Conference vicki::boats

    
    
    	The other manufacturer using PCM Power-plus as standard
    equipment for 1989 is Supra. The Vernay exhaust is only
    available as standard equipment on the Nautique.
    
    A quiet ski boat? Hmmmmmmm.......

    
    
    	Half Price... I doubt it.. But I'm sure Ward's has 
    quite a few on the lot.. He did with the 87's last year.
    
    Rick

    
    	Haa, I've not only heard about 'em, I've SEEN 'em, I've touched
    'em too (yeah, plural 'em).  Finding myself quite close to Rochester
    N.H. on friday, I just sorta dropped in for a browse (its an addiction
    Y'know:-^).

    	They had three of them, two were going out to Forrest Marine
    in Tyngsborough (he's ordered three and they're ALL pre-sold). 
    The power plus and single muffler system is also in the Barefoot
    Nautique for '89 _IF_ it has the 351 engine, else Borg Warner Trannie
    and duals with the 454 thunder maker.  I like the idea of quieter
    ski boats, keep down the rumbles to keep down the grumbles and HP
    limits *_MIGHT_* not become such an issue in as many places so soon,
    or if they do there is *_SOME_* chance that speed limited ski boats
    could be waivered.
    The Dominique seems to have been dropped this year, at least it
    didn't appear in the glossies that I picked up.

    	Reg	{still droolin'}
    

    RE: .3
    
    Hmm, Rick... sounds like you're getting ready to trade in the '87
    for an '89!  :-)
    
    RE: .4
    
    No more Dominique?  Well I'll just have to check this out when I'm
    in Florida in Nov.  I plan yet another visit to the Correct Craft
    plant to check out the new stuff...maybe I can pop one of those
    new PCM's in my pocket on the way out the door... :-) ...but the
    exhaust dragging on the floor may give me away!
    
    					...Roger...

    
    	....and yesterday I went out to Hadley (South Hadley) where
    they had the Frost Bite tournament.  The tow boat was (of course,
    why would I mention it otherwise ?) an '89 Nautique - the *_QUIET_*
    one.  They used it for all three events, then I got my test drive,
    all courtesy of Denny's of Grafton.  Hmmmm, is it customary to get
    a free mooring cover thown in with the deal ?, how about a boom ?  

    	Reg	{still 'crastinatin.... but close}
    

    Oh boy!  You mean Denny's has an '89?  Yahoo!  I was gonna stop
    by there yesterday and see if they had one (and subsequently drool
    on the showroom floor) but I got tied up and didn't get back to
    Mass. until late.
    
    As far as what gets "thrown in" with the boat, I think you may get
    away with the mooring cover, although I distinctly remember being
    at Denny's once when I heard someone ask that very question and
    Denny himself said that the cover was extra.  As for the boom...good
    luck!  That would be nice, but I've only seen those get included
    with "used" boats (private sale).  T'would be a nice extra though...
    
    Any word on how many $$$ for the '89?  I remember the '88 that Denny
    had around this time last year had $19,500 scribbled in wax on the
    windshield.  He was eventually selling one for $18,600 sometime
    this May, $21,500-ish for a Barefoot Nautique.  FWIW, all prices
    were for boat and trailer.  I didn't ask about the mooring cover
    at the time.
    
    					...Roger...

    	The new '89s are also sporting the new graphics.  I don't think I
    want new Nautiques to get quieter.  After my '66 Skylark, I wouldn't
    want one decibel lower, *however* I certainly wouldn't complain if
    someone offered me their Nautique! :-)
    	Anyone seen the new Sport Nautiques?  The new open bow runabouts?
    They are really nice boats.  The only drawback is the molded ski
    platform in the back.  It looks like the Master Craft, and anyway, I'm
    partial to teak.  It's running with the 351 and the new exhaust.  I
    don't know much else about it, and I don't remember what it said in the
    last issue of the Correct Craft Tribune.  

    The new '90's are out!!
    
    This year the Ski Nautiques are using a fully molded fiberglass body
    which includes the ski platform.  They have added a spray "chute" which
    eliminates more spray than ever before.  They are also sporting 3 color
    graphics.  They have decided to stay with the Vernay muffler system and
    the PCM power.
    
    This year as well, the trailers come with an option to completely
    custom your trailer to perfectly match your boat, right down to the
    rims.
    
    All of the other models will follow suit with the colors and trailers. 
    No new additions have been made for this year.
    
    Steve

re     <<< Note 145.9 by BUFFER::GOLDSMITH "Good Cult seats? Let's talk $$" >>>
>                        -< The 1990 Correct Craft Line >-

>    The new '90's are out!!
    
>    This year the Ski Nautiques are using a fully molded fiberglass body
>    which includes the ski platform.  They have added a spray "chute" which

	^- no, it doesn't, and it isn't.

	It isn't a ski platform, its a swim platform - least ways, I 
can't ski on one, though I could swim from one.

	It doesn't get included in the "body" (you may mean hull), its 
teak and is detatchable.


	R	{ fbb (ask rick) }

    Re Reg:
       Haven't you ever done a flying platform start? (Although not
    recommended starting from the same boat you're skiing behind. (-;  )
    And yes the stern (non-pointy end) is moulded (contoured?) with
    the teak platform behind that.
       (I believe the Sport Nautique has the moulded platform)
    
    BTW: Who entered my name to a subbscription to the Correct Craft
    Tribune?!?  
    
    Doug.
    

    
    re: Ski platforms
    
    And you can kneeboard off of them ski platforms too, from
    behind the same boat.
    
    >>>BTW:  Who entered my name to a subscription to the CC Tribute?!
    
         Ha! That's funny, I wonder who would do a thing like that!??
    
        

re          <<< Note 145.12 by DONVAN::DECAROLIS "Punch It! Margaret!" >>>

	Interesting personal name.....   Not connected with
"Hit it! Ann! "  I assume ?

	Yes, I've seen people step off the swim platform of the boat 
they were anticipating skiing behind - impressive when it works (-:
{trick skiers can do most ANYTHING ! }

	Nobody sent  *_MY_*  name to CC's tribune circulation list, I 
have to drop by a dealer's every coupla days to see if the new edition 
is in, its real tiresome (-:

	Anyway, who wants to go for a ride/drive/ski with a new 
Nautique next week on the Merrimac ?  We won't need a cooler, right ?

	Reg	{fbb (ask Rick) }

Well, if you insist, Reg...I'll go.  Of course, this is all conditional upon my
not being in Albequerque, maybe skiing with Rob?  Details haven't been worked
out yet, but if I do get to go and I do get to ski in the warmer climate, I'll
be sure to report here and rub it in your faces!  :-)

Anyway, let's pick a day and pray for no snow!

...Roger...

