Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

	As far as pine trees go, there is no difference as far as the "grip"
	of the stand.  It may even grip better.  The problem is that the
	tree bleeds all over you and gets you and your stand very sticky!

	Best tree (my opinion) is one that is as large a diameter as
	possible, has no knots or branches for at least 28' up (20'
	up for stand and 8' headroom) and has clear shot lanes from the
	stand.  Remember, the surrounding trees must not interfere with
	your arrow release.

	Scout out your trees early and mark them on your map.  Try
	them out, clear your shot lanes and trunk of small branches.
	Do this early...Before the season starts, so you disrupt the
	enviroment as little as possible when you do go in to set up.
	I've even gone so far as to set up a stand early in the fall
	and see what I can shoot with a camera.  That lets me know
	just how well my camo/scents are working BEFORE the season,
	rather than fooling around with different combinations AFTER
	it starts.

	Mike

    
      Len,
    
       While I do not favor climbing tree stands, I have used them. Any
    tree you intend to use could have loose bark. As you climb, you have to
    pay attention to the condition of the bark on the way up (assuming you
    have not noticed anything from the ground). I recommend using your
    safety strap as a climbing safety aid the same way woodcutters used to
    use ropes while going up a tree. Also, when selecting a tree for any
    stand, make sure you have some cover behind you such as a rock ledge
    or a group of other trees. This helps you to blend in with
    surroundings. I have seen some folks use a screw in foot peg as an
    emergency stop by screwing it into the tree once the base is in
    position. Always use the safety harness. It keeps you alive and I like
    touse it for those shots where I have to lean out.
    
                        good luck
    
                         Mike 
    once they have the base in position 

    
    Thank you (Ref .1 & .2).
    
    The safety strap is a definite must.  The litature that came with the
    stand stated that very clearly, a safety strap was also provided. 
    Something I hadn't thought of until reading the directions, is how to
    use the safety strap when climbing as well as when having reached
    desired height.  
    
    Well today is my big day, at 1500 hours I'll be pulling out for camp,
    rifle season opens tomorrow.  It all seems like a second level dream, I
    really feel relaxed today.  Eight straight days in the woods, can't
    think of a thing I'll need.  Let's see, 40 rounds '06, 100 rounds
    44mag, 23 rounds for backup rifle 303.  Coming to think of it about the
    only thing I'd have to leave the premise for would be to store the deer
    in a cooler about 5 miles away. 
    
    Reflecting on last year's hunting time and this year's time I'll only 
    be able to about half as much time in the woods.  Last year working 
    Sunday thru Wed, left Thru-Fri-&-Sat to hunt, no hunting on Sunday in 
    SC (northern half).  I wish all of the noters well, and hope all enjoy 
    a safe return without incident, other than limiting out.  
    
    Take care all.
    
    Leonard
    
    

	re .2 and .3...

	You're right.  So many, many accidents happen with tree stands
	that here in the Peoples Republic of Mass, many stores will not
	sell them because of the liability problems (guess there's some
	stupid law that holds the SELLER liable!)  No problem finding
	them in NH or Maine, however.

	I have had the foot climber slip out from under me on more than
	one occasion.  Rather upsetting experience at times!  Be sure that
	you have the footbed/climber attached to the top section with just
	enough rope to keep movement free, but prevent it from falling down
	to the bottom of the tree if it does come undone.  Kind of hard
	getting back down without it!  Also, NEVER climb with your bow or
	rifle or supplies in hand.  Tie them to a rope and pull them up
	once you reach the height you want to hunt at.  Bring something
	that closes tight to p*ss into, like an old or cheap plastic
	canteen so you can stay up there from sun-up till sundown.

	Mike

    ....and make sure that you keep straight which canteen is for incoming
       and which is for outgoing.
    
    
    Jeff

    Alot of emphasis has been put on the bark on the tree, and being
    cautious.  One very important detail, do not put your stand on a dead
    tree.  You read about it every once in awhile about some hunter put his
    stand in a tree at dark, winds picked up, and blew the tree down, and
    he broke numerous bones.  Know the condition and life of the tree you
    want to use.
    
    Good luck leonard.  I am going bow hunting for the last time this
    season this saturday.  Next few weekends are booked.
    Wedding
    Honeymoon
    Decservice awards banquet.
    November 9 rifle season for me.
    
    Bob
    

    A word of caution...
    
    Be on guard for ice buildup on the tree or moisture for that matter if
    you are in a birch or smooth barked tree.  I've slid down a bit before
    glad the safety harness was operative.  I got into the sway of things 
    as breezes came up and almost always saw lotsa other critters waiting
    for the big one. 
    
    Good luck!

    I few minutes can make a big difference in a tree stand.
    
    1.  Practice a few times moving up and down a few feet until 
    you get the hang of it.
    
    2. Set it up at home a foot or two above the ground and then
    get yourself comfortable in it. Stop and think about what you want
    when you're in the stand. ie,
    
    		Cord for hauling up bow or weapon
    		hook for hanging bow
    		small pack for other items.
    
