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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

432.0. "comments on file future and Kay's book" by --UnknownUser-- () Wed Jan 13 1988 12:15

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432.5SUGGESTIONDARTH::GAROZZOWed Jan 13 1988 15:496
    MY VOTE IS TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE NOTESFILE. I DON'T GET ALOT OF
    TIME TO LOG IN SO I WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING AT A GLANCE.
    
    REGARDS,
    BOB G.
    
432.6thumbs downAKOV02::DHUGHESthe OTHER Dave Hughes...Wed Jan 13 1988 17:1111
    I vote for one file, with a "reviews" topic.  If any individual
    kit/design becomes controversial, that might be a candidate for
    another topic, but I'd really prefer not to read any more notes
    files.
    
    Really, I think we have some of this already - there are topics
    on "who makes the best kit," and "what is the best trainer," plus
    a couple of "advice for a beginner."  Those could be added to -
    of a single "reviews" topic could be opened....
    
    Dave
432.8Ditto,Ditto,Ditto,Ditto....GERBIL::JAFFEThe Big Blue Buster from CMGThu Jan 14 1988 11:012
    Ditto on .5 and others for a single file. The agreement must come
    from the Jersey blood in me.
432.11One vote, one note.WFOVX6::MAX_YOUNGRon YoungThu Jan 14 1988 16:1118
	Not that I know all there is to know about notes, but I do
	prefer to have as much as possible in one place.  It seems
	that a lot of others do also given that for sale stuff shows
	up here and not in rc_swap, probably a prudent choice on the
	part of the noter since maybe not everyone reads or knows of
	the "other rc notes file".

	It would be nice, though, if some of the not pertinent one
	man's treasures could be removed from this file (no offense
	Carol, one person's treasures) and some of the topics that
	are plane specific organized that way.

	I'd also like to see some of the duplicate topics combined
	if that's possible and would be willing to do the work required
	to accomplish that, but then I like empty directories too!

	Ron
432.12"Whatever" Floats my boat!ARCANA::JORGENSENThu Jan 14 1988 22:3927
My vote is to let her G R O W !!!!!  If we all could start using
some Keywords and begin using the Notes features that so few know
about or know about and don't use(including myself) ie DIR/Title =...etc
than we could better use information that already exists.  I am just
as guilty as everyone else.... as soon as I get into RC Notes I 
do that proverbial DIR LAST-1 and pay attention to[for the most part]
the most recent entries.  There are a LOT of repetitive questions
that would need not have be asked is someone only did a little search'n
via those short cuts.

Al Casey just showed me how to extract excerpt from other notes...
I'm sure there is a lot of other great facilities and features that 
Vax Notes offers.... Let's just use um!

Also, I vote for getting the RC_SWAP in this file under one note.
If anyone has seen the Skiing notes file, or Car_buffs, then ya know
what I'm talking about... it seems to work good.

To the moderator... is there any documentation on the features that
are offered through Vax Notes???  If so, any chance we could make some
copies and get um circulating?


This whole thing is such a great wealth of information... I'm really
    agreeable to "whatever"!!!!!!! Just keep something!

Brian Jorgensen                                        
432.13Let it grow.MDSUPT::EATONDan EatonFri Jan 15 1988 00:069
    RE: RC_Review. Don't create another notesfile please! Too much work
    to be hopping back and forth all the time. 
    
    RE: Archiving this notesfile and starting over. Over my dead body
    8^). I'd rather let it grow and grow untill it gets wiped out by
    accident like the good old days. Kids, always wanting to change
    some thing 8^)!
    
    Dan Eaton
432.17Hun - where is my RC book?K::FISHERBattery, Mags, & Gas Off!Fri Jan 15 1988 08:4354
Here's a thought.

Most of us want this info instantly available and also
want to keep up with the day to day babble and for sale ads
and the "can you help me withs".

What if someone took the notes file and cut and pasted
their brains out and made a book out of it.  They could take
entire notes or parts of other notes and form chapters on
Hints for beginners
Do you need an instructor opinions
Suggested first trainers
Reviews of kits
Fiberglassing
Painting
Covering
Engine clinic
landing techniques
Aerobatics
Scale
Pattern
Gliders
Batteries
Cars
Hobby shops
Mail order
etc.

Then with a little organization you could change that into
a book and have available both on line and in printed form.

On several occasions I have printed a set of notes and taken home.

Some editorial freedom would of course be exercised and it would
never be "THE SAME" as the notes file.  For instance how would
or could you maintain the Who's Who with What?  By the way I think that 
multiple listing certain notes is a good idea - for instance if there is a 
good story in Ramblings and it gives a lesson on flight Safety or landing 
procedures then that same note should also be included in the other topic 
- not just pointers.


Anyway - I don't really have time but it seems like such a good Idea
that I will volunteer.  I think I can even automate it such that if I 
read a new note and decide to add it to the chapter on Scale then I 
could get it inserted into the book with a couple of key strokes.  
Lets here opinions - do I edit my brains out only for myself or is anyone 
else interested?

              _!_      
Bye        ----O----   
Kay R. Fisher / \     

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432.28RC BookK::FISHERBattery, Mags, & Gas Off!Thu Feb 25 1988 10:53140
>< Note 432.17 by K::FISHER "Battery, Mags, & Gas Off!" >
...
>What if someone took the notes file and cut and pasted
>their brains out and made a book out of it.  They could take
...
>Then with a little organization you could change that into
>a book and have available both on line and in printed form.

Bet you thought I forgot about that.

Well I've been editing and now before I let anyone see the results I
want some constructive feedback.