BTW: Reg, about your new Nautique....you make me sick!  :-)

    
    	Ah err... gee I guess maybe I could take that thar personal
    day that I lose real soon and ski behind the fbb! yeah!
    
    	Roger... you bum! you scum! what a wimp... running away to 
    warmer climates to ski...... "Run away! Run away!"  :-)
    
    Rick

    Oh good, now I can put my boat away.
    
    Don
    

    
    Hey Don,
    
    	Better wait until Reg discovers what a pain it is to drain
    that PowerPlus at the ramp...  :-)
                  
    Rick

Well, I haven't worked out all the details yet.  I don't even know if I'll be
able to stay over the weekend.  Plus, who knows if those Albequerque dudes still
ski when it gets below 60!  :-)  Anyway, I should know by the end of this week.
I'll let ya know (and rub it in).

Oh yeah, congrats on the new machine, Reg!  It's gonna be tough getting up the
nerve to ski this week.  WX says in the 20's tomorrow, "warming up" into the
mid-30's on Wed.  Can't exactly call it balmy!

...Roger...

re: Note 145.18       ...by....     ROGER::GAUDET "Nothing unreal exists"
>               -< Must be cold, Quinsig is starting to ice up! >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It's gonna be tough getting up the nerve to ski this week.  
>    WX says in the 20's tomorrow, "warming up" into the mid-30's on Wed.  
>   Can't exactly call it balmy! ...Roger...
    
    Yous skiers are alls nuts...
    
    /MArk         (who..., a couple weeks ago thought he was going to
                                      ride the motorcycle just one last time)

    My boat is put away, but not my wetsuit.
    
    I hope Reg got the heater option and a hot water shower rig.
    
    Does not look good for a repeat of last years Pearl Harbor day outing.
    
    Don
    
    

    
    RE: .20
    >> last years Pearl Harbor day outing
    
    Wait a minute?  I thought Pearl Harbor day was back around August
    or September.  At least that's what it says in the "History of the
    World According to George Bush"!   
    
    ;^)
    
    Rick

	Well, thanx for all the congrats messages.

	I went and collected it on saturday, eyed the Merrimac behind 
MP&M as we drove up rte 4 - yeah its getting icy.  This morning I had 
some <errr, "errands"> in Worcester;  Quinsiggy looked clear, though a 
bit windy.  I could take a half day tomorrow or friday afternoon or 
thursday morning, but the rest of the week is busy.

	The ramp drain out/temporary winterize routine does look like 
a bit of a pain, the pitots have to be blown out too because of those 
brass cylinder things - I s'pose if I wanna ski I'll hafta do it (-:
How far south do I have to drive at this time of year to find  
*_MERE_*  50 degree weather ? (-: 

	Reg

1/2 inch drive
9/16 socket
flat blade screwdriver
10 inch socket bar
3/4 inch box end wrench
??

    Reg,
      Your Diesel Suburban does have great range doesn't it?  It'll hold
    how many of us??  Florida is only about an 18 hour drive. ;^)
    (There I go daydreaming again..)
    
    Back to reality...What color(s) is/are the Nautique? Lemme guess, blue
    to match the 'Burb?  What else, 351 powerplus? Any options? (Do
    Nautiques have options??)
    
    You realize all this is in the wrong note; It should be in the " '90
    Nautique news" note, or the " REG'S NEW BOAT " note.  :^)
    
    Doug.
    
    By the way, CONGRATULATIONS !    ('bout time)  ;^)  ;^)
    You and your boat want to be in a ski-show next summ..,aww never mind. 

    The rumor mill says the Merrimack River was observed to be frozen-over
    this morning. 
    
    Oh, well, I guess we can hope for the January thaw!
    
    Mike

    
    Reg....Congrads on your new toy!  And you can admit that you
    sit in your new toy while its parked inside your garage... :>)
    
    Good luck with it!
    
    Jeanne
    

	Oh, further details....

	White hull, light (f) blue main stripe, light gray (grey ?) 
second stripe and a dark blue pin stripe.

	Included in the special off season price deal was a dark
(non f) blue mooring cover.  No heater, no hot water shower, though I 
may fix something up,,,,,, depends,  but I bought a dry suit a couple
of weeks ago so I can survive in long johns, sweater and jeans, maybe 
a down parka too.  BFI boom with red cables and end cap, the CASAD has
*_YELLOW_*  cables {SHRIEK !} (-:,  (-: 

	R

	Keep your stuff in the car, we could get a call to action at 
any time.

    Reg, sounds like a nice rig. I think Doug is trying to get a field
    trip to FLA going, but doesn't want to come right out and say it :-)
    
    Once again Reg..good luck with the new rig...
    
    							-mike-

Congrats Reg, sounds like a nice rig!  How we gonna keep up with the
Burgess's?

RE: Note 145.27 
>> I think Doug is trying to get a field trip to FLA going, 

Take one diesel powered Suburban
Add six adult male passengers
Connect a new Ski Nautique to the back
Figure 1300 miles to Central Florida
Add fuel cost, 20 mpg @ $1.10 per gallon (diesel)
Add $15 for tolls
-----------------------
$14.42 per person each way to ski country  (Beer money not included)


Rick W.   8*)

Roger,
     Yes, us AlbUquerque dudes still ski at <60 degrees.  We're 
gonna take a December trip real soon, when are you coming?  As
always you are welcome, let us know.

Rob

re        <<< Note 145.28 by 7192::WILSON "A man's place is on his boat" >>>
>                       -< Break it in where it's warm! >-


> Congrats Reg, sounds like a nice rig!  How we gonna keep up with the
> Burgess's?

	To keep up just hang onto the handle end, TIGHT !

> Add six adult male passengers
		----	How could you be so DISCIMINATORY ?  (-:
		the burb, the fbb and I are also VERY partial to 
		FEMALE companionship !   {REAL females, not girly men (-:}

> Connect a new Ski Nautique to the back
> Figure 1300 miles to Central Florida
> Add fuel cost, 20 mpg @ $1.10 per gallon (diesel)
> Add $15 for tolls
-----------------------
> $14.42 per person each way to ski country  (Beer money not included)

	Hmmm, somehow I think my family would INSIST on being 
included, anyone know of a nice little lakeside cottage down there 
that we could rent for the February school break ? 

	R	{dreamin'}

    What's a(n) "{fbb}" ??
    (or should I ask Rick?)  
    DW
    

RE: Rob...looks like it may be next week (like Mon. thru Wed.) although I might
be persuaded to "hang out" till the weekend if need be (or maybe even come out
earlier this weekend).  What's the weather look like out there?  I haven't been
paying much attention to the weather channel lately (although I think I will
tonight).  Right now the group who would pay for the trip is vascillating with
the old "well, there are travel restrictions in effect, so we gotta get 85
levels of approval signatures..." but I think it'll go through.  I'll let you
know as soon as I know for sure.

