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| Title: | Welcome To The Radio Control Conference |
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| Moderator: | VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS |
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| Created: | Tue Jan 13 1987 |
| Last Modified: | Thu Jun 05 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
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855.0. "Cleveland [old kit] plans" by PNO::CASEYA (THE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)) Fri Feb 10 1989 09:48
Just a word or two to those who are unfamiliar with Cleveland.
Back in the 40's, 50's and [maybe] early 60's, Cleveland kitted
a large assortment of stick-and-tissue, rubber powered scale models.
These were considered to be the Cadillacs of the rubber-powered genre
anr were, even for their day, quite expensive next to their contem-
poraries, e.g. Comet, Megow, Guillows, etc. Also, compared with
those just mentioned, the Cleveland kits were quite complex/labor
intensive to build and were for the more experienced builder, though
the finished model was still just a stick-and-tissue model with
its obvious scale drawbacks (except, obviously, for those whose
prototypes were fabric covered over open structure).
Also, many of the Cleveland kits were to quite a large scale compared
with the norm, 1/6, 1/5, even 1/4 scale not being unusual, but still
in stick-and-tissue construction.
The point is this: since suspending kit manufacture, plans for all
the Cleveland designs are still being sold but the buyer should
understand up-front that he's purchasing nothing more than the drawings
for a stick-and-tissue, rubber model, not anything that was ever
designed [or intended] for R/C. *CONSIDERABLE* modifiction, up
to complete re-engineering of the structure, _WILL_ be required to
adapt a Cleveland plan to R/C, with the possible exception of electric
power where some beefing would still be necessary. I think scale
accuracy was fair but have no doubt that some concessions were made
to allow for a successful, free-flight, rubber-powered model.
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| 855.1 | Cleveland address & phone | WR2FOR::BEATTY_WI | | Thu Feb 09 1989 13:02 | 15 |
| Martin,
For Comet plans you might try:
Cleveland Model & Supply Company
10307B Detroit Ave
Cleveland, Ohio 44102
Their phone number is (USA) 216-961-3600
They have over 1400 plan sets and theres a good possibility they
have what you are looking for.
Good Luck
Will Beatty
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| 855.2 | cleveland copies | SKYWAY::KRUEGER | | Fri Feb 10 1989 03:58 | 11 |
| I've been to US last year and I've phoned Cleveland for the plan
I've got it after I came back to CH and phoned him from here
The plan is good but the copy is bad. I'ts a 1/7
scale and it is for rubber-mot. Which is not bad for Electro-mots
but it is not a 1/6 scale. I've copied the most important parts
of the plan in the sice I need, but that was not the quality you
need for a scalmodel.
But never the less, Cleveland is not bad and it works well for Europe
if you send monye with your order. You say it is expencive, you're
right (concerning the copies of his plans) but he realy has almost
everything, but not the right scale.
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| 855.3 | My Cleveland experience | SNOC01::BROWNTONY | Tony Brown Sydney, Australia | Sun Feb 12 1989 19:10 | 25 |
| A couple of years ago, I went on a plans catalogue buying spree,
including Cleveland. I did buy a 45" span Tiger Moth plan from them
which turned out to be rubber powered. At least the catalogue is
entertaining, apart from the continual griping about money. However,
the calalogue is in no particular sequence, which makes finding
anything very frustrating.
For what it's worth, Cleveland has a DH88 Comet series of plans,
the largest of which is 1/8th scale, 66"( 1676mm). If you definitely
need 1/6th scale, you may do better by scaling up the three views
and designing the structure yourself. Oh, the plan number is CD-51.
The only other Comet plan I know is a small free flight version
produced by Aeromodeller (UK) some years ago. About 1983, an Austalian
(forgotten his name) scaled that plan up to about 1/5th size and
powered it with a pair of OS90's. I watched him break props trying
to get it airborne one time. Not an easy plane to manage, on the
ground or in the air (watch those sharply tapered wings). Which
reminds me, I have seen a photo of a very large version built in
Japan: the builder use larged non-scale slots to avoid the tip stalling
problem.
Good luck
Tony
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| 855.4 | Sounds like the right one to me | ODIHAM::WARWICK_B | | Fri Feb 17 1989 04:00 | 18 |
| Dan,
re: .7
> Is the DH88 Comet a bright red Twin Engine racer?
I think you are right - single fuselage/tail-boom/tail feathers,
twin engines and wheel pants?
I looked this up in my Plans Catalog ( british magazine plans )
and the only plan for the DH88 is for a smallish ( can't remember
the size ) control-line, stand-off scale.
Is this likely to be any good to you Martin?
I could get you a copy if it is.
Brian
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| 855.5 | 1/5 and 1/4 Scale info. | SUBURB::BODDINGTONA | | Fri Feb 24 1989 07:31 | 21 |
| Hi,
I don't get to look in the notes file very often but thought
you might be interested in some DH88 model info. (All obtained by
picking my father's brains!)
The member of the Swiss scale team with the DH88 is probably Hans
Rudi Zoeller (spelling?). His model was about 1/5th scale.
My father has designed a 1/4 scale version of the DH88. Three of
them are being built and the first should be ready to fly at Easter.
Originally they were to be powered by Webra 90 2-strokes, but their
propensity for back-firing and throwing props has led to them being
dropped. The most likely power source is to be the 22cc Kawasaki
ex-chain-sawer motor.
I'll let you know how things progress.
Regards, Andrew.
PS The fullsize has flown again and should be at airdisplays in
the UK this year.
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