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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

782.0. "new drill batteries" by CTHULU::YERAZUNIS (According to my calculations, we're in Portland, Maine) Tue Nov 29 1988 18:01

    It's now time for me to re-cell my trusty Milwaukee cordless electric
    drill.
    
    It needs 6 sub-C NiCad cells.  I've gotten the case apart and the
    cells loose...
    
    Is there anyone out there with a box of loose cells who wants to
    part with 6, or should I buy a cheap 7.2V racing pack and chop
    it up for the cells? 
         
    Please send/author to mail, or reply here.
    	 
    	 Thanks,
    	-Bill CTHULU::YERAZUNIS              
    -----
    
    N.B. After 3 years (got the drill as a gift Christmas '85), only
    1 cell still functioned- and yet the drill still worked!  Not great,
    but it still worked.  The other 5 cells were dead shorts.
    
    I tried "zapping" the shorted cells with the 12V Diehard car battery
    I keep around for occasions like this.  Three cells came back to
    life, the other two burned completely open.  It's not worth doing this
    job halfway, hence I want 6 cells, not just 2. 
                                               
    If anyone out there wants to get a _good_ cordless drill this
    christmas, I heartily endorse the big Milwaukee 3/8 cordless.  It'll
    turn a 3/4" masonry bit into a brick wall with ease (on a good pack,
    that is :-) ). 
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782.1zappingLEDS::LEWISWed Nov 30 1988 09:539
    
    For zapping I would recommend you charge a big cap, say 10,000 uF,
    to a few volts and use the cap to zap the battery.  Increase the
    voltage in small steps and rezap until the short is cleared.  Seems
    like this would help avoid overzapping and the resulting open circuit.
    
    I assume Milwaukee wants a small fortune for a replacement battery?
    
    Bill
782.2Nicad source - MR NICADWRASSE::FRIEDRICHSWhere's the snow??Wed Nov 30 1988 11:3330
    I found this the other day in another notes file...  Might be a
    good general source for all of our nicads!
    
    enjoy,
    jeff
    
    
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CHFV03::SCHULDT "Larry Schuldt - WA9TAH"             14 lines  15-JUL-1987 11:56
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    I entered this info in another note on a dead cordless phone, but
    I'll add it here, too.  At the Dayton Hamvention this year there
    was an exhibitor calling himself Mr. Nicad.  I bought a couple of
    his pre-built packs for a hand-held transceiver to replace the original
    battery pack which had a couple dead cells.  Worked great!  He had
    all sorts of other stuff and I think could match just about anything.
    
    			Mr. Nicad
    			E. H. Yost and Co.
    			7344 Tetiva Rd.
    			Fox City, WI 53583
    
    			(608) 643-3194
    
782.3Just hoping for a box of loose cells...CTHULU::YERAZUNISI can add, test, and branch; therefore I am.Fri Dec 02 1988 11:2213
    The Spag's price for the pack is $40; I went for it since there
    didn't seem to be much response here.  Besides, now I have two packs
    (or rather, I _will_ have two packs when I re-cell this one) and
    will be able to swap them back and forth to minimize heat loading.
    
    Oh well... guess it's time to call Tower and get a Royal pack for
    parts... :-(
             
    I wonder if I can chuck a starter cone in the drill and use it as
    an engine starter?  Is 600 RPM and infinite torque enough to kick
    over a glow-engine?  :-)
    
    	-Bill
782.4In case you weren't kidding...LEDS::LEWISFri Dec 02 1988 13:147
    
    You probably could use a cordless drill to start the smaller engines
    but I doubt if they have anywhere near the startup torque of a
    12v electric starter.  Worth a try if you want to save some money
    though!
    
    Bill
782.7Sounds good to me!CTHULU::YERAZUNISWhy are so few of us left healthy, active, and without personaliFri Dec 02 1988 17:2019
    Fourteen bucks, eh?  Sounds good.  I'll try it...  The Milwaukee
    plastic casing is in fine shape (it isn't glued together, it bolts
    together.  All I need is the cells.
    
    -----
    
    Don't worry about the torque.  As long as 600 RPM's is enough, it'll
    put out enough torque that you _cannot_ restrain the chuck (a full-size
    jacobs chuck) with your hand.  It will strip out 2" drywall screws,
    strip the wood that is, unless you dial the screwdriving clutch
    down.  The clutch can be set to "lock" for drilling... or maybe
    for cranking...:-) 
    
    Like I said, this isn't one of those horrid Taiwanese "power
    screwdrivers", it's a Milwaukee heavy duty 3/8 commercial unit.
                   
    	Thanks all.  I'll try to hit BJ's soon.
    
    	-Bill
782.8It might be a bit slowLEDS::WATTSun Dec 04 1988 21:065
    I think that 600 RPM might be too slow to be an effective starter.
    The regular commercial ones turn over 2000 rpm, I'm sure.  Your
    drill might start the bigger motors, but I don't know how well it
    would work on a 40 or smaller one.  Try it.  You'll have to buy
    or make a rubber cone to engage the spinner.
782.10Thumbs down on "Condor" 7.2V 1400mAH packs.CTHULU::YERAZUNISI don&#039;t want to rule the Universe, I just want to see it.Mon Dec 05 1988 18:3120
    
    Well, I re-celled the pack over the weekend with cells from a $14.00  
    "B.J.'s Wholesale Club" (trade name "Condor") 7.2v 1400 mAH RC car
    pack...
    
    It works.  Not great.  I'd say that the cells are about 60% as
    powerful as the brand-name Milwaukee cells.  The cells averaged
    being able to put 6 amps (per cell) at a dead short into my ammeter.
    The one good cell in the old Milwaukee pack was able to put out
    over 12 amps (it off-scaled, don't know by how much.  I wear safety
    glasses when I check this, by the way. :-)  ) !
    
    The re-celled pack also heats up much more than the old Milwaukee
    pack during charge (higher internal cell impedance?)
    
    Oh well.  Next time I'll go for the good Sanyo or G.E. Gold-top
    cells.  
    
    Don't bother with "Condor" 7.2v racing packs for any sort of serious
    use.  They aren't worth it compared to Sanyo or even Tamiya packs. 
782.11Sullivan drive cone measurementsGUSHER::RYDERTue Dec 13 1988 12:2913
    Prompted by notes 782.3 to 782.9 about possibly using an electric drill
    to drive a starter cone, I examined a new Sullivan starter with the
    aluminum "cone".  Anyone with access to a lathe can easily make their
    own hardware and then buy the rubber inserts, etc. 
    
    The cone is a cylinder --- inside diameter 1 7/16 inches, depth 7/8ths.
    The shaft is 5/16ths, stepped down to an ordinary 1/4-20 right hand
    thread.  The cone screws on this shaft and is secured by a jam nut. 

    
    I hope Bill reports on his success with the drill.  Besides the
    speed and torque issues, the direction of rotation will tend to
    loosen the drill chuck.