RE: Reg, etc... Hmm, about 30 bucks round trip, eh?  Sounds doable to me.  Now
if only I could get my cousin to rent me his condo down in central Florida
(don't know the exact location) for a week...he only wants to rent it in 3+
month blocks.  Gonna have to slap the boy around a bit!  :-)

Incidently, Quinsiggy is only frozen at the far ends (north and south), and even
then only a few feet off shore of very thin ice.  I cruised past the Rt. 9
bridge yesterday and it's still water all the way past the north ramp and under
Rt. 290.  Dunno how my 2mm wetsuit will stand up to the 30's we're supposed to
have this week!  I've heard 3 different forecasts, and none of them predict high
temps beginning with a number greater than "3".  Ack!

...Roger...

    
    	Reg: Did they throw in the cover and the boom? or just the cover?
    Boy, it is tough to keep up with the Burgess's (or it that Burgess'?)
    He goes out and buys a 1990 Nautique (sob) complete with a boom
    and cover and maybe he'll add heaters .... :-) Tough life, huh Reg?
    
    
    	BTW: Any request for the meaning of {fbb} will be answered by mail...
    
    Rick
    
    	

re  <<< Note 145.33 by ARCHER::SUTER "Where will you be on December 8, 1989??" >>>
december 8th is this friday...  december 7th last year was your final 
gumball, I didn't make it.  You trying for a 1+ ?  every year ?

>                          -< Hard times at the lake! >-

	Hard times indeed.
    
>    	Reg: Did they throw in the cover and the boom? or just the cover?

	Just the cover, I had to buy the boom from water-skis plus in 
Spencer - just happened to be in the area at the time, Y'know how it 
is ?

>    Boy, it is tough to keep up with the Burgess's (or it that Burgess'?)

	dunno, we always had fun with the question of apostrophes and 
plural possessives (or whatever) when we were kids, never did get it 
right though.

>  BTW: Any request for the meaning of {fbb} will be answered by mail...

	I was gonna post it, but figured the mods would set it hidden, 
are clues permitted ?


	good - - its a TLA, the  "bb"  part is for  "blue boat"  the 
other letter represents Rick's adjective to describe light blue, baby
blue or powder blue.  NOT a polite term, but we gotta sense of humor 
'bout these things.

	R	{happy}
	

	The other night I was reading the book that came with it.  It
sezzzz here that it has a left hand rotation engine (the serial number
is decoded to tell me this) and a right hand rotation prop - 

	From that I concluded that the engine and prop turn in opposite 
directions (reasonable) and that the engine turns the opposite 
direction to (most) cars and trucks, which I tend to think of as right 
hand rotation since thats the way they turn (clockwise) when I look
under the hood.  (I'm one of those very unusual people who actually
looks under the hood when the engine runs, i.e. BEFORE it quits.) 

	Having mulled on that for a while it didn't make sense, how
could the engine and prop rotate in opposite directions if the engine
was left hand rotation viewed from the front and the prop was right
hand rotation viewed from the rear ?  NUTS !  I went out into the
freezing night air and gazed at the prop for a while, imagined it as a
screw with its top edge going to the right - sure enough that would
push the boat forward.  Hmmmmm, OK right hand rotation means what I
thought it did in regard to the prop, what about the engine ?  
Looking at all these belts and pulleys and stuff hanging off it and
knowing that accessories shouldn't be driven off the slack side of a
belt, I just HAFFTA believe this thing turns the same way as (most)
cars and trucks - but ... 

	Geeze, maybe these marine type mechanics describe the 
direction of ALL rotation when viewed from the rear (stern, I KNOW) 
{light bulb went on}.  Guess I shouldn't just "bump" the starter to 
verify my hypothesis, ....should I ?  .....can I ?   Oh, it has to
turn the same way as cars and trucks, they wouldn't give me a lefty
engine, would they ? 

	R

BTW, its a 14RH16 Federal nibral supercup - runs about the same RPM 
at skiing speeds with the 1.23:1 reduction gear as Ricks boat does 
with the 1:1 gear and a ??x?? prop;  dunno which way things turn in 
his boat (-:

    
    Hey Reg... Was it cold out there?
    
    	Are you sure you're reading the serial number Correctly? Mine's
    PRD-WR-R10272660 (just happened to know it :-) ) and one of those
    "R"s means right-hand rotation. The prop is a 13RH13, also right
    hand rotation....
    
    	Is this why your boat went forward in reverse??
    
    Rick

re  <<< Note 145.36 by ARCHER::SUTER "Where will you be on December 8, 1989??" >>>
>        -< when the thumb and index finger make an L.. ah forget it... >-

>    Hey Reg... Was it cold out there?

	damned right it was;  full moon too
    
>    	Are you sure you're reading the serial number Correctly? Mine's
>    PRD-WR-R10272660 (just happened to know it :-) ) and one of those
>    "R"s means right-hand rotation. The prop is a 13RH13, also right
>    hand rotation....
 
	Right (as in "right, you're right";   one of those Rs does mean 
		its right hand rotation)   I don't remember which one 
		of the Rs it is, but my serial number has an L in that
		position. 

   
	....duhhhh, viewed from the stern (blunt end) that is, i.e.
your engine turns the opposite way to most car and truck engines. 
Ever look under the hood of your truck with the engine running ?, see
what I mean ? 

>    	Is this why your boat went forward in reverse??

	Maybe so;  wonder what it'll do in reverse  (-:

	R

>    	Are you sure you're reading the serial number Correctly? Mine's
>    PRD-WR-R10272660 (just happened to know it :-) ) and one of those
>    "R"s means right-hand rotation. The prop is a 13RH13, also right
>    hand rotation....

    	Upon further investigation.... the serial number breaks down
    like so:
    
    	PRD-WR-nnnnnnnn
    	  ^  ^
    	  |  |- Prop rotation
    	  -------- Engine rotation
    
    	Rick

re  <<< Note 145.38 by ARCHER::SUTER "Where will you be on December 8, 1989??" >>>
>                              -< Specifications? >-

>>    	Are you sure you're reading the serial number Correctly? Mine's
>>    PRD-WR-R10272660 (just happened to know it :-) ) and one of those
>>    "R"s means right-hand rotation. The prop is a 13RH13, also right
>>    hand rotation....

