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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

562.0. "Mucho deer = environmental hazard !?!" by AKOV75::ANDERSSON () Tue Nov 28 1989 08:15

    	I saw a bit on the news at 6 last evening about the deer population
    at the Quabin reservior in Massachusetts.  It's a fenced in area
    with no hunting allowed.  Seems the deer herd is so large they have
    become an invironmental hazard,i.e., they're eating/killing all
    the young growth which is supposed to hold the land together to
    keep unwanted minerals from washing into the water supply.
    	The wildlife people seem to favor some hunting but the 'tree
    huggers' are so vehemently opposed that 'sharp-shooters' may be
    hired to thin the herd. 
    
    (Another Cranes beach fiasco!)
    
    Andy
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562.1I saw it too...TARKIN::AHOSkeet addict...Tue Nov 28 1989 08:2215

	I saw the report on Channel 5. They had a short excerpt from
	Tom Berube (Mass Sportsman's Council) and from a woman from
	the MSPCA.. It was objective, but the bottom line was that
	the F & W Division was leaning toward "Sharpshooters". Gee
	I wonder where they're going to get the money with the Physcal
	Condition of Massachusetts now??

	Another question : Who are these "Sharpshooters" anyway?? How
	do I get this position ;-) ;-)   I wonder what they'd do with
	the deer that were thinned out??


						~Mike~
562.2HEFTY::CHARBONNDcennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntipedeTue Nov 28 1989 09:0710
    re .1 Who are these sharpshooters ?
    
    Wish I knew. And what makes a 'sharpshooter' more able
    to *find* the deer in the woods ? 
    
    We ought to lobby for a law to the effect that any time
    a deer population problem exists the HUNTERS will get first
    crack at it. The MSPCA needs to be set back on their asses.
    
    Dana
562.3We're paying for it -AKOV75::ANDERSSONTue Nov 28 1989 09:157
    re .2
    	<..........HUNTERS will get first crack at it.>
    
    	I agree.  It's not like they're doing us any favors.  It's our
    licenses/fees that keep the whole thing going.
    
    Andy
562.4Let Them Pay!!!CSC32::SCHIMPFTue Nov 28 1989 11:4310
    No WAY!!!
    
    Let them tree hung'n nimrods pay for it---If they care SOOOOOOOO much,
    let'm go out and transplant the heards themselves...Why don't they
    take up a better cause, like...Toxic waste?
    
    Ignorance is Bliss...Or is it a pain in the arse?
    
    
    Jeff
562.5JUPITR::BJUBINVILLETue Nov 28 1989 23:403
    I heard they might be giving out 200 or so permits and pick them
    from a basket but they are worried about a mass war in the woods and
    things might get out of hand....
562.6SA1794::TENEROWICZTWed Nov 29 1989 06:3214
    
    	I live in Western Mass and to my knowledge Quabin is not fenced
    in. There is a large deer herd. When the areas surrounding Quabin
    get hunted the herd gets larger due to hunting pressuring deer into
    the quabin. The huggers will probably win but don't worry about
    the deer. Nature will run it's course and kill most of them. If
    not this winter then the next or the next.
    	We make a annual trip up to an orchary to pick apples that is
    adjacent to Quabin. A couple of years ago I was talking to the owners
    kid and he mentioned having to dispose of carcuses (sp) each spring
    due to winter kill. He say's it happens every year.
    
    
    Tom
562.7Eagle foodXCUSME::NEWSHAMI&#039;m the NRAWed Nov 29 1989 06:437
    Re. Winter kill. The Eagle population out there also feeds very
    		     heavily on the winter kill. In the winter you
    		     can sometimes, with binoculars watch them feed
    		     out on the ice.
    
    
    	Red
562.8SPMFG1::CHARBONNDDana Charbonneau 243-2414Wed Nov 29 1989 10:2110
    re .6 The upper end of the Prescott peminsula is nominally 
    fenced, from the West Branch of the Swift northward. The 
    fence is down in many spots. (I used to hike there a lot.)

    This morning's paper mentioned a bill being introduced to 
    allow limited hunting in the Quabbin. Public hearings will
    be held. Be sure to attend and plan on debunking anti-hunting
    propaganda from MSPCA et al.
    
    Dana
562.9I remember something like this beforeISLNDS::ROBERTSmake it in MASS, Spend it in NHWed Nov 29 1989 12:4310
    
    		I remember a few years back the Florida Everglades
    	had more deer than it could handle. So hunting wasn't allowed
    	and the anti's tried to prove they could just go in and rescue
    	the critters. Well they wound up injuring them and killing
    	some by mistake, Bambi wouldn't just step in the boats. I believe
    	hunting was finally allowed.                           
    
    				
    					Gary
562.10Deer population at KSCDECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeWed Nov 29 1989 16:4925
    When I worked at Kennedy Space Center they had quite a deer population!
    If you had to come in around midnight for launch support, you were
    really vulnerable because the deer were moving all around.  If you've
    never been to KSC, or Cape Canaveral, the area is *huge* (I've since
    forgotten how many square miles but it was a half hour drive from the
    South Gate to where we worked at the VAB).  My roomate had his car hit
    twice by deer.  That's right, the deer hit him; once in each rear
    quarter panel costing him plenty.  Cars were being totalled and many
    accidents would occur by people trying to miss them.  You get the
    point.
    
    Nasa and the Air Force decided to kill off some deer.  The problem
    wasn't the antis.  The problem was that they didn't want any .30
    caliber holes in the shuttle or a Delta etc.  So they let the security
    guards hunt on weekends.  Boy, talk about venison everywhere.  If you
    knew a guard, you were in fat city.  They had smoked venison, venison
    sausage, pepperoni....you name it.  
    
    I'm not sure if it cut down on the number of collisions, but there sure 
    were a lot of happy red necks (affectionate term...no cards and letters
    please).
    
    Just thought I'd pass on a story with a happy ending.
    
    /brett
562.11 ( SHARPSHOOTERS Yea Yea )SHRFAC::BICKESFri Dec 15 1989 03:346
                                                                  
        After reading this note file on hunting, & Delibarating
         I see we all are sharpshooters & so I'll call Fish & 
          Game Dept. in Westboro & see how many Sharpshooters
           permits I can get for Quabin Res.       WIZzard
          
562.12Move em Or Lose em..LUDWIG::STEVENSSanta&#039;s Got A GunFri Dec 15 1989 05:239
    
    
    I'm a " Sharpshooter " with a machine gun... (-:
    
    
                 I think they should just relocate them...
    
    
       Jeff
562.13I'm for relocating the deerWMOIS::D_MELANSONFri Dec 15 1989 08:557
    re -1
    Yea, lets relocate them into my freezer!!!!
    
    I'm also a sharp shooter, no problem hitting the black circle at 100
    yards with my shot gun, if I  could use my 30/30 that even better.
    
    Dom