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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

458.0. "comments on speed controllers" by SNDCSL::SMITH (William P.N. (WOOKIE::) Smith) Tue Feb 02 1988 19:59

    I was all exicited about getting a better speed controller for my
    Clod Buster (the Futaba MC112B that I got has a braking action which
    I don't need, and doesn't play well with the rest of my system),
    so I was going to get an RET-44 {Reversing Electronic Throttle}
    from VANTEC of Sherman Oaks, CA, but they have vanished from the
    face of the earth since their ad on page 239 of the January RCM.
     This {is, was, was rumored to be, could have been, was a vaporware
    ad for?} a fully proportional forward, fully proportional reverse
    speed controller that could deal with up to 16 volts and 12 amperes.
    It was claimed to chop at 5 times the rate of other speed controllers
    for better low speed control, and was opto-isolated from the receiver.
    All this for only $70, but they aren't at their phone number and
    the telco has no idea what happened to them.
    
    	Anyway, does anyone have reccommendations or ideas for speed
    controllers of equal performance?  I need something that will do
    proportional forward and proportional reverse and handle up to 6
    amps at 12 volts.  ANy ideas at all?
    
    Many thanks in advance!
    
    Willie
    
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458.1sold on FutabaMDVAX1::SPOHRWed Feb 03 1988 10:4414
    If I remember correctly I have a Futaba MC-8B in my Blackfoot. 
    I have had it for about a year and have had no problems.  The thing
    I like about it is that it has BOTH proportional braking and
    proportional reverse.  There is an adjust you make determine how
    much brake vs. reverse you want. You can have all of each or a
    combination (slighty crude) of the two.  The thing handles about
    40 amps 6-cell and a little less with 7-cells.  And yes I use 7-cells
    now exclusively, the ESC has auto-thermal shutdown, but I have'nt
    been able to overheat it yet.
    
    Give me a call at DTN 445-6577 and I will glad relate my RC car/racing
    experience/etc...
    
    Chris Spohr
458.2Don't need no stinking brakes!SNDCSL::SMITHWilliam P.N. (WOOKIE::) SmithSat Feb 06 1988 23:015
    Thanks Chris, I got an MC-108B (FM model of yours) today, and it's
    quite nice.  Looks like I'll be building something custom for my
    next vehicle, though, unless it has a computer on board....
    
    Willie
458.3Keep on truckin'!MDVAX1::SPOHRMon Feb 08 1988 17:3511
    Willie,
    
    I think you're gonna be happy with it.  There is some trade of on
    the brake/reverse setting but its tolerable due to the flexibility
    it offers.
    
    Happy motorin',
    
    Chrsi
    
    
458.5I love it!SNDCSL::SMITHWilliam P.N. (WOOKIE::) SmithMon Feb 08 1988 17:468
    I like it a lot, because I don't want or need any braking (the vehicle
    moves very slowly and comes to a halt as soon as I release the
    throttle), and this one allows me to turn the braking completely
    off and get the maximum flexibility of response in reverse.
    
    Many thanks for the pointer!
    
    Willie
458.7Finally got one, I like it!COBRA::SMITHSun May 29 1988 20:4845
    Well, after the usual aggravating runaround (*) I finally got the
    Vantec speed controller, and I am muchly impressed!  The physical
    size is a bit larger than the usual ones, but the smoothness of
    the speed control is beyond belief.  It chops the motor current
    at 5 times the normal rate (of 50 Hz?) and is equally smooth in
    forward as reverse.  In fact I've got forward and reverse swapped
    and the transmitter reversed and I can't tell the difference.  It's
    also optically isolated from the receiver so it's impossible for
    interference from the motor to get back to the receiver thru the
    servo connector.  [One minus here is that there's no builtin BEC,
    but since I had to have a 5 volt regulator for the on-board DVM,
    I just use that for the receiver power as well.]  The ratings are
    a bit low for bigger cars and trucks (12 amps continuous, 25 amps
    surge) but it deals with a large voltage range (4.8 to 16 volts).
    I really can't reccomend this speed controller highly enough!
    
    Willie
    
    (*) I guess I have to get used to the R/C industry in general. 
    They have been advertising the RET-44 since at least January, but
    they moved and the phone company didn't have a forwarding number
    for a while, then they tried to refuse to sell me the controller
    for use with a Clod Buster [even after my explanation that _my_
    Clod Buster only draws 6 amps peak at 12 volts].  I finally put
    in my order, only to be told that they hadn't yet _built_ any of
    the RET-44s, but the RET-41 was functionally equivalent (and twice
    the size).  OK, twist my arm, I'll take the RET-41.  I called almost
    a month later only to find that my order had been delayed, but it
    would be definately be shipped "tomorrow".  It only took them 8
    days to finally send it out...  When I called the last time to
    find out about it, I asked about the RET-44 and was told that they
    didn't have PC boards for it yet.  Sigh.  Well, they did send me
    a coupon good for 10 percent off my next purchase, and I'm sufficiently
    enamoured of the RET-41 that I'll probably spring for the RET-44
    when/if it becomes available, but a 6 month vaporware phase for
    the RET-44 is a bit excessive.  The construction of the RET-41 wasn't
    too bad (typical garage shop operation, no labels on the case,
    documentation _still_ labeled 'preliminary'), and there was only
    one chip (an LM339 quad comparator) and a bunch of transistors (and
    of course the FET bridge) in it, but for $70 it's far better than
    the Futaba speed controllers I've owned...
    
    If anyone is interested, their new phone number is (805) 929-5055.
    
    Willie