>    	Upon further investigation.... the serial number breaks down
>    like so:
    
>    	PRD-WR-nnnnnnnn
>    	  ^  ^
>    	  |  |- Prop rotation
>    	  -------- Engine rotation
    
>    	Rick


	Close, but no cigar.  You're one place too far right on engine 
rotation and two places (one character) left on prop rotation.
Here's mine (geeze, the things we carry around in our heads) 

	PLD PR R12253640
	 ^     ^
	 |     +--Prop rotation
	 |
	 +--Engine rotation

	Anyway, I found the para at the top of page 5 of the PCM
manual, it is headed  "Directional references"  and has nothing to do
with navigation.  It sez that they are given as they appear when
viewing the boat from the stern.  It even sez the bow is the front, 
stern is the rear, port is left and starboard is right  {now I've told 
you, be sure to remember that (-:, (-: }

	Your engine DOES turn the opposite way to your truck's engine, 
right ?  {left, viewed from the rear bumper (-: }  Truck and trailer 
facing the same way, of course.


	Reg

	BTW, I got my teen-aged son onto this last night - he thinks
he knows a thing or two about truck engines, having blown three in a
year.  The way the exhaust manifolds rise from the block and all this
talk of left hand rotation has lead him to believe that the engines in
"those boats"  are  "upside down"  - -  but he's left handed anyway. 

    
    Ahuy,
    
    	So that fancy new "powerslot" transmission provides not only
    better engine angle and 1 to 1.25 reduction, but converts Left
    from the motor to Right at the prop.....
    
    Rick

    I don't know why you would use this in a single installation but
    it is true that some transmissions reverse the rotation of the engine.
    This is, for example, how some Volvo twin inboard installations
    achieve counter rotating props. Both engines are the same rotation
    but one transmission reverses the prop rotation. In the case of
    Borg Warner Velvet Drive transmissions, you can change them from
    right to left rotation without changing any parts.

re                 <<< Note 145.41 by GUEMUS::SASLOW_ST "STEVE" >>>
>                -< There are rotation reversing transmissions >-

>    I don't know why you would use this in a single installation but
>    it is true that some transmissions reverse the rotation of the engine.
					-----------------------------------
					Naw, I can't believe THAT ! (-:

	For commonality of parts, at a guess - especially in this price 
range, i.e. the closer everything is to its pick-up truck engine 
equivalent the lower the prices will be from Ford/GM.  I'd guess the 
majority of props are right hand rotation too, though this may be a
minor cost consideration.  I think almost all props (for relatively
small boats) were right hand rotation at one time, this is partly the
reason for putting the driver on the right of the boat, torque
reaction, etc. 

>    This is, for example, how some Volvo twin inboard installations
>    achieve counter rotating props. Both engines are the same rotation
>    but one transmission reverses the prop rotation. In the case of
>    Borg Warner Velvet Drive transmissions, you can change them from
>    right to left rotation without changing any parts.

	I'd believe that,  "Jack shafts",  or do marine mechanics call 
'em something different ?

	R

    
>        but one transmission reverses the prop rotation. In the case of
>    Borg Warner Velvet Drive transmissions, you can change them from
>    right to left rotation without changing any parts.
 
    Steve,
    
    	Now that you mention it, just the plate on the tailshaft of
    the Velvet-Drive needs to be positioned one way or another to
    produce Left-hand vs right-hand. But I though it was just part
    of the pump to match the engine. In other words, if the engine
    is RH set the plate one way, if the engine is LH set the plate
    the other way. It can't make a RH engine spin a LH prop correctly.
    The plate adjustment allows the reverse gear oil pump to work RH
    or LH.... sound familiar?
    
    Rick

    
    	After rereading... it's not the plate around the tailshaft
    but the one around the input shaft.....
    
    Rick

    You are right on the Velvet Drive. It doesn't reverse engine rotation
    but the same transmission can be used with a RH or LH rotation engine
    by rotating the plate as you said.
    
    It is true that SOME Volvo transmissions reverse the rotation as
    I stated earlier. To find out which transmission I guess you can
    call a Volvo dealer. I know this to be true because I just went
    through a twin repower and evaluated a lot of options before choosing. 

    		<Copied from Waterski magazine Nov/Dec 1990>

    	For 1991, Correct Craft has added a new model to its line - the
    Nautique Excel. The Nautique Excel deviates from the typical Correct
    Craft direct-drive design by featuring a vee-drive configuration. 
    With the engine tucked astern, the Nautique Excel's cockpit is spacious
    and comfortable. Versatile arena-style seating contributes to the
    recreational function of the boat.

    	A standard feature tow pylon positioned slightly forward of
    the engine compartment allows passengers seating in the stern even
    when a skier is in tow. The hinging gull-wing observer's seat lifts
    to provide unencumbered access to spacious bow storage. Additional
    storage is located in the engine compartment, beneath the padded
    sundeck.

    	For more information, contact Correct Craft at 6100 S. Orange
    Ave, Orlando, Fl 32809.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    	My Comments:

    		Sounds like a nice little boat... If you couldn't see
    *into* the boat (floating with your PFD in the lake?) you'd think
    it's a Ski Nautique. Anyone care to remind me about what a V-Drive
    is?

    Rick

A V-drive is an engine placement arrangement that allows the prop shaft to pass
through the hull at approximately the same angle as a standard inboard drive
system does, but with the engine placed at the rear of the boat.

The engine's front faces aft its rear angled down, the first shaft exits the 
back of the engine to the bow. The power is then transfered to a shaft that 
passes through the bottom of the boat to the prop at junction box located at
the intersection of where the shaft from the propeller and drive shaft meet. 
When viewed from the side the drive/prop shafts form a V as the drive shaft 
angles down toward the bow and prop shaft angles up toward the bow.

I tried to draw a picture with the character cell editor, but it doesnt work,
Chapmans would have a drawing I am sure.           

john

    As a non-skier (I tried to get up on skis once at an office outing -
    the next morning my cubicle nameplate was replaced by one reading
    "The Torpedo"), let me ask two dumb questions:
    
    1) Why do ski boats (tend to) have inboard engines?
    
    2) How come all the waterskis I see in the stores have both feet on one
    ski?   For $350 you don't even get a pair?   That looks awfully
    uncomfortable and difficult to balance.  How do you keep from falling
    over sideways?
    

    
    Jim,
    
    There is no such thing as a dumb question, maybe a dumb
    answer!   The reason skiers progress from two to one
    ski is easy, it's more of a challenge.  Most, if not
    all skiers begin on two skis, and then kick one off
    for a more *exciting* ride.  Once you progress to
    slalomn, you'll never go back to two skis.  The reason
    for the high price is due to better design/construction
    of a more advanced ski.  You don't need all that high-tech
    stuff when you're starting out.
    
    To a non-skier, a ski with double high wraps probably
    does look pretty silly.  It's amazing what the human
    body can adapt to, (muscle memory, ya know), and pretty
    soon just riding the ski isn't enough, you need to
    be skiing the ski. 
    
