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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

365.0. "Hirobo's new Stork Helicopter" by MDADMN::EATOND (Dan Eaton) Wed Jan 14 1987 11:59

 I stopped by one of the local RC emporiums yesterday and the owner showed me 
his Christmas present from Hirobo. The gave him one of their new Storks. It 
is an interesting machine. It's sort of like a Shuttle enlarged to the size of
a Cobra. I found the power plant the most interesting. The Stork uses a rear 
exhaust 46 size engine. Sorry, I can't recall who makes the engine. The custom
muffler sits underneath between the side frames. The fan is a good idea. Instead
of mounting the fan on the motor's shaft, they just have a pulley and belt. The
belt runs over to a fan housing that sits on top of the engine cylinder. No more
trying to adjust the fan just right on the motor shaft to keep the vibration 
down. The side frames have holders built in for all the tubing including a male
plug to stick the fill tube onto. The copter I saw was belt started but I 
understand you can get cone start as an option.

The fuselage is made from fiberglass. To remove it you pull out the front wheel
and then remove the plastic screws located on each side at the rear. The side
frames are like the Shuttle where the servo tray is moulded in along with 
openings for other gizzmos. The tail is driven by a belt like the Shuttle. This 
must be the wave of the future. One thing I noticed about the tail boom was 
that instead of a round aluminum tube like on the Cobra, they use a rounded hex
aluminum tube. No more running down to the hardware store for round tubing when
you ding the tail boom.

The rotor head is a DDF rotor head. There's damping on each blade in addition to
on the head itself. I've never had a chance to see a DDF head before so I can't
comment on if there's anything new in the design. It looks a whole lot different
from the head on my Cobra. Other than the additional dampers, the most noticeble
difference was in the washout unit. 

The owner didn't have a radio in the ship yet so he couldn't tell me about the 
flying characteristics. I have to see him again next week and he promised me a
report by then. He did mention a glitch in the instructions that might affect 
someone if they put the Stork together without the correct information. He said
there's a mistake in the setup instructions that indicates you should set the 
maximum pitch to 2 degrees. His distributor called and let him know to set the
pitch up to a maximum of 8. 

According to the owner, the Stork is an advanced copter, not recommended for the
beginner. It suppose to be for FAI (?) style flying. He pointed out that the 
reason it's not recommended for beginners is that with the plastic sideframes 
and the heaver weight than a Shuttle, hard beginner "landings" may be hard on 
the pocket book. He said that if you landings are no longer in the "controlled
crash" catagory then you should be able to fly the Stork with no problems.
When I get more information on it's flying characteristics I'll let you know.

Dan Eaton
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365.1Shuttle TroubleSPKALI::THOMASWed Jan 14 1987 12:3116
    	A guy in my club has a shuttle and has exploded it three times.
    The problem happens when landing as the rotors begin to slow down.
    one of the two rotors will flex down and strike the tail boom and
    it's pieces all over the place. He thinks that he has found the
    problem. He said that the rotor pitch set up has some slop in it.
    The set up for pitch control is a neutral position that allows
    both positive and negative pitch inputs from this neutral position.
    His theory is that as the rotos slow and pitch is reduced to neutral
    the slop allows the rotors to actually go negation. If the rotor
    still pocesses sufficient speed this then drives the rotors to a
    max. neg. setting that drives the rotors downward. This in turn
    causes the rotor to stike the boom. He plans to change the servo
    setting to minimize the neg setting that can be input to the rotors.
    He feels that the only adverse effect could be in the autorotation
    on the chopper.  ANY COMMENTS???
    
365.2Sources of info on the Shuttle.MDADMN::EATONDDan EatonWed Jan 14 1987 13:5612
    Can't remember which mag it was in but there was an artical by Ray
    Hoestler (sp?) discussing Shuttles self distructing occasionally.
    The problem turns out to be the leading edge of the rotor blades.
    The fix was filing off the sharp edge of the blades. I'll try and
    find the mag and post it here later. 
    
    Another source of info is the lastest issue (Autumn) of RC Helicopter
    Magazine. There's an artical on the Shuttle with several modifications.
    I think they talked about tightening up the rubber o-rings to eliminate
    blade slop.
    
    Dan Eaton
365.3More on Shuttle problem.MDADMN::EATONDDan EatonThu Jan 15 1987 10:1510
    re: 5.1,5.2
    
    Here's the Shuttle info I promised. The article is in the October
    1986 issue of RCM on page 64. After I re-read it, it sounds exactly
    like your friend's problem. One blade going out of track during
    hovering or landing and smacking the tail boom. According to the
    article, the sharp leading edge causes the blade(s) to be pitch
    sensitive enough to cause the out of track problem.
    
    Dan Eaton
365.4Stork update & the new ColtMDADMN::EATONDDan EatonWed Feb 25 1987 14:0922
I finally got some more info on the Stork. The owner has had it out now 
for a couple of test flights and reports that it flys like a dream. Very 
responsive and yet stable in hover. Says he hasn't found anything he doesn't 
like about it yet.

I got to see another new helicopter last night. This one is the Colt from
Japan. Don't know the company that makes it but they use a lot of Kalt parts.
The Colt is another beginners copter. Fixed pitch rotor, "plastic" side frames,
and come 65% completed. Uses a 50 to 60 size engine.  The shop owner has had
it out hovering and was surprized by how stable it is in hover. No forward
flight logged on the machine yet. Most notable thing about it is the 
humongus landing gear. No need to go out and buy Tuff-Struts for this machine.
The cross bars are made of 1/4" thich by 3/4" wide aluminum stock. Even the
strut tubes themselves are made out of thicker tubing than you normally see.
The thing must way a ton! The owner said that on the first flight he had the
engine too lean and the ship dropped from about ten feet up when the engine 
stopped. No damage to anything. We all asked about the hole it made in the 
asphalt where the skids hit. Does make you wonder where the force that bends
most landing gear on a hard landing ends up? This assembly didn't look like
it flex like Tuff-Struts.

Dan