Please look the following outline over and let me know what
subjects should be subordinate to what.

As I edited the old notes file (2,682 blocks) I ended up creating a lot
of topics on the fly and didn't get them well structured.

Since the new notes file is 11136 blocks long - I want to reorganize
before I start populating the book with the new entries.

              _!_      
Bye        ----O----   
Kay R. Fisher / \     

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                           Radio Controlled Note Book
                            DATE: 25  February 1988



                                   CONTENTS

        1       BEGINNERS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
        1.1       Instructors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  16
        1.2       Cost . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  23
        2       CLUBS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  27
        2.1       Events . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  36
        2.2       Auctions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  40
        2.3       Competitions/Fun Flys  . . . . . . . . . . . . .  47
        3       KIT REVIEWS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  51
        4       GADGETS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  61
        5       BUILDING TIPS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  62
        5.1       Molding Fiberglass . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  68
        5.2       Control Surface Hinges . . . . . . . . . . . . .  72
        5.3       Control Rods . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  76
        5.4       Warping Wood . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  84
        5.5       Vertical Stabilizer Strength . . . . . . . . . .  86
        5.6       Adhesives  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  89
        5.7       Foam Wings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  96
        5.7.1     Foam Wing Cores  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  96
        5.7.2     Foam Wing Sheeting . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 102
        5.7.3     Foam Wing Repairs  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 106
        5.8       Floats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 108
        5.9       Building Tools . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110
        6       FINISHING/COVERING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110
        6.1       Covering . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110
        6.2       Glassing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 116
        6.3       Painting . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 120
        6.4       Oil Soaked Wood  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 123
        7       ENGINE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125
        7.1       Brands . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125
        7.2       4 Cycles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 128
        7.3       Troubleshooting  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 136
        7.4       After Run Oil  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150
        7.5       Cold Weather Hints . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 151
        7.6       Skiis  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 153
        7.7       Floats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 154
        7.8       Ducted Fans  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 154
        7.9       Smoke Systems  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158
        7.10      On Board Starters  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 159
        7.11      Glow-Plugs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 162
        7.12      Tachs  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 167
        7.13      Spare Parts  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 171
        8       PROPS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 173
        9       RADIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 174
        9.1       User Hints . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 181
        9.2       Modes And Single Sticks  . . . . . . . . . . . . 184
        9.3       Frequencies  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 186
        9.4       Servos . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 189
        9.5       Water Damage . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 190
        10      MANEUVERS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 192
        11      WORK SHOP  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 194


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        12      SCALE  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 198
        13      PATTERN  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 199
        14      HELICOPTERS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 201
        15      GLIDERS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 222
        16      ELECTRIC FLIGHT  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 233
        17      MISC PLANES  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 237
        18      RETRACTS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 238
        19      TRIMMING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 239
        20      CARS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 249
        21      ELECTRONIC SPEED CONTROLS  . . . . . . . . . . . . 277
        22      BOATS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 282
        23      BATTERIES  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 286
        24      HOBBY SHOPS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 298
        25      MAIL ORDER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 304
        26      WHOS WHO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 308
        27      WINTER PROJECTS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 329
        28      RELATED NOTES FILES/BULLETIN BOARDS  . . . . . . . 337
        29      COST CONSIDERATIONS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 337
        30      LEGAL ISSUES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 343
        31      FUEL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 343
        32      CARS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 346
        33      SOAP OPERAS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 358
        33.1      Landing  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 358
        33.2      Takeoffs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 360
        33.3      Records  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 364
        33.4      Airplane Projects  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365
        33.4.1    Tom Tenerowicz's T34 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365
        33.4.2    Tom Tenerowicz's Byron Originals Glasair . . . . 371
        33.4.3    Tom Tenerowicz's T-2-A MKII  . . . . . . . . . . 376
        33.4.4    Jeff Friedrichs' Neiuport-11 . . . . . . . . . . 381
        33.4.5    Bob Day's And Kay Fisher's Jeeps . . . . . . . . 382
        33.4.6    Dan Snow's Robin Hood/Maloney 100  . . . . . . . 387
        34      MANUFACTURERS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 391
        35      FOR SALE/WANTED  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 395
        36      AMA  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 409
        37      AERODYNAMICS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 414
        38      RAMBLINGS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 421
        38.1      Weather  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 421
        38.2      Nostalgia  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 422
        38.3      War Stories  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 422
        38.4      First Flights  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 422
        38.5      Crash Analysis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 433
        38.6      Aerial Photography . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 436
        38.7      Misc . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 440
        39      ROBBERIES  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 442
        40      DUMB MISTAKES  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 442
        41      VIDEOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 446
432.30What a task!SNDCSL::SMITHWilliam P.N. (WOOKIE::) SmithThu Feb 25 1988 12:3832
    re: .29
>      Also, would it make any sense to alphabetize
>    the general headings or would this complicate subsequent editing/
>    updating?       
 
    No, that's what the index is for...   :+}
    
    re: .28
    
    It does look like quite a task, but it might be easier to deal with
    if you were to break it up into several chapters each covering a
    related group of stuff, ie:
    
    1)	Modelling
    
    2)	R/C
    
    3)	Cars, Boats
    
    4)	Planes
    
    So those of us with little or no interest in planes (can you be
    into R/C and not into planes?  I suspect it might be illegal, please
    don't turn me in!) can skip to the good stuff.
    
    Also, one wonders how much good a for_sale/wanted section would
    be, unless you were to update very frequently...
    
    Other than that, it looks great, should I get in line for a copy
    now?
    
    Willie