    As for question #1, I'll let the tournament boat owners
    answer that one!
    
    Jeanne
    
    

re                       <<< Note 145.46 by KAHALA::SUTER >>>
                     -< Ski, Barefoot, Mart, Dom... Excel >-

>    		Sounds like a nice little boat... If you couldn't see
>    *into* the boat (floating with your PFD in the lake?) you'd think
>    it's a Ski Nautique. Anyone care to remind me about what a V-Drive
>    is?

	i)	Look in your PCM manual for descriptions and pictures 
		of V-drives;  then we can discuss left and right hand 
		engine rotation again.

	ii)	Whassat about PFDs ?

	iii)	Whassat about Mart & Dom ?,  they back ?


	I heard the new "real" Nautiques have electronic ignition, all 
the good automatic timing advance/retard and knock(ping) sensing an' 
such.   

	Reg


	...and Doug brought his copy of the magazine to Littleton
yesterday so we could drool; Malibu are into  "Innovations", right ? 
(-:, (-: 

RE: .48

There are several reasons why an inboard setup is the setup of choice for ski
boats.  Some of these are IMHO:

	1) Power.  Although some of the big outboards supply adequate top-end
	   speed to ski, inboards tend to have more low-end *umph* (good
	   technical term ,eh? :-))

	2) Wake characteristics.  This is a big one for manufacturers.  They can
	   change the wake by moving the engine forward and back (tough to do
	   with an outboard) as well as play games with the hull dimensions to
	   achieve small rounded wakes at slalom speeds (34-36 mph) and jump
	   speeds (35 mph), nice sharp and tall wakes at trick speeds (15-20
	   mph), and flat non-turbulent wake tables at barefoot speeds
	   (35-45ish mph).  All these combine to qualify a boat as a "4-event
	   boat" which includes trick, slalom, jumping, and barefooting.

	3) Tracking.  With the engine mounted at the center of the boat (or
	   reasonably close to it) and with the tracking fins found on most
	   ski boats, inboards hold a straight line better when a skier is
	   pulling back and forth across the wakes.  This is important when 
	   skiing through the slalom course or when a skier begins his/her pull
	   to the ramp during jumping.

	4) Handling.  Inboards can turn much sharper than outboards and
	   typically do not cavitate.  They also tend to turn with more
	   stability than your average outboard setup (primarily due to more
	   even weight distribution).

	5) Serviceablility.  Most inboards (not all) are standard automobile
	   engines that have been "marine-ized" with spark-arrested components
	   (e.g. starter, alternator, carburetor) but are still the old familiar
	   engines.  Many replacement components can be obtained at any auto
	   parts store so you don't always get hosed by the "marina" or "dealer"
	   (not always the case, though).

	6) Noise.  With the advent of new noise suppression technology, inboards
	   tend to be quieter than outboards, both for driver/passenger as well
	   as boats/shoreline residents.  I'm sure many will argue this point.

   I second Jeanne's answer to your question about the slalom skis.  If you want
to see some folks that ski (mostly) on slalom skis, my best suggestion to you
would be to join us at one of our gumballs at Lake Mattawanakee.  I noticed that
you're in LKG2, which just happens to be about 5 minutes from the lake.  Keep
your eyes on note 580 and come on down and check it out!

...Roger...

    
    > 1) Why do ski boats (tend to) have inboard engines?


    	I'll take a crack at this one........

    	The straight inboard configuration provides 3 things
    that skiers tend to look for in a boat, since the engine
    and consequently a majority of the boat's weight is amidship.

    	Straight tracking: A tournament ski boat tracks easily
    in a straight line, which is imperative for slalom skiing.
    (Also helped by the 3 tracking fins located on the keel
    beneath the ski pylon)

    	Little or no bow rise: The bow of an inboard ski boat
    does not rise significantly upon takeoff. This provides 2
    things: A "fairly" constant wake and an easy view forward
    for the driver.

    	Last, but not least; Lots of POWER: A 250+ V8 engine and
    in my case a 13X13 prop will yank anyone out of deep water,
    whether they're on 2 skis, 1 ski or no skis! And also will
    power the boat at a constant speed even when a heavy guy like
    myself is attempting a decent slalom cut.
    	
    Re: Reg... Mart and dom.... I was just meant that everything
    in the Correct Craft line is a something "Tique"... I did forget
    the Ski Tique... sorry Rog... :-)

    Rick

    
    Roger,
    
    	You beat me to it and like yours better....! I did forget
    one comment about ski boats.... We love them! :-)
    
    	This stuff should really go in the Tournament Boat note...
    I'll consult the other mods....
    
    Rick

	Folks,

	I'm going to throw a wrench into some of your theories

>	2) Wake characteristics.  This is a big one for manufacturers.  They can
>	   change the wake by moving the engine forward and back (tough to do
>	   with an outboard) as well as play games with the hull dimensions to
>	   achieve small rounded wakes at slalom speeds (34-36 mph) and jump
>	   speeds (35 mph), nice sharp and tall wakes at trick speeds (15-20
>>	   mph), and flat non-turbulent wake tables at barefoot speeds
>	   (35-45ish mph).  All these combine to qualify a boat as a "4-event
>	   boat" which includes trick, slalom, jumping, and barefooting.

	Rog, I'll agree with ya 75% here, but I beg to differ on your
	barefoot comment.  I've only once had the occassion to ski behind
	a true barefoot boat, and there's no comparison to the wake.  The
	wake behind a 3-event boat doesn't change much when you go from
	36 to 40.  I've yet to see a 3-event boat that holds true to your
	comment about flat non-turbulent wake table.  There's typically
	a two-stage wake back there with the initial roll and then a little
	trough in the middle.  I like the wakes behind the barefoot boats
	better.  They have a nice defined curl and the table is flat.

	As far as jumping goes, in the past few years, outboards have been
	the typical choice.  In fact, the two world records were broken
	behind (MasterCraft!!) outboards.  Can anyone explain why?

	And for out of the hole pick-up, aren't outboards faster?  I
	remember reading in a WaterSki Boat Buyer's Guide that the
	Ski Centurion Barefoot Warrior had the best out of the hole
	performance of *all* the boats they tested.  It was powered
	by a Yamaha 200.

	Speaking of MasterCrafts and Yamahas, did anyone see in that
	same article in WaterSki see mention of a new MasterCraft?
	The Barefoot 200?  Do you think this is the boat that Mikey
	and Nicky were working on?

	-ric.

RE: .54

Yeah Ric, I realize that most 3-event boats don't have the nice wakes of the
"barefoot" models (though as you said, there are some that are pretty good).  I
was just trying to point out how the inboard configuration allows the mfg to
make changes easier than an outboard (i.e. move the motor before redesigning the
hull).