    My stand is set up as follows. I don't pack my stand on my back as this
    restricts drawing the bow and seem to be noiser for me.  Rather I've
    installed a small handle on one of the side rails. Bow in one hand and
    stand in the other. Easy to put down (I've had three shots while
    going in, in the afternoons).  Add a piece of carpet to the stand. 
    This usually makes it quiter. I have a small fanny pack attached with
    velcro to the bottom of the stand.  This holds the safety strap,
    equipment line, marker tape, toilet paper, mat etc.  I also have a
    piece of velcro attached to the back of my camo. I use my for bow
    hunting and have a second bow quiver attachment bracket bolted to the
    stand. Once I've pulled the bow up I remove the quiver from the bow and
    slide it into the bracket of the stand. It allows freedom when shooting
    but keeps the arrowa handy for a reload.
    
    
    When I reach my desired height I te the stand in with a length of rope
    using a "Timber hitch".  One good point is when bow hunting set the
    stand up ready to climb.  Then attach the bow (with arrows) to the haul
    line and place the bow behind the tree on the opposite side of the
    stand.  This may keep you from falling on the bow and arrows in the
    event of an unfortunate fall or slide.

    re .6
    We thought it opened on the 9th, but someone just corrected me.  Rifle 
    season for deer starts on the 16th.   (You won't have to change your 
    hunting clothes to service-awards dinner clothes.) 
    
    ;)
    Nancy

    Nancy,
    
      I believe the author of .6 lives in the state of Georgia. 
    Their season may in fact start in the 9th.
    
    -Ron-

    
       Does anyone own a "Tree Lounge" brand? If so how do you like it?

it looks like it's very comfortable, and sturdy...  a little heavy to be 
toting around every trip in an out...  with the necessary attachments for
a bowhunting platform it could run into some money...  but if your the
kind of guy who can sit for extended periods, and are in a pretty good
area with alot of deer it could help harvest a beauty!

Fra

       
      Do you have a address or phone # so I could reach the company that
    produces them?

    
      Mike,
    
    
        My uncle bought one this year, he absolutly loves the stand, the 
    only drawback is the weight, 29lbs?? I think. but he said that wearing
    it as a backpack its not too bad, but he said its the most comfortable
    tree stand he has ever been in.
    
       I think it ran him around 300.00, with the bowhunting atachment, I 
    watched the sales video tape also,  and if you havent seen it I will 
    say that the guys wife can sure do an awsome celebration dance, and
    she is one darn good shot with the bow or gun, and she shot some super
    nice bucks.
    
      I have the # at home, if I can remember to bring it in on monday I
    will post it here, and BTW there is only 1 place to get a new one and
    that is directly from them! there are no retail sellers.
    
    
                                              Lee
    

    
    Hello!
    
    Are you talking about the tree stands from a company name
    
      Advanced Hunting Equipment,INC.
      P.O. Box 1277
      Cumming,Ga 30130
    
    this address is taken from a magazine ad for a free hunting video
    about Tree-Lounge Trophies / plus tree stands and tree stand hunting
    there is a pnone # to order video you may beable to find or talk to
    someone to get their right phone #
    
    hope this helps
    
    Pappy
    

    
    
    
       Thank God it is Friday''''
    
    I forgot to put the phone #   1-800-438-1391
    
    
    Sorry
    Pappy
    

    
    Mike,
    
      The direct from factory price list as of 1-1-1992,
    
     Tree lounge system 1 A ...................................$230.00
     (this is the basic tree lounge system
      tree lounge with seat and carrying straps, foot climber
      wedge & bungee cord and hardware)
    
     system II accessory package...............................$36.50
      (includes 3 accessories)
      utility pack, pillow, gun holders
    
     system III accessory package..............................$65.00
      (includes 5 accessories)
      utility pack, pillow, gun holders, chill pad, sport saw
    
     tree lounge accessories:
      utility pack.............................................$24.95
      pillow...................................................$6.95
      gun holders..............................................$6.95
      chill pad................................................$16.50
      sport saw................................................$16.50
      bowhunting adapter.......................................$39.95
      tree kobs (pack of 4)....................................$8.00
      bowhunting adapter knobs (pack of 2).....................$4.00
      safety belt..............................................$29.95
      tree lounge wheels.......................................$69.95
      sniper shack.............................................$59.95
      tree nest................................................$39.95
      
     new products:
      steep angle pad..........................................$12.50
      extended foot climber....................................$35.00
      equipment cord (camo color 1/4" X 50')...................$5.95
      
     tree lounge replacement parts:
      wedge and bungee cord....................................$4.95
      foot climber.............................................$30.00
      carrying straps..........................................$15.00
      seat.....................................................$15.00
    
      Videos:
      hunting Moonshine Island.................................$5.00
      hunting whitetail hideaways..............................$5.00
      How to hunt from tree stands.............................$5.00
    
     ****the tree lounge is not painted
    
    send orders to :
     ADVANCED HUNTING EQUIPMENT INC.
     P.O. BOX 1277
     CUMMING,  GEORGIA  30130
    
     OFFICE HOURS
     9:00 AM - 5:00 PM
     MONDAY - FRIDAY            
     EASTERN STANDARD TIME
    
     PHONE ORDERS:
     TOLL FREE:  1-800-233-0459
     OTHER:        404-887-1171
     FAX:          404-887-1509
    
    
    
         Well this info is from the sales booklet that my uncle had them
    send to him when he was shopping for a new tree stand.
    
       and the ussual disclaimers, I have no ties to this company and all
    the other things associated with it, this is for information only.
    
                                                           Lee