point me in the right direction?
    I've never research a plan before.
    
    	Once again, thank you Brain.
    
    
    Norm
    

You should try to dig up that article on the Tucano -- the more I
think about it, the more I think it was in MA.  Maybe a call to
them will identify the issue and plan.  That was a high quality
model. 

    I just spoke with MA. It's the May 85 issue. I'm sending my request
    for it or at least a copy of the Tucano artical. 
    
    
    Thank you for the help
    
    Norm

    Norm,
    
    I have located a plan for the Tucano from Radio Modeller magazine.
    
    Details ...
    
    TUCANO - sports scale model of the prop-jet trainer, 46inch span
    for 0.30 to .040 cu in motors and 4 function R/C.
    
    Plan number RM291 	- price �4.25 + 0.60p p&p ( UK ) 
    Foam wing FWTRM291  - price �13.50 inc. p&p ( UK )
    Cowl COWRM291	- PRICE �2.75 inc. P&P ( UK )
    Offer includes FREE canopy ( I think they mean if you buy all three)
    
    It's only sport scale and it may be too small for you but it may
    be a good start for drawing your own plan.
    
    If you would like me to get one and send it I will - I don't know
    what the shipping costs would be but the cost of the bits above
    would be about $34 ( US dollars ) or $8 for the plan only ( which
    I could put in the internal mail to you.
    
    Let me know what you think.
    
    Regards
    
    Brian
    
    P.S. if you want to contact Radio Modeller Plans Service the address
    and phone number is ...
    
    Radiomodeller Plans Service
    Argus Specialist Publications Ltd.
    Argus House
    Boundary Way
    Hemel Hempstead
    Hertfordshire
    HP2 7ST
    
    [44]-(442)-66551
    
    they take Access ( Mastercard ) & Barclaycard ( Visa ) and may be
    able to arrange shipping to US at extra cost
    

    Brian,
    
    	What issue of Radio Modeller is the TUCANO in? I know of a magazine
    stand here in the states (Cambrigde,MA) that carrier some UK r/c
    mags.
    
    	Is it a resent one?
    
    Like you said, it's a start.
    
    
    thanks,
    
    Norm
    

    You know, I noticed that the current issue of the Radio Control Buyer's
    Guide has a Tucano T-27 kit listed.  If you'de like, I'll look it up and
    put the Manufacturer here.

    Yes, I would be interested. Is your Radio Control Buyer's Guide
    the 88-89 issue?
    
    
    
    Norm
                            

>    Yes, I would be interested. Is your Radio Control Buyer's Guide
>    the 88-89 issue?

    Yes, I bought it at Fisher RC this weekend.  The plane is an ARF or RTF,
    I'm afraid.  I actually looked it up last night, but to my dismay, seem
    unable to remember the manufacturer today.  It's a nice looking plane.

    send me mail, and I'll look it up tonight.

    Randy

    Norm,
    
    If you can get a copy there is an advert on page 5 for the Plans
    Service and the Tucano plan is top-right of the advert.
    
    Good luck
    
    Brian
    

    I am not going to enter the mathematical foray however I have seen
    the Leicester Models Tucano fly and it appears to be a good machine
    one of the clubs I visited recently had a member flying a Tucano
    and an L.M.C. Harrier. The Harrier was unfortunatly not as sucessful
    a model as the owner seemed to be using it primarily for a series
    of hogh speed Taxiing exercises!!!!!!!
    
    
    Regards
    
    Dave