As far as out of the hole pickup, you're right, outboards win hands down.  But
as you well know, the no-load 0-36mph time value isn't all that relevant.  It's
the under-load (e.g. towing a skier) value that matters, especially for
barefooters.  Now I'll agree that the 200hp Yamaha on the Mastercraft or
Centurion barefoot boats has plenty of low end beef, but I think that's due to
several factors, not the least of which is that the boat is made for barefooting
(i.e. the hull characteristics are designed to complement the power and weight
characteristics of the motor).

I think outboards are used for jumping because of their small wakes at 35mph.
I'd guess that when a jumper pulls hard toward the ramp, the outboard rocks a
little (probably more than an inboard would), but that factor maybe be less
significant to jumpers than the small wake.  Also, a good driver can anticipate
the pull and compensate before the skier can notice a significant change in the
boat's track.  Let's face it, just about any outboard has a smaller wake than an
inboard (although I'm itching to see {or maybe *not* see} the wake on the '91
Mastercraft ProStar 190).

I did see the Barefoot 200 in the mags.  Don't know much about it.  Looks like a
nice machine.  Doubt I'd buy one, though.  I'm still an inboard man!

...Roger...

Someone in Florida (Sammy Duvall I think) told me that they like
the way the outboard accelerates at the ramp, as in when the skier
makes his cut.  Me thinks he said something about a quick hit and
a better pop.

Rob

    
    	Just got off the phone with Craig at NE Correct Craft...
    
    	Guess what? The Excel isn't the only CC with a V-drive
    for 1991. The Barefoot is also a V-drive! They run well into
    the 50 MPH range spinning some outragous prop like a 15X16...
    
    Rick

>                      <<< Note 145.57 by TOMCAT::SUTER >>>
>                         -< Barefoot Nautique changed >-
    
>    	Guess what? The Excel isn't the only CC with a V-drive
>    for 1991. The Barefoot is also a V-drive! They run well into
>    the 50 MPH range spinning some outragous prop like a 15X16...

	We know - we had a brochure at the last G'ball - we missed you.
I think you should buy one - soon.  Drop by Forrest Marine some time,
see what he's got in there. 

	R

Gee Reg, I musta been asleep at the last gumball when I read the section in your
brochure on the Barefoot Nautique.  I thought it was still gonna be a
mid-engine.  Interesting how they were able to maintain (improve?) the wake
characteristics of the Barefoot Nautique while movng the engine 4 or 5 feet aft.
It should be interesting to read the reviews from the skiers at the AWSA boat
tests in the spring.

...Roger...

re           <<< Note 145.59 by ROGER::GAUDET "Nothing unreal exists" >>>
>                           -< Better barefoot wake? >-

> Gee Reg, I musta been asleep at the last gumball when I read the section in your
> brochure on the Barefoot Nautique.  I thought it was still gonna be a
> mid-engine.  Interesting how they were able to maintain (improve?) the wake
>characteristics of the Barefoot Nautique while movng the engine 4 or 5 feet aft.

	Yep, thats what the brochure sez - though the swim platform 
may have confused you.   Marketing  101;    "New and improved"  beats
"tried and tested".

	Reg

	Hi,
		this weekend just passed, I looked at two Correct Craft, 
one was a Ski Tique the other was a 2001, I was told by the sales guy the 
only differences between the two boats, was the year of manafacture.

is this true?? has anyone got the specs for these boats?? and also the
Correct Craft Mustang.

any information appreciated,  many thanks Adam.

    
    Adam,
    
    	As far as my knowledge of Correct Crafts goes.... the sales
    guy should have been selling cars! While the Ski Tique and the 2001
    are both fine boats, there are differences... Size is the major
    difference.The Tique is a 17 footer (right Roger?) and the Nautique
    is a 19 foot boat. 
    
    	The Mustang and I assume the Ski Tique generally would have a
    higher top speed as they push much less hull than the Nautique
    using comparable horsepower. My last boat was a 16 foot Correct
    Craft American Skier (similar to a Mustang) with a 289 v-8 in it.
    It's top end was around 55 MPH, while my current 1987 Nautique
    will only run about 44 MPH. Even with a large difference in 
    speed I wouldn't go back since the extra 3 feet of hull makes
    the Nautique a joy to drive compared to the smaller boat.
    
    	Personally, I'm very pleased with Correct Craft products
    and would buy another. (How about a new Barefoot with a 454?)
    
    Rick

	
	Rick,
		thanks for the reply, the problem I'm having is 
		identifying the differences between the boats being 
		advertised, here are a couple of old adverts which 
		intrest me.
		
		1988 Ski Technique Chevvy 260hp,
		trailer �7,350

		1982 SKI Tique, rebuilt engine, Trailer �7200
			
		1982 Mustang, Tariler �6,900

		1982 Ski Supreme Trailer �7000

	1. Are these boats all made by  Correct Craft?
	
	2. How do the Chevvy and PCM engines compare?

	3. Is the Ski Tique and the Ski Technique the same boat?


	I will hopefully look at some more boats this weekend, and will
	let you know what I decide on ,

	Thanks Adam.

	

Adam...

I'll step in here with some comments.  Rick is correct in that the Ski Tique
and Ski Nautique are *NOT* the same boat.  I'll assume your "Ski Technique" is
really the Ski Nautique, although I kinda like the name "Technique" a bit. :-)
The Ski Tique is 16' 4-1/2" while the Nautique is listed (for '91) at 19' 6".

The first 3 boats you described are made by Correct Craft.  The '82 Ski Supreme
is made by another company, Supreme Industries, now based in Sarasota, Florida
and owned by Genmar Industries of Minneapolis, Minnesota.

The Chevy 260hp motor is the 350 c.i. block.  PCM also "marinizes" the Chevy
350, and most manufacturers will put one in your boat upon special request (and
usually additional cost).  The "standard" PCM engine is the Ford 351 (255hp).
It's usually a matter of taste as to which engine maker you go with...some
people swear by Ford, others by Chevy.

As for the prices you quoted, I don't know what the current exchange rate
between � and $ is, but assuming that the boats are in decent condition, the
prices for the "Technique" and Supreme are pretty good, but those of the Ski
Tique and Mustang look a bit high (IMHO).

Maybe I missed something, but could you explain what the subject of your last
reply (.63) meant?  Or did I just miss the joke?  :-)

...Roger...

    
    	I think there is a boat called a "Ski Technique" if I 
    remember correctly from the latest WaterSki boat buyers guide.
    If this is true, then I'd shy away from a company which has only
    been building boats for a couple of years.
    
    	Whatever boat you decide on, make sure you drive it before
    the sale.....
    
    Good Luck...
    
    Rick
    
    	

    I've also seen a "Ski Fantastique", which looked like an old
    Ski-Supreme.  Have no idea about the quality though.  (FWIW)
    
    Doug

Thanks for all the good advice (145.61 - 145.66).

After a lot of time looking at different boats I finally wnet for a 

	1983 Ski Tique 
	rebuilt PCM engine,
	trailer and cover,
	with all the gadgets ie. Twin speedo's,tach, bilge, blower,
	horn, nav lights etc.


 The boat is in good condition compared to other boats I looked at of the same age,
 the trailer needs a coat of paint but nothing major.
 
 I tested the boat on Monday,and it is being delivered today, so I may have 
 some more questions by monday morning.

 bye for now Adam.

 

    
    Adam,
    
    Let me be the first to congratulate you! Sounds like a great
    boat. I know Roger will have some comments as he has spent
    a great deal of time on his bare feet behind a boat the same
    as your new toy!
    
    Good luck with it. Let's see whens the next time I'll be 
    over-the-pond?
    
    Rick

Another congratulations.  As Rick (.-1) pointed out, I have spent many hours
being dragged around by Ski Tiques.  My uncle owns a blue '76 and my cousin owns
a red '78.  Both are in mint condition, although my cousin's gets a bit more
abuse.  :-)  I'm sure you'll love the boat.  If memory serves, the '83 is near
the end of the Ski Tique production line, is it not?  Somewhere in the '82-'84
timeframe is when CC stopped making the 16 footers.  No matter, they're pretty
indestructible.

May the waters be calm and your gas tank be full!

...Roger...

I was in Gauch Bros. last night (Shrewsbury, MA) looking for some stainless
steel hardware and, of course, I *had* to take a gander (read: gawk and drool)
at the '91 Ski Nautique they have in the showroom.  What a beauty!  Maroon with
a gray hull.  Unbelievable!  What a sexy looking machine.  Nifty new platform,
too.  It's solid, so that you don't get the exhaust fumes/bubbles slapping your
feet while standing on it.

While trying to convince the salesman put it on my Amex card [:-)], I asked him
if he had any other Correct Crafts.  He said he has an Excel and another Ski
Nautique (both '91s).  The Excel wasn't in the showroom, but he said I could
take a look at it some other day (it's in the warehouse right now, and it was
almost closing time when I showed up).

He also mentioned he has a leftover '90 Ski Nautique for $18,995 (boat, motor,
trailer, cover), and he knows of an '87 Barefoot Nautique, 60 hours, mint
condition (so he says), used locally for $15,500!

Well, that's the Correct Craft report for now.

...Roger...

    Hey CC owners,
    
    The new Nau's are awesome machines,for '92 the 285 hp motor will
    be available.But.............
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    You aught to be in '92 SUPRA COMP TS6m!!!!
    
    They impressed me so much,I sold my Nau.
    
    later,
    
    
    Kevlar Klein

    re -1
    
    There's a '91 Supra on my lake, sharp looking boat. The guy that drives
    it would rather have his '87 Nautique back. Top speed on the Supra is
    38 mph with a 351 inboard, one person. He can't even use it for footing 
    which is all he does. The boat is a joke.
    
    ~jeff 

RE: Jeff..

Nah, not an isolated case.  There are 3 Supras on my lake, all '89s.  Here's the
stories on them:

	Supra #1:  Bought by a guy who loves to ski.  Sold it a year later,
		   bought a '90 Nautique.  Said the Supra had no "balls."
	Supra #2:  Used by its owner as a joy-riding machine.  Takes the family
		   and friends out for a Sunday ride.  In the 3 years it's been
		   on the lake I've yet to see someone ski behind it ('course,
		   I'm not there full time).
	Supra #3:  Boat was used fairly heavily for skiing, mostly slalom and
		   and jumping.  We tried it one day for 'footin' ... quite the
		   dog, if you ask me.  The boat is basically dead now ... it was
		   left in the water last fall and when the water level dropped
		   they didn't bother to take it out.  The inner hull rotted, so
		   they did some work to restore it.  The engine was rebuilt
		   also.  It was out on the water this year, but I didn't see the
		   owners much.

There's a '76 Nautique on our lake, and it's just had it's second engine rebuild
after 3000 hours (first one was at 1500)!  Show me a Supra like that!  :-)

...Roger...

    
    Who makes these engines???
    
    JIm

    Re -1.
    
    good question...I can't answer it but I believe these are
    351 Fords and Chevy's...right?   And can you have
    either or installed in your brand new Mastercraft?  But
    you pay much more $$$ for Ford vs. Chevy?  Or should that
    be the other way around.
    
    Jeanne_a_Johnson_OB_owner
    
    
    

    
    I think Supra's biggest problem is their weight. If I remember
    correctly, it's not a light boat... even heavier than a Nautique.
    
    re: Engines... The "standard" engine in a Nautique is a Pleasure
    Craft marine/Ford 351. Other engines are available at possibly more
    $$$$. Other manufacturers offer other engines as standard equipment.
    I believe the Supra runs an Indmar doesn't it?
    
    Rick

    RE: .72
    YEA SUPRA MAKES A SLOW BOAT,BUT FOR '92, THE 285 WILL BE AN OPTION
    AND THAT'LL PUSH ER UP OVER 43 MPH.

    IF you have'nt received your 1993 boat buyers guide from Water Ski
    Mag., I'll be the first to tell ya about the new Standard Ski Nautique.
    
    It is all white,no additional colors are available,the interior is very
    simple and plain,no combing pads or apholstery on the motor cover,it
    comes with the old 240 1:1.,and does'nt have a rear seat.
    
    The price is $17,650!!!
    
    I am in the process of ordering one as I type. I have always wanted a
    boat that came with a motor,an excellant hull,and no bells and
    whistles.
    All I do with my boats is travel 2000 ft to the south and 2000 ft to
    the north,turn around and do it again. Why do I need/what would I want
    with the rear seat,the cup holders,the day bed converta-loungers,etc.
    
    Just give me a bare to the bone workhorse that is easy to clean and
    work on.  Correct Craft has answered my prayers.
    
    This boat received the best spray ratings,the best trick and slalom
    scores,tracked the best,and ran 45 mph with the 240 hp engine,some
    boats with the big ol'285's and the gearing ran slower on the top and
    took longer to get there. This Nau also stole the best handling time
    from the traditional winner,the Flightcraft.
    
    
    Correct Craft also came out with a classic looking mahagony decked and
    teaked floor PARAGON. Very fancy looking Nautique. Sure to be very 
    pricy too!
    
    The Standard Nautique is also slated to pull the '93 World
    Championships...
    
    
    Matt,
    
    soon to be a member of the Correct Craft family again!!

Welcome back to the CC family, Matt!  You were once lost, but now are found!  :-)

...Roger...

    
    
    	The price on the Correct Craft Nautique Paragon is 48K! Whew! 
    Real steep, but it sure is pretty with it's mahogany decks and
    gunwhales, it's teak floor, italian wood steering wheel, 10 disk
    CD changer, Kenwood stereo and it's plush leather (almost) interior!
    
    Rick

RE: .80  WOW!

No wonder it says:  "Retail on test boat:  See your dealer."

Should probably read: "...and bring your mortgage balance, property tax
assessment, and first born child, too! :-)

...Roger...

    
    	And as I drove into New England Correct Craft Saturday
    morning, I said "What the hell is that? A Mastercraft with
    Ski Nautique written on the hull?"..... Well, the 1994 boat
    that I had seen was truly a Correct Craft, but if the large
    letters pasted on the hull didn't proclaim "SKI NAUTIQUE",
    the average person sure wouldn't know it.
    
    	It's got the MC's swept-back windshield, rounded, Euro
    deck and even a rounded transom. While this look may appeal
    to the wine tasting, upwardly mobile, tastefully challenged,
    Bimmer crowd, it isn't my cup of tea.
    
    	The good news is that the 1994 Sport Nautique's Euro, yuppie
    deck now sits atop a Ski Nautique hull. It's got some rather 
    well-thoughtout storage ideas and is quite spacious.
    
    Gee, I probably couldn't have offended more groups of people
    in one note even if I tried! :-)
    
    Let's see... winter to-do list... valve cover gaskets, timing chain
    and gears, finish the upholstery.....
    
    	Rick - On the waters of the world since 1925?

>              <<< Note 145.82 by KAHALA::SUTER "Never too Hot!" >>>
>                               -< Pro Nautique? >-

    
>    	And as I drove into New England Correct Craft Saturday
>    morning, I said "What the hell is that? A Mastercraft with
>    Ski Nautique written on the hull?"..... Well, the 1994 boat
>    that I had seen was truly a Correct Craft, but if the large
>    letters pasted on the hull didn't proclaim "SKI NAUTIQUE",
>    the average person sure wouldn't know it.
    
	Yeah, I've had a  "glossy"  on 'em for a coupla weeks - kinda 
didn't mention it due to some sort of misplaced brand name loyalty (-:

>    	It's got the MC's swept-back windshield, rounded, Euro
>    deck and even a rounded transom. While this look may appeal
>    to the wine tasting, upwardly mobile, tastefully challenged,
>    Bimmer crowd, it isn't my cup of tea.

	Its, errr, kinda  "Malibu circa '89'ish"  to my eye  - -  less 
appealing than Doug's boat.

    
>    Gee, I probably couldn't have offended more groups of people
>    in one note even if I tried! :-)

	Awww, I can think of at least a dozen "groups" you could have 
included - - most of whom are gonna feel slighted 'cos you left 'em 
out (-:
    
>    Let's see... winter to-do list... valve cover gaskets, timing chain
>    and gears, finish the upholstery.....

	Me too, plus  "the leak" 
    
>    	Rick - On the waters of the world since 1925?

	You carry your age   "WELL !"


	Reg	{since about '86}

When I was at New England Correct Craft in Rochester, NH a couple of weeks
ago, they told me that by spring of 94 there would be an add on electronic
ignition for older Ski Nautiques.  FYI.

Jim

    
>    Nautique owners, what year did the no wake/no spray new
>    hull design make it's appearance?  Was it 1990?
    
	Yup, the 1990 was the first year that Nautique featured
    the smaller wake and SRPs (Spray Relief Pockets).
    
    	Oh, come on Jeanne, quite teasing me, I know that an MC 190
    will be following your truck soon, no matter what...

re               <<< Note 145.85 by KAHALA::SUTER "Never too Hot!" >>>
>                                    -< MC? >-

	Gee, Y'd think the mods could MOVE replies to the topics they're
addressed to (-:

	Reg

Since there's no topic specifcally about Correct Craft boats, I thought this was
a good place for this.

Anybody ever heard of a Correct Craft Torino?  A couple of weeks ago my neighbor
at the lake in R.I. had a guy come down to demo a boat, and it was a '69 CC
Torino.  It was a deep-V hull, dual exhaust and (get this) it had TRIM TABS
mounted on the transom!  Pretty interesting machine.  Unfortunately, the guy
must have screwed up something when putting the boat together (apparently he had
just rebuilt the motor), as it overheated (in a big way) shortly after they took
off from the dock.

...Roger...

Roger,

  I havent heard of the Turnio, but Correct Craft has made alot of hulls over 
over time, all of them pretty good, not all sucessful.

  One of my favorites is the 21 foot or so Cuddy, which was the 
boat of choice for the NH Marine Patrol for use on the big lakes and salt water
rivers.  Inboard, fast, and handled the slop really well.  

I almost bought a
Correct Craft cuddy a few years ago that came from the factory with a
GM 350 and Mercruiser outdrive.  When I checked this config. with the factory
they told me they only made it one year. ('78 if I remember right?)  These
cuddy hulls were bullet-proof!

  A guy down the street from me has a 'Martineque' (sp),  a 21 foot or so
inboard bowrider with high freeboard and a modified V (or so it looks)

  My real dream (at the time) was for a Fish Nautique, thier 25 foot offshore
cuddy fishing platform.  They were introducing it back in the early 80's when
I visited thier plant in Orlando.  Twin 351's, deep V and according to the
specs, could do 35 + knts in 3 footers with a '"absolutly dry ride" (or something
like that according to the blurb).  A beautiful boat though, but at 49K back 
then, a little steep (like it aint still steep!!).

Best part is that all of them could pull a skier...but maybe not with that
nice flat water that follows the Ski Nautique around.

Tom

Hi Tom...

   Yeah, I remember the 21' Cuddy and the Fish Nautique.  Saw the Fish Nautiques
being built when my wife and I visited the CC plant in '86 on our honeymoon.  If
I were a fishin' dude, I would have considered one.  Nice boat, and it was a
Correct Craft!  I never did ask how much they wanted for one, though.  At $49K,
I think I would have been a tire-kicker rather than a buyer.  :-}

   You may be right about the Torino being one of those "limited edition" (read:
not very successful) models.  I just found it interesting to see a V-hull,
V-drive Correct Craft which was had deck hardware similar to that of my '65 CC
Mustang.

   Interesting ending to my story ... my neighbor ended up buying my cousin's
former boat, a '64 Correct Craft American Skier.  This boat has exactly the same
hull as my Mustang, and the same engine (with the same exhaust manifolds I used
to have before mine corroded).  It's kinda funny seeing the boat back in our
cove sitting at the dock next door.

...Roger...